 Thank you very much. It's nice not to be, it's probably the first presentation in two years I haven't done in my pyjamas. It's good to see you all here. Thank you, Gabb for that and thank you Phinos and Tosha and James and everybody else because I don't think you realise quite how hard these guys work and how passionate they are in helping organisations like mine bring things to the open source world. I'm going to talk to you, so I've been asked to talk slightly today about some of our experiences in Deutsche Bank and how we go about that. On the way here, yes, I did write my speech on the way here, so you have to forgive that as well. It's been a long last week, but I was just trying to think about the first time I could remember using open-source software, because I, believe it or not, I was, I used to code, I used to be a hardcore engineer, well that's what I thought I was anyway, but I remember back in 1998 using, I think it was Log4J, just a simple library, and we were writing, we're writing a clearing system for swaps at the time in the financial services. I worked for consultants at the time, we were writing a framework and Log4J came part of that framework and I was actually working with a guy called Rod Johnson, I don't know whether you all know him, but he started Spring. So I think he stole a lot of my ideas and then went on to be a very rich man, but unfortunately I wasn't as visionary as him, so, but that was 30 years ago, sorry it was that was 33 years ago, but the next time that I contributed, I think, you know, back from an industry that I worked in, was in 2018, back because of Finos and the Plexus project, we open sourced some code from Deutsche Bank, so that was 30 years between, I remember using open source and then contributing it back in from the financial services. It just shows how far behind we were or are still potentially as an industry for contribution back into something that we use ubiquitously throughout our organisations and there's lots of stats that are coming out of the survey that Gav was talking about, but I can't think of anything that we don't use open sourcing. Everything we buy uses open sourcing, has open source licence contribution things in there. Every project that I do has open sourcing and I know that because we scan, we've got Mark in here from Deutsche Bank who is looking at cataloging our open source use throughout the organisation, so we know we use it practically everywhere. So let's go through, is this mine? So these stats up here are some of the ones from there and I looked at these and I thought what kind of message can I get from some of this, but I mean the general message I get is that as an industry we are, although we use it everywhere and I think I can safely say that from at least my organisation, you know if you project that across other ones what we see is a state of maturing, people starting to use it, policies starting to come in, people recognising, I mean Gav said in the previous one that people recognise it for innovation, for productivity and you know all of those different things but you know it's not showing an industry that doesn't understand what it's doing, doesn't show somebody that it's finished and polished and so we're all going through a journey together at the moment and I think that's about all I could take out some of those stats. So before I go into how we're going to address this, I just wanted to think about some of the things that we at Deutsche Bank use open source for, why we want to be able to contribute to open source and there are the simple things right, the bug fixes, using an open source library we've got an issue, you want to be able to, your developer within the, or organisation wants to contribute back to a bug fix, that's still something that's massively difficult even in our, we've been trying to do this for a long time just because the IP checking that you're not leaking out something that's confidential, all of these different security, trust, all of these issues have to overcome even to do the simplest things. Coding samples for people that you want to interview, publishing code out or collaborating in an open source, you know, in a way with interviewers or students and stuff like this, putting out APIs for clients to use for productivity gains, so open banking standards, validation libraries stuff like that, so how do you interact with Deutsche Bank's new payment if you can provide them code and productivity gains then that's obviously good for everyone right, we've got standards, we've got real massive business applications like we've seen legend in there, we've published out waltz it's an application that we're very proud to publish out from Deutsche Bank, these things that I suppose legend as well right, I mean contributing to these kind of huge applications or big applications, it's really difficult to contribute code but what you can do is collaborate on them, so open source isn't all about contribution and collaboration of code, it's also about collaboration of people and ideas and standards as gab set about regulatory bodies and stuff like that, so that's another reason to open source code, trust, symphony, self right, I mean you know that was open sourced why I can stand mainly because in order for banks to trust a network and the code that you're going to then you know trade across you've got to have trust and you can then evaluate that code and see it so you understand it, so all of these different reasons for open sourcing and there are probably hundreds more, shutting down the competition is always a good one, but yeah so you know there's a all these reasons that banks and industries in terms of what to do but really it comes down to bottom how can I get someone to do something quicker, faster, cheaper, more productive, all of those types of things, they're the real business drivers that we see as an organisation and you know lastly talent recruiting as an industry I think finance has seen us you know 20 years ago