 Tonight, we'll take a look at the events that have unfolded following the inauguration of the Oshun State Governor at Demola, a delicate of the PDP, as past and present administration straight blames over 407 billion Naira debt. This is Plus Politics, my name is Nyam Gul Aghaji. The People's Democratic Party in Oshun State and the opposition in all Progressive Congress have continued their war of words over the state's 407.32 billion Naira debt portfolio. In a statement by its acting chairman, Dr. Adekunlea Kindele, he berated the ex-Governor Adebu Ega Oyetola for alleged deceitful conducts during his handling of the state's finances. The PDP, however, commended the state governor, Senator Demola, a delicate for his transparency and accountability in the management of the state affairs. The party also claimed that the Oshun debt portfolio has long been shrouded in secrecy with negative consequences for the state's finances, investor perceptions, and the general well-being of the people. And that Oyetola remains the source of financial misgovernance wrought in the state. The Oshun State government has also cleared the air on the alleged withdrawal of security detail attached to Governor Ademola Adeleke by the Department of State Services, even though now they say it has been resolved, but we'll find out how it is. The group further alleged that DSS took the step after Adeleke made unguarded utterances before the personnel deployed to work with him. But when contacted, a spokesperson for the governor, Olawale Rashid, who is here with us today, said there was no crisis regarding the governor's security team. There was also a war of words between the People's Democratic Party and the All-Progressives Congress over an alleged non-remittance of the revenue due to Oshun State through the mining sector, with the PDP accusing the opposition party in the state of collusion with a mining company to deny the state its revenue. On the feud between the past and current administration in Oshun State, we will be discussing with a spokesperson to the Oshun State governor, Malam Olawale Rashid, and also will have, on set, Olufemi Lawson, a political analyst. Now, welcome to Plus Politics, gentlemen. Thank you very much. Thanks for having us. Okay. Yeah. Let's begin with you, Rashid. What is the state of things in Oshun State as regards de indebtedness? We don't want to hear from other sources, but you are an inside source. What's the state? Thank you very much. You know, we took over from the previous government without proper ending over, there was no transition committee. So when we got caught in, a query was issued to the Accent General of the state to come and come up with what are the level of liabilities and indebtedness, and it came up with details of indebtedness running to $331 billion plus $76 billion, which is about salaries, pensions, and insurance matters, adding up to $400 and something plus. We now decided that what should we do with these figures, we just keep it and continue governance? No, internally. It's excellent to know, let me go and call back to the owners of the state and the traditional owners in particular, who are apolitica, who are non-partition and who are fathers of the state, even the owners of the state. So we called a meeting and briefed them on what they found on grant, and you know, we took over from governor Yutola, and it's just normal to let the world know that this is what he got from the former governor, I mean, the former administration, even though proper ending over was not done, but the Accent General chose the part of transparency, accountability and open governance. So let me open up the book to the owner of the state so that we see what I found on grant as I also start my own tell-off. So the state of the situation, the financial situation is that also it's in a mess, financial mess. And while we were talking about the $400 billion matter, we discovered another $100 billion. There was a loan on water matters and all those that went towards not disclosed to us. Then contractual debts, debt-to-contractor, you know, this contractor for finance projects that governor Yutola uncalled a lot. That one too, we are summing it up. That one is also running to almost $150 billion. So what I'm trying to say in effect is that as soon as the account is in the red and we are not after anybody, what we are after is transparency, accountability and good governance. So that's only the book to the people of Oshu state. Come back to that, if we have the time, to discuss these liabilities and everything. But as an analyst, Lawson, a neutral analyst, do you think these accusations are in line or do you think they are blown out of proportion? Because as an analyst, you must have been there and following events of the previous administration and now these accusations have come. They are utterly the way they are. Thank you. Beyond being an analyst, I'm also fortunate to have been very much involved in the political atmosphere in Oshu state and coincidentally I have worked closely with my senior brother Malabra Sheet on some of the political issues in Oshu state before now. And I want to say that what Governor Ademola Adelike, all the people of Oshu state today, most importantly is the sincerity of purpose that his administration was bringing to fall. It is very unfair and insincere for anyone. I had actually not taken so seriously some of the positions that have been flying around the year over the last couple of days until I