 All right, you ready to record this let's go. Let's do it. Oh and Michael Wolf host of the next market podcast Is that good you want me to introduce you in a different way? That works. Yeah, I'd say whatever you want that works for me man. All right Actually, I hosted the smart home show Okay. Yeah, sure the smart home show podcast Done here we go Daily tech news show is brought to you by me. Oh, thanks me if you also wish to bring it go to patreon.com Slash ace detect that's patreon.com ACE DT ECT This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, September 17th 2014. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Michael Wolf host of the smart home show podcast You've probably seen his work all over the internet forbs and gigo home Next market and all kinds of places Michael good to have you back on the show. Hey, thanks for having me Tom. Thank you I know you're an Android phone user and an iPad user and you're married into an iPhone user So it'll be interesting to talk a little bit about the reviews for iPhone 6 and iOS 8 Which I I took the hour today to update We'll talk about that in a little while as well as you've got some interesting insights on Apple watch and what some of the Some of the reservations might be around that Yeah, I I think I wrote a report for a gig on we did a flash survey of some readers and What they said kind of corresponds with I've what I've been thinking about we'll save that for later in the show Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that in a bit. Let's start off with the headlines Do you feel that that's the feeling of almost an entire week of factual coverage of Apple products Coming to an end as iOS 8 rolls out today for everybody the iPhone 6 reviews have all been posted and People familiar with the matter have wasted no time Slipping out the latest Apple rumor the daily dot is the vector this time stating that Apple will announce two new iPads and launch iOS 10 Yosemite on October 21st use your imagination is just so much more fun than talking about fax Tom Right. It got so boring like it's like but we know we're gonna see that phone Let's make some stuff up. That's no good actually usually these dates that that get thrown out there end up being true But I like to emphasize to people Apple has not announced anything yet when this sort of thing happens Giga home reports bit torrent opened up the alpha test of its secure messaging app bleep on Wednesday Apps for OS 10 and Android were released as well as an update for the existing Windows client bleep offers end-to-end Encryption for instant messaging as well as a number of other features that help make it difficult to determine which users are actually Communicating with each other anybody concerned about metadata analysis would want that kind of shielding as well I don't know if you've heard much about bleep Michael. I haven't heard anything until today That's why I decided to be a show so I'd be informed about this Yeah, it's it's kind of been bubbling under the radar especially because they only had the one client But hopefully now that it's out there for Android. We'll see more people using it one of the Impediments to its effectiveness is the fact that it needs more people using it to be able to obscure Your metadata better and so they're talking about this is an alpha client right now But they're talking about eventually plugging it into the wider bit torrent system So that even if only a couple people are using it at the beginning It would still be able to mask itself amongst all that traffic. It's really interesting project and open source Interesting the Verge reports Logitech announced the Harmony living home line of remotes the three new models have more Intuitive software to help you control certain brands have connected thermostats light bulbs blinds Smart blocks and of course your home theater the remotes start at $99 and range up to $349 for the ultimate home remote. That's the one with a 2.4 inch display It also allows you to customize experiences To occur when you wake up or when an in-law is yelling at you I'm also interested with a hub which includes Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and I think it's interesting There's so many hubs out there now for the smart home But where I think watch tech really does have an entry point and differentiators, you know They have such a huge install base around the remotes And that is kind of a differentiator kind of being tied to their remote. Yeah I loved it when they added the home to the home theater remote I have the Logitech Harmony ultimate which doesn't have the home automation stuff in it But it makes a world of difference. I don't have to sit there pointing the remote at all of my machines for 30 seconds Well, it cycles through all this stuff because these these experiences that we're talking about here like like, you know Wake up are the are similar to the kinds of things when I say like watch TV It turns on the television turns on the set top box turns on the speakers It's just that that same sort of thing. So it's kind of natural for them to expand that and say hey We already had a hub for that kind of stuff. Let's make a hub for the home automation as well Yeah, and I should note that they did also have an add-on that had Z-Wave and Zigbee So I know that a lot of people have smart home have those Technologies so they're also doing that but they're doing an add-on you basically have to pay extra I think a hundred bucks or so to get those radios. That's a little pricey, but at least it's there It's there the more interoperable closer. We get to some kind of interoperability the better According to Reuters the online review site Yelp and mobile app developer Tiny Co Have both agreed to settle separate charges that they improperly collected children's information online under the