 It's time for Matt Keekab and listener Ben brings us our quick tip of the week with something he says he discovered by pure inadvertent movement or acting on muscle memory says I mistyped a number on the keypad in the phone in iOS 17 and rather than tapping the delete key I reached my thumb up and swiped left across the number I'd entered just like in calculator also a quick tip I didn't even know you could do this in calculator. Phone supports a right or left swipe on an entered number to delete one digit at a time back to the left for delete to the right. I don't know when this was added to iOS same but per YouTube videos it's been around for at least three years. iOS calculator got the ability to swipe right or left to delete as of iOS 13 in iOS 12 one could swipe only left to delete more quick tips like this plus your questions answered today on Matt Keekab 10 11 for Monday November 27th 2023. Greetings folks and welcome to Matt Keekab the show where you send me your quick tips like that one your cool stuff found your questions we try to answer your questions we share your quick tips and cool stuff found and we string it all together into an agenda that keeps everything somewhat thematically organized such that we all have the best chance of learning at least five new things every single time we get together. Responsive for this episode is green chef dot com slash MGG 250 that's where you're going to go and enter code MGG 250 to get $250 off these fantastic meal kits that will talk more in depth about a little later for now here in Durham New Hampshire I'm Dave Hamilton and here in Lee New Hampshire it's pilot Pete good to be here Dave it's good to be here pilot Pete yeah man yeah Ben's Ben's opening quick tip I like I I love that that's even possible I don't know my fingers certainly don't don't know that and I don't know that my brain ever knew it either new to me in it as we were chatting about this in our discord at Mac keek up comm slash discord where Ben shared the tip originally Ben puts out a newsletter every week that he calls Mac Mondays and he says I have coined a phrase regarding the state of being able to remember a particular gesture on a device saying that it is muscly memorable muscly memorable and you s cl y memorable I like this muscly memorable yeah there you go I know that's I this is a good it's a good term I'm still looking for the right term to describe the maneuver that we all perform when we're under the desk hanging that cable up over the back of the desk so that we can let it go climb around to the top and pull it up before it falls and I know we work hard if you close your right eye and hold the tongue out the left side of your mouth yeah just not as hard I feel like you know more than the maneuver name which by golly we need feedback at Mac keek up comm we also need a tool to facilitate that maneuver right like a hook that has like a little clip in it so you clip the cable in the in sort of the top of the hook right you know and you clip the cable in the top and then you can hook the thing around the desk and you just go around and grab it it makes that that way easier there you go but you're gonna send that to feedback at Mac keek up comm I think I mean I think feedback at Mac keek up comm is a good place to send it if if you had something to share with feedback at Mac keek up comm what would it be well I would say speaking to that maneuver you try to make if you are a person who uses messages in Mac OS on your laptop on your iMac on some of us have Mac studios some of us yeah I might be one of the some I had to buy it Pete it was it was it was a it was a must have thing when my iMac died yeah there you go yeah so if you're using Mac OS and you use messages which many of us do which is great because man you can type out a long message fast in that right right but every now and then there's there used to be a site I think the site's still there in the app is gone it's damn you auto correct but because there are some funny things there that happen in auto correct but if you notice you've typed a message and you want to edit it in Mac OS sometimes you just tap on that last message with two fingers on your trackpad or right click on your mouse and you get a little menu that comes up that says reply or edit or undo or undo send or something like that sure but you know what for me that works about 30% of the time 70% of the time I am in a total frustration I just want to edit that word before it's seen and I the other day I could not get it to edit I'm like all right I'm gonna I'm gonna take the mouse I'm gonna go up to the edit menu in messages and see and lo and behold there is the ability to click on edit last message or you could go commandy and it will automatically take you to edit last message now that does time out after you if you've sent the message I think more than 10 minutes ago yeah I'm looking at I sent you a message before we started recording today or just as we as we did in and yeah it's it's or as we met today so far more than 10 minutes ago in fact yeah almost 30 minutes ago so yeah it I don't have the option it is grayed out but command E to edit last message as I'm looking in that menu though I see that yeah we have command R to reply yeah that's the fastest reply if you're on the keyboard already just command R and boom it'll reply it'll start a reply thread to the last message and then command T to invoke the little tap back thing right for the last message right and here's the cool thing say you want to reply to two or three messages go just go up and select that and then hit command R and it will reply to two or three message not just the last yeah yeah yeah okay because I'm one of those people I can't tell you how many times I just sat there in total frustration why won't my you know my double-tap work two finger click whatever yeah it sometimes just doesn't doesn't work out what I really want them to do is adopt the Unix you know chat bot convention of up arrow automatically editing the last thing by the way that I don't believe that works in messages but it does work in things like Slack so if you have typed a message and sent the message and want to edit it hit the up arrow and it should pull that message into an editor window and let you do it I got it now I got to try this here so I'm gonna I'm gonna send you a test message sure and I hit the up arrow and nothing happened but I did hit command E and it let me edit that nice and is there an undecend in that I don't know if there is or not there I mean yes but I don't I think I to delete the message there is undecend in the in the right-click menu I don't see it in the there is not a menu option for it so you can't do it yeah there's only an undo there's undoing it's grayed out for me so that won't undo the send yeah yeah so you can't command Z it well maybe I don't think you can command Z it no you cannot no yeah all right well hey that's like that's a lot of a lot of messages tips holy cow and you know what I didn't realize so I just clicked on it and then you edit it yeah when I click on it I can see the edits that you did yes I did not realize that someone could see what you sent you know yeah be careful what you send and think you're gonna edit that's right that's right yes yeah people get to see the history there yeah that's right it's not it's not lost it is just it's good for correcting things not for redacting things right yeah well like it yeah I imagine undo send they can't see that though right I don't know let's see all right send me something and then I just I just undid that that send my guess is and it's it's gone so you can't like there's no indication that what you sent that you said test and testing again yeah no indication it was ever there it you do you see that I deleted a message in our thread I see that I deleted oh that's interesting okay so so that does essentially redacted we think if you know differently feedback at Mackie calm or join our discord at Mackie calm slash discord and comment there like porthos John did with this next suite of tips we are this came in ahead of the Thanksgiving holiday and porthos John said a few things that I always remember to check when I'm about to set out in the car for my holiday travel on my iPhone he says for all apps make sure that you have location services enabled and you have