 Coming up on DTNS, Unreal Engine 5 looks gorgeous and is generous. Facebook gives money and benefits to moderators after a lawsuit and things nobody should be doing on a video conference call. Stop. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, May 13th, 2020 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood. I'm Sarah Lane. It's all Lake City. I'm Scott Johnson. And I'm Roger Chang. The show's pretty sweet. We were just taking a look at devices both old and new from Sarah Lane and Scott Johnson, including the Magic Keyboard, and talking about our love for very small and very large things. If you want that wider conversation, you got to get the expanded show, Good Day Internet. Become a member at patreon.com slash DTNS. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. France voted to approve a law on Wednesday, which requires large tech platforms to remove pedophile and terrorism-related content within an hour or face a fine of up to 4% of global revenue for the company. Other content defined as manifestly illicit must be revamped within 24 hours. Wow, Sony announced during its earnings that PlayStation 5 is still on track to release in time for the holiday 2020 shopping season. The company also does not see any major problems in game development for the platform. Sony reported a 57% quarterly drop in operating profit due mostly to a drop in consumer electronics and gaming spending, but less than it could have been as gaming sales have picked up in the final month of the quarter and people increased gaming spending because of lockdowns. Instagram announced in a blog post it's rolling out new features designed to fight online bullying in conjunction with Facebook's release of its May Community Standards Enforcement Report. We talked about that report yesterday. Users can now delete comments in bulk to reduce negative interactions and control who can mention or tag them with a choice of everyone, only people you follow and no one. Instagram also will start testing pinned comments to help users set the tone for their account and engage with their community by pinning comments to the top of threads. Alphabet's Loone has signed a deal with Vodacom to deliver balloon-based internet to Mozambique. This is Loone's second commercial deal. The first is in neighboring Kenya. We talked about that on the show recently, meaning that balloons can be shared across both markets because the countries, you know, they're near each other. Loone will become and will start installing ground relay infrastructure in the Mozambique provinces of Cabo, Delgado and Nyasa and bring flying balloons to train algorithms for stable positions over Mozambique as well as switching to Kenyan service and back as they float between the countries. The information reports that Mark Lavoie, who was responsible for the Google Pixel Cam, left the company in March, notably following the departure of Pixel General Manager Mario Cueros in less than a year. The upcoming Pixel 4a is reported to cost $399 and may launch as part of a live stream Google is hosting around the Android 11 public beta on June 3rd. However, the information notes disappointing Pixel sales, only a 2 million pixel unit shipped over the last six months that it was available. And that, according to IDC's estimates, it had just 3% market share of the U.S. smartphone market last year. Don't you listen to him, Pixel, you're fine. Dell announced new XPS 15 and XPS 17 laptops, both models now have 1610 display ratios and all USB-C ports. We have hit the USB-C generation of hardware. The XPS 15 has new 10th gen Intel processors, models with the GeForce GTX 1650 Ti Max-Q graphics, along with a 15.6 inch display with a more than 4K 3840 x 2400 resolution, has two Thunderbolt USB-C ports, one USB-C 3.1 port and a full-size SD card reader shipping today, starting at $1,300. Dell claims the XPS 17 and its 17 inch screen is smaller than half of all 15 inch laptops because of its thin bezel. It also comes with either the Nvidia GTX 1650 Ti Max-Q or the RTX 2060. It has four Thunderbolt ports with USB-C, a full-size SD card reader, and a vapor chamber for chip cooling. XPS 17 will be available this summer, starting at $1,500. You thought Dell was done? It is not. But first, starting May 18, Uber will include an online checklist of things like wearing a mask, washing hands that drivers and riders will both have to answer before a ride gets started. Make sure everybody's on the same page here. Uber will also limit the number of passengers allowed in a car and add a face mask verification feature to the driver app. So basically, you're scanning your face and making sure that it's actually there. Riders, drivers, and Uber eats restaurants will also have the option to report unsafe behavior. Drivers and riders who cancel trips for unsafe behavior will not be penalized. Yeah, Uber went and announced these and disrupted our beautiful transition from all those Dell XPS business laptops to a bunch of Alienware laptops. Tell us about those, Sarah. Oh, I'd love to. Dell announced a new Alienware area, 51M, M17, and M15. They're