 Okay. Good morning everyone. Let's pray and begin our discussion for today. Let me just start off with the word of prayer. Heavenly Father, we thank You, Lord, for this entire semester and the understanding of the supernatural that You are bringing to us. Help us, O God, to, Father God, be obedient to Your Word and a Lord to step out in faith so that we can see Your power and Your glory manifest, O God. Father God, we commit each one of us. We commit the rest of the class into Your hands. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. So we were talking about the subject of presence and glory and we said that presence is, you know, when we experience God with us and God with us in varying measures, the manifest presence of God in the most intense way is what we call as glory and glory. Another way of describing glory is who God is and what He does. So it's on display for us to see what God's power is and what He can do. That is glory and we said that sometimes in the presence and in the glory we see miracles, healings, answers to prayer like nothing else and so as a church family, as believers, we should pursue the presence of God and the glory of God and we want it to manifest. We also said that in the presence of God, God has an intention and so in those moments when we align our faith to what God is doing, we will receive from it. Now if we miss the moment, let's say there is the presence of God to heal, there is the presence of God to deliver or the presence of God to restore. Whatever that presence has come to do, we must be in agreement to that and let it happen. So don't miss the moments of God's presence and the intention with which that presence is there, we must respond to it. Else we will miss what God wants to do. So these are all some things that we talked about and in the earlier class we talked about proclamation and action which was key 7 in which we said that God reveals what He wants to do and we speak that out as an instruction okay and we deliver it to people and when they act on it, we see the power of God manifest. A very good example is word of knowledge. Word of knowledge is some piece of information that we receive from God so you may have seen or you yourself may be functioning in that gift, operating in that gift of the Holy Spirit, the word of knowledge where at times God shows that healing is happening, healing of this part of the body is happening or healing of something. Something is taking place but you receive the knowledge of that and when we proclaim it, the result is when people hear it their faith rises up and also when we release the gift of the Holy Spirit, the power of God will also be released so that healing can actually take place okay so this is the advantage so we go ahead and release that word we proclaim it what is in God's heart and then there is likelihood for that to happen so that is proclamation and action. We also saw how Jesus ministered by proclaiming or instructing people when he asked that man to blind man to go wash his eye in the pool of Siloam so as the action is done the healing comes stretch forth your hand leprosy is gone when the action of stretching forth is done so the healing will manifest or the supernatural will manifest in connection to the action okay and where does the action come from it comes from God's heart that's what word of knowledge is all about God is showing I am intending to do this and then he actually does it okay so that is proclamation and action these are all quite clear isn't it it's it's actually we talked about these things in other classes as well okay persistence persistence also in the subject of prayer when we studied prayer and intercession we said in Luke 18 verse 1 Jesus said you know men should not be mentioned men always ought to pray and not be discouraged we should not be discouraged because there are certain matters that need us to engage over a period of time we may not see the result immediately okay and there is perseverance or pursuit required in prayer to actually see that manifesting now we may have a lot of questions why why should we pray why should we wait if God said it it should happen but remember we said things like timing of God is applicable for certain promises we also said that sometimes there is demonic hindrance God may release the answer but we are not receiving it because there is a demonic interception that also is possible so when we pray you remember that example of Daniel how he prayed for 21 days and his prayer was what moved the angel to go fight you know the Prince of Persia the Prince of Greece to overcome them and then Daniel received the answer so our prayer is working in the spiritual realm okay so these are all things to keep in mind and that is why there is no immediate result so the lack of an immediate result should motivate us to go after God in prayer it shouldn't discourage us it should motivate us to keep praying but what is the first thing that we need to pursue God in prayer we need a clear goal you'll remember we discussed that when we said praying making a believing prayer how to make a believing prayer we should first of all know that it is in God's will then we won't give up when we are not clear if it is in God's will then there is a possibility to get confused and give up but when we are clear that something is in the will of God then we've got to go after it like we say revival is it in the will of God yeah it is in the will of God God said in the day of ask for rain in the day of the latter rain and he will pour it out on us so what we are doing is correct okay I will pour out you know waters on him who is thirsty so when we are hungering and thirsting after God God will pour out more of himself it's all biblical so we are clear when we say God we need more of you we want a revival we need a move of the Holy Spirit in the last days I will pour out my spirit acts to Joel 2 or 28 it's very scriptural so we have a clear desired goal yeah revival is in the will of God we can pray for it men and women of God have prayed they've prayed for days weeks months and over you know generations for even centuries people have prayed now we may ask the question why why should they pray for so long if God is the God who if he's real if he's a prayer answering God it should have happened yesterday yeah we understand why people are coming from