 We're glad to know you're still there and this is the run-up. Lagos is the economic and social nucleus of Nigeria and the West African sub-region. It accounts for 32 percent of national GDP. It is also one of the fastest growing cities in the world. By 2015, it is expected to be global states, okay, well, that was that, but it is expected to be the third largest city, according to UN estimates. Over the past decades, the city has had to contend with the challenges that accompany staggering population growth rates. It is said that it's more than, there are more than 20 million people in Lagos state. That means like 10 percent of the entire population of Nigeria resides in a small state surrounded by water like Lagos state. Now we'll be looking at if there's a possibility of transforming Lagos state or whether Lagos state has actually reached its peak already and nothing else can be added, like an egg that has been laid and nothing is added and it becomes a chicken. And discussing this with us this morning, we have Mr. Kunle Udman, Lagos governorship candidate of the Social Democratic Party. Welcome to the program, sir. Good morning. Well, you run a campaign and you're calling it Hope 2023 and it's like Nigerians. All we have right now is hope. Okay, so, but what else, what kind of hope do you intend to bring to Nigeria and especially Lagos state? Well, good morning. The word Hope is an ADP word right from the time of Moshid Kashima Wabiola, MKO, Almighty God grant him eternal rest which Baba Ghanai can give when they came out and successfully contested the election. So the word Hope is a slogan of the Social Democratic Party. Now, what is hope? Where there is life, there is hope. This is the motto of my own primary school, I attended Riti Primary School in Ikoi and the slogan of this school till yesterday is Hope, where there is life, there is hope. So for me, I was brought up with Hope as a slogan that governs me. You understand? First and foremost, I'm aware. Just one of the rival parties, their presidential candidate, had now adopted Hope as his own word. For me, it's a plagiarism. We can forgive him because if there's a government in power and a candidate of the government is in power, he's talking about Hope. Technically speaking, for all intents and purposes, what he means is that there's no Hope. So he's looking forward to Hope. What's my motivation? I'm first and foremost, the Lagosian, right? My father is from here, he's from the Unigunu family of Lagos Island. My mother is also from Lagos State. I was brought up all my life in Lagos, primary school, secondary school, A-Levels, all in Lagos until I went to the University of Benin to read law in the Polynesian class of 1981. So I must take hold of all intents and purposes. And I tell you for free, everything that you have said, you are right to the point whereby the population is not a disadvantage anywhere in the world. And you see this mantra that they are putting everywhere, mega-city, mega-city. The first indices of a mega-city, the first one, is population. So if you don't attain a certain population threshold, you don't talk about mega-city. So if we don't have people coming into the city and you have the figure that you have so copy us, they quoted, there will be no mega-city. First and foremost, population is not a disadvantage. What does population got to do with growth? It has to do with management of population. Lagos is a fast-growing city. We know that as a fact. Prior to this administration, it was fast-growing. But it's not growing anywhere. So it's Baba Jidhi San Walu became the governor of Lagos State because he's a government that, for me, has disappointed the people of Lagos. And I say that for good reasons. Okay, we'll come to those things that you intend to do better than Son Walu or any other administration that has come. But let me just take you up on the hope mantra that you talked about, even though it may not be related with what you are doing. But the person, if I guess correctly, who is using the hope mantra as well, has never hidden the fact that he is fashioning his style of politics and policies after the MKO Abula that you talked about in SDP that contested and won. So is it possible that the idea can be shared, not only used by SDP, but by other people? For me, you are just going in the wrong direction. Really? I have given you a good explanation, which is a reasonable explanation that the Social Democratic Party hope 1992 to remember. Yeah, but SDP never manufactured the word. Now you are not allowing me to speak. No, I am not allowing me to finish. Because for you, you see somebody, there's no somebody there. It's Ashwajjubola Mehtimumbu in his APC campaign that is now using hope. And I'm saying to you that he's representing the government that is in power. The government is in power. He's aspiring to take over from Mohamed Ubarri, the president of Nigeria. So if he says hope, the statement simply implies that he knows that the government that is there has failed. So for him, it is now hope for a better Nigeria. I shut it down there. He cannot plagiarize hope as his word for his campaign. I'm telling you, since we started this campaign, the presidential candidate of SDP, Prince Aday Wally, he has been using hope since he started this campaign. We have been using hope. All the candidates of the SDP have adopted the word hope. Where is he getting his own hope from? We are saying that the country is not doing well. It's being misgoverned. We have people here who have rendered us imperconious when the situation whereby