 Carza, Juan Dimas-Fotos, Carpenter, Here. Rubeck, Bowman, Fedser, Lippum. Here. The Historic and Design Review Commission is an advisory board appointed by the City Council. I'm Jeffrey Fedser, Acting Chairman of the Historic and Design Review Commission, and I can advise chairs Scott Carpenter. It is the function of the board to advise the City Manager and all relevant City departments concerning all applications for permits, for properties in historic districts, for landmarks on city property, and then the river improvement overlay. In considering whether to recommend approval or disapproval of an application or a certificate of appropriateness, the Historic and Design Review Commission shall be guided by the Secretary of the Interior's standard for rehabilitation, the City of San Antonio's Unified Development Code, and any additional design guidelines adopted by City Council. An appeal of a decision by an Administrative Official can be filed in accordance with the City's Unified Development Code. If anyone present wishes to speak in favor of or not position to any item on today's agenda, please sign up on the Citizen's To-Beer Sheet. It is not necessary to sign up to speak if you are the owner of or a representative for a project on the agenda. You'll be called on as the case is called. Other than case representatives, speakers for or opposed to an agenda item will be limited to three minutes speaking time per speaker. Citizens might also sign up to yield in three minutes to another speaker who has signed up for a maximum time of nine minutes. Anyone who is yielding their time must be present at the time a speaker is called upon. Speakers will be called upon in the order in which they are signed up. Approval by the Commission does not take the place of any type of permit. Permits must be obtained for all work. Certificates of appropriateness for work approved by the Commission will be ready within 10 days and will be mailed and available to be picked up in person at the historic counter located on the first floor of this building. No work of any type is to be started without obtaining the appropriate city permits after a certificate of appropriateness has been issued by the Office of Historic Preservation. At this time, please silence your cell phone. Okay, well thank you everyone for being here on this rainy afternoon. First and foremost, we would like to welcome our new mayoral appointed commission, Palo Fernandez, welcome. And as you know, she's replacing Marco Corino who was the outstanding chair of the Commission so we'll be in action on the new chair last year later in the order of things. First we have an announcement under our status translation services available for the meeting. We have a quick video we will play. Hola, qué tal y bienvenido a esta junta. Para las personas que prefieren escuchar esta junta en español pueden pasar con nuestro equipo y interpor que es al fondo de la sala para asistencia. Yo recuerdo que ahora el portal en internet de la ciudad está disponible en español. Visita San Antonio V. O. B. de Apanar Español para más información. Okay, thank you. We also do have an announcement about an upcoming event this week. The historic run crew is meeting Thursday at 8.47 at 7 p.m. Nietzsche's on the south side, 31 19 Roosevelt. It's gonna be a guided running tour of the Mission Historic District in the surrounding missions areas. So I'm going to be one to attend if you are a runner or a walker of any skill level. We do have several citizens we heard sign up on general items, as it does in a minute. First we do have a couple of business items. The first is the election of the chair and vice chair of the HGRC. So I will pick back up over to our chair to our acting chair, Jeffrey Betzer who will call us from both of those items. I call for nominations for chairman of the Disciple Design and View Commission. Chairman of the, Jeff Betzer chairman, secretary. Are there any other, my favor say aye? Aye. Aye. Betzings, aye. Passes. Without the might happen, so Jeff has indicated his role as vice chair so now we need to elect a new vice chair as well. Okay. I have nominations for a vice chair. How many Scott Carpenter for the vice chair? Second. I'll push in the second to nominate Scott Carpenter as the vice chair. Any other nominations? All in favor say aye. Aye. About the same sign. Motion passes. Great, thank you all. The second order of business is formal action to amend the schedule of hearings. So there was consensus that the July 30 meeting should be canceled. We've already advertised this change of date on the websites so that people could be aware of what we do need formal action in this moment to make that change. As you can see this suggests that the schedule in terms of the application deadline for the July 17 meeting as well. Mr. Chairman, I move for the amendment of the meeting schedule to be for July 30. I move to the July 17 meeting. Right. Second. Discussion on the figure of say aye. Aye. All in favor say sign. Motion passes. Thank you. Now we can move on to existence be heard. If I call your name please make sure you set your name and address real easy to the microphone for the record. The first is Ricky Kushner. My name is Frederica Kushner. I live at 405 East Arnold Street in helping the hill. And I would like to speak with you all about