 Okay, recording is on. Good morning everybody. Welcome to the class. Let's take a moment to pray and then we'll get started. Could somebody please pray with the class and then we will keep going. Anyone? I can pray. Go ahead Samuel. Heavenly Father, we thank You for this day. We thank You for our lives. We are eternally grateful to You for You've not just created us, but You've called us for Your purpose. You have built us. You are equipping us. Your grace is abounding in our lives and You have convened us this day, this time to learn from Your servant, to learn from Your word, to learn from Your Spirit. We commit ourselves. We commit this hour into Your hands as we look into Christian apologetics and keys to the Supernatural Ministry. We dedicate all three hours. We dedicate our lecturer, Pastor Ashish. We dedicate every class member. You know our lives. You know You're with us. You're building us. You're doing an amazing work in us and we thank You Father. As we learn, open our hearts, open our minds, give us spiritual understanding, knowledge and wisdom so that we can soak in through Your word, through Your Spirit and we can use what we're learning today. These seeds that are planted today will bear fruits in the coming days for Your Kingdom and for Your Glory. This is in the name of Jesus. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Good morning. Let me just understand a bit. Okay. Good morning, everyone. Once again, and welcome to the class. So, we are in this chapter on understanding suffering. We're trying to develop a biblical understanding of why there is suffering, why there is pain and why there is, you know, a lot of these related questions which often are actually unanswered. So, we're trying to get a biblical understanding to this and it's not necessarily going to answer everything, but it's going to give us a framework within which we can think and process what we see around us. Again, I need to say that not everybody else is going to be able to understand what we say, but as long as they're open to, you know, looking at the scriptures with us and saying, look, this is what the Bible is saying and then we do have an explanation. We do have a way to explain some of the evil, the suffering, the pain that we see around us. I'm just going to quickly review what we covered last week and I think today, I'm sure within the two hours, we should be able to complete this chapter and then maybe even move on to some of the things we, other things that we want to cover in this course. So, biblical understanding of suffering, we began by saying, let's understand God's heart in the light of his original intent and it's very, very clear in scripture, both in the beginning of the Bible and at the end of the Bible that suffering, pain, sorrow, and tears, these were not part of God's plan, but it came in subsequently because of the fall. But in the light of God's original intent, suffering is not what God designed. The pain, the suffering, the evil, these were not things God designed or intended for people. It came in later because of the fall man's disobedience, sin came in and through death, through sin, death came, entrance into the world. So, we must be very careful before we attribute to God things that he never originally intended for the human race. Secondly, we recognize that suffering is a reality. People do, I mean, there is suffering. We're not denying it. We're not denying the pain and the wickedness and the evil and the hardship. We're not denying that. We also recognize that suffering happens in three realms. There is spiritual, emotional, physical and almost always, these are interconnected that if we are able to deal with a root cause, which is in the spiritual, we can affect the emotional and physical. Now, sometimes it may be physical, just physical, like, you know, somebody may be having some sort of sick, you know, they're injured themselves or hurt themselves, but many times these are interconnected, the spiritual, emotional and physical. So, from a biblical perspective, how do we understand suffering? What are the reasons for this? And this is what we started working our way through. First, we understood that there is suffering due to the bondage of corruption. Now, the bondage of corruption is just a phrase that we took from the King James, the New King James Version of the Bible in Romans chapter 8, 17 to 23. And in that passage, Paul helps us understand that, you know, God gave up creation, not willingly, meaning that was not part of his original plan, but he let it go in hope, that is in anticipation of what was to come, what he has already had in mind for all of creation, that is to redeem them out of this bondage of corruption. But right now, all of creation is in that state, in bondage or in subjection to corruption. Corruption means it's a decay or a deviation from the original design of perfection and goodness that God intended, or God had put in place. And so, because it has deviated and, you know, it has deviated so much from God's original design, we have all kinds of things happening. There's wickedness, there's evil, you know, whether you look at natural elements like tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanoes, all of these things were not God's design for the earth, but it came in because of subsequent to the fall. And similarly, you know, we can understand a lot of other things, like we mentioned, children, you know, born with defects. I mean, the child didn't do anything, the child is innocent, but yet it was born in deformed or something happened. And it's definitely not the child's fault, but we understand it from this, the fact that all of creation has been subject