 Welcome to Reader Syndicate 3.0, the next evolution of the look into counterculture that is Canada. My name is Matthew, owner of Riot Seeds, and this started as a one-man mission for strain history and breeding science. Over time, it's evolved into something bigger, better, and more of a team effort. We will be joined by members of the Cannaluminati and other friends throughout the season to hear their takes on grow techniques, breeding science, strain history, and more. Our mission is to combat the narrative that corporate cannabis and seed posers are obfuscating for their own financial benefit. Welcome to the Underground. We are The Syndicate. This is a bit of a tangent, although Dan I think touched on it somewhat. Matt, what are your opinions on like mother care? I know it's kind of like its own topic in many ways, but you just spend a few minutes on it. What do you mean? Like what specifically? How different is your approach to treating like your mothers versus like your plants that you're about to maybe flower? I mean, one of the main differences is you're not, you're completely training them differently. You know, you're training them for clones for the most part as opposed to for something that you're going to flower out. So you're feeding it much differently. You're not feeding it the heavy PK, it's never going to bloom. You can give it a nice round regimen. A lot of times what I'll use the moms to do, like seed plant moms is to make seeds, more seeds and clones. And that's about it. Yeah, I mean, it's just it's such a different mindset. I mean, realistically, like it's it's a lot easier to run a bedroom of moms for clones than it is to ever flower anything. Because, you know, most of the fuckups come in flower, right? Everybody can grow and veg pretty well for the most part. I'm curious as well. This is more the practical side of things. Like do people give their moms like less light and stuff as well, just because they don't, you know, don't need as much or, you know, are there other things you can kind of like skimp on? Yeah, I mean, you could throw them under T5s and have them grow even slower, but still stay healthy. There's all there's a lot of different things you can do to maybe retard growth without without affecting it or hurting it too much. When I was running the 600 watt double ended CMHs, I would always run them at 300, like just half strength because it never needed to be more than that. They could stay healthy. They didn't eat too aggressively. That meant I didn't have to do as much training as much cleaning as much maintenance because that's that is the other side of it. Like it's constant maintenance and cleaning. We have a bunch of moms in the room. Yeah. Yeah. I guess if we wanted at some point, we could do a little episode on like mother care. Sure. Yeah. If you guys want to see us do an episode on mother care, leave a comment below and maybe maybe we'll do it even though I fucking hate gross shows. I'm still stuck on the fact that you're a house and garden boy. Yeah. Yeah, I am. I like I like house and I like that. I met the owner of house and garden U.S. Steve Gearder. What? Was it Steve Gearder? I'm pretty sure it was a dude in San Diego who owns the hydroponic stores down there. He owns what was it? It's like the main hydro stores down there. I'm totally blanking right now, but he also was like the house and garden duty always hooked me up. So like, I don't know, man. I'm very, very, I'm a little biased when it comes to house and garden because they did treat me very well no matter what. But that's important to me. I like to be treated well by a company that I support. And you know, I was nobody when they were treating me well. You know, I still have nobody and they treat me well. It's kind of cool. I used to buy cases of shooting powder. You know, that's the one product I've never used. I've never used shooting powder. Never have. Yeah, that's cool. It works. What is that? It's a bloom booster. It'll like make your flower. It's definitely got some PGRs of some sort in it because it makes your flowers reset bloom. And so you'll be in like week six and you'll get a full flush of white hairs. So what do you, what do you meant to use it for? It's to shoot instead of root. Like it's supposed to convert the plant over from shooting to rooting or rooting to shooting. That's the idea. Yeah. It's just like enhanced flowering. And so you can like up your yields, like 10, 15%, like adding a packet of powder to like a 50 gallon res once or twice in week six. It works. Right. Yeah. I see. I see. Anything else on a bitch in general, any, any, any weird stuff that comes to mind that people do that you're like, why? I'll, I'll talk to you in one weird thing. A lot of people, like I'll see it in forums on Instagram. When people see red stems, they automatically assume it's a deficiency, but there are a lot of genetics that one of the traits is red stems. So don't assume just because you're seeing red stems that it's a deficiency because there are a lot of genetics that are red stemmed. That's about it. That's all I care to. Yeah. I do get on every single plant regardless. So I assume it may not be genetic, but that's something to eliminate too. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else for anyone local? Any, any last thoughts on this before we move on to cloning? Local falsely. Maybe the mic's not working again. It's all right. Anyone else? If not. I think it's a good idea to go over to earn because so kind of similar to the German nation one. I think, yeah, like I said earlier, earn just does a really good job of like accounting for the things he's seen as he was learning. And also, also, earn has actually filmed a little cloning tutorial for us and might be the first of more maybe this one that that we will probably release next week or something. I don't know. I haven't talked to Matt about it. Yeah. I don't know what he calls or what we call call us tech has a few other names. But anyway, sorry, that's just a way to introduce earn. Yeah, for sure. I mean, like, I said, like, I've talked about this in a bunch of different episodes, or like a bunch of different a few different episodes, but I have tried I tried the WC and stuff and you know, I've done those kind of things. I've also tried cloning that way. You know, so the owners and stuff like that. And like they, they work, obviously they work, you know what I'm saying. But for me and my setup, I just found that like the most consistent way for me to clone and like cheapest and easiest and just all around like lowest maintenance like and it works every time for me. Has been this calla step. And, you know, the way that I found out about it was through that slow nickel on Instagram and basically when you cut your clone, it goes the end of your clone goes down and sticks out in the bottom of your cube. That's it. And you just have this clean dry area where the end of your cut like the cut in can form a callus and heal it and like, you know, close itself up and it like keeps bacteria and pathogens stuff like that and getting up inside there. And it just made sense to me like I was like, duh, like if I get a cut on my finger, I'm going to leave it open to air. And I'm going to let it like form a scab and then it's going to heal, you know, so that was just made so much sense to me. So that's what I started doing. I tried, I went through a bunch of different. I've used a ton of different like rooting hormone solutions, you know, I've used Clonix, I've used Dip and Grow, I've used the stuff they sell at Lowe's. So, you know, whatever I've tried it. So now I've kind of settled on using Dip and Grow just because it's cheap. It's, I mean, it's super cheap. It lasts forever and it's, and it works. So I use it. And then I use Rockwool cubes because they're cheap and easy for me to get and that I like the way that they dry back. I think having dry backs is important for like it's important for clones to if you have your cubes soaking wet all the time. You know, it's not going to be good for the tissue. So, um, yeah, that's, I don't know how this you want to go. I guess we can loosely say that dry backs are useful when you're trying to pressure roots to grow, right? Like that seems to be a general principle. Maybe this is a good point to pass it to Dan just because Dan, in your mind, what are the kind of other parameters that you should consider when you are cloning? So Erin obviously like just described a specific piece of tech, but what are you thinking about when it comes to like, you know, environment? Yeah. Yeah, so I've had two different types of setups, like most people that are home growing are going to need to use like a variety of different humidity domes. There's like the Mondi domes, I think are the most common ones that everyone gets because they're cheap. I've actually found some cool ones on Amazon that you can get like stacking height extensions for, which I want to try out and just start taking like mega clones and stuff. And they're like super heavy duty plastic. So you don't like ever, like I break those Mondi domes all the time, like the edges start fraying and they can cut your hands up. And same thing with like the 10, 20 trays that people clone in, that's 10 by 20 inches. They break and they rip, they have rough machined plastic edges and you can cut your fingers open all day long if you work in a clone house or a nursery. But I've got a lot of opinions on this shit because it was like my first longest gig was like working in black market nurseries and stuff. And so I've tried literally all of it, you know, like at scale. And so like, I personally like Clonix, but I do appreciate dip and grow as well. It is way cheaper and more cost effective and it's alcohol based. And so you're actually kind of cleaning up that cut edge to, to a certain degree and keeping that in a little more, you know, like fungal and bacterial free. I actually really like the aeroploners, especially when you're just doing like big batches of single cuts. It's the fastest way, or I mean, I've gotten roots about the same speed and P plus as well. But the aeroploners are just cool, man. Like I just think it's a cool piece of tech. They're like a massive amount of work to keep clean because you have to just like gut it and bleach all the internals and it's just kind of pain to run. But I had a really great success just rocking protect and KLN from Dynagro. And then there was a while back, I can't remember what the dude's name was, but he was on IG and he's the one that taught everyone to use pool shock bleach in there. It's like the bleach they use for swimming pools and stuff. And it actually works really well if you have the dilution right to just keep everything really clean. And oh, you don't have to change out your water and but you sometimes you have to run chillers with those two because the pump makes heat. And so you have to like burp the excess heat out of them. Like they're kind of a pain in the ass, but they're cool. But like as far as like rooting media, you have like the three main options of like Grodan, Oasis cubes or Pete plugs. And so like Oasis, I think is like a plastic type material. But you only see dudes from the triangle using those. That's the only time if I ever get clones from