read that statement by the ruling party in Oshu today, the PDP, where the statement claimed that the root of the current state of indebtedness could be traced to the administration of Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. Gov. of, you know, write-ups and all sorts of political interventions we made during the administration of the former Governor Raoufa Reguichela, which really is a foundation for today's for anyone to make any attempt at accelerating the real conference, which is Governor Raoufa Reguichela, and place this burning of debt of a shoe state today on the last four years of Governor Raoufa Reguichela would mean insincere, you know, I think if we are genuinely concerned about addressing why the ordinary people of shoe states have been put into so much debt, like we are currently experiencing today, that we must trace it beyond the last four years, and that is nothing but the truth. Tracing four and a seven billion on the million dollars and everyone out there, so the last four years of Governor Raoufa Reguichela would mean Governor Raoufa Reguichela is not ready to probe this, you know, among those debt of the state, and I think it should be ready to do this by probing beyond the last four years of Governor Raoufa Reguichela. To the least intelligent person in the shoe state, even to the depth and the blind, everyone knows that the Arrepercial Administration wants a shoe into the kind of debt that besieges one generation to pay. And unfortunately also, the administration of Governor Raoufa did cover up, rather than exposing the indebtedness of the state under the Arrepercial Administration did cover it up for the people, possibly because of their, you know, political party affiliation, and that is also unfair to the people of a shoe state, but for an administration that has all the intelligence around it, and all the human and material resources, should be correct enough to come up and tell the people of a shoe state, and they're probably able, who are who actually incurred these four and seven billion, you know, merit and some other that we're beginning to, you know, get informed about, but it is essential here on the part of a shoe PDP and this administration to barrel it to the last four years. Okay, what a way to begin this program. I know that Rashid wants to answer to that to respond. Okay. You see, we came on board without a proper handling. We searched the co-board to discover what debt, what liability we took away from in mind. Our contact is with their mind. Our contact is not with who has come before, and that is one. Secondly, this man that we took over from, how could it be the chief of staff to demand the other man, the other man? In other words, as the chief of staff, he was right in the middle or the driver seat. So we don't want to probe into all who is responsible, who is not responsible. What we all should do is to come up and tell them, even though there was no handling over properly, but this is what we find in the household. Our past governor, this is what we find in his co-board. He's left for that former governor to not come and say, oh, that thing we find in my co-board was put there by another person. So we will be very transparent. And that's why I said Governor Diliqi is not after anybody. No, no, no, no, no. He's about openness. I'm happy nothing said is involved. We've had many struggles that have passed through, but the reality on the ground is that somebody also cover, you see, somebody stole something. He's not actually the copytoe. The person that collected it and hid it for him is even more guilty. But we're not even into that. We laid the foundation for good governance by opening up the book of motion to the people. Let people know that this is the death we find organ. And now we are starting our five-point agenda under this program, six-month program, one-year program. But before we start, we'll get to the five-point agenda. We'll get to the five-point agenda. But I'm just curious, Lawson, when you said that the previous administration covered for the one before it, and I'm glad you said it was not fair to the people of Oshun and all that, because it sounded like there was some kind of collusion, there was some kind of cooperation between, like someone say, there's honor among thieves. I don't know what, if that is what happened in that situation. But we also hear that, apart from the money that was taken, maybe that you have said that came from the previous administration before the one that we are talking about today, there was a loan that was taken after the present the previous administration lost election that was held in June or July. So, yes. So how can you explain that away? I'm not a spokesperson of the Oitola administration, but I'm knowledgeable enough, I haven't been involved in public advocacies and all sort of governance activities to know that it is not enough to just rule out figures and statistics without details. That the Oitola administration took 18 billion era after July is very simple. All that is needed from the Adelica administration is that on July, so-so-so, after July 16, governorship election, the Oitola administration approached so-so-so financial institution, took another so-so amount. See, it is not enough because Oshun is a state of intellectuals. Oshun is a state of anti-political conscious citizens. So, it is not enough to begin to rule out figures without details. The response from the administration has been that this so-called 18 billion