 Hi my name is Jamie and I am a British adventure runner who has recently returned from a 17,000km run from Canada to Argentina. Jamie how are you brother? Very much for having me on your YouTube. Oh mate I'll tell you what, once I turn my light down because my face is like the sun. And I'm not a messiah everyone I promise. And now I'm the one with the hair for that one. Jamie listen the thanks is all mine. My life keeps throwing up little gems at me that I may be both delighted for and surprised by and one of them is you and your amazing life story. Our friends at home Jamie is just like your ultimate adventure warrior in that beautiful sense that most of us want to do and a lot of people will probably never make time for. I'm talking all the adventures you want the cycling the running the global exploration. And the reason I say it was sort of unexpected is you get to hear of your sort of, is it Sean Conway? Yeah Sean Conway is the world. I know Sean he's a great guy. Yeah I think we me and Sean have had a bit of sort of banter together, but you know you get to hear of these sort of what almost seem like one off feats of amazing endurance. And then there's guys like you that bloody hell. You haven't stopped hitting it Jamie have you and I'm just surprised that our paths haven't crossed until now. One of the big differences between some of the adventuring I do and so many adventures that other people do is I don't pursue records or first or anything like that so when it comes to like, the wow factor of breaking a record or something it's not something that interests me so you know I just I'm just a guy who does what I do because I love it and try to make a living out of it wherever I can so it's it's kind of quite a personal thing for me hence hopefully that's why I'm just a little bit less in the limelight. Yes, and, and I don't mean to sound at all disrespectful for there. I'm all for just get out live your life, do the things you wanted to do as a kid, add to your bucket list or whatever people want to call call that and do it because it's such a beautiful planet. Yeah. And when you do these things, you feel, can I say, like God without except upset and anybody, you know, I think is I just think it makes you feel alive, because I don't know about you but you know my life very clearly is was lived has been in two parts. It was pre adventure and then adventure and I just, I existed before, and now I feel alive. And it's by doing these adventures that I feel alive I feel all the senses of the being in the different environments and everything and go to places and experience things and meet people and all that kind of stuff which I never did in my old life I just jumped on a tube every day and sat in office. Do you find Jamie, like, like me, you can transfer that lovely feeling in your mind in your body into, let's say your ordinary life when you're not adventuring and and really appreciate this existence. Actually, it's a big question and it's, it's a hard one to answer because, you know, a lot of people ask me like how do you day in day out do these adventures and you like pushing yourself the limit and it must be so difficult you must really enjoy not when you get back and you're back at home and it's the opposite. I, I struggle when I'm at home. And as much as I love what I've done and I can extract and remember and relive those experiences. I never feel like I'm living life to the full when I'm not on that adventure so I kind of this whole COVID lockdown thing it's just been a just continually feeling not down but just like frustrated that I'm not able to live my life to the maximum that I like to. Yes, I've got you. Do you know, my mind tends to go to that because obviously you know we like I was going to do the marathon the sands this year. So my mind is running, you know, whatever is 700 miles across a desert with all these wonderful people cooking up my food in a, you know, on a camping stove and just being in my absolute element right. Yeah, what what I'm kind of learning to do is is is get keep that feeling but when life is a bit shit. Yeah, yeah, you know, which is it which is a trick to be able to do that. Yeah, I guys probably getting bit bit bit too deep already but it's just that, you know, this universe it's so beautiful which it is and the people that wanting to do the things that you've done. But they're working nine to five they've done it since they left school. They got the next promotion is, you know, it's, it's going to be next year, and then we'll get the, you know, an extra bedroom on the house and we'll get the car and and it's gosh. This is not a criticism for anyone listening not not whatsoever because I've done that life, you know and Jamie it's I know you have to. It's just to actually experience being free and live in your dream and pushing your body beyond not just what you ever could have imagined, but what everyone will tell you know you can't do that. You'll die you you if you try and run 100 miles you you'll die and and to be out there doing that. It's it. Oh, wouldn't it be great if everybody knew that one of these things I think. I'm trying to put this into a nice little sound bite it's difficult but there is. So, one of the things that being kept in a single place and not being able to travel and not being able to push myself has made me so I've always people again what are you running away from and I'm like I'm not running away from anything I'm running towards stuff I'm experiencing, but when you actually stop and you're stuck in one place you realize you do have character traits that. And maybe you do go and do these adventures so you don't have to face up to living normal life. Because normal life is quite difficult, and for some people and I, you know, the routine for structures that the infrastructure in place to look to we have to live within I find that very difficult and that's where I go out to these adventures and I'm, as you said, free to go and do everything. And one of those things I find people saying is like, all these people are sitting in their houses and like, but what life I used to lead. You know, part of me is actually still jealous of some of those people because the people who can have a job and are passionate about their job and can have a family and kids and that kind of community family community. I don't have that. So, while I have all the freedom in the world to go and do whatever I want whenever I want. It is a sacrifice of not having the other life. So there is, I think the perfect thing is the balance is the people who can work in a job that they love in a career they love, but can still make time to go and do adventures. I think we're really nailing it. Hey, you just, that's me. No, I'm not being egocentric. It's just that, you know, fatherhoods are relatively new thing for me and thank you. I mean, my little boy's five years old now he's. I feel like mother nature just try to create the perfect partner and the perfect little boy and then just gave them to me. And I'm so, I don't know what I am really, but what I will say it's a lovely kind of like cherry on the cake, you know, it's really been. If I say tomorrow, right, I'm going to try and parachute off Mount Everest, and then land on a plane that's going to take me to the South Pole. My girlfriend will be like, yeah, do it. And that's the great, great position I'm in Jamie you know and fatherhood again was it was something that I, I never shied away from it just it never happened I never met the right person. I never put like all my cards on right when I'm a dad that life will be great I'm not that kind of person you know, I just thought if it comes it comes if it doesn't live still brilliant right. It's not good I don't want to turn this round to me interviewing you or having asking the question but so when you had a child a little boy, does that change the risks you're willing to take when you're doing adventures. Oh what a fantastic question and feel free to ask me me anything. When I've been in places I've been like, what I'm about to embark on is incredibly selfish event. Like, if I die. It's not going to affect me in any way whatsoever but it is going to affect my mother and my sister and brothers and friends. The other ones are going to have to deal with my, my decision, but myself a danger. But I guess that that is heightened when you have some people who are dependent on you. What you say is just so