something that you have already heard and but we feel that you need to hear it again. Two properties at 307 and 309 311 East Evergreen Street in to the hill. You, the HDRC voting that those properties were eligible for landmarking as historic sites. That automatically sent the case to the city council who was to say yes or no and possibly sent it on to the other departments of the city that needed to make changes. It went to city council and it was denied without discussion. The office of historic preservation did not make a presentation. The people I in particular who was there to speak in favor of it was taken aback because I didn't have a chance to make a presentation either really except for three minutes. There was no discussion about the historic property at all. It was denied on the premise that the properties are on the McCullough commercial corridor. In fact, they are not, they are a lot off. And the intervening property between that property and McCullough is an eligible historic site just like the others are. They right now, the way everything is working, the owner wants to demolish the properties so that he can sell them to a developer who is going to put town homes on. There are already a huge number of town homes that are under planning for that particular city block. There is a person who has been involved with this for quite some time who does not presently live in the city who is working, trying to work with the owner to purchase the properties so that they can be rehabilitated. So we need time. We need something to stop the demolition. There is a fence around the property right now. As far as we know, demolition has not been pulled yet. That's time. But we need your help to delay this so that we can talk with the owner and see if we can get these things saved. Thank you. Thank you, Stephen Fonso. Hello, Stephen Fonso, 324 East Mistletoe Avenue. I'm also a resident of Tobin Hill. I'm building on Ricky Kushner's comments. I opposed demolition of the houses at 307 and 311 East Evergreen. I request that all demolitions be halted and then a new historic review and city council hearing take place on the grounds of their historic significance and because proper procedures were not followed during the city council hearing. I have 16 years experience in the fields of archeology, cultural resources management, and historic preservation. In that time, I co-authored and contributed to numerous national registered organizations and participated in historic building and site evaluations. It is clear to me that the coal house at 307 East Evergreen is potentially eligible for listing based on its association with Medal of Honor recipient, Lieutenant Colonel Robert G. Cole, and it deserves a formal review by the State Historic Preservation Office to determine whether it is eligible. It is also clear, as Ms. Kushner presented, that these factors were not discussed at the city council hearing. And that the vote was based only on false claim that the buildings are located on the McCullough Business Corridor. As it is, residents of the neighborhood have been taking on the tasks of research and crisis management on our own as unpaid volunteers with limited time and resources. And we are now faced with an emergency situation where two historic buildings are under immediate threat of permanent and irreversible destruction because decisions and procedures- Always has an impact on the neighborhood. So I think it should only be done when it's necessary and it's not at all necessary in this case. The historic home across the street from me was just recently demolished this past year on East Mistletoe. And debris in the air, what you call demolition dust, made me and my husband very sick for an extended period. In my case, it was a huge bronchitis. It interrupted my work. It was very painful. And it was due to that demolition process. Demolition is a nuisance, it's an eyesore, and it's a health threat. And I wanna make people aware of that. And I think it should only be done for good reason. There's no good reason to tear down these homes. People would be interested. We know at least one person is interested in buying these homes if given the chance and they were never given that chance. They're in fine shape. This is a desirable neighborhood and increasingly desirable neighborhood. And many people come to Tobin Hill precisely to fix up and live in historic homes like these. 307, the home of Lieutenant Robert G. Cole is especially historic. Buildings ties to the past in a special way. And I don't think I need to elaborate that on that in this city known for the Alamo. Further studying and designating this home gives us the chance to learn about and commemorate this local hero who's also an American hero. If we needed to tear these buildings down for safety reasons or for a really necessary construction like a fire station, I would understand. Again, I wouldn't like it just because demolition always disrupts the neighborhood. But I would understand. And that's not the case here. There's no good reason to disrupt and endanger the people who live and work in the neighborhood and to sever an irreplaceable link to the past just for a quick buck. Thank you. Paisa Schell. Hello, I'm Paisa Schell, a little bit 430 East Missalto Avenue. I'm on the board of the Tobinil Community Association and