 Well, the work days underway for many and for some, it extends well beyond five o'clock in the afternoon, Karen. But the question is, can you turn off when you are not at work? We're bringing in business coach Jason True that says a lot of people are not turning off and those after our emails are stressing us out. Jason, good morning. Good morning. All right. Let's talk about the need or the want or the inability to shut off our emails once we leave work. It's causing a lot of problems for some people. It does. I mean, there's some jobs where it's absolutely essential like your job where breaking news really matters. But for a lot of people, you know, answering an email 11 o'clock or at 8 a.m. makes absolutely no difference and there's no impact on the business. And I think the challenge though is people can't disconnect because of the fear that they might miss that email or they might not respond within, you know, a very short period of time. And that can cause, you know, a people a lot of stress. All right. Here's a question for you, Jason. Do you set a precedent or an expectation if you get that email at 10.30 at night and you respond to it quickly, even though you're lying in bed watching reruns of the office? Yes. And actually you do that during the day if you respond to people really quickly as well. And then people have that expectation in their minds and then when you don't, you feel like you don't care or you're not checking or you're just not engaged. And I think that's a problem. I think it's important when people send after our emails to indicate how urgent that communication is, whether they really need an answer now or it can wait till later. Well, like here at our company, it seems a bit ridiculous to me, but I guess it's in that same, you know, instant response mode. If we get a voicemail, we'll get an email that says we got a voicemail. So if we want to check our voicemail right then I feel like if I'm away from my desk, that voicemail should just wait until the next day. Yeah. And I think like you put again, I think a lot of it sometimes is setting your boundaries with other people. Right. And I think another area where it's really challenging is on vacation because a lot of times when people leave on vacation, they're still checking their email every day. And I think that's something that an office or a company can regulate right as a manager. I think that you should tell people just not to check because if you're gone on vacation, you're supposed to have time where you're disconnecting from everything. If you're doing checking your email while on vacation, then that's just going to lead to burnout. So there's definitely a fatigue factor then you're talking about, right? Yeah. Because you're like always on edge and you can't ever spend time with people in your life and actually be present because you're concerned that you may be missing something or not living up to someone else's expectation. Well, I think that vacation thing is very important. Again, we're talking to business coach Jason True. I will not take a call from work. If I see the caller ID says work, I just decided this long ago. You cannot take a call from work when you're on vacation. Now, if somebody wants to leave a voicemail, if it's that important, they can leave it. But when you answer it, you're right. You're just getting sucked back in to everything that you're trying to escape from on a vacation. And I'm always stunned when I hear about so many people that don't use all their vacation days. Yes. And that's also another challenge, right? So, I mean, I think it's all sort of correlated together. Tim Ferriss wrote a great book called A 4-Hour Workweek, and he told people to answer emails like three times a day, and that's it. And I actually tried it back when I was working in Corporate America, and I got almost no different response from people. Like, they didn't say I wasn't being timely or anything. So, I think it's all in our head and the story that we're making up that we need to answer that email within five minutes of getting in our inbox. Yeah. I think you can delay on the emails. It's when somebody texts you, though, that that's the one that's a little harder to put off. It is. So, is that part of the secret, is we just need to remember that the people that are sending it probably, hopefully, would want to be treated the same way that they would like a little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a break when they receive an email to be able to reply, I guess. Yeah. It's not as bad as we think that it is. Exactly. And I also think that if you, all you need to do is try to not respond to some emails or try for a week, and if someone sends you an email, don't respond until the next morning and see what happens. And you'll find out that you really didn't need to answer that email, and that other person will be fine with you answering in the morning as opposed to 10 o'clock at night. Good advice. Sometimes Tim and I will get a text after 10 o'clock at night, and we are both in our own home sleeping, and not that we're going to wake up and text that person at 4 a.m. when we get the text, but I think they know we're not going to see it until the next day. Yes. Well, we could. It would teach them a lesson. If we texted them back at 3.30 or 4. Absolutely. Thanks for joining us today on Memphis Morning News.