absolutely true. I mean, for example, the reason I really got a grip on my drinking which you know I make no bones of the fact I drank pretty much every day for 30 years right. It was just what I did I was young single. Obviously I wasn't free as I was chained to alcohol and and all the other party stuff. But the one thing that sober me up was waking up on a on a bench in Paddington station at four o'clock in the morning, where I supposed to be going you know go into my accommodation and I drunkenly fallen asleep in public. And anything could have happened to me Jamie you know I could have been Rob stab. You know, what irregardless, it wasn't good behavior for someone who just become a father right. Yeah. And it's times like that that I'm able to kind of pull it out the bag of it and go, oh, come on Chris, you know, you got a little boy and you think the world of him, he thinks the world of you. And I'm able to up my game a bit right. When it comes to the adventure side. It's, it's a slight unknown Jamie because I haven't done anything since I've had my son that I would call life threatening, whereas before I have I mean I've been, I've been robbed in the Amazon jungle. And I've, you know, my best friend dark drowned when we was on holiday and we were, let's just say partying and. And that's, you know, that's a serious thing to have your best mate dead on the beach in front of you. Yeah. As far as my adventures have been it's been like running the length of the UK. Okay, so as you've got a phone and it's got a credit card tucked in it then you're there isn't, you know, and your compass says South is not a lot to go wrong right unless you've got some underlying heart condition or something. Quadruple Ironman. Well, you just got to be able to make sure you can swim that's that's the issue there right. Yeah. And these modern wetsuits are so buoyant. To be honest, that's not, that's not going to be your, your, your problem. Where it comes into my mind is it's always been a dream of mine to climb Everest. I podcasted the other day with Nim's die, the Gherka turned SBS. Legends can we say that's climbed 14 of the world's highest peaks in less than six months and he's offered to train me. Oh, wow. And at this point, yes, it is still an option on my bucket list right. The question in my mind is, what if something went wrong. And then my little boys got to go for the rest of his life. So my daddy died when I was six, you know, or seven. And I never, you know, I've got all these photos and video and I kind of just remember him but not. It's knowing because I've worked a lot in a social kind of psychological field that that is going to affect him for the rest of his life. Yeah, you know, rugs, alcohol addiction, all the stuff that I've battled my whole life is suddenly it's going to be an issue. Possibly. Yeah. For him. You look at Mount Everest and you think for every hundred people that reach the summit X amount die. I don't exactly know what is because I reckon the statistics of how many people die is always like heightened a bit. I don't think it can be as dangerous as people say but I'm not stupid, you know, it's, it can be a life and death situation. It can come on like that as, you know, the choir here. So that would be a case of really sit down and weigh up the odds, you know, you got to live your life. Yeah, you've got to keep being you and smashing your dreams but is that unacceptable. You know, I saw Anthony Dutton climbed Everest recently, you know, in the last year or so and he's got, I think, three children if not more than that, Jamie. Yeah. So, gosh, I don't know if that answers your question and sorry. That's very much so. But I think that the answer to the question probably is, it's a very difficult one because you're, you're wrestling with two different loves your loves for what you do and your love for human being. So it's, yeah, something I haven't had the ability to properly experience. Yeah, I say three things I still would like to do is some sort of, you know, I've been fortunate to been on an Antarctic expedition to the polar circle and it was amazing. And having been in the military so we've done all the skiing stuff up in the Arctic. I'd like to ski to the South Pole if not, you know, even more. I'd love to row across, let's say the Atlantic or a body of water. And I'd like to climb Everest and, of course, they're all three, they're three things that come with risk. Yes. I'd love to do a polar expedition and love to row across an ocean. Everest, I have to say to be honest, I'm not that fast about. I don't know how many people do it just just to say they've got to the top. And I don't think that's the reason why you should climb a mountain personally. So now I climbed Akon Kagawa and Chimborazu. And a great experiences but you know I loved Akon Kagawa love to do more mountains like that. Seven thousand litres, I think. Yes, and we're talking South America, aren't we? Yeah, Argentina. Argentina, Akon Kagawa, yeah, of course. Is that the highest mountain in South America? It's the highest mountain outside the Himalayas. Oh wow. Yeah, I remember when I was backpacking in South America. That was quite a big thing, it came up a lot. There were a lot of adventure companies that you could go to and they provide kit and stuff. Not taken away, the fact that it sounds bloody difficult. Yeah, well I didn't do it that way. So yeah, normally it's about three and a half, four thousand pounds to be taken up the mountain. My friend and I, we did it ourselves. A more fun way of doing it, a more rewarding way of doing it. Did that cost you a lot of money to organise it yourselves? Well you have to pay nine hundred dollars to get your permit to get in there. Five hundred dollars to get a mule to take your stuff up and down from base camp. And then on top of that it's lights, kit and food. So once you've got over the kind of, it's going to cost me, it's going to cost me two thousand dollars. So fifteen, sixteen hundred quid plus kit. Yeah. It's a lot cheaper than sixty thousand pounds to climb Everest. Yeah, my everything's a bit funny because obviously I'm that generation that we grew up with Everest exploration. Yeah. Yeah, from Edmund Hillary through Chris Bonnington. For all, I mean I was showing Nims the books I've got like ten books I can see from here that are all about. I'd still be the first to hold my hand up and say, I'm not necessarily interested in mountain climbing per se simply because I'm rushed off my feet with my life. You know, I haven't got any more time to have another hobby or whatever. But just the, you know, I think it's possible to have a bucket list item. You're still doing it for the experience, right? Oh yeah, very much. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. But other than that, I get it, you know, if you're some rich yank or whatever and you're a top dentist or lawyer or something and forty thousand pounds expedition fees, nothing to you. And you just want to say you've been up Everest and you don't like look that way or look that way while you're doing it. I mean some of these guys, when they sit their body, they're all freaked out. It's almost like you haven't really thought this through, have you? What did you think climbing this mountain was going to be? Yeah. So there's probably like a million things I'd love to ask you, Jamie, you know, and I'm obviously conscious of our time. How are you from a fitness? I mean, you've run 17,000 kilometers, which is what about 10,000 miles from Vancouver to was it Argentina? Yeah, to Buenos Aires. Yeah, Buenos Aires. So basically from the North American continent through Central America into South America. Yeah. That is beholden, if that's the right word, with so many challenges and planning and what ifs and how to get from A to D by going through Z. But I know that because I backpack in every single country in the Americas. So just backpacking throws a few challenges. And actually from a logistical point of view, I'd say running is easier than backpacking. Because everything you have is in your stroller in front of you, you can only go where that stroller goes. You can't take public transport, you can't do anything else. So, and you just have to get out. So you're basically just every day you wake up in the morning, you have to run a certain demand, you have to eat a certain demand, and you have to find somewhere safe to camp or sleep at the end of the