 Welcome to Toffy TV, we're talking about how Pedro, he's left Everton football club, he was the assistant manager, if you didn't know, to be fair I didn't really know, till about three or four weeks till then. Was he just one of a few faces? I did actually say on one of the shows I didn't know half of the staff on Everton's bench. That's a good thing though surely. Is it though? You know, I like to have some knowledge. Well, I mean it wouldn't have been very difficult to find, you could just... Anyway, yeah, he's left. He's left Everton football club. This video is sponsored by One Football, One Football that makes it easier to find all the latest scores, stats and news like who will be Everton's next assistant manager to download the One Football, I'll click the link in the description. So, yeah, he's left, where's he gone to? Ffamilicau, I think is what you say, which is a top league Portuguese side, playing the primary division in Portugal, so he's become the manager there. So he's been at Marco for a while. He's took the leap into management, which is fair enough, that's what a lot of assistant managers want to do. So, I suppose the question will be what's next to who's next, because I suppose it's hard with the manager only being in for a year. A lot of his backroom staff were quite unfamiliar to us, a lot of them would be quite unfamiliar to a lot of people in the English game because obviously we're used to or certainly have been in the past having coaches and assistant managers a bit easily identifiable, the only one really at the moment is Duncan Ferguson, which is probably why he gets a lot of grief off fans because he's the only one anyone really knows. But it is difficult, isn't it? You see all these people, that's what I'm saying about not really knowing who he was because they didn't know who he was, they didn't know what his career was, they didn't know what his credentials were. I mean, that shouldn't really matter from a fans point of view. So from that angle, it's a bit, it is a little bit disappointing, isn't it, to lose that continuity amongst the coaching ranks? Yeah, I think it's been with Marko for a number of years now and obviously we work closely together. He's a six years older than Silver so he's got that little bit more experience but I think the paths crossed when Silver was still playing and they've stuck together as part of that management team for years so that's disappointing when you've had people who've worked together and someone moves on but it happens, doesn't it? And you know what, maybe it's a good thing because for Silver, I mean, on one hand you want them just to keep the people at your source but on another hand it means that you have to, you're going to get someone in, hopefully he's going to bring someone in to challenge you and that helps your manager go up to another level as well at times and it's something that me and you spoke about with Alex Ferguson used to do which was refresh his assistant manager every few years when he was successful and now a big yegi across the park, the brain left and he had to redo his and stuff like that. So sometimes it can be a negative thing because you lose the continuity but at times you get someone in who actually challenges the manager over some of the things and I think that can help you grow as a manager. Something I believe the better partner should have done. What do you actually think the key role of an assistant manager is within that coaching setup? I think it is to challenge the manager. I think if you've got someone who just agrees with everything you say, how do you ever know if it's going wrong or how do you ever get better? If someone's just there to go, you're right, you're right. I want someone who's going to go well why are we doing that or this isn't working or have you thought about that player in that position or right what do we need to do to get and I'm not saying he didn't do this by the way I don't know but I'm just saying that sometimes a new face does do that and I think that's one of the key elements is that if you're doing something that isn't working like for those three months in last season when it wasn't going very well. I don't know, Joe Pedro might have been challenging the manager every day, I'm not sure but you'd like your assistant manager to be going well have we thought about doing this or what about doing that but he's also, I suppose he's also got to be a little bit of the buffer between the manager and two of the manager plays you on in the team. You know, maybe go to him and go like why aren't I playing, maybe they don't feel like they could say to the manager and all that. There's a lot of, there's those people in the staff and it might be Duncan Ferguson or Evan I don't know who the players will go to and say you know why aren't I getting in, why isn't the gaffer thoughts about me playing here if they're not going to have that conversation with the manager. I think that's what a lot of the assistant managers do when they're listening to a few players who are Manchester City, a lot of them are going to Al Teter rather than Pep and things like that so and I'm