 I wanted to go to also Tina here not just because I wanted to see more of her dog who's on the screen but you're you're you're you're you're around the country and you're kind of seeing the way that the police behaves and it's in me like I feel like most people who've been paying attention they should have viewed the last couple of years as a full-on mask-off moment by police forces and to give you an example of that I mean Portland's bizarre experiment with not policing Proud Boys rampage ends in gunfire this is from Robert Mackey of the intercept and there's a lot of videos of people outraged that they kind of just let the Proud Boys get away with everything this you know a similar story in Los Angeles which you were a part of Tina that was hoping that you could speak to as well where there were Proud Boys the LA police department essentially stood by which is what the criticism is and that led to this viral moment which a lot of people have seen this is you right here this Capitol writer Tony Moon is attacking reporter Tina Desiree Berg today and ripping her mask off today in downtown LA so can you talk a little bit about this Tina the way that events unfold because of the police either their presence or lack thereof like what have you seen in your experience as a journalist who's on the ground so you know what happened two Saturdays ago and also in Portland actually Sean Beckner Carmichael who is the jump who is the reporter that actually filled the guy with the gun I know him personally I've worked with him you know he was hiding behind a car as this was happening and I saw the videos like Sean are you kidding me and he's like yeah the guy had come forward he had chased them he had produced pulled the gun out ran back so this had been something that was a build up to that too but here's the thing everything we're seeing right now all of the unrest all of the violence we've we didn't get here overnight this has been building up for months now and I could say without equivocation that the police department treats both sides differently and that is part and parcel to the problem if what happened on Saturday or if what had happened in Portland if those had been BLM activists they would have been shot there's I can say that without equivocation so I have hours and hours and hours of footage where I've been at a skirmish line and I've seen the difference in the way the LAPD treats both sides and oftentimes they're only facing BLM activists they don't turn around and look at the Trump people and you know and on Saturday you saw that that was right in front of LAPD headquarters for people saying why did it take the cops so long to show up I'm like they were there they were there before it started they I mean they were standing right there watching it and and I'm pretty angry right now because I and I'm gonna name names and shame names I've decided because I'm kind of done with this whole thing and Sergeant Gordon Helper who is part of that rampart division and captain's to be ill they are both part and parcel to the problems they're both giant Trump supporters they have been openly supporting Trump and saying ridiculous things about Antifa on their social media for months now but the final straw for me was that Tony Moon actually went online and made this empathetic post about Tony Moon Gordon Helper did so I'm like wait a second so you were there on Saturday when I was being assaulted when two people were stabbed also there were two stabbings when another woman was hit on the head with a hydro flask and had blood just gushing out of her head you were there you did nothing to interfere and the old and when you finally did interfere it was because one of the anti-vaxxer guys one of the Trump guys was stabbed then all of a sudden you're gonna get involved right meanwhile somebody else on the left had also been stabbed so I mean this violence should have not have happened in the first place but I think they you know they allow it to happen they have a bias they're bringing their bias to the skirmish line and it just blows my mind so now this is escalating I don't think this is getting very much immediate tension but Tony Moon has now been showing up at the homes of journalists here in Los Angeles and he showed up at there's a gentleman that I know that works for vice who was a senior editor there actually he's not there anymore but they showed up at his house this week wow they showed up yeah showed up at his house him Tony Moon in like a group of five or six people and they put flyers all over the neighborhood calling him a terrorist then they showed up at a photojournalist house who I know her name is Emily and did the same thing and so he's actively trying to find the addresses and I'm sure he's gonna show up at my house at some point why wouldn't I be on that list he already hit me but point being is this is where things have escalated to and you're right the LAPD isn't gonna do a damn thing about it I've also had internal affairs send me a letter right so I read this letter and I think to myself this is just a serious cover my ass operation you guys aren't actually gonna do anything to change this stuff I can't believe I'm saying this all publicly but I'm really riled up can you tell well you know Frank Stoltz Frank Stoltz it was horrible yeah Frank Stoltz has been a report he's an older man he's been a reporter for KPCC which is one of the public radio stations he was so shocked he wrote a whole article saying I've been covering protests for 30 years including the Occupy protests and no buddy has ever physically assaulted me and what I want to ask Tina because I asked you this privately over direct message is what do you make of Matt Taibbi whose takes I agree with most of the time going after Antifa he actually thought that was strange yeah the other day that was just retweeted I was on Joe Rogan's page because we're gonna be talking about him maybe which Joe Rogan repeated in which it was all about Antifa and how they attacked the reporter for news to share in Portland and my experience with Antifa now I've only covered them you know four or five times but every counter protest from Occupy inauguration to the day you know which was and I was there in the skirmish line between Antifa and the cops I went off the permitted March just to cover this and I talked to some of these people afterwards also there was the big rally