Child Online Protection Act Yelp will pay a $450,000 civil penalty for collecting name Email and location information from children under 13 without parental consent Tiny Co Will pay $300,000 for targeting young children with brightly colored characters in apps Which also collected email addresses from children. It's almost like the Joe camel of the digital age Yeah, all they needed is like maybe like a mascot like a Ronald McDonald or something. Yeah The Verge reports the Chinese mobile phone company ZTE has a new phablet for sale in the US starting September 24th This hate saying phablet the Z max is exclusive to T-Mobile runs on Android 4.4 Kit Kat features a 5.7 inch display with 720p resolution and 8 megapixel camera quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 processor and 16 gigabytes of internal storage, but here's the kicker the Z max sells for 252 dollars or about 1050 a month for 24 month The Verge says the Z max isn't a striking phone, but hey Okay, maybe all we need is a break from all of these big fancy phablets with their chamfered edges And they're curved what nots go simple with the Z max 252 bucks to Not bad pretty powerful Yeah, not bad for the money at all for that power time for some news from you These are things submitted at our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit.com if you are not in there get in there There's a ton of people from the audience going in there Submitting stories, which are welcome to do or even if you just want to vote on the stories that are in there Let me know what you're interested in hearing on the show really helps me put it together every day Captain Kipper pointed out the NASA post that the US Space Agency has granted contracts to Boeing and SpaceX to carry crews into space each contractor will conduct manned test missions to gain Certification then they'll be on the hook to carry out two to six crewed missions to the ISS and it turns out Jeff Bezos's blue origins sneaked in a little on Boeing's money United Launch Alliance Which is a joint venture of Boeing and Lockheed is going to team up with Blue Origin to build The rockets and capsules ULA will build the capsules Blue Origin will build the BE for rockets to launch them The goal of all of this NASA's program is to end reliance on Russia for delivering crew to the ISS by 2017 I think they paid Boeing 2.5 billion dollars the government awarded them 2.5 billion or roughly one Minecraft Really they only got oh no SpaceX got one Minecraft Boeing got almost two Minecrafts It looks like Boeing has it. Well, it's one of those weird government things a maximum potential value of the contract Okay, is 4.2 billion for Boeing 2.6 in Microsoft paid space money Yeah, and you were pointing out previously Sony had some bad news that they lost a space money They lost one unit of space money two billion or some phones crazy The Corley posted an R&D mag story that researchers at the University of Missouri Mizzou have created a long-lasting efficient nuclear battery that could be used in automobiles and even possibly in spaceflight as Described in research published in the journal nature Don't let the nuclear part of this scare you associate professor of electrical and computer engineering and nuclear engineering J Kwan says this is similar to technology already used in fire detectors and exit signs The battery uses strontium 90 in a water-based solution with a titanium dioxide electrode in other words It's a liquid it doesn't freeze easily and it puts out efficient electricity Years from practicality who knows but that that could be interesting if we had nuclear powered cars from strontium batteries You want a strontium car One of those along my house as long as like we all don't get radiated and our kids don't get right three eyes I'm good with that. You say nuclear and people just kind of lose. Exactly. Yeah Metal Freak and digs a lot both noticed articles on the cosmos browser which transfers data over sms I was looking at the mucked article that Metal Freak submitted This is very useful for users who can't afford a phone with a data plan developer Stefan Aleksic of cold or the of cold sauce Developed the text only browser which texts URLs to a Twilio number Which then forwards it to a node.js service that gets the HTML strips it of everything but the text So it gets right all the images and the scripts and everything Compresses that text and sends it along as a series of SMS messages The browser then receives the messages decompresses them and displays the text as a single page The code is open source and targeted at Android devices if you want to find out more about it Look for the cosmos browser from cold sauce on github Interesting and it was a private a commercial service. So you wonder if somewhere along the bay chain there someone could shut that off Even though it's open source. Yeah, I you gotta be on a message plan that can handle that amount of messages most of these Places that don't that rely on feature phones more often usually have free incoming text messages So that that could cause some some carriers to start to review that policy of allowing free incoming messages I suppose but But somebody's gonna be paying for them. So the node.js service whoever's running that's gonna have to pay for them It's clever though. It's really got a lot of innovation, especially as it brings More understanding and knowledge people can't afford it. Yeah, absolutely. So good stuff. Good. Good job cold sauce and Stefan Aleksic and that is a look at the headlines Real quickly, I know I've been talking about it all week for those who listen closely every day But I want to remind folks I can't I wrote a novella. It's a it's a mystery called events of a different nature to private Investigators who may or may not be dogs They never admit it are in a neighborhood in