we can't feed no more. When the situation whereby the filling stations are to spend six hours to buy food in a country that has fuel. All the refines are shut down. Nothing is happening. Dollar to Naira is seven or something. So they are failed. This government has failed. It has failed as a further government. It has failed more as a legal state government. Because what they are now saying, the government of legal state says, I'm going to start the Monorail before December. I don't know what is celebrating. It's starting the Monorail. The Monorail started with Babatunde Fashella, eight years. Right? After Babatunde Fashella, the same APC government, four years at Clean Air Body. How many is that? Twelve has been there for three years plus. Fifteen years to build a one line from CMS to Okokomayako is taking a government for 15 years and they are celebrating. There must be something wrong with this caliber of people. First and foremost, there is no way in any part of the developing world where you talk about a Monorail. Monorail means one rail line. For one place today, you have a more tire system. 25 years ago, you go to London. In Paddington Station, there are 20 trains going for, moving all over the place. They are bosses. They say, hop! But it's now celebrating Wai Re. Fifteen years going there by government have failed simply because he wants to contest election. And his things, for him to defeat Mr. Kulakman and so many of us, we have to be clapping for him for taking 15 years to build a real station. Absolute nonsense. Okay, let me allow my colleague Bayo Oluwaki. Oh, it's my friend. It's my brother. We're going to the same cell. Not university. It's a good man. I did tell you that I have a surprise for you. No, it's not a surprise. Okay, Bayo, we have Mr. Oluwaki here. Hey, Bayo, how you doing? He's a good man. Good morning. Good morning, Mr. Kulakman. And it's a pleasure to be interacting with you this morning. Thank you, Bayo. I'm not surprised at the vibrancy that you have brought into the studio. I would like you to tell our viewers that quality that you have, the special quality or several qualities, which makes you the best person for the position of governor of Lagos from May, 2023. First and foremost, I am coherent. I articulate and I have dreams. And anybody who is going to govern even a family, must have a dream. Me, I'm experienced. I have been in government. I was in government in 1995, in ING under interim government of Anishinae Ko. I also proceeded to government. Then I was personal assistant to the minister of transport and aviation and then to power and steel. For me, transportation, I understand it. Transportation, for me, is not road because when we talk of transportation, we keep talking about road. The early phase of transportation is road. It is water and it is air. So we don't have to be talking about road. Do you understand? And I also understand that. I understand NEPA. Me, I understand why NEPA doesn't work. Because I remember during the time of the same fashion line in this Lagos State, there was an IPP program, whereby the central business district in Lagos, the hospitals, the police, collect the icots, were supplied with regular power. You dare not put in a drink in the freezer for two days. It will break because there was constant power. It made that possible. And what the government after him ought to do was nothing but to develop what he has started. They stifled the dream. We are not living in a city, whereby we are classified. In my house, I pay like 100,000 Naira per month. They say it is lucky. So we pay special tariff. And there's rarely like. So for me, I also lived in a Lagos. We are going to school. I could go to a public town. Wash my hands and then drink water. It was clean. There wasn't anything like sachet water. There wasn't anything like bottled water. And if you could remember, when we were the Federal School of Art and Science in Victoria and BIO, we had there was a scholar's bus. There was a bus specifically dedicated for students. And when you are dressed in a certain way, you enter the bus and pay a cost of free. Now we are in a situation whereby we are completely convoluted in the Liberation March of Misgovernance. Now, me, I also experience as a parent parent of about 1,000, 1.2 million Naira for my child to go to school per town. So the cost of his school was unbelievable. Now, how did we get into that place? We went to public schools. I remember I went to the department school, met all these boys at school, missionary public school, right? I went to Federal School of Art and Science. We pay close to nothing. At the University of Beninwai School, we pay close to nothing. Now, we are faced with this situation whereby you need to be a mega box before you can train your child. And what cost it? Actually, you know what I'm saying? University. What is his business in only in the university? As by-product of his deputy governor, vice-presidency, he's only in the university. You see, we have people who are geriatric. They have just passed their time. We need a level of vibrancy to move this country forward. It's not about party. For me, I have a dream. I moved from Lagos, my house in Leicke, I went to Equa. It took me six hours because there is this gridlock. Everywhere the roads are damaged. On my way back, it took me seven hours. For one local government to the other, my brother, 13 hours. How do you live in a nation like that? And we have them say we'll- So you have the quality, is that what you're saying? Of course. That stands you out. That stands