 I do apologize for being late. I didn't realize I was going to open the public meeting, but we do need to fix that 281, don't we? This is terrible, terrible traffic. Anyhow, I wanted to welcome all of you to join us tonight as the city staff will present the proposed budget. As you know, last year we changed the process a little bit. In the past, we have every district has the budget public meeting after the proposed budget. Last year we changed to have, I believe, four meetings or five meetings, four meetings prior to the proposed budget to seek input. And then during the July time, the staff members go out and prepare the budget based on the input and then come back and we have the other proposed budget meeting. So this is one of those proposed budget meetings. We do want to hear from you what you believe, whether we are, what are the priorities we want to hear from you. And we still have this month until next month to tweak all the budget and council members and also city staff will get those input and we make minor adjustments. I also wanted to ask councilman Ron Nairberg, who is the new council member from District 8, and maybe he can share some of your words because we do share a dislocation for both the north side. And I don't know if councilman Sose will be here, but I think he was in the pre-proposed budget probably here. So congratulations for being elected. But as you know, serving on council certainly fun. You name it. Thank you councilman Chan. I just want to say hello. Are there any district 8 residents here? Raise your hand if you're a district 8. Okay. This is a citywide budget. We have the city staff here who have done long hours throughout July when council was on recess working on this budget. But do you want to emphasize the fact that this is a working session? So there are a lot of difficult choices to make. Councilman Chan said welcome to council. Here's your $50 million budget to a call. So it is a working session. There's a lot of difficult choices to make. So we do want to hear some good dialogue here about this proposed budget from you. Some highlights that city staff will go over. There is no recommended property tax increase. There are some increases in fees and there are some difficult choices again to make cuts to some city services. So I want to hear about all of those things and look forward to having a healthy dialogue tonight. Thank you. Okay. Tonight it's going to be Gloria Huhtarda who is going to be running this public meeting. And I would like to ask Gloria to also introduce and recognize all the city staff members. We have several assistant city managers here tonight. But I wanted to recognize my staff also. I have my chief of constituency at intravenous who used to work for district 8 and chief of communications Roger LeBrand and also my special project coordinator David De La O and I know that my chief of policy will be here shortly. I forgot to do that as well. In the back we have T.J. Mayes who is our district 8 chief of policy. We also have constituent services Kota Rea Garza. Kota is in the district 8 office which is in the colony. We have a chain of locations. T.J. Mayes is back and forth. Also switching offices we have Jeff Bazan who you may remember from Councilman Chan's office. He's now chief of staff for district 8. So a lot of shared experience, a lot of great knowledge and service from our two offices. So we look forward to working with you. Councilman, we do have a number of city staff here to help us through this process tonight. But let me start by introducing my peers. Carlos Contreras is assistant city manager. Ed Balmaras is also assistant city manager. And we have Maria Villagomez, the budget director. So she's the one who does really all the hard work on this. We have a number of department heads and assistant department heads who will be facilitating at the tables. So maybe I'll just have them introduce real quick starting with Dale from the library. I'm Dale McNeil, assistant director for public services at the library. I'm Noel Horan, deputy chief of the San 24 department. I'm Elizabeth Young, assistant chief of the San 24 department. I'm Nikki Ramos, assistant director of Parks and Recreation. Renee Frida, assistant director of Human Resources. Melody Woosley, interim director of Department of Human Services. David Nonan, assistant director for the solid waste management department. Jasmine Hussain, assistant director for Sims department. Howard, assistant director of Public Works. Terry Canoen, assistant director of Development Services. Paula Stahlke, assistant director of our communications and public affairs, including our 311 call center. A number of budget staff, so if you guys would just wave your hands. That's our budget staff. Okay, a little bit about the process. I first want to thank you all for making it here. Hopefully everybody wasn't stuck on the 281. So the process tonight is we're going to show a short video that kind of gives you an overview of the city's budget, the budget process. Some of you may have participated in June at the early public hearings where we did get input, worked on the budget as the councilwoman said through the month of July. Last week the city manager presented the draft budget, and that's what this video will talk about. So right now we have a draft budget on the table, so tonight we want to get your input on that budget. We're going to ask you at your tables to identify five priority areas. The things you think we should keep doing, doing a little more of, increases, these are the things that are really important to you, so the five priorities. But because we have a really tight budget and a budget shortfall that we're dealing with, we want you to help us identify three areas, and I'll tell you, it's a lot harder when you get to this part, three areas where you think we can cut or reduce or increase fees to pay for those priority areas that you do want. So you'll have about 20 minutes or so to work at your tables, we'll keep time, and then we'll ask you to switch to the tough job. And then we'll give you a few minutes