era loom was taken over a period of six months, that is three billion on a monthly basis. It was a support from the federal government. I'm not sure it will come from any bank or other financial institution that the federal government. So, it is not enough for the Adelica administration to say that this 18 billion wasn't from the federal government and it was taken from so-so financial institution and these are the conditions attached. It truly is clear to be reported on the basis of the available record. So, you see, we should not be treated as kindergartens. Why you just rule out figures without details and you think people should swallow, you know, who can I think I know? The administration must be sincere and courageous to tell the people how and where those loans were taken. It's not enough to rule out people. Yeah, let me rephrase. Okay, can I give you that fact? Can I go ahead? Okay, you go ahead. Now, you know he has admitted now that actually 18 billion era was taken over by it was from federal government. Now, let me explain it. Now, if you take money from federal government, is it a gift? It's a loan. I'm aware of it. Everybody is aware. Now, you know that what between July to November, a total of 18 billion was taken. Omi Pina has admitted it. No, Omi Pina has admitted. But he says it's from federal government. Now I ask, is it a gift from federal government? No, it's a loan. It's a loan that you have to pay back. There's no dispute that it is a loan. In fact, Omi Pina admitted that. But he said it was not the way we put it. Now, I ask myself, okay, a loan of 18 billion was taken, but you have disputed the way we put it. The money from FD is not a gift. You have to pay back. Now, if you collect 18 billion after the election, give it back to me. Okay, okay. Gentleman, gentleman, gentleman, just a moment. Just a moment, right? Gentlemen. No, no, no, no, Omi Pina said it. The money was taken, but it's from FD. But it's a loan. A loan is a loan, and it is scandalous for you to take a cheap video. Okay, okay, gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen, just a moment, just a moment. I like where it's going. Sometimes things happen like this and then we find out. I know Lawson that you may not be a chieftain of the APC but you said you have done extensive work and now today you're playing the devil's advocate so I'll be asking you questions that might seem like okay you are APC but just take that as it is. I'm curious, even if loans or debts came from the previous administration before the one of Oyeh Tola, the question is the Aregba Shola administration was APC. The Oyeh Tola administration was APC and like you have admitted the cover of these loans and these debts that the state accrued. Now what did he do? What did Oyeh Tola do in that space of time that he took over office to make sure that some of these debts are paid or anything is done about the debts or did he just wait for the next administration to come and inherit the debts? Did he ever do anything from your findings? It is a public knowledge and Malabra she is aware because like I told you we work together on a number of times on this. What the Oyeh Tola administration spent the greater part of that 40 years doing was paying back those immobiles that incurred by the Aregba Shola administration. It is a record, these are public you know you know information that there are times that multiple allocations to Oshu states from the federation accounts were in minus that Oshu was not even getting what was actually due to E because of the deductions or debts that have been taken by the, see it's a record that the Aregba Shola administration was such that was such a monumental you know I don't want to use or bring them words here for Oshu states so for the greater part of the four years the administration of Oyeh Tola was practically paying debts incurred by the Aregba Shola administration and these are public records which Malabra they also know so it was it was not even that the administration was paying them but what we had against the Aregba Shola administration was the fact that it covered up so much you know for the debtorness of the state incurred by Aregba Shola maybe for partisan you know reasons but I think it was not fair so the people of Oshu say the people of Oshu should have been bit earlier enough to be aware of how much you know the Aregba Shola administration left as look at the statement of defense by this same Aregba Shola you know former governor claiming that the debts were liquidated by who liquidated at what point you know these are the states that took so much to do and eventually there was nothing significant to show for it can I comment now yes I should go ahead yes to go ahead now you see let me situate this matter very well apc took loan apc ploughed Oshu into indebtedness apc ruined Oshu now whether you talk of the amount we took over from that's Governor Oshola the force is that the belong to the same party that is why secondly we are all in the know it's a public knowledge the people of start to Aregba Shola for eight years power people of staff produces power people of staff we know you know you know when you are when you are when you are when you are when you are No, I have the floor. No, I have the floor. Now, I'm trying to situate the scenario. Now, you took over from your boss and like you lost him as admitted, you cover up your boss because you were part of the mess. You cover himself for just partitioning. But because we're