but there are certain matters where pursuing in prayer persistence is also required we may not see the breakthrough right away okay now when it comes to things like healing deliverance we should always go back to the example of Jesus and in Jesus's example he never took a day or a couple of days whether it was to heal people to cast out demons even dead man Lazarus Jesus never said okay like give me three days I lock myself in a room right come and knock on the third day I'll come out then I'll come and I'll raise the dead man nothing one sentence Lazarus come forth finished right so as far as healing is concerned deliverance is concerned and even resurrection is concerned you know I say that from Jesus's example by faith and you know the prayer life of Jesus the way Jesus walked with the Father it was like that for him he just didn't need time so should it be like that for us actually it should be however there are as we said right there could be many other factors that we are not aware of which is why healing takes time in manifesting or deliverance takes time in manifesting we may have to work some things out with the person you know we need to talk to them deal with this if there's a sin problem then deal with that so all this takes time it may even take work we may need some time to build ourselves up in the faith okay Samo so the all these things are just showing us that it will take time for the manifestation of the healing or the deliverance or you know maybe even resurrection takes a little bit of time before we are actually able to raise that person from the dead but we are trying to be in step with Jesus okay we all are what is all of our desire we need to get to that place where it happens immediately so we are pursuing okay but the element of persistence it is required it is required results should be immediate in some cases but it's not so because there are other factors we need to encourage ourselves to be persistent think of Elijah a prophet of God heard from God God said it's going to rain it's going to pour so in first Kings chapter 18 we read about him going and telling this to the king right but there is no sign there is no picture of the rain there's no cloud now put this to our lives put this to the manifestation I mean applied to the manifestation of the supernatural sometimes we hear from God sometimes we understand God's word and we are clear about what he's stating regarding you know different matters healing or miracles or breakthroughs but there's no sign of that breakthrough what to do persistence and persistence in prayer that's exactly what Elijah did there was a clear goal he was clear God said it he was convinced there was no questions asked but why is there no cloud if God said it it should happen no he realized that God wants us to co-labor with him so how did Elijah start co-laboring praying pray pray pray once twice twice seven times it says seven times it's hard it's very hard especially for the supernatural right people we we all are used to immediate results and we understand that in all other areas that's how we want things to be but sometimes when it comes to the manifestation of the supernatural that's not the case the way Elijah had to move go on seven times who knows how many times we have to pray but we need that patience we need that determination again seven times Elijah prayed how long did he pray each time where's the data on that we don't know in our head we're like he bows his head once go see no he's on come back was that twice but what did it happen like that did it happen over days we don't know right so see the ultimate point is for however long it takes we've got to be there unshaken and saying God we know it is your will it has got to happen we don't know what is standing in the way but we will pray we will pray we will push I pray pray pray pray through push is that acronym I don't know if you've heard it pray until something happens so till that time you got to pray so that's sometimes it's said as push and we for the supernatural we need that okay we need that I was recently listening to I like to listen to people's testimonies life stories interviews because it's nice to see how where they came from how they learned different things about God and you know how they're walking with the Lord so one minister of God a lady I was just listening to her she's moving in signs wonders and miracles and in her journey she was explaining how for many years she knew these truths but it was not manifesting in her own life but it took about three or four years of just being obedient many times she she commanded healing she cast out you know commanded to cast out demons it didn't happen but she did it anyhow because it's in the Bible it has to happen in the life of every believer she kept doing it and she talked about how she kept reading the word kept getting herself strong praying all but somewhere you know this is her experience I'm not saying you know her experience will become ours but just to understand that she felt that just being obedient to the truth and practicing it somewhere she didn't even realize when but the manifestations just started somewhere that that transition happened quickly and she's experiencing the work of God so powerfully you know in her life and in her ministry so it just made me think you know we we try but we are so ready to give up because we are looking at the perfect standards and we say it doesn't look like that I did I took authority right I prayed I fasted nothing happened okay close shop her next what what is the next thing that I I need to look at we give up but let's not give up persistence going after right in obedience in prayer is how we see the promises fulfilled yeah yes yeah persistent when when not to be because there are say there are certain times where God says no to certain things correct correct so how we know that when to be persistent and when not to be persistent okay so that's what I stated there are certain matters where like on subjects like healing and all we know that it is in the will of God so there are no doubts about it personal things so it's not like healing and all okay so the most important thing is to check if it is in the will of God okay that's where we have to take time see before you go after God and say God you know I want to thanks Prince thanks for that before we say