 There's been some experience over the last 10 or 15 years or so on the part of companies and others to try to reduce the sort of impact on forests of their agricultural production practices. You know, most of the time when we talk about oil palm, we have this, you know, people imagine large-scale monoculture plantations, thousands of hectares, which is the case, but in more recent times there's been a tremendous growth in this kind of small, what we call small-scale sector. If they're excluded from these markets, then questions of where they market their product, what kind of price disadvantage might they face, what would be the consequences to livelihoods and incomes can be quite significant, so any government's going to be concerned about that. I think it will require some clear measures to kind of buffer or protect the small-holder sector, and then, you know, some specific steps to modify the legal framework for plantation development in Indonesia, so the actual zero deforestation management practices can be implemented. Traditionally, and historically, forest governance has been the kind of responsibility of the state, you know, state governments tend to own forests, they regulate their use through permitting and enforcement rules and so on, but in the last 20 or 25 years in zero deforestation is the latest expression of this, we've seen kind of consumers voting, if you will, in ways that have implications to how forests are used and how forest producers are treated. And of course, they don't want to hear that, oh, as a result of our pressure and the pledges, now, you know, small-holders or rural people, whoever are going to suffer, you know, because of the exclusion. So almost certainly, you know, the social groups and NGOs, they'll be pushing the governments, like in Indonesia, I'm sure, to make sure that they're a safeguarding place to assist small-holders, to kind of speed up the adoption of certification measures among small-holders and help them meet these zero deforestation criteria.