on the driver's seat, we're not doing the same thing. But you know what? We don't want to go into that. You know what we are bothered about? We are so eager. We are on our five-point agenda. But we hope to simply push you to know the truth. I might be anywhere and you told people I had the unit out, but also people now know the truth. If somebody cover up a chief, the person is also what? A chief. In this scenario now, our problem is not with anybody. Our responsibility is not with people. We have delivered the message to them. The fathers cleared it. The new one that we have discovered now, we are going to table it before them this week again. In fact, big news coming this week. Super big lossing. Lossing. Super big lossing. Okay. What time were these clothes taken? Who took them? Not us though. Lossing. Okay. Let me give you the answer. Let me give you the answer then. You know, most of these people are not coming from us. Now, there is what is called this Freedom of Information Act. The accountability of these people. No, this is the accountability office. People have access. We couldn't be accountability. He released all these people. I asked people that if we have done so much. You know, as a civil society person, you are also free to inquire and to request for those data. It's not in our custody. We're not covering up anything. The governor came and said, no, I must open up the book. I won't cover up anything. No contractor. We have discovered over 100 billion. Both contractors. And that's what we did for years. They called the contractor finance something. And they come up and say it's not a loan. I said, ah. Somebody is financing projects on behalf of the state. You said you must pay back. It's still a debt. So please, when we are so eager on the five-month agenda, we want to deliver on our promises. But we are opening the book. Let you all see it. Okay. Okay. In fairness. In fairness. Mr. Rashid, in fairness to the previous administration, I'd just like to ask you this. When you went into government without any handing over, no transition committee that was set by the previous administration to hand over to you and tell you what is there for Oshoon and in Oshoon. You went ahead and you were looking for only the liabilities. What happened to maybe the assets that Oshoon State has? Why didn't you really talk about that? Why haven't we heard anything about the assets that may have been built? As it were in the course of the four years. Why are you just concerned about only... Let me give you an answer. The former governor said he left for 10 billion a year. And his commissioner came on here three days ago and gave a kind of boost where those monies are. But you now know, like Oshoon said, Oshoon is a very educated, very enlightened state. Most of this money was dedicated project money from multilateral institutions. MBG money, microfinance money. So they had a small, small, small money and they said, this one we are living. Most of this money are not explained there. Their money, the governor cannot touch. So we choose to actually... You know, when you talk of asset, what is the asset in Oshoon? Where is the asset? The roads are bad, its institutions down. Talk of it, go around Oshoon. You see under development, staring you in the face. Go to our cities and we hold 400 billion plus. It is scandalous. It is scandalous. How do you talk of asset when you are going almost from the billion, almost from it and 10 billion? So it's what asset? We are in red. Also it's in crisis financially. To hear also from Mr. Lawson what you think about what Mr. Rashid said. So Oshoon really the picture that was painted by Malam Rashid. Lawson, please. In 2006, development, everything, you know, everything is applied to develop the young government. Even the natural asset as a whole. But I think when you compare the last four years of the UATL administration accurately to the performance of the average Nigerian government, the government of Malama, you realize that the government performed very well. Today, it is a vision that is important. She is one of the very few states in Nigeria that has basic health centers in all the world over 300 or there about in Oshoon states, across the states. And if you look at the investment of the government in infrastructure, when you talk about, you know, city center roads, you know, some inter-local government roads, some roads that are very critical to movement of people within the states. And you must also give one credit, even though we don't like commanding governors for doing another responsibility. You realize that on the AGSR, the government decided Oshoon was always in the front pages of newspaper. Oshoon was always in the news headlines for indebtedness to the civil servants. Oshoon was known as a state. Where civil servants don't get paid after 30 days. But the administration of the UATL took, you know, the last four years at this point to correct the anomaly. And that was why for four years, there were no industrial disputes. As far as, you know, government civil servants relationship was concerned, you know, Oshoon said, and UATL took Oshoon back to track and showed that pensioners were getting paid. Civil servants were getting their salaries as well due, all like once, you know, became the culture under the AGSR. So if you think this is not development, if you think this is not progress, then we must have to wait and see what the administration of UATL is going to see too early to assess a government