dudes in Humboldt or Mendocino, they come in a fucking Oasis cube. They use those in San Diego too. Yeah, I like them too. They definitely drain like free drain the most free like, you know what I mean? You can just tilt it on its side and that water pours right out versus like a Grodan. A lot of times you have to like stack a few of them and like drain the water out and then flip it and even it out. They use a lot in like traditional agriculture. Like I used it when I worked at the flower shop and stuff. And that's why I was the first to aware of them that they were even a product. Yeah, yeah. And like they have their own like compositional differences. I actually like Pete plugs the most. If you have like a, what do they call the riot? Are they the root riots? Yeah, root riots. They have the most airspace and like that I've seen in them. And so they've been sponsoring me by now. For real. But I like those the most. I tend to get roots faster and just healthier, more vigorous cuts with that media for some reason. But I've also noticed a massive difference in quality, depending on who you get them from. Oh, yeah. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. It's there. Yeah. Because like sometimes you open up the case and they've got like aspergillus like blue, green molds and shit growing all over them. And you're like, huh, I don't know if this was added or if it's just growing because it's like humid and sealed. You know. Yeah. Yeah. That's what took me to Rockwell was my local hydroponic store has got those root riot cubes and I would get them all the time. And they started just like the shape of them. It was like there was not enough Pete in the cube, like in the mall. You know what I mean? Like it was like they didn't have enough stuff there. And then I got one batch and I opened them up and they smelled weird. I know that's like super, but I like they smelled sour. And I was like, okay, that's not right. So I just got rid of them and then switched to Rockwell just because like I just never had that issue with them. And you know, but I don't have a strong opinion on those two, you know. Yeah. Rockwell is really nice because I feel like if you get the cube saturation perfect, you don't have to water until roots emerge. Yeah, I don't. I don't at all. Yeah. Yeah. And then at that point you're kind of just vegging in the tray, you know. Yeah. But so that's how I kind of feel Oasis cubes. You definitely have to do one to two small water additions. Like with those ones I would rock like Grote and you can just put right into a 1020 tray and you can drain off the water or put like a slotted tray. The cube in the slotted tray and then the, that one inside the, you know, no holes tray and drain off water that way. But I like to have pearlite underneath the Oasis cubes. And that kind of keeps them out of that water. So when you're doing your water additions, they're not just like completely submerged. It wicks up from like a nice, you need to find pearlite though, not the big inch. You need like a number four, number five. And so you, depending on the media water, the watering scenario may be like drastically, drastically different. So if you're switching those up constantly and like not adjusting other parameters, that's probably why like someone may be having trouble like in their early cloning issues. Also like the cleanliness of the cuttings that you're taking, like when you're indoor and you don't have bug issues and you're on point with your IPM, it's not really a big deal. But if you're taking cuts off of like outside plants, like that actually almost fucked me recently because I had bugs that just came from the environment and almost like ruined my whole growth that I was just starting. And so it set me back like three or four weeks of like having to douse everything in sulfur and like let it grow back to healthy again. Yeah, it's so much easier to like, you can apply some like tissue culture tech that we'll get into next about like how you initiate cuttings. And so like that involves like soaking it in a mild bleach solution and then rinsing that off and putting it in. I've done that when I was trying to save other people's genetic collections where they had like root aphids and spider mite infestations and all that. And there was just no way to do it other than like literally soaking the cuts and bleach before you plug them. And yeah, yeah, it's it's bad. Yeah, before we move on to the tissue culture section, I want to see local look with any thoughts slash if his mic is working now. So I'm cloning. Yeah, we can my Wi-Fi kept disconnecting. Sorry guys. God damn it. Yeah. But anyways, cloning. I got to say environment and plant health, you know, is really important. I'm sure these guys touched a bit on that. But, you know, right now, for example, it's a new house first winter. Not like a new house, but you know what I mean, like a new winter. And it's like I'm getting used to the like temps of the place. And it's just like ambient temps are just way too cold. So I kind of just got to figure out how to keep warm, you know, the space heater makes the room too hot. So even on the low setting, some might have to get a smaller one. So we'll see. But yeah, just environment. Are you keeping one? Yeah, I got my two cats. Yeah, something I was going to throw in there to the local mention, but we didn't, I don't know if we fully touched on. But yeah, just like mom health. You know, obviously that's important. You know, the plant that you're taking the cut from should be healthy, well fed, you know, like you don't want to be taking cuts from like a, you know, a wilted plant. You know, I mean, obviously you can and you can try. But, you know, if you start with like the most healthy plant to take cuttings from that's going to set you up for success as well. Yeah, anything to add to that. No man, mother health, everything for cloning. And of course, like with the hops, late and thyroid, you know, there's a whole bunch of other techniques for cloning that a lot of people have kind of started doing. And I guess that all changes on if you are hinges on if you trade clones or bring in clones from nurseries or whatnot, but that's a whole another episode. And I think we covered that previously in another season. So definitely check out that episode, the tissue culture one. Or HLV episode. Yeah, yeah, HLV. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Okay, awesome. Okay, well, Dan, we can talk, speak to what we can invite you to speak to one of, you know, one of those topics tissue culture, as we have gestured towards. How did you want to start this one? What do you think might be interesting for our listeners? I think just kind of like an overview of the process and then like some of the different texts and like phyto hormones involved in the different steps that may be useful because you can do this stuff at home. You know what I mean? There's all kinds of like home tissue culture guys and home mycology guys that are working out of like invert like, you know, they're literally totes, clear totes on their side, you know, and they are sprammed down with alcohol and like you don't always need a hood. You just have to be, you know, like mindful of what you're doing. Maybe, Dan, one thing here is like, are you able to kind of like indicate like precisely which things can be done at home versus things that like are definitely not doable? Yeah, I think we'll break it down into like three sections is how I have it kind of like broken down in my head. It's like there's micro propagation, there's more advanced techniques like Maristem culturing and like embryo rescue and a few other like more theoretical ones that like people don't use very often. And then like how people develop SOPs. And so I think the only thing that might be more troublesome at home is like the more advanced techniques because you're just dealing with cleanliness and multiple transfers like every time you transfer something at home is like or even in a lab. It's like when you're going to contaminate it. And so it's all possible to do at home though like I know people that have done this shit and just like garages and tents in their house. And so I hope you're ready. I'm no expert in this either like I did a senior year in a tissue culture lab in college and I've been like on the outside looking in and like talking with people that are doing the research and I just kind of keep up on the current topics and like the players involved just so I'm like you know current with the times but like I don't do tissue culture for a living. And so I have a really close colleague that would like he would could speak to this like leaps and bounds but I don't think he wants to like out himself or be very public. But the main thing that like most people are doing is just like multiplying cuts and storing genetics and so that's just micro propagation. And so there's three to four main stages of that and so like your first one is just your mother plant like your ex vitro in your grow room plant and you have to take a cutting off of it right. And so to try and surface sterilize that to the best of your ability. You soak it in a 10% bleach bleach solution and you rinse that off with sterilized water which is like something that you put through like at home it would be a pressure cooker. But if you have a lab and like work with a group it'll be your autoclave which is just a fancy pressure cooker with more controls. And so you have to rinse that off with everything has to be sterile first off so you're like you're working in a nice clean environment with no draft ideally with a laminar flow hood. And you can get those I've seen them people are 3d printing them nowadays and so you can buy those on Etsy now for like 200 bucks. And I've actually got a 3d printer. I have a friend that does 3d printing that I work with and he's an absolute G and so like I kind of want to buy one and then like reverse engineer, you know, and make a better cooler one or just a bigger one for myself, you know with the same premises. But so I'll keep you guys posted on how that goes but see how there's initiation you soak it in bleach and you try and just get that into culture and plate it onto a gelled medium it can be gelled with like a product called gels and or a seaweed product called auger. And normally you don't really need too many hormones to initiate it because you don't really want to root that plant right off the bat. You know what I mean you're just trying to get it into culture and have it be sterile. And so even if you surface sterilize properly. There are a lot of like parasitic endophytes that just live in the plant and a lot of them are bacteria and you'll see these like milky white contaminants that like erupt out of the cut edge that's sitting in the gel. And you can't really always stop it and so like what a lot of people do is they use antimicrobials in the media to kind of make it look like they're doing better than they actually are. Because we've seen it routinely with the work that I've been like watching what my colleagues do is that like they it happens all the time and you can have it in vitro for eight months before it even expresses. And so there's actually you can find them on Google Scholar if you look up cannabis