that God you have to do it you have to do it it's my responsibility to check whether it's God's will or not yeah yeah I just want to just let's take I completed my graduation okay or else I completed a post gradation I just want to do a PhD or something like that so I just want to do it yeah but it's somehow it's not happening okay okay see studying is good only I mean when we see normally right in normal room so but it's not somehow happening so now how I have to know is it God's will or not yeah so see we'll have to apply all the ways in which God speaks okay and the ways in which we need to seek God so we need to seek God to find out whether what we are desiring is God's plan for us maybe it's not happening because it's not God's plan we have a plan and we are thinking that's what God wants for us maybe we're not sure that that's God's plan that's what I'm saying we need to check whether what is our will is first of all God's will so seeking God seeking God meaning praying every day and saying God this is what I desire but what is it that you desire for me you know make it very clear so God can then speak to us God can show us in different ways right there are so many ways we we hear from God in our spirit or we hear from others we may have a dream vision or even through circumstances God can guide where God is closing the door you're trying again and again but that door is getting closed because God is telling you that's not the way for you I have something else for you got it so that leading receiving the guidance of God that's the whole process that's what one needs to engage in to find out whether this is what God wants for me and once you're clear that that's what God wants for you then comes this next step of persistence where we are saying now that I'm clear you know it's not happening okay no problem pray some more you know seek some more keep at it so first of all the person needs to receive God's guidance clearly Anand yeah the thing also mom we should not we can't deny the practical terms yeah like one of the person say one person just started a ministry okay just want to plant a church yes so he he quit he quit his job and then he started a ministry so he only have five to ten uh believers so he is married and he has a family that's true he has to feel his family so there are uh in some people that they they they've been told like if there is no possibility to feed your I mean family while doing the ministry you can do some work that's a practical thing so in one perspective it should not be like God coming to you and talking to you you should because you should feed your family you should work you should work correct and some people say until God say I don't work so they come this this this term called persistence so we have to accept the practical things also because it's not like you should not work if you come to the ministry yeah fine fair enough Anand so they can maybe take a um a break break may not be the appropriate term but they may work to support their family because right now the ministry condition is such that if they only depend on the income from the ministry they won't be able to sustain their home right so there is wisdom which is applicable but ultimately what is the word of God to that person if the word of God is that okay you know I'm calling you to full-time ministry I will establish you uh in the long term God will do that but for a season I think it's perfectly fine to to step out to take care of your family you're not disobeying God yeah yeah so see even to make that decision to feed their family um they need to have peace right in their heart I'm sure God will give the leading that it's okay you can work for some time um and build the church strategically see um I I just there's this whole aspect of wisdom right as your you use the term practical but um what both of us are trying to say is what we are doing even in pursuing God's plan and purpose we can do it strategically yeah you can think you can uh we see supernatural does not mean discarding the rational mind okay supernatural does not mean um you know letting go of the mind what you need is a renewed mind we can apply our mind and our mind can help us make uh some of these good decisions so yeah overall even if let's say uh for a season you you go away from pursuing your studies or your um your ministry for some practical reasons actually you're not disobeying God because you're still hearing from God and only if it is okay with for wisdom sake you shifted right that's okay it doesn't mean you're not persisting you are still persisting you're just trying to improve your situation and come back stronger to fulfill that call so I think yeah those kind of matters God God understands yeah yeah it's still persistence only as far as I'm concerned yeah so yeah the point we are making is persistence in prayer and I think particularly like sickness a lot of discouragement can happen because someone who's sick and sick and sick for them how long should I be waiting on the Lord how long should I be praying even for their loved ones we need a lot of courage to say hey God's word says this we know your situation is like this but let's do our best you know we can go through all the keys okay minister the word of God faith you know everything use all the keys especially persistence and be there pray and trust that God will do something God will do a miracle okay now coming to the life of Paul even Paul uses terms like I labor okay till Christ is formed in you to the Galatians you know when when he speaks to them he makes that statement so even labor it is associated with I mean it's not like immediate results right when we say okay I worked and there was a result fine but I'm laboring generally we say laboring when something is taking some time so even Paul said that in the ministry in order to raise people he was actually laboring so for us to see the supernatural we may need to labor in the spirit and laboring reminds us of what we studied in prayer and intercession do you know if you recall travail traveling in the spirit right it's it's a like it's associated with giving birth and the the pain of giving birth so laboring in the spirit to birth the promises of God that is needed for the supernatural so whenever we see revivals moves of God this year you've had that course you would agree with me that