that is less than 30 days in office. So now we have seen a transition from the culture of indebtedness to civil servants to pensioners to the culture where constantly civil servants were paid, pensioners were paid. Basic centers were functioning across the state. You know, roads were being constructed and some other interventions were backed upon by the administration. So it is only for us to be able to look at how we cannot compare this to whatever achievement will be recorded by the ADIK administration. But to say that there was no improvement from the AGSR that the Rwana Ghoshala Government of She-State would not be unfair, or would not be fair rather. I don't know if this is related. Can I comment on that, please? My brother, Losing, is actually acting like he spoke for so far, you tell me. Let me quickly fort some of that in his head. The head centers he talked about, we've gone around all the head centers, they are in very sorry state. In fact, the government has gone around more than 20 head centers. But they are available. But they are available. They are in bad shape. That's all we are saying. And the city roads that he talked about, just has a new body living in those cities. Even in Lesha, the city roads are in shambu in bad shape. And when we talk of salary pension, my uncle, also he's holding 52 billion pension areas. Also he's holding 25 billion salary areas. This is what we need to hand over to Rwana Ghoshala. Now, you know, Losing, will you allow me? Please let him land. I'll give you the chance to say what you need to say. My brother, I don't want to engage you much now. Now, what I'm saying is that as of today, because Losing is saying, salary is being paid regularly, pension is being paid, also he's holding 52 billion in pension. My pensioners are dying. Also he's holding 25 billion salary areas. People are in trouble. See, city centre road, just come to shambu. When you remove those few major roads, just go in, come to my town, you go. The city roads are bad. The city roads are bad. In Lesha, where is the development? When you hold 400 billion, the question is, we should see the evidence. When you go to Akwa Ibom, you go to Cross River, you go to rivers and all those. You see what this money was spent on? There is no evidence in Noshun. Also, we are in crisis of underdevelopment. Remove politics. Let's remove politics. That is the reality on ground. Who is responsible? Losing, we say, is not. Well, to horse, APC is responsible. We took over from a man who stole our mandate in 2018 before we got it back. But demand to horse is responsible. We took over from him. This also is in crisis of development. Please send your correspondent to come and do online survey. I will pay for it. To come and do online videoing and reporting. I will put the bill. You discover, also is in trouble. And we are holding 400 billion plus. Okay. Now, we'll hold it. One minute. I was wondering, you were part and parcel of everything that has happened in the last 15 years. And you claim you are not copyable. Because you are also copyable. You run away from doing proper transition. Wrap up on that place. To a totally constant transition committee. So losses should not defend these people. They know what they did. You people are civil society. You are doing your job. I applaud some of the things you people did. But don't hold grieve for them. Also people are hungry. Don't let them be hungry with you. Okay. Well, it's quite balanced. Now, because we might just run out of time without discussing another very important thing. Let's shift a little bit. If we have more time, we'll come back to the state of Oshun. I'm not talking about the new name that you got, but the state of Oshun and whatever it is. Why are you using state of Oshun? No, no, no, the condition of Oshun. Let me use another word. I'm not saying as the new name. By the way, I wanted to ask that, but let's leave it. You were talking about the five-point agenda of the new administration. And I'm interested in that. If Oshun has to move from where it is now, according to how you're describing it, maybe this five-point agenda will have something in it for Oshun. We'd like you to work us through that five-point agenda so that we get to know what we can hold you tomorrow. You know, because you make a promise and if you cannot deliver it, we can use that against you tomorrow. So tell us what this five-point agenda is. The five-point agenda, I know me and Lossy, we agree on this because we actually know what we have at hand. The five-point agenda is basically, you know, Oshun is sovereign from one major issue. Lack of focus on workers' welfare. This administration wants to focus on workers' welfare in terms of regular payment of salary, resolving the pension crisis, and among other things. The second agenda is boosting Oshun economy. Now, Oshun economy is so shallow, there's no money in the system. We are working on revolving loan schemes that will actually ensure that money actually revolve around within Oshun economy. So that our people can run businesses, artitions, market women and men. The third one is people-oriented infrastructure policy, labor-intensive infrastructure policy. Most of our infrastructure, most of them will be direct labor. We just technical support. The whole essence of it is to engage our people in road construction, in renovation, expansion of facilities. And the fourth one has to do with the question of education, health, and of course women youth, in terms of