 Pulled it to me for seven hundred dollars Which was a which was a lot but I had saved up and then She she wanted to charge me extra for the aftermarket Kensington was a Kensington Kensington stereo system There was a stereo system in there. Maybe it was Kensington. I can't like Alpine or Alpine. I think you're right I think it was Alpine she had Alpine speakers in there and she wanted to charge me extra I was like, no take them back. I don't want them. She's like fine. I'll leave them in there So when I traded it in, you know I made a big deal about the Alpine speakers and you know very politely that dealers like yeah I don't know that they're really gonna have that much to trade it listen this rust is in rust It's just the it's the Auburn primer coming. I think I got five hundred dollars in trade-in credit For the seven hundred dollar maverick that I bought and I've only had it for a few months at that point Bless the I've had I've driven into the ground Literally it's like wabber to the wheels I drove the Mustang until it was on its last legs I drove it for around I Don't know. I think it was 96 when I finally got rid of it That's a long time. Yeah sold it to a guy in Austin and I bought a Saturn. Oh and I had a Saturn in Austin for a couple years then I got real Really poor and sold the Saturn and didn't have a car until I married Eileen. Nice So things really took off with the Saturn, but he came back to earth when he sold it Saturn is this a gateway drug to the to the What's the other one someone you have now? Prius. Yeah, the Prius. I always felt like Saturn's were like well I had I had a Saturn stick shift Saturn in Austin And then I sold it like a 98 didn't have a car until 2002 so I guess Eileen and I weren't married yet But we bought a car because she only had she had a Toyota Corona an 80 81 Corona and we wanted if we bought a brand new Saturn again So I went from owning a Saturn to not owning a car to owning a Saturn Then the Corona's axle broke in the tech TV parking lot So we got that's when we got I Guess we just dealt with a single car for a while with the Saturn And then I was working at CNET by the time we bought the Prius Did she ever say the words need to sell my Corona? Did that ever happen? I did no I said that a lot and she shook her head and was like That's too bad So then that Prius that I bought when I worked at CNET in 2004 is The Prius I drive today We had another Prius that I drove for a while to Petaluma when I was working at twit But we traded that one in 2015 for the Audi that Eileen drives now. Gotcha. There's my entire car history. There you go. Pretty good All right. You guys ready to do a show? Yeah, man Am I yeah, let me get the right again All right, I will count you in mr. Mr. Johnson. All right. There we go Tell me when you're ready. Well, I'm almost ready Here we go. All right go now three two Jocelyn Motha to supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Jocelyn Become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday March 20th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt in Salt Lake City I'm Scott Johnson And I'm the shows producer Roger Cheng Sarah Lane unavoidably detained at the vet today for her cat, but hopefully things will go well and she will be back tomorrow We are gonna talk quite a bit about some GDC news of various types Including a little deeper dive into the epic games announcement from earlier today But let's start with a few tech things you should know Norwegian manufacturer Hydro was largely operating on a manual basis Wednesday after a cyber attack that started Monday The attack began in US offices of Hydra and then spread to the plants in Norway on Tuesday ransomware known as locker goga locked up systems Hydro said it had no plans to pay a ransom and believed it could back everything up from or bring everything back online from backups Hydro turns aluminum ingots into components for car makers builders and other industries just to stave off any controversial emails Hydro not Hydra. We know it's not the secretive Hydro Disney now owns most of 21st century Fox. Oh, yes, that's right. This is finally happening closing the deal at 1202 a.m. Eastern. This is on Wednesday or today a new company called Fox corporation spun out Tuesday with Fox news Fox broadcast Channels and the national channels of Fox Sports that all stayed Not part of this that was always the deal the regional Fox Sports Network must be sold by Disney in 90 days But it's done fine. Yeah Fantastic for now part. Yeah, Apple continued its hardware announcements this week with an updated set of Apple AirPods The new AirPods look like the previous generation. There's no design changes But they include the new H1 chip which can support Siri activation by voice currently AirPods require a tap to activate Siri Apple also claims 50% more talk time and faster switching between Bluetooth devices There's also a new charging case available for either the old or the new model of AirPods that works with any Chi wireless charger So you just drop the AirPods on the charger and they start working the new AirPods cost a hundred fifty nine bucks If you want the wireless charging case It's a hundred ninety nine bucks and if you've got the old AirPods and you just want the wireless charging case that'll run Yeah, 80 bucks. I think I'm getting that case Kaspersk, I never say this right Kaspersky lab has filed an anti-trust complaint with a Russian federal anti-monopoly service Kaspersky notes that after Apple launched its own screen time function it notified Kaspersky Kaspersky That it safe kids app violated app store policies by using configuration profiles to monitor kids usage of iOS devices Kaspersky noted that Apple's cracked down on other screen time applications at the same time Uber Freight is an Uber owned unit that helps connect truck drivers with shipping companies And it's launching its app in the Netherlands Wednesday more European countries are planned