northern, California trying to fight crime and make the world a better place It's it's short. It's only 120 pages and you can get a free version if you just want to try it out I've also got print versions ebooks for Kindle and all of that check it out Tom Meribooks calm Let me know what you think. I had a lot of fun writing it. I'll blurb it want me to blurb it Yeah, if you would that'd be great. I'd be honored if you blurb it All right, let's talk about Apple watch So you were mentioning at the beginning of the show that you did what you call it a flash, right a flash analysis we did a really quick survey of Gigome readers and with all the disclaimers that that entails knowing these are readers of a blog they're they're tech-savvy and They're generally no Gigome has a lot of Apple fans because they used to have that Apple blog So sure all that to say we did a survey about a hundred of them to get the initial reaction And I wrote a report about it for Gigome as well as kind of we've been some of my own analysis I've looked quite a lot at the smart watch market. So It was interesting is one of the one of the things I would say is It did really well. They kind of they sang to the choir people loved it and they so they didn't they didn't with the Apple watch Upset anyone I guess they didn't people didn't come out of there going. This is a terrible as we're disappointed But when we asked them about what they think their hurdles will be I thought it'd be price. I mean it's 350 bucks. It seemed a little pricey, right? Yeah But especially because you know it's going to be a thousand dollars for some of those models that they talked about 350 Model for a hundred or four thousand with the gold on it But but that wasn't the biggest concern with regards to will this thing succeed What was the biggest concern? Broadly when people kind of stepped on look at it was the fact that you essentially needed an iPhone It was required to essentially make this thing work And I get why they did it Apple would basically have to do that But it does kind of work raise the total cost of ownership for people and basically go from 350 dollars to the fact You have to have a data plan It's really hobbled without it And so that's what people really saw as kind of a showstop in terms of how widely this thing gets adopted What could limit adoption now when you say they had to do that You mean they had to do that because there are functions You just can't pack into the watch or do you mean they had to do that because they need to boost the iPhone sales or both I Think that to work to to make a standalone smartwatch that can Communicate without an iPhone is hard to do because you probably have to pack in LTE or some form of Cellular radio, but I think when I say they had to I mean more that they they really wanted to people people to be this as an add-on to an iPhone and kind of part of the broader iPhone universe rather than Be something that is standalone and independent of it And so that's really what I think they did and I understand why they did it because They want people to come back and and have their wife revolve around iOS devices around iPhone and I would do the same exact thing But at the same time They're really limiting the total potential sales. They could potentially double their sales at this thing for example work with Android phones Is it the kind of thing where I Want to I'm trying to compare it to previous Apple products, right? The iPod came out It was only for Mac at first and then eventually they came out with a version that you could use with Windows same with the iTunes store iPad came out you could use you could use sync it with anything because they already had iTunes But that was because the infrastructure was already built there They do this sometimes where they come out with a device and they say well It's only gonna work in our own universe for now, but sometimes they adapt to realities I don't see them ever coming up with an iron Android app that would sync with the Apple watch But do you think down the road we see an Apple watch that could? Be better with an iPhone but still be totally usable with that one I mean this one can do some things without the iPhone, but it's very limited. I Think over time they could expand the family and I think what's more likely is to create a standalone smart watch that didn't necessarily require An iPhone to live and breathe in and be of high value didn't necessarily have to be a parasite as they call it I Can see that I don't know if they'll ever create an Apple watch that worked with an Android phone. I just don't see them doing that. Yeah, I don't know but creating a standalone Apple watch I think that could be in the cards down the road. Yeah, and especially as Data becomes more pervasive Chips become smaller even for things like LTE modems if you can if you can affordably pack a 3g modem into that watch. They'll do it It's just a matter of when yeah, and let's be honest. This is their first toe in the water of Where of wearables they're really like most of us trying to see where this thing is going to go And I think they're gonna learn a lot over the next few years. I mean no one really knew exactly How fast and furious that the tablet market would grow is remember 2010 You know the predictions for the the iPad were you know a lot people were saying all those sell two million dollars to two million iPads first year They sold out 15 million. Yeah, but I think that probably even exceeded their expectations, but that shows you how variable The sales could be and really we don't know what this is gonna do and I think they're waiting to see what happens first I tell you what man. I've been all over the place trying to predict stuff Apple TV I was really excited about I bought one the minute it was announced and it was much more sluggish than I expected