development, in terms of empowering them. And the last one is our growing industrialization. Oshun is blessed agriculturally. We want to focus on developing the processing industry so that our people can hand more money, hope, and that. Those are just the summary. But we have now expanded it. We've programmed it into under this program, six-month program, one-year program. And the whole essence of it is to ensure that Oshun economy actually develop and grow so that our people who are living in poverty, the situation can change, education, health, roads can be in proper shape. These are just the synopsis. We would like to know the specifics of all the things that you are saying, especially in agriculture and industrialization and education. So what are some of the specifics in the things that you have just mentioned? Los and I know that I'll come to you to assess this government, even though they are less than two months. We are less than a month. We are less than a second, third week. Now, you are talking of specifics. Excuse me, you talked about 100 days and one year and all that. And you are spending almost a month fighting the other government, the SWI administration. And I'm wondering whether you're not taking out of this 100 days. How can you achieve the aim for 100 days? Let me quickly correct something. We are not fighting people that administration. What we are doing is house cleaning. If you don't clean the house, you cannot build it on the route of the past. That is one. Then in governance, there is multitasking. Before that, we are supposed to corruption and ensure that the people know the truth. It does not mean we are not working. We are already on our 100 day program. And the 100 day program covers tech innovation, covers education, most of our schools are in bad shape. So ongoing plans for rehabilitation. Health centers that were supposedly rehabilitated in those days were not. We are taking it up to ensure that we renovate health centers and equip them properly. So we have an 100 day program that also covers the virtualization of their great settlement among others. So we are not fighting previous government. We should remove that work. But what we are doing, in fact, is to actually open up the people. Let people know what we mean from that and how we are proceeding. Okay. That's all for the 100 day program. No, I am talking in short because I want to take, because I know I want to cover more grand. Okay. Let me go to Lawson in case you have something to respond to all that Mr. Rashid has said just recently. Well, for the 500 day program, very beautiful. Oshis are ambitious states. The people have very huge expectations. People are looking forward to, you know, this government, you know, trying to come and turn their fortune around for the positive. And like I said, it is too early to assess whatever this government will become. This is just the end of the day. But the most important thing is that the government must remain consistent to its promises. It is not enough for us to get to the 100 days, the six months of one year, and begin to get excuses. It is the ambition of every progressively minded person that this government is able to live up to the promises it has made, just like we are hearing now. So for me, it is a very ambitious plan. Very long ago, beautiful. But it must go beyond the papers. It must go beyond the directories. And the government must be seen to be implementing these plans from now on. Not waiting, you know, for the 106 months of one year, you know, come and anniversaries before we know what the government has been able to do. So it is a very ambitious plan and I wish the government would do what it is. But you, as a member of the civil society, what plans do you have to make sure that they are on their toes? Because you can't just take a chance and say, after four years, let me assess you and ask you questions. Do you have plans? Yes, we will continue to engage them. We will engage the previous government. Fortunately, myself and Madam Rashid, my mom, for eight good years, we catch the anniversary land on its toes. We were very much alive, you know, pointing out the faults of that government. It is also a record that some of us are very critical of some of the programs of the immediate past administrations. So when people find these trends that will cover some of the, you know, progress made by the Internet administration, we don't really get worried because we are known to have condemned where the government didn't do well. And we will also do the same for the delicate government. Whenever the government is doing well, we will speak out. And whenever the government is not meeting up to the expectation of the people, we will never be stopped because if the artificial administration could not stop us, no other government, I think, will be able to do that. Because it is in the interest of the people that will keep not talking about what government does right or not, then keeping government on its toes so that on the long run, the people can be the biggest beneficiary. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Let me chip in a word. I thank Losing for actually committing our agenda and we look forward to working with the civil society group. Like he said, our agenda is very ambitious and very detailed and costed with deliverables. That's why I said 100 days, 3 months, 6 months, and we will not give excuses. We will ensure that we follow through. We don't want to give excuses. That's why the government has to open up the books. You know, when you are dealing with a very highly literate society like Osho, you have to be open to them because our people are very understanding. So they now know the background is social level of liabilities. Then going forward, they will not see our program. I will be very innovative in terms of addressing the challenges we met on ground in terms of implementing our own program and in terms of touching the life of the people. So I said something. The government has five principles. On the lining, on the planning, is administration. There are five. The first one is open governance. Which most civil society people will like. And of course, good governance. Very, very important. Government must be accountable, must be transparent. And that's why we are instituting what we call a per day money. The meeting of life. When we meet stakeholders from across body. So we are poised to deliver on our promises. And we work with civil society in terms of tracking and evaluation. I'm just concerned about how you would make the money to actualize this dream that you have. You are already indebted. And you talked about the fact that maybe we'll go into that again. Another accusation was that. Let me talk on financing. Let me talk on financing. You know, when we came in, that's another thing we've discovered. A lot of revenue leakages. A lot of revenue leakages. But what we are doing is to plug those leakages and reform the revenue collection system. Can you imagine revenue collectors are handy more than the state? That is what we met on grand. Revenue collectors are handy more than the state. A lot of consultants who are not supposed to be there and they are making the state dry. So what we are working on is to block the leakages first. When you do that success for me, you hand them all for the state. Then we have more resources to spend on the implementation of the five-point agenda. We are also doing mining sector reform. We discovered a lot of illegal mining, illegal diversion and others. We are working with relevant agencies both locally and nationally. To ensure that also got its views from the solid mirror sector. So funding financing will be very innovative and will deliver on our promises. I'm getting confused. When you talk mining, is it not supposed to be a federal government affair? That's the condition. You know, it's a federal sector, but people don't read the law very well. There's royalty payment to the federal government by the mining companies. After the royalty collection, the federal government will pay 30% their admission to the state. It is clear, the federal government policies in law and others, that is one. There is also community development responsibility. That's all mining companies hold the communities. In order for the state to where you are operating. In Osho quarter is polluted, our people are dying. Now the mining companies, they have to be responsible. They have to pay for it. And we also look at the operation of the major mining companies. We discover a lot of good books. And essentially they have contacted relevant federal agencies to look into all this. So it's a federal responsibility, but with state partnership. This is there in law. Let me go to Lawson. I'm glad that you said that these ideas, these five points of the present administration, they have very lofty ideas and if they could achieve them, it would be good for the state of Oshoon. But now there's a lingering, will I call it crisis? Something lingering in the courts. The governor, Oyetola, is asking that the election be nullified. What did you observe in Oshoon as the election went on? Does he have a case or not? Well, you know these cases before the court. And it is going to be important that we allow the courts to actually decide on this. But we should also say this that for a governor who over 280,000 citizens of the state voted for, you cannot say it is wrong for him to have approached the tribunal to seek redress, especially when, of course you understand that in Nigeria elections, there are always one controversy or the other. Especially when you look at the conduct of politicians. So for Governor Oyetola to have approached the tribunal, this is very much in order. Governor Delicate did this in 2018 even though he didn't get what he wanted from the court. So let us now wait and see where this quest by former Governor Oyetola will also land. And I also want to add to what Malarashina said about how the state intend to finance all these ambitious programs beyond, you know, clogging revenue leakages, getting external sources like federal allocation and the life. It's also important that we let people know that the governor during the campaigns also made it known to Oshoon people that they have a wide network of international connections. And they have friends and associates that bring dollars and pounds and everything. So Oshoon should be... That's his misinterpretation. He said, what he said at the capillary was that he will use his contacts with his friends at home and abroad to bring in investment into Oshoon. But you know the opposition media now. So he was twisted and he never said anything like that. But what he said is that he's going to use his own contact to Europe and America to bring in investment into Oshoon. And he has started that. He has started doing that. Okay. Let's look at education for instance. You talked about renovation but it goes beyond just a renovation of schools in health and the