 Thank you very much for coming in number. After this good plenary session about the report and after all this discussion about how to change reports and how to help each other from processes perspective and from data collection. I have the pleasure to give the floor to Madame Lina and Goomba to take care about this plenary now. Madame, the floor is for you. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Salam Alaikum. Good morning, everyone. Just to introduce myself, my name is Lina Goomba. I'm a senior statistician with the NSO, that is the National Statistics Office in Kenya, and I'm also the EGH vice chair. So moving fast to the topic of today. So we are to discuss a very exciting topic on new data needs for the digital economy. As we know, the evolution of technical changes, where people, the way they do business, the way they communicate, and the way they live, and hence the digital services grants consumers and producers closer access to global markets, and this enhances also the uptake of e-commerce due to these new digital services. We also note that as the new digital services are coming up, we also have global environment challenges, which arise such as e-wists. With all these statistical needs, it is important to these trends and support development of evidence-based policies in the digital economy. And today we have our panelists who are going to discuss more further of these topics. I would like to invite Mr. Alexandra Barbosa, who is the head of CETIC in Brazil, and he is also the EGH chair. Mr. Barbosa, floor is yours. Very good morning to all of you. It's a great pleasure to be here with you today to share the results of the expert group on household indicators. And as Lina has mentioned, more and more we need data to measure the digital economy and also the international agendas that our member states have signed, such as the 23rd agenda on the sustainable development goals. So before I go to the main issues that we have discussed and agreed in the expert group, I just would like to recall the need of producing international comparable data and also the scope of the EGH. Well, I think that all of us agree that ICT has become a crucial component in the achievement of the sustainable development goals. And here we have the three pillars, economic growth, social inclusion, and environmental sustainability. And of course that to measure the progress that countries are making, it is needed data. And ICT indicators is of utmost importance. And we have as a mission to produce proper methodology for measurement and to have comparable data. And of course more and more we need desegregated data. Well, the scope of the work that has been carried out by the expert group, I would like to highlight the three major missions that we have to review existing and to develop new indicators on household ICT access and individual use of ICTs to periodically review the ITU manual for measuring ICT access and use by households and individuals and to work in close cooperation with the expert group on telecom and ICT indicators, DECD. And the expert group has been receiving contributions on the online forum since 2012, it's an ongoing activity. We had our face-to-face meeting in Geneva last September and we have seven topics that we have discussed and we have received six, six contributions throughout 2017. And today we have more than 500 registered participants. And the seven topics that we have opened in the online forum are related to development of new indicators, desegregation of ICT statistics by disability, improving data availability of ICT statistics, methodological issues. We have a few points that we have discussed, I'm going to talk about it. We also, since three years ago, we have been giving much focus on country experiences so that we can share lessons learned by countries. We also have a topic related to big data for official statistics and future work. And I would like to start by saying that this year was the first time that we achieved to build three very important background documents to give support to our discussions that we have in the EGH and the three documents that we have produced and I hope that we can continue for the future to have all the discussion supported by literature review, by country's experience, by empirical data so that we can really make decisions on methodologies, on indicators, on definitions and concepts based on previous documentation that is shared with member states. And this year we had one document related to measuring and aggregating ICT skills. All these documents are available to all of you on the online forum. So the first document is improving the measurement of ICT skills through household surveys. The second one is improving the measurement of e-commerce activities and the last document was proposal for definition of smartphone. Well, let me start by saying that the main topics that we have discussed in our last face-to-face meeting in Geneva was related to measurement of ICT skills, new indicators to expand the measurement of e-commerce activities, technical definition of smartphones, revision of indicators H88, which is a location of internet use. The H88 is the proportion of individuals using the internet by location and in this particular case we had to rethink about some concepts for instance when you are accessing the internet in movement, in the trains or buses or in a public square. So this was a very important discussion. Data availability and disaggregation of ICT statistics for sustainable development, agenda, and as I mentioned, counter-experience related to designing and implementing ICT households. The first topic was related to the ICT skills. It is very important to mention that we have two indicators that have been collected