 Hey everybody, welcome to the beginning of CloudNative TV. This is the first this week in CloudNative. We're your guest hosts. I'm Kat Cosgrove and... I'm Tim Banks. Yay! That was a dope trailer. I gotta admit, I'm pretty hyped. I just need the voiceover. In the world. Oh my God, yeah. We should have gotten like the movie guy. We needed the movie trailer guy. Start all over again. Yeah, throw it away, cancel the stream. We gotta redo the launch. I'll let Pop and the CNCF know. But before we get into this, we should note that this is an official live stream of the CloudNative Computing Foundation. And as a result, we are subject to the CNCF code of conduct. So please don't put anything in the chat or in questions that would be in violation of that. We will be watching for it. Be respectful of all of your fellow participants and of us, your hosts. But if you do have any questions or comments, you can just put them in the Twitch chat. We will see them and we will respond live if we can or if it just seems interesting and fun. But like I said, we are guest hosts. You will get a fancy new host for this next week. But we both have our own shows. New and improved, new and improved. We're sad stand-ins for the real host. But- It's kind of pathetic. It was literally the bottom of the barrel, but hey, what can we do? What can we do? You know, somebody had to do it. It's a shame that they couldn't get anybody cooler on short notice and Lord knows nobody likes us and we're unpopular. That is very true, it's very true. We're not funny either. No. See, nobody laughed, nobody, not a soul. Nobody, nobody, not a soul. How dare y'all, honestly? I am already butthurt, I'm gonna knock on the door. I'm gonna cry about this later. I have a therapy appointment right after this, so it's just, it's bad. Oh, that's good, that's timely. But I guess we should like introduce the shows that are launching this week, huh? Yeah, absolutely, I think it's a good idea. Like I'm, to be fair, I'm super excited about this. I just wanted to take a note to recognize that before we start talking about these, a lot of people have put in a lot of work about these shows, like a lot of people have put in a ton of work. There's been a lot of discussion, you know, I'm not blood, sweat, and tears, but probably certainly some sweat and some tears maybe. So I'm really excited to introduce some of these shows to you. So as Kat mentioned, normally this is the time slot for this week in Cloud Native. You know, and then coming up starting tomorrow, we have the show Navigating the CNCF Landscape. Yeah, that's Anaisa's show, and I don't know if y'all have noticed, but the CNCF Landscape is actually kind of enormous and deeply overwhelming. It is too much for me most of the time, and I'm a CNCF ambassador, so like ostensibly, it is part of my job to know my way around this, but I still don't. So if you don't, you shouldn't feel bad about that either. Tim, do you know your way around it? I did no clue. Like, I know, like, if you're gonna boil me for an answer, I'm gonna name you like five things, and they might be wrong. Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat with you there, which is why my show on Wednesday goes into kind of an explain like I'm five for the various 9,000, there could actually be 9,000. I don't know, I can't keep track of them. Projects in the Sandbox, because they're cool, they're up and coming, but they don't get as much attention as incubating or graduated projects. And the first one I'm gonna be going into is Tinkerbell. So... Tinkerbell's one near and dear to my heart. Oh, right. Yeah, so as some people may know, I may have formerly used to work at Equinix Metal, and that was one of the projects that they come up with and got adopted very recently into the CNC of Sandbox. So a lot of folks I know put some work on it, so I'm excited to hear and see you talk about that, Kent. Yay! Yay! Yeah, I don't actually understand super well what Tinkerbell is and does, which is why I'm doing this show, because I genuinely don't know what most of these things are, I don't have the context to understand why they're useful. So every week, a maintainer from some Sandbox project is gonna show up and try to get me to understand what this thing does in about 30 minutes. Now, is this a gong show kind of thing? Like if they don't, then they get through a trap door or something like that? Oh yeah, they get dunked. They get dunked. We've got one of those like water dunking things, like at the carnival. So yeah, yeah, we're gonna dunk them. I would maybe just as an option, maybe you have somebody like come on the screen with a little hook and pull them off, like open hollow style. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's an option. I'll talk to our producers and see if we can, hey, Pop, I see you in the chat. Can we get like... I think it should be Pop doing that. Yeah, Pop, can you do that for me? I just need you to yank somebody off screen if they can't teach me what their thing does. We'll just say Pop, if you're not watching, Pop said yes, he'd love to. Pop said yes, that's, oh, whatever you want. Excellent, excellent, good. Thank you, I appreciate your report. That is a blank check. We're absolutely going to take advantage of that blank check. He just wrote us, by the way. So dangerous choice there, dangerous choice. So, and then I know that Thursday we've got Caslin show, right? We do, we have Caslin show. And I think first thing she's gonna do is deploy a personal blog on Kubernetes. The show is called Fields Tested. So it's each week it's gonna be a hands-on with some CNCF technology. Her show is actually every other week. But most of these shows are every