later this year Previously Uber Freight only operated here in the United States Uber Freight right now in the US has about 30,000 active users All right, let's talk a little bit more about Microsoft's reaction to Google Stadia Thorot.com's Brad Sam's who I am constantly in awe of his ability to get these stories He is the Mark Gurman of Microsoft stuff Published a memo from Microsoft's head of gaming Phil Spencer Phil Spencer told his employees regarding Google Stadia Google went big today, and we have a couple of months until e3 when we will go big And obviously he's referring to xCloud Microsoft just demonstrated xCloud game streaming service The last week week before and is expected to announce more about that at e3 and that's that's pretty much what this memo means so Scott this gives us a chance to get your reaction to Google Stadia first of all that came out yesterday and also Where the the Microsoft reaction fits into this whole thing as as Streaming game services of one flavor or another seem to be the new wave Well, the Stadia announcement is real skin in the game as you guys discussed yesterday It is quite literally the announcement of a brand new platform. There's no service yet They didn't really get that detail, but they announced a platform yesterday that is pretty Significant if they can deliver on everything they talked about on that stage. It was impressive Kind of across the board and having had some experience with their test in Chrome when they were running Assassin's Creed Odyssey on there I can say that even that tiny taste left me wanting more I was extremely blown away and impressed by that and I've used a lot of these services that claim relatively seamless sort of lag-free Experiences and that was definitely the best I'd seen running on my browser on a MacBook of all places so It was them laying down the gauntlet and saying yep We're in this thing and it is given their access to what infrastructure they have and given the breadth of of What Google is capable of? This is a major announcement and cannot be ignored by the other big players Microsoft has already been hard at work on this direction. We already kind of knew that The only thing we really didn't know is what was Google's play gonna be and now we know at least You know a big thrust of it We know what it is and it's now on Microsoft who has arguably the best chance to compete against that level of architecture that level of size and readiness They the big spotlight on them come June when we get E3 because they're gonna have to get up there and say All right, that's great and all but here's what we're doing and really blow our minds. They've been working Pretty tirelessly on kind of a rebuilding of Microsoft games what that looks like over there what Xbox looks like and Hopefully all of that translates into something this summer anyway that we can look at and go Okay, now we know what their answer will be or a better yet We as consumers might have a better idea of what the competition is and why we would want one over the other It's gonna be really really exciting and interesting and I actually now think Whether we know it or not the next two platform leaders of the next Generation if you want to call it that possibly the last generation We'll probably be Microsoft and Google I don't think Sony has what they need to do this They have a service now and they can claim that now things. Oh, we got the streaming service now everybody But it's just their own games. It's not as wide-reaching They don't have the the reach certainly that Google has and and Microsoft prepared to offer something maybe similar So really intense feelings for a lot of us about what happened yesterday was a big deal Yeah, and I feel like Microsoft has an advantage here because Google has infrastructure, right? They're good with delivering data around the world And they they have to be pretty latency sensitive and delivering that data and with services like YouTube and even some of their Enterprise services Sony great at games making games getting you to love games They're the leader in getting you to want to buy their console because you want to play their games Microsoft pretty good at that not as good this last time around as Sony arguably pretty good at that Microsoft also Operates Microsoft Azure which is really good infrastructure So they're competitive in both of the things you need to make a successful gaming service So I'm very curious what they're going to announce at E3. Yeah me too and I also if What Google plans to do at E3 either in response or in tandem or whatever they're going to do Sony's response is going to be my most interested think here because they don't have a response right now They kind of are left in a like oh crap We are king of the of the way things are done right now But the way they're going to be done this put makes them at least seem very behind So maybe they team with Amazon and get the infrastructure. They need Amazon to show any signs of doing this themselves and never say Never rumors out there that Amazon is looking into this too But yeah, maybe it is in partnership with somebody like Sony and then there's Nintendo Which is just a whole other they never do what everybody else is doing anyway So it's hard to tell how this impacts them Oh, we're actually gonna have Trisha Hershberger on the show on Friday to kind of do a GDC recap After all of this settles out. So I'm sure we'll be talking more about this then guaranteed Well, Oculus VR announced something new so get excited VR enthusiasts the new Oculus Rift s built-in partnership with Lenovo Has a 1280 by 1440 resolution per eye Not bad not the high-end but not bad the 80 Hertz refresh rate down from 90 to maintain PC compatibility And they raised the resolution but they lowered the refresh rate so that they didn't have to make everybody buy a new PC Yeah, the ding here. Well, I don't know refresh rate is everything with VR at least in my mind because that's