by ITO, which is the individuals using the internet by type of activities, which is the HH9 and HH15 individuals with ICT skills by type of skills. The two existing indicators are very relevant for measuring skills and the group decided to create a subgroup to work on ICT skills measurement, especially to define a conceptual framework with its definition and dimensions to be measured and review the two indicators that I have mentioned, HH9 and HH15 and to prepare a document with a proposal for the next HH8 meeting in 2018. Last year we had several inputs from external academic researchers and also international organizations such as OSED that has been dealing with the measurement of ICT skills. This is a challenge to measure, to proper measure ICT skills and this subgroup is, its mandate is to define and create a document that will be a proposal that will be approved by the HH8 in 2018. E-commerce is the second point that was a very active point of discussion in the HH8 and what we discussed was the need to improve and enhance the measurement of e-commerce and the group has decided to include in the list of the ICT household indicators the following new indicators, type of goods and service purchased online, payment channels for the purchase, reasons individuals don't purchase online, the barriers and methods of delivery. So those are the new indicators that the group has decided to include in the ICT household indicators. Regarding the definition of a smartphone, the group came up with a new definition that was approved by the group defining a smartphone as a device which has smart capabilities including internet-based service and performance men of the functions of a computer including having an operating system capable of downloading and running applications also those by 30 parts developers. And this is particularly important for three indicators related to the mobile phones. The first one is the indicator on the access of mobile phones which is the H83, mobile phones usage 8-8-10 and mobile phone ownership 8-8-18. Related to the location of internet access, the indicator H8A need to be revised since not only the smartphone that have capability of accessing the internet has been growing very fast in most countries but also the availability of Wi-Fi access has made the existing response categories not so clear and then we decided to create a subgroup to review this indicator so that we can decide about new response categories in terms of location. And finally, the future work that has been approved by the H8A is related to several topics. To begin with, the ICT skills, the revision of H89 and H815 within the subgroup that was created, the revision of indicator H88 on the location of internet use or access, a new area of measurement that was identified as policy relevant was on cybersecurity and in this particular topic we had decided to conduct a joint work with the ICT, the expert group on telecom and ICT indicators. Also, we have decided to further investigate digital content service as part of the H89. The H89 is the use of internet by activities, online activities. It was another topic of interest of the group for future work, child online protection, IoT and we also decided to keep this tradition that we have been carrying out for the last three years on sharing experience on methodological work. This is very important. The expert group has become also a space for capacity building because we are exchanging lessons learned from conducting household surveys. Continuing experience sharing on how to improve data availability to support the SDGs, especially in terms of data desegregation. We also decided to continue experience sharing in implementing household surveys and disseminate results using data visualization tools and yesterday we had a very good example from Mexico in terms of data visualization and we also decided to keep the big data topic in our agenda and we are willing to discuss and sharing experience on the use of big data sources to produce ICT related statistics. So with this I finish my presentation and those are the main topics that we have discussed throughout the year and that we have came up with a decision in our last face-to-face meeting. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Mr. Alexandra, and for highlighting such an in-depth presentation showing the kind of work that the EGH members have been working on and the kind of future work that we'll be having from now on going forward and also for highlighting that we have 518 members and if you have not registered for the EGH, please do so and if you have done so, be active in the conversations, the comments and the discussions that are made. And now I want to invite Mr. Keys Bald, who is going to talk on the eWest one of the topic for future works in the EGH. Mr. Keys Bald works with the statistics in Netherlands and he also works with the United Nations University. I guess he has two jobs and he is also a member of Board of Directors of the Dutch Waste Electronic and Electronic Appliance Register. Mr. Keys, the floor is yours. Thank you for this kind introduction and also thank you for inviting me here. It's a pleasure to be here. Well, in this presentation I will tell you something about eWest. Well, and its relation with the global problems that we are having with eWest. So first of all, I think it's very important to tell you what we mean with eWest because some people think that eWest are the megabytes or gigabytes on your hard drive that you don't use. Well, that's a waste as well. However, we look at the physical waste. So what happens after you have discarded your COT monitor? What happens after you have discarded your lamp or your small IT or your fridge? This is eWest to us. And eWest is basically