a member of the Tier 1 Neighborhood Coalition. But I am speaking for myself as a concerned citizen about the same case, 307 and 309 East Evergreen. You did hear this case and you supported the landmark designation of this case. We presented thorough research, a fantastic statement of significance that was well researched and multiple letters of support from current and former San Antonio residents, including the U.S. Army Port San Houston, the San Antonio Conservation Society and the North St. Mary's Business Association. We appreciate that you recommended the landmark designation of these houses. It is within your power to move to create a historic district for these houses. And that is what we are asking you to do today. Tobinil has faced demolition after demolition in the last two years. We continue to see our residential court eroded and replaced with cheaply and quickly built housing that is sold for top dollar. This housing is not affordable or workforce housing, which is a goal of our city. It's simply market rate designed to maximize profits in the short term. We're losing Tobinil's unique character and history with every demolition. When I posted the initial demolition request regarding these houses to the Tobinil Community Association Facebook page, the post received over 13,000 impressions that is more than any post we have ever gotten, ever on that page. These homes are important to our community. In addition to the very notable history of the Lieutenant Colonel Robert G. Cole, the homes are important to our local music community. They were venues for live music and recording music and they were also used for the offices of the Mujeres Unigas, which provides HIV and AIDS shelter for women. They've moved their offices, but these houses are important to our current recent history as well as our older history. We're asking that you help us stall the demolition by moving for a historic district of these two houses. Thank you. Addie Zayans. Addie Zayans, private citizen for this one, 2519 Hunters Grain District 8. I concur with the Tobinil Neighborhood Association. In my two years as serving as First Vice President in Interior Conservation Society, I've watched the difficult decisions that have been made before this commission. This is one of those that is also a difficult decision because you've already ruled that these homes are historic, but Council chose otherwise. You all represent a council district and you all have the ear of your council people. I certainly hope that you will take the center advisement and visit with your council people and the mayor with this. One of the first things I did as a newly elected First Vice President was attend a camp meeting, which I hope y'all all go to and I think some of you are there. My takeaway from that was preservation is about managing change. Senate Tony wasn't a cross stretch right now. The city is changing rapidly, but the core issues in the city for the past in the conservation society history of 94 years has been to manage change, manage our preservation, keep the character, the charm, and the culture of our city and not tear down and build new when you can save and repurpose. I think this is one of those cases that deserves a second look. Frankly, I don't know how people about doing that at this point, but I certainly hope that each one of you will give this consideration and visit with their councilmen and see if there's something that can be done to help make a preserved historic district in this part of Tobin Hill. Thank you. What do you think? I think I live at 312 Pearl Parkway in Tobin Hill. I had nothing nearly as eloquent to say as all of these guys did. I'm a realtor. And when we came to the first meeting about this, the owner said that he had had his property on the market for years and everybody will sell it. I found three listings for rent over all these years. So he has not had his property on the market for years. It's not a drain on him because he cannot sell the property. And it appears that we have found a buyer for his property. And so we can help him take care of that and we can save the property, save the houses also. So I also wanna encourage you to do whatever you can to help us save these properties in Tobin Hill. I'll wait outside to the screen. A couple of questions for staff. One is when it came before council, what was the process that OHB went through to inform council of our recommendation? So when we take one of these four to council, we manage that council item. So that means that we create a council item. Like it's posted online as well as the materials for council members. So there was a presentation like to go on, but that's two council members requesting the presentation to be given. So we were requested to get the presentation at that time. But the information was provided to council members in the case. Since this is not on our agenda today, how would we as a commission discuss this with the possible to consider options for? Yeah, so I think I heard one of the citizens request that the HTRC create a district that is an option available in the development code. Typically they are initiated by somebody who will be a member of them, but there's an option by which staff or the HTRC or city council can initiate the district process. We would need an agenda item to do that to really