you out. But I have contacts with, I have contacts with the Netherlands. I'm a businessman. I'm a lawyer. I'm well-traveled. I'm going to bring ferries. You know Baba Kekere? You know it's a fadji. The one that Jack only had on the watch, I'm going to bring more some skated ferries from the Netherlands to Lagos. We're going to ensure that we have the water transportation as a transport app. One ferry will leave there on CMS and go to Egede. Another one should be going to Equa. Another one should be going to- And they are not these 20-man ferries that they are celebrating. We're talking about ferries. When I traveled from Dublin to London, I was on dual-license. This was more than 20 years ago. Dual-license is a five-decker ferry. At the two floors, you're driving your car in Dublin, you're collecting it in London, when you finish your business, you're driving to the same ferry. We need to think outside the box. For me, I'm the best person in the circumstances to work this day. And I was also a commission on this day, sometime. Yes, Bio, please. Yes, Bio, sorry. Yeah. Will this, thank you, thank you for that, I'm sorry, but will this be purely Lagos state government funded? Because you alluded to the length of time it has taken to develop the train from Badagri Road to CMS. We've seen this length of time. And some people have said that it is because the government decided to do it, that if they had given this to the private sector, it might not have taken that long. So all these things you're mentioning, is it Lagos state government under you that will do that? Or is there a way that the private sector is going to be allowed to invest in these areas? There are two things we need to... How do you want to go about this? Yeah, there are two things we need to clarify. You see, we're a capitalist economy, first and foremost. So you cannot devoid the private sector for any developments that is meaningful because it will be a private sector driven. But first and foremost, you don't even go to the banks to go and ask for money if you cannot show that you can have an equity contribution. Lagos state, by the debt management office figures, as an IGR that equals that of 30 states of Nigeria. IGR, Lagos state, it's been like that. They generate a lot of money. Now, the oxymoron of this is this. Lagos state that has the highest IGR, they're also the most indebted state in Nigeria. Now, so you see the man is the richest and he's also the poorest in terms of his borrowing profile. That gives you an insight into how the... That was also going to be a nice thing. How do you intend to correct that one? Because it being indebted... I'll tell you, me, first of all, I have a 15% of IGR in this state that is going to a private company in Lagos. This company is called Alphabeta. Do you understand? The circumstances that brought this company to life was when Obasun just seized the resources of Lagos state. The money coming from the further, because he said the creation of LCDAs in Lagos was an aberration that is not recognized by the Constitution. So they should revat and they refuse to revat. By that ingenuity, Lagos was able to survive, right? And by that time, this private company was contracted to collect money on behalf of Lagos state. It was ingenious. We needed to clap for them because it was good and idea. But since then, the funds had been released to government and this big company has no business again being around, but they're still there and they're collecting money. And they collect, I think, that 12% to 15% on whatever we generate as IGR. So me, if I'm governor of Lagos in Ishala, executive order one, I will terminate that arrangement. That's money, 15%. But that is concern. It doesn't give concern. For me, again, you also know that in Lagos, there used to be a security trust fund that they created. In this state, again, during the regime of Babatunifashala, do you understand? They created the Lagos state trust fund and all the multinationals in this state, they contributed enough money and that was why we were better secured because through the trust fund, they were able to keep the police, giving them better wares, the boarding vehicles and policemen in Lagos were also supplemented in terms of payment of salaries. Now, I will also deal with that. There's a fourth mainland bridge that has been in the minds, in the minds of governments of Lagos state. For so many years now, we are going to put in the fourth mainland bridge, bam, nothing has happened. I can see recently, hurriedly, they have now called for bidding and they have brought in the bidders who will do this bridge. It is important that this is a bridge that is necessary in Lagos. But the way a man at the bridge is designed is so convoluted, it's complex. That's not what we need. We are looking for functionality and not without dress. We need to look at the design again and we are going to partner with companies that will now collect toll as and where necessary on that bridge to get their money back and we have a revolutionary right. So we are not going to do it alone. We can't do it alone. All aspects of what you want to do is going to be with responsible people. We have hospitals in Lagos here where there are no beds. There are no drugs. You have people lying on the floor when you go to the hospitals. This is not the incidence of mega city. Me, I was the one that drafted the Habitat Law for Lagos State. I drafted the law. I knew what it involves because I was part of the policy board in the technical committee that Baratunde Rajifashila put in place when it was there for us to be able to cater for incidence of collapse buildings, among other things. And Mr. Soholu was also part of this committee. As a modified was the vice president of the committee, vice chairman. This was in 2012. 