right The higher it is the better it is, but I guess we'll see anyway This also includes path pass through plus rather which shows you your surroundings and a built-in tracking system called Oculus insight forthcoming standalone Oculus headset will have the same tracking system, but We'll have a more comfortable psvr style strap, which To say you you dropped a word there the Oculus quest well the quest are That way it went in my head, but didn't come out of my mouth. The quest is actually the one VR Update or the one piece of your equipment that I'm most excited about right now Actually, what they've shown of that seems really great, but both have a more comfortable strap So use is going to be easier that way both the Rift s and the Oculus quest will cost 399 and ship this spring Facebook f8 developer conference is scheduled for April 30th. You can count on some of that being shown there Yeah, I think it's interesting that they're pricing them the same basically saying Do you want a little bit more power but be tethered or you a little more like console casual game? Or sit on your couch. Yeah, and you don't want to be tethered get you get the quest. Yeah 399 either way The European Union to find Google 1.49 billion euros Wednesday It's about 1.7 billion dollars for blocking rival online search advertisers Google was accused of restricting publishers from placing advertisements from competing ad services on the publishers Search results page so they were saying you can run ad sense and you can run ad sense in your in your Publications search engine, but if you do we're not going to let you run ads from competing advertisers the you said not okay Google says it's going to boost price comparison rivals. It will drop those restrictions and in response to another Anti-trust case the one they paid five billion euros As a fine the one about tying chrome to Android Google says it will now prompt European Android users to choose a browser and default search engine Rather than just defaulting to chrome and Google Google had already stopped requiring chrome and search apps to be installed along with the Google Play Store though It now charges manufacturers a licensing fee for the store with or without search and chrome If you keep a track Google has now been fined three times in the EU. There were three major anti-trust Cases they've been fined in all three cases the biggest one being Android The second largest were fines for ad sense and Android I'm sorry the second largest were fines for using its own search engine to direct people to Google shopping Versus allowing other shopping platforms to be up there at the top And the the third the smallest of the finest this one that we heard about today 1.49 billion euros. Hmm. Do you think? This is a very cynical view, but it feels like the EU might be funding its entire Fiscal platform on just making sure that Google has regular a fees being Easy to say that because a billion euros is a lot to you Yeah, honestly not that much for Google and it's it's more for the European Union than it is for Google But I'm sure it's it's a drop in the bucket of the the total European Union's budget And expenditures. It's certainly I don't want to say it's not a revenue maker for the European Union But that's not why they're doing it The reason they're doing it is as Margaret vestiger and and and the others Think that the Google is being unfair to European companies and they they want to level the playing field It's it's about making things more fair for endemic companies in Europe I think yeah, there is a scenario though in my head of maybe a comic you'll have to draw it or something But Microsoft windows is just winking off in the corner going see what it's like to be the dominant operating system Are there on the handheld across the world? Well, isn't that interesting too, right? There's no Microsoft's requirement to offer a browser choice window and windows ended in 2014 Yeah, and it hasn't come back. No, nobody's but an edge on their computers. Well, they're not there Without the browser choice thing in Europe. You still don't have Microsoft dominating So, I mean you make the argument that oh that it worked It leveled the playoff playing field and now we don't need that measure anymore And I suppose maybe you can make same argument with Android. We'll see yeah The US Supreme Court throughout a decision by a lower court upholding a settlement where Google paid a class action group 8.5 million over a privacy dispute the class argued Google violated federal privacy law by allowing websites to see users search Queries the Supreme Court directed the lower court to evaluate whether the class had been harmed by Google and therefore Determined it had legal standing to sue This is this is a little bit of a wonky story But it but it's important because it is the US Supreme Court saying No, look at this closer You can't just sue somebody because they're doing something that violates your privacy You have to show that violating your privacy harmed you in some way there is and essentially what the Supreme Court is saying is There is no absolute right to privacy. It's okay to violate your privacy if nobody gets hurt And they're saying that the lower court didn't adequately demonstrate That Google allowing other websites to see the search queries in any way cause damage to the class It doesn't mean that the class won't prevail But it does mean they now have to prove that harm Which is which is a higher burden to prove then then just being able to show that the privacy was violated at all Right. I mean, I'm completely out of my lane when I talk about any of this sort of stuff But I will say Not because Sarah Lane's down here. Not that kind of lane Lane on a highway is what I mean Anyway, I feel like This is like exactly the opposite thing that might happen in the EU cases like them saying it's not Built-in harmful to have your privacy violated It feels like the EU is way harder on that point