in Laguna Beach against the immigrants there were 50 people protesting immigrants are taking our jobs and 2,500 people came out to counter protest them I talked to Antifa people there there was something similar in Santa Monica and these people have all seemed to me to be very quiet unassuming not at all violent not at all burly they're kind of look like skinny college kids to me they're just you know wearing black that they were very well spoken I mean some of them could have been DSA members you know how much theory they knew and quite frankly I've always been grateful for Antifa because they're the only ones out there fighting these fascists you know there's a group called refuse fascism which was started by Revcom the revolutionary Communist Party Bob Avakian's group and I used to kind of disdain them thinking they were all cultists because every time there was a protest including Occupy they would show up and handing out their newspaper and they all you know revere this Bob Avakian but I swear to you I mean I live just north of Beverly Hills during the whole Trump administration every time he was there having a fundraiser I could not get the leftist groups to come out the only people that consistently protested Trump and saw the danger of him and his administration were antifa no not really we're refused fascism and when I would reach out to a lot of those guys are also members of Antifa though I believe well no but they aren't they're all refused and because I had them on my show and people would say oh we don't want to work with them I mean to this day they're trying to organize Occupy 10-year anniversary party and I spoke to one of the organizers and he said over and feel free to call anybody will work with anybody but not refuse fascism and I just think that kind of sectarianism or whatever you want to call it on the left is ridiculous when we're facing this fascist threat yeah and and to kind of go back to the can I just can I go ahead because I've been covering Black Lives Matter protests for a long time I got five years of covering Trump protests and that treachery I you know I really respect Matt Taibbi it's not just him who's now taking this angle on Antifa I didn't see these folks commenting when a anti-vaxxer attacked Tina and I know tried to pull her mask tried to pull her mask down I have not seen them comment on the many maybe they just haven't seen it I haven't seen them comment on the I mean there's a whole lot more attacks coming from either Maga Q1 yeah and now anti-vaxxers there's all I don't make it okay if if an antifa person is violent but it's really more narrative what's being pushed then yeah I don't like the framing and so yeah let me let me comment on that I don't like the framing of that I think if you're if you're sticking to a principle which is what I'm gonna do right here I'm gonna say you should not attack press people period and the story that is the end of the discussion the problem I have with Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi at this point is that they're framing it from the right wing and I don't know why they're doing that and I'm also kind of irritated that neither of them have been present at these things and instead of reaching out and having a conversation with folks that were maybe that should have happened right you mean you mean journalism yeah you know and I know that I might well you know I'm kind of I'm kind of irritated by this especially from Glenn Greenwald he knows better and he was you know making all of these posts about what happened at We Spa last month and he was really really hyper focused on this one and I'm gonna call it inconsequential thing that happened there was this anti- trans Karen so to speak that showed up and was spooing a lot of anti- trans rhetoric and saying very hateful things and so some folks in black block chased her away from We Spa because they you know they didn't want her coming up to the trans folks that were there protesting so they were sort of acting like security I guess you could say meanwhile okay so you're gonna get hyper focused on that right meanwhile somebody was stabbed I filmed it he was a trans activist was stabbed LAPD was there too nobody talks about it another press person Rocky Romano was hit on the back of the head with a lead pipe intentionally a guy came up behind him hit him back on the head with this like wooden lead pipe thing ran away got into a vehicle that was being driven by a gubernatorial candidate by the way that's another story geez you do not oh this woman's running for governor right now and then they were circling around the streets while he was in the car and he's talking about how great it felt to crack this press guy on the back of the head with the lead pipe so again no mention of any of these things which as far as I'm concerned are far more important to the story than anything else then Washington Post picks up a story on this and they don't mention either of these things either no mention of the stabbing no mention of the press member attacked with the lead pipe oh and let me also say Tony Moon was there the guy that attacked me Tony Moon was there was there and he hit a woman and a trans visual trans person two people on the head with that hydro flask I have video of both of it uh there was another guy that had uh like a giant rosary beads because I don't know how to describe these things that he had wrapped around his hands and he was using him as a weapon so he was hitting people and screaming you're an abomination you're going to hell you're an abomination so these are all very hateful individuals doing very hateful violent things but yes yes let's talk about the Karen that got chased out by BlackBlock because that's what's important so again that's all I heard about okay so you see my point my point is yeah this was an inconsequential thing but because guys like Glenn who didn't bother to find out the entire story about what had happened that day decided to put that on blast that's what people think was the problem and I'm like yeah not even close not even close and then the cops showed up to the stabbing victim's bedside in the hospital and instead of treating him like a victim tried to accuse him of inciting a riot because that's what the cops do if the victim isn't of the right all of a sudden it still has to be their fault it's insane that this is what's happening