2021, buildings have been crashing everywhere in Lagos. 2021, stories building came down and you saw it. 21. How does anybody invest in a place where 21 stories crash? Yes. Lagos has now become the state of collapsing buildings. Let's look at these finances. You said that Lagos collects a lot of money and that was due to the ingenuity that was put in motion by contracting a private firm to collect revenue. Now, that means that when the private company had not come, the revenue collection was really low. Now, if you revet this, if you abolish this, if you terminate the contract of the private company, what alternative do you have so that Lagos can stay afloat? Stay like that with the revenue collection. One thing that is obvious to me, you didn't follow my trend. If you did follow my trend, I said that there was a contingency then that made it necessary for them to bring in this private company. So you think without them, Lagos can do as well as that? Oh, not as well, better. In this state, we have an institution, an agency. It's in front of Alousa. They call it LIRS, Lagos Entity Revenue Service. But they were there before the private company? I still, you are not letting me finish. The primary responsibility of the LIRS is to collect tax. So they will do exactly what this company is doing. There's nothing they are doing different now. What they did different was them. Now nothing different, we're going to bring in people. Financial experts, we employ them. We have some consultants work with LIRS. We retain this money in our country, in our state. Let me tell you what it involves. Maybe you think it's a small figure. If we collected 600 billion per annum, for example, about 90 billion is an outlet. So you can see the streets of Lagos. You know we are going into election. You go to see Lagos, it's a polly. The government of Lagos state, you see those billboards it's putting, it costs between 8 to 15 million at that age. Go to the road and check how many billboards that there are in the local. It's billboards that they are putting everywhere. Do you understand? Cost almost the same thing. Remember when they were going to collect forms, 100 million in our forms. So you see they are celebrating themselves. They are not thinking about the people. Now we need to be more scientific in what we're doing. The people. Jeremy Bentham, I don't know if you know him, we're political scientists. It's still the essence of good government. It's the greatest happiness of the greatest number. Are you happy? Me, I'm not happy. Because it is costing me my life to survive in this state. I can't buy diesel for my generator. I can't buy forest. I can't go anywhere. I'm trapped here. That was a national thing. Well, Nationality in Lagos is also part of the problem because the state, the government and the federal is called APC. You know the meaning of APC? It's the same government that has been here for four times. As she read you, first of all, I believe that APC people. So this man should just go home and sit there. Me and my name is Jim of the state. The man is not from here. Okay. Still going back to that. What would you do that will make the LIRS to sit up so well and do their job? Because this is the same kind of thing that is replicated in all other states that are not doing as well as Lagos. Lagos is the only one that contracted this private entity that made the IGR go. So which means there's something about government institutions that don't seem to work. What will you do differently? No, it is because, you see, you belong to those people that believe that the public sector is not functional and you are dead wrong. You're very, very wrong. What you need to do is to motivate the bureaucrats and ensure that they perform a good job. The man who was in LIRS before Fowler, he was moved from there to the FRS. It was a signal to show that Lagos works, right? Now, what you need to do, it's a collection process. Do you understand? It's not generation. You need to understand collection and generating tax. There are different things. The money is there. You have in place a pay-as-to-end system. You have companies that you have to collect tax from. Don't you understand? And you ensure that you're writing the tax net. It doesn't involve the ingenuity of a third party. It only shows the tax man that knows what to do and he will do it and he will do it well. We'll keep our money in our state. Our roads are not good. So we want to go to Awigaya and do the road in Awigaya. You understand? We also want to go to Ewe Elecper and repair the road. We want to go to Kokomayiko and do what is right. We want to make sure that when you're going to Badagini from Lagos, you've got a smooth ride. You don't go to a place and then you cannot move. The Lagos State University, which is the brand university for us as a state, go there. How do you get to the university? There is no road. Which ever way you want to get to the place, you can see it's traffic gridlock everywhere. So we need to think outside the box, my friend. We need to bring in people who have ideas and look at the world of the ideas. What is going on now? I can show you it's a state or not to drive. Yes, Bayo is itching. Yeah, Chief of Man, let's come back to the industry. Lagos houses the bulk of the industries in Nigeria. As a matter of fact, as you know, between