your time zone set correctly or else your navigation apps will be very subpar because they can't reroute you if you hit traffic because it doesn't know where you are yeah fair for ways or Google and this was kind of the tip that buried the lead for me and is the one that made me want to include it in the show I did not know you could do this in in in ways or Google but not Apple Maps make sure you set the reroute threshold to five minutes or greater I wish Apple Maps had this setting but what this means is that it won't bug you for a reroute until it calculates that you will save at least the threshold which in his advice is five minutes so many times he says I've routed around traffic that actually would have been faster to just sit through and Apple tells you there's a faster route available and how much time it saves but unless you have voice nav on you might not notice yeah interesting I like that I didn't I had no idea that there was a reroute threshold in in ways in Google Maps and now of course I want it in in Apple Maps he says my experience don't bother looking at the best departure advice and any navigation app they're all wrong and can't predict what holiday traffic will look like 30 minutes from now that's fair it is it is good for predicting traffic during rush hour yeah it does a nice job and I think it just pulls the all the cell phones and their lack of movement thereof yeah off the cell towers then that's how it does it which is how it does it pretty amazing it's able to pull that data in yeah well and also Apple Maps and Google Maps share that you know anonymized data with themselves right so that's how it's figuring out that yeah there's traffic here it's just yeah it's that the phones are if you've got Apple Maps running on your phone it it's you know it's talking to Apple or Google Maps is talking to Google so sure that's where that that said the last piece of advice is a mantra for my wife and I trust the nav too many times we have second guessed the nav and added 30 minutes to our trip for local things I overwrite it all the time but for long haul it's almost always best to trust the nav yeah I I believe I believe in that I've outsmarted myself several times thinking that oh I know I can I can I know better like it turns out I don't know no because because it has access to data that I can't see is is the reality yeah you're not in the eye in the sky traffic I'm not gonna go no the one thing that I will add to this is whichever navigation app you use I believe you can do this in ways it's been a little while since I've used ways but I know you can do it in both Google Maps and now in iOS 17 on the iPhone you can do it in Apple Maps download offline maps this is perhaps one of the most valuable things you can do for yourself just go in when you're on a good Wi-Fi connection probably at home you're relaxed you're on the couch you're watching a show or whatever because it's gonna take a few minutes to slip down all the data and go download maps for any places you routinely travel so certainly your home area but if you know if there's a city that you're infrequently go and download that and if you know you have any road trips coming up for certain download the offline maps for those that way if you find yourself in a you know non coverage area for your phone you've got map data if you if you start a route in coverage area and then travel through non coverage area usually the phone will have downloaded enough of the map to make it through that but if you need to start a route in the middle of a non coverage area and you haven't downloaded your maps good luck yeah you have already fallen off the edge yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so they added that in iOS 17 for iPhone so for sure download those offline maps to your iPhone and do it now like you know if you're well do it at home do it before you realize you need it for obvious reasons yeah well for what I hope are obvious reasons yeah Dave I'm noticing a theme here what's that you know I told we talked last week and I was gonna upgrade a Sonoma over the weekend and life took a hold of me and sure and so I haven't done it yet yep but get them I'll get a little concerned everybody seems to want to downgrade from Sonoma well Jeepster sure did yeah Jeepster shared a bit of a quick tip about downgrade using time machine to help you downgrade from Sonoma to Ventura he says recently I wanted to do this and learned a few things in the process although migration assistant allows you to restore from a time machine backup of a newer OS it doesn't always work smoothly and I'm a little surprised that there's no indication of the OS version on the time machine backup or a warning that you're trying to restore a newer OS to an older OS after the downgrade and time machine restored my latest backup most everything worked okay but a few things weren't working well I had to manually restore the messages database yeah which makes sense when I launched the music app it complained the database was created by a newer version of music also correct the main problem was that my iCloud Drive was read only I couldn't write anything to the drive nor open anything the workaround was to copy files from iCloud Drive to the desktop and then open the file I tried logging out of iCloud turning the drive on and off yada yada upgrading back to Sonoma fixed everything but I wanted this machine on Ventura I started looking into which time machine backup I used to restore via migration assistant since I don't use iCloud Drive that often it took me a week or so to encounter any issues then when I was trying to fix the issue for more than a week I wasn't sure which backup was the last Ventura backup I found that if I booted into recovery and selected restore from time machine it there shows the OS version of each time machine backup I couldn't do a restore here but I could note the last backup I did on Ventura before upgrading to Sonoma after doing a clean install via USB and migration assistant restore with the correct Ventura time machine backup all is now working well since this encounter I ran across several other people on Reddit that experienced the same thing most of them just wanted going to Sonoma to fix it so that's really interesting so the tip here is if you launch restore from time machine in recovery mode you get to see the OS version of each backup which you don't otherwise get to see that's interesting I never I don't know that I ever realized that yeah well I haven't had to restore for a long time but that that is interesting but that won't that won't change the operating system though if you just try to if you no no no because the system volume and the data volume are you know near the two shall meet anymore but but at least you know where you're coming from is the date and time yeah yeah because as Jeepster points out you know and I did it here too I I I did it like an over-the-top downgrade which was a trick to even get done when I went from I think I went from Ventura to Monterey when I did it over the summer but it it I was able to get it to do it but all of the Apple apps had problems in one way or another third-party apps were mostly fine but all of this sort of interesting well think about it yeah I was already running the latest versions the versions of the third-party apps that I use with Ventura and Sonoma and Monterey are all the same right for the most part yeah but the version that the versions of the apps that come inside Mac OS all change with your operating system it's not just the you know the operating system that's there you get mail and photos and music and iCloud drive you know and those kinds of things and those were the apps that did not work for me when I downgraded because that I was now running an older version of the app and it looks at the data store and says I don't like that's from a newer version of me I have broken the space time continuum right not allowed yeah how did you do this and I'm not gonna let you go any farther is it and smartly like an old version of photos trying to work with you know the newer database format could potentially be a disaster if it could even use it so so there you go yeah yeah yeah so interesting but heat I wanted before we move on to questions and all that I want to dig into this a little bit why are you hesitant now