to corruption, that there's a deviation from God's original design. Secondly, we talked about suffering due to one's own action, you know, if we are not responsible, we will face the consequences. And we cannot deny that and we should not blame God, neither the devil, for the suffering that comes because of our own actions, what we've done wrong. And then we talked about suffering due to satanic oppression, that it is true that Satan and his demons cause problems on the earth and they can attack anyone. They come against both believers and non-believers alike, and the intent is to steal, kill and destroy. And they come against people of all ages, doesn't matter whether it's a child or an elderly person, you know, the enemy works against everyone. But for the believer, we have the grace, we have the weapons that God has given to us, we have the authority that is vested in us, and so, you know, we can stand against the works of darkness and so on. And we also do have our own place of responsibility in keeping the enemy out of our lives. So we mentioned all these things, we discerned by the spirit, what the enemy is trying to do. We exercise a God given authority and we stand and don't quit. And, you know, and of course, we never, we shouldn't blame God for what the devil is doing. And we need to do what God has instructed us to do, to stand up against the works of the enemy, right? So we can live pictoriously and we must live with that sense of triumph over the works of darkness, right? So that's three things that we covered last week. I just want to pause you and see if there are any questions on these. I don't know if you've had parts on it and any questions came up later on. Any questions on the first three points? Just a quick review. Okay, any time, please go ahead. Pastor, you said that all the things like what is happening in the world is subsequent things, like what God did not meant all of this. But knowing that God is omniscient and he knows everything in advance, you would have known, right? Like all these things would be subsequent things would be happening, whatever the Adam and Eve does. So then how can we say that God did not intend it? So the answer is, yes, God knew, you know, God knew that these things were going to happen. And that's why, you know, Paul wrote there in Romans 8.20, he gave it up not willingly, but in hope. That means with the understanding, with the expectation of what he was going to do in the future. So God knew it. But he also had a plan of redemption. That means even before creation, Jesus was the Lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world. So redemption was already, God's plan for redemption was already in place. So it didn't take him by surprise. He knew what he was going to do. Was God aware that, you know, there would be so much of wickedness and so much of pain and suffering in the world? Yes. Yes. Was he willing to let the world go into all of this? Yes. Did he have a plan of redemption to recover and restore everything to original state? Yes. So none of this is taken by surprise. God knew it. And he also had a plan to bring everything out of the state of corruption. But the question is this, can we attribute to God what is happening today? And then the other question which he just posted is what is God up to? You know, what's he up to with all of this? So let's answer the first question, which is can we attribute to God if all the suffering is happening here? Take a simple example where you think about and I'm just using this as an example. It's not about any individual. Think about the prime minister or the president of a country. Generally speaking, the prime minister or the president of the country wants or seeks the well-being of every person in the country. They want everything to go well. They want the economy to do well. They want people's lives to be really good. They want prosperity in the land. They want the country to just keep doing really well. That's generally, I'm saying, you know, the heart of the leader, whether the prime minister or the president of a country. But do they know that in almost every city in their country, there is crime? Of course. Do they want crime to happen? No. Do they have things in place to prevent crime? Yes, the government does. But is crime still happening? Yes. Can we attribute to the prime minister or the president responsibility for the crime that's happening in the cities in the country? No. Why? Because to the best of what they can, the government is doing or has measures in place to prevent crime or to punish crime. But crime is still happening because there are people doing it. But we cannot blame everything that happens in every city to the prime minister alone or the president alone. The president or the prime minister is not responsible for the action of the individual citizens who violate the rules and the laws of the land. Each individual citizen is making a choice to do something and some of them are taking action that actually violates the law of the land. Can the prime minister be blamed for it? No. This is a simple example from our realm. So in the same sense, God is, you know, like you said, omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. But he's not responsible for our individual choices. Each one is making choice. Each one is choosing to do certain things. He has given to us as believers whatever we need spiritually to stand up against sin, against wickedness, against what Satan is doing. He's given those things to us. And so we must, you know, use them and to stand up against evil. But we cannot attribute to God what is happening because of human choice. That's the first one. What is the purpose behind