on that, and then what we'll do is ask each table, one of our residents at each table to report out to the entire group. The city rep at your table is there to help facilitate, take notes, whatever helps the conversation go better at the table. Any questions before we start? Okay, video. Hello, I'm City Manager Cheryl Scully. The fiscal year 2014 proposed budget is balanced and allows the city to continue to provide quality services to the community while making the tough decisions to keep the city financially sound. The fiscal year 2014 proposed budget focuses on reducing administrative costs and prioritizes public safety, street maintenance, sidewalks, and drainage improvements. The proposed budget reflects policy direction from Mayor Castro, city council members, and valuable input from the recent community budget hearings held in June of every quadrant of the city. This video was developed to provide a summary of the fiscal year 2014 proposed budget and to enhance understanding of city services and how they're financed. It also highlights areas where the city has been able to recommend budget cuts while maintaining quality service levels to meet community needs. Over the next few weeks, the city council will carefully consider the proposals included in the proposed budget. Mayor Castro, city council members, and I look forward to your input prior to the adoption of the city's budget on September 12, 2013. We appreciate your interest in the City of San Antonio's proposed fiscal year 2014 budget. We are committed to keeping San Antonio financially strong and to making San Antonio a dynamic and healthy community for you and your family. The city is committed to continually improving services for residents of San Antonio and nurturing an environment for future growth and prosperity. Each day the city's workforce is in the community working to maintain city streets protect you and your family, preserve the beauty and integrity of your neighborhoods and offer services and programs that can enrich the quality of life for all residents. The fiscal year 2014 proposed budget is balanced as required by law and does not include a city property tax rate increase. The general fund, which is the city's largest operating fund, totals 989 million, less than 1% higher than last year. The budget is transparent and reflects city council policy direction and valuable input from the community. In June of this year, five community budget hearings were held across the city to obtain service priorities from residents before the proposed budget was prepared. Following the community budget hearings, city council annually establishes priorities and the proposed budget recommendations reflect that input. This year, the high priority services identified are public safety, streets, sidewalks and drainage as our city core services. Your city budget is more efficient and since 2007, the city has reduced the general fund budget by nearly 88 million and has eliminated 1,633 civilian positions with no layoffs. During the same period, the city added 307 police officers and 167 firefighters reflecting community and city council priorities. The FY 2014 proposed budget reduces 13 million in the general fund and a total of 279 positions in all funds. In the general fund five-year financial forecast presented in May of 2013, revenues were projected to increase at a slower pace than expenditures necessitating adjustments to be made to the budget. The proposed FY 2014 budget presented to the city council on August 8th is balanced and reflects the city council priorities of no city property tax rate increase, budget reductions and some fee increases. Included in the budget are five million in proposed revenue adjustments in the general fund, primarily an increased transport fees, hazmat inspection fees and recreational fees. The proposed budget also maintains the city's financial reserves at 89 million or 9% of general fund appropriations. With the efficiencies added in this year's proposed budget general fund expenses increased less than 1%. One of the top priorities recommended by the community and the city council is public safety. The police department has applied for a community's organized for public service hiring grant that will allow for the hiring of additional police officers for three years. The budget includes 307,000 for a city match if the grant is awarded in October 2013 for 10 officers. 1.3 million is also included in the budget to add more police in car video and other equipment. The fire department provides quality fire prevention and suppression, emergency medical service and rescue operations to city residents. The proposed budget enhances these efforts by adding three full-time hazmat inspectors to improve inspections as well as 3 million for the replacement of two hazmat trucks and other fire equipment. Improvement and maintenance of streets and sidewalks continues to be a high priority for residents. The proposed budget continues funding the infrastructure maintenance program at 54 million. This amount includes 35 million to improve streets and 8.5 million for sidewalks. This is 2.5 million more than in 2013 and 4.5 of the 8.5 million will go to improve sidewalks to schools. 3.5 million will be used for drainage improvements and the final 7 million is for pavement markings, alleyways, traffic signals and bike facility improvements. In 2012, voters approved a 596 million bond program that includes city-wide improvements for streets, bridges and sidewalks, drainage and flood control, parks, libraries and public safety facilities. During fiscal year 2014, many of these projects will be designed and approximately half will begin construction. The FY 2014 budget includes 1.25 million for initiatives to revitalize and improve neighborhoods throughout San Antonio. This amount includes the Renew SA program, C-Clovia and the FitPass program. Also included is funding for animal care services to continue to perform 26,500 spay-neuter surgeries and maintain a 75% live release rate. Code continues to be a priority in 2014 and no service reductions for code enforcement are recommended in the budget to ensure a continued focus on improving neighborhoods. San Antonio senior centers provide daily health, fitness and nutrition support to residents 60 years and older. The FY 2014 budget continues to make these services a priority and includes 1.5 million in funding for the expansion of senior centers in districts 2, 6 and 7. The 2014 proposed budget includes 3.5 million dollars for economic development incentives. 