to update to Sonoma I and I will say he wants to go back that's fair that's fair I mean I'm sure didn't say why but no yeah and in fairness but the main thing was gonna be the mail issue and it's an issue scripting so we've got to figure out how to do that together because you and I obviously answer some of the same email we answer the same email account and the other guy needs to know what's been answered what hasn't been answered and see what the answer is so that I can come in and correct Dave when he makes a mistake you know what Pete's here for it is I mean it really like I know we have this joke and it's it's fun and we will continue to have it but it is true like we catch each other with things that we omit or completely get wrong and just simply have a different perspective on that because I've done something you've never seen or vice versa and it's like oh okay so yeah and I'm looking forward to having Adam in the mix for all those same reasons like it you know he's got a different yet a third perspective I gotta be frank I'm really not looking forward to that because you guys are gonna go all right we gotta get rid of this idiot oh well just be Pete then don't be frank just be Pete here you go all right hey look you know I told you recently about how we had our kitchen renovated right well Lisa and I finally cooked in it for the first time and thanks to our sponsor Green Chef it was an amazing delicious and unforgettable experience we tried this Italian herb shrimp and pesto kale 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suffered from heart a heart murmur that led to congestive heart failure needless to say we're devastated I have on my iPhone over 400 videos that range from a few seconds to a few minutes and i'm looking for an easy way to join them in date they were taken or the chronologically they they are both taken vertically and horizontally they are all in the .mov format and previously for combining one or two I have used quick time I open the first then drag whatever I wanted in next and then export it but having over 400 is quite daunting so I don't want to use iMovie because whenever I've exported it there it puts a black border around it and sometimes makes it smaller do you have any excuse me do you have any suggestions thank you in advance and here's a clip of our Zoe signed Phil thanks for this Phil and I'm sorry you lost Zoe that that's never a it is losing a family member it yeah yeah um yeah yeah it sucks it's it's one of the it's one of the things with pet ownership that you uh you sort of accept going in and it doesn't mean it makes it easier but but but as a lifelong pet owner I will remain a lifelong pet owner even though I know that I'm going into this but I feel for you Phil as for itching clips together I too would have started with iMovie it you know that there are lots of different ways and you could try it on your phone as opposed to your Mac and see if that perhaps does it any better I don't know like you know you got to you have to try it and and see but I hadn't even thought about doing it on the phone I would the other thing I was wondering is when you share something in iMovie I think you have the choice as to what resolution you do it in yeah if you chose the highest it would but but I have seen iMovie kind of you know bungle things a little bit and so I get what what you're saying Phil the the the next app that I would try and and I would suggest I suggest this not I would suggest this I do suggest this largely because it's free yeah exactly is uh is DaVinci Resolve it this is a professional video editing package sweet much like Final Cut right like Final Cut Pro it is you know on par with that they offer their their whole model is a freemium plan and you can download it and use it for free there's no watermarks there's no any of that there are some very slight limitations to the software that by and large would not affect those of us doing these kinds of things with it and then if you want to remove those limitations for like you know teams and some some of the more professional level features you pay 300 bucks 295 really uh and this is their whole model right they want people to start using it for their personal projects and then those you know the small percentage of of us that actually learn how to do this in a real way and go get jobs to do this well then if you get a job and to do this you already know how to do it in DaVinci Resolve you're just going to pay the 300 bucks and so that's their model and uh and I I you know this is from the folks at Black Magic so you know them from lots of other things that we've talked about like the Black Magic speed test and I think we we even have a Black Magic app and cool stuff found a little bit later but that that would be the place where I would go I've used it for some small projects here and it's absolutely fantastic it is far more feature rich and therefore complex then iMovie but it allows you to be very very flexible with with everything and it's still fairly easy to use like I you know the first time I is it intuitive yeah yeah I I think so I mean like any of these apps you have to you have to spend a little time learning how it wants you to work with it it's it's not you know iMovie is limited but the you know the on ramp is pretty short with iMovie with DaVinci Resolve the on ramp's a little longer okay but but the fact that you've already done something in iMovie will give you a a framework with which to understand what DaVinci Resolve is doing uh let me offer this hint as well yeah yeah I could be wrong I don't know I'm just guessing here but I imagine there are some YouTube videos with that are tutorials on how to use it and I uh for instance in iMovie I needed to help my son with a project last year and we wanted to put a circle around a vehicle that was traveling down a track okay have it track it and I yeah yeah and saw what you can do that in iMovie and fairly simple process it wasn't that hard I was like wow okay yeah and uh and then my other suggestion would be you know ask ask Bard ask Bing ask JetGPT hey absolutely what's what's the way to accomplish this but I I think it was a little more powerful than most people give it credit for you can do some inlay since yeah it's fair yeah and and worth asking you know one of the AI chat models how to remove that border that you don't like in iMovie I used I used JetGPT earlier this week I have been using QuickBooks for literally for decades I trained on it for a long time and there was a report that I wanted to do in QuickBooks that I have never been able to pull up in the way that I wanted to pull it up and I was frustrated I'm like I know that like I know this data is there all I wanted to see was over time how much money each customer has paid the business like how much have we received from each customer you know I want to see what we receive by year by customer that's it this is a like this is data that I have and I asked QuickBooks how to do it and it told me how to do it as long as you were using QuickBooks I asked GPT how to do it okay all right just just see why we're here with each other yep I would never have known that I misspoke until everybody else told me so thank you but yeah I asked chat GPT and it was like well here's how you do it I was like ah no but that's only if I use QuickBooks is invoicing which I didn't use for the first couple of years of this particular business and so I was like all right no I just like based on deposits how do I do it it was like oh do it this way it was like I had no idea that I could that it was this flexible probably was really simple too it was super simple it was it I spent a fraction of the time probably if I were to have been able to even do this on my own you know with traditional methods which would include like Google searching about how to do this and finding other people that might have asked a similar question and you know trying to approximate my way there you know if if that would have taken me two hours which I really think it would have you know chat GPT got me there in five minutes nice and that was including a detour into the the thing that only showed me a subset of my data so that's not what I want yeah yeah it's not what I want wrong wrong yeah no it apologizes and goes okay yeah do it this way yeah yeah so I've got a