discuss what that would look like and give a fear of direction as to how and how to proceed. We'll be back shortly and place out on the next bill for a agenda discussion on this. Is there a way to kind of stabilize or postpone the demolition of this? I mean, because it seems as though that would be the main concern is that if this was pushed to the next agenda, then of course there's nothing we can do if it's already gone, correct? Yeah, certainly if there's like a pending process, we can certainly know that the properties are eligible and so there are provisions in the code for what can be done. We would honestly, if the demolition permit came in today, we'd have to talk to the city and turn its office about what our options are. So if we happen to create a district that's superseded, what has already been denied as creating a store and making a store move forward? It would be a new request and that's sort of a new method of designating properties. So it wouldn't necessarily supersede right away but if those properties weren't included as market distribute, it would be protected. Is there any advantage to looking at a minted existing district rather than creating a new district for just two policies? We're getting into a lot of discussion about the mechanics and details of what a district would look like and so that really should be on the agenda item for motion. But yes, there's multiple options for how it's done. But there has not been a demo permit pool yet for these projects, right? That's correct. And that demo permit would have to be approved by OHP, correct? Correct. Like really doesn't need to do this. We don't need to take a vote on what will happen. This seems to be enough interesting to have and so we will add it on the July 17th version. Thank you very much. And I think we are now able to move on to our regular agenda. So we have steps to be heard on a couple of items. Nothing on consent. Just to make sure I move for approval for the items on consent with staff and stipulations. I have a motion second for approval of the items on the consent agenda A in favor of discussion. I'd like to call to order the... I'd like to call to order the Historians Honorary Commission. And if you're going to tell, we do have a quick announcement regarding the translation services that we need. And before we move on to individual items, we do have two citizens sent in for general items. First is Monica Sabino. If you are speaking, please state your name and address in the microphone for the record. Monica Sabino, 1120 East Crockett. And I just want to address the Evergreen houses that came before y'all earlier today. I have two comments and I have one asked for you guys. One of the comments is I am happy to add my voice to so many voices of support that happened earlier today for the consideration of the historic district for those two buildings on Evergreen, East Evergreen. And my second comment is I do understand that there is an action moving forward where this will go on to the next sessions of HDRC, correct? And the fact that your commission supported it, OHP supported it, the designation. So many neighbors supported the designation is really excellent, and it's really great news. And I understand you're all workout technical parts of that designation at the next meeting or for the next hearing. My ask to you though is, in the subsequent weeks between today and that hearing, why do we have to preserve those buildings? They are vulnerable, they are technically unprotected. If I work for the owner, I could go tomorrow and get a demolition permit, is that true? If that were the case, what can y'all do today to make sure guarantee that doesn't happen? Do I have three minutes left? Please. If somebody could entertain that idea. Frankly, we could go tomorrow and ask for it to be taken down. Is there something, can we make a motion that you follow through and put the item on the agenda? But that no demo permits can be taken, can that be done? I don't think it can, I don't understand how long this agenda for which a motion could be. I mentioned earlier during the ATOM 70 we're working with the attorney's office to see more options for us because they're interested in the application. Thank you for your consideration. And that says Barbara Garcia. I guess it's good evening now. I'm Barbara Garcia, I live at 932 North Pine Street in Dignity Hill. The Dignity Hill neighborhood development advisory committee has reviewed the proposal submitted for today's cases. The official letter which was signed by the EHA president is in case files. In consideration of everyone's time we consolidated all but two of our comments into the following categories. Cases that the INDAC committee supports as presented. Case number 2019-323 for 412 Hay Street. Case number 2019-259 for 119 Viewford Alley. Case 2019-337 for 831 Burleson Street. In case of 2019-326 for 616 Sherman Street. And then cases that we do not support. We do not support. Case number 2019-270 for 215 Muncie Street which is for an attached carport. The committee does not support the project as presented. It does support staff recommendations for the building the carport to the rear of the property. And case 2019-352 for 1021 North Palmetto Street. The committee agrees with staff stipulations that the carport grain siding should not be used.