there are a couple of people or a lot of people are actually praying after which the revival takes place right so there is a connection of people praying people traveling in prayer and that's what God is calling us to somebody has to go through that spiritual agony to give birth to God's promises and there are many men and women who've dedicated their lives we talked about like you know Evan Roberts how he prayed for the Welsh revival William Jay same or how he prayed for the Azusa revival maybe these men did not even know that such a revival is going to happen but they were obedient and it happened and you know we said people like Daniel Nash with Charles Finney days of prayer days and nights of prayer fasting traveling in the presence of God and then you know powerful manifestations happen like people are getting saved or John Hyde remember John Hyde Punjab Sialkot he also was a man of prayer he prayed day and night and you know we believe that now over a century whatever he did was around 1901 but now we're in the next century prayers are never wasted and time in prayer is never wasted time you know God takes full account of every prayer that we pray for us we may think oh is God hearing is he not hearing but all these men and women what they have sown I believe till today you know those prayers matter to God and God has received those prayers and he's calling us to the same will you be willing to pray you know coming out and seeing the manifestation is the exciting part where we are so amazed and thrilled but the hard part is being in your prayer closet and laboring right laboring laboring laboring but if you want the supernatural that's essential we can't have consistent supernatural without you know time in the prayer closet so it's so necessary for each one of us and you know people like John Hyde or even Daniel Nash they were people who spend so much time in prayer and it is said that Daniel Nash he wrote before he died okay 1831 he wrote and he said I have I've experienced some things in prayer in the realm of the spirit but you know I know there is so much more there are deeper levels we don't know what he experienced when he prayed for so many hours so many days in the spirit okay how many of us can even talk about it because that's another realm you got to be there to experience it and talk about it but that is there and we want the supernatural but we're not ready to pay the price okay paying the price is so hard it's so hard but being persistent in prayer or laboring in prayer is that part the hard part and you know when we do that many things shift in the spiritual realm and we are able to see more outcomes results to glorify God okay so that's something for us to remember and it does work it does work no matter how much people you know some people would they disagree with this point that oh only to see the supernatural you want to pray you know more prayer more supernatural so people pray I know we shouldn't approach it like that but there is there is some validity in more prayer more supernatural yeah if we can be in that secret place if we can get into those deep realms of prayer yeah it'll follow the glory of God will just follow right so and even fasting I know we don't have that indicated in our notes but fasting is another very very key thing for us to engage in and there are all the blessings as I have 58 we talked about it right your light will break forth healing will come speedily I will answer you the glory of God shall be your rare you know your rare guard there are so many promises you shall be the repairers the restorers in the land so when we pursue God results will be there okay so yeah but be persistent be in prayer and we'll truly see the power of God so any any questions regarding this let's quite straightforward no yeah yeah one second roughly do you have a question I'll just come to you sure sure just hold on yes Anand could you please speak in the mic hmm just I was thinking like uh uh if I mean a step to start this whole thing to just declare and to just call out I was thinking how it will be for the first time if you go back to our home church if you go back to our home churches yeah I was thinking and it's a new experience for everyone for them yeah yeah and I was thinking how it will be hmm the first yes yes see if if I'm if I want to preach once I'm there about the super national so I was thinking what steps I have to take yeah I'm asking for the yeah yeah correct correct I was thinking the practical practical things how it will be in front of them yes yes yes if I just if I just preach non-super national and then after I call out yeah and after that I pray for them if it's not I mean I'm not telling it won't happen yeah how it will be yeah any experience for you and first time okay so the good thing for me is uh I think Pastor Ashish has done that groundwork in the church isn't it uh and uh he has he's he had taught for many years like before people like me uh had opportunities to minister so people were ready they were already receptive so I didn't have any problem personally uh but there is a section in the book understanding the prophetic uh which is titled pastoring the prophetic okay so how do we how do we raise up a people who are prophetic it's not easy it's not easy especially if you're coming from a place where people don't believe in the gifts of the spirit so there is a there is a slow step by step building that you need to do and it will involve teaching and it will involve demonstration okay so then what what we actually need to do to put it in short is build faith and that will not happen in one day and if we challenge them in one day it'll it may actually go go wrong don't do that have a long term plan okay I want to build faith in the people for the prophetic so little by little we can start uh first you know talk about the gifts of the spirit and then keep demonstrating little bit from your own life that's when people will start to see the value and then as you increase your teaching as you increase maybe at one point you can do the what we were saying the spirit has senses you can hear you can do okay let's pray what are you hearing from God after all the groundwork of your teaching and praying everything at some point you'll be able to do that but if you go straight with that they'll say which which college did this boy