tissue culture contaminants and things like that. There are some public papers that have been published that have like categorization like visual charts to like point you in the direction of like what type of contaminants you have. And then if you actually get past that initiation stage then you go on to stage two which is multiplication. And so at that point you're going to be replating your initiated plant on a variety of different cytokines depending on like what your goal is for that. So if you're taking those and like doing phyto hormone research and things like that where you're just trying to see what the plants going to do with different additives and chemicals add to it. Then you may not want to elongate it that much it all just really depends on what your goals are. But a lot of people are just looking to multiply plants and so right now there's this cool dude called Connor Stevens who's a friend of a colleague of mine and he's out of Cornell University. He recently started a company called Polymorphisms here in California which is a tissue culture lab and like genetic preservation lab for the commercial industry here. And he identified two IP publicly as the most productive cytokine into use for shoot elongation and multiplication. And so you can actually go and look up his research is actually just published recently. And from that stage you can either send it off to more duplication on the same media or you can then take it and you can try and do Maristam cultures on it. Some people like to initiate on Maristam some people like to do it once it's already in vitro. You know I don't really have a comment on like which one's better. But if at that point you are rooting that's when you would take it to the next stage and change the hormones to something like an IBA or an NA which are the active ingredients in products like Clonix and dip and grow. And you can then root your plant and then wash that gel off and take it X vitro and grow it. But yeah there's I've been seeing some really cool stuff like using Paclobutrus all in cultures. It has the research isn't done so I don't want to speak to it too much but it's cool. You can try all kinds of different phyto hormones they're all available through Sigma Aldrich and all kinds of suppliers. That research is pretty still largely unexplored like people are doing it privately but you're not going to be able to read about it. And so I'm very interested in just doing very basic research like that where it's like hey I put this many plants under this varying concentration of NA versus IBA and let's see what they do differently. You know it's super super basic research. But that's how you'd like develop your own SOPs because nobody's really sharing them. And what I found is the publicly researched ones they're published that you can read. They don't all work the same and in all environments with all plants a lot of them are done with hemp which is not a one to one correlation with anything cannabis related for THC production. And those types of chemo bars or whatever you'd like to call them type ones. And so I've noticed that they don't really readily work all the time. But the way that you really develop these SOPs and like the model to think about it is you have to do everything. It's like basic research like plot design. And so like you'll have like say I have like 12 plants and they're in or let's say 16 they're in a four by four grid. They're all in their little Petri dish. I can have it a gradient of like IBA on one side. So like the bottom left is you know like zero micromoles of IBA. So that's the control and then an increasing quantity one micromole five micromoles 10 micromoles. And then on the other access you have it with like NAA or a different phyto hormone. That's cool. So you're actually using like using kind of like the spatial order to help you index like the different. Yeah. And then you can allow everything in between on that access is the combinations of and so you can test multiple chemicals and their effects and the combination of their effects all in one little experiment. That's really clever. You can even stack it vertically and go in a third dimension to and add a third phyto hormone you know like or a third treatment. Yeah exactly. Yeah you can. I don't know if you can take it to 40 but. I guess you could. Yeah you could have this big huge grid and having it go all the way up stacked. But yeah it's really fun. I really enjoy that type of research is because people don't do it and people don't share but I'm very open with information that isn't you know like contracted away from you guys that I can't share. And so. Can I can I pause you here just to invite questions from anyone else this stage. Yeah. Like Matt local have you had any any any interactions with any of these kind of chemicals or experience. Like the lean acetic acid and all the acetic acid and will be shared casted they're all basic rooting different different types of rooting hormones. But not in like agar medium stuff like that I've tried it at home and been very very big a big failure because I wasn't like didn't have a fully clean environment I was trying to do it in the house with dogs and shit so. I don't have a lot of success tissue culture but I do have a lot of failure dealing the tissue culture people. Anybody else has anything they want to add. Okay, anything on this. Yeah, not not much like direct experience I've worked like. In collaboration with labs that have done like DC and shit. So like I've seen it be performed I'm familiar with the process and stuff like that but I've never like done it myself. But I'm definitely interested. It's