1.75 million is dedicated for inner city incentives and 1.75 million is dedicated to city-wide initiatives. A key piece in developing the city's budget is making decisions to maintain a strong financial position while providing quality service delivery. The budget reduces 13 million by streamlining services focusing on community priorities and reducing administrative overhead. On average non-public safety departments in the general fund reduced costs by 5%. This year's budget reductions include leveraging technology and process improvements in municipal court to reduce the time customers spend at court by 30% while reducing costs by 914,000. The budget also reduces 1.7 million in administrative overhead which includes a 50% reduction to travel in other line item budgets as well as 11 administrative positions. The city will also achieve savings by transitioning services provided at the link centers to existing facilities including development services one stop, select libraries and other city facilities. Service modifications totaling 1.3 million include realignment of parks landscape and sanitation maintenance schedules and consolidating 10 open play community centers with low attendance with other full service centers in close proximity. The budget includes a change in the outdoor swimming pool program that is anticipated to save 310,000. This proposal expands the existing 6-day per week operation of outdoor swimming pools to a 7-day per week operation by limiting the number of days each pool is open. Delegate agency funding is proposed to be reduced by 5% consistent with the average reduction of non-public safety city departments. Funding for Haven for Hope, however, remains at the FY2013 budget levels. This proposal saves 630,000. Solid waste collection services are supported by a user fee collected monthly through your electric bill. The budget includes funding to support a subscription curbside recycling program for organic recycling and adding two additional neighborhood drop-off and an increase to the solid waste monthly rate of 50 cents is recommended in the 2014 proposed budget, raising the cost to $19.93 per month. Now that you've learned about the proposed fiscal year 2014 budget, we want to hear from you. We encourage you to attend any of the community budget hearings. There are five area-wide community meetings held across the city and two at the city council chambers. As required by law the city budget is scheduled to be adopted on September 12th. The city's new fiscal year begins October 1st. Visit the city's website at www.sanantonio.gov to learn more about the proposed fiscal year 2014 budget and the public input process. You can watch this video again on TVSA the city's government access channel. As you can see the city's fiscal year 2014 proposed budget is balanced and continues to provide. Thank you for being here tonight. Just a couple of things to highlight about the proposed budget. So when we presented our five-year financial forecast as we do annually to the city council in May of this year, we talked about revenue and expense what our projections are for the upcoming year. And revenues are increasing. What we presented, 2.4% and expenses are increasing just to maintain what we're doing today. And so knowing that the mayor and council want us to continue our core services of police and fire and street maintenance and that leaves then just that rest of the budget then to make cuts because to fund what we're doing today and they said no property tax increase, no increase in the city's property tax rate which has not been increased in 20 years. In fact the city council has lowered the city property tax rate three times in the last seven years. So you can see the math. Revenues are not growing as fast as the cost to deliver the services. So we have to make reductions. And I want you to know that the council's been very diligent about this over the years. We actually have fewer city positions today than we had eight years ago. And if you think about the population, it's grown by 160,000. We have more parks, more libraries, more fire stations that we're staffing and yet we're doing that by using technology by changing our business systems, by competitively bidding some of the work that we do and how can we provide best value to you all for the dollars that you pay. And so we've made those reductions and yet we've increased public safety because we needed more police officers and firefighters. So we've cut 1350 civilian positions but we've added 474 police officers and firefighters. So we have net fewer positions today. And yet revenues are not growing at the cost increases for the city's general fund. The proposed budget is less than 1% of an increase for next year. And overall, all funds, general fund, restricted funds and capital budgets are actually down 1% as compared to this year. So these are tough decisions for the city council members. We spent three and a half hours this afternoon talking about public safety, police and fire. And they represent 66% or two thirds of our general fund budget. So if we don't reduce in that area, that leaves just one third of the budget to make cuts. And those are all very important things. I don't want to recommend these kinds of reductions. And we try to focus in the administrative area, not in the direct service delivery but having cut a lot of that administrative overhead over the past several years, there isn't a lot left to cut without impacting services. And that one third of the budget to cut includes important things like streets maintenance and parks and libraries and animal care services and code