 Welcome into the original gangsters podcast I am your host Scott Bernstein along with my partner in crime and co-conspirator the doctor Jimmy Bujalado Hi, everyone. Hey now we got Ben our MVP producer behind the glass and today we're going to Get into What's going on in the mafia in Providence, Rhode Island? There's actually quite a bit to report Some cases that have already dropped some cases that we're hearing are on the verge of dropping We're going to be talking about some of the OG's in in Providence, LCN like good-looking Maddie googly a Maddie and little a little Eddie Lado who are the guys that have been around for decades and traced back to the old patriarchal regime, but then kind of maybe the centerpiece of this episode is going to be about a BG a baby gangster a new up-and-coming player in in the Providence underworld a Guy that's under indictment right now as well as being investigated for for other Criminal activities by the state police as well as the federal Bureau of investigation his name is Dino Gomet and goes by the nickname the big bully and We're going to break it all down for you. So I Wanted just tease it out that this has been an episode. We've been working on for over a month We we had it set up in a number of different Kind of the way we were going to formulate the episode who we were going to have on it and Honestly, we had some interference from The federal government and I don't want to go any deeper into that other than we had a We had one way that we were going to format this episode and we were going to have a guest on and the federal government nixed it and and Basically was worried that possibly we would be sharing government secrets or that it would somehow affect Either the bringing of this case that's we're being told it's going to be coming down the pike here in the next couple months Or the prosecuting of the case once it comes Yeah, to be clear. It's not like the feds contacted us. It's the guest of the guest the potential guest was informed that it's someone who's familiar with this investigation and I played a role in the investigation at some point asked this person not to do any media So it's red hot there and red hot in Providence right now red hot for those three people that I mentioned, especially Go met and googly a meddy Maybe a little less so for Eddie Lado, but I guess only time will tell But a lot to unpack. So let's kind of like start from the From the beginning Just in terms of how the New England underworld is Put together or you know, what the roadmap of that patriarchal organization is you've always had two very distinct groups It's the New England mafia and you have a Boston group and you have a Providence group and today We're obviously be doing with the Providence group, but they work in coordination with each other and Over the years the boss has shifted from You know when old man Raymond patriarchal was the boss. He was stationed in Federal Hill, you know little Italy of the city of Providence for a good 30 years and The the seat of power stayed In in Rhode Island for a while then it went to Boston when Cadillac Frank took over then it went back to Providence under baby shacks Minocchio when he took over and then since baby shacks stepped down Allegedly back in the late 2000 and 2000s The power in the family the power the seat of power is in Boston first. It was with Peter Lomone who's who's passed And now allegedly it's with the the Dunsio brothers a big cheese and little cheese Who are out of the north end a headquarter out of a social club called the Gemini social club, but underneath the big cheese Carmina nunsio You have a Former underboss and a current underboss in Providence. Good-looking Maddy. Googly a meddy Was the underboss from what I can understand through most of the 2010s came out of a About a nine-year prison term. I think in 2014 Where he got had to go do a Bid for protecting cocaine shipments that were coming through Providence in the early 2000s See a Sicilian guy. Is he from Sicily or am I thinking of someone else? You might be thinking of a Biazio di Giacomo, right? Okay, Di Giacomo Maddy's dad Maddy googly a meddy senior who I think they call Big Maddy was a very close Associate friend advisor to Raymond patriarcha Maddy, Jr. Good-looking Maddy from a very young age was around Raymond senior There's a famous Television clip from Raymond's Funeral back in 1984 where a relatively young good-looking Maddy Berets the cameraman and the FBI agents there Goddamn FBI. I don't respect Like sunny in the Godfather But Maddy is just Doesn't get more respected than Then good-looking Maddy guys, you know in his mid 70s now I believe or pushing up into his mid 70s. I believe he was born in 49 And He just is one of these guys that has respect in in every city. He's a guy whose name rings beyond Providence and Made a lot of connections. I heard when he was in when he was locked up with the feds from about 2005 2014 and I've heard that he's Leveraging those connections allegedly since he's been out The government believed that he was the underboss but last year In the case that we're gonna talk about or the one case that's already dropped with another case being investigated Court documents were released that allowed us the knowledge that according to Rhode Island State police right now Maddy Guglia. Maddy is no longer the underboss. He has Voluntarily stepped away. He's now back to a couple regime rank and little Eddie Lado is now According to the government as of last year the underboss of the of the patriarchal crime family By the way, I just want to acknowledge something that someone contacted us off the record Apparently in an in another episode. I don't even remember us saying this but we apparently Understated The traditional role that state police play in investigating Italian especially in that part of country, right and a Person who was a state police? Investigator contacted us off the record from the east coast and Said that actually that's not true that that state police in places like Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island Massachusetts are very active in investigating Traditional OC so just want to well I think that plays right into the the story that we're telling right now So the the knowledge that little Eddie is now the underboss Another guy that is an OG goes back to the patriarchal regime Has been in and out of prison really his whole life Unlike Maddy who I don't think did a bunch of time Eddie's done quite a bit of time and just came out in The last couple years from about a eight nine-year sentence on extortion