other week. So it'll be different shows every week, but we always have something going on. And so the CNCF technology in this show is WordPress, right? It is, yes. CNCF, WordPress is definitely a CNCF technology. You know it's Kubernetes, but this is an issue that's near and dear to my heart because my friend Aaron loves over-engineering stupid stuff. So his personal blog is actually deployed on Kubernetes. Oh, I love that. And I just feel like if anything is worth engineering, it's worth over-engineering. Oh, for sure. For sure. I once needed to deploy like a piece of, you know, cheap Python automation, but I was being required to do it with Elastic, or with AWS, and I don't really, I don't use AWS very well. The console overwhelms me. I'm more of a GCP kind of gal, but... Actioning already. Yeah, I tried doing it with Elastic Beanstalk and I had so much trouble with it that I ended up just like kind of rage quitting, writing a Helm chart and over-engineering a single piece of Python automation. Are you listening AWS product team? Elastic Beanstalk team, if you're listening, you should take some feedback. I'm sure Kat's Twitter is right there in there. So you can reach out to her and talk to her about it. That was a mistake, Kat. I don't think you should do that. It's okay. It's okay. No, but no, but I think the cool part about it is we're talking about like one of the things I would really like to see out of Kat's show is that some of the heartaches and some of the rubs people have trying to do this, like, you know, literally if this was easy, everyone would do it. We'd probably mostly not have jobs, which I would be sad about. So like having some of these explanations and talking through some of these things that some of these common problems we were having is gonna be, for me, super useful. I'm definitely gonna check that one out. Yeah, definitely. Like it's really easy to forget that some of this technology is very, very young. It's very, very new. And even if we feel like experts, like the overwhelming majority of people aren't, so even really simple, simple, air quotes, simple stuff, like deploying a blog, that's an important thing to teach people. I'm also a big fan of the hands-on approach. I am very much a I have to do it to learn it kind of person. Like, so I think her show is gonna be particularly interesting and I'm excited to see where it goes. So even if you think that you are already an expert, I would super recommend checking that one out as well. Yeah, I'm stoked. However, I'm not an expert. Don't think I am, so I won't be watching it anyways. Oh yeah, Twitter decided I'm an expert, but let me be clear, I don't know what I'm doing. And that's okay. It's okay to not know what you're doing, as long as you admit that, you know, and ask for help and are aware of your limits. You don't know what you don't know, so. Yeah, no, I think, and this is what it's good for. I do think, what's the, what's, Raw Code's got that one on Friday. It's good to me, is it, now is it looks good to me or LGTM? Like, what's the actual style guide? Well, you know what? I'm looking at the docs for it and there isn't a style guide for that. Is it looks good to me or is it LGTM? Or is it looks good TM? Looks good trademark. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, Raw Code. We need a ruling here. We need a ruling here, buddy. We need a GIF GIF call. Oh. But it is, but we all know that it is my SQL. It's my squirrel. Oh, it's slash. Slash, slash LGTM. Okay, so we're gonna, we're gonna say the whole thing. That's fine, we can do that. So Raw Code shows slash LGTM. Yes. Which does not feature my SQL. My squirrel. And I think he's doing, is that with Prometheus? Yeah, that's with Prometheus. And there's just, he's gonna be picking a different CNCF project every week, working with the maintainers to provide an interactive walkthrough that shows out how to get started with their projects. Which again, really useful because there's so many things. Well, like I've been using, I'm an early user of Prometheus. I love Prometheus. It's very useful for observability into a pretty complex infrastructure stack. But it is not necessarily the easiest thing in the world to get started with, especially with all the bells and whistles it has now. So again, yeah, this is gonna be a great show that I wanna check out. So I wanna see like, it's been a couple of years since I had to do a Prometheus deployment. So yeah, I wanna see how that goes. Yeah, Prometheus is so cool. But that's a problem I think we increasingly run into as technology gets more complex. We start like building tools that are abstraction layers for abstraction layers for abstraction layers. And it gets like further and further away from the actual code we're writing. And that introduces a different kind of complexity, you know? So the easier things make your job, sometimes the harder they can be to understand. There's some very good wisdom in this one that I learned from an engineer whose name was Montgomery Scott. And he was the lead engineer aboard a Starship called Enterprise. And what he said was during a refit is that the more they overhaul the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain. Why is Wise Words from Mr. Scott? Wise Words from your buddy, Mr. Scott. Did you know that he also invented transparent aluminum? Wow, I had no idea. Tell me more about that, Tim. It hasn't happened yet. But it will, but we're on the way. It's a start-up in San Francisco, apparently, as I understand. Another one? Did we need more? We needed more. Absolutely. Okay, we have one more show this week. It's Pops Spotlight on KubeCon's past, present and future. And he's going to have