just it's a lot to get into at once. Yeah. Yeah what I've noticed is that it kind of has to be a focus like the main course for someone. And that's why I haven't like deep dived it is like I just I don't really have the time to hang out in my lab in my basement for six hours a day right now, like maybe in another year or two I can like start going down that path. Yeah, you do need like the project right to frame and constrain what you're doing. Yeah yeah otherwise you're kind of just holding and making a ton of plants. But I really am curious and what I want to get into when I do build my little setup is getting into embryo rescue, because I feel like that's going to be like one of the key things that's like, if you have these old seeds like what is the best way that you could possibly do it like we were talking about earlier and like the best way is in the hands of a really experienced tissue culturist that is like done that research, and I don't personally know that person and so Well I just sent someone off to someone he's one of the most experienced tissue culture people I know of. Yeah. So he even he said like I'm not sure how far along this is but I'm going to give it my best shot, which when he says that to me it tells me there isn't anyone like renowned out there for that specifics but I know if there was there are so many breeders that would pay good money to have certain old seeds at least attempted to be bought, you know, for sure. Well and what I see is like people always want to you have to like sell plants and even nursery right like that's like the the profit motive to like start a tissue culture lab and how you get people to give you money to do that project because it comes to want to do this sort of thing, but at the same time that directly gets in the way of people wanting to give you their oldest stuff that actually has provenance because they think that you're going to turn around and use it and profit from it and sell it to other people maybe against their wishes. So like I think there does need to be room in this space for someone that genuinely is just a preservationist and their little setup is exclusively for genetic holding for specific clients that doesn't ever sell clones. Yep, I agree. And that'll be who's trusted enough for for serious people to trust them, you know, it would take something like that. Yeah, and that's kind of going to be more the angle of like what I want to do with my work is like I don't need to make thousands and thousands and thousands of plants. I just want an easier way to hold more good stuff that it's like I don't have to water it every day I can maintenance it once a month. You know, Absolutely. Yeah, I'm excited to see where embryonic rescue goes. There was a lot of promise about it. Just a few years ago, people making claims that they could take any old seed and do it with it, but you know, it's a lot more complicated than just having an old seed you have to have living cells in there. It can't be totally, you know, dry stuff like that. So before we get all the questions. Yeah, you can't do with any old seed, not every old seed will do it take living cells in it. Man, are you allowed to disclose what you said off with now? Nope. Nope. Nothing. Nothing about it. Not to who nothing. Not yet. Not yet. Yeah, I don't have anything old enough, but I think it is something that's like needed in the community and needs to be focused. And I did have another kind of different angle on this, which is in your experience, like with tissue culture, what have you witnessed as like successes? What have you seen? Like just as far as like techniques and like what's common or like, I just, I guess I just want to hear about like some like some stories, some anecdotes. Tell my story. You know that one. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of stuff. I'll start like this. There's a lot of scammers and TC and cannabis. And there's a lot of people that have like the most base level understanding and like accomplishments in it that like want to sell courses and sell you that they're this guy that can hold your whole library. Like they've all popped up more recently. They're all pretty young cats and like I don't trust any of them. Yeah, like I know people that like do this at like a doctorate level and they don't claim the things that these other people claim and they've been doing it with cannabis for years. Like that research takes a lot of time and a lot of effort. And I don't think that it's like hidden knowledge to any extent like Maristem culture is this Maristem culture. If you've worked in any TC you've probably done it on other plants. So it's definitely totally all possible. It's just like whether those people have actually put the legwork in to teach you how to do it and how to optimize for what you're going to interact with in the real world. Versus there like like there's always one plant that does what you want it to do right like I may be like rooting a dozen plants on the same media and one will always like do really like pretty well unless it's like some weirdo Fucked media but if it's just like a run of the mill like MS media is like the most common one then like there's gonna be something that that responds well to it but the rest won't you know. And so that's what I think is happening is that these people find one recipes and methods that work for one plant in particular their little like model research plants so to speak for their growth. And then they teach that to other people and they're like yep it'll work every time you know. How do you pronounce the MS word. Merchalage and scooch I can't I don't know. It's like a Japanese name and then like like a Scandinavian name like Merchalage something weird yeah. Oh yeah yeah yeah I want to hear someone pronounce it who is actually knows how to pronounce it but I don't know anybody. Yeah I have to like look it up. And if I read it I think I can say it but. Look it up. It's like. And school or scooch. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. That sounds better than my Merchage and scooch. Yeah. It's not there. But that's like all science words honestly like depending on where you go to school people like. Like there's no accents in English right it's just like there's a common way to like say something. And so people will throw like the accent so to speak in the weirdest parts of like long like multi syllable scientific words and I think it's so funny because like. Like heterogeneous heterogeneous you know what I mean like people that I've heard that said like four or five different ways you know what I mean from like professional teachers and stuff. I don't know if it's cannabinoid or cannabinoid I don't know. I think it's cannabinoid but I don't know. Cannabis. Now when it when it comes to intonation like that that is very much like a local thing I think a regional thing. Yeah. If you look at like three syllable words the British and the Americans just like don't do it the same. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah like aluminum. Now you minimum. It's not even spelled that way. Yeah just for us. Is it you guys spell it differently too. Yeah we do yeah. Yeah. Or am I am I am I trolling you. You might be. What was the thing that I tried to. I don't know you've got me a few times. It was about whether birds are mammals I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to tell you that person down. It's not hard to put me on that stuff. Dude I didn't I had to take specific courses to know that shit in college and I still don't know it man like I took a whole mammology course that I got like a fucking D and I was just like sitting there in my senior year and you like had to take an upper division zoology course and I was like fuck this shit I'm a botanist bro I need to be like memorizing animal skulls and like all this stupid shit just to graduate. All you need to know is the monkey in the baboon song. If you don't Google it. I need to know about monkeys and baboons. I learned it from my grandpa when I was a little kid is a side note. One of my grandpas taught me the monkey the my step grandpa taught me the monkey in the baboon song if you ever look it up it's more funny when you see the lyrics for it. We've gone off the rails. I think we're kind of done guys like does anyone else have anything to add about any of these topics. In general, any broad advice for newbies. I think we this is pretty comprehensive. Yeah, I'd say so for at least as far I think we covered it pretty well. Yeah, like we said can probably break out into like specific things like we talked about mother care and they're probably a couple of other things. Actually, this is probably a good time like if there are things that you want us to cover. Please leave questions in the comments because we read them all. I read them all. It's so hard to come up with new ideas sometimes. Yeah, and some of the stuff like it you know like I've covered it in past episodes but only so much and like sometimes I'll feel like okay well that's covered no need to do it again. But maybe we didn't cover it that well maybe there's stuff that you would like us to talk about so definitely leave that in the comments too because I just assume it's covered fuck it we're done. The other thing is that people don't a lot of people don't go back like if if we've got new viewers when you subscribers. A lot of the time people may not actually go into the archive and just pick it up but there's a lot of good stuff in there a lot. There's some there's some okay stuff some of it sucks. There was one guy in the last comments from the Q&A and he's like we know Dan we know and I was like what the fuck is he talking about and so I listened back and I counted like fucking like like 47 you knows that I said I was like you know you know. Oh yeah you got the curse the curse hit you. Do you want strange like different episodes will have different like will have different tendencies as a group like if one of us starts saying like a lot it actually spreads I think that's me that's me for sure. I see a lot too and local says a lot too and I know I think there was a common comment that was like how many likes does it take to get the center of a podcast. People multiple people said it I'm like are these guys. It's like it's so strange. You just said it twice in that sentence. No we just talk like girls from LA. I mean I'm a literal Valley boy like I have every excuse to talk like this I am from California Valley Southern California Valley. I get to say like fuck them all. And by proxy you guys all get to it too. I actually knew someone who would like end his sentences with like. I can see that yeah I know people do that. I had a friend who would end every sentence with a question like are you. Oh yeah. Are you sure like here you'd say something and it would just every everything came off is totally not confident because everything sounded like a question. You want to go to the store. Yeah. Do this a lot the inflection goes up at the end it's to kind of like not not seem too assertive or too aggressive I think. Yeah I can see that with the personality of this person. I had to stop myself when I was like there was like a period of time I'm such a NorCal bro that I ended so many sentence with like you