all gaming laptops with Intel's 10th Gen processors. The Area 51M R2 has options for Intel's desktop processors, including its Core i9 10900X chip with 3.7 gigahertz base speed that can boost up to 5.3 gigahertz. GPU options include the RTX 2080 Super and the AMD Radeon RX 5700M. Like the first Area 51M, you can use the Dell Graphics Form Factor to upgrade your laptop's GPU later, although the R2 modules won't work on the R1. There's also faster RAM options and various NVMe and SSD storage options as well as the display with a 300Hz refresh rate, 3ms response rate, and 500 nits of brightness at 4K. The Area 51M R2 is available on June 8th, starting at $3,050. The other 10th Gen Intel models are the Alienware M15 R3, starting at $1,500, and the M17 R3 at $1,550, coming on May 21st. So, bunch of new laptops from Dell, both the XPS series and the Alienware series, and the Alienware series got just beefing up the specs, really. Yeah, the specs are pretty beefy, or Buffy, as I was going there. It's pretty impressive. I wish the name was different. MR2 sounds like the car I owned in high school. Oh, you had an MR2? I loved those. Yeah, that was a great car, and I loved it. Book struts all the time, it was fine. But overall, these are really beefy specs. These are going to be machines that are going to last you a very long time and do a lot of really heavy lifting when it comes to modern gaming on PCs. And I don't think you're going to need one of those modules until they have another model out that won't use the old modules again. So, those modules are, I'm kind of up and down on those on the one hand. I'm like, yes, finally, these are some reasonable ways to keep your notebook or your laptop choice in somewhat upgradeable condition. But on the other hand, as we've learned here, these new modules aren't going to work with the old notebooks. Maybe the old modules will with the new ones. We haven't been able to verify that. But if you want to be a gamer on the go and don't want to worry so much about having a big desktop rig to worry about, this seems all right. And at that price, $30.50 with those specs, it's not bad considering what's inside that thing. Yeah, the modular GPU is best for like, I want to get in on the ground floor with this, but I want the option to upgrade that GPU later once I've saved up. But I'm going to keep this laptop for a while, right? The module isn't like, I will now be future proof forever because I can just keep swapping out because as we can see, the R1 can't get the newer radions or the RTX that are offered for the R2. But yeah, nice looking specs. What could you possibly run on these gaming laptops that would take advantage of all of that, Scott? That is a classic transition for Tom Merritt. Epic has announced its Unreal Engine 5. I'll bet that'll run on this with a demo running on a PlayStation 5, interestingly enough, showing off its level of detail and photorealistic lighting. Unreal Engine's full launch will happen in late 2021 with support for current next generation consoles, PC, Mac, iOS and Android. Epic also announced it will let developers keep all royalties on the first $1 million in sales generated by games made with the Unreal Engine before taking its 5 percent. That change is retroactive to January 1st. Epic is also releasing its free Epic Online Services Platform SDK which lets developers add multi-platform management. What's amazing about this engine, and I recommend people watch this thing in 4K on YouTube or somewhere with a good quality cut of the video, watch online minutes, listen to it because they have a lot to say, but also there's some really cool spatial audio stuff going on. Your mind will be blown. We were all a little bit worried that this generation of new consoles and for that matter, new generation of PC games were not necessarily going to see a giant leap that we'd kind of hit the top of that curve of innovation and we were just sort of going to iterate from there. And in some ways that's true, but this is truly impressive and someone's going to naysay to you and say, I don't know, demos are just demos. Who knows what it's like in the real world? They've been pretty consistent. Unreal 4, when it was shown off, people were blown away by that demo. And very quickly, the games looked just like it or better. So I think this is a huge day for people that are excited about fidelity and growth in that space. And if you want to really nerd out about the specs, they go pretty deep and why it looks as good as it does. The lighting, which they call Lumen, the, I forgot what they call their new texture technology. They love the triangles, Tom. They talked about triangles to their faces blue. So if you like triangles, that demo is for you. Yeah, Nanite, which is the tool that virtualizes the geometry, is impressive. Lumen for the film quality source light is just crazy. Like these are delicious technologies, but as impressive as they are, I'm actually more impressed about Epic staying ahead of the game. They made a big move when they made Unreal Engine available for free and said, we'll just take 