question then and at the risk of it being political and if it is to say hey stop we're not going to cover that go on sure what happened with open ai this week I grazed across in front of my eyes on a financial network and I was like okay but I don't have time to watch yeah I think this is company politics not but but maybe maybe partisan politics too I that part I don't know but uh they um the board ousted sam altman the you know the the CEO correct and then and we're recording this on on wednesday the 22nd by the way so by the time this show comes out this news is going to be old guaranteed yeah wicked old as we say north of massachusetts here yeah uh so they they ousted him they installed a new CEO on board other people left along with him including some of the the higher ups I don't know all the names uh then a couple days there were there was rumors that there were in talks to bring him back because employees were revolting and this that and the other thing not employees were acting in a revolting way they were they say they understood they said we're out yeah we're gonna leave to yeah you got nothing and uh and then satya nadella microsoft announced that they had brought sam and and his team into microsoft to work on this stuff now remember microsoft is a major investor in uh open ai so that was that so there's all sorts of you know corporate politics happening there too and then hours single digit hours before we recorded this show it was announced that he was back at sam alton's back as the CEO of open ai so it's like dude so this will definitely the last five minutes i'm sorry because the news has changed five times since you uh are are hearing this we don't normally record this early but with thanksgiving and all that we figured we give ourselves a weekend off yeah so all right sorry for that little rabbit hole that's okay wondering if you could chat about that because i i just didn't know and i knew something that big had gone on but i didn't know what it was yeah it's crazy yeah so he's back so it's uh boy boy if this phrase were ever more apt meet the new boss same as the old boss won't get fooled again uh yeah so we will see yeah but i get the tech all worked through all of this so it's like it's fine i it's gonna be okay uh listener john asks i noticed syrie does not announce calls nor texts when i have my earbuds in anymore the setting in syrie preferences is set to headphones and car she seems to work in the car just fine it used to work when i was listening to overcast and a text message would come in it would pause the podcast and she would read me the text now she does not any notions on how to nudge that lovely lady into doing her duty and reading me my text messages i've rebooted my phone checked and unchecked the settings do you think signing out of iCloud and back in would nudge her pete any thoughts on this yeah so i did have some thoughts on this and uh and i didn't mean to insult your intelligence john um when i replied so hopefully this goes out to other people that are having problems but i i think i would have had more of a problem had i not gone into answering this question so i just got the new 15 pro max yeah loving that camera man let me tell you what yeah that's a great i took a picture uh of the where the heel meets the soul of the boot of italy at night and it's just gorgeous i mean it's it looks like it's dusk this is from the plane this is from the airplane yeah of course i mean you could see you know across those many hundreds of miles at night it's beautiful i like wow that's awesome so but i digress so i said i noticed that syrie doesn't announce calls or texts when i have my earbuds in anymore and the setting in preferences is set to headphones and car and seems to work in the car though so okay i used to work when i was listening to overcast and the texts would come through it would announce it and say you know she'd read me the text and now she doesn't so um but so i you know i had the same thing but yeah what i did is i went through there and uh i said uh i believe there are two places you need to have an able to make this more one is for calls and the other's for text and other uh and it says you know other apps and notifications apps notifications so the first thing is to ensure announce notifications is toggle on mine was off in the picture that i sent him uh and i'm really i said i'm not trying to insult your intelligence uh is your announced calls set to headphones and car which he said it was and it goes i'm assuming yes because there is no car only option and if you look down in the screenshot that i you can you can have it announce calls always headphones and car or headphones only or never those are your three options but interestingly you don't have car only and no headphones which is which is what's happening yeah no i i think he said that that he's got it headphones and car i i like the idea of signing out and back in yeah i said i turn off i i turn off announced call i turn calls off and say never then reboot the phone yeah turn it on and select it again yeah it's yeah it's text messages that that uh that he's having the problem with right because calls are still coming through i think so that's what he's saying yeah yeah so uh and but i told him try that he says uh he says yeah it's turned on and i am a mech geek and and i'll try to turn it off in the reboot idea thanks and then i told wrote him back again i said you know i was about midnight when i answered him the first time i said i realized i forgot to mention also the logging out and logging back into your apple id after about 15 minutes might also nudge uh the s lady into compliance with the settings there's nothing more frustrating than you have a setting clearly marked and turned on and it's not working uh but in this case i guess it my suspicion was that there's there's two places basically in settings this cloud there might there might be a third p there may be i mean i know i mean i think deeply complex that's foreshadowing i think i might have found the third so yeah i went into the settings app on iphone and in the notifications section i went down to messages there's some new things here that i've not seen before uh of course you can allow notifications globally or not so with them enabled you have uh critical alerts and time sensitive notifications which can always be delivered immediately no matter what even if you're in a focus mode or things like that where this gets interesting though is more towards the bottom where there is a section for announce which probably where we are uh announce notifications if you don't have it on then maybe it won't announce any of these if you turn it on you get two options you get to announce only time sensitive and direct messages or you get all notifications so i would play with those settings because it's possible you have the announced turned off in messages you'd still get a notification in notification center that the announce of it would not happen and these this is new i don't know if it's new in iowa 17 i haven't been here in a while but um and i think if you turn them on you're gonna turn them off quickly you're gonna get notified to death i could be wrong i mean i know i would i mean yeah yeah it depends on right it yeah it depends but but that might be the uh but that i mean that seems to be what john's looking for and so to to add that in like that's that's where i'm currently in a chat group at work that's pushing 800 members and so we're getting 400 messages a day in whatsapp so that's gotta i had to turn those notifications i was gonna say you can mute by group in whatsapp band and messages so yeah yeah one thing about that and i've noticed i noticed this happened to me i mentioned it on the show when it did i've also noticed it um my my daughter had the same problem and i was able to solve it for her because i knew right away when it happened she texted me and she said uh i'm no longer getting notifications from my fiance when when he texts me and it was like okay i think i know what's happening like is he in blocked well kind of is he pinned in your you know you can pin up to nine either people or group chats in uh in i message is he one of your pen and she said of course like great here's the problem with a pinned chat you don't get all of the icon based status symbols for a