if you take away what I will all set up in the first republic, the Western Nigerian marketing board has stayed around in Kejia, all those areas. The only addition to that was the Isono Industrial Area which is in Lagos State, but Agbara which is partly Lagos, partly Lagos State. The question is, we haven't seen new industries being attracted to Lagos. Lagos has been rather difficult to set up business in. What exactly will you do? What kind of incentives? What are your plans to make sure that the industrial capacity in Nigeria, which is very low by the way, and Lagos leading in this area, that you will increase the industrial capacity, especially within the territory of Lagos? First of all, let's not engage in conjecture. We need to deal with the facts. First and foremost, nobody will build anything in Lagos or Nigeria for now because of the exorbitant price of diesel. You see, diesel light is a very important cost in production, as you know. When you talk about cost of a product, you need to produce it because we don't have light and because the cost of diesel has become, I don't know how to describe it, but it just goes up, up, up, up, it never comes down. They will tell you, if you started a factory and you are factoring your cost of production lights, because the light in government has failed in providing light. So now you need to, you cannot afford a production network whereby there will be interruption of your production. So you need a backup. You know my backup is going to be a diesel, each diesel generator. Now, when you wrote your plan, it was 234 Naira for diesel. Now somewhere down the line, five years later, the diesel alone is costing you 700 Naira. You're gonna shut down. Number one, you will shut down. Now, if you are able to survive that, most of what you are bringing in are imported products and you have to source money from the CBN. Now the cost of the dollar is just skyrocketing. Today it's 200, it almost goes to 800. That's another reason why you are going to shut down the factory. Even if you found the money to buy the dollar, the CBN says to you, we don't have dollar to give you. What do you do? You go and buy with watts. You can see what happened to Emirates and other airlines here because they can't get their money out of the country. Some of them, you see, Nigeria is dealing with, a very, very complex situation that has been fostered on us by misrule. And that is the tragedy of the fact that we still have geriatric people coming to return and saying, yes, it is BBB, it is ABC. No, it's not correct. We are not a nation of a two political party system. I know for a fact that there are alternatives. We now need to begin to think out and over our country to people who have more ideas. There was this other party that spent their time. This one has also spent their time. They are a continuation of the same, the same characters moving from one point to the other. They have failed this country. If we are looking at a future, why we are going to have a better country, we need to think outside the box. We may be considering the IPP option. We have to decentralize power. The way in which we are doing power here, look, there's a gas station in Ecuador, the Egmitama station. How then do you explain that people in Nigeria, next door to the thermal station, they don't have light? How do you explain that our hospitals, we don't have light? So we need to begin to think about modular production. We provide, we provide, and we do what we have to do. Well, the Agia Kuta still made that. It's the most moridum industry anywhere on earth. Everybody wake up one day, they talk about Agia Kuta. But nobody has been able to start the steel industry, because you cannot really do much with that place, because the whole technology has changed. So we are working. You can set up a plan, because the constitution now allows states to also set up power stations is on the concurrent list. So aren't you thinking that given the economic potential of Lagos, the fact that Lagos provides 30% of Nigeria's GDP and in order to bring in, you know, and calling the private sector widened in those capacity that Lagos could have his own power generating company, for example. Are you thinking in that direction? No, I'm not only thinking in that direction. First and foremost, if you want to go into a papa port from anywhere, the revenue from that port is very huge in terms of what we get as a country. There is no way to get there. You will find out that you have a traffic situation, trailer to trailer, 500 trailers long. Now, you need to pay X amount of money, but now you have to go find your way one way in order to get your trailer, your truck into the place. It's affecting us. And the beneficiaries of that, there are never imports. For me, I want to bring in equipments. I want to do things. But they are not going to come by road from where I'm bringing them from. They are going to come by the same area, the same papa ports have to bring it into Lagos. So first and foremost, I need to hear that problem. I need to work with the minister of transportation to let them understand that as they benefit from that port, it is the Phoenician now center of Nigeria that needs to be accessed. That port is the only port that I know in the world. I've been widely traveled. I've been engaged in maritime work where there is no train, because there has to be a train that services the ports. That train will be everywhere. So that if you wanted to move cargo from a papa port and you're taking it to Duce in Jigawa, or you're taking it to Zanfara, or