quite sure it's like that at other clubs as well so I think for us what I want to see because I don't know, you don't know too much about the in-awakens of it all is that it's a fella who's going to come in and challenge not only the players, it's going to challenge the manager and it also freshens things up. I know they've only been here a year so it's not like things are going to stale but I think it's always good to have a fresh pair of eyes as well, maybe on our market we're doing things and maybe give some just a few extra pointers that ups this game as well. It is an interesting one because it's hard always to put your finger on what they do when you actually break down the actual title the assistant manager is a very key role and you're right there about the buffer between the players and the manager. I suppose it depends what the manager is, Michael Silver seems like a very hands-on manager who's always seen going up to players and putting his arm around them and shaking their hands and all that. You see Pep Guard, it's funny because you mentioned them there, going over to players, we've seen them talking to Stale and after the FA Cup final and continued to coach so it can be a weird one. And also I suppose it doesn't really matter too much about the background of the assistant because you mentioned Michael Arta today at Manchester City, someone who Pep Guard they all haven't worked with before thought he was at the right time to bring him in. The same philosophy, he's probably passed, would have crossed for Spain and stuff, in Spain and stuff. Muiz went from having someone who'd been very loyal to him, had gone from Preston with him to Everton to going to Steve Ryan, who somebody just happened to know was a very good coach and would be probably a good sand on board. So I suppose they don't always have that relationship and that'll be the next thing for us won't it, it'll be the next thing bringing someone in who it looks like will be someone that the manager just thinks is a good, is good at that job rather than someone that he can trust. So the other thing about Pep Guard, the others staying on that theme is we've seen in the documentary that although he's got Arta as assistant manager, he also employs somebody to be that person who is prepared to have other opinions or tell him when he's wrong. I suppose that sometimes where you get that, some clubs in the last few years have looked at having an assistant manager. I remember when Arsenal and Wenger went in and they had Pat Rice as their assistant, somebody knew the club, someone being around the club, knew the values of it, knew the old school Arsenal, Arsenal was the new Arsenal. And I suppose there's that temptation, isn't it, to do that as well. A lot of fans are asking, you know, could, you know, the likes of Unsworth, the likes of Duncan Faggs and even Tim Kale, could he be the assistant manager, but you want, for me, if you were going to do that, I'd want someone more senior in that role. Someone who actually had been in it around football a little bit longer, if I was going to go that route. No, I mean, you know what I mean in terms of like, if you're going to have someone who's got, I'd want them to have the experience, not just someone who you say, oh, they only know the club, so bring them in as assistant manager. Once someone actually knows who to do the job, who's more than just... Oh, well, it's a specialist job, like you said before, but I think someone like Kale ideally will be good because he's not that far out, not that long out of playing as well, and sometimes that helps. But he's not done it before, so he's not likely to be considered by Marco Silva, I think. I'd love Tim Kale at Everton Football Club 100%, but I'd want him coming in and coaching with the 18s and things like that first and getting a real grip of coaching. Because he's, I know, he's just done being there in batches as well as me. He's done that and we know that Marcel Brandt. I mean, Wayne Rooney was speaking last week about, I know he mentioned United as well, but he was quite heavily focused on Everton and it was something Marcel Brandt had said. And I know some fans would react negatively to it and don't want him back in all that, but I don't see out anyway why you wouldn't want Wayne Rooney back in Everton Football Club coaching. Cade's OK ideally. Some of his choices aren't great, but in terms of football and what he's won and what he's done, he's incredible. And what he can offer. Exactly, and I want that running through the club, which is the reason why I want Kale there as well for different reasons. But at the moment, Tim Kale's not ready to be evidence assistant manager. David Undraith, I think he's doing a specific job. And I think the manager ultimately wants to choose someone, and we know, we said, from Dave Onard, be someone who was Portuguese. Yes, I mean all the talk is Lewis Bowenmorte who, funny enough, we've had a few run-ins with him in the past, which will be interesting if you've got the job. But I think we said that Portuguese would be the first thing, because you want someone, the manager wants to converse in his