 We were saying that the way you package your CV depends on the industry that you are in. You said that your photo shouldn't always be there. It should or should not depending on what you are applying for. It depends on what you are applying for. Let's shift gears to the next thing. When you are applying for a job and it's for, let's say, different industries, and you said it depends on the industry, does it also affect the font of the CV, the font type or the font size, does that matter? Yes, the font size and font type matter in all CVs. Reason is we have to choose on fonts that are attractive. On fonts they are like say, they are too flat. But as we talk about fonts, let me just also make... Writing some academic papers does the same apply for CVs that you have specific fonts for CVs? Not really. Because you just have to ensure that whatever you have written there, somebody can read it. But again, does your font type really bring out some good professionalism? Because live alone like say, we are talking about the academia, they talk about the Times New Roman. If you go into that, people think now that is a standard. And if you are applying for a job and you have no experience, what do you do? You don't have an experience but you need that job. And you need that job? So why do you need it when you are not a call file for it? You just graduated? You have some experience. Every job has its own qualification. Like somebody who just graduated, you come in this organization and maybe say as a graduate trainee or an intern, and things like that. And those opportunities, they have different demands in terms of the qualifications somebody should have. Somebody who is just a reason graduate. So already you fit in that category. So why do you want a job for somebody who has five years experience? So now your catch for you again to get that job. Some people again don't get this job because they are applying for jobs and you don't have the qualifications. And is it bad to apply for a job that needs five years experience and you have less than that even a year? Because it will be somebody who is better than you who needs that job, who qualifies for that job. And now let me take you through the short listing. How it is done? We will have a criteria. Even if it is a system, five years experience you have already indicated there. We are too much into digital world. The system itself will just reject you because you don't have the year of experience. You will incur there yourself. Maybe there is a provided form, you're feeling there. Numbers of experience, three to five, ten or something. So it's you again who incur there have less than one and they are looking for five. So the system again is just automatically called for you. So akuna kremwa bahati? Akuna bahati. That's how it is. Or if it's again, it's now manual, HRS has come to me and I'll draw it up. Ram has five years experience or I have it. Five years experience, ten years experience, less than that. So why should I bring you? Then I'm just making it a bulky for no reason. When I have somebody who has this experience to take on the job. Don't lie. If you don't have it, don't have it. If you have it, you have it. That's how the job market looks like. Doesn't that reduce our chances of getting employment now? Big time. Why do we invite you for the interview? Because there's a way you've used your tool to market a save and you looked at it and say, hey, Sam is a good candidate. We invite now let's come to hear from the hostess mouth. One will invite you to really establish, to validate whatever you wrote there, it's a fact, it's true. From the interviews you can tell this person, still there's a background check that is done. We'll call pub say, your employer say that you work there. Say, hi Sam, how are you? So and so applied for a job in this organization. So these are that. So don't lie. When you are writing your CV, there is that section for referees. Solitely. What kind of referees should we be looking out for especially for CV? Do we have some that we should actually just avoid? Do we have those specific ones that actually even reduce our chances of even getting that job? Yes. One of the questions we have to ask ourselves is why do we have that section in the CV? Why do you think we have that section, we have just referees? What exactly? Yes, you know people just get it there. But if you ask yourself and answer that question, you really know how and why you should put there some information. So don't just choose anyone. Don't just choose anyone. Few of the things we should not when you are giving out your referees. Number one, ensure like now say, for you you have good number of years of experience. And today if I check your CV you are even indicating your primary school teacher. As a referee. Does a referee change with time? Yes, it changes with time. That's why even your CV changes with time. There's some information in your CV that they should not be there. Yes, like you've gone through so many jobs and you're still carrying them here. And even looking at the relevance of those experiences to the job you're applying for is not so needful. So you have to remove them. Also you have to update your referees. Assuming you're working at a particular organization, Organization X, there are people that you're working with there. Your bosses, people of some, they know you. How do you go by to choose who amongst all these bosses or all these people that I know ought to appear in my CV? A referee is somebody who knows you. Like they know your capacity, your work-related experience. They get it. They can confidently say something positive or negative about you in regards to the job you're applying for. So it's come to me too, you meet in the morning, high, high. Like your brother, your dad, some