every appliance which you have to discard after which runs on a battery or runs on a plug. So it's a very broad definition. And eWest is one of the fastest growing waste streams nowadays and this is, of course, being fueled up by the rapid consumption of electronic goods and of the information society that we are now working in. Well, as a matter of fact, a couple of years ago, 41.8 million metric tons of eWest were generated across the whole globe. Well, I know that you guys are used in girls are used to think in gigabytes and megabytes. So this is like a tonnage. And this is the same mass as 4,500 Eiffel Towers of eWest being generated each year. Of course, this shouldn't be a problem if all of this eWest is being collected and recycled. However, unfortunately, only 6.5 megatons are being collected and recycled of this eWest. We also know that roughly 0.7 million metric tons are being thrown in a waste bin so people don't know what to do with it or they just throw it in the waste bin. And the majority of the eWest, we simply don't know where it ends up. It can be traded, it can be recycled under suspicious conditions so not meeting the right safety standards for the workers or it can simply be dumped. So this is the problem of eWest and it's a problem because we know that across the globe there are large dump sites of eWest and we don't know how this eWest ends up there. And of course, I don't need to convince you that we need data and policies to see how we can solve this problem. And also another problem regarding eWest is not the environmental problem that you see on the graph here but it's also that we lack data from the countries on the eWest. Well, to date there are only 41 countries across the globe that produce and collect data on recycling statistics on the eWest. And I think if we need to know if we are improving on the management of eWest we need to improve the quality of the recycling statistics. And we need to work on that as well to find best practices across the globe. So at this stage we have really bad data if it comes to recycling statistics on eWest. And with this bad data we make bad information and of course if you have bad information no one wants to fund this and this is also partly reflected that across the globe we have some regions with policies on eWest but most of the regions don't have policies on eWest. And this is a negative cycle because if you have bad funding you're not going to produce high quality data. So you can understand that this is a negative cycle. Well, to date I will show you well most of the statistics on eWest is coming from the waste statistics. This is where the United Nations University where I work we collect with UN Statistical Division and the OECD and UN ECE as well. And with them we have around 41 countries across the globe that produce statistics on eWest but I think this is not enough. We need to do more. And eWest it is quite complex so we need to find new puzzles to solve this problem. And I think there are two potential new puzzles which I will discuss now which is big data and household statistics. With household statistics I mentioned before that the whereabouts of the eWest is largely unknown and eWest is being generated at a household level mostly. So we can also ask the households what have you done with your eWest? It's not a stupid question because most households would be able to say yes or no. Well, what did I do with my fridge when I discarded it last year? Did I hand it over to a recycler or did I just give it to a friend? Or did I just gave it to someone who is likely to trade it afterwards? And with this knowledge we can learn more about the household behavior and also whether we are improving with the recycling of the eWest because I think the whole recycling chain from the waste management it starts with the households and it ends up with the final recycler and if the household is making the right choice it will be recycled in a better way. So therefore I think we can use the household statistics as a very important piece of the puzzle to improve the data on eWest. Another idea is to use big data and with big data I think I don't need to convince you that this is the future and I think we can also give a big boost in terms of data on the eWest statistics and secondly improving the recycling of eWest. So what if you are a person like this having an old television in your home? What should I do with it? I don't want it anymore. Ah, I saw an ad on television. I can have my phone. Everyone in the world has a phone nowadays. I can text this number. I have an old television. I want it to be picked up. I live there. Who can pick it up? And then it will be sent to a server which is looking which of the waste collectors are close by. It's going to be three or four or maybe ten or fifteen of them. And then the one who's responding first said, hey, I will pick it up for you and then later this person comes to pick it up at your house and your eWest will be recycled by this guy. The good thing about this is that this will work in developed countries and in developing countries. And secondly, if you link this to a centralized server which is connecting the households with the recyclers then you can also ensure that these recyclers are recycling the eWest with the right standards. And I think this is very important. And thirdly, if we have a centralized way how to link these two people together we also have data how much is eWest being collected through this service. And then of course the person is like both are happy because I don't have my television. I wanted to do this card and this waste recycler has a business. So I think we are now in a situation where we have really bad data and bad information and bad funding for eWaste