that he took with baby shacks and His name as well as good-looking Maddy's name have popped up in all these court records related to The young up-and-comer Dino Gomet So let's just give a little background right now as we speak here in the summer of 2023 Gomet who is about 45 is under indictment for distributing illegal prescription anxiety pills like Xanax and There's another Pharmaceutical name. I'm blinking out of the way like I would say he's doing a public service Any anyway, that's just an editorial We all we need as much anxiety medicine as we can get I take anxiety medicine, but it's prescribed prescribed So so Dino Does not have a major criminal record He only really came on came into the spotlight because of this case and then once this case hit a Local Providence media outlet and let's give a tip of the hat to go local Prove Which has done the you know the most comprehensive reporting on this particular case that and there's still a lot more to be written But in terms of the investigation, I don't think we would have known You know 80% of what we know now if it wasn't for the reporting that the people at go local Prove have been doing But do you have sorry dinner, but I have them up now And they have really cool links to documents and images and so I encourage our audience. Oh, it's a it's a great resource and So they've been reporting for the last year that in addition to the pill case Dino go met is the focus of a wholesale cocaine Distribution case that is being worked In tandem between Rhode Island state police and the FBI and a lot of the documentation From the pill case is referencing this other investigation that has yet to come to fruition, but Everything that we're hearing is that there will most likely be a case that is brought at some point before the end of the year and within those Documents that have been put forth by the government and then exposed by got by go local Prove in there You know on their site and in their social media There are direct links in this investigation to good-looking Maddie Google and Maddie Controlled Purchases of cocaine that have been made according to these files by members of law enforcement from Dino go met and that they have on From confidential informants on firsthand Relays that percentages of this cocaine distribution network are being passed to good-looking Maddie and Last thing I'll say and I'll throw it over to Jimmy for his thoughts Dino go met From everything I've heard from everyone. I've spoken to is Mentored by good-looking Maddie good-looking Maddie looks at him Almost like he's a blood relative even though I don't believe he is and that from a pretty young age Dino was driving around good-looking Maddie and being his bodyguard and Has kind of now graduated if you believe the scuttle, but To made man status in the last year Yeah from the people I've talked apparently he's well liked in those circles, but I This is it. This is from the actual public documentation That go met. This is word-for-word. I'm reading from the affidavit That he's involved in this practice in furtherance of his allegiance to the NEL CN which is New England La Cosa Nostra so right there in the language. They're trying to link what he's doing to a larger, right? conspiracy which is traditionally how this works if someone's a member they have to kick up a percentage of their their You know, whatever they're earning, but I you know, I could be somewhat skeptical in the sense of of Course that they want to believe that because they want to get they always want to get the small fish And move up and and get the bigger fish. I mean, we don't know yet. We have to let let the case play out, but It very well could be that that this is traditionally in a traditional arrangement where this is in furtherance of the overall organization, but It doesn't so let's just say I it doesn't surprise me that that the government is saying that the government is saying that I mean there they seem to be showing Proof I mean at least in terms of if you're gonna believe the confidential informants and that's the whole other You know rabbit hole that we can jump down Of course, but they have confidential informants that are I guess very close to these money exchanges that are telling them that Guglia, Mehdi is seeing a piece of Dino's business Dino. I guess isn't shy in Being seen around town with good-looking Mehdi I'm being told that they're they're kind of a When you see one you're you're quite likely to see the other Dino is a younger guy. He seems to be another Commonality between him and Guglia Mehdi from what I've been told is they're both notorious ladies men Good-looking Mehdi just by the nickname you could he was a good-looking guy or is a good-looking guy now He's you know, he's a little older, but back in the day. He was known as a Playboy and I guess Dino has Similar reputation right now. He's in a relationship with Shiana Jenkins who Her ex-husband you might have heard of His name was Aaron Hernandez. He was an NFL tight end for the New England Patriots who was sent away to Send away to prison for murder and then committed suicide in prison. They got quite a bit of headlines Was she interviewed in that documentary? Yeah, she's so she's been like accessible to the public. Yeah Wow, so she obviously has it seems to have a thing for a certain type of individuals And and it's not they're just they don't just they're not just a couple that they share a child So Shiana Jenkins is Dino's baby mama as well as girlfriend or possible fiance Um, wouldn't you wouldn't you like to have if you're in that world wouldn't you rather have a nickname like good-looking? Johnny roast beefers good-looking Matty's a great nickname the best Oh, that's what I'd rather have be called good-looking sale or some good-looking You know Matty then we're handsome Stevie and fill it out But let's go to how Dino got the nickname so Dino made his name in his 20s as a Participant in tough man competitions if you've ever seen the movie War warrior with Nick Nolte and Tom Hardy and and it's a it's a great movie. It's like the modern-day Rocky It's about the world of MMA. Oh Anyway, they should the only reason I'm bringing it up is that they show That before these characters actually make it to MMA They're making like extra money like one guys as a school teacher and he makes like extra money going into like the backwoods of Pennsylvania where like a bar and a radio station will like Covertly put on a legal boxy match fight club counting. Well, it's not fight club Like it's not like held like in a basement. I see actually like