enforcement and our human service agencies that we fund. And then the general administration of the city, finance and human resources and accounting and those administrative functions. So these are tough decisions and what we're looking for from you all tonight are your ideas, those things that are most important to you and then those things that you think we could do without so that we can keep things balanced. We either have more revenue or we have to cut expenses because we are required by law to maintain a balanced budget. It's balanced today and it will be balanced when the council adopts the budget. We're not like other levels of government that are able to carry deficits. We don't do that. We fund our activities for the fiscal year. But we also take a look at the future. We take care of today's needs but then what's the impact on the decisions that we make today? What does that do to the budget next year and the years beyond? So that we're aware of that and not creating bigger problems for us in the future. So I'll turn it back over to Gloria. She's going to give you some other guidance and then at the conclusion of your work then we'll have a report out. If you could identify one of the residents from your table then to summarize and speak to the issues that you come up with that would be very helpful to us because we use this information and share it with all of the council members as we do these meetings throughout all of San Antonio. So thank you for coming tonight. And in case you didn't know that's our city manager Cheryl Scully. Okay so we're going to change it a little bit. I do want you to know that we will summarize everything that happens here tonight and at the other public hearings and all of this input will be summarized for the city council to consider as they make the final budget decisions. So as we get started we decided the harder job is coming up with three areas to cut or increase fees, generate more revenue or things that you think we can do without eliminate or reducing the budget. So if at your tables you'll start with the reductions first and then when you've come up with your three then you move on to the wonderful things that you want to keep, enhance, expand. So start with the three reductions and then move on to your five priority areas and we'll walk around and answer questions and you have a staff resource at your tables. Thank you. Can you get your attention? We're going to start the oh I think David is ready. Okay we're going to start the report outs by table and I already have a volunteer over here at table one. Okay we had the best table and you'll be able to see that because to start with we had five reductions not three. So I would like to hear a little applause before we start. Thank you. Number one priority in our reductions were to consolidate more city and school operations parks and libraries. We're doing some of that. We could do much more. Reduce downtown incentives with reducing waivers and tax breaks. Increase fines and make it administrative to facilitate the collection of code violations. Feel like that could be better done and not take as long to do. Consolidate some city and county operations, parks again, and this will be I'm sure well received a study to increase property tax. Priorities for things that we feel need to be examined and maintained or increased public safety, but we also would like to renegotiate the contracts when they come for benefits and other pension funds. Street and sidewalk maintenance require developers to include and develop park space when there's a new development, so they don't get their permits until there's a commitment to do this. Require the developers to build out these parks in the park space. More downtown recycling and increased operating hours at the bidders HHW. Thank you very much. How about this table? Are we ready table two? Thank you. For our decrease, we have property tax increase and then we have to reduce support to Haven for Hope and to focus on the collection of unpaid EMS and other revenue dues. And then we have increased city parking fees if possible and hazard tax to DUI. Oh, and by the way, I'm Daniel Gutierrez. I'm Girlboard Chair of the Girl Scout West Texas and I'm Amanda Gutierrez. And for our increase or to maintain currently we have youth programs because like me and my sisters being Girl Scouts, we get to learn a lot and we also get to grow and become more independent and better leaders and we can encourage confidence and we get to speak for ourselves and not afraid to speak for ourselves and speak for what we believe in and so that's why we believe youth programs will be wonderful and we also have senior nutrition programs, library hours and we have animal care services and we also have public art support of the arts. Thank you. Okay, here we go. Okay, for a table three our proposed reductions are through elimination of the electric car charging stations which are not very often used. Changing the city's office work hours to four-day work week instead of a five-day work week and our third one, we had seven initially but we reduced it to three. Our third one is to have more efficiency in management of systems. Sims, I don't know what this stands for. Okay, and then our top priorities number one is to retain the 20 CRTs to not reduce it to 10. We consider that an important part of public safety in our city. Keep public works as it is. We want well-paid police and firemen and women to continue with park maintenance and along with the last group animal care services. We have volunteers here tonight. Okay, our group decided on a pull it down. I'm going to start on the cuts. We'll start on the cuts here is to cut subsidies for downtown developments to private entities primarily that are getting big tax breaks for building these condos in such downtown. Our parks operating, I'm sorry, Hemisphere Park, yes, H-Parks downtown to cut some costs on the expansion of that. The costs for that have dramatically gone up for just administrative operations, so we need to look at that. And then capital money that's being