night, the day. And once you've done that a few times, it is just you have to get into the mentality that you just, it's a repetition because when I was in the USA, you'd be going up the hill and it'd be 400 meters high or 900 meters high. And you're like, this is the biggest thing in the world. You just have to, you've got to train yourself not to be phased by anything, because that if you can't, if you're complaining about that hill, when you're running across the Andes in Chile at 4,830 meters, which is the same height as Mont Blanc, and you're running 60k a day up at 4,800 meters. You know, you can't, you have to, you're not, you can't allow things like that to phase you. And actually what you find is you spend your whole time thinking about, I've got to run over the Andes. And you worry yourself so much and you prep and prep and prep as you're going. By the time you get there, you're actually really looking forward to the new challenge, because you've got so bored, like running across the Atacama Desert. It's kind of easy, having done 12,000 kilometers. In the Atacama, did you get the National Park Guards come and challenge you a lot? No, because I was going down the road, so I was all right. Ah, okay. Yeah. I camped there a few nights in the Atacama and almost like on cue, first night of camping, the lights come on, the car, you know, some Jeep approaches, what are you doing? I think you were allowed to camp for one night or something, it wasn't, it wasn't like a problem. I think that's like National Parks the world over, you can camp one night. But there's always someone to ruin, ruin your paradise. No, I actually, I was, I was very lucky that all the people that everyone said would ruin my journey, like the Mexican police and the armies and the, they were the nicest people. It was like, I was bought meals by the police. I was given escorts by the police. They would tell me to run on the motorway because it was safer than these roads and, you know, like all the authority figures that everyone is so scared of, were the people who did their job. They looked out for me and made sure that I was in the safest environment I could be in to continue what I was doing. So when you're facing these hills or mountains, I should say, I found a really weird thing when I ran the length of the UK. And I'm not like a fit guy. I'm like, if you talk to me about calories and splits and sprints and stuff, I don't do any of that. I didn't do any training to run the length of UK. I'd, I'd, I'd been disabled with a back condition, right? So I just put my Bergen on flew to John O'Groats and then just started running, right? But what I noticed is, especially in Wales, where some of the hills were like 18 miles straight up, or it might have been 18 kilometers, I could just run them. I'd just head down little steps. Whereas when I was an 18 year old Marine, if you'd put me on the same hill, I don't mean hanging out my backside. Yeah, it's probably something that comes a little bit with age as well, because when you're younger, you want to be fast, you want to be fast, you want to be quick as you need to be the strongest. You care more about what people around you will be thinking about what you're doing. And I think like I, when I was doing my run, I was 34. And I think through all the different things I've done, I realized no one cares about what you're doing, apart from you and a couple of others. Like, you kind of sit there going, I've got to keep going at this speed, because people will think less of me. And then you realize that everyone else is just dealing with their own lives, and you're, they'll check in on you every once in a while. You realize that no one cares, you're like, oh, so I'm free just to do this at my speed, how I want. And then suddenly that gives you this new strength to actually push yourself harder just concentrating on what you're doing. So I don't know, because when I was running the Americas, I started off running 30 kilometers a day, 40 kilometers a day, having a rest day every five days or something. And then the last 28 days, I averaged like 58 kilometers a day, partly because I told my girlfriend I would be in Buenos Aires for New Year's Eve. And I was kind of like, I do not want to piss her off. So I pushed myself pretty hard, but my body didn't didn't react as badly as it did at the beginning. So I think we become, we grow, I think as we get older. Yes. And I guess why endurance, lots of endurance people are older. Yeah. It's interesting you say that because I set myself this goal that I wanted to average an ultramarathon a day. And as you know, an ultramarathon is anything over 26.2 miles. So I wasn't, I wasn't going to get like hung up on how far over that I ran. I just wanted to get that claim that moniker that it was an ultramarathon, you know, might be 22.3 one day, but or as an average overall. But like you say, the fact that people weren't taking that seriously, they were just amazed I was running a length of the country. Yeah. And to me, which is amazing. Yeah. And I said that I said anybody doing this deserves, you know, full credit. You know, live your dreams if you want to walk it great if you want to do it, you know, my friend Stuart Stuart Kettle did it in a bathtub right cycle, put some wheels on a bathtub and cycled it right. But my goal was this ultramarathon a day and when everyone kept like attacking that and going, I'll just walk. I'll just go and get a hotel. Go to hot. Go to the hot. I was getting really stopped trying to ruin my dream. Yeah. Yeah. This is my goal. I'm putting effort in here. You know, it's a bit silly, but people would like message me or post on social media. I'm going to kick you on. I'm like, I'm 26 days into running the length of the car. How did you, you've been with me from the start. How did you think I was on a bike? Yeah. Other people. Misconceptions like when I've had people go to like you go to an event or something and go and we have Jamie Ramsey who walked the length of the Americas and you're like, I'm not a regular walking. But I've learned. Jamie, how is it with the stroller so for our friends at home, this is like, can we say baby buggy is that the sort of absolutely unmodified baby buggy. Yeah. So first up, I would say. Baby buggy helps quite a lot. You can slightly lean on it. So it does help a little bit that way. It also, it keeps rolling so it kind of pulls you along a bit. Like, not that that makes it easier, but it keeps your momentum up. It's less. The problem is it's got no brakes. So every time you're going downhill, you are using your whole body and legs to, to maintain. And when you're like up in the Andes, it's 50 kilos. So you've got 50 kilos on wheels running away from you, and you're trying to hold that back. So it is. It is difficult, but God, if I went back and did it now, the amount of weight I had in that stroller was purely from naivety. Like I'd never done an adventure like this before. So I just chopped in everything. And if I did it now, it'd be this tiny little stroller that would be a lot more manageable. But I love my stroller still upstairs. You know, just just in case a little little one comes along one day and I need to take them to school or something. It's so funny that you say that because this is important to guys like me and you to the public public. I mean, there's no disrespect. They're like, who cares about weight or they just see you doing the event. I rocked up at John and Groves with a 16 kilogram backpack, right? Yeah. As heavy as what we'd carry in the Marines. It didn't bother me. It was fine. I just tried long fine with it, right? But I soon realized it's going to do my body in. If I keep carrying this weight, something is going to give. So I gradually got rid of the weight. I went to a post office and I'd send a kilo of stuff home like my book that I didn't need. I've got six pairs of socks, only really need two. So four pairs would just go in the way spin or something, right? Did you do the same as me? Like every, like nearly every venture I do every night. I'm like unpack my bag and like, do I really need this? Like just go through and I just repack my bag every day. There was nothing I regretted ditching. I missed my book. You know, I like to read a paperback. I've got obviously my phone. You can read stuff on Kindle on your phone. There was a couple that I thought, oh, I could just lie in my tent now. Reading a book. But