 Let's talk one-on-one. Here we gon' talk, we gon' have fun. We be on fire, we be lily. It's a unique hustle, big shit. Big shit, big shit. It's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit. Big shit, big shit, big shit. Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy, E-C-E-O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Miss Jamaica. What's going on? Say, man, hey, man, you know God been good to me, man. We got a blessing that done popped up on me, man. This guy right here really don't need an introduction, man. This guy right here, when I seen him, man, you know, you know, I said, dang, that boy wearing that blue, man. I ain't gonna lie at the time when I seen him. I was like, man, so this dude here is taking over the internet, man. And freestyle, a king of it, really. I can't wait to hear him on the mic. I know he ain't gonna leave us over here hopeless, man. Check it, my boy, OG Percy's in the building. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. He done just pulled it up, man. Say, man, what's going on, man? I'm here, man. I'm glad, man. I'm on top of the ground. The ground ain't on top of me, man. Man, hey, man. So, man, you know the way we do it at Boss Talk, man. We be trying to figure out, like, who is OG Percy for real, right? Like, a lot of people that interviewed him, I know they just want to talk this and talk that. We gonna go there, too, but I like to hear what you think. How you doing, Miss Jamaica? I want to know OG Percy before he was OG Percy. Oh, okay. Just Percy. Okay. From a kid growing up? Okay. Let me know. You said West Texas? Yeah, born in Millamore Hospital, man. West Texas is down there. Shout-out to all the boys in West Texas, million. Old Duster down in that area, the real country. I heard that's a bad area, though. Well, I left when I was a kid. Yeah, okay. I left when a kid. My sister had a bad heart, so I don't know. Okay. Younger sister or older sister? My youngest sister. She's gone now, but she's gone. Okay, sorry. She had a heart problem. Three open heart surgery. She had a decaying heart. So her heart went on and played on that, but good girl. She lasted me 23 years old, so. That's a blessing. Yeah, but the only doctors could take care of was down here in Dallas at that time, so we moved down here when I was like four years old. Yes, sir. Man. Lived with your mom and dad? Yeah, mom and dad. Okay, that's good. Real mom, real daddy. You know what I'm saying? For years. That's good. Real mom, real dad. People, especially black kids, can say that nowadays. Yeah, but that ended when I got about like seven or eight. Okay, mine ended at nine, so. Okay, man. I get it. I get it. How did that affect you? You know, mom, mom, mom, you know, my mom. I thank my mom because she didn't take daddy after life completely. You did what I'm saying. You know, daddy, they had their difficulties, but mom always made sure daddy was in our life at all times, so. Okay, that's good. Yeah, he never left us out, so. Daddy was always around at all times. I was a daddy baby. Oh. Yeah, I was a daddy baby. I lived just like my daddy, split image of the great-granddaddy, the granddaddy, my daddy. Wow. I came out wanting to split image of them. Wow. So when they split up, though, you lived with your mom. You didn't just go stay with your dad? Oh, no. We stayed, you know, the family. No, you know how a game goes. You going, everybody going with mom? With mama. Everybody going with mama. I went with mama. Yeah, you ain't got no choice. Because some boys be like, I don't want to be my, I want to be my daddy. We're back, but at first, no, mama wasn't trying to hear that. Plus, we got right on welfare. We got food stamps. We got all that. We got government assistance. So I had to be, you know what I'm saying, with the family. And when they come to count us and see who in the house and if a man stand there. Oh, yeah, they used to come back in the days. No, we didn't play that. Oh, no, they didn't get that. No, the welfare folks in the country, not in East Texas, they would, most of the time, they'll have you to bring the kids up there to see if you really got kids. This was back in the day. Y'all don't know if y'all... But then you could go pick your kids up and take them up there if that's the case. Yeah, but then they'll come by if you're on housing to check, see, you know, what's going on in your house. Yeah, this happened. But that may be because we country and then we were scared of white folks. So if you white and you come knock on the door and stuff, we saw that kind of look different. Like, yeah, but white man out there. Yeah, everybody got nervous when the white man knocked on the door. If he wasn't the insurance man. The insurance man, that's right. Yeah, at that point. Man. Yeah, but that's what that's the country living for me though. I don't know. So when you say y'all moved from Mellon, y'all went to Fort Worth? Where did you move? Went to Fort Worth, Texas. I'm about four years old. You understand? And mom and dad had their difficulties and mom remarried immediately to Clarence Carter. You know, I'm part of the Carter family. You know, Dan and Fort Worth had a used to have a restaurant called John Carter's down there. Okay. Everybody used to go on landcasts to eat at John Carter's. Nice popular restaurant. He's gone, all right, Peter. I'm going to John Carter's. All right. Was the food good though? Probably the best old food in Texas. If you walk in there, you don't see number of white folks in the round. That's when you know it's good. It's the wrong spot. No, but then it could turn the other way. Like they don't really know what self would be supposed to taste like with white folks in there. So. I can't say that, man. I think white folks came up on Slade. They did. So they know if it's good. What? That's why they there. They came up on the Slade cooking. Yeah. When you think about it, the most of the restaurants we go to are like, shout out to Doe Bellis. You know what I'm saying? The clientele just flip. You know what I'm saying? Mainly white folks. Because they know it's good food. They know it when they taste it. That's right. They've been eating it for years. Hey. For centuries. Four or four hundred years. But then even like when you think about it. For a low cost, right? But even like when you think about it. For a low cost. Exactly. We think about other types of food. If you go into a Chinese restaurant and you don't see no Chinese and they're eating and you're like, uh, something wrong. Man. Maybe. I ain't going to eat her. I don't know. It just surprised me when I pulled up to the Chinese Express. I ain't nothing but messing with cooking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the new way though. That's the new wave, ain't it? We're in Texas. Right. Yeah. So man, uh, going to school up there. Um, any, uh, how was it in Fort Worth schools? Basic education. You know what I'm saying? Basic education. Um, you know, you get, you get what you can after school. Schools just like going to an institution. But when I was coming, depending on how old you are. I'm talking about like when you, when you first started like junior high, junior high, middle school. Okay. Yeah. We can get around after that time. Um, school was fun. If you knew something by then, you did what I'm saying. Yeah. Back when I was coming up, you know, I, I don't know if it was a, a thing to do, but white folks want to talk to teach the black kids. No, y'all sit over here and, you know, play with your pencils. Know your colors and, you know, give you something to color on. And I'll be teaching reading over here with the white side of the school. You understand me? But um, and the game was back then was to pass you on until you got too far up that you didn't know nothing. And you know, we was passed on like, how did I get to the eighth grade? And how did I get to the ninth grade? I can't relate to that because they just want to get you out of there. Yeah. You know, they said it's going to pass you on until you get up to, when it's time to know something, you don't know nothing because you ain't even got the basic education. Cause you want to talk to nothing. You just passed on, you know, give them a band, a drum or a horn or a band class and a football or something like that and know the risks and pass them on. But when you got to high school, how was it, man? I mean, I'm talking about Percy, OG Percy before Percy, but he in high school. When did OG Percy become OG Percy? Was it in high school or after high school? No, this after, this after, it got to be the penchantress or something. No. OG Percy, you know, when you come up in a city, you know, a crime was already there before the gangs was there. Before the name of the Crippin' Blood game came, games was already there. G-Cubo or Stripplin' Brothers, all in the family. You know, P-K-O, you know, all kind of gangs was there. You know, that's when you had balls and chains. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing major. You see something big, it was a knife. Oh, you got a knife. Yeah, that was it. That was it. That was big. That was big back then. That was big. A knife. A knife. My daddy used to carry one. Come on, man. He'll pull it out quick, too. I sent him to put it to a nigga so fast. Come on. And then that nigga calmed down, too, and backed up all for it. He was trying to get me. My daddy saved me that day. Nigga was mad, because I whipped his nephew. Come on now. I hear all these kids talk about, you know, people with character. All the time saying that they found a kid at school with a gun, or a kid at school with a knife, or something like that. I'm like, even back then, kids were still carrying guns and knives and everything to school, right? I got caught with my gun. I caught myself. My mom used to send us, you know, on trips out of town, you know, during the summertime. And one time she sent us on Christmas time. I went home bragging about my gun I kept in my locker. I went to Dunbar. Oh, yeah. I went to Dunbar High School. And then I went to Trimble Tech. You understand me? But I went to Dunbar when it was the good old days. When the basketball team was winning shout to Coach Hughes. I was saying, y'all can see a picture of me and Coach Hughes on it. And it just went viral. Oh, yeah? Oh, yes, sir. Coach Hughes was the coach, but he was also my health teacher. But school was, you know, back when you got up to schools, when you went around black teachers and they was actually teaching you something, it was really, it was so far behind on education. And then they came through, you know, I came up in the area where they snatched the D's out. You know, back then you had A, B, C, D. D, yeah. And then the F. But people was passed. A D will get you to the 12th grade. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't know nothing. Dunbar's a box of rocks, but you can run a football. That's it. He's in the truth. And you got D's, though. Yeah. The D's gonna get you in. That's true. You're gonna pass. When they snatched that D, then they said, no pass, no play. I remember that, too. Come on now. I remember that. You gotta come up in the real school there. There's no pass, no play. You know, you know, some of them cheated for a couple of years and played a lot until they got real strict on it. You had guys that could learn and really learn and be athletic at the same time. They started building a different different team of football players. You played that football? No, I didn't play nothing. You didn't mess with it. I didn't make it that far to play. You know, I did my part. Yeah. I did my part. What grade did you graduate? Oh, come on. Stop that. What are you looking at? What you got me in there with you? You didn't know what you're talking to? No, I was back to it. No, sir. What did you do? I got caught with a gun in school. And they put you out? Yeah. She back then? For the second time. Put you off for the second time and it took you back and put you back in. Yeah, you know, back then, if you didn't did nothing with it, you just, you know what I'm saying? Just hanging in the locker. Yeah. I got jammed, you know. I didn't get caught with it. I got snitched down, trying to be cool and tell my partners, you know, but I got saved that day. Shout out to my cousin. He saved me that day. So I run the gun to school for the real intention. Okay. Because the day before, I was jumping in the hall when I was having a one-on-one and a couple of football players decided, you know, since I'm whooping one, they look football partners. Yeah. They're gonna help them. But the next day, I'm gonna show them. They ain't just jumping on no anybody. No, you all can get it. Oh, go and get it. I ain't coming to play. I can't, no, strictly to show out. So he saved you? He saved me. But what happened to the days of, okay, you got in a fight and they jumped you. Why not go back after them, you know, fist fight? Because one thing about being jumped is not fair. You know what I'm saying? When you got a one-on-one, you having a one-on-one, you know, they take that. You know, me, I can take a whooping and kick on tick. You know, you got that. You whooped me out. You got your hands, dude. You got something, boy. Yeah, yeah. I got it tightened up. But when you, but when a nigga, but when a nigga jump you. Two or three niggas. It's different. It's different. Yeah, the feeling is different. And you ain't gonna try to jump them back. I mean, jump them back from where? Yeah. Yeah. No, don't break it. Say, I learned one thing about going to get people up. I had a partner named Scotty Worley. He lost his brother, Freddie Worley. You understand me? Well, Freddie Worley ran and got his brother over basketball game. He didn't take him strong. He brung them back two dudes pinned them to a wall and stabbed them 27 times. I learned red then. I never go run and get my brother for nothing. If I can't handle it then when I leave, it's over. It's over. Yeah. I ain't gonna come because you know, tell them what you can bring somebody else to. You know, I can bring, you see a lot of people getting killed but they ain't the ones causing the trouble. Mm-hmm. But they partners getting murdered, you know what I'm saying? So I'm careful who I go get and who I call. Because you know, if I can't handle it, if it's over, it's over. No, I get it. Because your situation, what I remind me of about that kid who brought his gun after he got jumped and bullied, you know, the day before and he brought his gun to school the next day, you know, and he shot that kid. Yeah, yeah. That's what I remind me of exactly what it reminded me of. It would have played out pretty good. I said, be sure you have luck. I'm going to smoke this, smoke a cousin and make a lunch. He's like, yeah, I'm serious. I got the gun. Well, I'm ready. You know what I'm saying? You know, my cousin knew I was for real. He knew I was serious. You know, I wasn't playing. Mm-hmm. You know, he wouldn't have told it on me. Yeah. In the class before lunch came. You got it. I was standing in the classroom. I said, everybody turned around in the classroom, talking about God damn somebody. Okay. And he said, where is Percy Demerson? Oh, shit. He said, he said, stand right there. They start watching me. He said, sit right there. He said, stand up. Don't reach for nothing in your desk. He said, come on outside in the classroom. I'm like, okay. I ain't got nothing on me. He said, my locker. You know what I'm saying? So, um, they were, you know, they were in a high school, but they got tijd, you know, you're in trouble. That's the police. The undercover with the regular suit on. So they took me on to Prince Bob and they came back. And the man slammed the gun right there in front of me. I was like, God damn. They already got it. But the sad part when I walked in, I was in by myself. My cousin was sitting in there. I said, oh, what you do? What you wonder for, you know, he said, what you, and he looked at me, he said, uh, this before they even brought in the gun. He said, man, I just, I had to sell him. He said, I didn't want to see nobody getting in trouble. Well, shit went over my head. Yeah. You didn't know what he was talking about. Well, he said, who get in trouble? It's my cousin. It's my whole real blood cousin. Yeah. It's my real, at the fan reunion, at the, at all cookouts from his wedding's cousin. Yeah. I know he ain't, it's not like him. But when he said, I didn't want to see nobody, it went over my head. Aw, man, hell no. Did you beat him up? No, years later, he appreciated him. No. Had to. No, but at that moment, you're mad about it. She right. At that moment, you're mad. But no, I didn't, I didn't get a chance to beat him up. Oh, okay. I was put out of school for the rest of my life. Never got a chance to go to noble forward independent school district. That was it. Yo, what grade was you in at that time? Watch this. I was in the 11th grade, but mentally, I was probably still in the field. You hear me? Education-wise, it just been thrown on round and just gone past, thrown up. Going to school just to show off my new polo and my Kohans, you know. Killing them. My bobs, you hear me? Putting the quarters in the penny loafers. Whooping them. You know what I'm saying? Whooping them. The duck gen, you're a throwback. Yes, sir. Yes, sir, you know. But at least you were going to school because, you know, growing up, I knew a lot of kids who would skip school, parents taught them off at school. You had, like, a hole in the fence somewhere and they'll sneak out and be gone over a girl's house, gone over hanging out with the guys, whatever. They'll skip school. You didn't want to be sitting in the classroom and somebody's saying, uh, uh. Oh, mom is dead up there. Yeah, yeah. With the robe on. Same, man. If you don't want to be sitting in one of those, you better go to school. My mom don't play that. I don't care where they drop y'all from. Front door, back door. You better go in there and school. Sit there if you don't learn and you better be in the class. In the class. What? Let me ask you this about the, uh, the, uh, documentary. I seen you, me and my wife went supreme. He invited us over and we watched the documentary. Okay. And you, you did a splendid job, man. I want to tell you, I liked the fact of how you had the, you had the box with the all old bitchuaries and stuff in them and you kept going through all of these different people, the whole show it seemed, didn't it? And I kept seeing OG Percy just kept on. And kept on telling us about all these different incidents, man, um, for you to be able to go through all of that. It, it, it had to be, what did it build inside of you? A monster, greatness, um, strong belief in God. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I mean, um, spiritual. I'm saying, um, spiritual war for a lot of demons going through it. You know what I'm saying? But God took away a lot of that from me. You did what I'm saying? Um, but going through all that, horrifying. But the, you know, um, I know if y'all kept up with me, I lost my brother a couple weeks ago. I seen that. Sorry to hear that. But I didn't lose him. He was murdered. You hear him? It's a different story. Good man. Um, not expected man. It's like y'all going out there and finding him, sitting in the car. No, he went even in that type of lifestyle. Yeah. Different, different feeling, um. Everything in that box didn't mean nothing to me until I felt like it seemed to happen to my brother. But in, in, in cases like that, like, I would always feel like if you have God, that's the time you hold on to him more. Well, you know, you, you would say that, but you know, um, you would say that, you know what I'm saying? Till that shoe was on that foot. Yeah. And then you were questing God. Why? For a minute. Yeah. It didn't last long. But you'd still. I had to, I had to go there with him for a minute. Come on now, come on. Now I got this. Um, it hurts me to see somebody good go out so hard. I like to see the heart go out hard. You live that life, go out that life. You live that life. Don't go out. Come on, God. God dang, God. Yeah. What part of the game is this? Um, my brother ain't the only one I was, he showed me another picture of an old lady that was good in the community. She lived, worked good, fed everybody, had a house in the back. She let people stay there when she knew they was on drugs or whatever she fed them and took care of real friends, some youngsters went to the house and beat her to death with a hammer. Hmm. How old was she? She was 96 years old. It made me say, come on now, God. You hear me? I definitely hear you. That's how I felt about my brother. Good man. Went to work every day, took her as kids, his family, his po' children. Had to sit there and watch their daddy like that. You hear me? Wow. Never did nothing. He was out for his birthday. You know, he, you know, um, good man. Good hard work. Took her as mama, loved his mama, took her as family, took her every bill she needed, paid from the phone bill to rent to everything. Make sure she had that. That's gone now. Good man gone. Wow. Yeah, brother, man, I don't even know what I'd do if I lost my brothers, either one of them. But you know what? The only thing that comes to my mind. I said the same thing. Yeah. Believe me. But we all hear just for a season, no matter how we go, right? Life is not promised. Anyone of us can go any day. That's why while you're here, you're supposed to try to make an impact on everybody's life. Because your life is not your own. You're supposed to impact others. Cause even like with what you're saying, what instance came up? You remember that black kid who got killed in his own apartment by that police officer, the female. But you remember at the court case how the brother went up to her and gave her that hug? And you, everybody was looking at him like, you crazy. Like how could you forgive her after she did something like that? I mean, you know, I did, I had to do that. I had to forgive. You did what I'm saying. I had to forgive when I didn't want to. But I had to because of the lifestyle I'm into now. You did what I'm saying. I can, when you don't know who you dealing with, the principal palestines, when you don't know them and they come towards you and you got to really deal with them. Now I'm in the place where I have to really deal with them. I'm in a place where if I don't do nothing, I ain't nothing. I'm in a place if I do do something, I'm into something now. I can't even afford now, one of them. You did what I'm saying. And I'm in a point where I didn't do so much for the niggas in the hood and then roll for this nigga and roll for that nigga and roll for this nigga and then come on person, let's go, come on, let's. And I'm now, now it's time for me to be there for my own. And I can't because the life that I chose to live now is the decision I have to make. So I got to forgive, only let God do his job. So when you forgive, this is not for the other person. It's not always for the other person, it's for you. Oh yeah, I need peace of mind. Definitely. I'm traumatized. Yeah, that's the most horrifying thing to see, my brother laying in there like that. Yeah. Good man. But all the things that you've seen in your life, cause you've seen so many horrific things, how do you use that to help others? I tell them about it. God gave me the wisdom and the knowledge to keep my mind. You know what I'm saying? Even though I wasn't educated in the books, I'm educated in the streets. I'm a scholar in the streets. I run circles around the negative and went to Howard University. Already. You know what I'm saying? We just come since God gave me. And I learned that that's the best sense. I agree. You hear me? The best sense. You can't beat me like that. I 100% agree with that. You hear me? I don't have to know what they know. I don't have to know what they know. God say you know more in my world. Maybe you pull down here, but you rich up there. Already. I said, well God, I need just to know that. I've been a little changed. I've been a little changed. I've been a little changed. Money Moses walked in the building. What's going on, Money Moses? I had to get you on here with the OG person. There you go. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Hey, I started them off easy. Now I got the man in there now. Yo, get him in. Get him in. So, but the thing I can say is in the documentary, I seen where you say you was the only, you was the only Crip in a blood neighborhood. Yeah, I started Crip gang in my neighborhood. Yeah, yeah. Was it a blood, what was it? It was a blood, all blood neighborhood. That's what I heard on, you said that on, Yeah, on the, what made you do that? Thank you. What made you want to do that? Cause I didn't want to be like the niggas in my neighborhood. I grew up around them. I knew the niggas. I was like, y'all in a gang? You in a gang? Yeah, no, we blood. Come on, girl. I'm not from now on. I know you niggas, I ain't back to it. They're real action, but everybody running in the room want to be in the gang all of a sudden, wearing eight rags. Man, you know these cats ain't about that world. Hell, I wasn't even about it, but I knew that wasn't. Let's take help though. Huh? Let's take help. Well, you know something, a lot of them hide behind it. Exactly. I know. Coward moves. I know. But see, that's why I didn't want to be like them. I said, I'm gonna go get them. I'm gonna be a Crip. I want to be against them. If I want to be in something, I want to be really in something. I don't want to be where I'm saying, I want to be really about that life. You know what I'm saying? When I came up with it, I always wanted to go with the hardest neighborhoods was, where all the danger was, I ain't give a fuck where, if it was, excuse me, about the cuss. I don't care if it was in Stop 6, Eastwood, Pratt, wherever the danger was, that's where I wanted to go. So when it came down to me, yeah, it's like, so when it came down to gang banging, I didn't want to be like my neighborhood. If I be like them, I'm just fitting in. You just can be yourself though and still do what you do. Because I don't want to be in the gang. I just told you that what