stage and their people are betting Yeah, people are betting on it and they have ring girls and a announcer and Yeah, that's how mr. T Actually, yeah, that's how we got that's how won a tough man competition and in Chicago and got recognized by Stallone, but so that's how you got the nickname the big bully Just he was a guess a staple in these tough man competitions And I think he he boxed I Don't believe he ever turned pro but was an amateur boxer In the area Golden Globes and so forth So he's a guy that even though he hasn't been out on our radar or maybe even on the government's radar until recently you know within Providence in in the kind of like the Circles of of guys that are brawlers and and Guys that are you know kind of I don't say cowboys because we don't know that he's a cowboy. In fact, we actually here He's kind of opposite but kind of Sounds a good just a bruiser Desperados, you know guys that are that are kind of You know rag tag fighters that are that can also make you know great Recruits for for for the mob. Yeah, so According to these Court filings Dino is being financed in his drug affairs by the wife of a very prominent Rhode Island legitimate Businessmen and so I want to be very clear when we say this The the businessman's name is Jerry McGraw. He is the owns the one of the few cannabis license legal cannabis license in Rhode Island. He has the Lion's share of the legal marijuana market in Rhode Island Jerry McGraw I want to be very clear Jerry McGraw has not been implicated in anything. So I just want to state that from the get go Jerry McGraw's wife has been and What I'm told is that I believe her name was Elizabeth Elizabeth McGraw and Dino Gomet used to be a couple used to date and According to the government now and these are this is in you know the record Confidential informants have told The FBI that Elizabeth McGraw helps finance Dino Gomet's cocaine operation Well, this is from go local Prof to just so people know that you know, this isn't just Conjecture right conjecture underworld sources, whatever but that this is That this wife had more than 1,000 phone calls and text with accused drug dealer Which in and of itself doesn't prove anything but with depending on the content of those texts and some of the other Circumstantial evidence could prove problematic for this person and then there's there's there's one thing I noticed and You know, I guess if you're not paying attention it would easily Go past your radar, but I guess if you are paying attention like a reporter, you know, it raises some red flags The According to these documents Gomet is getting his product from Caribbean and If you go to Gomet's social media There's quite a few Photos and albums of him in the Cayman Islands Partying with with friends and associates So again, I mean we don't nothing has been charged all all Dino is dealing with right now as we speak is the pill case But it seems like He'll have More legal problems on the horizon if you're reading the tea leaves here Yeah, and this Obviously he denies this all and even with the earlier charges Yeah, he's glad not guilty but not guilty asked for it to be dismissed, which the court wouldn't do just looking at the And another thing that you know, I don't want to say raises red flags because You know, I don't want to say that just because you're you're hanging out in federal Hill Means that you're a gangster because federal Hills, you know a tourist destination for people in Providence Plenty of legitimate people spend a lot of time in federal Hill but it's also been known for a half century plus as ground zero for the mob in Providence and Dino's up on the Hill quite a bit. He spends a lot of time at a social club called the Toscan Social Club and According to these filings has Been an invitee To the annual Providence Patriarch a crime family holiday party Which takes place in December of every year Just like most crime families just like most businesses and corporations have a Christmas party. So does the mob and The last couple I guess Dino has been at these events and has sat at the same table as Good-looking Maddie Guglielmetti and little Eddie Lado. So it's interesting because for I mean, it sounds like in some ways that this isn't Super low-key, but on the other hand to have this much intel Somebody's telling yeah, somebody somebody who's at this party and they obviously have court ordered Taps and whatnot right to we're seen in these filings about texts and Messages and phone calls. Yeah, there's a lot of candid like personal photos that were released in the the court documents I'm assuming they got from their phone and social media. There was just a An incident in the last year where a pretty high-ranking member of the Ascent the house assembly in Providence, I believe was the chief of staff for the Essentially the Rhode Island Legislature Yeah, I think it was the speaker. It was someone of speakers Speaker of the chief of staff for the speaker. I think so was forced to resign this has only been in the last year because of Business investments that this guy had made with members of organized crime related to legal marijuana distribution Which again, it's it's legal as long as you don't have a criminal record because if you have a criminal record You can't have a license To move legal cannabis. So when they find a guy like Raymond Jenkins who goes by the nickname Scarface Scarface Jenkins is a guy that's been around forever It's been a enforcer collector for guys like in Providence for guys like Lado and in Guglia, Medi And he I guess was a childhood friend of this chief of staff of a politician and they were invested in a Marijuana grow as well as a marijuana retail Well when we had We did that episode with O'Donnell who was went undercover I think in that episode didn't he say like that in his His feeling was that the Italians were really trying to make a push into like the legal marijuana. I everywhere I mean, I don't think it's just out east. I mean, I see it here in Detroit I think one of the biggest misnomers that I've ever heard spoken by a A member of the government and I'm sure there are there are echoes of what was being Told to the public a hundred years ago during prohibition But this notion that legalizing marijuana was gonna eliminate the black market When in reality it it supercharges the black market Well, yeah I mean the government doesn't say the government wants the war on drugs to continue But but people like me say it will reduce the black market But I which I still stand by but I think your point is well taken those of us that Advocate drug