all this? Or how do we understand all this? You know, for us it looks really absurd that a God who is so powerful, who's all-knowing and who knew everything would still let the earth go through all of this. It actually looks very absurd from our perspective. But remember, our perspective is a very finite perspective. You know, our time on earth, let's say, at this point is, you know, maybe 80 years, 90 years, is typically an average lifespan at this point. That's our lifespan. So we are looking at it from a perspective of an 80 to 90 year, 90 year time span, whereas God is looking at things from an eternal perspective, eternity or actually beyond eternity. So for us, these 6,000 years is like what a mess for God. A thousand days, a thousand years is like a day. Why? Because he lives outside time. And yeah, for us it is very ridiculous. Why would God let the earth go through so much in this 6,000 year period and, you know, and counting when he's so powerful, he's so all-knowing, he could have wrapped everything up and, you know, brought everything to a close, which he will. He has already told us, you know, you read Revelation. So look, there's going to be new heavens in the new earth. There's going to be a place where there'll be no more sorrow, no more tears, nothing. It's going to be perfect. And that's the expectation, and that's what's going to happen. But from our perspective, it's taking such a long time to get there. From God's perspective, it's like, hmm, it's very, very minute time compared, or let's say from an outside time perspective. And what is he actually getting at? He's getting at having a people who will be his family and be part of his kingdom, but they will do it completely out of their own free will. Because that was his original intent, to have a family, any greater Adam and Eve, to have a people who would worship him, who would walk with him, who would live in his glory, and out of their own free will, they would serve him. And so through all of this, that's happening. God is working that out, but people were conformed to the image of his son. Yeah. So is that okay, Anita? I know you've put up something else. God is separating goats and sheep in all this process. Well, the sheep and the goats, Matthew 25 scenario, is like the great white throne judgment picture. And yeah. Does that address some of your questions or some of your thoughts? Anita, can I move on to Kennedy? Okay. Kennedy, what was your question? I think my question has been partly answered, but I just wanted to get some clarity from you. So is aging suffering? Aging itself is not suffering. Paul wrote in Second Corinthians 4, though our outward man pervers, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. So did God design aging? No, it wasn't part of his plan. It came in because of the fall, so we do age and die physically. Physical death was not part of God's plan. But it doesn't have to be suffering, like Job writes in Job 5, and I think it's verse 24. He says, you will come to your grave as a full corn, as a sheaf of corn, and bow as a sheaf of corn falls to the ground. Let me just give you the exact worst that I'm referring to, Job 5, verse 26, Job 5, 26. So he says, you come to your grave at a full age as a sheaf of grain ripens and in its season. So really, it wasn't part of God's plan, but it doesn't have to be suffering. We are going to live out a full course of our life, and with God's help, we can live well, live strong, live healthy, live a fruitful life until the end. But then, I know, I know that, I'm trying to see how to put it, we know that aging is a very painful process in many people's lives. I'm not denying that. And the elderly, in many, many cases, we see around us, go through a lot of suffering. There's all kinds of diseases that affect people in their later stage of life, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, all kinds of dementia, all kinds of things that happen as people get older. So what we see around us often is, aging is actually a lot of suffering. But then we need to believe God in His Word and say, God, I know it's important that a man wants to die, we have to die, and I know that the body will decay. I mean, the outward man will perish, but my inward man can be renewed every day. And we want to believe that God, until we die, we want to live strong, live well, and finish well. And that's, I think, the way a believer should approach aging. So can I not have answered your question? I was just saying something, I don't know if I really answered your question. It's okay, thank you. Okay, thank you, thank you. So Charles is saying, if aging is not God's plan, didn't God know that man was going to sin? And the councilor had said, and Jesus Christ was dying for sinners, was after Adam had to, had been created. So Charles, the answer to that is that key phrase, right, before the foundation of the world. So what do we know that happened before the foundation? That means, before the olive creation, what do we know? Jesus was the Lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world. That means the plan of redemption was in place in the mind of God, even before God created Adam. The book of life was written before the foundation of the world. So even the book of life was there before Adam was created. Was it okay, Charles? Okay, Matthew 25, a kingdom was prepared before the foundation of the world. So God already planned that he would have his sons and daughters be part of his kingdom as heirs and joint heirs, even before the foundation of the world. So all this was determined before Adam was created. Okay, let's, Samuel will do the last question, I think. Go ahead, please. Thank you, Pastor. So