iPad I thought would do okay a little better than most people But I didn't predict the 15 million no like like no one else You know I I was shocked to that as well this one. I'm looking at and I'm like I just don't see this taking off, but it could be wrong. It could be the thing that blazes the trail But just you know just to be clear This is no different than when Samsung put out the galaxy gear It has a lot of the same criticisms like oh I have to buy a Samsung Galaxy phone to use it And it's limited in what it can do and it's a little bit expensive So it's Apple hasn't done something in my opinion that changes the game other than that interface I think I hate that they call it a digital crown just call it a scroll wheel or it doesn't feel as nearly as rushed I mean, I feel like it came out a year a full year after the galaxy gear. I feel like there's some Platform integration there that is really gonna be hard and gives them some real Unfair advantages to use business school terms Relative to others Apple pay integration health can integration home can integration You know, they've been laying the foundation there it took him, you know, they announced that all at WWDC Those initiatives and coming out now with those and this kind of being maybe What they expect to be one of the primary interfaces for those platforms Those are the real advantages it will take a year or two to flush that out But I think that's huge. I don't see those types of advantages for For Samsung, especially is they they're just switch they're switching the operating system at the first and they went to Tyson So clearly Samson was just putting out a piece of hardware Apple's putting out a real platform with all that ties into their entire ecosystem So the things you can do with it without having the iPhone connected Is it it can track your steps, right? Good, I can't do the GPS stuff, but it can do it can do some fitness tracking It can play music because it has a certain amount. We don't know how much but it has a certain amount of storage on there And what am I missing? There's I Think it it has BLE in it. It has NFC in it. Um, and I so Apple pay I think you can maybe do Apple pay. Yeah, maybe Apple pay I think it's still a bit unclear what all you can do if the phone isn't on your person What I'm what I'm trying to what I'm trying to get at is what they should have done is say It's a credit card It's a fitness tracker. It's an iPod nano. It's the Apple watch And then they add the phone in and say and if you have a phone it can do all these other great things as well All of a sudden the conversation has changed, right? And everybody's like, oh my god That's the most amazing at watch ever it can do all these things without even needing a phone. I Agree, I think maybe that's for the Super Bowl. But hey, we listen to Johnny. I have with this. Yeah, not a white box Yeah Narrate for five minutes, so that was great We should also acknowledge of course iOS 8 rolling out And as always when there's a new iOS update, there are lots of problems It took me about an hour all told to get it onto my phone I made an uncharacteristically wise decision and did not install it on my iPad Which I used to play the music on the show because I wanted to be able to play the music on the show So I will add it to the iPad later My first impression is when unlike iOS 7 when you install iOS 8 It is not immediately apparent that you have installed iOS 8 a lot of the changes are not under the hood per se But they're they're hidden away. It's not a big, you know visual change from the beginning But it's working fine. I have an iPhone 5 here that I've got it on so it's an older phone And I haven't seen any particular slowdown Some of the features are nice. The first thing I did was put Swift key on it That's my favorite Android keyboard and having it show up on my iPhone was like a revelation I'd never with I've never been happier about a virtual keyboard You know, I you're a braver man than I doing that before but yeah, like you said You didn't mess up your theme you said so that was important. Yeah, I stayed off the iPad And you said you're gonna probably be called in to to assist some tech support later on Yeah, a lot of people are complaining especially if you have a smaller capacity iPhone like a 16 gig You're going to have to delete things if you want to do an over-the-air update So if you have a smaller iPhone, especially if you have a lot of data on it It's probably wiser to plug it in and let iTunes download the update and then bring it over to the iPhone Rather than having to delete stuff while you cash a copy of it over there It's just it's just a sad fact of storage that 16 gig is not enough to do Update it's not iPhone 6 reviews coming to yeah tech crunches Daryl Etherington says it's the best smartphone for your money Wall Street Journal's Jeffrey Fowler says the battery died just before the five s's Verges David Pierce was astonishing. I felt the sensor on the cameras astonishingly fast with autofocus Nilay Patel thinks he could use the 6 plus for almost everything. He does Editing Docs was watching video doing messaging Josh Tupolsky over a business week. I think it's too big and Molly Wood our friend Molly Wood over at the New York Times says the 6 is a little too small the 6 plus is a little too big So they didn't they didn't get the size right. I You know, I have you have you had a chance to put your hands on one. I haven't No, I'm gonna go to the Apple store this weekend Mainly because my son is such an Apple fanboy that he'll want to see it Yeah, just just want to see it in person. Well, I want to hear your reviews Audience any of you who get one this weekend send us an mp3 or call 51259 daily or just email us feedback at daily tech news show Dot-com let us know your impressions of iPhone 6 and and we'll