would be like yeah but fuck. And I had this Seattle girl this Seattle girl was like why do you always say but fuck. That's a good one. It's a good one. Yeah. I don't know it's really obvious like all our tendencies when I tried to do transcripts of shows and that's just that's a hot mess. That's a hot mess. I end up hating myself personally. It's all my shit. So yeah. No it's been good. It's been good and like we humans we have glitches and like repeat ourselves in weird ways. Yeah. And if you don't like it leave a comment and then comment who you hate the most instructions you hate the most. Next week on the linguistics podcast. That's right. That's right. Everyone will just say they hate the Brit. Yeah that fucking Brit dude. That fucking assy guy is didgeridoo. Yeah. It's not my fault I'm Scandinavian. Yeah I know I mean you were born in Antarctica it's not your fault. It's where Scandinavia is. Scandinavia. I'm going to I'm going to try to rescue this. Yeah try to attempt. Inder and urn might actually cover some of these like grow topics and maybe like more practical detail in this series so keep an eye out for that. They've just started to if you haven't seen it it has been unfortunately 18 plus so go and look for that I'll put in the description. It's good. It's a really cool one for for newer growers especially but you know if anyone they've got their own five minutes. It's sweet. Probably the other thing I'll point to is that by this point when you're listening to the show will have had both both parts of the Shabbat 707 seat bank episodes up. So definitely go check those out. Good reveals in part two good reveals in part two I believe so things not well known they weren't covered in other shows and stuff. So yeah big big reveals in some cases other than that you know there's lifted genetics lifted seeds LFTD on Instagram here by seeds in Australia. We have right to Europe our good buddy gold cut over there for all of our European seed needs we have right seeds calm for all your spray seeds. All the Cannaluminati gear all the breeder syndicate gear we have our discord with our patreon which is really awesome. And yeah you guys got anything you want to plug I did the bar plug for booze booze I'll say something to booze because. So booze are good by seeds. Distribute seeds for us for Australia. But recently I spoke to booze and he mentioned that he is open to trying to get stuff to New Zealand as well so awesome awesome. If you're in New Zealand might want to hit him up. Yeah. Okay Dan local earned you guys got anything you want to say get off your chest. I just want to shout out my new reversal spray directly competing with yours. Listed on your site. Listed on my site. Over Dan's reversal spray to riot sex reversal spray. Yeah. No realistically realistically what I'd like to do it because Dan's doing really good work with reversal stuff and he's actually doing really good experiments. It does turn out to be more effective than mine in a like in a more general sense as far as applying to more plants. Then we will definitely carry Farmer Dan's and we'll be doing something with it because it's just the most most important thing to me. Is it my spray it's that people get the most effective spray for the best dollar because that's really what's about me and you know I think Dan's about that too. I'm going to be trying to just like specialize my stuff in the future too. Like that's kind of the goal is like it's like hey this is the G spray. You know like this is smart. This is the you know like whatever but it's like we haven't quite gotten there. I've got like a nice general spray but no no actual commercial intentions to see. I definitely need a spray. You need a spray for like Lady Terp Lady potency type strains like Skittles and Tangy they need their own special spray because they don't get people high. So you need special spray. I can't say lady potency dog. Is that not allowed anymore. For the little girls out there. Yes for the little ladies. That's what I meant. Yes. Of course not the big ladies. I've heard a new term for this which is actually dad weep. Right. Who is it. Yeah that's what I say. Dad weep. Pack taught me a dad Terps for terpenaline. Those are dad Terps. Yeah I fucking love it because anytime I show a bag of like terpenaline dump stuff to people. It's like oh that's some old school. Yeah it makes sense. Dad terp dad smoke. Thank you guys for like helping us again. Earn local Dan. Yeah thanks for letting us hang out. I don't know if you guys all said this already but go to Riot Seeds to get your blueberry stuff. That's where the bank gear is. It's where we're going to get seeds and everything to do that if you're looking for them in the United States. Yeah I guess I don't plug blueberry enough on this show right. No. I don't think you do. Yeah I do love it. I do love the blueberry. Shout out DJ Short even though he probably doesn't like me too much. Shout him out for that. And with that I guess are we done. Local you got anything. No I don't have any shout outs this time. Shout out to my mom. No shout outs. Yeah. None. No one deserves it. Shout out my two cats. It's been that kind of week for local. Yeah. All right. Thanks everyone. Yeah with that ends this week and we'll see you next week. Same time, same place, same channel. Cheers. Want to sit at the table with the syndicate? Check out our Patreon and our link tree or description below. Our merch site is officially live. We have all sorts of shirts, hoodies and goodies to sort you out and shipping is super fast. And most importantly the quality is top notch. 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