 We're here with the post-autopostal, who are you? Who are you? Hello, fine, fine. So who are you? I'm Philip Cina. I'm working in a project, Autonomous Shuttle, for a post-bus. And I'm very proud to be here at the Sebit. So you are doing this project here where this lady is getting into the bus. There's no driver. There is no driver. It's fully automatic vehicle. And we are driving two such, driving. So we are operating two such vehicles in the city center. This is a real place. That's a real town in Switzerland. A real town in Switzerland? Yes, it is. It's Sion in the Alps. And so is this famous? Like, people are talking about it over the media and news and tears. Before was the Sion not so famous, but now it's becoming famous with this project. And how about people in the town? What do they think about this? They think it's great. So at the beginning they were a bit, yes, what are this vehicle? Do I have the courage to get in this vehicle? And then they are confident in post-bus. So they come in. And now I think all the people in Sion, they don't want that we take this vehicle away from the city. So to make this happen, you have some partners right here, right? Yes, we have two partners. Our main partners is Navia, who build the vehicle and best mile, who make the software for the fleet management. So hello, so who are you? Hello, my name is Diego Isaac. I'm working for Navia. And there is one of the partners of the Smart Shuttle partner with Carpostar and Best Mile. And we are providing the vehicle. So we build the vehicle and we develop the intelligence of the self-driving vehicle. Are you from France? Yeah, for France. Where? We are based in Lyon and Paris. And you have expertise in making buses? Yeah, for sure. We are specialists and one of the leader of the market in self-driving shuttles. In self-driving shuttles. First, yeah, for the first and last mile transportation. Because this could be a huge future in just having, actually, it can drive any way. This way or that way, it can turn on both sides. The vehicle is totally symmetrical. So it can ride in the bus sense. And it's detecting everything around. You can even get to these tight corners like this? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Here you are in Lyon, in Switzerland. And the vehicle is operating for the Monday to the Saturday. So this self-driving vehicle are really already there and operating every day. Since when? When did it start driving around? Since 2016. So just this nine months. Yeah. It's very new. It's an old story. It's an old story? Yeah, nine months. Nine months. That was the first city in the world who did that. And I mean, this is so awesome and it looks like a real thing. It's real. It doesn't look. It's real. And how many are shipped so far? How many vehicles so far in the world? In the world. In the world, 35 vehicles like this. 35? Yeah, 35 vehicles like this. 100,000 passengers transported. So where are the other ones? In France, in the US, in Japan, in New Zealand, in Australia, in Qatar, in many countries. But in Switzerland was one of the first to get on board, right? Yeah, for sure. It's a big deal. The difference is that was the first project on open roads. And that's the big difference. You can play with this such vehicle on private sites. That's very fine. But here we are on open roads. In traffic, with a bicycle, with people, and it's tough, but it's running. How did you convince the mayor? Did you go and sit down and say, let's do it? And they said, no, no problem. It's very easy because everybody wants this, right? The image of the thing now. If you are going to the mayor and you ask if you want to stop the project, he will tell you you are crazy. I don't want that. It's one of the cool things about Sion right now, right? I hope. Tourbillon is one of the main attractions. Tourbillon is a castle in Sion, and now it's a shuttle. Many buses, automatic buses. How good is it to go up and down the hills? Now, today we are able to ride on a 12% slope. Like this one? Yeah, in the ministry, we are able to operate, but yeah. We are not yet able to go up to the top of the hill. The top of the mountain? Yeah, but we are developing, you know. Just a new motor, right? Yeah, we just need, you know, just buildings. So in the next few months, I think, at least years, we'll be able to do it. The core value of our company is really the technology, you know, the antigens of the vehicle. And to do this project, you have another partner also doing a system? It's not just a project. A vehicle is how to manage the relationship with the customer, with the passenger. We have to give information. Where is the shuttle? Where can I take it? And we work with Best Mile as we start up for this. Hello, so who are you? Yeah, hello, I'm Gonzalo Garas. I'm a program manager at Best Mile. So basically, here you can see our platform. You see the vehicles that are running in the whole 13. This is real time. So this is the real vehicle that is running in the whole 13. And basically, our platform is in charge of monitoring and operating the fleet by optimization where the vehicle should go and when. So basically, we run algorithms that send missions to the vehicle so they know where to go and when. So in the future, I can imagine that we'll be an optimal system for the buses, car, and wonders of the map. Indeed. We don't need to drive empty. Indeed. We are working now on the on-demand system. So the final user will have the possibility to call a shuttle and will pick up this passenger and will take it to the destination. And there's a way to optimize how many minutes they wait. It will be in their smartphone. They can say 10, 20 minutes before. I want to go soon. Indeed. And then you can see on the phone how far it is. Yeah, indeed. We will provide that simulated time of arrival to the point of the user so they know in advance when the vehicle will arrive. Is your system ready for mass production? Huge deployment? Yes, indeed. We're working. We work a lot in the past to make sure that it's reliable. And we have tested it in Sion. And it's operating and in helping our partners to make everything a