select some representative samples to read on the show Because these folks who get the iPhone 6 ahead of time are carefully selected They're not I don't think they're carefully selected to be fan people I mean Molly Wood is not a fan person of The iPhone but they are carefully selected to be people in the industry that they know they kind of know how they're gonna react So I'm always curious to see how just the like general public reacts to these things once they actually are in the wild Yeah, I haven't seen I haven't seen Walt Osborne review now He he's a little old-school, but man. He he uses honest take and Nilae Nilae, but a good walk with using that as your main phone. I hope you're not writing reports on that I can imagine you like power work on like a phone Yeah, absolutely old school. I'm kind of old school that way I guess yeah He's saying that the iPad could actually become his laptop I the fact that you can't do like seven windows at once on an iPad will always keep me from For being able to we said that about the six plus the phone I thought like he's actually said no, he said he said the six plus to become his regular thing And then the iPad would be his laptop that he got it sometimes When he needed more a little more screen or more real estate. Yeah, exactly Take a look at the calendar tomorrow September 18th or as we call it around here today Is the next conference in Seoul, Korea focusing on startups? That's in Korea. They call it today because it's already there Also on September 18th Qualcomm is hosting a mobile developers conference called uplink with a queue at the end And earnings will be released for Oracle tomorrow as well Our pick of the day comes from Andrew Maze. It's called Sky Rome He says you were talking about prepaid sims and other international data options I was doing some research the other day and found a 3g hotspot solution that cost $10 a day for unlimited data and Supported in over 40 countries the services called Sky Rome and Sky Rome Com might be worth taking a look for the data hog on the go That could end up being pricey on a longer trip But if you if you just need it for a few days That's not bad unlimited data even if it is 10 bucks and then Derek wrote in said I wanted to throw out TEP Wireless TEP as another option when traveling abroad they offer 3g mobile hotspots and cover a good portion of the world I always use it on my trips to Europe paying about six to seven dollars for a hundred fifty megabytes a day Unused data is rolled over they can ship it or you can pick it up or drop it off at airports So it's really convenient. It's a great option if you don't need phone slash SMS and only need data plus You can attach as many devices as you want to it. That's TEP wireless comm 150 is about what I used when I was traveling too So if I was conservative on the first day or two and built up a little pad, I could see that working pretty well Do what do you do when you travel abroad Michael? well, I always make sure I Check with my carrier and make sure that I'm not gonna kill but I usually get a plan or kind of a special Plan when they go overseas. I don't feel a lot of overseas travel. Okay, but honestly, yeah We'll send your picks folks to feedback at daily tech news show comm and you can find my picks a daily tech news show comm slash picks Finally our messages of the day first one is a voicemail from Dominic Still carrying on the conversation about Microsoft's acquisition of minecraft Hello, Tom and Jenny. This is Dominic and I wanted to chime in on the mohang story I have a couple concerns about the future a minecraft and One of my concerns is obviously with Microsoft buying is what that's going to mean for a long-term Linux support Which is how we play that game in our house and I'll think Microsoft has the best interest to continue development for Linux distributions. Also, I'm concerned that the That you only had to buy the game once and what you only had to buy it once I've had it for a couple years now, but as my kids friends continue to get it They believe when they buy the version that they can play with You know, did the kids can play together, but about I'm concerned that a Microsoft buys it that Then they'll turn it into a cycle where a new version of minecrafts are come out every year or two And then we have to go buy new copies of the game without And then break the back catalog for kids being able to play where they have to always buy the updated version similar to like Call of duty. So that's what my concerns are starting to drag it out a little long. Thanks for the great show Hey, thanks, Dominic appreciate the the call. I think a lot of people are afraid of what Microsoft is going to do But I don't think any of us really know what they're going to do And I personally don't feel they'll do a lot of the things that people are afraid of because it would kill the Investment that they have Microsoft is not nearly as Linux hostile as they used to be they actually have some Linux products now So I don't see why they wouldn't continue to develop minecraft for Linux. What's what's your take on this acquisition Michael? Well, I feel like a lot of people still view Microsoft through the lens of like in the late 1990s Microsoft when they were all Omnipotent and all-powerful and very much trying to get everyone to work in their universe I don't feel like that's the case anymore I don't feel like they did anything ultra disenfranchising around the Skype acquisition feel like they've done a pretty good job with that I don't think they've seen a ton of people abandon that. I don't you're totally right with this I don't think they're going to basically kill the golden goose by cutting off things like Linux that would disenfranchise the community Yeah, I think the second point he makes about would they come out with maybe they don't