we had some of the best systems in the world and some of the best technologies and we spent the most money right, no one kind of really talks about going into the finance industry for tech you know is a broad thing I think you know individual products right but you know we talk about the Facebook's, all of these types of it's where the innovation goes that's what they want to be in the startup right so changing our image of something is extremely important as well so it's one of the big drivers that we do at a Deutsche Bank, yeah so as a Deutsche Bank to achieve all of these things to be able to do all of these from the small bug fixes the applications we had to change our organisation, we had to go to the board, we had to get them to understand that we could be trusted it was the right thing to do, there were business cases around that and that was a long journey and a number of very motivated people some of who were here yesterday I can't see not a Deutsche Bank anymore but drove this through and myself setting up these policies these governance in order to be able to contribute and consume open source and ultimately order me to collaborate as an industry to solve these common problems that we all solve so I just wanted to go through a little bit around here and give some of the examples that we have so the policies and procedures part of it you know putting in an organisation like I said going to the board getting the mandate and the reason we want to need to do that is because when you open source something you know it's a capital on your it's it can be something on your balance sheet so you've got to be able to write it off you've got to have the legal IP you've got to put that all of that different things in so that in place so that when you open source something the organisation understands the impact for this organisation and like I say that can be on the balance sheet itself and also how do you get the organisation to trust you security and all of those things you're not going to leak credentials out there and all of the passwords and all of those types of things so that's a big piece of work and then you've got the tooling side of it how do you understand what you're open sourcing and what you're consuming and from a licensed management and they've got a story you know and licensed management you know I can't remember I mean Mark how many licences do we have in the organisation on the open source yeah so at the moment we're going through we've got 200 licences Mark says roughly that we're having to evaluate with our legal department to understand how we're using open source and this is important and this is a true story about a bank that consumed an open source piece of software a bit like corbae use it for intercommunication you might all know it but ultimately we were asked to review it and had a funny open source it was open source had a licence agreement on it there was open source and non-financial unless you used it between different organisational organisations and so I actually advised against using it but you know someone went ahead and used it anyway ultimately I heard two years later that the organisation that owned the licence that wrote the licence had come back to this bank and demanded a huge payment because it wasn't between legal entities and every bank we have is you know every bank's got different legal entities so they used this into communication between different legal entities then it came paying a lot of money and although the code was open sourced the licence agreements were basically very clear and the bank had to pay a lot of money so it's extremely important that open source doesn't mean free and so your organisation needs to understand that and it needs to be extremely diligent on the type of deployment it uses depending on the open source licence and as you're well aware right lots of these kind of viral licences come into play so understanding that the and also the the bugs and the defects you bring into your organisation with open source understanding that and being able to scan deploy and doing all that all of these things I know it sounds scary but actually some of these things we solve right so Finness is looking at this right collaborating on licences collaborating on these types of tools waltz is an application that we open source we use that to catalogue our applications link our licences to our code base starting to look at the defects in there right so there are tools out there that we are sharing to solve these problems across the the industry to give people leg up to help going in there um and obviously communication and training and understanding that as a big part of what we do um as an organisation trying to to get that done um and obviously Finness does that um so contribution consumption over the last year as gab said right 2018 um we did plexus and this has just been a flurry of these over the years as people have done it you know the first first movers have got there right following on is easier you know you have experience if you haven't done this you have people in this room that you can talk to you can talk to myself we have the open source readiness project in finos that is there to take and hold your hand through some of these stages and to look at the things that we have done to make it work you know I was asked yesterday to come into one of the organisations and other bank and talk about this um byridian actually to talk about um who I worked with before to come and talk about how we did it in Deutsche Bank so that they could give their management um more things like that so use the you know use the uh the the talent and the experience around the room to do this because as you can see right these these are announcements that have come out and so this is good for your organisation the press you know our press office love this type of stuff so you can get a bit of kudos from your organisation for doing it as well um and then this is this is the best bit this is the