own language. You want to get points across in his own language. We've seen him talking in press conferences and stuff, and he speaks English fluently. But that doesn't always mean that you can get over succinctly what you want to say. I mean, sometimes I struggle getting over what I want to say in English, but you know, in your own native tongue you can have those conversations. It also helps to keep things private from other people as well, if you're speaking in, right, if people don't understand. But I think that number one is, I'm not saying that's the number one thing, but that's a box tick and thing that he would want. And number two, Bowenmorte seems to have been quietly going about getting his coaching experience, getting his badges. I think he worked with him at one of the... That's Sport and Lisbon. He was the under-19 coach while Silver was the manager, so he's been doing under-19s, he's been doing under-23s, things like that. He coached 70s, I think they were called, and he's now the assistant manager at Maccabee Heifer as well. So he's got experience in particularly doing the assistant manager job, so he ticks those boxes, he's 41 as well, I think. So he was a good age, so he made as the manager. And Bowenmorte, as a player, was a little bit of a niggly bastard. He was? He had an edge to him. He wasn't a very nice... He had an edge to him, and he wanted to win. And the qualities that I think you need, and I think I look at him as a fiery character, and now he had a run in my Duncan, and so that would be interesting, but listen, the six, seven, eight years past that, and about coaching, so it is what it is. It's a chance for him if he comes in, and it looks likely that he will. That he'll get to know Duncan personally, rather than crossing paths on a football pitch. So I want someone who demands the players to have a bit more fight about them. Our players showed that when they cried with them the last 10 weeks. They were brilliant, albeit with the exception of Fulham, and possibly Newcastle for the last half an hour in general. So you've got someone who's testing them as well. You've got the manager putting his instructions, because you've got someone who's challenging them. I think it can be a good partnership. I know we mentioned having a more senior man sometimes, but do you think having someone who's around the same ages as the manager, their energy levels will match, so that, you know, if Marcus Hill was working all the hours, and he wants the assistant manager to do that as well, you can do that. And also you're coming from around the same, obviously the same generation of football philosophy as well. Cos obviously he's going to have to look at Bowen Morty and he's going to go, what style are you used to playing? What are you used to getting out of your players? What do you coach? You know, if they're the same philosophies as what the manager wants, then obviously those things have got to fit into place. It wouldn't be so far down the line as what it is if they weren't. He's not going to go to Bowen Morty, plays direct football, knocking it into the channels. He's not going to go after him as he's going to go for someone who does the same thing. The thing as well with Lewis Bowen Morty is that what goes on in football now, he's not out to touch with. He's a few years out the game, but he's working and coaching every day. So it's not like bringing in Joe Royal, say, for argument, he's a fantastic man and a fantastic knowledge of football. But what was going on when he was a manager isn't necessarily going on now, or it's very different. So having someone who's the same age as a manager, I think you've just made a great point, the energy levels as well, it's intense the Premier League. You're seeing some managers this year have been dragged through the mill. You know, I mean, Potatino, when they won the semi-final, he was about to have a nervous breakdown. Because that's how much emotion the other philosophies across the park looks like is about to explode after time, because it's that demanding. So you need people with that energy and that enable to take on those demands as well. And you know, we're ever trying to improve and improve. This manager knows it's a big season this season because our owner, there's put money in, he'll put money in again, and he expects results. And you need someone who's going to come in and drive those players to results as well. We won't know whether it'll work until he works together, but if the manager's identified him and he's got all of those attributes as well going on, then you can only think that it'd be a good fit. Yeah, and it is. Although it's only been a year, it's something fresh. One of the things obviously under Howard Kendall was Howard Kendall brought in Colin Harvey, wasn't he? But he wasn't his original number two, was he? No, no, he promoted Colin, didn't he? Cos he's just that, Mick Heaton was there and he was in and around, and Colin came up from the, he promoted him from the reserve team, and you'd the reserve team and put him in, and then the club went to the next level. I mean, Derek Monfield, who's been in Friend