Constance, Steven Augustus and Jasmine all the chairs for KubeCon. Word, that's gonna be exciting. It is gonna be exciting because it's been a weird year for KubeCon. Really? What's been going on? How has last year been different than any other year, Cat Cosgrove? Well, I don't know if you've noticed, Tim, but there's been a Panera Bread Company. And there has been. Then they make Paninis. They do. There's been a Panopticon, a Panney, a Panasonic. Panasonic, Panopolis. Panopolis. Pan pizza. Pan pizzas everywhere. Oh, Pan pizzas, personal Pan pizzas. More than, more than you can shake a stick at. I don't know. I can shake a stick at a lot of pizzas. I've got a whole stick. I forgot to eat today, which is pretty typical of me on days where I have something to do in public. And now I like super want pizza. I literally like forgot inside the mix. This is soilent. I'm not endorsing soilent, but I just drink it. And like literally just chug this down before I turn the camera on before it was like, and I don't know if you ever chug soilent. It's, I don't recommend it. No. No. I don't do soilent, but I do drink fuel sometimes, which is basically the same. Yeah. So it just. The packaging even looks very similar because I almost ordered it. I think it was, yeah. Yeah. But no, I was going to say, one thing about the coupon too, that I think is an export note, because I mean, we're going to want to hear, people are going to want to hear, like I know my concerns about like safety and COVID and vaccination, all kinds of stuff like that. Like, you know, how are, how are they going to make it a safe environment for folks to want to come out to? I know it's going to be in October. I know it's going to be in LA. But you know, really answer some questions and let people feel good about that. Like, we're all excited to see each other in person, I think, except for the people that never liked seeing people in person. And then they had a good excuse, but now now they're going to be kind of forced to come out of hiding. But you know, we want to do it in a safe environment. We don't all feel good about it. But yeah, I'm super excited about that. Yeah, it's going to be, and Stephen, Stephen is always extremely fun on camera. So I don't know Jasmine or Constance personally. Yeah. Hmm. I have to assume that they're cool too, because they're associating with Stephen and also everybody. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, cool. I mean, we feel that, you know, Stephen's cool. Then Constance and Jasmine have to be cool because if they weren't cool, then Pop isn't, you know, maybe kind of cool, maybe he's not super cool. Then maybe it's just not the right vibe. So it's cool to have three cool people and then maybe Pop, maybe it's slightly less cool. Yeah, I mean, always assume cool first. Yeah. I try to, I try to assume cool first. Tim and I are both, are we cool? I don't know that I care if we're cool. So does that make us cool? It does. I think that's actually a key component of being cool. Somebody says we're cool. Pop is maybe cool. Pop is like, quantumly cool. It depends. It depends, okay. I hope you're both cool. I'm trying to be like you. Oh no, please don't. No, I mean, gosh, no, I wouldn't wish on anybody. Yeah, I got a CNCF famous off of the docker shim disaster. So I really, I wouldn't recommend repeating that process. If I had to think of one thing that I'm cool for, it's crying. That's like, that's, that's going to be like vulnerable with your emotions in public though. My partner is literally gonna, has said, she's going to start a thread on why is Tim crying today? Well, hopefully it's over something good and not over struggling with technology. I have definitely, rage cried over technology before. Got a question about your bass guitar. It is, it is a very cool bass crying and involuntary. Yeah, I do do involuntary yoga. My bass, yeah, that bass is, it's pretty cool. I've been playing for, what year is it? 2021. I've been playing bass for 36 years. 36 years, 36 years, yeah. Ooh. Geez. Are you gonna play your own like intros for your show? You have a show you should talk about too, by the way. I do have a show. My show is called Solid State. My show is not tech. So one thing, a decision that I made a while ago, you might say a while ago, right around the time of the murder of George Floyd, is that I'm done talking about tech. Like there's a lot of people talk about tech. There's a lot of people that are way smarter than me to talk about tech and I will leave that to them. I'm interested in people. I'm interested in how to help people and I'm interested in their stories. And that's what we're gonna talk about on Solid State. We're talking about people's stories and we're gonna see how they've been helped and how we can help others. That said, I'm not gonna play the bass intro on my thing because like Barney Miller, like just has did such a good job on a bass intro that I can't really, I can't really top that. It just be second, third, fourth, 36th best. And I'm just not into that. That's fair. I also know when I am not the best person for a particular job and it's better to, you know, step away, take a bow and let someone more qualified handle the situation. So, I feel you. Speaking of which, this is also a good time to remind folks, please, if you like what you're hearing, please smash that follow button, right? And if you don't like what you're hearing, smash that follow button anyways and then just kind of politely heckle us in the comments. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're really good at handling heckling because we're both extremely online. So, extremely online. So heckle away. If you have already smashed that follow button as somebody in the chat says they have, then, you know, perhaps hassle your friends and coworkers into smashing the follow button. And like and subscribe. Yeah, like everybody smashed the follow button, like just everybody. Well, if you re-smashed it, does it unsubscribe, don't do it. Don't do it twice. It's not like- Don't do it twice. Like it's like in mystery men, like with the gratuitous toggle flip, like don't do the second toggle flip because then you'll fry. Captain Amazing. Oh, yeah. And we don't want to get fried like- Oh, I lost a cat. Oh, is it her? Is it me? Mike malfunction. No, no. So while Kenneth's waiting to do that, it is my firm belief and I have just a ludicrous amount of anecdotal evidence that says that the best engineers are terrible at AV. We're the worst at AV. Can't do video conferences, can't like conference room, can't do a commerce call. We're just awful at it. So I feel like the better the engineer, the worse they are at AV. We will also blame this on pop later somehow. I'm not sure how we'll figure it out. We'll do an RCA and we'll make pop at fault. Still not there, cat. Oh, yeah, no, I like that. I like that Ellen said in chat, it's like if one's AV is too good, then they're code dot, dot, dot. And I'm like, you know, maybe that is the case. Maybe, you know, there is a proportional. Oh, I'm getting you a little bit. Ooh. There you are. Do I exist? I exist. Yes. Cool, cool. I actually don't like this microphone. It's very pretty, but it has- Oh, there it is. This is a very pretty microphone, but it has issues with like automatic, changing the gain, which is obnoxious. So heads up. If anybody has a HyperX Quadcast S and knows how to fix that, DM me, because I wanna love this mic, but I hate this mic. Yeah. Oh, by the way, someone asked what RCA is, is a root cause analysis. Now, Tim, do you believe that a root cause exists? I think that a root cause, there are rare cases when it does exist. And usually it's very, very easy to find. But in most cases, you have so many contributing factors, and that's what you're weighing, is which factor that you discover is going to make the most impact on whether something happens again, or how to affect changes that will prevent that, you know, whether it's the outage, whether it's a bug or whatever from happening again. So, you know, it's funny because I've actually given long, long, till illiquids on this in customer meetings, but in the end, when you do a root cause analysis, just you have to know that it is never just one cause. There's a human cause, there's organizational cause, there's procedural cause, process cause, cultural causes, all these things can weigh in. And then, so it's usually gonna be a series of things you have to do to fix something, not just one thing. Is that better? Did I fix it? Crash loop back off. Oh, yeah. My mic is definitely on crash loop back off. Yeah. Yeah, that's for sure what's happening. I have another microphone, but it requires an XLR cable, and I don't have it set up yet. Yeah, I like the subtle flex. Let me go ahead. So my base is that way. It's my rock climbing arms. I don't actually lift weights or exercise in any way. It's just rock climbing. It turns out if you just do that, like four days a week for like years, you get jacked. And that's- My arms come some from lifting, but mostly from lifting people, so. Ooh. But I also have the Jiu-Jitsu tan as you see. Don't worry, summer's coming, I'll get dark again. Oh, speaking of people, we should talk about Matty's show, even though it doesn't start this week, because it's cool. Tell me about Matty's show. Matty is hosting yet another game show. You may know Matt Stratton from DevOps Party Games or from Arrested DevOps podcast, but Matt is going to be hosting a like tournament style game show with a CNCF projects competing. I think we're doing eight teams at first, but it's going to be called CNCF face-off. And everything Matt does is so incredibly over the top. Like it's always very funny and technical at the same time. So it's not going to be like dry technical content. People are still going to be talking about technology. It's just going to be in the form of jokes. And I don't think you can make a good joke about a technology unless you actually understand it super well, otherwise, you know, it just doesn't really land. That's why there are no Bitcoin jokes. Ooh, nice. Tim, you've been on DevOps Party Games several times, right? I have been, yeah, yeah. Matter of fact, I think you and I are like toward the top leaderboard. Did you have to retire from the leaderboard? I have retired. Yes. Because it wasn't fun for people anymore. I must give everyone else a chance. Here, you may have it. Yeah, I'm, you know, a considerate overlord. Yeah, we are one and two overall. So we are, so in DevOps Party Games there is an overall thought leaderboard comprised of people's scores over the course of, I think three seasons now. I think we're on three seasons. And somehow I am number one still and Tim is number two. Tim has not retired though. So Tim absolutely can overtake me overall, but I'm retired. I am a thought leader emeritus emeritus. Emeritus. I like that word from reading, so I don't know how to pronounce it. But CNCF Face Off will be similarly fun. If you have never watched DevOps Party Games, watch that too, but CNCF Face Off is also going to be extremely fun. It's going to be very different though, because it is a tournament style bracketed thing with teams, not a Jackbox game deal. But I'm really looking forward to that one quite a bit. Hey, Tim, do you have any of the CNCF certifications? I have exactly zero certifications. Well, I take that back. I am a Sun certified