5% of your sales. You never sell a game. It's fine. We'll just take a percentage of what you sell. Now they're increasing that and saying, look, if you don't sell a lot, like less than a million dollars, it's fine. We don't even want to bother with the accounting for that. Only if big games, only million dollars in sales, will we bother taking the 5%. That's not going to lose on Epic a lot of money, and it's going to build them a lot of goodwill. Yeah, and it's a, I think it's a really smart move for them because the ubiquity of the engine is what they want out of this. If everything is based on Unreal, and a lot of things already are, they're already the leader in the market. Others like Unity and others, they do their best, but Unreal kind of owns the engine market. This will just help solidify that. They're making money in lots of other ways now. Fortnite being the biggest generator they've made in a long time with their own games. So you're going to see more of their own development come out of this. Their store on PC is doing better than people expected. So yeah, they're going to be fine. And also their tech seems to be as cutting as you can get at the moment. And I for one, I'm very excited. Yeah, and we should ensure change that Epic online services, letting people do that cross-platform thing they do with Fortnite as an SDK as well. All right, Facebook has agreed in San Mateo Superior Court to pay a total of $52 million as a class action lawsuit settlement to current and former content moderators to compensate them for mental health issues related to their moderation duties. So this is a combination of damages and also reparations, helping them buy treatments, pay for treatment. So each of the 11,250 moderators in the class will receive a minimum of $1,000. About half may be eligible for additional compensation because the $1,000 is like spend it on whatever you want. We think you should spend it on treatment, but we won't bother to certify that. But if you have a diagnosis that is more complex, you could get additional compensation that would increase that amount to $1,500 to $6,000. And there's even certain qualifying diagnosis that could potentially receive up to $50,000 in damages. Now, like all class action lawsuits, the amounts may be reduced depending on the number of members of the class who apply and the number of people who qualify for those larger amounts. But Facebook isn't just stopping at money. They also agreed to changes to the moderation tools and mental health care offerings, both for their full-time and contractor employments. And members of the class may now comment on this agreement. It's not done yet. The members get to say whether they like it before a judge rules on final approval by the end of the year. When I first saw this story this morning, I was like $1,000 for somebody who is jarred for life based on content that they saw is not going to, it will not fix anything. However, this is a good thing that Facebook is doing. Well, the lawyers, where it's being forced to do, but this is a good step in the right direction as far as, not just giving people some change especially for health care, but to just bring awareness to the fact that this is a really hard job. Not everybody's cut out for it. Even the people that maybe are cut out for it the most are going to have residual issues. It's tough stuff. Well, what's the solution? We've talked about it in the past. Like, all right, let's get the bots in there. Let's get AI to make sure that these humans don't have to do this anymore. It's too hard on us. Well, we're not there yet either. So, and the people who are posting really bad content that moderators have to filter out of Facebook, they're not going away either. So again, it's kind of like, all right, well, this is a pretty good outcome, I suppose, but a very short step in a long journey. Yeah, they're screening applicants now for emotional resiliency. They're providing way more aggressive opportunities for psychological support, changing images and videos to black and white, muting audio in certain situations. This is a crisis job. This is a very risky job to your mental health. They're finally recognizing that and treating it appropriately. Well, let's talk about buying a new tablet. Scott, I know you've got your fancy magic keyboard, but guess what? Amazon has updated its 8-inch Fire HD 8 tablet with a lot of new specs. The processor goes from 1.3 GHz to 2 GHz, RAM up from 1.5 Gb to 2 Gb storage, doubles to either 32 or 64 Gb, and the port is now USB-C. The display starts at $1,280 by $800, and battery life is estimated about 12 hours. That price also rose from $80 to $90, though you can buy two for $160. There's also a Kids Edition that includes a kid-proof case, two-year replacement program, and free year of parental controls for $140. There's also a new Fire HD 8 Plus with 3 Gb of RAM and wireless G-Charging for $110. You can get that one bundled with a wireless charging dock for $140. I hope you're taking notes. You can order all the Fire HD tablets now and the L-SHIP on June 3rd. Yeah, thankfully, we