To say well, it doesn't matter your bias your your privacy is violated by its very nature. That's that's a form of harm That's just an interesting difference to me Well, it's a legislative versus a judicial one, right? What the EU did was said we are going to make a law called the GDPR that says violating privacy is bad And you can't do it and if you do it will find you What the court here is saying is there is no such law in the united states And under the laws that we have you have to show harm You can't just show a privacy violation until such time as congress decides to pass a law that says violating privacy in any respect Or in these respects in particular Is against the law Sorry for the civics lesson. No, I know to be sorry. I love this stuff. This is one of my favorite Let's finish up our top stories with getting back into some gdc stuff lucas film Luke lucas film games recently Yeah, you heard me right lucas filled games recently posted job listings for producers and marketers in A division called lucas film games again Now the positions would oversee development of games based on lucas film ip for consoles pc smartphones and ar and vr platforms This is not lucas arts lucas arts still exists under disney as a licensor Of its games. It does not develop them anymore It does appear that disney maybe not hiring developers for this but hiring some people to manage third party developers for Creating games under the lucas film banner It's important to note here that ea still has the exclusive rights to star wars games until 2023 And honestly lucas film doesn't have a whole lot of other ip that isn't star wars Though ea has only released two games since it got the rights in 2013 So this may be a little long term positioning of disney to say, you know, we don't want to get stuck with this again Let's let's build some in-house management of this and not maybe not give somebody an exclusive But even if we do have a little more pressure from our side to make people do good games and do them regularly Yeah, there's a load of um In brief there's a lot of games lucas arts is responsible for from the 90s and beyond that they could Get reattached to do some new things with whether that's themselves or licensing it out right now It sounds like a licensing thing or at least a way to manage those ip so that they're not being squandered um and with ea Really blowing it lately with their with their uh licensed to make star wars games They've had at least two cancel cancelled large big profile games have been cancelled There's a couple we still don't know about but they also didn't do so great with battlefront 2 Um it kind of fizzled and I had a lot of controversy around it when it came to free to play stuff So at the end of all of this this does just feel like disney Saying well, let's just you know, let's just pat pat it up a little bit here Let's sandbag it up for the for the other stuff and for a few ideas We have who knows indiana jones could come back in a big way in video games That's a lucas games thing like there's possibilities here and they feel like they're I feel like they're hedging their bets And it's not really costing that much to do that so probably And and and there's some good questions kicking around in the chat room Uh, this is not necessarily like google having google play music and youtube music because there is no There is no equivalent position for lucas arts anymore. Uh, that's just managing licenses So this is actually going farther than what lucas arts does and also lucas film games isn't an oxymoron It's taking the lucas film properties and turning them into games. Yes That is something lucas arts did in the past but lucas arts isn't going to do that This is disney saying we don't want to get into game development again We don't want to own a video game company right now But we do want to have more of a hand In the games that are created based on the lucas film properties, right and arguably it's due in part because This ea thing hasn't worked out in their favor and perhaps they're just holding stuff a little closer to the chest Yeah Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day and spend less than five minutes doing it Keep up to date subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right, last thing we're going to talk about today is epic Not only having a press conference today, but ceo tim sweeney making the rounds Given interviews to a bunch of outlets and talking about the epic game store And then some of the problems that valve is having with steam, etc Let's talk about the press conference first. Uh epic showed off ray tracing upgrades in unreal 4.22 Now in preview with full version due in two weeks if you've got one of those fancy new nvidia cards That is of interest to you. They also showed unreal 4.23 scheduled to go live in june, which has the chaos system Using physics to generate realism So they showed a lot of like massive destructible environments some cool rigid body dynamics They had a demo called rebirth that you can find and look at if you want to see unreal photo realism capabilities And then troll was a demo that showed off the new ray tracing power Epic launched a platform and engine agnostic sdk called epic online services to support large-scale matchmaking voice communications cloud storage sentiment analysis game analytics and a ticketing system And numbers wise fortnight has nearly 250 million registered players up from 200 million in december with 10.8 million concurrence Sweeney told our psychica half of fortnight players on pc have never used steam before So if you had any doubts that epic was dominating with fortnight, well Now you don't but but scott, what did you make of all of these uh demos and such? Well the demo for the new Features in the engine itself. This is the thing you always forget about epic lately. The epic news has always been Hey, epic They're the guys who run fortnight and are making a trillion dollars a minute And