system administrator and I have an MCSC from NT 4.0 days. Wow. I have zero certs as well, which is, we should get the CQA. Yeah, we should do that. I just remembered I got some AWS certs, but I don't count those. Good news for us not having any certs, they're redoing the exams and training material right now. So we'll get the shiny new good stuff, which is going to be rad, because there's like four of them, I think. Okay, nice. Four or five. Do we get access to a special lounge at KubeCon if we get our certs? Oh, I think we should. We know the people we can run crying to, there should be a VIP lounge for people with certs. For being honest, I don't need much of an excuse to cry, so. I mean, look, I cannot make it through one episode of Sailor Moon without crying, like not even one, I just, it takes so little, I will just cry at the drop of a hat. That's a question I want to ask with a larger audience. Do you comment on here, you can comment online. I don't know what hashtag you're going to do, like CNCF cries or something like that. What is the show or movie that you will cry at every time, instantly, without a doubt? And for me, I've got several, obviously it's easy for me to do it, and my partner's super into sad foreign movies. So that's part of it too, but for me, I will always cry when Goose dies. When Goose dies, I'm a wreck, I'm a wreck. I'm absolutely like, I'm snot tears everywhere like that, sobbing, right, when Goose dies. Doesn't matter how many times I've seen it. Yeah, I can't blame you. I can't make it through Mulan Rouge without ugly crying and like that one just doesn't to me, but we have technical questions we should answer. Why should someone wait for the new CKA to come out? I don't think you necessarily like hard should, should. It's just that. What's CKA? Ooh, CKA stands for Certified Kubernetes Administrator. And it's the first CNCF cert you should get, usually. I think it's a prerequisite for the security one. Isn't it? It's a prerequisite for one of them. It is. Yeah. We'll go into that next week. Yes, Siam is gonna have a show next week about the certs, which is how I got into this. But then we kind of went off on a tangent, which is typical for both of us, but Siam is gonna be going over some questions about the various certifications. That show will be next week. It's called Certs Magic. Nice. And that's also gonna be very helpful for me personally, because, again, I don't have any of these. Tim doesn't have any of these. And I don't know about Tim, but I have done zero studying. I have done exactly zero studying also. So there we are. We'll be brand fresh, newbie news, and we'll be able to go along with every kind of call. Ellen Korb, I'm fucking love Ellen. Ellen is so cool. She really is. Just rad. We love you, Ellen. We do. We'll have to get you on one of our shows at some point. Dibs. You have dibs? Well, I mean, I guess that's fair, because Ellen is, Ellen, are you a maintainer of any sandbox projects? Oh, okay. Someone asked, Rock goes away. Someone asked me earlier if I was a professional cheerleader, the answer is no. I am a Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioner, and I don't like to be put in guard so I will deadlift people from the ground. From the ground? From the ground. So there's videos on the internet. If you haven't seen them, I'll post them back up. But yeah, I deadlift people. You two mentioned certification content is being updated. Is this regarding CKA? I will dig back. And if you just DM me on Twitter, I will dig back through the archives and find out what specifically is changing and let you know. And just so you know. Simulator now. Here, let me grab the link. And that's what changed. Yeah, sorry. I do want to take a minute to, first of all, thank everyone who is hopping in the chat. This is an interactive show to some extent. So if you pop some in the chat, we are going to talk about it. Yeah, that's true. So this is what's changed. We have a simulator coming out for the Kubernetes certification exams. So instead of just going through the training and studying and then trying the exam, you can now take an exam simulator, which that's, yeah. Ellen's. Super stoked. Yeah. I like that too, because I know for me like an ADHD and anxiety together, which is a real treat for me when it comes taking time for tests. So that's going to help, you know, work some of those nerves out. So thank you. Yeah, for sure. I have like pretty extreme test anxiety. It doesn't matter like how well I know the material. If I haven't, if I don't know what the exam might look like, everything I know just like falls straight out of my brain every time. So, and Magno, you asked me to tell how BJJ helped me in my career. I got to say that's going to be, that's a long answer. So I promise you I will cover that on Solid State and just tune in and we'll go over that. So, Tim, who's your first guest for Solid State? Do you know yet? I don't know yet. I've got some folks lined up. It's some personal favors and we're working on scheduling. I can tell you that one of the shows will be me, right? Because, you know, I have a good story, believe it or not. But we're going to line up some other folks. It's primarily going to be folks who are people of color, LGBTQ, neurodivergent, anything like that. People that have, you know, different educational backgrounds and things like that. So, but yeah, we're working on confirming the first guest. Brad. Well, I'm excited. I'm looking forward to it. What day is it next week? It is next Monday. Next Monday. Ooh. Okay. I don't have anything to do next Monday because I'm fun employed. So I'll be watching. And if you don't hack, if you don't hack on me in the chat, I'm going to be very upset with you, Cat Cosgrove. I will always heckle you in the chat. I'm there for you. I'm there to heckle you. A reminder for the people watching, please like and subscribe. Hit the follow button. Hit the follow button. Turn notifications on. There's a little, little bell in the upper right hand corner for turning on notifications. So you get an email or if you have Twitch installed on your phone, you'll get a push notification whenever we go live so that you don't miss any of the cool stuff we have mentioned so far. Do we have any more shows to cover? Let's see. I think we covered everybody for this week and a couple for next. Yeah. Looks like we did. Oh, no. One more. One more. Cloud Native Latinx. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, please. Yeah. So finally, the CNCF is branching out a bit outside of mostly English speaking for content. So this is Cloud Native Latin America and it's going to be hosted by Leonardo who y'all might, you should probably know Leonardo. But that one is, where's the schedule? That's going to be, I've got that started for show Tuesday the 15th. Yeah. Yeah, that's Tuesday the 15th. So let me read his description of what this is because, wow, he wrote like, he got in there with this description. Good for him. The pitch. Cloud Native Latinx tells the story of Latinx. How do you pronounce that when you were reading it? Latinx is? Yeah, we'll go with that. Latinx is that have succeeded in the world of cloud native technology and open source. We talk about their origins and professional trajectory and focus on being a source of advice and inspiration for all to realize their potential, rise up in the industry and support their local communities. Doing it for real world advice on how to advance your career in the world of cloud native and demonstrate to the world the power and pride of our Latin community. We are super excited to have him too. That is super. Ellen is typing Portuguese in the chat. I'll just, here, here we go. We'll give Ellen some attention. But that is a, does the simulator also simulate me having access to a room that fits the requirements where I can take the exam? Regrettably, no, we're not there yet from a technological standpoint. And I don't think, and we can't provide VR headsets for everyone though, that would be cool. So we've given you a quick overview of every show we have coming up over the next two weeks as well as a significant quantity of banter, cloud native carnival show submission. That's, yeah, that's what the dunking, the dunk tank is for and the like giant cartoon yoink. Yeah, remember Dan early in the show when you said anything we want? Yeah, that's what we want. I'm sorry, but yeah. You told us we could do it. You did. So I hate it for you, buddy, but you know, write me a check. If you want to submit a show, I'm on the show. Are you talking to us? I think he's talking to the population, Lauren. So yeah, if you want to submit a show, the instructions for submitting a show are in our shiny new GitHub repo, which is now public for all of y'all to look at and see what we have going on. Do we have a vehicle for folks to submit guest ideas to the show? We don't have one globally, but I will probably set up one specifically for my show, probably just a Google form or something. Yeah, at us on Twitter. Yeah, at us on Twitter. Are we being made fun of for saying all y'all? Who's, I know y'all ain't coming after me for all y'all. Y'all better not be. Man, y'all don't lost your mind. Bless his heart. Bless his heart. Sweet summer child. The cloud native pirates. What's the cloud native pirates? I don't know. That's a good one, cloud native pirates. Smiling, not making fun. Okay. Okay, fair. Good, good. Cause I was going to accuse you of putting sugar in grits. That ain't right. I don't tolerate that. I put cheese, butter, and a ton of black pepper in my grits. I don't even really. Oh man, he does put sugar in grits. Come on. Oh, why? Remember, we don't have hate speech here, right? I will not take, I will not see this talk of grits being denigrated like that. But Tim, do you prefer your cornbread, sweet or savory? I, you know, I was a very diehard savory cornbread person, but I put a couple of people have made some very good culinary cases for sweet cornbread. That said, sweet cornbread is something that is enjoyed alone and not with anything else. Yeah, I'm team savory as well. I have been known to put honey on cornbread, but typically I just put butter on it. I also like to mix in like bits of jalapeno and then fry it. So the real one, like for real, for when I'm being like indulgent, bacon fat. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, every time. Oh, yeah. What he asked, what are grits? It's a hominy, ground hominy. Yeah, it's kind of, it's kind of like polenta. I guess the like the closest thing I can think of. Yeah, yeah. You're right. No, you're right. You're right. It is like, it's not the same. No, it's a different, it's a different texture when you eat it. Yeah, like they're both made out of ground corn, but it's polenta is just regular dry corn and grits are hominy corn. Yeah. And so, but yeah, polenta, both savory. You can, you can season them similarly. I have used grits and substitution for polenta and restaurants I've worked at. Oh gosh, Ellen, I was, I loved you until this very moment. And now I'm just it stands out. Corn porridge. Oh, like corn porridge. Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it is technically, I think it is a corn porridge, right? I'm hurt, like I'm so hurt by pineapple on grits. Ellen, I'm going to send you my Venmo for my therapy bill after this. Yeah, you owe, you owe 10 money for that one. And, you know, I'll be, I'll be okay. I'll make it, but yeah, pineapple. Oh, maybe. No, no, no, no. No, and I like pineapple on pizza. I do, I'm sorry, I do. But well, I like pineapple on pizza if there's jalapenos and pepperoni on there as well. I will accept payment Ellen in specially crafted snacks. I can be bought with food. The, I have, I've said this before and I'll say this again, the list of things that I would do for banana bread or pumpkin bars is embarrassingly short. The list of things I would not do. A lot of things are in play. Lemon bars for me. I'm a lemon, I like lemon bars. I don't love lemon bars, right? And I don't care if you were expecting tech when you came to the show, clearly you have not followed me in cataclysm of it all. That's true. We can't, we cannot stay on topic. We absolutely will just like veer off into the wilds. So but have banana bread, have we ever eaten grilled? I have eaten grilled pineapple. I've never put ground cinnamon on it. Let me think about that. Let me think about it. Yeah, it's good. It's good. I like grilled peaches more than grilled pineapple. Yeah. A grilled peach with like some just plain yogurt, some or somic. Were you? So, so L. Armageddon had me thinking about grapefruit because they're fantastic and they're amazing. And they mentioned how much they love grapefruit. And one of the things I love to do in the summer is to grill grapefruit. Just split it right in half and put it right down the thing with a little, you know, because, you know, with Texas and half Mexican, I'll put that gene on it. But sometimes just a little bit of salt, just a little. Oh, salt is the best thing to be putting on great. Like sugar can just like go home, salt is what belongs on grapefruit and on watermelon and on cantaloupe. I am me and salt and watermelon. And people who have never had salt on watermelon like, hold the watermelon, are you crazy? But no, salt, yes, salt on watermelon. There is a video that I will not link because it is not work appropriate. It contains words that white people should never say. But there was a former, there's a civil rights activist whose name is P.D. Green who used to have a cable access, you know, public access cable TV show. In the 70s and he had a whole episode on salt and watermelon. So if you go and Google P.D. Green, salt and watermelon, you're gonna get this show and it is, I am under, I'm like inconsolable. I am laughing so hard and I love it. So but yeah, now don't put too much. You can't use iodized salt on anything. It really should be used at all. Sea salt, sea salt. Sea salt, big flaky sea salt crystals on watermelon is amazing. You can also put chili powder, chili salt on mango. The chili salt, the chamoy is what we call it. The chamoy and mango is, it's the best paleta. I'll die on that hill. I'm willing to die on that hill with you. So, you know, we die together, Tim. I couldn't think of anybody else. I'm bougie though. So I have, I have two salts, two like regular salts and then an array of season salts. My cat's climbed up into my lap. Mine is meowing under the dorm. I think that's his little paw right there, right there somewhere. I have two like regular unflavored salts, coarse like kosher sea salt for cooking. And then I have malden salt just for putting on stuff. And malden salt is so expensive. It's these huge fat triangular crystals but that salt that you wanna be putting on like fruit and stuff, because it's so salty and you really don't need much of it at all. I know espresso, it's... So I think it's interesting, like we talk about tech and maybe I'm gonna pitch my own stuff or whatever like that. So if you ever cook professionally and have then gotten into tech, like we should talk because it's one of the things that we talked about like salt, we talked about flavors, we talked about their profiles. But one of the things that I think really applies is how we use simple ingredients to make something wonderful, right? It's a grapefruit and salt, right? But it's amazing when you transform it. It's no different than using something very simple and uncomplicated and unassuming like JavaScript. Anybody who can, I'm just saying that because I'm terrible at JavaScript. But using that to create something wonderful, like that's what we do, we take words and we turn them into code. And then we take code and we turn it into applications and we take applications and we turn them into money, right? But in the end, we're all still just banging at ones and zeros on keyboards. And I think it's kind of amazing when we all look at the things that we have in common, looking at things that bring us together, it's that. We make things out of simple ingredients. Yeah, we just wanna make stuff and be able to pay our bills. Yeah, really I'm here for the money. Yeah, I'm 100% here for them. Every time that discourse comes up on tech Twitter, why are you and why did you get into tech for the money? Yeah, no. And I will make the statement again. Anybody who says they're not in tech for the money, you can feel free to venerate me in your paycheck. Yeah, it's, we wanna believe that we're here for lofty, righteous reasons. But like, I love what I do. I really do, but straight up, also the money, it's... Lofty, righteous reasons. That fan is incredible. I love it so much, and you. I love you too, Kat. And so does Espresso. She's drooling now though, which is gross. But she gets very excited. Is it a typo of the German word, schade? What does that mean, Ellen? I don't even know what a schade mean in German. Yeah. It is not a typo. It is not. But I don't know what schade, schade, is it schade or schade? Schade? Yeah, because schade is S-A-T-E. Oh, it means