you're taking it to Beno, you go by rail in Nigeria. When I was in, I think second to school, 76, I traveled from Lagos to Maiduguri by rail. They didn't carry me in the coach. I sat down there and moved from a place to there. So first and foremost, we need that link. For me, if that is solved, and that will involve myself and the minister of transportation putting in place the necessary instruments before the further executive council. The way our solution will be to solve this problem, because we are suffering. It is cheaper for you to go to our neighboring countries and bring in your things as opposed to bringing it through our own ports when that is done. That will not encourage us because people are brought in a hit mess into this country and it's been stuck in the ports for years. Because to demolish. If you allow me just to, because this is very funny, but I know you have good losses when we're coming with a question, but let me quickly bring this in. You've given a very graphic situation and the challenges of leveraging the papa port. Don't you think the same problem is looming in the leaky axis because the leaky deep seaport has been finished and handed over five weeks ago, if I'm correct now. What exactly would be your plan to make sure that what has happened to a papa and to people who have to use that corridor does not happen in the leaky axis now that the leaky deep seaport is functional? I tell you one thing for free. It's not to leave the seaport. You have in place the Angutile refinery, it is there. They're going to start operations. You also have in place the free trade zone. There are three complex investments in that area. What you have painted is even, I think it's just average. What you're going to have there? The design, illegal state is the only place I know on earth. Whereby are you going to put in place infrastructure? You're going to put in place a facility and the infrastructure will not be in place before you start construction. If you wanted to have a layout of an estate, you are going to have the telephones, the roads, put in place before you start making a lot of money. So what they have done is to do what they know how to do best. Just to do things irrationally, not to think it out. Because, you see, there was this idea of a coastal road. The coastal road was supposed to be from Kouramu, down to Erepe, dovetailing off the road. Nobody has done anything about that coastal road. You go and you go behind Oniru. They have allocated all the places to themselves. They are even saying to us everywhere. What ought to be a coastal road can no longer be there because they have depicted the ocean that critical. Now, what do we do with the refineries? If they are going to be the ones who are going to, after four, they have to be tens of thousands of trailers that will have to be on the road. Then what happens? Why are they going to pass? There's no road in Yaya. We are going to acquire back and forth 13 hours. So by the time you have those trailers on the road, there's also a complexity. So we now need to speak to Dan Gote. Mr. Dan Gote, you have put in place this investment here. Now, we now need to think about the CRS which we need to do our roads. And that's exactly what it did in the Oshodi, Oshodi, Baghdad area. Because the traffic did lack in that access, there was an arrangement with him. I think it's a 90-year arrangement or so, and there will be a tax relief. We will do the same thing for him. He cannot put a refinery there for capitalism and for commerce, and then it's going to inconvenience our citizens. I congratulate Ogun State governments. They have done wonderfully well. Because if you see the road from Ijibwe there to Ijibwe, good road. Now people live in Ijibwe and they go to Ijibwe there, come into town, and come to Lake. It is shorter. Very ridiculous situation we have found ourselves. When a government, they say, we are doing this, we are doing this, but they just now think this that they have done, but they are not looking at the people. And Banktown was right. The people of Lagos Street were not happy. So it has to be the greatest happiness of the greatest number. This government has failed. They got no business to be painting the road. If they have succeeded, they will not have these political frenzies everywhere you go. So what will you do for the election? I will know whatever the deputies name. It's all over the place. If your government has won the election, or you have performed well, you don't need these political frenzies. I see if everybody must be looking at you. Your work will speak for you. We need a change in this state, not even in this state. We also need a change in the federal government there. And please, I don't want to congratulate Goodman, 50 years old, San Liga practitioner. We have a program, the Social Democratic Party, to bring this state out of the love drama it has found itself. And to bring a relief to this country. We must stop medical tourism. We must stop at the time when our president will have to go abroad every time when he has headache. We must also not put in place to replace one man who goes on medical headache, which I'm only one that will be doing the same thing. Because the signs are there. And I thank Ernest for the beavers at the University of Benin alumni award night yesterday. He explained the way the beavers work. Now, there will be no beginning of elections. There will be no vote buying. There will be no vote carrying. So we believe that we will sell to the people of Lagos to the message of hope. We are going to let