of the Show, he's been in quite a few times, says it was from when Colin was promoted. Peter the Eight told us Andy Gray, the same thing. When Colin was promoted, everything went on another level. Wasn't that Howard, wasn't a fantastic manager, but you insist that manager put things across and was the buffer again and different things, and sometimes it's that. And it's that energy, and don't forget these players now. Will Bow and Morty'll be meeting all these players for the first time and having a look at them in training, what can he do, what can he do? There might be someone who's, who Marko goes, I think he, I mean, he might look at them and go, yeah, but has he got that desire or vice versa? Silver might be looking past someone and go, no, I'm not really sure about caring about, frag him and say, can Bow and Morty might be like, all right, but what about that, have you thought of doing this? You don't know because you don't know what them workings are like, but all you can trust in is that we can sing you the way we've done it. It's obviously a blow losing someone who's in the club and the players you used to now. But in some respects, you have to look at the other side and go, all right, well, it means that the players have to impress this new fella as well. You know, the likes of Sigarton again, who's had a great season, or a very good season, he's got to impress Bow and Morty again, you know. But the advantage there is that Charleston speaks Portuguese and Bernard and Gomez, hopefully, and thinks Bow and Morty can talk to that. So there's all the little key elements as well that go in there, but ultimately the proof will be in the pudding, but if the manager has identified him, well brands will be like, well, if you're happy with them, and he meets this and he meets that, we'll meet them and have a chat with them. And if their philosophy's all gone the right direction, then I expect Bow and Morty to probably become the number two. And it's a great opportunity for him to get back into the Premier League, isn't it, with his first job in coaching side at a Premier League club. Hopefully the transition will be smooth and the manager's still building up the number one person there. It's an appointment within the coaching staff. As you just mentioned, as long as it's a smooth transition, one comes in, one goes out, and everything else stays the same. I think Bow and Morty doesn't come in and it's got the same work as the manager. I'll say, and Joe Petro, because quite clearly he did, because he's gone to be a manager. So, who's to say, Bow and Morty, isn't the ones that are having silver on now, and going, you know, get a bit more out of it. We just don't know, do we, but we'll only know as the season goes on, but you know, hopefully they'll make the right decision. They've tended to do things correctly since they come in. And I can say, the appointment won't be made if Marcel Brands doesn't give it a back. It's hard to know, isn't it? It's hard to know with these things. We don't know with the manager we've been in for a year, and these people just seem to be faces in the background at the time, rather than being big personalities, which is what a lot of these people seem to be now in the background. You don't really seem to get, you know, we grew up in an era of knowing, you know, the Brian Kloss and the Peter Taylor, and people fitting together and doing different jobs now, with a lot of things going on off the field now, in terms of directors of football. They are all left to just get on with, get on with. So maybe the assistant manager's role is almost... I don't know, maybe it's taken a lot of those duties, because you know, Ferguson, Ferguson used to just be upstairs after time and let the coach in. That's why he used to go on and get a box number two. You know, that's why he used to change them all the time. Number two used to do all the training. And he was a delegate, and make sure he had his finger in all the pies at the club. That doesn't have to happen anymore, because certainly for Osmato, brands are taking care of a lot of the transfer stuff. The manager is taking care of the team, and obviously his assistants and his coaches are taking care of preparing the football team. So from that point of view, you just hope that they make the right decision and bring the right man in. And we'll wait and see what happens. The thing with Paul Morty is very experienced in the Premier League as well. Arsenal, obviously, full-on. He takes all the boxes. Young up and come and coach. He's got experience, speaks Portuguese, well, is Portuguese, speaks obviously fluent English as well. Being around the Premier League. Coaching your beer. We'll wait and see what happens. Obviously it's happening at the right time as well. So you can get all this preparation for the pre-season and all that with that. So shouldn't be, hopefully, too much of an issue bringing them in. And... Listen, they'll all be in. We're back to back in four weeks, aren't they? So we'll be in place. Ready for Kenya and other pre-season games to be announced very soon. 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