go to you know they won't be able to accept it yeah so we need to build that slowly that's how it is okay and we should also honor the work which another person has established right so we'll go back from bible college with all the new learning new teaching so excited but remember that when we go there yes we want to bring in the right kind of reformation but it's got to be spirit led and it's it has to be done in a very honorable way so who's the who's the pastor there who's the leader there we're supposed to submit to them right in submission you need to look forward to the new changes and that only God's spirit can help you do that in a positive manner yeah if if we are going there thinking oh I know the new things and I'll tell them it'll be disruptive okay but you see how from what exists you can transition that into what God is bringing in through you and for that you need God's help yeah it depends it depends it won't be easy you may have to go through some yeah yes yes yeah yeah right and the best way like if you're a leader in the church and you want to bring in these things it the best way to do it is to actually have a word with the pastor and say this is what it is this is my intention I want to do this um you know you tell me how I can do this like with that person in in the loop you can actually do it sure so I'll just come to Raveli Raveli you you wanted to say something uh yeah Nanti uh when we were talking about paying the price uh it always when I hear that I hear that a lot from many people and it's so overwhelming like even before doing anything that thought itself oh I have to pay the price but I don't know what price I have to pay in the sense maybe we are doing everything praying and pursuing and desiring and you know what what is exactly your extent of you know is expected is I am not sure how to quantify it what kind of a price that you need to be um as we're talking also that maybe Ivan Robbers he was praying for like six hours a day that's something that God put on his heart to do it okay that might not be applicable to everybody and I mean I don't know it's different yeah sure sure I think I am getting your question so what you're saying is paying the price and what does it mean how much price to pay okay how much price to pay okay um see one clear explanation is in the book um fulfilling God's purpose for your life the last chapter there pastor talks about um uh to fulfill God's purpose we have to pay a price so this price um it would be regarding you know to have a strong relationship with God and for that sake giving up a lot of our rights and our privileges okay that is the price we are talking about so how to have this strong relationship with God there comes all this thing all these things roughly like time in the word time in prayer so how close do I want to be to God and how um strongly do I want to manifest you know what the Bible says the power of God or fulfill my purpose so depending on that I will be drawing closer to him so when I draw closer to him there are many other things that I may have to give up okay um and those those things can be simple simple comforts of life or you know it may be things that are very dear to us I'll just maybe share two things okay which I can think of right now spiritually we know time in prayer don't don't go by hours six hours you know William J. Seymour prayed I also have to pray six hours if we evaluated that way I don't know whether um you know that's the right way to go about it but if we go about it thinking I just want to be close to God for as long as possible and I want to push myself to delight in him for as long as I can we may go past one or two hours six hours eight hours right so the motivation the way we look at it is more important and uh yeah so look at it that way so I said two things right uh one I feel when we talk about paying the price it's about obedience when God calls us right the larger um um you know a sort of long term aspect obedience whether we are giving into the vision of God for our lives and day to day just obedience paying the price for me that's what I feel it equals you're just being obedient to all the small little things that God wants you to do that is one second is this point of persistence or I want to call it hard work okay in a spiritual sense that you're willing to push spiritually um in faith in uh uh you know in stepping out right you're willing to work hard uh to reach those highest standards of God only two things obedience hard work but when you're doing those things you'll realize you may be missing out on a lot of those other cool things that you could have been doing uh but that's the price you pay because you're going after the goal of being close to God and being strong in God so what I'm saying Revelle is look at it like that don't be overwhelmed okay okay Nancy thank you yeah be obedient and be willing to work for it yeah thank you yeah I know paying the price is um yeah we look at all the missionaries who left their homes and went away and we feel like unless we've done something like that you've not paid the price but that's not what it always means okay so uh we could stop here and the next topic is personal preparation which you know you you will get the content for that and the assignment has been posted kindly completed I'm sure you'll be able to well ahead in time and let's close off with the word of prayer right now would anyone from the online batch want to pray we haven't heard your voices yes ma'am yes yes Chirai you want to pray yes ma'am yeah please pray father I thank you for this wonderful class and I hold this whole journey my father thank you for being with us and letting us with our guiding us thank you for teaching us from your work thank you for Pastor Nancy and thank you for all the students and thank you for that peace you my father again we are blessed by the teachings and all of you are blessed by this uh uh blessed by your words my father we thank you father for guiding us we thank you for your words in our life my father all glory belongs to you in the name of Chiris we pray amen amen thank you thank you Chirai and thank you everyone God bless you thank you for being a part of this journey we really pray that each of you will experience the supernatural and an increasing measure okay so God bless you thank you for now thank you bye