statistics and for eWaste policies. And I have discussed with you this is a negative perpetual cycle. But eWaste it also contains a lot of valuable materials. It contains gold, it contains rare earths, but also hazardous materials. But I think with eWaste we can also create a positive cycle because if you recycle eWaste your country can create green jobs and you can also have healthy and good jobs for your own population. And we can do this with better policies. But better policies you also need to reserve money to produce the right data because where is the eWaste like ending up now? We don't know. And with this good data we can provide good information so that businesses and like entrepreneurs can make the right business models in your country to collect and to recycle eWaste and to create jobs. And with good information everyone thinks that of course we need to fund this because we can make good information with this. So I think with eWaste we can definitely go from like a negative perpetual cycle to a positive one because there is a lot of money in eWaste. And therefore we have joined our forces with ITU and with ISWA to create the global partnership for eWaste statistics. And in this partnership we want to improve the policies on eWaste with evidence-based data. We want to improve the policies with evidence-based policies. I shouldn't read from the screen. This messes up. And we want to raise awareness with this. And we want to raise awareness with this with publications. Next month we will be having our second global eWaste monitor. It will be launched I think 13th of December. And with global workshops and also potentially eLearning courses. And with this data we can measure the impact on eWaste of the sustainable development goals. And we can also measure the targets on eWaste in ITU's Connect 2020 agenda. And all the documentation and methodologies that we have developed in the global partnership. So I won't talk about them, but you can find them all online in the link which is there. Well, thank you for your time. Thank you Mr. Balde for such a lovely presentation. We agree that the eWaste actually affects all of us. Two to three years to come I'm so sure all the gadgets that we have in the mobile phones, the computers, at some point you have new ones. So what are you going to do with the old ones? And that I guess it can be collected from the household statistics. And also for the better policies on how to deal with eWaste, it's good to have better data. And that's why we need to carry out such surveys from the big data or from the household statistics so that we can inform the policy makers on how to deal with the eWaste. Without much further ado, I want to invite Ms. Elif Koxal who is an economist at the OECD and she currently serves as the working party and the measurement and analysis of the digital economy. Ms. Elif, the floor is yours. Thank you, Chair. Good morning, everyone. I am standing between you and the lunch. So I hope you'll bear with me and enjoy this presentation where I have been asked to present you the new measurement challenges in the digital economy focusing on the thematics that have been underlined by the chair of EGH. To do so, I will start by giving you a few trends in terms of convergence and connectivity in the digital economy. Then we will dive into the topics mainly on children online, child protection online, trust in digital economy and cross-border e-commerce issues. Then I will show a few examples about how can we complete official statistics with internet-based private data sources and finally I will conclude with the work ahead that we are conducting at the OECD to deal all these issues and some more. Well, digital economy, as we heard yesterday from the Vodafone presentation and we all know that it's mainly characterized by a big convergence between the formerly distinct parts of the communication ecosystem. These involve fixed and broadband, fixed and wireless network connections, voice and data, telecom and broadcasting. I guess these issues will be discussed more broadly in the next session in the afternoon. But the digital economy is also characterized by increased connectivity between all of us, between individuals. Today, 74% of individuals at OECD, for which we had the data, connect to the internet on a daily basis. In some countries, the ratios are really close to the saturation every day. Connectivity between individuals but also between devices. M2M SIM card penetration in G20 reached 10 per 100 inhabitants in 2017 where we used the GSMA data as compared to 2.7 back in 2012. M2M is part of the IoT infrastructure. M2M is fundamental and we see that now we have important players in the worldwide arena and we can have all worldwide data. We can see that China today accounts for 44% of the M2M connections worldwide, which is three times the share of US. Now, how can we improve the IoT measurement? To do so, this is a very new field. We have established a task force in my working party in conjunction with different colleagues dealing with more in the IoT issues to develop statistical definitions and nomenclatures. What do we mean by IoT? How can we measure beyond the M2M communication? We would like to have an overview about the existing data sources both from official statistics and from private data sources. Some countries have questions in their household surveys on do you have any connected device? Do you use the internet to connect to your devices at home? But these are very limited. They don't necessarily give us information on the frequency, on the intensity, so these should be stock taken and then hopefully come up with the OECD model survey which can contain a new module. So far our 2014 revision doesn't contain a module, but we are aware