given chat because if you go into messages and uh you know tell it to mute a particular chat you will then see a little you know great out bell with a slash through it next to that chat to give you a visual indication that you've chosen to mute these when someone is in a pinned message at the top there is no visual indication that you have muted them and sometimes you can accidentally mute people like i had done with my daughter and like she had done with her fiance and so i said i know the answer and told her you know go into the thing and and once they're there you know once you're in there you have to tap on their name at the top and then you can see if the hide alerts option is you know is is turned on and turn it off and in both cases you know it was that was the issue so be aware of that too if you ever run into it so yep all right another one i i i sent a guy a message yesterday and it went through it delivered blue bubble delivered then like he didn't respond and that's you know like okay he may have been out somewhere or whatever gave him many hours then i wrote him again last night and it's like yeah blocking is active i'm like oh i took my wife's phone and i texted him like dude did i take you off yeah yeah yeah yeah he's like no wait what is this you know he's like is this you did you just and he texted me on my phone did you just message me from your wife's phone yeah yeah i didn't block you well okay he goes he goes i didn't get the message wow but but it said blocking is active but after that after he texted me we were able to go back and forth any thoughts on that i that's just weird that is weird i mean yeah you know we we have to take him at face value that he he did not block you and then unblock you but you know like i often do with you uh obviously i have to blame you Dave i mean i'd block me i block myself sometimes oh i like it you know just yeah damn he's annoying yeah yeah yeah yeah um yeah yeah i that part doesn't make sense to me but okay you know who knows you know it was a server thing you get a strange bit in there somewhere somehow yeah exactly now and then exactly weird things happen uh before we leave the announcing of messages eric uh in our live chat while we're recording this reminds us that there is also a control center toggle for air pod to announce notifications and that would be another place to uh check for john who's having trouble getting those notifications in so thank you for that eric thanks for the question john yeah that let us down a fun little tangential path which which is what we love to do here this is why we love doing this show all right you want to take us to uh steve p steve yeah i'm sorry i wasn't fast around the draw there it is free disk space he says hi guys i have a puzzle for you uh oh or as the brits call it a real poser really that's what they call a puzzle a poser yeah because we question the camp is difficult to answer no i understand yeah yeah yeah because we have like poser means something very different here this is true yeah interesting the things we learn you know we uh it's a two country separated by a common language and we get to learn because of it indeed it is there you go he says look at the three screenshots below all right everybody stop stop i'll explain the screenshots when we get there yeah yeah yeah yeah taken from i-stat menus system information and get info of my primary ssd capacity in my effort to determine exactly how much hard drive space i have remaining on my 512 gigabyte internal ssd i just can't seem to get an accurate answer system info shows 157 gigabytes free i-stat menu shows a whopping 351 gigabytes free and right clicking the desktop icon to get info windows it shows 327 gigabytes used but 350 gigabytes free man you're making hard drive space there steve good for you he goes how is that possible on a 512 gig yeah because 327 and 350 is definitely more than 512 yeah we don't do public math here well we we know that but but we know that yeah exactly yeah three and three is six and we're done that's right yeah yeah all right any thoughts where would you recommend i go for the most accurate representation of my used and free uh space thanks guys steve um and all right we'll take it from here i don't i don't want to go yeah i don't want to go tangential yeah but i i will say my opinion first off before you even answer this steve is system info is going to be the limiting factor well because that's well okay go you go go man go you i i you're correct in that that is how much actual free space is there right no that i i believe that that is an accurate number okay but we can't stop there because i think what you're seeing from uh um i-stat menus and the get info window is more informative for you where it says there's 351 gigs free the 157 is correct i believe yeah but the 351 is the number that actually matters to you and the reason is snapshots your mac as part of time machine backups perhaps carbon copy cloner backups perhaps other things system updates etc is uh likely making snapshots on a regular basis and those snapshots can take up significant amounts of space but they are also purgeable and so while you have snapshots that you know amount to what about 193 um you know gigabytes there if i'm doing public math correctly uh they if you if you were to need that space mac os would purge them starting with the oldest one most likely and and free up that space for you to use so the 157 shows you the amount of free space that's truly free after all your snapshots are include you know include it with with the snapshots being included in the used space the 350 would not include the snapshots in the used space it is technically used but it can be purged if you need to use that storage so what what you're seeing from i-stat and and the get info window is correct now the get info windows likely also correct with the 327 because that's going to give you you know if you've got 512 minus 327 that gets you to about 185 so you know it's it's close it the the snapshots are always kind of moving things around there's other purgeable space that happens on apfs volume so it's never quite gonna be you're never quite gonna get exactly there but i guarantee you uh in most cases the space is going to be used by most of the space is going to be used by snapshots you can go see this and macOS now will show you it used to be the only way to see it was in carbon copycloner but now you get to see it macOS go launch disk utility click on the name of your drive in the left column and then wait at the at the bottom of the detail pane for that you will see apfs snapshots on name of drive it will take a little bit for that list to populate and then it will take even longer for that list to start showing you sizes once it does you can actually sort the list by size or date created or however you want and you could start if you needed to you know free up space quickly you could delete some of the larger snapshots to get rid of those and free up that that actual space but the system will do this for you so you don't really have to worry about it as much okay i'm sorry so so in disk utility you click on the name of the drive yeah and then wait you know once you've clicked on the name of the drive on the right you know the right hand pane of that that shows you the details of the drive that you've clicked on it's going to show you the name and the you know the mount point and the capacity and the format type and all that but at the bottom of that window it should say apfs snapshots on drive name it's certainly on your system drive yeah and and like i said that window will be empty at first then it will fill with all of your snapshots and then it will start populating one by one the amount of storage each one of them is using that's where that mystery is generally solved and it's when we first got apfs disk utility didn't have any of this so it was really difficult to even even if you had a hunch that this is what it was it's like well how do i prove it well good question you know so yeah yeah now at least you get to prove it uh you think clean my mac would do any of that as well would that help it might yeah clean my mac might might show you some of that too yeah for sure yeah yeah i'm just interested looking at mine i got a one terabyte it says i got 250 available and i got 253 and i'm