legalization or at least decriminalization Who are being honest about it do acknowledge that you will it's impossible to completely Eliminate a black market from any of these things so even like for gambling, right? You will cut down on the black market significantly, but it's it's not like there. I mean there are still bookmakers back alley bookmakers Casino nights on the casino now. I mean, it's the same thing with drugs. You're always going to have people that want to score their dope Either either through like a street dealer or what you're talking about which is it's nominally legal But no at the back end you still you're anybody can get a license as long as you don't have a criminal record But Raymond Jenkins who was involved in this business. Yeah is a You know someone who has a rap sheet that is as long as his arm I mean you look at legalized. I know it's not that way now, but you look at legalized gambling in Vegas I mean, you don't think the mob was involved in that. I mean that we all know that's a well-told history Yeah, so just because you legalize something doesn't mean you're going to keep the black market You're going to suppress the black market nor does it guarantee organized crime Figures won't get involved in the legalized aspect of these industries But again, we don't usually get into partisan politics, but this is criminal justice public policy and they were very very bright Editorializing I still think it's the right direction and I think that I suspect that there there might have been some dovetailing in the gomet or Investigation and what was found last I believe it was last fall with Jenkins and and the the guy in the legislature But Jenkins and that guy were being very brazen like Jenkins was being allowed like Into the private parking lot of the assembly where he would meet with you, right? Yeah, it was pretty conspicuous Yeah, they weren't really going out of their way to hide their interaction Yeah, and I again, I don't have any proof, but I sense that We could hear some of those names again as this other case starts to pick up steam I have no again. I have no proof of that, but I Seem to think it would be difficult if these two investigations hadn't somehow Bumped into each other. Can you speak to the maybe we just got a look into the documents But if off the top of your head Speak to the weight that they're alleging in terms of cocaine because in these documents that I was looking at it says multi Kilograms, yeah, which what does that mean for three? What does that mean? Are we talking about hundreds? Like what what kind of yeah, I didn't get I didn't get I know you're pretty vague You're talking about but anytime you're talking about kilo weight when you're talking about wholesale. Yeah, I would think yeah but and if you're getting if you're plug again based on What we've heard nothing is Been proven yet, but if if your plug is in the Caribbean and you're making trips down there My guess is he ain't going down there for a couple kilos Right, you're not going down there to negotiate a two kilo deal or a four kilo deal. It's by the way This is just something, you know global organized crime Just something that I'm really interested in and I know you are but it seems like when we do episodes On it. No one else seems to be We work to it cartel thing. I just think it's it's it's just globally very significant important but It shows you that there are still some of those old school drug routes and whatever regardless of this case or not whether this turns out to be true, but Most of the coke is coming through the Southwest border, but not all of it Some of it is still coming through the old school Caribbean, Florida Especially some of the stuff that gets to the East Coast Yeah, we know comes up from those old traditional distribution routes Yeah distribution routes, which is kind of interesting because I think there's this sense now that oh it's it all comes through California in Arizona, Texas A lot of it does yeah, maybe most of it, but not not all of it Yeah, and again, especially when we're talking about proximity and on the East Coast or right down south where you're Actually probably closer to those areas and you would be the yeah the points of entry that are coming into California, Arizona, Texas Yeah, I think there are you know two Two big takeaways for me here One at least in New England and at least when it comes to Providence these LCN figures Appear to still remain a top priority for law enforcement out there, which I think is a Bit of an outlier when it comes to other areas and I think it's like right now, New York Philadelphia and Providence seem to be the areas where most of the law enforcement activity is going to put Buffalo in there. No, we're right Buffalo I'm sorry Buffalo. Yes right now When areas like Detroit and Chicago Don't seem to get that as much attention, right? Well, that's because there is no But when it comes to specifically these two Patriarchs if you will of the patriarchal crime family in Providence these two Real old-timers Eddie Lado and in Maddy Guglielmetti it seems like The ultimate goal for the government is to make it so that both Eddie and Maddy Live the final years of their lives behind bars and die in prison. They don't seem to be letting up on them just because they're Retirement age and you know the counter that would be well. They haven't retired. So why would we stop? You know pursuing them Both of these guys are convicted felons Eddie is really right now at the apex of his career, you know, he was a guy that was a Soldier then became a cop. Oh had never really been an administrator. I don't know if anyone really thought of him in his administrator I think a lot of people thought as a Who did he come up under who was like his Eddie? I believe Eddie came up Under the guy they called Mulligan Eddie Romano. I Could be miss those were always patriarch a guy patriarch a guy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah But Eddie's been around forever were these guys involved in the Civil War back in the with Cadillac well, they were Junior Guglielmetti was one of the people that was trying to make peace He was one of the guys that was like holding or participated in peace conferences and then when When One of the After one of the machinations in that war, I know that there was a meeting where Maddie was telling Everybody in Connecticut that had been kicking up to Boston was now kicking to him He had a meeting with like the whole Connecticut patriarch a crew at some point in the 90s Eddie Lado is in a more precarious position Right now, you