of the fact that we need such a guidance for all countries, members and the partner countries to assess and to measure IoT. Another topic which concerns all of us is the Children's Online Protection. Children are increasingly younger online. Our PISA data, OECD PISA data show that students who accessed the internet before the age 6 or below, the ratio of those students increased in all countries, almost all countries, between 2012 and 2015. Children are younger and vulnerable. It's hard to read, but this is a figure from the EU Kids Online Initiative, mainly European but also extended to other countries such as Brazil, where we see that 14, for instance, an example is that 14 to 16 year old children, 43% of them had actually contact with someone they've never met before. They are vulnerable and the risks increase. We see more and more people facing to websites where hate messages are diffused or different information related to eating disorders or other problems. So our children are facing difficulties and problems in terms of security. To improve the measurement, the OECD's 2014 revision of the model survey on household individuals incorporated a module which can be ready to be implemented at the household level. We believe that these questions on risks and parental control can only be asked at the country level to the households and not to the individuals. Children may have difficulties and reluctance to respond. So we believe that these questions are more accurate to measure at the household level. And we are also working very recently. We started the work to revise our 2012 recommendation. The OECD's recommendation to protect children online to update the policymakers with the new risks. We believe that the most of our countries believe that the policy is still relevant, the recommendation is still relevant, but the risks are not up to date. So with all the risks which I just showed from the UKIDS online and beyond, we need to go a little bit more in detail and include risks such as cyberbullying, cyber grooming, hateful content, radicalization, harmful likewise or IoT related. Now trust is crucial in the digital economy. This is another and more broad problem where we need to measure trust. Trust for me is as important as Bitcoin in a digital economy, it's a good currency. Without trust, we don't do all our activities online. Trust has three pillars, security, privacy and consumer protection and it's very hard to accurately measure. What we can say from our existing data is that security incidents experienced by individuals actually increase with the intensity of use and with the education attainment. It may sound counterintuitive as we are more educated, we can protect ourselves better, but indeed, because people that are highly educated make intensive use of ICTs and the internet. They are more active online, they are facing more risks and experience more security incidents. Privacy concerns, big data session yesterday showed us that it's very good for most of us to have tailor-made advertising when we look for information to come up with the devices very related to our previous research, but the European data show that in many countries this is a concern. In Germany, 80% of individuals expressed concern about this tailored advertising processes. Now, the both dimensions impact trust in digital economy and our very recent survey on the trust in peer-to-peer platforms shows that only 10%, a little bit less than 10% of individuals said, okay, I would buy in a peer-to-peer platform without trust, so this is a general expression which has been recognized by all individuals in terms of peer-to-peer platforms. Now, what we can do to improve trust? To do so, we established a recent task force, together with the IOT one I just mentioned, to strengthen the evidence base for security and privacy. We would like to promote a better definition, an internationally agreed definition of personal data breach notifications to have better data, comparable data, and we would like to survey digital security incidents and risk management in businesses. These are not related to households and individuals, but we believe that the outcome of this work will have a good impact and strong impact at the household and individuals level as well. Cross-border e-commerce, usually e-commerce, this is a hot topic, we would like to know which is the share of cross-border e-commerce in our total e-commerce statistics. We can have this information from the existing official data sources when countries collect such data, like here at the countries because in the European statistical system in Canada. However, e-commerce data are volatile and we don't know necessarily the value of the cross-border e-commerce sales and purchases. So we believe that the official data that we can collect from the surveys can be completed, augmented, enhanced by private data sources. As discussed at the EGH meeting, OECD has this recent initiative with the Spanish BBVA, it's a Spanish bank, which has credit card information representative of 63% of Spanish households. By linking their credit card information to their ICT survey by drawing the samples, they can come up with this figure where we can identify the payments by merchant country. This information it's impossible to get from official surveys. This information is very valuable, but it is not 100% representative, so we always have this trade-off between the two issues by the time we resort to private data sources. Now, private data or internet-based data obviously has a good advantage of providing timely metrics. And here I show you a figure using burning glass data where we can see the ICT online job postings for instance between 2013 and 2016 and the trends. We can also have information about