they're dominating the industry now on what are video game makers going to do? and then you have The epic a game store, which is this. Hey, why are they going to come in here and disrupt the market and make steam? rethink its position or at the very at the very least displace this market around a little bit Which somebody's sort of been waiting for someone else to do for a while steams had quite the dominance there and then they're this company who Is interested in running You know running This engine and this store sort of concurrently giving better deals to people who sign up for That sign on to have their games on their store and a better cut of them of the money Like they're they're pushing lots of boundaries here. They also benefit in this new uh Stadia world we potentially could live in and cloud gaming and xcloud and so on because You're still building games a lot of games are being built on an unreal an unreal engine and What google talked about the other day what i expect microsoft will talk about in a couple of months Only serves to bolster epic and their position even more as the creator of the most versatile and realistic engine in the in the world Because then that engine with as many teraflops as they're promising us will look amazing no matter what your connection And no matter how crappy your laptop is So there's a lot of like synergy already happening there and then they've got this dominance with fortnight They've got this this uh insurgents with the epic game store It's it's fun to look at this because as a long time unreal fan playing unreal back in the 90s playing in real tournament To my eyes bled in the late 90s early 2000s I have always loved epic as a company to see them in a this weird new position primarily on the shoulders of Well, two factors their incredible business engine Or the engine business rather and then fortnight Is crazy and it just means that they are right up in front like there's we can have these conversations about what the next generation looks like What microsoft or google are going to do? It's just odd seeing epic right up there in the middle of all that and you can't avoid them And they're there to stay and they're going to have a finger in all of this stuff So I realize i'm kind of all over the map here, but i'm excited Because that disruption and displacement they're doing with their store is good. They did talk about For example, they're going to have standards. Yeah, yeah Let me let's talk a little bit about some of the things that swiney said in interviews He said a lot about the epic game stores If you don't realize epic game store for pc. Let's developers keep 88 of the revenue There are about 85 million total players with epic game store installed He threw out some stats like deep silvers metro exodus Is selling two and a half times better in its first week as an epic game store exclusive Versus its predecessor metro last light did on steam It's doing one and a half times better on console. So, you know, it's even better on epic than it was on console And uh, they've got some new exclusives. That's not going to stop Despite devs keeping more of the sale price though, uh prices have not Gone cheaper on epic versus other outlets and swiney told ours technica He thinks that the price of games on the store will drop as developers get used to the new revenue share And realize they can sell more copies at a lower price and not lose money And it can take some of that extra money that they're getting at 88 percent instead of 70 percent and reinvested in the games Then there's the matter of what gets allowed in and scott just mentioned this steam has been courting controversy by saying They would allow anything legal in the store unless it was straight up trolling Uh swiney sees things differently. He told the verge epic respects developers complete creative freedom to develop anything with its tools On the engine He's like you're using our engine you can do whatever you want as long as you're not breaking the law But on the store epic prioritizes high quality experiences. He told the verge We're not going to accept pornographic or shock content of any kind. We're not in the porn business here PC is an open platform. Those devs can reach gamers in other ways if they want So epic's going to open up the store to submissions from all partners later this year, but it's still going to apply A high quality standard to which games it allows in the store 100 percent Tim sweet team Tim Sweeney on this I wish this was the voice that steam would find if valve would find this particular voice that would be great And this isn't me going. Oh, yes. We need to I'm not trying to be a prudish standard bear or anything Uh, I just think his knowledge of it's an open platform. They can find their other ways It's no such thing as censorship here. This isn't a government issue. This isn't any of those things If you're going to make a game called rape day We're not going to let it be on our platform because we have standards and then we as gamers can go There are the standards I now make my buying decisions based on if I like those standards or not And that is all I wanted to hear from these guys and I and it really bumped my Excitement about what epic is doing a few notches because up till now it's been a little boring over there to be honest There's some games. There's some exclusives, but you know, it's slow going out of the gate They're not going to be nearly the steam library that I have now Right off right off, but it's enough for me to hear this to go. Okay. I think I'm I think I'm in supporting this idea And moving forward with it and vow was just so Crappy about their response a couple of weeks ago in my opinion That this just seemed like a breath of fresh air and then put on top of that one of the coolest engine demos I've seen in years And it's just got me all excited about epic right now Yeah, it's steam steam sometimes has a little mission creep where they think