know, you kind of you have the situation where you know, he's reached The highest levels of his career and I know that this is a guy that's a true blue gangster who Believes in the rules believes in the life But it According to what's it about? About parameters You take a beating for a friend Eddie still has a murder hanging over his head right now and I don't think that that murder will come up if He's included in this case. I I don't My gut tells me that there's a chance that just Dino might go down in this case And then they might be using the case to leverage Dino into cooperating against Maddie and Eddie I don't know but Eddie when he came out of prison and I believe he came out in 2019 There had been grand jury testimony around that time That Eddie was a shooter in the unsolved September 1992 gangland slain of Kevin Hanrahan Which is one of the more infamous unsolved murders in and New England mafia history Kevin Hanrahan was a Irish Strong arm that worked for the Italians very feared a guy that had Allegedly done hits for the patriarch is and it came out Recently, I mean relatively recently that we never knew for sure why Kevin Hanrahan was killed. He was killed. I believe it was September 18th 1992 in federal Hill or on federal Hill Leaving a steakhouse where he was meeting with members of organized crime and told them he had to go Hook up with someone to grab his piece of a score. I Said I'll you know, I'll meet you guys at this bar down the street and Left the steakhouse and I think you know went less than a hundred yards and Was killed by two masks. I can't remember was that related to the politics or was that a personal? Okay, so what's a mean right? So we didn't know until recently and it comes out that it was related to the politics Okay, I think for a long time the belief was that he was just muscling in on Stuff that wasn't his so they killed him, but that's not what came out And I apologize for for jumping around and throwing out all these names at you again But a lot of this information came out when Cadillac Frank was finally brought to justice for the Stevie DeSauro murder I want to tease something out with that. I think at some point in the next month We're gonna do a deep dive into into the Stevie DeSauro murder because it's a 30 year anniversary right now Stevie DeSauro was a nightclub owner that was in business with Cadillac Frank and his son They believe that he was gonna flip so they killed him. They buried him Underneath a piece of property in Providence back in 1993 The guy that owned that property gets busted in 2016 Which is 20 almost 25 years later for for for Growing marijuana at that point marijuana had not been legalized a growing marijuana at that piece of property He's looking at jail time and he goes for his get out of jail free card basically like You want to know what's underneath this? converted textile mill that I'm Growing my marijuana in there's a dead body in there from 25 years ago so they dug the body up Cadillac Frank gets arrested eventually convicted, but Cadillac Frank's Kind of right-hand man Bobby DeLuca aka Bobby the cigar He's involved in it as well. He becomes the star witness against Salemi But within his debriefing He has to cop to other cases and he cops to his role in the Kevin Hand-in-hand murder and fills in the details about what was going on. So what was going on was? Raymond patriarch a senior dies in 84 Hands over the organization of Raymond patriarch a junior who is just a complete and utter disaster as a mob boss Had no respect Was someone that Couldn't get along with people couldn't The the guys in Boston hated him the guys in Providence didn't love him He eventually goes down In a federal racketeering case and I guess according to Bobby DeLuca in his grand jury testimony While patriarch a junior is in prison in 1993 he's trying to organize some type of palace coup and He reaches out to Hanrahan who was one of his dad's main muscle and Gives Hanrahan and it sounds crazy coming from Raymond patriarch a junior because he this was not a violent mob boss He was from he was me But according to DeLuca Raymond patriarch a junior puts out hit contracts on Cadillac Frank and Baby shacks Minocchio who was Cadillac Frank's underboss at that time and gives the contracts to Hanrahan Which is also interesting because initially Cadillac Frank was patriarch a juniors guy, right? So there's all sorts of duplicity and double-crossing and the only reason Cadillac Frank got made Right because he couldn't get made before because Cadillac Frank had to go away to prison for 15 years for blowing up a lawyer that they thought was about to Cooperate against patriarch a senior patriarch a senior used Cadillac Frank on numerous hits But would never make him because Cadillac Frank was half Irish, right? Old man patriarch or dies Young patriarch comes in and the shirt the sharks are circling. He needs Muscle he needs a politician. He needs someone to basically be his Be his his junkyard dog. Yeah, and he taps Salemi make Salemi Sends him to Boston says you're in charge of Boston right now the guys in Boston don't like it and it War erupts, which was another interesting layer. I know we're but it is all new England But because Cadillac Frank was a Boston guy not liked in Boston right aligned with Providence Even though he was and then and then when Cadillac Frank becomes boss and he's living in Boston Who does he surround himself with not Italians? Yeah, all the Irish guys and he aligns with the whitey Bolger Winterhill group and his group of at least his first layer of protection the guys that were his bodyguards and drivers were all young Irish guys Yeah, I love that that era. It's It's so fascinating that whole that whole once old man patriarch a dies through the 90s It's really fascinating the politics of that. It didn't I mean it was a it was probably 15 years of De-stabilization and then ties into the whole Bolger FBI stuff. It's really interesting baby shacks Was able to calm everything down and he was a great boss But Bobby DeLuca did not like baby shacks Bobby DeLuca had a real issue with baby shacks and began cooperating because he didn't like baby shacks But just like Salemi They cut their first cooperation deal without Giving all of the information that they didn't fully disclose They they both get pulled out of witness protection and have to do the whole thing again Bobby DeLuca now is back in witness protection But getting back to why we started talking about this in the first place Bobby DeLuca goes on the stand in a grand in multiple grand juries between 2017 and 