it's my thoughts a little scrambled. Hopefully, I'll be able to come up with a question. But it's around around the idea of making sense of suffering, which is what I feel we're trying to do. And for those of us who can make sense, like all of this, which is suffering was not God's intention and it's temporary and we have an eternal. I think that that understanding that making sense is powerful. And when I go through suffering, I can rely to some extent on my understanding. But again, when suffering is personal, it's hard to say people lose all rational, but there is some comfort in understanding the whole aspect of suffering and being eternally hopeful on God. But you know, considering same ageing, ageing and dementia or even young infants who suffer but don't have that understanding, and it's hard to explain to them. So, I mean, so I think that I guess that two kinds of suffering one is like, let's say I as someone I can, even though I'm not physically experiencing any pain, but seeing my child suffer or seeing my aging parents suffer, I partake in the suffering. But what consoles me is, you know, my understanding of suffering. But for the child or for the aging parents who've kind of lost that understanding, maybe because of their pain or because of their mental threshold, it's how you know, so I'm just kind of trying to look at from that angle like what I mean, you know, I as a watcher bystander can make sense. And even though I feel the pain, I take comfort in this knowledge of suffering. But my infant child or my aging parent, I'm not able to transfer that. So that's another level of suffering, not being able to transfer the same understanding that I have to them and then watching them. So, you know, like, I'm reminded of Proverbs 1814, which says a man's will sustains him during his illness, but who can console a crushed spirit. So, let me just remind them, especially when talking about aging parents, you know, when somebody is kind of given up on life, because it's been too much, like 70 years, 80 years and like five the last five years, you're just dragging on, you know, that, you know, your time is up, but you can't make sense. So how do you, how do we kind of comfort them? I mean, it's so hard. It's so hard. So any thoughts on that? Thank you. Yeah. So, yeah, so you have rightly stated that, Samuel, you know, we are, you know, we are trying to get a biblical understanding of suffering. And, you know, we will go through these six points or so for us to understand that. But then on the other side is, you know, the reality that individuals, people are going through things that are very painful. And how do we, you know, minister to them? How do we help them? And, you know, and sometimes, let me say this, one is, you know, as believers, of course, we have this understanding, like you said, hey, everything is going to be okay in the future, you know, eventually we all have to die. And for those of us who believe it's going to be, we know everything is fine in heaven, and also in all that God has planned beyond. So we know that and that's our consolation, that's our hope. But then here or not, how do we help people, right? Practically. And I just, you know, one is just to be there with people. You know, just being there with people. I don't know whether I shared it with this class or maybe the second year. So please forgive me. If I'm repeating something, just tell me. I already said it, okay. Sometimes I forget which class I said what, but anyway. So I think I shared with the second years, but I, sorry, you are the second years. So, yeah, sorry. Which class is talking about? Anyway, you know, I think I shared with you our first years. I don't know. See, recently in the, in the church here, there was a couple that lost their five month, five month baby. Okay. It just happened. I would say now it's like few weeks, few weeks back. So, and it was so sudden. Okay. I think on Thursday morning, they messaged me saying, okay, you know, they had to take the baby to the doctor. And, okay. And, you know, I was in class and all that. And after the classes, I responded to them. Then I called the, and this is a young couple. They have, this was the first child. And so I called after class. I called and prayed with them. And so Friday, baby died. Okay. Now this is five month old baby. Till Thursday, there was no indication of any problem on the time the baby was born. Okay. And so basically, what happened Thursday, the child, this morning, the baby was gasping. And so they took the baby to the hospital. Doctors were trying to find out what happened. You know, so took a while, of course, you know, to do the tests and all that. And somewhere in Thursday evening, the doctor comes and tells them the baby has a deformed heart. And the baby should not have even lived five months. How did the baby live five months? And it was any indication before this. And they're like, you know, the parents are so shocked. They said, look, we have been going for all the checkups and everything. They did all the checkup five months. There was no indication. Thursday evening is when they get this news. And the doctor is saying, we don't know, you know, we don't know what to do or whatever. But before anything can be done, Friday morning, baby is gone. And the funeral happens Saturday. Now, what can you tell a couple like this? No, and you know, we bent we, yeah, it was on Saturday. So we did the funeral. And the only thing at that funeral, I could say was, you know, we don't have answers, but the baby is with Jesus. But even saying baby is with Jesus cannot console the family. The two young people. So, and of course, the boy's mother, the girl's parents, boy's