the length of these positions. It's a very interesting discussion about the shortage of ICT specialists. If you have a shortage, you would expect longer durations, so it's easy to track this information from private data sources. And we can have data for a large number of countries. The online labor index, which shows here the map, provides information, just an example, on the platform-enabled employment and the occupations that are mostly provided available on these platforms. Now, in terms of the work ahead, the OECD has started a quite important horizontal project which is called Going Digital, which has several dimensions. But what I want to emphasize here is the measurement pillar. The measurement pillar will sustain not only jobs and skills, productivity, competition, market openness, inclusive digital transformation, but also other topics, be it in trade, digital trade, be it on trust. So I really invite you to follow us and make sure that you have access to all our derivatives online. And I would like to finish by saying that next week we will launch our STI Scoreboard, Science, Technology and Innovation Scoreboard 2017. I don't know if it will raise that many excitement as the ITU reports, which has been just launched today. We have been expecting with great excitement. I hope you will enjoy this publication as well, so what data are available in other countries? How can we track? How can we monitor all these new measurement challenges? And what can be done then in our own countries? Thank you very much for your attention. Thank you, Ms. Elif for aligning their recommendations. And I would like to encourage everyone at the presentation to be sets in the online so you can peruse more further. And also, if you have any further questions, maybe you can ask the panelists directly so that you can be able to include some of these future work in our surveys or any other research that we are doing. And now I would like to open the floor quickly. I know we are almost very hungry. So I would take three questions and then we give it back to the panelists. So any questions? Yes. The gentleman behind. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Kindly also introduce yourself so that we can be able to know where the question is coming from. Any other comment or question? Are we very hungry that we are able to make any comment? So I would like to thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for making any comments. So as we think through from what the gentleman asked. If I say something, China wants to say something. Thank you, First of all, please allow us to express our thanks to the three speakers. You have given us very eventful presentation and introduced us most important progress in the housing development in the ICT sectors. We just wanted to give a proposal that we can have discussions on the topics of the e-commerce and some digital content services which is now becoming more popular in daily family use. For example, for the e-commerce application, most of the family users are using their mobile phones to do shopping. Just like China, we have just ended the double-one network online shopping festival. In one day, most of the people are doing their business on smartphones. Another topic is about the digital content services which is related to the new types of media services such as IPTV along with traditional media services such as cable TV. Nowadays, more and more people are likely to use the new terminals of e-commerce services or flow media services based on broadband infrastructure. So, we are wondering if we can introduce the new types of digital content services for family users. So, in our EDH group meeting, if we can consider the possibility of introducing the new digital content services. So, I'm wondering if Mr. Arif can give us your reviews on this subject. Thank you. Thank you, China. Brazil. Thank you very much. I'd first like to congratulate all three speakers for the very insightful presentations. They were very useful indeed. I would like to ask about the methodological approach that is being proposed. We understand that this is a very important and complex subject to be measured. We have been conducting surveys in Brazil, stand-alone surveys in Brazil for many years now. We also understand, although this is a very complex indeed, that it is important to give voice to children and to understand what they have to say. We also understand that there is a difference in the reports in what parents say and what children say, although both perspectives are very important indeed, so I'd be very interested to learn what is being proposed in this sense. Thank you very much. Thank you. Let me give a chance to the panelist before I do one more round. I'll come back to you. Thank you very much. I will start as far as I'm concerned. Regarding the M-Commerce comments raised by China, I didn't have time to go in detail, but at the OECD we also conducted a recent study to define M-Commerce and how can we distinguish from M-Payments. So I will invite you to look at this work. Inclusion of new IT services in the data collection is definitely possible, but I will let the chair answer on that. What we could do in this respect is to add the item. Do you have in terms of appliances and then do you use this and that services? On the Child Online Protection it's very good to give the voice to the children bearing in mind the fact that they may express different views as compared to. So maybe the right approach in this respect would be to combine the two. The OECD Model Survey has the module in which the risks are assessed separately from the tools that parents employ to protect their children. So this is more the other side of the model, so this is important to assess what do parents