2020 and Points the finger at Eddie Lado for being one of the triggermen in that Kevin Hanrahan hit He names the other trigger man as Rocco Argenti who went by the nickname shaky who was baby shacks Concillary before he died of cancer Yeah, and Hanrahan was was murdered on the street in September 92 FBI surveillance Caught Eddie Lado Bobby DeLuca Rocco Argenti and some other leaders within minutes of the murder well, let's say with a half hour of the murder they were seen at a Providence bar kind of huddled in a booth Presumably talking about what had just happened. There was a lot of belief three or four years ago That Eddie Lado wasn't gonna walk out of prison that he was gonna be released from his extortion Sentence and immediately Indicted on the Hanrahan hit, but that never happened. So who tipped off? Cadillac Frank and those guys that Hanrahan got we don't know somehow it somehow someone tipped them off somehow Baby shacks and Cadillac Frank got tipped off that Hanrahan had contract or yeah Patriarch Virginia had contracts on their heads and that Kevin Hanrahan was the one that was trying to carry them out So it was the preemptive. Yeah, and I guess one of the One of the things that Bobby DeLuca told them or that they had heard was that Hanrahan was gonna find where Cadillac Frank and baby shacks were meeting one day and put a bomb in a suitcase I'm like drop the suitcase Wherever they were and then leave and then detonate the bomb and then I think there was another story about trying to use like a I Don't even know if they used the term drone back then but like a remote radio remote-controlled airplane that had Munitions in it and fly it into Pretty creative baby shacks headquarters or whatnot so I Know that Lado has been on the fringes of this current investigation He's been outed by the government as the new underboss so that shows that he has some real standing right now he's been named as being up at these Christmas parties that I Presumably, he's hosting. I mean Maddie are hosting that that Dino Has been at but unlike Maddie Google Maddie where you have a lot of connections between Dino and Maddie I haven't seen the connections between Dino and Eddie So I don't know You know where Eddie stands with all this like I I I would Bet good money that Dino will be indicted for this In this cocaine distribution case It will be really interesting to see where this puts Maddie and Eddie Whether they're in the indictment whether like I said before they're trying to use it to leverage Dino against them But the other thing I wanted to point out as a takeaway here was that word on the street is that Dino was a part of a new induction class for The New England La Cosa Nostra at some point in the last four or five years Probably sometime the last two or three years That there was about a half a dozen Providence guys and I've got this from Both sides of the law. I've heard this from a dozen people the names of who's who were actually inducted very but That this was a group that came in under Eddie and Maddie in Providence I Heard from people that I trust That Boston had nothing to do with this that Maddie and Eddie brought these guys in had whatever permission from Boston to bring them in and made them in Providence, but then I heard from another source a really really good source Who pushes back on that and says if that's true if this handful of guys from Providence Have been made in the last couple years. There's no way Maddie and Eddie would have just done it themselves They would have had to bring them to Boston, which is kind of been SOP dating back to patriarcha Where I believe Jerry and Julo who was the underboss to patriarcha in Boston He was doing the mate. I don't think Raymond was even doing the makings They would send people like Matt for instance good-looking Maddie It's in a court filing that good-looking Maddie was part of an induction class in 1978 Where there was like eight of them and these were guys that were very close to patriarcha and they Took a trip into the north end from Providence and were made by Jerry Raymond was not present What was the one the infamous case that they caught on wire to the 89? Induction ceremony in Boston that they caught. Yeah, which was almost a way to end the war Which was Salemi was on one end of the war and the Boston guys were on the other end with JR Russo was kind of the Boston elder statesman who was representing the disenfranchised Boston group and the Raymond, Jr. Was basically told by JR Russo You're gonna step down and Before you step down you're gonna make five of my guys You're gonna Appoint me to be the conciliary and if you don't do these three things. I'm going to kill you and This was there was a meeting I guess I took place at a jewelry store in Providence the back room of the jewelry store and according to people that were at the meeting Raymond, Jr. Started crying Like broke down in tears So that was the result of that was this making ceremony in October of 1989 Where they bugged the house where they knew the making ceremony was gonna go on and they got the whole thing on tape and within a couple weeks Everybody was where was the house though? What was it? Which is like a suburb and met and mess just met first and right outside of Boston. Yeah So I don't what's what's your take on if if Dino is made Do you think this is something that does it make sense that it would just be a Providence thing or Um, we've been hearing rumblings about that in Philadelphia in Detroit the these idea of these kind of Making ceremonies that You no longer have the joint family that it's sort of more regional or by crew Oh, and and there's there seems to be consensus that the boss still has to sign off on it So it's not like it's a totally rogue thing, but that It's not the kind of traditional Everyone's there at least in the hierarchy or at least Because like you point out it wasn't uncommon even back in the day for the boss to not be there, right? But at least Concillary under boss some of the captains from from the different factions would be there That's definitely the protocol as you as you point out So the trend seems to be and we've talked about in here before the trend seems to be a Allegiance to your crew or your crew boss as opposed to allegiance to the whole family Well, and I think part of that is by design because the the whoever the bosses wants insulation And so the the least kind of direct contact they have with these different crews the better so some of it is by is by design and You know when you talk to some people on the street at least within some organizations