like yeah i got a lot more than that available because if i looked at the bottom finder says i got 570 available yeah so you have so that's what's going on you have a couple hundred gigs of of snapshots which is totally normal right totally normal these days yeah okay yep yep shall we go to larry yeah but there's nothing totally normal about me and and you know that so i do i do know that i was just being nice kind to each other we do like each other much as we rib each other yes yeah all right larry writes in and says hi guys i just need an app to vnc into my windows computer at home from my n1 m1 macbook pro when i'm out of my home office i need to control the windows computer to get into our inventory system it remotes into the inventory once i tell it to just need an easy app to access my windows computer from my mac any help would be appreciated maybe a link on how to do it i couldn't find anything searching podcast notes yeah so you know vnc is very easy to do from a mac apples built-in screen sharing supports vnc and it's a little i say it's easy it's it's easy like everything if you know but if you don't know then we'll we'll teach you and that's that's why we're here in the finder you go to the go menu you choose connect to server and then you type in vnc colon slash slash and either the ip address or network name of the computer you want to control assuming the computer is running a vnc server which it sounds like your windows uh is at max or running a vnc server if you turn on screen sharing or remote management then it will ask you for your credentials and let you log in presumably however vnc is really only built to work on local networks and you said you want to connect remotely so you have to get there virtually uh and there's a well there's a variety of ways to do it you could what go ahead p what's the easiest tail scale you could tail scale yep if you're if your company would let you oh there you go a tail scale thing no that's it that i'm glad you said that you're right tail scale any kind of vpn that would get you into your local network at work your remote network in that way would would be the step and then from there you would invoke that that you know go finder go connect to server type it in just like you were local just seems to me that tail scale ignores firewalls and all kinds of stuff tail scale yeah it knows how to traverse all of those things yeah so no you're totally right yeah tail scale is what i certainly what i would use but i i don't i don't have to deal with a corporate overlord that tells me what tech i can and can't install on on devices right but tail scale would absolutely work a vpn into your corporate network would likely also work if your company has that already set up a lot of companies that sort of mandate this kind of thing do so that would be another way to do it uh the the last way of doing it and this doesn't does require installing some software on your windows computer is to use a piece of software called screens connect screens is an app for the mac and your iphone and your ipad to vnc from those devices to connect to other computers from those devices and this is my favorite to use on iphone because there is no built-in vnc client you have to use a third party and screens is awesome it's just so good it works great on ipad too and obviously works on the mac as well um screens connect is the cool part that allows you to do this remotely without having to think about ip addresses and vpns and tail scale or any of that if you know it is a purpose built thing you would install this on your windows computer you install screens connect on your windows computer and they do have a windows version and then you log into your screens connect account you then on your mac log screens into your screens connect account and it will appear uh you know your windows machine will just appear there because it knows about it and it will allow you to connect so that that would be probably if you're doing this on on the regular that would be a a straightforward way of just getting it done so um so we'll put links in the show notes to screens connect and is that freeware or is there a subscription because there's like go to go to my pc was one that was a commercial one years ago yeah i think screens connect is a free utility uh screens connect is a free utility complimentary to screens for ios or mac that makes sure correct windows pc reachable from anywhere in the world but you will pay for screens for ios or for macOS so that that's the the different screens for macOS software but then it works but then it works yeah you pay you pay 30 bucks for screens for mac and uh i'm looking to see what they're going to charge us no wrong one i was looking to see what it costs currently well where you're looking for that uh and dave's gonna put 20 bucks 1999 uh on on iphone yep 20 whole dollars okay yeah i know it's great like no it like it screen i've been using screens for years it it is i i love it so i'd never heard of it i'm glad you said that that's cool yeah yeah yeah and dave's putting the link in the show notes but it's edovia.com yep edovia yeah absolutely where are we on time yeah all right let's um let's i want to do some cool stuff found because i think that uh there's some there's some fun things to follow up on that we that we haven't followed up on the first thing or rather the next thing that i want to do oh i'm sorry i'm sorry before you go for you because we have it we have it on the agenda but it's it's print the seat out and all that but i have an answer to complications increased battle battery usage my friend who has an apple watch his battery was dying half day in the latest update he said solved it correct so if you've got the apple watch battery and down and and and it was the weather app complications i think we talked about it before no we didn't we talked about it in in pre-show i'm glad you brought this up um yeah listener steven did some testing you're right that i think it's 10.1.1 for for watch os solves these sort of mysterious you know battery drain during the day issues with apple watch listener steven did some digging and figured out that it was weather complications on the home you know on your on your watch screen that we're causing it maybe we did talk about it i don't think we did i think we were waiting we were waiting to hear from steven at the results of his test and he said in fact that you know it watch os 10.1.1 does solve that specific thing with the weather complications he was able to make the problem go away by turning off all his complications and then he added them back one by one it was a great little troubleshooting nice yeah my friend brian said the same thing he said i'd go half a day and it just wouldn't work yeah left it at home updated it and it's gone away so that's great that's great yeah all right sorry for the interruption brief interruption we're back to the show agenda folks we are back to the show no it's totally fine i i just wanted to take a minute and thank all of the folks who who i'm i'm pulling things up here you want me to dox them no i don't want you to dox anybody please all right i want to thank everybody who has contributed to our macicab premium in the last couple of weeks this 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percentage gets huge with with a small contribution so that that's why we that's why we have that $10 minimum and you can learn all about that at mackeykev.com slash premium and now we get to do some cool stuff found back in show uh 1009 i believe it was we were talking about mapping your home for use with net spot to see then you know where your wi-fi um dead zones were and all of that good stuff and we asked you for your um um thoughts and how did they respond and boy did you respond so ian starts us off he says uh an option for two options for mapping your house layout one would be wi-fi man from ubiquity and then the other is polycam for room scans that creates 3d models with texture overlay so we put uh both of those links in the show notes for you uh elliot uh said uh so this was show 1008 sorry not 1009 i had i had that wrong uh elliot says i've used room scan pro lidar for room mapping on my iphone for years it uses the lidar function of your phone to do its measurements very efficient dead simple operation accurate in