wrote it all down for you in our show notes at DailyTechNewsShow.com. We were talking about before the show in our production meeting, like, why are people so excited about these tablets? Because it's like all over the place today. Everybody's like, oh, new Fire Tablets. And it came down to kids. Fire TV tablets. Tablets in general are good for keeping kids busy and the parental controls, especially that offering of a kid-proof case, very compelling. Yeah, these are also rugged. They tend to take a beating. So if you're going to take a long trip, I don't know, a lot of people aren't doing that right now, but when you do, you can have a bang around the van a little bit and get dropped a few times and that sort of thing. And that case certainly helps. So yeah, it's perfect for those looking for that sort of thing. Spatial, I talked about Spatial Audio earlier. Now let's talk about Spatial, the company at spatial.io, is making a virtual meeting room technology available for free on more platforms. Spatial was previously available for headsets like Microsoft's HoloLens and Reel, Magic Leap, and will now be available on the iPhone, Android, and Oculus Quest, as well as the web. Spatial creates a 3D avatar that lets users in VR and AR devices move around in virtual meeting rooms and interact with objects. Web and other phone users can see and hear what's happening but not grab objects in the world. This thing seemed super cool this morning on the morning show or on the morning stream. Tom was there for a segment and we went ahead and had our co-host, my co-host, Brian Ibbitt, make his own avatar, which you can just do online and then pull it into the world and you log in with your Oculus Quest and boom, you're that guy. It was a little uncanny valley, but I was blown away by this. I think this might be a really nice step in the direction of, hey, we have a need of a tool in VR and AR that's like for serious meetings and not just for goofing around or playing games. Yeah, this is interesting because the news hook here is that it's now free before you had to pay for it, but also that they're making it accessible to folks who don't have specialized equipment. So if you don't have a HoloLens, if you haven't paid a couple thousand dollars for that, you can just sign up for this and use it on your phone. Now, as you mentioned, that means you're going to be a 2D screen, you're not going to get the full functionality, but that encourages adoption because the folks who have an Oculus Quest, Sarah Lane, for instance, you might say, well, let's meet in here because a few of us will be able to collaborate and take advantage of this virtual world and we won't leave people out. At least they'll be able to see what is going on and talk to us about it. Yeah, and it depends on what your meeting is about. You know, that kind of Brady Bunch grid that we've all gotten used to is like, okay, well, that sometimes works fine, whether you have two people or 100 people in a meeting. But it often, maybe you're showing off something. Maybe there, yeah, there's, I don't know, a little bit more of kind of a personal situation going on that would benefit a lot more from this. The spatial stuff that I saw, it was hard for me not to be like, I mean, look at the bodies, they look really bad, like the rendering is bad, like it's not 30 frames per second, but I think I'm being- Yeah, the legs. Yeah, that too. They're floating. This isn't real. That's not me. But I think that it is a step in the right direction of, listen, if virtual medians are going to become a thing that we all just deal with in the future, not even because we're all stuck at home, but because it just makes more sense for a lot of companies, you do want something that is beyond that Brady Bunch grid. And this is a really good example of where it is going. Yeah, I think so. I think so too. I just, I would only say one other thing and that is that previous to this, there are plenty of things you can do this in, right? Lots of little meeting room things and game rooms and stuff where you can hang out and see avatars of each other and hear each other's voice. But they all look like garbage. And even though this looks weird, this at least looks like people and the faces of the people you want to meet with. And I think you can get work done. So here's hoping that's true. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. Well, until we're all meeting virtually, we're going to have to deal with meeting over Zoom, Skype, Meet, et cetera. And CNET's Allison Denisco-Rayom has an article titled, Zoom Etiquette. You've probably broken at least one of these video chat rules. So join us as we condemn everyone who's broken these rules and then suffer silently as we realize the one that we have broken. First of all, typing when not muted or other sounds like basically not muting yourself in a conference call and having the kids barking, the dogs making noise or vice versa. But particularly, even if you don't have any other noisemakers around, just type in a way, tapity tap, I know, I'm the one who does this. I'm going to admit to this one right off. Well, that's because you insist on having one of those real hard, typey keyboards. I just type really loud too. Well, that too. I don't, I mean, ASDF, but no, it's funny because that first tip was, I was like, oh no, the issue is somebody mutes themself and then they forget to unmute themself. And the rest of us are like, restart your computer. Oh my gosh, we're about to be live kind of thing. So it does go both ways. No, that's the corollary to this. Not only mute yourself, but also don't forget to unmute. Or, and a lot of these you can turn on mute automatically and in Zoom, you can like hold down the space bar to talk or in like things like Discord, you can turn on the push to talk optionality or even have it just detect your voice. So you're muted unless it hears you start talk. So use that, use that feature. Also pay attention to what people can see. You don't want the camera pointed up your nostrils. You don't want distracting or even inappropriate things in your background on a poster that's fine when you're home alone, but not in a business conference. You don't want them to see only half your face. Remember to dress appropriately. They can see what you're wearing. And the solution to this is just take a moment to determine the shot before you join a meeting. Look at what's in your background. Look at what people will see. And you might need to stand your camera or your laptop up on a box or some books and pay attention to your lighting. You might want to move the lamp around or close or open the blinds. Yeah, I mean, don't go ahead. I was going to say don't feel bad if at right at first this stuff doesn't come naturally to you. You don't feel like you thought of all these tips because I was just noting earlier in our production meeting and I'll say it again, in the last month and a half I have seen some celebrities who normally are, you know, the people we all look at go wow. We're as good as them and you see them on their webcams not really following many of these rules. They're just like us. They're regular old people. And my point of that is not to say, oh man, with the wrong lights, he sure just looks like a bunch of scrubby regulars. My point is they don't know either, right? Like they're used to having a crew that works this out for them. And so they're all kind of everybody's kind of learning how to be home production people all of a sudden. And so these tips are great for that. Well, one way to stay ahead of that is to test things ahead of time. That's another one of these tips. So which is like if you're going to have to share your screen to do a test call with a colleague or a relative and figure out how to share your screen, don't waste the time in the meeting figuring out how to share the screen. All right. I think it's easy to sort of be like, well, okay. I mean, who really cares, right? You're trying to get your point across in the meeting. Yeah, you don't want to be yelling at your kids in the background and not muting yourself when that all happens. But there is a lot of aesthetic stuff that does help. For example, on this show right now, I'm wearing a top bun that's kind of cut off. Does anyone care? No, not for our purposes. But what if I was having a meeting with some people who, I was going to collab with on, I don't know, some hair dye line. You kind of have to read the room, know your audience, know what they expect. And I cannot tell you how many people recently either ingest or for serious were like, hey, Sarah, what kind of lights do you use for your podcast? Because I'm doing a lot of remote calls right now and I want to look as good as possible. That is a hot market. Yeah, the other thing to remember, and this one's going to sound like you're going to want to mock people, but you will find yourself forgetting this at some point. They can see you. Zoom particularly puts everybody up on the screen. And even though you're not talking, everyone can see you. And unlike a conference room, you don't know who's looking at you. So don't be eating or drinking or smoking in the middle of the meeting. Wait a second. Hold it right there. I can't smoke. Not anymore. Not during the meeting, Sarah. Just take it outside. Or probably more often, it's the person who's looking at their phone. And again, if you're in a conference room and everybody's looking at the speaker, that's one thing. But remember, everybody's looking at everyone in these meetings. So if you're sitting there yawning, looking at your phone, folks can see you. So turn the phone over. So it doesn't tempt you. Or explain, like, oh, I'm checking the numbers for the quarterly sales, right? And just be like, oh, OK, that's why they're doing that. Yeah, it's a whole keep in mind thing. Go ahead, Scott. I have one tip for parents. So I've been doing this long enough to know that sometimes your kids are going to bust in the room and they're going to go, especially right now, like during the pandemic, they're home with you. You're home with them and they want to come bug you. So if they come busting into the room, my advice is this, try to