It's by design in the case that in some tight cases crews don't even know guys in in other crews And left hand doesn't know what the right and that's on again That's on purpose so that if someone there's a chink in the armor and somebody flips They can't bring the whole the whole thing down because they don't they're not privy to the whole you know everything That's going on everywhere. I want to bring something else out and throw it at you because I think this is kind of a Maybe a microcosm or maybe it's a Unicorn or you know Represent something that doesn't normally happen, but just it's happening in in this city or this scenario, but it seems like someone like Dino gomet Doesn't need a button Doesn't need to be affiliated with organized crime that he can make a good deal of money in His you know if he wants to do illegal activity he can carve out a nice living without any of the Fanfare or heat or scrutiny that come from hanging out with guys like good-looking Maddie Guglia-Maddie and little Eddie Lado As I mentioned, you know, he's relatively young. He's 40 I think he's 44 or 45 years old It it I guess the point of making is it at least in Providence there appears to still be some cachet or glitzy sex appeal to having Getting made or getting a button even if it doesn't really Improve your bottom line like your bottom line is gonna be the same You're still gonna be making a lot of money. You just be able to have a status symbol Well in in criminology we talk about these like concentric circles like predisposition and opportunity and some guys have You know the predisposition and the opportunity but we know there are cases where they still turn it down, right? So where they say it's brings too much heat. I'm not going to do it but for some other guys again with the predisposition like If they're predisposed they grow up in that environment and that there's meaning to them Like like one thing that we talked about a lot in criminology. We don't really get into too much with Cousin Oscar But we talked about Bikers or street gangs its identity formation like it's really important Terms of the psychology of why would you be part of this kind of organization? It's not always purely entrepreneurial Yeah, like there's the social psychological component to it that it's part of your identity It means something to you if you grew up in this environment To your point obviously there is the entrepreneurial component But it's not only that like but other other guys in the past would get their button because it gave them a license and steel Yeah gave them a license to go and use the button to get rich and you're on and now a little Reminds me a little bit of bingey or a lotta in Springfield on this was 20 years ago But that's another example of bingey was rolling in money before he ever took an oath I mean bingey was was probably Wealthier or as wealthy as any button in Springfield when he was in his 20s But he still felt compelled when he had an opportunity when the New York guy said we want to make you Yeah, even though that's gonna put a bigger target on your back, right, but it's it symbolically Yeah, it was it meant something to him. There's something symbolic about it, which is a is a sociological Phenomenon, but yeah, there's there's some guys that we know that the only reason why they get their button is Because they understand it's it's an opportunity to further their that they really aren't really caught up too much in the mystique and the And that kind of shit, but for some guys that's still really important that the you know to have that kind of affiliation It's part of your identity, you know and as we wrap up here I think that Cities like Providence, Boston and Philadelphia and maybe Buffalo, we don't know what their The status of their Making ceremonies, we just know that there's a lot more guys there than we anticipated But at least when it comes to New England and Philadelphia, it seems like those are two families the patriarcha the Bruno Scarfield family that are And I'm not counting New York because New York is like a machine They're never gonna stop, but it seems like these two groups in the 2020s are very Are acting in a sense of urgency to be Infusing their organizations with new blood on a pretty because I've heard and I want to end just I know that we're This is a Providence-centric episode, but let's just do a quick Update on what's going on in Boston with the patriarcha's You know, just like I heard there was a new Initiate class the last couple years in Providence. I've heard that, you know quite a few younger guys in Boston over the last the five years have been made including Relatives of the denuncio brothers younger guys guys in their 30s and 40s It's it just seems like I'm gonna bring out a term from college football like where they say in the SEC it just means more It's like it it seems like in some of these cities Continuing the legacy continuing the traditions as opposed to like a Detroit in Chicago who I think Not that the organizations are dead or dying, but they're a lot They're a lot they're more hesitant to bring guys in yeah, and even with some Sometimes bringing guys in that are the sort of legacy, you know people that are relatives There's a whole spectrum of behavior There's some guys that are that are made and it really is a lot of it almost all of it is symbolic and hardly any of its entrepreneurial at all in the sense of Your dad grandfather your uncle and so like you're expected to go your dad owns a grocery store And your your great-granddad started it and your dad ran it now That's what you're that's what you're gonna and so it probably does help in terms of networking and context even in the legitimate world Right, and so I mean I think you see that with with some of the Detroit guys who like Aren't Necessarily what we think of as gangsters, but they have their buttons because of because of their the legacy and the and the To this idea of like keeping this thing with tradition going But they're not necessarily gangster, so I don't know about what these Boston guys what they're Again, there's a whole spectrum of behavior from like pure gangster to guys that are more like sort of what was what's Georgia's term like racketeering, right? Difference well the difference. Well, I think one of the greatest You know kind of anecdotes I heard from from Phil Vianetti when I sat with him You know he it's not like he was He was really saying something his uncle used to say but I had I hadn't really ever heard it before We was like, you know Scott there's a difference between a gangster and