there was, you know, there was, I had audio books and stuff. I think my gloves, when I was running through the Scottish Highlands, it was almost zero degrees at night. And it was torrential rain, a lot of it. I thought maybe I could do my gloves. But other than that, no, no, you're completely right. I did think when I've seen people run across say America, and they've got the stroller, your mind as an adventure just thinks, I wonder what that would be like. Yeah, I've had the luck to do both. Because when I ran the three peaks in the UK and the Scottish Isles, I did that with the backpack on. And, you know, both are punishing in their own ways. Both come with their own limitations. But the backpack really does allow you to do trail running. When you've got a baby stroller, you are stuck to concrete pretty much. You're on tarmac the whole time, which obviously puts a little bit of strain on your body. But, and it restricts you, but having that backpack gives you the freedom just to go crazy. So on your big American trip then, what, or America's trip, I should say, what kind of equipment are you taking and why are you taking it? I find actually a lot of people talk about all these different types of adventures and what kind of kit. I think you can have a very standardised kit, which will do you for hiking, running, cycle touring. You know, you want a lightweight small tent. And as I've done more, you realise what you need. But you need a lightweight small tent that stands without needing tent pegs so you can sleep anywhere. Because if you're dependent on having your tent pegged, then you're limiting where you can sleep. I always, I love the MSR Hubba Hubba NX, you know, and I don't mind taking extra weight because I'm slightly bigger. So I take a two person tent. So I've got space to move around at night, especially if it's raining. I want to have a good cooker. And I only ever have the smallest cooker I can, because all I do is boil water. I never cook proper food in the thing. I'll buy whatever I need when I can. And then I'll do porridge, coffee, and then heat up a dehydrated meal or noodles or something like that. And there's not really that much, a good sleeping bag and a good sleeping mat. And I don't believe you actually spend more time in your tent sleeping than you do running or whatever. So you should probably make sure that that part of your day is more comfortable. Because if you've got that bit right, you will perform better the next day. So I don't mind taking the extra weight. And then as many snickers bars as I can take. I got the Thermalight Ultralight. I think it's called Thermarest Ultralight. Yeah, the Neo Ultralight. My God, it weighs something silly. I don't even think it weighs 175 grams, but it's less than that, right? Yes, they make some amazing stuff. I've got the Neo Ultralight, and obviously I now want the Ultralight, but when you've paid 150 for the Neo Ultralight, you can't justify. Yeah, that's the thing. And of course, it's punchers, isn't it? Yeah, but if you use a McNet Tenacious Tape. A-pans, console that door. It just comes in a roll, cut a hole, cut it in a circle, stick it on. I've got five on my one at the moment. Wow, what's it called? I'm going to write that down. McNet Tenacious Tape, that's the T-Tape, one or the other. I think it's Tenacious. And it's a lot better than the repair kit that comes with it. Yeah, oh, good tip. It can be used for your tent, your jackets. I've got that stuff all over all my stuff. How did you deal then? Because in the Americas, so we're talking Central America down, food can be really cheap. I remember being in Bolivia, and ordinarily I'd cook with my camping stove just to make my travels as cheap as possible. And I buy food from the market. I lived for less than $5 a day for 18 months of traveling. Six months of that was in Asia. And I did skydiving and scuba diving and all this sort of stuff. But I did it because I didn't just do the typical tourist thing, which is go into a restaurant and pay 20 quid for a meal or whatever, or in Bolivia 10 quid. Sorry, or in South America 10 quid. But in Bolivia, you could get a three course meal for like 70p. It's ridiculous. I'm almost something saying 17p in my head. This was like 15 years ago now. But of course, with eating the local cuisine, you risk getting a stomach bug, right? I would say that if you occasionally eat the local cuisine, then you risk getting a stomach bug. But if you just jump in and do it every day, your actually your body gets pretty used to it. And I think it builds up a bit of a tolerance to some of the things that your body might react to normally. I think water is more of a risk than food. In these places. So most of the food, they cook the absolute hell out of it. And it's the meat is as tough as leather. And the vegetables have got no nutrients left in them. But it's the water, I think, is where I had more problems from getting Giardia in Panama and Columbia. And that's hard to, when you're running like some days, I think I was going to the loop five, 10 times a day and you just can't eat. I ran a marathon across the desert and I couldn't eat or drink anything for the whole day. So you're in the middle of a desert sweating. You can't eat your body and you're trying to push. And that, you know, it's coming from bad water. How did you get rid of the Giardia? Because I caught that in just looking at my math puppy. I think it was Ecuador. Oh, my God, within about two hours of drinking this water. And it wasn't the low. And then normally the water supplies are fine. It's when it's a holding tank on the roof of a hostel or something. You don't realize it's coming from the roof and you're in your room and you swivel the tap. And it was only when I looked at this water in the light. Oh, my God, there's floaters in there. Within two hours your stomach is gurgling. Ironically, that lasted with me about two years, that bad stomach. Yeah, it really sticks with you. I think I killed the parasite with antibiotics but along those antibiotics were so strong that they killed everything else in my stomach. So then I had a bad stomach for two years and I still thought it was the Giardia, right? Yeah. So, yes, I can empathize with this. Yeah, and it's weird because when you go to, when you're in the UK or France and you're saying, right, okay, can I, I think I've got Giardia and you read them, you tell them your sentence, they go, yeah, you've got Giardia. I'm trying to get the medicines. They go to Columbia and you walk into a pharmacy and you're like, I think I've got Giardia and the lady or the guy just puts the hand right next to the pill and just hands you medicine. You're like, okay, so this is, you get this one a lot and it costs nothing and you take the pills but God, I had some horrible nights in my tent with Giardia. It's, Jamie, it is to what people would believe the human body is a lot more resilient, isn't it? As you've just stated than what we would think. Oh, yeah, the body will go further. Your body will go further longer than your mind will. So it'll be your mind that tells you to stop before your body tells you to stop. I find in most cases. And then, you know, you just have to train yourself to be able to tell your mind that you can actually carry on and then you carry on. And I think there's all the times I had the kind of days where I didn't feel like I could carry on and my body was spent and I was, I'd sit down on the side of the road. I always realized there was a way, there's always some sort of positivity that will happen during that day which will change your frame of mind. Once your frame of mind has been changed by someone stopping and giving you a sandwich just even someone sending you a message that will change your mind set and then as soon as that's changed your mental kind of ability to push on goes and your physical and then suddenly you can end up struggling at seven kilometers and then you smash out 60 by the end of the day feeling great. So it's just learning how to play tricks on your mind or your body which is what allows you to keep going. And that's something I'm really worried about the moment because you know after 2019, in 2019 I climbed Aconcagua, hiked across Utah, ran across Iceland and cycled across Australia. And now 2020 I had a massive adventure planned which I can't talk about because hopefully it's going to happen next year. But I was already, my body, my body