was in style. You just wanted to be. What's this? Just like that necklace you got on, and that shirt you got on. That's what's in style now. I like that. That's good because it's my clothing line. So I know it's gonna be in style. Okay, cool. So back then, if I wanted to be a part of it, I'm gonna get me one of them just like I got heels on. It's in style now. I really like you gonna have that boss talk on. You're that part. That part. I want one. It's in style. Back then, y'all, you got to understand that was, what was in style. Yeah. Watch this. It was all type of stuff going around. But when that came in style, and guess what? The radio, the boss talks to, the everything that you listen to, everything you looked at, that what was on. It was in style. Did you dig that? So guess what? Is either go to church or get in the style. You dig what I'm saying? You're not gonna keep wearing bell bottoms when they wearing polos. Already. You dig what I'm saying? You ain't gonna keep wearing bell bottoms when they got tights, no, the things didn't change. And when things change, nigga, you need to get with the program and get it left behind. Back then. But you don't have to change with everything though. Everything ain't got to change. Well, I came up in a place where I didn't want to go to church no more. Me either. I didn't go. So I got with the world. And guess what? When you get in the world, you can't go out there and change things. You either get with it or get ran over. I mean, That's a lot of stuff. But it depends on whatever you come up in. Yeah. It's about how old are you though? First of all. I'm 31. Oh yeah, you two are late though. You know what I'm talking about? When you talk to me, you gotta be 25 years old. You know, you got 25 years behind me, youngster. So it's two different worlds. Yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's say it again. I said you 25 years behind me. I done been 25 twice. Let me say that again. I done been 25 twice. You hear me? That's a lot of time to catch up. But I'm just saying this. That was just, just watch this, watch this. I ain't worried about you slamming or slamming. That's the game. But watch this. You couldn't tell a slave why you want to mind master because that's what you better do. That's what's in style. We here now, you can't come out and see where they gonna drop you off. Drop you off in the slave world. You gonna go back and change them. This is what we were in now. Now you're gonna get with the program. You get what I'm saying? 25 years ago, become it was fucked up. You hear me? ACBC. I was here with ACBC. You know what that mean, right? What's that? Before, I mean, before, I don't want to get to go. ACBC. Hold on. ACBC, you just want to say it. Before Christ, after Christ. See that? Don't nobody's saying to say you gonna ask me something you want to ask. No, I thought you said it. Somebody asked you something. I didn't know. You didn't know. You finish say it. You had it on your lip. You said it again. Before Christ, after Christ. I'ma let you show how different we was. In my area, it's before Christ and after Christ. You hear me? I lived in both of them worlds. I lived in the world before Christ got here. Beautiful world, skating range, movies, theaters, bowling, family reunions, not friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Before the cameras. I lived in the world where we didn't come up with YouTube and videos and interviews. You couldn't do them. I lived in, imagine this. Imagine the world with no cameras. You saying that when I was there, we didn't have no cameras then when I was growing up. It started coming. What? It started coming 25 years ago. They didn't have cameras? No, it started coming. Man, I said it probably just started coming in. Big homie, we walk around with VCR cameras. What is he talking about? It was there. VCR cameras, yeah. Big old, sounds like an A-track tape. I know what you're talking about. I'm waiting for what you think I am. I know what you're talking about. I'm just saying we doing what A's different, but I'ma keep you in your A. I gotta stay on your level because you gotta stay on mine. If you ask me a question, just remember the error you asked me at the end. You hear what I'm saying? Why you just can't be you? Because back then there wasn't no being you. You get killed, nigga, trying to be you. You hear me? Yeah, that's the error I came up in. But that's just what happened to me. What's I am now? But guess what? I got a box full of dead of me. There ain't no problem with you in it. We all got that one there. There ain't no problem with you? We all got that one there. Guess what? A lot of niggas that thought like you ain't here today. Hey, but they not gonna be here one day. Yeah, and you wouldn't have made it back then. But if I didn't make it, that's God, not nobody else. But I'm just saying don't never put yourself in a position where you don't have to do that. That's why I'm still here. That's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. Don't tell me one thing and you say you're gonna do another. No, but I'm not, no, you took it like that. I didn't say that. I said, I knew it all. I knew it all. You're right, I knew that I wanted you to be here. I don't put myself in such a situation where I don't have to be there. So it's like, so I'm still here because I don't wanna be here. Okay. It's like, I could put myself in this situation. I could have, but I didn't. I tell you what I'm saying. Back in them days, back in them days, that's what I'm saying. You gotta, you can't just jump up 25 years later and say, this is what I've been doing back then. Well, they just wouldn't have, no, there wasn't no problem. There wasn't no problem. They just wouldn't have done it. I mean, that's sad. Let me tell you this. Guess what, that was mine too. That was mine too. And I lived that life. I'm just like you. You just said that. That was just how it happened. I'm gonna be in a blood neighborhood and the guy's gonna kill me over there. Then I just say that. They just gonna help after? I said that. And I did. I lived that life. You stayed in there. I hung in there. But when you did it, you, I remember one time I heard you on, you said this on the documentary that you got called in the wrong neighborhood. Oh yes, sir. Yeah. So, so. The old neighborhood. When you think about like, like stop six and all that, you was going to the old neighborhoods when you was a kid or when you was in, when you was creeping. No, sir. I played in my neighborhood and the era that I came up in, if you didn't play smart, you died. Okay. I came up in the neighborhood where crypts and bloods existed. When I started creeping over there, you know, it branched out. No, I planted seeds in the neighborhood and it grew up over there. You know, but different streets did their own things. But you had to know what trail to walk down. You might cross one trail be on the other side for a blood. Hey, but I was just gonna say, if you haven't been on the wrong side of the town, the wrong side, I mean, if you haven't been on the wrong side of town that mean you ain't been in the streets like that. Cause you're gonna end up on the wrong side of town in some type of point. What's going to happen? Yeah, but you, you, you had, that's why you got caught in it. Um, I'm gonna put it like this. Um, I missed out a lot in my neighborhood about staying out by, by, um, how can I say it? Well, I missed a lot of life. I missed out on a lot of life by just staying in that little old spot. Cause I knew if I came out that spot, I ended up in the box. I get it. You did what I'm saying? I didn't play with my life. I knew my life was easy. And man, I was like, if that can happen to him, God dang. It can happen to you too. Damn, damn, that can happen to him. I went, I grew up where it was three and four from these niggas get cried with. Oh, such a such guy killed but he won't release anything. Cause that was happening. It was happening so random. You didn't know who to feel for. Shit get killed the day you get killed two days later. We cryin' for a day and then you got a cry for you and then all of a sudden we come and they say he didn't got killed too. That's how it was happening. Sound like a game. You didn't have, you didn't have time to feel for a day. For the next nigga that you broke with myself. So I know what a game. Well, let me ask you this. What was the first time that you got sent to prison? Oh, I got sent to prison. What year was it? 89, around in 89. 