fact uh i've used it to generate the maps that i use for wi-fi mapping of my house with net spot this is the pro version which has a price i don't know what that price is off the top of my head but i am looking here it offers in-app purchases so i don't know if i can pull that up easily while i'm here in-app purchases yes the pro version is 10 bucks so that gets you the lidar subscription so there you go all right and then uh oh and if i was smart enough to look i'd already put that in the show notes for for myself yeah i outsmarted myself p you know it's how it goes it's um it's it's what we do here it's what we do this is why we take notes lock ourselves we outsmart ourselves yeah um self-inflicted stupidity wounds yeah yeah robert uh at who goes by do it for me uh because i think his company's name is do it for me solutions says that uh he uses magic plan for mapping his house to use with net spot so uh my guess is it's not just his house that he uses that with it's probably clients homes as well and then uh just as we were getting ready to record the show we got a note from case who says i've used the scan to cad service from canvas dot i o on a new two floor house and it produced a fairly accurate layout where the top and bottom floors were collect correctly aligned that's important for wi-fi stuff since they shared an interior staircase that was captured in my interior walk through oh he says i purchased the 3d plan option i believe the service involves some human involvement on the back end since it takes a couple of days to turn around window sizes and placement seems correct to within an eighth of an inch or less i don't think i had to provide actual measurements of parts of the scanned area for extra accuracy but that is an option to increase it the 3d sketchup plan had the various features organized into layers that can be selectively hidden which helps when trying just to isolate the interior walls for a 2d floor plan and not include the ceiling fixtures wow interesting huh this is cool all right so i can imagine if you're getting ready to do a any kind of a remod or anything as well that will help you determine what your load bearing walls yeah you know where you're likely to have plumbing and wiring and i i really wish that i had done this before we did all our kitchen and bathroom remodels it would have made i mean it when you order the cabinets and that sort of thing they require you to have professional measurements for obvious reasons before they start making your cabinets because it's about two feet they don't yeah they don't want to be on the hook for that well it's about we worked we worked with two different uh home like we went to we went to we actually when i say we worked with two different we worked with like 10 different places but we started with the ones that were like you know custom cabinets from this you know boutique company or whatever and we had given them a budget of like everything for two bathrooms and a kitchen and when we went and this happened routinely with these like you know boutique little places when we went back every time they would say well well let's start with the kitchen now i got to tell you uh what i put together for you is about 20 over your entire budget just for the kitchen and it was like why did you ask me for a budget if you were gonna ignore it yeah correct like i i'm sure and what they built was gorgeous but it was also way beyond the scope of what we wanted to do was like well let's just re let's take out some walls and let's do this this will be friggin amazing it's like yeah but you know it would be amazing but if you're gonna pay for it we'll do it yeah if i'm spending your money but i like there's no world where those prices like some of these places are like oh yeah it's gonna be 150 grand to do this like cool my house isn't worth enough for that to be a wise investment i'm never gonna like it's not gonna happen let's let's just start there this isn't this is in our forever home that we love and have to have and correct yeah and uh and so finally you know we were advised to go to uh either Lowe's or Home Depot we started with Lowe's and we worked with a guy there that um no murders were committed but uh it's only because that i that i'm willing to admit that's right this guy would forget things from from appointment to appointment but to our yeah it was like that the part where we walked out and and chose not to go back and we were very polite when we walked out but we just didn't go back was when we had you know we kept going and spending hours and hours with this guy we became date night it was like oh we'll go spend two hours with Tom at Lowe's and uh we got to you know like the end of a two hour session he's like hey so you guys want to pick out your countertops now and Lisa and i looked at each other and we're like we did that last time Tom and he's like oh i don't have that in my notes and it was like yep we're not doing it right now yeah and so we left and it was like no we can't do that again we went work with some of it at uh Home Depot we had one appointment and the entire thing was designed it was exactly what we wanted it was like wow if only we had known this eight months ago when we started this process so anyway uh well and there were things you know but you just got the right Home Depot in the wrong lows and i'm sure that's correct in another town right i mean there's some really talented people working at these places correct we just got the wrong we got the wrong rep at one and the right rep at the other that that's exactly what it was yeah this is this wasn't about Home Depot versus Lowe's in a general sense it was a very specific you know sure um but uh but yeah having and he had measurements wrong at one point where it was like how is that all gonna fit there like this is wonderful what you've built for us but i don't understand how we can have a refrigerator a stove house is this going in and two cabinets in the width where we have a refrigerator and a stove and a very thin cabinet like how did that work out and he's like oh i think i have the wrong measurements it's like okay okay anyway so i wish we had had that to uh to you know to do this but anyway we didn't and now we have a gorgeous kitchen and it's finished as i mentioned earlier and also last night i walked into the kitchen and i had a vision of three more cabinets we want to add to what we've done so we're going back to Home Depot to visit our friend there and Karen is going to help us spend more money in add more cabinets but it was it was like as soon as they walked in i'm like we should do this and if you can just hang them in mid-air like in the roblox game or something that'd be that'd be cool that'd be cool anyway Lou uh in normally in uh i think Canada but writing from France uh oh no he's he's normally in Lou in Vermont currently in France writes he says i found this great app called navigate to photo well link in the show notes i found it quite valuable during our current travels in France sometimes my brain powers down when i try to recall the name or location of that wonderful restaurant or other site we visited on a previous trip to any given location with nav to photo if i have a photo from a previous visit it makes it easy to locate with the photo on the screen of my iPhone there'll be the option titled navigate to photo in the share sheet so you go through photos you find the photo you go to the share sheet you click navigate to photo once you've installed the app tap that the navigation app that he wants to use for location comes up so apple maps google maps ways whatever you set comes up and the location where the photo was taken pops into the selected app and i am on my way nice right i like this is going to be using the metadata though with the yes of course it's using the minute yeah you could figure this out on your own but this makes it super easy right and uh where i thought about it you know we like to do when we go to cities and we love our city vacations uh we like to do like food tours it's a fun way to spend a little bit of time learn you know some of the history of a city from someone that lives there and eat some good food that you might not otherwise have but while you're walking we take pictures of places and like oh we should come back here that restaurant looks cool