renovation of health facilities and all that. What specifically is he going to do apart from renovation that will improve the educational status of Oshoon state? You know in education there are three factors that affect outcome. The first one is place of learning. The second one is the teachers, their conditions. And of course the third one is the learning environment. The learning equipment. Now we've gone right based on our study both before the election during the transition community work. We discovered these three are majorly lacking in Oshoon. Teachers, they are having issues. Learning material, learning equipment is an issue. And of course we've now instituted some programs. The first one is apart from renovating the place of learning to make sure it's conducive. We are also instituting what we call alumni investment partnership. Alumni association is so common but Governor Delake is now introducing a system. Whereby alumni will actually be partners in terms of upgrading facilities in their schools. We are also reforming the question of PTA. PTA used to be a very passive system. Within second day on primary school we are trying to now make it a bit former so that parents will have a role to play, not just like attending meetings like they used to do. And we are also trying introducing what we call an Immolate Teacher's Call. Now we discover we have a lot of programs in terms of youth empowerment for our graduates and others. We are running a program that Governor William Field soon, we call it Immolate Teacher's Call, which will involve young graduates who are volunteers to teach across our schools. So we have a lot of, our ambition, our target, is to take Oshoon in terms of nationality to between number one to number ten instead of almost 30 something that we are here now. So we have a specific plan with deliverables and MIE alongside it to make sure we are performing. Okay, well let me just talk to Lawson. Lawson, you have the opportunity now to talk on national television to Oshoon State Governor. What are you expecting him to do? I will want to say that, Dr. Dedique must allow his programs, you know, for students to be in line with the aspiration of the people. A lot of times, Governors have resorted into implementing programs that are not in tandem with the aspiration of the people. So Governor must open the line, the culture of communication with the people and deliver programs on the basis of the aspiration. It is not enough to build, for instance, a health facility in a community that only requires bar old water to drink. It is not enough to go and build a supermarket in a community where all is required is a basic health center. So the Government must open the culture of communicating with the people to make their opinions. People implementing programs, this will help the Government to meet up with the aspiration of the people. You may have beautiful ideas, but when implementing them and they are not in line with the aspiration of the people, the programs may become as useless as not doing anything at all. So I want to implore that the Government must take Governors back to the people, implement the programs of policies on the basis of the needs of the people. And that is the way to go. Mr. Rashid, our time is up actually. I was disappointed when I didn't hear tourism inside your five-point agenda. We know that the Governor, maybe was covered in something else that I didn't hear. Because of the time factor, if we are to go into details of our, one of our major revenue generating area is tourism. We have five programs within tourism. Five programs within tourism that go forward in due course. Can you permit me to clarify something before we go? Just very briefly because the time is really up. I want to put it on record that it is a lie. Nothing like that happened. The Governor never fight any DSS officer. The Governor's sister is on vacation abroad. So somebody on vacation abroad cannot slap somebody in Ushubu. There was just an agency library between the DSS and the police. And the matter has been resolved. So I just want to clarify that. Thank you very much. I'm glad to hear that. You know why I brought up the tourism? Because the Governor is from a family of entertainers. And he himself is the most wonderful dancer. The most wonderful dancer I have ever seen in this place. So we were expecting a lot to be in the entertainment industry and so many other tourism attractions, or tourist attractions rather. We are five programs. I'm glad you said that. I want to visit. By the time we open it to the public. When I transform my tourism, it's not just tourism. I have heard you. I have heard you. I have heard you. I have heard you too. Thank you very much. Well gentlemen, that's how we're going to draw the curtain on the show today. I'm really surprised that the fire with which Larson started, he ended just saying that, Larson can be better than now. I'm really glad about that. Larson is my brother. He will support and dedicate to succeed. I can guarantee that. Public affairs and at least also in the civil society. Thank you so much for coming on the program today. And also Malam Rashid, you have been wonderful exposing a lot of things. We are going to take you up on that, your promise that you made to us. We'll come find out things for ourselves in Ocean State. Thank you so much for coming on the program. Thank you for having me. Well, that's it on plus politics tonight. My name is Nyam Gul Agadji. Do have a good evening.