 Emily Freeman is here. She's ready to come in and we're gonna preview her lightning talk. Emily, thanks for coming on. We really appreciate you coming on. Really, this is about a talk around DevOps next gen. And I think, Lisa, this is one of those things we've been discussing with all the companies. It's a new kind of thinking. It's a revolution. It's a systems mindset. You're starting to see the connections. There she is. Emily, thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me. So your teaser video was amazing. That little secret radical idea, something completely different. You got a talk coming up. What's the premise behind this revolution? Tying together architecture, development, automation, deployment, operating all together. Yes. Well, we have traditionally always used the SDLC, which is the software delivery lifecycle. And it is a straight linear process that has actually been around since the 60s, which is wild to me. And really originated in manufacturing. And as much as I love the Toyota production system and how much it has shown up in DevOps as a sort of inspiration on how to run things better, we are not making cars. We are making software. And I think we have to use different approaches and create a sort of model that better reflects our modern software development process. Well, it's a bold idea. I'm looking forward to the talk. And as motivation, I went into my basement and dusted off all my books from college in the 80s. And the C estimate, it was waterfall. It was software development, lifecycle. They trained us to think this way. And it came from the mainframe, people. It was like it's old school, like really, really old and it really hasn't been updated. Where's the motivation? I'm actually cloud is kind of converging everything together. We see that. But you kind of hit on this persona thing. Where did that come from this persona? Because people want to put people in buckets. I'm a release engineer. I mean, where's that motivation coming from? Yes, you're absolutely right that it came from the mainframes. I think waterfall was necessary when you're using a punch card or a mag tape to load things onto a mainframe. But we don't exist in that world anymore, thank goodness. And yeah, so we use personas all the time in tech. Even to register, well, not actually to register for this event, but a lot of events. You have to click that dropdown, right? Are you a developer? Are you a manager? Whatever. And the thing is personas are immutable, in my opinion. I was a developer. I will always identify as a developer despite playing a lot of different roles and doing a lot of different jobs. And this can vary throughout the day, right? You might have someone who has a title of software architect who ends up helping someone pair program or develop or test or deploy. And so we wear a lot of hats day to day. And I think our discussions around roles would be a better, certainly a better approach than personas. You know, Lisa and I have been discussing with many of these companies around the roles and we're hearing from them directly. And they're finding out that people have, they're mixing and matching on teams. So you're an SRE on one team and you're doing something on another team where the workflows and the workloads define the team formation. So this is a cultural discussion. It absolutely is, yes. I think it is a cultural discussion and it really comes to the heart of DevOps, right? It's people process and then tools. DevOps has always been about culture and making sure that developers have all the tools they need to be productive and honestly happy. What good is all of this if developing software isn't a joyful experience? Well, I got to ask you while I got you here, obviously with serverless and functions, you're starting to see this kind of this next gen and we're going to hear from Jerry Chen who's a great lock VC who's going to talk about castles in the clouds where he's discussing the motes that could be created with a competitive advantage in cloud scale. And I think he points to the snowflakes of the world. You're starting to see this new thing happening. This is DevOps 2.0. This is the revolution. Is this kind of where you see the same vision of your talk? Yes, so DevOps created 2008, 2009, totally different ecosystem in the world we were living in. We didn't have things like serverless and containers. We didn't have this sort of default distributed nature, certainly not the cloud. And so I'm very excited for Jerry's talk. I'm curious to hear more about these motes. I think it's fascinating. But yeah, you're seeing different companies. You use different tools and processes to accelerate their delivery. And that is the competitive advantage. How can we figure out, how do you utilize these tools in the most efficient way possible? Well, thank you for coming on and giving a little preview. Let's now go to your lightning keynote talk. Fresh content premiere of this revolution in DevOps and Lee Freeman's talk. We'll go there now.