a racketeer I think there's real Criminological value in that kind of analysis I think that's a good way to put it and then even within those spectrum like you can even cut up more where there's like racketeers And there's like racketeering light, right? You know guys with Georgia in a stage are like when you're bringing a case and it's just you know, basically gambling Yeah, it's called racketeering light. Yeah, and there are no baseball. No, sorry not baseball They're no basketball or basketball sentences where you're going away for 30 40 50 years, right? So in Boston right now, I believe the denunzio's are still kind of the final Say, but I have heard that another one of these og spucky Spagnolo could be the street boss right now Could be the kind of the day-to-day Overseer But the denunzio's are they're still, you know, they're still forces to be reckoned with they're relatively younger guys in their early 60s and They got a lot of younger guys That look up to them guys in the north end Like I said guys that are in their 30s from 40s probably early 50s right now So it doesn't look like they have bench issues. They seem to have a pretty long bench And then finally I will say we'd be remiss not to tie our boys from Philadelphia in here The Philadelphia New England crew which I'm told Is in both Boston and Providence these days Is active and this was a group that The Merlino crew Activated in the late 90s. This is another lightning rod on some of these online forums people that don't that I mean it is I think you're making this up. Oh, yeah, I mean I don't know how you can say I'm making this up First of all, we have a first way first of all this the fact you're saying that I'm making up that it's That it's been rehabilitated not yet. Yeah, right, right? It's undisputed that it existed I mean it was in multiple federal court filings and we've had we see on our show the capo of that group Right Bobby, Louisa. Yeah, right. So there's there's the a There there seems to be a a contingent online that has a lot of problems with a lot of stuff I report but they they don't believe right that that in the last four or five years or five six seven years that that group has Come back right but what I will say to that is Well then explain why Sean veteri Who was one of Bobby Luisi's guys and Was convicted of being a part of that New England crew representing the Philadelphia mob Why is Sean veteri coming to Philadelphia so much? Why does the FBI have surveillance photos of Sean veteri visiting the Philadelphia mob clubhouse? Why do they have? Videos of him going to the weddings of the daughters and the nieces of these guys So is he just coming into Philadelphia because he wants to go see the Liberty Bell. Yeah, he likes the Philly steaks Right and I know I got some grief from some people with reporting that He was at the what was dubbed by government by the government as like as the capo's table at the I Said it was a wedding. I misspoke it was an engagement party You got to be you know very clear with these guys an engagement party that he was at at the capo's table and the only reason I want to bring this up as we close this episode is because Allegedly the the impetus to get this crew back up and moving after it had gone dormant in 2000 it has been gone dormant for about a decade and a half Maddie googly and Maddie was locked up with Georgie Borghese who was Joy Marlino's one of his best friends alleged to be the acting boss of Philly right now and I'm told that Because of that relationship that was Built in prison that Maddie now in providence is overseeing that New England crew as opposed to like Bobby Louisie back in the day who was overseeing it out of Boston and that Sean vetery is the guy that they have in Boston Maddie oversees the the guys that are loyal Philly in providence and Again something that you can't dispute we can talk about what it means But what is undisputed is that there's a guy from Philadelphia who lives in westerly Rhode Island and owns a pizza shop there and in that pizza shop Allegedly there's quite a bit of meetings that go on Between Philadelphia guys and New England guys. There's a lot of Philadelphia guys going to get an audience with Maddie I'm still this is the whole nother issue, but I'm still surprised that patriarica family allowed that Allows that maybe because it's lucrative or whatever, but it's just unusual for Well, I heard family to allow another family to set up shop literally in their backyard Even if you're getting a piece of it, it's just it's I heard there was an issue or there was some type of sit-down in the last Couple years with the Boston guys were going to Maddie being like you got to give us more money from this Like if this is going on, yeah, we're not seen enough, right. I remember that. Yeah, I mean, I guess You know there is president. I think this was but this caused a lot of tension was Bruno allowing the Gambino's to come down and that was literally their bed That was Philly territory Atlantic City Cherry Hill even Philly this the Cherry Hill Gambino guys had action in Philly I'll tell you one of the things I'm most eager for if this case ever in snares Maddie Gugliometti We have a lot of photo Images and video of Dino. There's quite a bit of Eddie Lado even more recently of Eddie Lado But I don't believe there has been any video footage or mug shots that I've seen a Maddie Gugliometti in a good You know All the photos you can get of him my line are from the 80s and early 90s I'd be really interested in what Maddie Gugliometti looks like right now He's probably good-looking good-looking guy keep probably kept his head of hair and so we're gonna that's it for this episode I enjoyed breaking down what was going on Providence We'll probably do another episode when this if this case actually hits this year do an update I have a line out to a Another former member of law enforcement in Providence and retired FBI agent. We love Steve O'Donnell. He was great And hopefully he'll join us in the future But I got another guy that I want to bring on at some point in the next couple months. So I love New England. I I Got family roots there spent a lot of my time of my a lot of time in my life in Boston Providence area I considered a second home. It's a nice area I love and I think this this aspect of it the underworld is landscape is really fascinating in that that region So we'll we're glad we could give you this episode. We had a lot of people asking for it So I hope you guys enjoyed it for Benny behind the glass and the doctor Jimmy Bucci Lotto. I'm Scott Bernstein og pod out