fun bit isn't it this is where you collaborate and you start to solve the problems and you know I've I've been working the control functions in of my organisation for a long time and I see things like BCBS 239, GDPR all of these types of things that come through um you know we we don't solve them in a common way across the industry um and that's the the regulatory group that gab was talking about earlier you know if we could solve GDPR um or BCBS 239 and respond to regulators with a single solution from our financial from a from a finance industry say this is how we are going to respond to this regulation it would have saved us I would argue billions of dollars from it as an industry because we are not solving this individually and and also we're not allowing we're not coming up with two different solutions and then regulators go well what you haven't done this or someone else has done this right and we start to get this chain of well I better do that then and I'll I better do that and we end up with a much more complicated bifocated type of fraction type of approach to solving a problem right if we can get our heads together in a community like Finos and solve these problems and come back as gab said with fine this is how the we are going to respond this is the data we will provide you to answer your question as a single entity I think we'll be save ourselves a lot of money and time and also we've got much more capacity and intelligent people to come around the room so that's exciting um and I say these are just some of the the different type of collaborative ideas and things that we're doing and the legend is great right because that really starts to attack what I think is one of the big core problems of our industry which I've seen in every bank I've worked with is data and legend is starting to you know it's a modeling tool right we we've got modeling tools but actually what we don't have is a global community which is solving data problems together data standards regulatory submissions together in order to reduce our our single work effort which is why something like legend is so exciting to me and a little shout out from Deutsche Bank um you know we've got a few a few people in the audience are some talks we had yesterday um these are some of the things that we've done I think we're we got a couple of awards yesterday which I was very proud of um obviously I didn't know none of the work the all of the people who write their software and open source that have done the work so um waltz is an application that um looks at your organisation kind of catalogs it and we use that to solve a lot of our business problems now GDPR and all of those things because it's all about understanding your applications your data the integration the open source it uses the licenses and stuff like that we use that tool to to do that it's kind of application tax on the management we've got obviously the symphony api speeding up maven for builds by putting in caching databases symphony um plexus is an auto barn um these are different kind of tools that you can go at the cap but you know we we see more and more of these and we we get we you know we we do have a we have a open source review board that people present their ideas that we challenge that we go through that we take them through the journey and then we hold their hand ups of submission and through it to finos we have also open source stuff outside finos like banking apis the productivity tool so we have a finos and we also do some things where it doesn't make sense to do them as finos because they're very Deutsche Bank specific um oh yeah so really I just wanted to finish up where you know I see and I talk to a lot of people here about the the maturity of our industry and open source and you know it is it is coming on and you know we've got to make sure our processes understand this that it doesn't take six months of approvals for someone to submit a bug to a bit of open source code it doesn't um you know we you know we we can in we can engage with the um the talent out there through um code submissions through uh you know working with them online whilst in Deutsche Bank talking to someone who's on the internet doing coding working examples with them I mean we should be able to do that that makes sense right that's how the rest of the industry works and recruits and looks at so we we know we want to be up there and we have to break down some of these these kind of closed walls of submitting code out of our organisation and to do just the basic things and that's why it's so important to to go on this journey now because even if you're not going to out you know open source huge applications just open sourcing and being able to maintain the code that you run in your environment to fix the issues you need to do some of these challenges and that's why it's so important um yeah so I think the rest of the the things there itself but you know again for me the most exciting thing about all of this open sources being here and talking to people like you about what is the next problem we can solve together what can we take back to our management and our organisation our board say actually we've got an opportunity to save you business get your product to market quicker all of these types of things because that's that's where the real value comes into our business is when we start to have those those discussions and you know looking around and knowing the people that have been working on this and advocating this you know there is a big desire to and a big belief that that is a real thing that we need to achieve and we can achieve it and you know and Finos is I strongly believe is a is a really healthy organisation and environment for us to collaborate in and so I'd just like to say thank you again gab for driving this so strongly because without your kind of enthusiasm and boundless energy I think it would be a very different different task to drive this ball uphill so thank you very much and thank you