or you know that whatever that cheese that we sampled that this place was amazing let's go back and get some for a charcuterie plate at our airbnb or whatever and we take pictures and then we're searching in the i never thought of even using the metadata to do this we would i would literally take a picture of like the outside of a place but if i forgot to take it it's like crap now i don't know where to go i think it's generally in this area but i don't know i don't remember the name now you don't have to i need to start doing that because you especially yeah well there's one of those there's the one town that's hard to find stuff there's all these alleyways and all these little hole in the wall places is osaka japan it's that way in narita as well but osaka is particularly there's a lot of alleyways near our hotel sure you go down and you know up this staircase and it's hard to find it yeah this looks like a great solution to that problem yep i i'm i'm you know it's it's it's on my phone for the next trip absolutely and and the nice part is like all the pictures that i took of previous trips to places work with this like it's not like you have to you're not starting from scratch the day you download the app yeah that's the data steer the data is there yeah man yep speaking of cool things and we are because it's a little stuff in that sense patrick tells us he says with the release of ipad os 17 ipads equipped with a usb c port now support what's called uvc devices that's usb video class devices i was still lost at this point in the email bear with us i'll get you to where this is going to go this means patrick says that you can use external webcams in supported applications like facetime okay that's cool great you can also use usb capture cards to bring in any hdmi signal that's a convoluted way of describing and bearing the lead here but he goes on this means you can use your ipad as an external display for your gaming console your raspberry pi etc one of the ways i thought of using it as a camera field monitor for filming while on location or traveling you'll need a supported application he says i use cam x or orion makers of the halide camera app and we'll put links in the in the show notes for both of those but what this means is that uh with the right usb to hdmi capture card so you just need a you know a hdmi uh input to usb c so that's what we're calling a capture card with air quotes here because it we used to buy a card to put in our computers now you just do with usb right but with that and of course the right app your ipad becomes an external hdmi monitor for any kind of headless setup a raspberry pi or you know if you've got a mac mini server that doesn't have a monitor but occasionally you need to plug one in way easier to bring your ipad in a little usb dongle that you can get for what 30 bucks or something plug that in and now your ipad is a temporary usb hdmi screen to use with your mac mini get it booted up set up okay great i'm on my way and then you know you once you get a roll and you can use screen sharing or whatever so i uh i i thought this this was i'm i'm super stoked about this and and i put a link in the show notes to a youtube video that patrick made for us uh well for everybody but uh to to do this and he talks about in in there he links several uh capture cards the elgato elgato cam link 4k which is 99 dollars the generic capture card that he found on amazon is 20 dollars so again if you're just using it for a um for a you know for just as a headless screen you don't care so much about the resolution there's a there's another generic one from quermock for 17 dollars so we'll uh i'll put that one in the show notes so there you go um yeah fun that's that's awesome okay and that just as you were started talking about that i went oh yeah now that i've got the iphone 15 my lightning to hdmi no longer works for broadcasting out broadcasting out right but this is it lets you come in as a monitor correct yeah yeah yeah which is cool like i can think of a lot of things where that would be super handy so yeah thank you for uh thank you for that patrick really super cool stuff yeah yep um because we i'm trying to think where we are here you know the one that fits into this uh very kind of more than kind of very nicely very very nicely is one from listener ed and yep and i i think i have it up here yeah i do yeah uh we talked about the stream deck in the last episode uh being a little control surface external usb connected control surface it's got its own little screen in there you can customize what appears on all the tiny little buttons if you are watching the show uh on youtube you can see pete and i just pulled our stream decks up uh i realized as i grabbed mine that it sits way too close to see it's right there dave yep and uh and pete hits this little ding button right so you can use it to trigger all these things stream decks as pete mentioned in the last episode are not inexpensive at about a what 150 bucks 150 yeah um however there is an iphone app and an ipad stream deck app that you can use as a stream deck controller and what used to be true is no longer true because when i used this in march i had to do it on the two-week free trial uh before i would have had to pay for it but thankfully i was only doing it for a week in my hotel room and i didn't bring my stream deck so i had this when i recorded the show and it worked out fine but ed says uh the ios app is now free with a six button app and you can control your stream deck uh with that and now it's free for six guess who's not going to risk breaking his stream deck on the road all the time oh yeah you just need to have like an ipad or something that you can use with that yeah well see so i use my iphone as my camera but that being said my my daughter just came home for thanksgiving yep and so she moved into her brother's iphone 13 i've now got her iphone 11 with a tiny crack in it which i can use as a camera absolutely use my iphone as a stream deck during nice i like it i got all these iphone laying around now yeah you know i i have my 13 my 13 mini is the camera that lives in the studio here and i love it i know it's a little bit it seems a little bit decadent to use an iphone for that and it is but it's also the best camera we found for the price so yep the best webcam we found for the price so yeah good stuff yeah man they're just so nice as cameras thanks for hanging out with us folks and uh for those of you who are in the us who are hearing this on release day i hope you had a happy thanksgiving i'm looking forward to a fun december next episode i believe is when adam christensen christiansen uh joins the team here if i'm not mistaken and uh yeah we're looking forward to that too looking forward to heading to c es in january looking forward to all of 2024 like it's i'm i'm i'm stoked about where we're going with the show here i'm stoked to have all of you as listeners tell somebody about the show we would love to have your friends as listeners we would love to help them learn like we all get to learn every single time we get together here thanks to uh you for doing that thanks to our sponsors uh green chef dot com slash i need to remember what the code is off the top of my head i don't remember it's going to be somewhere there though uh i know i got it mgg 250 green slide green easy for me to say green chef dot com slash mgg 250 just go to mac geek up dot com slash sponsors all that stuff is always there including some deals from people who are no longer sponsoring us when the deal is still active for the banquets i am grateful to be here i'm grateful for the show i'm grateful for this audience thank you this is so much fun uh that's what i'm grateful for this year i hope your thanksgiving is amazing with family friends loved ones or that it's just amazing anyway regardless yeah yeah thanks everybody thanks pete for uh for keeping this fun and doing it with me and like i'm so happy we get to do this together yep uh pete your shirt has three amazing words on it and these are perhaps some of the uh perhaps the best generic advice that i can give to you my fellow human and those words are pete especially all you tom turkeys out there today is the day that you don't get caught made later maybe they will get caught and we're out thinking a bunch will yeah yeah yeah