explain beforehand. It's good that dad needs his time in here and know not when to come in here. If that door is shut, don't come in. Have your rules. But if they do come in, just go ahead and embrace it for a second. It's OK. Let them kind of wander in like that weird CNN or that BBC video where that guy was trying to talk and his kids came wandering in and made faces and stuff. Sometimes you just got to like, all right, that's great. Say hi to everybody. OK, now back. That's the only way they're going to learn. So little parent tip that's going to happen. It's OK. It's a weird time, but they'll know better next time. Sorry. Yeah, I think that's a really good tip of like, just explain what you're doing. Like if you have an emergency, you know, if the dog's throwing up or the kid's taking a pee in the middle of the hallway, just say, like, I got to deal with something, you guys, sorry, and go. Don't just go. The example in the article was the exact opposite of that. Like kids don't pee in the hallway. The dog is, but the kid did. That's the way I wrote it in my notes to myself. Yeah. And no, but, but, but no, I'm with you. Like there are certain times where you're just like, sorry, I need a minute, please, you know, I'll be right back or I have to, you know, I have to ghost on you and then, you know, don't just wander off from your meeting. Like tell someone in chat what's going on or excuse yourself or something like that. So much of this also is just like, let's say we were all in a meeting, you know, around a big table and I got a phone call and I was like, oh, this is important guys. Be right back. Same thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's the same thing. A lot of it's just being aware, you know, if you've been on teleconferences before, you say your name. Same in a video conference. People don't necessarily know who you are. Like, I hate Tom Merritt here. I wanted to say this or this is a more advanced tip. Look at the camera, not at your screen when you're talking to people, because they will see you looking at them. You're looking at the screen as if you're looking at them. It looks like you're looking down. So that's a nice one if you just want to put a little cherry on top of your video conference presentation. You know what's a cherry on top of our whole show? Our community in Discord. Yes. That's what I'm talking about. You can join by linking to a Patreon account at patreon.com slash DTNS. Let's check out the mailbag. We got a good one from Kayden who actually wrote into us on Patreon. But you know, mailbag nonetheless. Thank you, Kayden, who says, just wanted to add a quick message to let Sarah know and Scott's on here too. So it works for Scott as well about supernatural VR on the Oculus Quest. It's an awesome workout game. Has beat saber beat by a mile. It's fun. It looks good with quality music and can be a super intense workout. Yeah, it seems like a very cool thing. I've not tried it. So there's a demo and it costs like 20 bucks a month. That would be my only warning is to make sure that it's going to have everything you're going to want out of your workout to pay that. A lot of people pay more than that to go to a gym. So if it's giving you that and more, maybe this is your gym membership and cancel anytime sort of thing. But people should know that. And that's exactly what it's priced at. Yeah, like 20 bucks a month. I mean, I'm sort of like, am I going to be able to hold weights? But I would be holding my, you know, like Quest. Like that doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, but I'm not knocking it because I haven't tried it. I have looked at some reviews and everyone is like, this is awesome. Wish the price is more like $5 a month. So it's called Supernatural. But it's not about vampires. It's about exercise. That's not about brother. Not about hot brothers. Make yourself supernaturally. Got it. Exactly. In a perfect world. Hey, shout out to patrons and our master and grandmaster levels, including Ragnold Vermal, Reed Fisher, and Paul Reese. Also, thanks to Scott Johnson for being with us today. Scott, what's new? Well, as I gaze into my camera using good etiquette, I would like to say the following. This is funny that this happened this week and that I was on the show where we talked about it because my comic strip, Fred and Can at Fred and Can.com dealt with this exact issue. And we didn't plan it or anything. I had no idea this was going to happen. So I'm going to recommend that. Go check it out at Fred and Can.com. Fred thinks it's an okay idea to show up for a job interview, teleconference with just his underwear on and a nice tie and shirt on top. And hilarity happened. So check it out. That's Fred and Can over at Fred and Can.com. You can also find it at frogpants.com where everything else about me is there. So go check it out. Hey, folks, there's all kinds of things you can do to support the show. Of course, if you have the means, supporting us directly through Patreon loses the ads and gives you a bunch of extra content. 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