89? About just been developed. You was just born. I don't know, I was just been developed. Well, how was you born in 1989? Remember that, thank you. Thank you. Oh, you wasn't even born yet. What was your, you born in 1990? Yeah, I was developed in 80s. So, see listen, people don't get that because they all say you represent 90s. No, I'm in 80s. Don't put me in 90s. I don't want to hear that. Man, listen man. I got born in 80s, born in 80s. So you were 80? No, 90. Okay, so you're 90. I don't like saying that because I'm born in 90. No, I like saying, oh, I like saying 80 because it's, it's, it's, it's, yes, like we look stupid. Trying to cheat like me. Like you trying to cheat like me. Like I'm a 70s baby. No, you a 69 baby. I'm 69. No, you see what I be saying like that. The generation is crazy. Like crazy, crazy. I appreciate my area. When you got, when you, what did you do? What did you do? I called an injury to a child. Wow. Injury to a child. You know, I didn't told the story in two different ways and niggas didn't boast and brag. But the first time I told it a family member came up and you know, that was years ago. You don't want to open them open wounds. They got kids grown now and they heard them story. Yeah, but it's the truth. Oh, really? So I told the story in a different way. But I'll tell it again. I got, I called an injury to a child. I had to find a whole family. They tried to jump me. Oh, really? I've been there, I've been there. So everybody got the same work you did what I'm saying. But anyway. Hey, the child shouldn't have been a grown folks, but. It happened like that. It happened like that. And it was sad cause I called that case. I called, you know, I fought for my life. They told my car up, knocking the windows out, everything. I just came from a track meet. And with another friend of mine, you know, my friend had been jumping on the young girl, whatever. You understand me? And they thought it was me. Wasn't me. Hey, there you go, right there. They kicking my car, beating my car. What's your god damn, I'll go up to the TV mama. They're your kids out and she snapped. But don't, your kids out here jumping up, beating up my car and turning my car up, man. Well, you ain't got no business. That's when I knew that everybody got down there. Ignit my kids, ignit mama, ignit everybody. And they jumped. I ran off from the situation. And then I seen them knocking the windows out of my car. I blacked out. Posted. What? Posted, what? He did too. He told him, but ran up there and went, OG person on everything in New York. But then, it happened so on. Good job. Cheated. I went to a job called McKinney job cause somewhere down here back there. Oh yeah, yeah. I cheated. Back in the days, got random Dallas niggas and they sent me McKinney job calling. I ended up the time, are we gonna go on that mess with the women and the girls and such and such. And they said, what we gonna take? They said, we gonna take cosmetology and nurses' aid. Is that how you end up in, how did you end up in? Watch this. That's how I ended up getting a nurses' aid job. I was saying that to say this, I had a good job at this time. I was working at Miller Memorial Hospital. Okay, this one, it all went down. That one, it all went down. Went over there for the weekend and told me shit up. I jumped on the family. I went to work the next day, couple of days later. Went down the office and they called me to the office and they like, first two guys wanna talk to you. He asked me, I have an altercation over the weekend. I told him yesterday, family tried to jump on me. They told him a call up. And I told him the story and they looked at me like they had a phone in their hand and the first time I ever heard these words in my life. He said, before we talked to you, we had to say something. Do you have a right to remain silent? I was like, shit, wait, hold on, hold on. That's that shit they be saying on TV. That's cool. That's what he's saying again. Now, not knowing what's ahead of that, you hear me? I got that, I've been hearing it all my life. I don't know what you don't wanna hear. Hawaii Five-O, book them down low. You got the right to, I ain't heard of nowhere. I just, that's the polly, that's the movie stuff. That's it, that's it. That's the only place I never heard of it. Let you know how green I am to the law, how green I am to the system, how green I am to being locked up never. I work, I go to work. I'm the only nigga in the hood with a car. I gotta know what she having over, 350 mode in it. The bad boy right there. But with the door pipes on it. No, I'm gonna work every day. I'm doing what I supposed to be doing with the chat. And in the game. You hear me? But I'm a community revolution in progress. About to say you take care of business, don't say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody got slide like I said, I don't slide around me. That's what I'm doing, I'm working. And then that problem came. Wow. Changed my life. What unit? Watch this, lost my job. Yeah, that had to hurt. I know what I wanna ask you. Go ahead. Lost my job at the hospital. They came in, they arrested me at the hospital, walked me out in here because went back the next day, bonded out. Oh, you back about that, you bonded out. Didn't even make it upstairs. Didn't even go on the jail. Said, I already did the dough. Mama didn't cry. I'm a person in jail. First time. I'm with my daddy. I'm a daddy, baby. That ain't for them to get locked up. Shoot, now they ain't get to put. If I got a nerve to go with them. Diverson, that's me. Oh, come on, you made a bun. Oh, shit. Damn. That was cold. That was the happiest words of what? You hear me? I'm gone, I'm out. Say it's better than what? Best words in the world. Yeah, yeah, where are you going? Roll it up. You out of here. What? Let's go. But after that cycle in my life took place. That's where life took place. I didn't go to prison for that. I got two years probation. How'd you ride that probation though? Not alone. Yeah, that's where they get you it. Not alone. That's where they get you it. That's where they get you it. Due to my behavior. The type of life I was living. I like to smoke a weed. I love the weed. I love the gang bang. I'm doing, you know, Spice One is out. NWA is out. Ice Cube is out at the time, you know. The internet is going crazy. They ain't even banging on wax. They ain't even came out. Yeah, shit, we still got a couple years for that mud even to drop. But you know, they're not really pausing the internet and pausing us through the internet. We don't know nothing about that. Oh, I do. You know, what I do. But I was on there, said Ice Cube sent me to the jailhouse. I couldn't take it. Did you catch another case before you went? Yes, sir. A burglary appetite. I called a burglary of a building. I started robbing. I lost my job. Back then, back then, you know, the most gangsta thing was kicking in the door, robbing, breaking the house. Yeah. Going breaking the house. That's it. That's the only thing, gang. There wasn't no stepping, strapping or nothing. We going to break in the house. You know, anything easy, running around, get away, go find a jewelry box, get the VCR, nigga. And we don't get no TV, because no TV big, and everything with tools in them. Back then, one of those flat screens, take out running. And we call them Big Bull TV. Yeah. They take three niggas, yeah, yeah. You got to carry it on both sides. Big TV, but back then, breaking in houses was the thing, so on. I broke in a couple of houses, and I had a potty. You know, one thing about me, I never got caught doing nothing. I caught probation for that. You know, I broke in the house, my potty man, he was not stealing everything, but what he was supposed to be stealing. And I happened to walk inside this dining room. Man had a goddamn, a china cap. You know what china cap? Oh yeah, I'm supposed to get done. No, it wasn't china, it wasn't number rifles, antiques, and I knew that before. Oh! I went in there and I took a skillet, and I went in the room, and I threw that skillet through there, and I took the bag, and I took it, he had 26 guns, and I was like, hold up, I'm up. I said, you got what you need? He said, yeah, what you got? He said, the VCR. I said, that's good, you on. You got a VCR? He said, what's that in there? And then he in there fixing the sandwich, nigga, how the hell you doing there, frying food, nigga, we in there rob, breaking in the house. They watching me in the movies. But then you fryin' the bologna. They just put it on the bread, we robbing, you in there fryin' the bologna, like we at home. And we breakin' in the house. But anyway, makin' long story short on, I gave him one of the guns, I sold mine. Back then, nigga gave me, Mexican gave me $2,600 for 26 guns. Shit, but let me tell you, some $100 back then. I was gonna say, back then, that money was good. I thought I was rich. You couldn't tell me that, and I thought I was rich. I said, I'm gonna give me a rag top, put