mother, all that. Then, you know, it was just like unbearable. Like, what can you say? What can you say? What words are you going to say? And even before they could realize, the baby is gone. And then, I knew all of this pain there. But so I just told the young man, I said, see, just let me know. I mean, right now, things are all a lot of things happening and funeral and then paperwork and all those things happening. Just let me know. I like to come and spend some time with you. But let me know whether you want to come to your house, you want to do and call online, you know, whatever's comfortable for you. And when, you know, and my intent was not to go and give any theology. My intent was just be there, you know, because in a situation you can't say anything. I mean, yeah, you know, we have all this theology, we have all these chapter and verse and we all know that, you know, the baby is with Jesus. And it is, yeah, we know that. But the pain, what words can we give? And so eventually, on Monday, we did a call. So they said, you know, we just talked to you on a call and it's okay. So we did a Zoom call. So the young couple and the boy's mother were there on the call. And for two hours, I just listened. And for two hours nonstop, the boy was saying, why did this happen? You know, that was it. Why did this, where was God? If God is God, why didn't he do anything? It was for two hours. And I know, can you just sat and just listened on a Zoom call. And he just, then I knew that look, he just had to express his heart. He just had to, you know, this is the pain that's in him, right? You know, words can't even express what the couple is going through. It was so sudden. There was no indication was going to happen. Within three days, what they had as a healthy baby in their arms had to be laid in the ground, lifeless. And it was just so shocking. Now, and they were devastated. And then after, so then I offered them, I wanted to just make myself available for them to talk, but they just said, you know, we don't want to talk. And so then I did another call separately with a mother. She poured out her heart. Mother means the boy's father. And she, she is okay in a better place spiritually. So she was, you know, she consoled herself with this fact that, you know, God is good. And, you know, he's, you know, he's he worked out his plans. So, so that she was able to console herself with that. But other than that, you know, this, this was like a very devastating situation. So I'm just sharing that with you, then that this is what it is, you know, even among God's people, there is these things happen. And what do you do? The first thing is you just have to be there for them. And it's not like what words we can say. But it's like, look, I'm available. I want to journey with you through this pain, not because I have the answers. Now, here logically, yeah, I can say it was because of the bondage of corruption. And, you know, the baby's heart was deformed. God didn't create it deformed. And God, God said, you know, this is not God's best. And theologically, I have, I mean, I can, I have all the chapter and verses and I can understand it. But that's not what you say at that moment. At that moment, we just have to be there. For the mother who was in a little different, was in a different place spiritually. Yeah, you know, I could talk a little bit more and I could, we could have conversation and then she had some questions and I could respond to those questions and so on. But for this young couple, it was just, you just have to be there and, you know, let, let, let God work that out over time. And it's not going to go away any fast. It's not, it's not a thing that's, you know, going to go away. It's, it's, it's God has to work in their hearts over time. And then second thing is, so to answer your question, one is we just have to be there with them, journey with them. Second is we have to speak, speak few words when they are able to receive. All right, so that's where we have to be very careful, right? Like, like I mentioned, in the mother's case, he was in a better place spiritually. So, and she had specific questions and I could just speak towards those questions, help her through. So you speak, but speak few words and speak to what they are expressing as their need. You're not, you know, I can't do this apologies class on suffering with them. That's, that's, that's not the time to do it. You know, it's, it's more that look, we have to be there and just journey with them through this and, you know, and let God, God do the work ultimately. Yeah, so sorry, it took a long time to answer your question, but that's, that's the other side of, you know, of caring for people. Learning theology and understanding scriptures, one thing, but in real life, the way we journey with people is, is different. Yeah, is it okay or? Yeah, thank you, boss. Okay. All right. So, yeah, it's, it's good that we're having this discussion because there is this other side, I mean, the reality that what people experience and we have to, with love and with grace journey with people through various, various things in life. All right. So let me just make some progress on the content here. Number four, all right. Then the fourth reason for suffering, which we, is, which we can recognize is that there's pain that is caused due to other people's actions, including persecution, right. So Peter, could somebody read that for us? First Peter chapter one verse five through nine. First Peter one, five through nine. Somebody could read that for us, please. I could read. Who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials. So that the tested genuineness of your faith