pity. No, you're not pitying anybody. You may pity the fool in that way, but it's still different than shade. Yeah, shade is your passing judgment. Casting aspersions. But you're casting aspersions in a way that you can't, it's like slips right between the ribs. Yeah. It's so subtle. If you say it properly. It's southern. It's very underhanded. So I know Espresso. She's very dramatic. But we are coming up on time. Is there anything else anybody wants to ask us about cloud native TV or about computers or about what goes on fruit? AMA, y'all. Yeah. Got anything for it? Oh, by the way, so I also, too, I want to take my, thanks to Pop for getting all this and putting all this together. If you were appreciating what you see here, everyone chipping in and get like Pop a Mets hat because he's a Mets fan, I think, right? He's Mets. Yeah, Mets. Mets and Nicks, Mets and Nicks, yeah. But yeah, get Pop all the Mets stuff you can, absolutely like hats, jerseys, stickers, everything like that. He loves that and he wants more of that. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Signed baseball bats. J2, J Gordon loves the Mets. Yeah, J loves the Mets so much, like more than anything else. And really I appreciate about that about them. So yeah, J Gordon and Pop, get them all the Mets stuff you can. We love them, we want them to feel loved. Yep, all of those, that was all true. That was all true. When should we have a KubeCon Latin America? Yeah, that's shade. So I don't know when a KubeCon Latin America is happening. I would love to see that happen ASAP, but regrettably neither I nor Tim is in control of that. You know when I would ask that question? Friday? Yeah, that's a question to ask Friday because Stephen, Constance, and Jasmine will have more answers if they are allowed to answer. I'll put it like this, I'll put it like this. If we have a KubeCon Latin America, I will go. Me too. I'll be glad to do a talk in Spanish or Portuguese. But I will only do a talk in Portuguese because my Portuguese isn't that great, so I'd have to definitely read it, but yeah. Yes, Ellen, I think there is a community day, but there's not a whole KubeCon. Sorry, I say KubeCon instead of KubeCon. It's not KubeCon? It's, I think technically it's KubeCon because it's Kubernetes, but I say KubeCon. KubeCTL or a KubeCTL or a KubeCuttle or a KubeCuttle. I say KubeCTL or a KubeControl. I say KubeCTL. I pronounce the letters at the end. Yeah, it's usually, if I'm teaching somebody, which is usually what I'm doing when I'm talking about Kubernetes, I say KubeCTL and just pronounce the whole thing out because I'm talking to students and they don't know our jargon. KubeCon, it is now KubeCon. KubeCon, KubeCon. Like KubeCon, but different. Even Espresso has something to say about that one. Oh my God, she's being very dramatic right now, which is typical. Anyway, does anybody else have a question for us left before we wrap this up, close it out? Thank you for following and we'll see you. On the schedule, anybody? Hey, Kat, as always, it's been a pleasure. You know what? It's always a pleasure working with you and one day we'll meet in person. I know, Kat, so Kat and I never met in person. Like all the candle we have is all from Twitter, Discord and like streams. Yeah, that's it. Just never actually met. You know what I'm gonna do when I meet Kat? Yes, guess what I'm gonna do? That's okay. I will probably also cry. The first time somebody hugged me after, you know, more than a year of being isolated, I cried immediately. Like somebody other than my husband touched me and I cried. So it's, you know. You know, I gotta be honest, if someone other than your husband touched me, I'd cry too. Oh, people think we're cute. Oh. Thank you. You're cute. You're cute. Everybody's cute. Which is another thing I love about the CNCF community. Everybody is so like. Adorable. Everybody's so adorable. Like all the time. Everybody's so positive and uplifting. But. I was with you and then you started getting a little crazy there. A little bit crazy there. It's been a couple of days. It's been like a three days. But we'll talk about that later. Anyway, we are at time. We gotta wrap it up. Tim, do you have any last words? The only thing I wanna remind everybody is, hey, you know, take care of your folks. Remember that Juneteenth is coming up in a couple, not this weekend, but Father's Day weekend. So, you know, if you don't know about Juneteenth, check it out. We celebrate Juneteenth. Remember, don't put sugar in your grits. And yeah, man, everybody just take care of each other. True that. Definitely taking care of each other is not really a lot matters more than that. I am all. Thank you all for coming to watch us babble for an hour about the schedule and what we're trying to build here with CloudNative TV and controversial opinions about, yeah, salt on fruit. If you think that salt on fruit is controversial, I really, I cannot stress enough that you have to try it. Just please don't use iodized salt. Don't use the like shaker, tiny grains, stuff that doesn't, that's not, you should throw that away. You shouldn't have it. It is for the zombie apocalypse. It's an emergency situation. That's not something you should be cooking with on the regular, if you can avoid it. Keep you from getting scurvy, that's about it, I think. Hot take versions on Twitter. Tim and I's Twitter accounts are both all hot takes all the time. Hot takes should post in their straps. I think it's literally all we do, yeah. That's all we do. We never post anything else, but thank you everyone. It's been lovely. Tim, thank you for doing this with me. You are lovely. And as you are too. Thank you. Good night, everybody. Thank you.