it on my car, and some trues and vows. That's all I want. Trues and vows. That's what Trues and vows were goin' in. On the noble, and some harrow. Trues and vows and some harrow. Yeah, on the noble. Two dough? Uh, four dough. Four dough? Four dough, shit. That all went on. Stop playin' with me. It was 10, with the peanut butter top. Yo, I gotta show you somethin' out there. I got somethin' to show you when we get through it in a minute. Top that nudge, man. I got it, man. Yeah. So, makin' long story short, man, I did it, and by the time, I gave one of my partners one of the guns, he got caught with it. He told the laws where he got it from. Well, you know, didn't person get pulled over again. On probation for the... All of them. The intertual check, like Demerson, he said, they pulled me over, everybody drove down on me, said, where's the guns? Where's guns? I learned one thing in life, man. If you don't know nothing, you ain't in nothing. Uh, I've stuck to that code for it. Through trial. Uh, through tribulations. And to this day. And to this day. And guess what I found out? It works. I know it works. It works, don't tell ya. So, when you, you had to go to, so you had to, I know you went to court and all that stuff, but I want to ask you about being a brother. And I don't know, people probably ask you this. Being a brother, first time ever in that courtroom like that. How did that, you see what I'm saying? Lost. Look, look, wild only. Lost. Uh, you think you back in the old King James days. You hear me? That's why I'm asking. You hear me? Uh, and not only that, it's sad when people are speaking regular English, but you don't know what they're saying. It's tough, ain't it? Oh, it's real. I tell you, little Wayne told him a long time ago, people have mastered every language in this world. English, African, Chinese, French. The black man ain't mastered one language. Court talk. You need that. Need that. If you're going to live a lifestyle, you need that. Yeah. So, when you went in there, you had a court-appointed lawyer? Did you help? You know, you know anybody from here person bad ass? Who from here person money? So, that court-appointed, what he tell you, you need to go on and take this? Well, number one, you know, he's sucking my daddy. You know, I wasn't going to, you know, my dad, you know, black people back then, you know, you're eating this to the law. It's your fault. When you don't know it. I had to learn one thing back then. If you want to play the game, learn the rules. You want to be, you know, play football, learn the rules. Basketball, learn what a foul is, learn the rules. Gangster? Learn the law. Learn the law. Yeah. Learn the rules to the law. And we didn't know the rules that time. So, anything sound good? We didn't know that they don't play tricks. So, we offered them 10 years. But we'll give them three. So, take the three. Take the three, take the three. They offered me 10. They offered me 10, daddy. You know, 10. 10, they're going to kill you three, three. Take the three, I take the three. You know, don't know. You could have had just 30 days. 30 days if you didn't die. Right. You didn't die. Yeah, if you, if you, you know, daddy, you know, because they saw you, daddy, you know, I forgot you, damn, dad, you look older than me. So, you slave, you know, I'm still on slave level. But you're on major slave level. But that's not the thing happening. Yes, sir. So, you went in and signed them papers? I signed the three for the three. What unit? Did you hit the first unit? The first unit I went, I went to a century unit. Where's a century unit? No, no, no, I went to Ramsey unit. Ramsey unit. Rocher and Texas. Ramsey to Rocher. Chatham was on Ramsey. When you got to what they say, you own the Ramsey unit. Well, you know, you know, when you get out, when you got off the bus, I'm talking about when you first got there, you know, I'm talking about you. Right, right. Oh, cause let me tell you what happened was, I had that probation, right? For the, for the, I had that probation for the injury to the child. And then I caught the two years, they gave me two more years for the Berkeley. So they ran together and just gave me three. So it violated the thing. They had a thing come to Texas. The first, Anne Richardson was the lady in council at that time. Anne Richardson, the best thing known when it came down to the law, which I learned the law. Anne Richardson was handing out 31 days for a year. You didn't hear what I said? That's it. She 31 days, you get a year of credit. Just see if you got 25 years. You got 25 months. That's 31 days. That's 131 days per year. But she had a thing came to town. It's the first thing that ever hit Texas called the penitentiary boot camp system. And it was called 90 days. If a nigga could survive- Yeah, you can't around. Yeah, you get in there. You can see if you can survive that 90 days and come on home. See, you be free. They start you back over. They want, you don't have to go to the penitentiary. But you still gotta go back on probation. But you gotta go back on the probation. That was a catch-22. That was a catch-22. I know it. But say back then it just sounds good. Back then it did sound good. It sounded good. They're playing with it so on. I said the boot camp, I said, oh, hell no. I'm gonna go and take the penitentiary time. She said, but you go to the boot camp and do 90 days. They gave you three years. You can do 90 days. She said 90 days, three days, three years. But I still didn't see how they played me. Y'all didn't hear the game though. Y'all didn't know. You'll take the 90 days? No. For the three years. No, then wait, I'm taking 90 days. I'm taking, I ain't got any probation. I'm not taking it. But the 90 days, you still gotta come back on probation. As I was not up in jail. They said, you can catch the catch-22. I'm gonna fuck up again. I just said Ann Richardson was giving out 31 days for you. Y'all, for me, 90 days. But that did match up, didn't it? Yeah. It just sounded good. You know what I'm saying? It was gonna be the 90 days any goddamn way I took it. Go shit. Three months was the three years. For the TDC, I coulda got there and got the 150. I coulda got there, got the $150 and went on about to the house. Yup, with no probation. But the 90 days and the 103 years? I take the 90 days, play them. Ran with it. Ran with it, but anyway. Everybody was doing it though. You know, everybody getting suckered because they didn't know the law. They didn't know the law. And guess what? In these days and times, it catches up with you. Yeah. Oh, ain't no Ann Richardson, she did. It's old. Oh, and you ain't, it's called Sharon Wilson now. It's called, you know, big time DA's now. It's called, yeah, the top of the line now. You ain't know the law. They playing, oh, what? 90 days, 90 days. Now you don't never know until you get there. How long did you stay out when you got back? Oh man, I had a, cause you went and did the shock probation. I had an institutionalized problem. Oh, bootcamp. I had institutionalized myself. I got out. I didn't stay out for about whatever. I came home, shit. I didn't stay out of good. I told her later, I came home smoking weed and you know, youngsters like, I was a rascal. Damn fool, ignorant. Didn't care, I told this lady straight up that I'm gonna smoke my weed and she couldn't tell me what to do. I told her mine, so I ain't talking. See, listen, you look like you didn't do this. You know how you do this. No, because I play the system. I listen. I didn't tell you exactly what I did. I had caught a two aggravated sidewalk dealer with him. I got him dropped to a misdemeanor and they told me I could do it up to a year in jail. Me thinking, you know, I couldn't do a whole year in jail. So when I signed probation, I told the woman, I wouldn't have seen her for the first month. I went for the second month. I said, man, I ain't coming back. She's like, what you mean, Moses? I said, man, I ain't coming back. She's like, why? I said, come back. I said, all right, I called her. I called her and said, hey, I text her. I mean, I text the judge too. I said, I'm not coming back to court. I'm scared, which I said, I'm not coming back. I don't care what y'all do, how y'all figure out? I'm not coming. She's like, Moses, come back. I said, okay, I came back. I said, look, I delete your number. I delete this number. I'm not coming back. She said, okay, I see you back next month. I said, I watched this. Never showed up. Three years later, they finally caught me. I did 30 days, for now 45 days in general, I was back free. That part, that part. I'm not taking probation no more. Cause I know what it's gonna do to you. So it's not gonna do nothing to you at all. Probation is a set up for