was used to being tired and being tricked to go further and push, push, push. I've now had a year of sitting on my ass and I've got to, I'm really worried like, oh my God, I think I've got soft. I think my body is going to have, I'm going to have to reteach my body which is going to be, it'll be interesting because when I was 34 it was easy to teach your body to do this stuff. I'm going to be 41 next time I do it. It's going to be interesting to see how I react. It's almost like you're reading the thoughts in my mind, because in two weeks, three weeks time I'm going to run 200 miles non-stop. Wow. Yeah. Well, I say non-stop, you know. Exactly. Kylian Jornay just did the 24 hour. Have you seen that? No. What did he do? He ran, there was a competition or something. I never saw the result, but they ran for 24 hours. You could run the furthest in 24 hours. And I bet they probably what did 150 miles. I don't know what that is in kilometers. Well, I do, but... I don't know. I honestly don't know what they reach, but yeah. 200 miles, that'll be... That'll be hard. Well... What are you doing on roads or trails or a machine? No, here's my rough plan. And for anyone listening, you're not allowed to hold me to this. It's a plan at the minute. But I like to try and do something for charity. If I can angle it for a veteran's charity, then obviously that... I know a lot of veterans is what I'm trying to say. So I'm on a good start. So my plan, and it's inspired by a very lovely friend of mine called James English, who's got massively popular podcast in the UK. And James did a documentary called Homeless for Christmas, where he spent seven days over Christmas living with the homeless population up in, I think it was Glasgow, a very heart-wrenching documentary. And it got me thinking and I thought, what about if I did an event called Running Homeless for Christmas? So running home for Christmas, but running homeless for Christmas, where I give up my Christmas to run... Well, to run home, let's say, right? And obviously the theme is that I'm homeless because I'm running home. And I don't know how it came up with the idea, Jamie, but I thought, let's ask my local running track if they'll let me run around there. It's something to do with the fact that 200 miles, if you're doing it on normal terrain, it's probably not going to happen. That is going to be really, really hard. But a mundane repeat around a track where it's dead flat, it's a good surface. You can have your refreshment and your nutrition literally as and when with someone running up, giving it to you. You've got your car over there, so if you get a shiver on, you can just hop in the car and put the heater on or grab your jacket or pull the ice bath out the back and have a quick... I just thought that would probably make it easier to run 200 miles in two days if you do it in that sort of environment. But then, of course, it makes it a real mental challenge to keep running. That would be really difficult. It's one thing to run when you've got beautiful surroundings and a different person popping up all the time or whatever. So, yeah, that's... Sorry. I've always thought that the closer to home your adventure, the harder it is to keep going. So running the Americas, like if you're in the middle of the Atacama Desert and you're thinking, oh, I don't fancy this anymore. You can't just go home. You have to carry on. There's no choice. You have to carry on. But if you're running around the UK or the length of the UK or whatever, it's a lot easier to say, oh, I can't bother with this. I'm just going to go home. And you have to overcome that and keep going. So I always think all the people who are doing stuff in the UK or in the UK doing this longest and stuff. It's actually a really, really bizarrely, quite complex to kind of keep going because home is just... It's so accessible. It's just there. So doing it around a track, oh, your local track, that would be hard. Well, I wanted it to be hard. I'm a bit mental really because I don't get that thing about wanting to give up. I'm like the opposite. I don't want to fail. Which puts me in a bloody rubbish position because I will push myself way beyond what... I don't want to say what I probably should because I'm a great believer you can push your human body as much as possible. And so long as you eat the right diet and think the right things, you just recover, I don't think you can damage your body by running it hard. Now, I think your body will stop you if it needs to stop you. Yeah. Your body will have... You run and you'll notice you'll run and it gets hard and you can push through that and keep running. But if you'll have something mechanical or internal going wrong, your body will shut down and you will not be able to carry on. It's not a choice that you'll be able to make. Your body will stop you. Yeah. And... We're not going to get to that. We're not going to get that far. Your body has systems in place to stop you. What about running shoes then? Because when I ran from John O'Groats to Land's Inn, I got through five pairs of shoes. I literally wore... I wore through them. What do you do about that when you're in the middle of the jungle? Well, I got through 17 pairs of shoes on running the Americas. Basically, one every thousand kilometers. I started off with just the old pair of trainers I'd be running at home with and then I kind of bought them as I went. And then, you know, as these things pick up a bit of traction, Nike sent me a whole bunch of trainers to Mexico. And then when I got to South America, Adidas sent me nine pairs of trainers that my mum would then post to Quito and then to Lima and I'd pick up these care packages. But my mother had got some local delicacies from home and then freeze, kind of vacuum packed them and stuff them inside the shoes. So when you're opening up these shoes, you'd be like, oh, wow, patty. And ooh, some gherkins that mum's made at home or that kind of thing. So these little care packages came little things I look forward to, but running shoes is weird because I've never had one pair of running shoes that worked for me the whole time. I kind of find that I'll run with one. I love them. And then suddenly one day they just don't work anymore. And then I have to find another pair of running shoes and I'm really into my hookers at the moment or hookers or whatever people call them. Once again, you take the thought out of my head, Jamie. I was just going to ask you, what do you think of this trend? And yesterday I ran 11 miles. It's unusual for me. I don't really like run distance. I normally run around the block, but because of this 200 miler, I've been running out to my dad's place and he lives 11 miles away, right? And then my girlfriend picks me up. But yesterday I ran it in a pair of hookers, hookers, hooker-one, whatever they're called. Which ones? These ones are called... The name escapes me, but they're road trainers and they're the ones with the fattest soul. Right, I've got the Clifton's. Yeah, for our friends listening, hooker are a relatively new brand on the market. And they've completely gone against what was a trend about one, two, three to sort of five years ago of minimal shoes like running as natural as you can be. So you've got people running barefoot, which I've done and it's an amazing experience. You've got people running with flat shoes. You've got people running with minimal cushioning and the idea being your body is as kind of in tune with its natural state as possible. But then hooker came along and went, now, sod all that big, fat, cushioned basis of the shoes, basically, the foamy bit at the bottom. And for us older runners, especially people like myself who've had back problems, they actually, yeah, when you stamp down on a hooker, it's a lot less shock going through your body, right? So it suddenly becomes like a, yeah, that could be the way to go. My issue yesterday is I ran this 11 miles and I was worried, Jamie, they were so spongy. I was worried if I was losing like kinetic energy through that sponginess and it was actually making me more tired to run in these soft shoes than if I'd just run in my normal pair of trainers. Well, I suppose it depends on what kind of degree of, if you've gone right to the biggest ones, then maybe that might be the case. The Clifton's I've got, I don't feel that much difference from running in my other shoes, but I did come from Ultra Boosts, the