more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. Though you have not seen him, you love him. Though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory, obtaining the outcome of your faith and the salvation of your souls. So now Peter is speaking or is writing to the Jews, many Jewish believers who've been scattered around, you know, what we refer to as Asia Minor basically from Jerusalem, been scattered around through that region, which in modern day is parts of Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, you know, in that whole region, they've been scattered and so he's writing to them and they, these believers were facing a lot of persecution, meaning they were being affected by or they're being attacked in various ways by people around them. So he's addressing them, addressing the Jewish believers and he's telling them, look, right now you're grieved, you're troubled, verse 6, says, you're troubled with various trials. You're going through so many things, so many hardships, but it, what is it doing? It's, it's proving the genuineness of your faith. So in their case, it was really hardships that they were going through because of their faith in Christ. They had been scattered throughout this region. Many of them had been displaced from their hometowns and families and their faith was being proved. So Peter is saying, look, you're going through hardships, but this is a proof of your, the genuineness of your faith and you will receive your reward and you are going to be able to rejoice with joy, inexpressible and full of glory at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. So he's looking forward to that. But the point is that there is a lot of suffering that's happening because of other people's actions, right? And then in Peter's episode, he actually mentioned the different kinds of suffering these people are going through, you know, and, and, and I've just summarized it here. You know, they are suffering wrongfully in the workplace. They are suffering. They're being accused, even though they're, they're falsely accused for good conduct. Then of course, there's a suffering against sin. They're trying to live holy. They are suffering as a Christian or because of them being Christians. He tells them not to, you know, suffer for their own actions. That means they say, hey, just keep doing right. Don't, don't under pressure, end up doing something wrong. And then there's even suffering because of the adversary. You know, and Peter is outlining all these things in one episode. Can you imagine? So in one episode, the apostle Peter is addressing these different kinds of suffering that these people are going through. And a lot of them is because of what is happening to them by people, right? Whether it's in their workplace, being accused of their conduct or suffering because they're Christian or suffering. These, these are things being done by people against sin is of course our desire to live holy and against the enemies because we are standing and fighting against, you know, what the enemy is doing. So, and all of this is addressed in just one episode, Peter's first episode. So keep in mind that there are times when we will suffer or we face suffering, face hardships, we face pain because of what people are doing wrongfully. You know, just yesterday I was, I was a met, I was meeting our met, one of the businessmen in our church and God has blessed him so much. It's wonderful, everything's going on. Wonderful. But right now he is facing problems from former employees, but not a few of his former employees who are actually Christian. And, you know, they are out, they've, they're no longer with the company, but they are filing cases against him for things he's not done. And he told me, you know, when one of his men had gone to the police station, the policeman said, you see, you Christians, you are saying, be kind, be gentle to each other. And the policeman is telling this, his representative saying, look, two years ago, I told you to put those people in jail, but you were saying, no, we are Christians, we will be kind and all that. And look what your kindness is doing. Those same people are troubling you like this. And this is an unsaved policeman watching this thing happening between, you know, supposedly these two Christian, you know, and this, this little few Christians of God, the God, I mean, he knows their Christians and they are fighting against the putting all cases in. And so, and of course, you know, in primary standing with him. But this is an example where it's very sad that Christians are causing problems for the Christians. You know, and now they're not Christians in the sense of being believers, they're just namesake Christians, these people are filing all these false allegations and cases and all that. But to the outside world, to the police man and the, you know, these people are involved in all of this, they're looking at anything, what's going on here, you know, and, but the whole problem is caused by people, you know, and it's all a workplace related situation. So I was just mentioning it. And so sometimes, you know, problems that we face a call, you know, some of the problems we're facing are caused by other people who are troubling us. Okay, I just realized I have gone into the break time. Okay, let me pause here. Sorry. It's 955. Okay. All right. So let's pause here because I already went into the break time. I will take 10 minutes from now. We'll be back in 10 minutes. I'll continue from where I paused and also see Christopher's question. Christopher, we will pick up your question right after we come back from the break. Okay. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be back. Thank you.