require you to buy a new version of Minecraft but they come out with a minecraft 2 that's like a spin-off of it You know, I think they can make enough money selling packs of things to people and that's what Mojang has done through this whole thing It's why they don't charge you for a second copy of minecraft that they wouldn't have to do that But that's the kind of thing I'd be more wary of because Microsoft marketing department might say oh well There's no risk. We're not gonna take away the other one Let's put out a second version and see how that goes and try different things I think Microsoft like the game studios that the Xbox folks Try to monetize by trying to pay people to love you know pay up for new versions all the time So I would worry about that a little bit But I feel like I'm sure the Minecraft people had maybe even some stipulations and in the in the acquisition context is don't Don't ruin this. Yeah, even though not just getting out and and the other guys are gonna I feel like they wouldn't necessarily want people to ruin what they created Sam from Maryland writes in and says I just wanted to write in about the comment Tom made on Monday show about considering the Moto X Over the iPhone 6 wanted to make sure you're all aware of the concerns of the new models battery life Written about here at droid life comm as much as I want to recommend a Moto X It's not great by if you consider battery life a critical factor for your smartphone I say this is a diehard Android purist no hate on Apple I currently use an XS 5 which has the same battery size and similar screen as the new Moto X And I could never make it wait from wake to bed on a full charge and I've heard that about the Motorola Phones particularly my wife using a Motorola phone. She was upset the battery charge That's why they had the Moto max, but then it the eye You know we we heard in those iPhone 6 reviews that the iPhone 6 plus has or the iPhone I guess it was just the 6 not the 6 plus didn't have great battery life But so that that is definitely a factor to take into account. That's why we need the nuclear phone batteries Imagine if that battery technology became we ended up with nuclear phone batteries It's crazy and finally Allison Sheridan who again, I should thank for helping fill in on iPhone announcement day last week Wanted to send us a note. She says tonight. She sent it a couple days ago We took uber to the beach for dinner and drinks both drivers Talked to us about Lyft and told us they could give us $30 off our first ride So I guess they took it there and back and each time they had a different driver who tried to convert them from uber to Lyft so, you know, it's a small data sample, but It looks like maybe Lyft is pushing some drivers who work for both sides to do a little marketing for them That's smart. It's intriguing. A little underhanded but smart. Yeah. Well, yeah It's kind of underhanded on all sides in that situation, isn't it? Hey, thanks Michael Wolf for joining us technology.fm Slash the smart home show is one of your newest is it your newest show I would imagine Yeah, it's it's right in my wheelhouse. I've been following the connected home since the late 90s I'm a little guy with gray hair, but I've been following it since Why before Wi-Fi was a thing and and the smart room's really taken off. I love talking about it And yeah, anyone who's interested in the smart home Have a listen check us out. Yeah, I know we have some enthusiasts out there in the audience who are into Lifex bulbs and smart locks and and and Zigbee and all of the stuff that you talk about on that show So definitely check it out folks technology.fm slash the smart home show and Thanks to our 4281 patrons the fact that the number has gone up again just floors me you guys are the best I appreciate your faith in the show It's a perfect. 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Okay, I'm I'm helping patreon produce podcast and they're gonna be talking to creators So fantastic keep an eye out for that and maybe we'll have you on You know, I did a little I did a little conversation with Jack Conti and a couple of his VC guys Right before they did the announcement and that was a lot of fun So I would love to do something like that. Yeah, and we're focusing in on the creators The guys are using the platform and I think it's I think what they do know there's a green That's why I decided to do it, but we'll have you on them. I would yeah, I would absolutely love to do that That'd be fun. Cool. I didn't know you're doing that. That's fantastic. Yep Don't forget folks. You can have a voice in what stories we cover at our subreddit daily tech news show reddit comm You can email us feedback feedback at daily tech news show comm call us 51259 daily Listen to the show live at 430 Eastern 130 Pacific at mobile.alpha geek radio comm and visit our website Daily tech news show comm tomorrow whether it's Friday or Thursday where you are Peter Wells from the Reckoner in Australia We'll be with us. Talk to you then The thump. Do you always have a thump? Yeah, that's all it. Yeah, unless I accidentally cut it off But most of the time it's there Yeah, I didn't mention the time well I think it'll be on the next couple weeks. Our first guest was Zach Wiener Smith Who from Saturday morning breakfast or whatever? Okay? He's a webcomic guy, but uh Yeah, that's cool. I didn't know I didn't know they were gonna do a regular podcast like that I knew Jack was wanting to do some stuff like in advance of the of the announcement Yeah, you know, what else are gonna spend their bet your money on then these highly expensive podcasts Because you know how much it's cost to make right now. This probably cost a million dollars today. Yeah, just today Just this 30 minutes. You don't know that Michael and I did yeah Because the bits are encased