transferred to operating budgets is not good any time. Whether you're a businessman in any circumstances, your auditor is going to say, no, no, you can't take capital improvement bonds. These are bonds that are being put over about 17 million over into the city operating budget. That will run us out of business real fast. Okay, and the capital improvements needs a lot more efficiency in their management. Okay, let's go to expanding. We had several at our table thought we needed to expand our animal care systems here with punitive enforcements around that. We needed to stop cuts in our libraries. We just recently passed this big deal in our city for educating our little kids, but we want to shut our libraries down. That doesn't make any sense. Reinstate the dollars to our city parks. Somebody told me this evening we're number 37 in cities for parks that we need major improvements in our parks in our city. And then the last one is reinstate health department cuts. And I really think you ought to expand on that. Well, publicity is a double-edged sword. And the mayor's done such a fine job in selling the city nationally, and the CVB has done a wonderful job as well promoting our city on all kinds of programs that that's one side of the double-edged sword. The other side would be say for example a tourist gets killed here, or in this case the Salmonella outbreak, or a West Niles outbreak, or maybe somebody getting bitten by a rat on the river walk or whatever, and it makes big news. And all the work that the mayor's done on one side of the double-edged sword is negated by the negative press. So the bigger job, the better job you've done on building the brand, in this case San Antonio, then the bigger the negative publicity comes back to haunt you when you have a problem. And the health department is one of those departments that they do preventative work. It's out of sight out of mind. The better work they do, the less you hear about them. The worst job they do, the more you hear about them when there's the mosquito problems or whatever the case may be. Last year we cut 10% off the health department budget. We caught about four people. This year we're looking at cutting 10% again. So as once again I'm here advocating for the health department, San Antonio Metro Health. How about that? We're ready. Table seven. Our cuts were for the street cars downtown to cut the monies for the street cars. Our second cut was for tax abatements for the businesses relocating in San Antonio. Too much money going into businesses and developers. Relocate the monies that are going into the museums. Relocate all the money that's going into our museums. We would like to see our add-ons or some things that we would like to see happen. Would be services for seniors and youths. We'd like to see that continue. We have a lot of seniors and we have a lot of youths, both. And we're going to have to look out for our seniors and look out for our youth. If I ask everybody in here to raise your hand, if you're over a certain age tonight, I'll guarantee you we've got all seniors in the room. We need services that support the seniors and youth, such as in our parks and in our libraries. We want to be sure that we have more services in the libraries and in the parks for seniors and youths, both. Very important that we don't neglect either one of those two. The last one across is the one that we all need and it's our city services, such as streets and drainage. As you all know, the recent rain that we had, if we ever have rain again, a lot of areas were flooded out. A lot of people lost their homes on the south side of San Antonio. And there was a lot of flooding on the north side of San Antonio, particularly around the almost dam. So if the dam hadn't held the water, I will guarantee you downtown would have been flooded. So we have to do something about the drainage. Thank you. That's table seven. Good evening. Okay, so our list of priorities. We came up with two. The first one was economic development incentives. We feel like with the budget crunches, it would be a good time to just be a little bit more conservative on that, if you will. And then the second one was increase e-rate rebate. I don't know what that really is, but we had someone that told me that everybody from the city knows what that is. And we nodded our heads and voted for it. It sounded like a good idea. So we're going to go with that. And then we didn't do number three because we chickened out. We talked about raising taxes and didn't want to get booed out of the room. But since the first two tables put that down, we'll add that to ours as well. And then the priority areas. Restore 20 hours for libraries. Our understanding, because we had John representative at the library, that that's in their budget to cut those. And so we'd like to see that possibly not happen. Parks and Recreation. Obviously, I'm sure there's some cuts there that we'd like to see continue. Agencies, I do feel that agencies are working very hard to serve the community and have a lot of community needs. So I'd like to see that stay in contact. And then increase funding for early childhood literacy and seek more grant funding. Okay, apparently decreasing abatement is really popular at this one. And we agree with them, both private and the industry we feel like. That's not something we want to give away. We talked about possibly adding some fees at the park. Because every time we have Easter, people leave a mess. And we have to pay for extra people to come out and clean. And maybe even like after some fiesta functions. We also, our third one was everyone is having to cut a lot of staff is not getting any extra money. We felt like maybe the executive salaries and bonuses should also be looked at. And this is kind of a difficult one. But we did have someone from the police department sitting at our table and we said maybe they need to look at their budget because they take such a big chunk. Maybe they should try and see they can find any grants or other revenues or other ways that they could possibly increase their budget so that they