incarceration. Yup, exactly what it is. Probation is a set up for incarceration. It's a set up for every black man that takes it. Hold on, but then this is how I beat him. Don't even tell you this. How I beat him was when I took the aggravated side with the LF, it was a felony. I made him drop to a misdemeanor. Then signed for misdemeanor probation instead of felony probation. Okay, take care of your business. I made him do that. Cause he kept telling me, they kept telling me we got you on this case. I said, I said, no y'all don't man, stop playing me. No y'all don't. I had a quarter point in the lawyer. I'm telling them what to do. Cause I already know the case already. Cause I know what happened on the field. I know what happened on the field. You didn't have me on nothing. Cause I didn't do all of it, which I said I did. So I knew I was on the field already. So I was like, you ain't got me on nothing. What else are we gonna do? I told him, I said, go on that sign for probation. I mean, give me probation, misdemeanor probation. He said, we can't do it, sir. I said, all right, next court date. I said, you gonna get it for me? He said, nope. I said, I'll see you again. Came back. I got it for you, Moses. Yo, that play with me? Nah, you know, I've been playin' like that. I said, I know y'all, y'all playin' for me. Y'all finna hurt us if we don't say nothing. If we say something, then they're gonna speak up for us. But if we don't say nothing, they're not gonna do none at all. They're gonna hurt you. So I get it. OG Percy, so I didn't. How long was you gone? How long was you out when you say you went back and what did you go back for? Um, let me tell y'all something. I turned three years into eight years. You turned three years into eight years. How? Easy. If you don't complete it, you gotta start over. But you'll get it one day, you hear me? That's how, they'll stretch it on you. You end up in institution after institution coming home on the same thing and still not gonna be, say, I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't get it right. You know what I'm callin'? I couldn't get it right. Can't get it right. So were you literally getting out and going back or you just never made it out? I came home from the walls about five times, about four times. So you kept going back? Golden gates. That part, bird unit. Y'all want to call it, the bird unit. It's where the birds fly. That's it. What was the hardest time you done, man? When they made me do it all. What was it all? Five. The last time I done it. It was the hardest time. What unit was you on during that time? That's rock and roll, rock and roll, ain't it? Gladiator. Gladiator, walk through the door and you gon' get your head brought to it. What year was this? I went to Ferguson in 13, around 11. 2010, now I call my case in 2007. I hit Ferguson around, like, 09. Turned around that time. I ain't come home until, like, 2013. I hit Ferguson, I was just like, I'm about, like, 40, 36, 37? So they involve you. Them youngsters let you make it. Ain't no such thing as making it on Ferguson. That's an STG unit. That's a security threat group unit. Everything over there got aggravated time, like sentences in gang banging. Ain't no making it. No making it. Now, rascals. Whole bunch of them. Old nigga ain't got no business over there and a young nigga ain't got no business over there. So what was the, what was the, okay, name an incident where you would find yourself getting into situations. Do you see what I'm saying? Because you walk in every day, the young nigga, they all over the place. What was it that made them wanna give you issues? OG Percy in the Ferguson unit. When I stepped off the bus, shit. They know you. Now, ain't no they know you. They try you. Some of them live for that. When I first got there, a nigga walked up on me. I made sure after that day, nigga, I did all the walking up on him. You hear me? A nigga walked up on me and one of my little dudes on the side of me, I thought he was tough shit. You know, we came there together and he talked that talk. We heard him, but I knew what we was it. And the nigga walked up and said, yeah, y'all just got here. I'm like, yeah, nigga, we just got here. He said, well, nigga, we doing a whole lot of fighting over here, nigga. I said, that's what's up. He said, I ain't. And he walked up. I said, nigga, I said, you ready? I said, you nigga, now. And the nigga looking his eye, he square-bidding. We doing a whole lot of fighting over here. You're looking, I can tell you everything. It told me everything. It told you everything, boy. It told me everything. And I kept that nigga in my eyes until I left her. You hear me? Yeah, I didn't let that nigga say nothing to me wrong. I didn't let that nigga feel disrespected. When I got up first and I got up to about like 215 pounds, I turned myself into a fighting machine from top to bottom. And I worked my way to the top. When I went in there, I was a five-star Sergeant. When I came in there, when I left out there, I'm a five-star general. Yeah, you got rank in there. You got OG's, BG's, YG's, that's that street shit. When you get to the penitentiary, you got rank. And rank is what you supposed to be. Yeah, go get the Sergeant. Go get the Calvin. Go get the Lieutenant. Same thing as an inmate when you work up in a game. I was the highest ranking game member over there. Five of these little crib game, OG praise the five-star general. The highest ranking game, it was all tatted. I got my five stars going down both sides. I called the shots. Something hard to do for an old nigga in a young nigga penitentiary where the young niggas don't give a fuck about no old nigga. How did you get to that level? Just was it the fight? So was it the, what was it? The respect. The respect that come with the fighting. They don't get your shit. Anybody get put on their ass. You remember? It was the respect. It's the respect that come along with the fight. The reason for the fight, never lost the fight. And I told the youngsters, the only reason they ain't never lost the fight, shit, they ain't never started now. That's the only way not to lose the fight. That's the only way not to lose the fight. Speaking of fight, could you tell a person fighting boxing style from what unit they would come from? Yes, sir. Cold field, different Darren's, and it's different. Ellison is different. Ferguson, you. Which was the hardest style? Now, Ferguson. Ferguson had the hardest style of boxing. Ferguson. Ferguson. Ferguson. Ferguson. The young breed. I heard stories that's freaking Friday a real thing. Well, you know, it depends on, you know, when I was there, when I was there, it depends on what kind of freaky you was trying to get. You hear me? You got something I'm going to get freaky with you. You got something I'm going to take you there. That was my job. I ran the rec yard. OK. That's where I got in it. That's my stomping ground. That was Percy's. That was OG Percy's domain. Rick, when they hear a Rick, exactly what it is when you come out there fucking with us. You get yourself on a Rick, nigga. You know what I'm saying? You want to go to Rick? Shit, you just got here. You better not go out there. It's going down. They're going to take no person to them out there on that rec yard. I ain't going out there, man. Shit, them niggas be out there on some booze, shit, and every, yeah. Every Friday. Every Friday, I need me a three piece. You, you, and you. You know, God damn me. Back to bed. I would have loved it, boy. Shit. I'm back to bed. Shit, exactly. I'm doing it every, I'm doing it. And it wasn't no shame in my game. It didn't make me no tough nigga. It didn't make me no bad nigga. It made me a square business nigga. I was just going to say that. It's going to help you out. Made me a square business nigga. I didn't do the shadow boxing. I didn't do the playing with the house shoes, the punching bag, fuck that. I learned one thing. Ain't nothing fighting, swinging back at you. You don't know what you got. You know what I'm saying? That was my rule. I didn't let Cripp niggas do shadow boxing. No, ain't no shadow boxing. What you doing over there? Cut the wheel and punch at the wind over her. Put something in front of that. Get something. Somebody get over there and get in front of them. Let's see what you're talking about. We don't do no swanging around and no trying to. Because that's show out. That's showmanship. Anybody look pretty without something in front of them. So you put something in front of them and get to run around them up. Look at that. What happened to them? You know the Bob and weed you were just in the corner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You make it look real pretty. He saw me. I thought you had something. Soon as you put something in front of them, they'll run them all around that. You remember? Got him. I checked on the wrecking yard. My job was to check niggas when they come to the Penitentiary. Soon as they get there? Soon as they walk on the dole. That was my job. Big smile to talk, bar none, fade out. That's what I did. That's what got me through prison. That's what got me through the young niggas. I talked to young niggas that I walked by what I talked. I didn't call shots from the bench. When I got there, you had niggas been sitting 18 and 14, 16 years and 20-something years and they was on the bench and they was crippling. They ran. They ran. They positioned from the bench. And I looked at them niggas and I was like, shit, I don't think they're going to do shit anyway. Oh, that's the man right there. Oh, that? That's the man? Yeah, that big homie right there. He the one you got to go through him. But that ain't shit. You know what I'm saying? I respected the big homies over there. Shout out to my niggas, shoot. 