of themselves as the platform Not just the store on the platform and that shows with steam box and and wanting to to make games that that work Cross-platform on linux, etc. Which isn't a bad thing But epic saying we're not we're we're not the platform We are just a store and we will decide what we stock in our store Yeah, one one thing I wanted to throw out there as you said earlier The lot of people haven't even used steam and they're using the store now and they use fortnight Never even touched steam before that cannot be discounted. There is a legion of young game fans This was their gateway and this is now where they're at and this is kind of where they'll stay and I think that is a massive shift Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and join our facebook group at facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show a couple emails before we go norm said Hey, tom kudos on the interview you did with jack conti if anyone thought you'd softball him. They were wrong I'm glad that came across and you got your answer while still handling it very professionally now Let's hope they don't announce tomorrow. They're getting bought by paypal I hope I hope so too nor but if you didn't realize there is an interview That I did with jack conti about the patreon creator platform changes You can find that in your feed or at daily tech news show dot com I also got an email from sam who said he had some feedback about google stadia From the perspective of someone living in belgium Sam says patrick was saying that most of europe had internet without data caps But at least for belgium it's more complicated than that you can get a kind of unlimited internet here But it's pretty expensive for europe and it works with a fair use policy This policy basically still is a cap that limits you to lower bandwidth once you go over it as to the bandwidth requirements I think most people in belgium can reach those for this google stadia Although for some just barely for the vdsl provider 30 megabits per second is attainable for a large portion of the users And for the cable provider probably everybody should be able to get 30 megabits per second I hope this provided you with another european perspective I love the show and me and my girlfriend listen to it every morning when we're driving to work together Well, I hope you're having a lovely drive sam and sam's girlfriend and thank you for writing in this was great and valuable perspective Yeah, I uh, there's a lot of talk. This is maybe the main talk i've heard about uh, stadia, which is uh Fodder for another episode since we don't have a lot of time, but I just want to say this I think that gaming has always been a great Pusher of boundaries. It's been able to go out there and say all right Push tech in this way just because we want to play better games and then that ends up being something rad We can use in other parts of society I think my prediction these cloud basic gaming services if they're all they've promised them to be Will have the effect of making it so ISPs will be less dependent on data caps and that data caps will be a thing of the past one day And I think this will be part of what makes that happen You can find perspectives like that along with patrick bezia at daily tech news show dot com slash mvgb That's the monthly video game briefing. Uh scott and patrick host that show once a month I'm sure they'll be talking about this in the next episode coming out in a couple weeks And of course you've got your own outlets for talking about gaming all the time scott Yeah, tonight. There's a brand new episode of the core show which recently had a bit of a format change We now talk about video gaming for the hardcore and core gamers and this definitely has A lot to do with what we think so if you want to hear our perspectives check it out at frogpants.com slash core Again, that's tonight. That'll be live You can also cast catch on the podcast and if you really really want to know what I think About cloud gaming that's going to be the place to find it this week If you haven't already become a member join us at patreon.com slash dts Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com and we're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern 2030 utc at daily tech news show dot com slash live back tomorrow with jesson robert young talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frogpants.com Club hopes you have enjoyed this program Nice we did it scott we did we prevailed we did we we The challenge came and we took it head on the hail hydro is the top suggestion for the Actually like epics epic updates from kelly 138. That's not bad. It's not bad There's also king of the way things are done zoe like that one Uh lukas film games question mark Game streaming roundup Yeah, I think epics epic updates. Yeah, I like that. Yeah It's pretty good pretty good Yeah, they're uh, these guys are killing it Can I tell you one of my greatest regrets in life scott? What's that? For about a month The sign on the pie shop read French vanilla cherry pie. Oh no special The north is going. Yeah, I never got there. Yeah by the time I got back to the pie shop It was gone. I asked is there any more french vanilla cherry pie and the waiter waitress who's who's great I get the same waitress all the time. She actually knows my order. She's like, oh She's like, no, it's I actually ate the last I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make that a taunt and I'm like, no, I'm glad it went to a good home That's awesome, but I never got never got the french vanilla cherry I'm trying to say something I couldn't I couldn't hear. Oh, no, I was saying That she ate it. I can't feed it. She did. She ate it. Yeah, I would eat it I don't blame her. I would have I would have eaten it too if there was only one slice left Her perks are working there, you know, I I should have got my Myself in gear and got over there faster. That's all it wasn't like it wasn't on