Adidas ones, which are quite spongy, but I really found it on the trails when I was running the Trans Alpine Run back in 2018. I did it in the La Fatte Evos and I just felt that my legs didn't get tired. They didn't have that jarring every day, all day, that shook the muscles. And I think I just felt like I was running on air the whole time and it really did help with my kind of recovery. So it allowed me to get up every day feeling fresher and be able to push on. I'm not someone who goes quickly. I'm someone who kind of goes medium speed, but hopefully can do that day in, day out. Though, having said that, I'm injured at the moment, but that's what I want to get back to. What's your injury at the moment, just of interest? No idea. I've got something with my left ankle Achilles heel. That whole area is kind of, I can play tennis, I can box, I can skip. But if I run, it's just causing some sort of, and I think it's something probably up with the glutes or in the hamstrings or the IT band. So I've just got my vibrating foam roller back. So I'm going to start just sitting on that and try and work the muscles a bit. And then just, my problem is that I won't run, because I'm injured, I won't run for a month. And then I'll go, oh, I'm better now. And I'll nail a kind of 40 minute 10K trail run. And then unsurprisingly, the next day I'm injured again. So I'm really going to try and take it right back, do the two kilometers, the three kilometers and build up slowly, stay on roads first and then build up onto trails as I go. My adventure for next year, will is going to be hopefully cycling related. I don't want to put too much pressure on my running at the moment. If it needs rest, it's done over 20,000 kilometers of adventure running. That's not including any of my training. So there's probably about 30,000 kilometers of running on through my body. So if it needs a year off, I can have a year off. Yes, injuries, isn't it? That's a funny thing again. But you've had a spinal one, didn't you? Yeah, I popped a disc when I was training to run the length of the country. And it's actually, for anyone listening that I haven't promoted it to, it's all in my latest book. Nice plug. Yeah. Stay to mine. There we go. I didn't intend to plug this, Jamie, but since we're talking about it, stay to mine how I ran 36 ultramarathons back to back with no training. And I did no training because I come from disability, as in my back was absolutely screwed. I'd never experienced such agony. I couldn't get out of bed for the best part of six months, if not a year. I had to wait and wait and wait for surgery. I'm not like a surgery type of guy, I believe in finding a natural route to these things, but it wouldn't get, I mean, you can only lie in bed for so many months before your life is just passing you by, right? And the surgery was literally a quick fix. But other than that, injury-wise, I found I can run through most of them, you know? Whereas before when I was young, if you got a little sprain or a this, stop running, recover, go on the website, panic, how do I, you know, who else is it going through, what I'm going through? When I ran the length of the UK, you haven't got that luxury, you just got to keep going. If you want to run an ultramarathon a day, you've obviously got to keep going. So I've got, I've had a clicking ankle for, I don't even know when it started clicking 30 years ago, probably, and that gives me pain the more I run, but I can just run through it. I had Achilles tendonitis in the Marines during my commando tests. It was from the lever on the back of my boot that had got hard and dried and it had formed this kink, which was pushing into the tendon. And just that slight push, every time you, you know, put your foot down, had ruptured the tendon. So in that case, I just cut the back of the boot out. So I'd like boot sandals. What else? When I ran the country, I had this massive pain in my knee to the point where I was wondering if it was going to make me have to give up. It was so bad. And it turned out not to be structural at all. It was just a nerve under, under the skin of my, is it the patella, the front of your knee? Just, just, it was some sort of nerve thing that, that where the skin was rubbing against the bone, the nerve was getting inflamed. So it wasn't a structural thing. And once I knew it wasn't structural, I didn't care about the pain. I just knew I'm not going to break my knee. I got a shin splint halfway down the country. So I fractured my right leg. And that was a horrible moment because as I said earlier, my mind isn't thinking, should I give up? My mind's thinking, how, how do I continue? It's in my book. Rum comes into the equation, folks. I'm just going to state that here and now. But yeah, I taught a rum really, really, really helped me at that point. I ran the rest of the thing with a fractured leg. But yeah, you've got a feel for people with injuries, haven't you? If it screws up the thing that you love, you know, that's, that's big enough. And it's so you can put a, you know, plant surface, or whatever it's called plant. That can put a runner out. Yeah, that can put a runner out for two years, right? Doing what they love. If you get that on a challenge that you, you've spent thousands of pounds of money on and everyone's invested in you and you've got some charity stuff going on. Yeah. So got to hope that doesn't happen, right? Yeah, I hope your injury gets, gets better. Yeah, well, luckily I can do other things. So I can cycle and I just bought some ski touring skis so I can head up to the Pyrenees when, when we're allowed out of our houses properly, which is not for another two weeks. So. Yes. But there's no snow. So hopefully in the next two weeks if it could just snow, that would be lovely. What kind of skiing do you do? I'm going to start doing, I'm going to start doing ski touring. So skinning up the mountains and then, and then skiing down. And I've got a couple of friends, one who lives nearby and one in the Alps. And they both do ski touring. So they're going to be my coaches. So the skis, ski boots and skins that are all turning up. And then it's a whole new world. Oh, it's a beautiful sport. Have you done it? Well, you have to in the Marines, you've got to learn to cross country ski. Right. Yeah. In Norway, I think they call it. Lang Lough. And. So I've lived in Norway on and off for about, I think we're about four years. And when you're up in the mountains, so in the northern part of Norway, you divide Norway across the middle, anywhere above there, it's all skiing territory. And every weekend, a tractor will go out or some kind of snowmobile and it, and it cuts tracks in. Yeah. Put them all around the local area for the local people. So that weekend, you just put your skis on your, your boots, which are nothing like downhill boots, obviously, or certainly nothing like snowball boots. And you wax up your skis with the right wax, depending on the temperature, what your ability or what you want to achieve. And you got two things you can do. You can either go in the tracks and they're like little, they're perfect, you know, they're, if you go out early morning, they're all, I see these tracks from the frost and you can go so fast. And then you get to a downhill and you tuck in and into the egg and you just got to kind of hold on tight and stay in those tracks and it, oh, Jamie, it's just so brilliant. It's so, it's such a great sport. And then of course you can go, you can go off the tracks, which is cross country. And a lot of it is like you're stepping in deep snow, but then you, you know, you get to a bit, it's a bit pieced in and you can ski down it, but it's, it's a wonderful sport. And when you see it on the Olympics and stuff, and really can appreciate the, the professionalism of these Norwegians and Swedes and the Swiss and the Austrians and all these, and the, you know, the Czechs, this central European countries that, that they've done this since birth, you know, they've been on skis since they were like three years old, not, that's not birth, is it? Right. And you get it. You get why this country wants to be the best at this and this country, but they are bloody good at it. It, it too, it's, yeah, I'm just happy to have had like a small, a small experience in that area. Yeah, I'm just hoping, hoping that we get some snow before I depart on my next adventure. And then of course, sorry, I just to