success. So that's really, really cool. But this is coming from the post office, right? Is there any way that you can use this to deliver packages? Yes, we are sure in the logistic there is something to do with such a vehicle. But step by step, we begin with passenger. And we will see what's in the future. It could be a full of packages. And it could just kick them out of the vehicle and put them, people need to go and pick them up from the bus and driving by. Yes, why not? Why not? We will see with the passenger. Because if you want to transport packages, you have to adapt the vehicle, make another vehicle, that would be easier to carry the package than to take out. And for us, the main point is the mobility in the last mail. So maybe there are distance like here. By foot, it's not very easy for old people. Or if you carry something special, or if you go to buy something, you have sex. So you can actually stop and grab your home? There's no specific stops? No, we have specific stops. I can show you here on the app. We have this interface for the customer. And with the stops, that's here at Xebit. And the customer can press here on the stop. And you will see the next shot that is coming in one minute. That's just the beginning. But that's running. So it's 11 passengers, right? This is version one? Yes, you have a capacity of 15 people. 15. But yeah, because we are operating on public roads, it's 11. So everybody will be able to be sitting. But the classic model is for 15 people. Is that the first generation? Yeah, it's the first generation, totally. And what's it called? Do you plan to do bigger ones? You know, yeah, as I told you, the core value of the company is the technology. So today, we are focused on this model. But yeah, in the future, we can develop different models with different size. For sure, we think about it. Do you think maybe the future maybe is not Uber? Is this? Yeah, maybe it will be combined both. We don't know. I think, yeah, especially maybe Uber is a part of the future. But it won't be only Uber style of mobility. It will be a lot of different mode of mobility. And for sure, we work on this one to be one of the main. Nice. Have you considered putting a fake steering wheel in the front for the kids so they can act like they're driving? You know, it's very funny because when you go to some service in Tion or in Lyon, for example, the kids even don't realize there is no steering wheel. There is no driver because they are digital native. So they even don't think about it. And it's very funny because we speak about the kids, but it's about the same with all people because we were thinking it was only the kids with the kids. But the old people, you know, are really, you know, easily there is an easy acceptance of the fact there is no driver. Because all, you know, in all your daily life, you are in contact all the time with technology. So when you come into the shuttle, you know people after 30 seconds, they forget there is no driver, there is no steering wheel. They feel safe. They feel safe. It's very natural. It's like with the lift in the building. Nobody is afraid for that. Because in the past, I was a fan of this concept called pod cards, where there would be, I think at Heathrow Airport, they have these things going around, but it's like tracks. But you can forget about that. Now they can just go in the main road, right? Here, we don't have any sensors on the floor or anywhere. So it's very flexible. If you want to change a path, change a route, it's very easy. So it has a lot of benefits for the cities. Because in the cities, you know, you have more and more people, more and more displacement. So you need to have flexible solutions and adaptable solutions. But if you can have many, many of these and also self-driving cars, maybe you can actually take some road away. Because then there's no need for that many roads anymore. It's just getting some more efficient and automated and everything. It's a big future right here. Yes, and the big question is how do you manage all these kinds of autonomous shuttle, autonomous vehicle taxis, and vehicles with driver. But we will still have cars with driver for the next 20, 30 years. And that's, I think, best-mindedly thinking about that and how do you manage this. So you will have a solution for that, right? Yeah, we're working on integrating several types of vehicles around the autonomous. Because the optimization itself, we're working for any kind of vehicle. How far are we from the, because this is real. And how far are we from this being everywhere? How fast can you drive? It's a very good question, you know. We don't read into the future. But what we have to recognize is moving very fast. And we are happy with CarPostal and BestMild to be a part, I mean, more than a part, this project led by CarPostal at one of the first breaks of the future of the mobility. You know, the thing very important is we learn a lot by doing. And I think it was, and it is, the purpose of what we propose is to be able to make it real right now. Because a lot of people are speaking about the future of mobility, but what CarPostal is doing and BestMild and Navier are doing in Sion, it's already learning a lot by doing. And this is how the future is going to become the future, you know, because you have to build the future. So in the last six, nine months, you've had these on the roads. And if it's successful and people are happy, that means the president is going to sign off to make them much bigger, right? It could happen any moment. The next step is we want to continue with a new road, a new route. A little bit more complicated with a big cross and we have to improve step by step. A new route and maybe new vehicles. One more, one more, I don't know. And I hope in a few years we have a big system in the city of Sion. And not just Sion, it should be everywhere, right? All of us would say that. It's not just because of Sion you are right, but we have to begin somewhere. And the politics, they need examples, something real, not augmented reality, but something real, something you can touch. And maybe Sion here, a leader, be a leader. Nice.