the sign for a month There the whole time you snooze you lose right someday someday I will it will return again and I will try it because I love cherry pie cherry pie is my favorite They have a great cherry pie there and I had that day the cherry pie not the french vanilla cherry pie But I was curious what their french vanilla addition would be like What makes it very vanilla That's a good question. Um, yeah, what is french vanilla? I mean, you always see that as an ice cream flavor, too What's the difference between vanilla and french vanilla? This is um Castigate you as you eat it like it comes down to eggs Ah French vanilla tends to have a slightly yellow coloring while plain vanilla is more white because the base of french vanilla ice cream has the yolks in it The eggs give french vanilla ice cream a smoother consistency and a subtle yellow color The taste is a little richer and a little more complex than regular vanilla. So it's not the vanilla It's the eggs So if it's french vanilla cherry pie, does that mean It's got ice cream in it or did they just serve cherry pie with a scoop? It wouldn't run out if they were just serving cherry pie with a scoop of french vanilla ice cream on it I guess. Right. I wouldn't think so. It must have been like the syrup had french vanilla flavoring in it Funny, I remember I don't know why I have this in my head, but you have multiple times expressed your love of cherry pie As soon as you started talking about it, I went, oh, that's tom's favorite thing even though I'm sure I already heard it before Clearly I've heard it No, uh, I am a huge fan of cherry pie cherry pie Is pie to me when someone says pie the thing that appears in my mind is a slice of cherry pie Which I know for a lot of people in the united states. It's apple pie Yeah, I really like apple pie that much. It's okay. I like I like a peach cobbler Oh peach cobbler is real good. That's wrong peach. I I really love there's even better I'll agree but even peach pie. I like a peach There's something about peaches being used in food recipes that for some reason makes it like 10 times More compelling just like I love peaches Yeah, I understand the pie often in parts of the world means savory pies, right? You know like a Like a mincemeat or a shepherd's pie or something like that and I like those too Right, man the fruit pie. That's that's where it's at cherry any kind of berry blueberry blackberry boysenberry Same I Yeah, I wish they made those hostess pies, but without as much Cholesterol and sugar wax garbage in it. Yeah, I was gonna say there are times where I actually really get excited About a crappy hostess pie at a gas station or something But then you flip it over and you look at the low nutrition levels like oh my god Yeah, that's true when I started noticing that the that the grease was coming through the plastic like the wrappers like That's way too much. Yeah It's all true nothing healthy is happening there Doesn't And that's why honestly I didn't get to the french vanilla pie because I was trying to eat healthier And I was like no I shouldn't get pie today. I'll get it later And then I just put it off too long You are better man than I be master is right. I am a fan of these the tv show pushing daisies Great show. Yeah, it's a showrunner or the guy is brian fuller who's doing uh, if you did Yeah, pushing daisies brian fuller of star trek voyager american god star trek discovery Okay, it's great. He keeps getting fired from all my favorite shows Oh Pushing daisies got canceled because of rider strike I don't think he got fired from voyager, but he was not a He was a a lower down in the on the rungs back then Yeah, yeah, he definitely got uh, he definitely left discovery. I don't know if he got fired, but he left And uh, he I don't think he got fired from american gods Oh, he's not there anymore. Is he I don't know after season one. He he and his partner were gone Oh, I didn't know that I thought they're here for season two Didn't he do Hannibal too? Uh, yes, yeah, that's what I do with Hannibal. Maybe he was showrunner. I don't remember Yeah, I think he was I think it was showrunner on Hannibal I think that he had a very successful run there. What is he doing now? That was good I haven't watched it I keep trying to get us to watch it as the spoiler in time show and I keep getting a little bit of unstated resistance to it I feel like it's it's uh, it's the kind of show that it would have I would have It would have been more natural on us on like fx or Uh, AMC or something weird thing to see on mbc Yeah, that's probably why it ended early, but by the way Brian fuller on imdb just a little oddity is brian fuller two Whoa, not the primary brian fuller. Isn't that brian brian fuller prime brian fuller one Is a producer for sword art online Oh Sword art online is a uh Is a is an anime. Yeah It's also a couple or that we're talking about he didn't get on die of dv fast enough. He got beat No, I used to be I used to be the first the primary Roger chang on there until someone discovered more No, did you get pushed to two you got changed? I'm two or three. I used to be mixed up. They used to amalgamate like three different roger chang's into one person Those are very very Yeah, I was good. I get confused with it Brian fuller is no longer on american gods Although he is still credited as a producer. He's no longer on star trek discovery. Although he's still credited as creator Actually, he's credited as creator on american gods too um, and I don't see any Any future projects listed for him So I don't know what he's doing what happened. Yeah Also, I can't he's what kind of show just stick with him Maybe he's a clash of personalities. Well, he worked on heroes Pushing daisies was a victim of the uh, of the writer strike. He worked on dead like me in wonderfalls Then pushing daisies. He was his first executive. Well, no, he's executive producer on wonderfalls too, actually Um, but pushing daisies was him. Then