add to that, you've got telemark. Yeah. The telemark is a type of ski, and it's also a type of turn that you do on a ski, which is very graceful. And it goes back to the, ye olde times where people had to get around on skis, and that's just a whole nother thing again. Then you get skins, which, which you mentioned, Jamie, which mean you can actually ski up uphill. It's, uh, Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Yeah. It's a, it's a great area. You can ski up on his skins, take your skins off and then ski down the boots. You can clip him in at the heels. So you can actually like downhill ski. Yes. Gosh. What do you do fitness wise, mate? What, what, what do you do? You know, do you have like a training program? Do you just do it for fun? Do you, do you count calories? Do you have a diet? Um, I definitely don't have a diet. Should have a diet. Uh, I do try to eat healthy. So I, I, I, my diet and my training and everything changes quite a lot. So at the moment I'm up at seven in the morning. I'll do yoga straight up. I'll do half an hour, 40 minutes of yoga, uh, before breakfast on a normal day. I'll then go for cause I can't run at the moment. I'll do something like an eight, nine kilometer walk. Um, and then come back. And then I liked the, I'm getting quite into skipping at the moment with heavy, heavy rope skipping. Um, and boxing and cycling. So I'll try and do. I like if I can to do at least 15, 1600 calories of exercise per day. Um, so that normally takes about three hours, four hours. Um, I like after this, I went cycling this morning. I did yoga this morning. I'm going to do some skipping this afternoon. And then I'm going to go, uh, for a walk this evening. So that'll be my day. And then during the, I'll eat. I have musli for breakfast. And then I'll lunch. I'll have soup or something. And then in the evening I'll have meat and two veg. And probably a glass of wine. Jeremy, when you've been on your travels, what? I'll ask you two things. What was the worst moment mentally where you felt at your lowest that you, you had to push through? And also what was the most dangerous situation you've been in? Well, the most dangerous one. Uh, I think probably was when I was trekking across Mongolia. I don't know. You come across Karl Buschby. Name rings a bell, but you'd like Karl Buschby. Look up Karl Buschby. Look up Karl Buschby bearing straight. Um, he is the first man with the guy you did it with. It was the first two to cross, uh, from America to Russia across the bearing straight on foot. Wow. Um, uh, basically by walking across ice floats and then jumping into the freezing water, swimming to the next one, pulling, uh, thing on the trailer. Uh, it's, it's insane. Uh, anyway, I joined him in Mongolia for two months of camel trekking and actually it was with the animals is when the most dangerous stuff because that's what you can't control when you're running, when you're cycling, when you're mountaineering, you can control pretty much everything. You know, weather comes in and stuff, but if you have the right equipment and you have the right skills, you can pretty much control. But when you've got animals that suddenly stampede and you're standing in the middle and then suddenly 10 camels in a rain, all suddenly go out sideways and then all start running towards you. You have to run very, very quickly. Uh, or there were times where they were like, would get stuck in the snow and they're tied together. You'd have to dive in with all the feet and you'd have to cry and cut the ropes so they'd free up so they didn't get injured. So in danger wise, that's probably the most dangerous stuff I've done. And it's you're in minus 23 degrees, uh, in the middle of nowhere, things go wrong. You're not going to be jumping into a hospital anytime soon. So it's kind of dangerous stuff there. Uh, in terms of low mental side, there's been, I've never really had a like catastrophic moment of doubt when I've been on an adventure. You know, I choose these adventures because I want to do them. I know there's going to be times that are going to be tough and I know that I have the physical ability to get through it. And what I caught and what I tell people is whenever things get tough, whenever things get hard, I quite honestly sit down on the side of the road wherever I am. And I think you made a conscious decision to be here before you were here used to work in an office. Now, if you don't want to be where you are right now facing the problem that's ahead of you, the option is that you go back to that world that you didn't want to be in before because that's the only other option you've got. So you either tough it out here, find a solution and get on with it. Or you quit and go back to the life that you didn't enjoy before. And that is enough. Just to basically shake sense into myself and make me get back into the mindset I need to push on. Wow. Yes. Yeah, I think we all have our way of rationalising that with ourselves, don't we? It's not really an option as it comes back to the office. Sorry to everyone who works in an office. If you love it, I'm envious of you. Yeah. But it's all about decisions and you live with your decisions and everything in life. I think every decision in life will come with benefits and you'll lose certain things. I now made a choice to live in the southwest of France and it's great. I love it. But you lose the social element. Not that many people to pop out and have lunch with around here. I'm kind of in the middle of nowhere. Most of my friends are a lot older than I am. Nearly double my age, some of them. So you kind of lose. So when I made the decision not to work in an office, I made a decision to be in hardship. And that's what you live with it. And you have to either embrace it or you can complain about it. And I'd like to embrace it. Jeremy, how have you found sponsorship? It's something that sounds great. And you'd think all adventurers, explorers, endurance athletes, wherever you got all this sponsorship thrown at them. But I've never had that. Not that I've done anything compared to what you have. But I was very fortunate when I ran the UK, I had two friends of mine that own companies that they chucked 500 quid in the pot towards my expenses. But I've never really kind of gone out for the corporate thing. How do you find that? It's really difficult, the sponsorship world because obviously you want money. But if you want money, then you have to give something back in return for that. So when you're trying to do stuff purely... Sorry, my neighbour was trying to... Can I just quickly... Yeah, just tell him we'll be five more minutes and then we're good, mate. Oh, he seems to have gone. So yeah, the sponsorship is tricky because you obviously want it, but you have to give something back for it. I've been really lucky that I got back from my big adventure and I got approached by a company. It was Land Rover Mobile Phone. So I started working with them and then they introduced me to console that door and then that relationship happened and then doing other things, other relationships happened and that has kind of snowballed and I've just stuck very closely with the... Everything I do is about passion, about authenticity and about being who I am and I've just been really lucky to fall in with these companies through chance that we have managed to work together in a way that we're doing stuff that's mutually beneficial and all the time I've never done an adventure that I've been told to do. I've always done adventures that I wanted to do and they support me in that. It's one of these things. I know this is a bubble at the moment. I left work six and a half years ago and since then I've had all these beautiful things happen and things dropped into place and sponsors arriving at the right time and then opportunities opening and I got to do some amazing stuff. I'm not stupid. It's not going to last forever. I will have to get a normal job again and pay for things, but I just made the conscious decision that you know from 35 to 45 best years of your life. You're in good physical shape. You understand life and yourself a bit better. Enjoy those 10 years of life. Have the best time you can have and then sort out the rest of time because the whole time I was running in America I kept meeting people going you won't have regrets and they were all like I wish I had done this. I wish I had done that and it's just that with