could decrease the amount from us or from the city. We already did the fiesta and District 3 said no more senior citizen centers in their area because they feel like they have enough and they're happy with theirs. Oh, okay, I'm sorry. No more senior citizen centers until District 3 gets one. Excuse me. Apparently District 3 does not have a senior citizen, let it be known. Our add-ons are, we want the library to retain their hours and I'm partial to that. We want streets, we want the parks and the infrastructure of them and we want Christ response team not to be cut. And we want to keep the budget for project quest as proposed and we want education such as trade jobs as well as professional jobs because we have a lot of people that that's the level at which they can find a job. Thank you. So we had someone that was at our table but left and her idea of cuts and reductions was senior services so what we're saying to that is because the lady left we're saying maybe find a way to advocate for senior services in the area. So administrative costs, that could be a cut or a reduction, maybe not the young man that's sitting at our table or the lady that came to talk to us because she was really nice and patient but some of the costs maybe consolidate positions. The specific example that I gave was on three positions that I saw on the internet, business intelligence, lead, business intelligence supervisor, business intelligence manager, then I asked the question where are those people? Well there is not one person in that area that has been hired so it begs the question then why is it continuously open? If there is no one to lead, no one to supervise and no one to manage then why is the city going to expand funds on that particular positions when there's no one to lead supervisor manage? So that was that and so what we're saying is consolidate positions. Maybe animal care services we thought would be another area where we could cut and maybe possibly reduce our priorities are a street network so we're thinking maybe road infrastructure, chuck holes, potholes, every time it rains and we're driving down the road, right? So we think about those and that was one of our priorities. Library services, we totally love libraries because we think that our kids are special and the people that work there are also very special because they're the ones that tend to our kids when we're at work and or we drop them off at the library so we think that also people that are applying for driver's license, people that are applying for jobs, people that don't have computers at home because they can't afford them or they just don't have one. So things like that and also public safety to us was a very high priority so we thought that we would list it not necessarily at number three but maybe right along with library services because we all deal with the public and we know that already on the purple color those services are taking a big chunk so yeah that is a priority especially when a lot of money is being spent on that. Alrighty I have no name but I thank you very much. This is our last table. Lots of good input before we wrap up. I wanted to check if Councilwoman Chan or Councilman Nuremberg wanted to say any closing remarks. I'll be very brief. I just wanted to thank everyone for coming and also for giving us your input and also your suggestion. I know how difficult it can be because when I've been on council for four years and I went through four budgets so it can be very complicated but we certainly would take your input too hard and I think we have heard you loud and clear that we wanted to have basic services as a focus. Maybe that's just me but as I heard about streets, I heard about public service or public safety, I heard about library, I heard about parks and recreation so we would in are we getting those back so we can kind of synthesize what we heard today and in Gloria how would we how would we're going to post this online also or okay we're going to post online so I wanted to make sure that you understand that we really care about input and we will look into it the council will listen to your input but also city staff and we have until September how many more weeks of budget session Maria September 12 so we have time and each one of us have email and phone that you can call us and councilman Nirenberg you would like to say. I will echo everything that councilwoman Chan said in addition that this is an ongoing process even as we get past September 12 we have a challenge to meet for next year too so these conversations need to continue to happen and our phones are working our emails are working we look forward to helping address these challenges with you together so thank you and thank you also to city staff who now have to put all the pieces together. And I think I will be remiss to not to thank our city manager and also Maria and all staff members you know how hard it is because most of the time council members only tell her what we want but it's very difficult to tell her where we want to cut and when you wanted to suggest and I have some suggestions about where to cut I have several as a matter of fact but then you also have other council members may not agree with you so this is definitely a very complicated process it is a balancing act but I have to say that I have worked with Cheryl for four years and Cheryl has pushed basic services as much as she can but she has 11 bosses so it is hard and we recognize that Cheryl so thank you for what you do but I still believe that we can still prioritize a little bit more to focus on basic services so I would like to see that happen and I think there's also other departments that we can look into to achieve a little bit more efficiency and I think you know which department I'm talking about so we will go through the process and hopefully we can pull the focus back to basic services thank you again for your attendance, your participation and it's 8 o'clock so good night I just want to say there's two citywide hearings that you can also go to on August 28th and September 4th thank you and good night