he was on heroes as a consulting producer Hannibal was his then american gods season one star trek discovery season one Oh Oh Not doing anything right now his last few He's like in and out like he's like, I'm just tired of getting fired. I don't want to do anything anymore Yeah, getting all these these checks as guys because of my creator credit Yeah, I'll just chill out Maybe I would chill ever Think of my residuals residuals you can live on residuals forever, man I think you know you say that most people can't though most people get residuals are like, yeah My residuals are like five dollars a year. Well, it depends on where you're what it is. Like Yeah, you're one of the friends from people Berg you can live on your residuals for sure I'm pretty sure everybody from friends could live off friends money for the rest of their life Addiction I was a friend. I'd quit trying to get rolls. I would just be like, all right now Now's the time for me to that was the time for me to bust out my cooking show Can I take a moment to uh to say that I saw the movie us yesterday? Yes, Jordan Peele written produced and directed. You like it. Would you did you like it? I loved it. It was amazing. Were you freaked out creeped out or scared or all three? I was creeped out And then kind of scared Not so much freaked out It's got surprises. It's got twists. It plays with the horror tropes in ways that that fool and delight you It's not if you're like, is this get out? No, this is not an allegory. This is a straight up horror movie Yeah, and it's not a slasher. Although it is bloody It's it's more of a creep you out situation and it's got twists and turns You know all is is any of it like tongue-in-cheek and like the way cabin in the woods was like, you know It's not tongue-in-cheek the way cabin in the woods was no But I think roger you might like the fact that there's some really good family dynamic comedy Because the the main character is played by Lupita Nyong'o and she is the mother of two kids And it starts with well, it starts with the flashback but the the main story is that her family is at a At a beach cottage near Santa Cruz Uh, and they're on a family vacation. So there's all all through the thing there's the those like family dynamics of you know, uh, the tween Girl who thinks her younger brother's dumb and the younger brother's kind of awkward and you know The dad telling the dad's jokes at the very beginning and all that and then that pull it when the horror stuff starts to happen That plays into it really well. It's really funny Yeah I want to see it I'm excited to uh, yeah I don't know if it's the greatest horror movie of all time as faux pas said some critic was saying but uh I do know that The editor-in-chief of rotten tomatoes has seen it twice now and loved it every time and plans to see it again So, uh, he's a he's a harder man to get to please You know, it's weird because for me a horror film a good horror film is the one where you're still like freaked out Like thinking about it like like after you've even after you've seen it Yeah, I said not freaked out because it didn't like scare me. It's not like I couldn't go to sleep But I was definitely still thinking about it like, um I just want to give our listeners an example. So if anyone who's a paranormal, um, paranormal, uh, what's it paranormal activity activity For like a couple of nights afterwards. I was hyper sensitive to any noise I heard After watching that, you know, I mean like something like that. Uh, there there is an element to that I don't know if it's spoilery to say Yeah, don't say it. Don't say it. All right. All right. There is a thing that eileen plans to plan to do at work today Based on the movie to try to creep out her co-workers who had seen it as well Mm-hmm Yeah, I mean scissors are a big part of it. Uh, I definitely don't look at scissors the same way I'm dying to know what that's about because I don't follow the advertising It's probably not as big of a deal as as you might think But it's the it's the less spoilery thing because you can already imagine like, oh, I you know People are trying to stab people's scissors, but it's pretty creepy the way it it's used scissors have the Have their own I mean they're gonna be memes about scissors Theater that where we showed up had uh, it was an arc light and um They have a clock and the clock had been wrapped in a huge pair of golden scissors. Oh my gosh. All right Wow Uh, I happened to be wearing the color red And so when we came out of the movie people were pointing out like, oh my god, you're wearing red Oh All right There's a great scene uh in in one part well Well, when the horror stuff is happening where they make fun of uh smart speakers Oh good. Yeah, that's pretty funny. Wow. That's uh specific Yeah, it's uh Ophelia is the voice assistant. It's not any of the actual voice assistants. Ophelia It's like, hey, Ophelia play me some beach songs I feel you I don't like the name the name is hard to I wouldn't want to say that to a box Have you seen those ads for There's like an ad where they kind of do the whole take on the voice assistant But it's like a german like voice assistant. It just gives you really just bizarre Uh results or answers to your queries She's super ticked and sounds really judgmental and all that because that's what I expect from my dream Oh, this one is like they they ask about like tell us about the mood and This voice assistant says well, there's you know, there's only two moons after the third one got destroyed in a cataclysmic event Oh, man, you're like it's it's part of a commercial. I'm trying to remember what it's for it's a take on those it's kind of like a A take on those uh geico ads where they like the throw thing sure I'm sure I can look sees on youtube Well, uh, while you're looking to see on youtube, we are going to end our video which is available on youtube But thanks everybody for watching audio folks stick around. There's more to come