103rd shoot, Carlos 103rd Crip Gang. He passed me to Baton to be the next in charge. Because some niggas looking at me like shit. Niggas ain't been here two years yet. How you going to be there? I've been here 14 years, 16 years, 18 years. How you going to come in? Yeah, because I'm about that action. So who was the hardest challenge that you had? Fighting on the yard on a freaking Friday. I picked three this nigga ain't easy. Oh, it was a lot of them when they ain't easy. No, I'm talking about the one you remember, you know. Shout out to drummer Dallas West Dallas drummer. West Dallas drummer? Drummer, drummer. He brought it. Yeah, he swear business out of West Dallas. You need to be cheating down here. Y'all got boxing gyms and shit. We had to grow up. We had to grow up and run out of fighting streets. I'm just saying, though. I ain't seen a boxing gym top of Dallas. What made him? What made? I ain't never seen that. Wait a minute. Did he have a style of boxing that was special? Yeah. You can tell you Dallas niggas got, you know, finesse about your fighting game. And you can tell you niggas been in the gym. You understand me? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that part. Feet work nice. Hand game. They been working on for a minute. And I'm just sitting there looking like, well, shit, I don't know. None of that shit. Now I'm gonna whoop these niggas. I gotta learn this. See, my game was to look and learn. It was a problem being an old nigga out there letting a young nigga teach me something. Yeah. What? I'm gonna put all that in my arsenal. I need all that. Now let me see that. Let me see how you do that. Turn again, y'all. Can you give me right? Yeah, you're gonna have to, I need that. I'm gonna learn all that. I'm gonna learn all that until I get my shit together. And then I'm gonna start making my changes. And my changes was the first thing. I feel like if a nigga gonna get a crib coming through the door, we gonna watch him. It's time to look at him. So, you know, my thing was they didn't agree with that. Well, I ain't asking no nigga to agree with it. I feel like I ain't got my shit together now. I've been here almost a year and a half. I've been watching, learning, twisting, boxing, shadow boxing in the room, getting my weight up, eating good. And I feel like I'm on point. And so this is where I want to stand. And niggas didn't like it. They didn't appreciate it. They didn't want me to be that nigga. What? What I'm gonna say went from there and on, if a crib comes through the door, I'ma check him. You gotta watch what you say on Ferguson, because one thing about it, your word is your bond, nigga, first time you do something that you don't watch this, watch this, look, I get you. First time you do something, you say something, and you don't do it, that's what niggas do. And they watching you. And they ain't by, he say, you gonna whoop nigga when he came in the door. Don't never put your mouth on something that you don't handle. They watch that. One thing about Ferguson, if you selling, they buying. Did you ever go to another unit after you left Ferguson? No. No. Never. No. No. You talking to a man that used to couldn't even stay out of good nine months. Every time I came home, back in this month. Back in it. Back in this month. I come home, get a baby, get somebody pregnant, looking good, and I finna hit the streets. I finna go game bay in the street from the rob, from the jack, finna hit a trap, finna hit a trap. Oh, that's what I did in the streets. I don't know, I'm for robbing and jacking. I didn't have no name for fighting. Did you, you know, I know y'all down there, nigga had to make spritz and all kind of stuff, didn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, survive. Good eating? Made you eatin'. The eatin' always good. Shit, if you can eat, you on. Anybody can do time with a full stomach. Yeah, I'm good. Same stomach, you gon' be up all night, time for the next meal, coming from all type of shit. Yeah, yeah. What's your present? I know y'all, I gotta get that freestyle, man. Boss talk 101, man. Oh, hell yeah. Don't play with me. Put on a little jam. I got something. So how do you say about people that don't respect Crippin' Blues? Keep on y'all going, dude. Go ahead, let's go. How do you feel about people that don't respect Crippin' Blues? How do I feel? Every man has his own opinion. See, that's good, cause anybody else probably says that's some old bullshit. Every man has his own opinion about anybody, even by me, what I represent, what I stand for. A lot of niggas don't like that. I went Cripp to Kristen. I ain't no Kristen, I just went Cripp to God. I'm not no religion, no nothing. You did what I'm saying? Yeah. Niggas can say F Cripp, but it wouldn't bother me. And don't suppose to? It was on my wrong. Especially if you're at the, should I already? Right, right. You can't sit here and say, oh, you're at the game. No, I'm not at a nothing. I gotta tell it all over me. All over my neck, behind my head, everything, because one thing I learned, you know what I'm saying? If you use it for what it's worth, community revolution and progress, community, if you put that to work, it can't go wrong. What you think? I mean, I've been telling some, I heard some the other day, it really pissing me off. Because I don't even see what I heard. Men say you got all type of ties through the pipeline and stuff. All right, right. But if you can call somebody and say, hey, you can handle this, go do this the dumb way, when you can't call them and say, hey, can you do this the good way? They do that in full work. Full trade shout them, full trade crib. I know, I heard that, but I heard that he was like, we need to come together, we got to wait. You already got to wait. Just open your mouth. You got to open your mouth. Give me that scar face on my block. Just open your mouth and say what you got to say. Somebody going to hear you. You got to know nobody else, but yourself. You got to know no other man to say, hey, we got to do this, do that. You already been doing it. You can make a phone call, make a phone call and say, hey, do this, do that. You got to know nobody. We grown. Some of the kids, they get to where they need to be and they leave. They don't throw the rope over the wall. Make sure you give me that boss talk, because I'm going to play this, I'm going to play the hell out of this, man. Boy, and don't come back. Hey, hey, man. One on one, man. Hey, man, boss talk. One on one, man. What a boss this talk, man. Hey, that's what you call preaching through the speakers. Hey, man, I already know, man. I already know how you do it, man. I'm going to be honest with you, man. I've only used that. My grand told me that a long time ago. Everybody I told my brother going to be a preacher. And she kept looking at me. Every time I tell her, she always looking at me. She never thought I saw her, but she always looking at me. But I see, when she just said preaching through the speakers, I'm going to be honest with you, man. That's amazing. Hey, man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. We love you. Thank you so much, man. How can people get a hold of you? OG Press is show no mercy. That's the way my daddy cursed me. Y'all can hit me up on my YouTube page at OG Press is show no mercy. Jimmelson, you can find me on Diamastone TV. You can find me on Real Team TV. Man, you everywhere. You can find me on Real Life Street Stars. You can find me on every one. Hey, now you can find you on Boss Talk 101. Boss Talk 101. What a boss this talk, nigga. Stop playing, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. Hey, everybody go, like, subscribe, comment. Fuck the fuck with y'all in the comments. Ah!