in gold. Yeah I have I flew first-class from upstairs to Was it Elon Musk powered? Yeah, well, I was bowing Or blue so what is it? I always want to think Bezos space company's blue steel blue origin But I know blue steel by the way, they're bringing we got it back Did you see that blue blue steel is the look Bezos gives whenever SpaceX gets funded By the way, do you know they're bringing out number two of that movie? Are they I'd heard something about that Well, Farrell talk and he said Mugato is gonna be in the movie. So fantastic That that's hilarious. All right Well, we're just we just stick around after the show as you probably remember and just chat But if you need to take off take off whenever well, I need to ask what is the law? What is the average time someone sticks around because? Mystery it's either it's zero to zero to full, right? Either people just take off right after the show is done And then then Jenny and I just chat with the audience or if they stick around usually people stick around the whole way Which we're usually out of here by 215 to 20 in the audience in the chat room basically. Yeah Yep, and then Jenny and I usually just chat about whatever random things are coming to our head while I'm editing Technology mostly I divert it to things like movies and Television yeah, I thought you're gonna jump in there on the Zoolander thing No, cuz I'm still writing the show notes. No Actually, I'm working In isn't me. I was a huge Zoolander. I mean, I'm a big I'm a big Ben store fan Did you see secret life of Walter MIDI? I Haven't I did it was much better than I thought it was gonna be from here Yeah, and I thought he was I was skeptical of him in what's essentially a straight roll And Kristen Wiig in what is pretty much a straight roll and they both nailed it. I thought it was fun really good Yeah, I Don't know. Yeah, I mean he feels like the kind of guy. He's almost so He's a little bit Woody Allen. It's right. He's kind of that kind of guy to me Like yeah, a lot of different types of roles He is the most serious funny guy out there sure even his even his comedy always goes to straight man in some version You're right. That's a really good point. Yeah And I I guess I should have thought well if he's good at a straight man He should be good. Did you hear his interview with Mark Marin on WTF? Mm-hmm. No, I haven't I'm up here WTF family. That's a great one. That's a great one That was the first podcast I ever listened to With any regularity That's no, that's that's how you tell someone's podcasting generation Jenny is of the newer podcasting generation Then like before that Tom always your first podcast like outside of like, you know anything you were involved with was like the one you kind of subscribed to I believe it was Coverville It was either Coverville or Jawbone radio was one of those two those were the first two that I had And then I also listened to one called drive or watched one called drive time Which was a guy doing a video podcast in? 2006 I didn't in 2005 From his car was it called I drive slowly No, it's just it just had the camcorder set up on his dash And then he would record himself talking while he drove and every once in a while He'd have guests who would get in the passenger. That's awesome the guest So he basically he proceeded Jerry Jerry you comedians and cars getting yeah. Yeah, it was random a guy in car So has anyone ever done the where are they now podcasting edition? That's a great idea though. No, I doubt it. I haven't heard of it. Yeah Yeah, like find like the ten original podcasts that everybody listened to and find out what they're all doing now I mean, I could tell you one's really easy Brian if it is doing the morning stream, but he's still doing Coverville, too Yeah, of course But I just I was just thinking about that like You know how they occasionally look back on all those old YouTube stars and right right No I geek out a little bit sometimes when I think about the fact that I Regularly hang out with Brian Ibbett on shows and Len Peralta is on my show every Friday And those were my I'd those those guys were Some were famous to me before I ever met them That's cool. That's always cool when you kind of meet people that you love their stuff And you get to know them a little bit later Home so like I'm you know, I started in home like in 2005 Six so it was weird to actually go work at gig home. Oh, yeah He was like maybe the granddaddy of tech bloggers, right? He's there until before definitely. Yeah, one of them for sure What are we gonna call this show Jenny? Oh, yeah, it's like a four-way tie Yeah, um Actually like cold web sauce Yeah, I kind of like that one too. I'm not a crout or a crout sourcing these. Yeah show bot dot reflex dot org El Khalif in our chat room created this for us It allows people in the chat room to do bang ass to submit a title idea at any time during the show And then they can go to that page and vote on everybody else's ideas I'm reading from the bottom up. I'm safe at any rad is actually very nader nader full of nader goodness Something about cold web sauce just Appeals to me so Tommy gotta tell me is your is your novella? Does it have any science fiction elements or is it pure straight mystery? No, it doesn't have any science fiction elements really this one Because I've noticed a lot of mystery writers. I mean I read a lot of mystery There's a lot of cross on her now than there's more than they used to be so you see You know big writers going into fantasy elements and you see them bringing science fiction elements And I just I've noticed that Blake Crouch is one of the the guys who's big on Amazon like as a self-published guy He mixes it all up and he started with straight thrillers But it's just interesting. I think his his science fiction Series it's it's a three-part three-scale license my box