the people of this country know. Then it is for them to decide. They may want what is happening to continue. But also remember that we have a 60% youth population in the 2003 election. Young people, the man who was 14 before the ball, is not 18, is voting. The man who's team is voting. Think about what happened there in the answers. The statement by the youth is this. We want our country back for ourselves. So we don't want any geriatric person who asks medical issues to govern us ever, ever again. OK. Because our time is up, let's just have a mention of your agenda. Some people have four points, seven points, 12 points. What are your agenda? What is your agenda? What are the greatest concerns when you come into power that you are going to tackle? If you had listened to me very well, trust me. Just one. No, wait. No, that's the way you work. Me, I'm a legal practitioner. I've practiced law for 37 years, right? So I will speak like you. More important than the two minutes. No, the two minutes. Is it not? Transport. Good. Roads. We are going to fix these roads, do you understand? Multi-rail system, not monorail. Multi, you know, I've explained this. The hospitals, we are going to fix the hospitals. We'll bring in, we'll build better hospitals. Girl, more than maternity hospitals. We don't have enough in this city. Do you understand? And we are also going to ensure that our schools are functioning. We are going to go back to the golden days of public education. So that me, Kulautma, going to public school, my father, pay close to nothing. We are not going to encourage what is going on now. We are going to start an aberration. We are going to invest in education. We are going to train teachers. We will not have this university mentality. Do you understand? We will have colleagues of education. We are going to train teachers. It's a very noble profession. You don't need to say it in university. We are going to have artisans. You understand? There are people, they want to build their houses. They go and bring artisans from other countries. I don't want to mention. There are ladies that I know. They want to sell their work. They have a collection. They send it to anybody in the country. That is a shame. So we are going to ensure that Taylor's bricklayer happen time. They are well trained in such a way that when we are going to build a 40-story building, do you understand? From 50, we will be sure that from floor 1 to floor 50, the building will never, ever come down. So if we have a building come down now, 21 stories went down. Three stories went down. Seven stories went down. And there had been continuous building collapse in the life of this Sawellua administration. What can they say? As the people have said, this is an administration of collapsing buildings. He has no business to go back into power. Let him just live and let us have a better life in this city. Thank you very much. OK, so transportation, education, commerce, and a few other things. Health, very important. Health is very important. Yes. We are going to aid medical. Not health. No, not health. We are going to aid medical tourism. As she went to Bola, she knew. He's known. He let Gulalu to go abroad. He was there in France. He was there in London. He was going to before his health. Even when at the VP, Professor Shibajo, he had issues with his sword. He did it here. But he did not do it in general hospital. Neither did he go to Lassos. He went to one of those high-profile hospitals where you enter the place from the reception until you get inside. It's as if you are abroad. No. If my leg is hot, right? If I'm dying, they will take me to Lassos. If I'm dying, if there is nobody to treat me in Lassos, I will die there. I'm OK. I go back to Lassos when nobody carries me anywhere. Because in all my life, I have never left Nigeria to go for medical treatment everywhere. I either go to military hospital, I go to general hospital. My cats are there for me to cross check. So if we have, we must aid medical tourism here. And we must also develop our nation in such a way that people come and we are going to develop sports. You can see the whole world now is looking at the World Cup. We have people. Our own state will also produce footballers. I don't know if you have heard from me there. There's a series of people, these are people who play football for Lagos State and they are recognized as fit and proper persons who can do the same thing. So we're going to encourage them about young people. You're going to be in school, you're going to do sports, so it's a complementary, right? So we will develop. It's not for us to go there. People who come from other countries to be part of what we are doing here. OK. Well, ladies and gentlemen, it was meant to be for a very few minutes and it became so long because we've had so much to talk about here and we couldn't even exhaust it. We've been talking with the gubernatorial candidate for Social Democratic Party, SDP, Mr. Kunle Utman. And he has told us how he can make Lagos better. Some people think Lagos has reached its peak and nothing more can be added or just little can be added. But he has, he thinks otherwise that so much more can be done for Lagos. We'd like to say thank you to you, Mr. Utman, for coming on the show. Well, God be with you. Good luck to you. Thank you very much. And I'm happy to be here. I like your studio. Good people. The Almighty God going to bless you all. So we'll take a short break and when we're taking the news, after the news we'll continue with the run-up. Run-up, sorry. Stay with us.