me. It's like I will keep pushing this as long as I can and maybe when I finally finish my book someone might buy that and that will be that I'll add a few more pennies and I'll get to go and do something else and that I basically try and work as much to be able to get enough pennies in the jar to pay for the next adventure and then hopefully on the back of that there'll be a new thing but with COVID and all this we're entering hard times for everyone. Yes. Last thing Jamie Iceland what a place amazing. You ran across it did you get that right? Yes 620 kilometers in 12 days. So my connection with Iceland is I drove a 1962 I think it was army truck from Sweden to Iceland obviously not across the Arctic Sea. But you would have taken the ferry into what the town on the east east side. Yes I can't remember the name. Not recuvite I think we went to the other side. That's where I started my run and then I ran back to Iceland. I started at that ferry port. Yes so there was I think there was six of us we basically expedition to Iceland in this vintage army truck. Vovo army truck and just what an amazing experience just to be in Iceland. You did it right not me. So I got there thinking Iceland is going to be so beautiful and then I ran through the centre which is absolutely nothing there. It's just desolate nothingness. I think I saw one thermal the whole time I was in Iceland and I said ah you're meant to go around the edge of the island so I'm going to have to go back and cycle around it I think. Yes I mean off the top of my head there's amazing waterfalls yeah there's geysers like in the Yellowstone Park in America where you wait for six or seven minutes and then suddenly this water just shoots out the ground there's like a sulfuric volcanic landscape in places where there's just a bubbling hot spring here. I saw one of them ah we got to a place where we just all jumped in this river and it was boiling not not boiling but it was at the end of it I think it was a 70k trek we did we all got in this river and it was just so warm a natural spring I suppose you call it or a hot spring then there's just the ancient like seafaring stroke Viking culture that just permeates I mean one place we went to it was the original Viking Parliament where the tribes used to meet for their you know their annual talk or whatever and that was quite incredible and then there was the food did you eat any of their weird food over there? I didn't eat weird food but I ate the what is it though wedding cake or something the rhubarb the rhubarb kind of crumble cake which is just ah I asked my mother to make me some and she just wrote back and said I've looked at how much sugar is in that and I'm not making it so no I didn't eat any weird foods when I was there I ate delicious food but no weird stuff what did you eat they've got something called hawkel it's fermented shark oh wow and it goes back to the ancient days and I'm sure indigenous like Eskimo communities probably still do this but you you catch a shark it's so full of like uric acid that you can't really eat it so you got to bury it underground for a year basically let it rot and rot I'm not a chef I don't know but it's heralded as like one of their national dishes alongside I think it's sheep's brains so when I got there I've had lamb's brains before yeah when I got there that's like all I want to do is eat these two there's just the way my mind works I want the full experience and I couldn't get anyone else on the expedition to try this food it wasn't particularly disgusting I mean it wasn't lamb's brains I just got lamb's brains and then just spread them on a piece of bread like patty yeah it was edible put it that way it wasn't disgusting or anything but I've eaten a lamb's eyeball before that's not nice does that actually taste like eating an eye I was in Marrakesh with my girlfriend and I was having one of those talks oh when you're in a country you should eat like the local people do and on the table next door to us for a whole bunch of Moroccans eating a sheep's head so I went right start now I'll have a sheep's head it came over to the table I got the eyeball out put it in my mouth and like I retched quite a lot it was disgusting it was more because it was disgusting Jamie what's next for you I know things are a bit up in the air at the minute aren't they so I've got one big adventure which is in the workings right now I can't talk about what it is because it hasn't been 100% agreed and everything but it's going to be a big adventure a proper like multi month thing which is something I really need to get back in and do because I haven't done that for a while and then I want to do cycle touring I'm really loving at the moment I really want to do some stuff in Africa I've still got to go back and finish my run in Madagascar which I never managed to do in 2019 because of ankle issues just this kind of adventure but also I'm getting to the point I probably do need to create a sort of base sort of normality here you go sell down that kind of stuff so I'm looking at that and then creating a bit of normality in life but I don't think I'll ever stop adventuring I think when you get your book out and you could probably offer some sort of coaching in this area I'm sure yeah there's been a few options on that but at the moment I'm just you know focused on doing doing the adventures and that's where I want to be so yes where can people find you I am principally on YouTube and Instagram and Jamie is running is my handle I try and make videos and I put them up and hopefully come the 15th of December I'll be back up into the mountains doing some trekking camping up there love camping in the snow so hopefully I'll be up there as soon as I'm allowed out my house so my gosh is it that bad I mean I I don't watch the news and I see stuff going on I just carry on normally to be honest I if I want to go for a run I go for a run but are you saying you're not actually allowed out in France until Saturday it changed on Saturday but before that for a month before that we weren't allowed to go more than one kilometer from our house and we were only allowed to be out for one hour and we have to have a piece of paper with our name address why we're out and what time we left our house every time we go out the house this has now been extended to from one kilometer one hour to 20 kilometers three hours so I can now go proper cycling but you kind of find a way around everything like you're not allowed to cycle do exercise for more than one kilometer however you're allowed to cycle to the supermarket so it's amazing how long a journey you can make it today my 10k cycle was 27 kilometers by the time I took every little long route I could possibly think so you can get out there you can do stuff but it's amazing as human beings that we've lasted this millions of years we've been on the planet we didn't we didn't know all this yeah I don't know I'm the near the near goes out of a bit of paper to go out the cave and they weren't allowed to meet more than eight people on a Wednesday Jamie you've been absolutely brilliant thank you very much well it would be my dream one day to come and do some adventure with you big or small yeah always I'm always doing something yeah we'll chuck our hawkers on and look like clowns hey I tripped up on the curb yesterday because there's so much bigger the soul I didn't lift my foot enough to jump on the curb but I normally I think I've got used to using minimal energy when I run so I normally just like meet the curb like that and of course I got this big fat soul I went ass over cut all down my leg two passes by came to rescue me thank you so much if you ever get to watch this and I felt like a big dick well hopefully you can still run this afternoon yes but let's hook up at some time in the future that would be great Jamie massive thank you absolutely pleasure stay on the line just so I can thank you properly when I push off yeah I know it will do to our friends at home much love to you all please look after yourselves I hope you got as much from this as I did what a wonderfully inspiring chat and see you next time hello friend I hope this finds you well my name is Chris Thrall I'm a former Royal Marines commando and I fought my way back from chronic trauma and addiction to live work and travel in 80 countries across all seven continents achieving all of my 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