and it's gonna debut into this 15 is oh cool Yeah, this is I guess this is more fantasy since the the main characters are unacknowledged dogs Yeah, that's true But it doesn't have any other science fiction Well, oh iPhone not included just leaps to the top I gotta figure out the title before because I can't do anything more on my on my editing until I do think Let me look again iPhone not included. Yeah, that's that's to the main topic too. Yeah, all right you win 40 thieves Does he do they get anything like a t-shirt he gets self-satisfaction And the knowledge of a title well-crafted Yeah, we need interns and then we could start doing things like giving away t-shirts and stuff We also need more t-shirts Fine fine, that's a very good point I think if you give like that you get one title you get something like a virtual that they come up Do you ever had repeat title givers like oh, yeah, if you like the superstars need to get like It's enough. It's a It can get a little ugly if people start winning a lot, you know, and then they're they're getting stuff like, you know You know when people start to hack show That coffee mug decals Yeah, maybe like just every time you get a You could just have a we could just give out an image. It says I picked the title for episode blah blah blah Like a badge. Yeah, like a badge. That's what I was looking for. That was the word I couldn't think of But 40 thieves says I feel very satisfied. So there you go And again, I would have to then go back and look at everyone who won a title and give them a badge No, you're not retroactive There is no retroactive because it all too much work. We'll start it on January 1st 2015 Be like the new thing for 2015. Thanks Mike. Thanks for creating more work. Yeah Thanks a lot, man with your good ideas Thanks, Michael Wait, what is an update to the carrier settings for your iPhone is available. I'm already downloading the software Do I also have to update the carriers? What carry you on? AT&T. Yeah That's just that's just that might just be a random coincidence But every once in a while carriers will update their settings so that they make it more efficient for you to connect Oh TV Z Gun says it's tracked in the wiki the the people who Actually, we could probably entrust someone with the distribution of the badges. I know someone who makes really great. Well Uh decals, but I know that person too I have that decal on my wallet on my Computer I have decal everywhere I like this idea of giving out a badge if we can make it efficient like that We're gonna give out a badge for news from you. We did we did it for the first one We didn't do it for the second one. Oh, right. Yeah, we had a nice little news from you badge that lends Yeah on the first episode of news from you we did it I remember that All right, what am I doing? What am I doing? I got my notes all ready to go iOS 8, how are you? Oh, yeah, I guess I can start upgrading my iPad here What if it permanently breaks? Well, that would be sad I guess I will be researching, uh, android sound boards if that happens Yeah Oh location. Yes. Oh now I have to get this thing out again you know Enough with the password are we just like this is the ambient sounds of someone. It's telling iOS 8 Exactly It's like all right fine. I will now go get my very super complicated iPhone apple password that you made me do all I didn't make you do anything the apple i'm referring to apple. Yeah, so like All right, now this is another step He and I can't even access, uh, my password keeper on my phone So I have to type it in like a dumb ah Technology verifying the update. Whoo live iOS 8 installation videos on youtube check them out We'll clip this out and it'll go viral Make a podcast out of it Oh, man. I was uh, my friend, uh, rust pits from formerly of polygon Uh, was in town and we were having dinner last night and uh, I saw this Email about PewDiePie turns his podcast into exclusive for mlg.tv And I just started ranting. I was like, it's not a podcast then if it's an exclusive video on mlg Dot tv it's an exclusive video on mlg dot tv like I get but it had been a podcast so I I get what they were saying but Formerly a podcast now right now an exclusive on mlg dot tv And the bigger story anyway is that this is youtube's biggest star doing a deal with somebody who's not youtube, right? So that it is a legit story of being taken advantage of Well, I don't know if that sounds a little hypey to me He's not he's not cancelling his youtube channel. I think he's just being a smart businessman and saying like hey Totally I never got over the uh percentages there That's the thing I never recovered from no, I wrote it wrong Oh the password. Yeah, this is the problem with the just say it out loud while you type it Yeah, I mean people could literally actually watch my mouth move and figure out what the professor did That's not good. This is terrible This is probably something I should do while you're we're not on at least cover It's like a credit card terminal. You should go or like a bait or like a baseball pitcher, you know, right, right? He's gonna hear Well, I'm typing my password in Terrible I gotta do this later. I'm not gonna do this now Oh, well, I was all excited to like reveal iOS 8 and now I still enter What am I waiting for? I don't think I'm waiting for anything I oh, I'm waiting for myself To publish the post That's what I'm waiting for and then I need to view the post and make sure that I didn't screw up the file I screwed up one small thing every day when you are away one thing every day It's amazing It was like clockwork Yep files fine files working. Yay All right. I'm out of the posts And we should get out of your face Ladies and gentlemen so that jenny can go finish putting in her password Without you tell if that's a number or a letter. That's different Oh, man Bye everybody