do, what they can do. But on the other hand as per the risk assessment yes, we can include depending on the coverage and the population of the surveys if there is a scope to include the population, of course the questions can be asked to the children. Thank you. Yes, Mr. Kies. Okay, and I will maybe you respond to the first question on e-waste. Well, I think if you want to recycle or dispose of the hazardous materials which are inside of almost any equipment of e-waste you need to do this through policies and in these policies you need to define like minimum standards how the e-waste should be recycled and how the hazardous materials should be taken care of and then of course if you have the policies so what's the minimum standard so what do the recyclers have to comply with at a minimum level you also need data in order to measure whether all the waste is being recycled with these standards and next to that you would also need enforcement to ensure that the facilities which comply really comply with these minimum standards so this triangle of data and policies and enforcement is very important in this regard regarding data I would like to mention to you that around two years ago the partnership for measuring ICT for development has published guidelines for statisticians to make and to produce e-waste statistics so if you want to make this data or benchmark yourself with other regions please follow these guidelines and regarding and also in these guidelines we have made indicators which are sensible to benchmark yourself with other countries and to find the best performing countries across the globe when there is data available of course and thirdly I think it really makes sense to also have indicators on household behavior in this regard because like I mentioned before it all starts usually with the first action of the household so some data on that would be surely needed and we can maybe include this in the guidelines that we have on e-waste statistics Thank you Alex we are just following up what Kiz has just said on e-waste I would like to recall that we have two very important frameworks for measuring the information society one is on the household surveys and the other one on business surveys and of course two instruments are very important and should be used to include or to pick back some questions on e-waste disposal for instance related to China comment on e-commerce I would like to say that this year I think that the EJ-8 has made a very important step in approving for new indicators that in a way respond what China has mentioned first in terms of methods of delivery how we receive products or service that we bought online if you receive it physically or if it's application, a music, a movie you download the content of the product or service that we have purchased and also in terms of methods of payment we have two indicators very important and I think that it is a very important step that we gave related to digital content service that was also highlighted by China I think that this is a very good opportunity to engage our member states in defining new indicators new concepts that is open for discussion in 2018 so I would like to invite all of you that has interest in defining indicators for measuring digital content service that this is the time for us to make contributions related to child online protection that was brought by Brazil I think that for those participating more time in the EJ-8 in the previous years we have tried to include some indicators in the household survey we had some countries that conducted some pilots and the results in terms of measuring risks and opportunities are not so good because this is a very specific type of subject and requires a more specific framework and that's why I think that OSD has highlighted the European framework which is a more standalone type of tool to make this type of assessment and now just for you to know that UNICEF and London School of Economics has launched the Global Kids Online Survey which is a framework for measuring risks and opportunities online and other child online protection issues and now we have further European countries measuring in Latin America we have Latin American Kids Online Network including Brazil, Argentina, Chile Costa Rica that are and Uruguay too that are currently measuring and we have other countries like Colombia and Mexico that has shown the interest in measuring child online protection based on this framework so I would say that it is very difficult to include all the dimensions that is needed to measure child online protection in existing household survey but again this is an opportunity for us to bring this discussion to the AG8 because as you saw in the future work this was one of the topics that was selected or prioritized to be in the future so I would like to thank you very much. Thank you very much Alexandra. Due to the limit of time I would like to add you for any questions please contact the panellists directly because we are already running out of time so I would like to thank all the panellists here and I would like to take the floor back the key answer of all our questions how to develop a new indicator to follow up the new technologies and to follow up a new process I'm happy also to hear that Wi-Fi access e-commerce cybersecurity IOT e-waste regulation framework will be taken in consideration next year and next report that's very important because if we stack to the mobile penetration I think the market will have a saturation soon and then no progress will be shown in the report and that's good that we follow the technology we follow also the methodology of learning and so on to progress and to make this report useful for the decision maker thank you very much and we end this session