people include there. No. Because we really need to know how is Sam when it comes to doing his job. That's why we're inviting you for this job. So it should be somebody who has an experience with you. Somebody who has worked with you. Yes. And they can attest either positive or negative about you. Regardless of the title they hold in that particular organization. Yeah. Though you may prefer like somebody who is senior is a person to be reporting to. So they'll be monitoring and evaluating you. So is it a mass that you go for somebody who is senior in that particular organization or industry? Who's been kind of supervising you. It's better. It's better. What if the person supervising you doesn't know you as much as the... Maybe your colleague there. You can use your colleague. Because they know you. Yeah. So you can even use a fellow colleague on your CV. Yeah, you can. No matter how small they may be in that organization. But now you see the market really wants somebody who is a bit senior. Because in CV... That is the notion. People want, you know, to see titles. Yes, titles. Maybe weights on the CV. But essentially why do we have somebody who can really attest of you. You get it. And if you work in any organization even starting from the get man to the CEO all of them they know you. But you have to be very particular. Yeah, at least also maybe just to sell yourself as well. When you are sending your CV assuming it's online should it also be accompanied by anything is it okay to just say the CV as it is? Sending the CV as it is. Just say greetings. Following the application you made blah blah blah attached here is my CV. Is there anything else you wish should be added there? Cover letter? Absolutely. Maybe they have not asked. These things work together? Maybe they have not asked. No, you are making an application. What is a cover letter? That is the question again people just need to understand. So most of these applications you need to when you are making an application one should have a cover letter in the CV. So if whether they ask or not cover letter should be there? Yeah, include a cover letter. And a cover letter now if it's an online thing it can come in different forms. One you can use a section of your email to write a cover letter. Then you finish by just saying please for more details see my attached CV. So write a cover letter. Or you can just have following your application or something like that advertisement attached is my cover letter and the CV. You get it? Look, a cover letter is what makes somebody to be interested in your CV. So between the cover letter and the CV where do they go for first? We look at a cover letter when you're CV. It's a cover letter first then the CV. It's like introducing you. You're selling yourself then okay now for more details because essentially a cover letter is just a summary of your CV. For those who write whatever they are applying for you see the details are in the cover letter. They normally indicate those things at the email at the email section. Blah blah blah my name is so and so I'm applying for this job and the touch is my CV. Those details should be on the cover letter but they apply but they use those words on when sending the email and then they have an attachment of the CV. That's not recommended. Take it again. I didn't get your question right. You said you have the cover letter. Yes. There's information that you write Yes. On the cover letter. Like what information you say who you are Yes. It has sections cover letter. You just need to understand that. The official letter the way it is but now you just have to understand that it has some section that really need to capture the information. Number one but now just knowing when you talk about first paragraph what goes there? When you talk about second paragraph what are you talking about? When you come to the third paragraph what is being included there? So people again missed big time because they really don't know they just think just another letter. But you said that it is what sells you Yes. and it is what makes someone to be interested to live and look at your some may have that information as the email and attach the CV. Yes. That's what I'm asking. Yes. Is that advisable? Yes it is. You can have it different from number one in that section the body section of your email you can use that part to write as your cover letter. And then you attach the CV. You get it? Or you can just have like one line just to really lead someone to you attached documents and now that is the cover letter and your CV. Another thing on the CV Hobbies. Amazing. What about you? How about sir? Of course there are some movies that you may not want to also you may have that maybe if you keep there it a chom. Do we have how do you go by to select the hobbies that are particular to that job that you are applying for? Is it a sensitive area? It is. Hobbies and interests. It is big time. Hobbies they can sell you short as well. How? You have to look at the job the nature of that job. Like for you I know you are in journalism right? Yes. There are some hobbies that come with this job. You get it? Maybe say traveling as a journalist. Research and reading. You get it? Now let's say another job like a doctor. Research and reading. Swimming How is swimming relevant in a doctor's job? And you indicate it is a hobby? Assume you are someone who Assume you like drawing or singing. Well people love so many things but the question we should ask ourselves is how relevant is that hobby to this job that I am applying for? So you should choose a hobby that is relevant to that job? Relevant to that job. What if you don't have one that is relevant to that job? No. You like traveling. Everybody has a hobby. That's why now it takes us back to something we call career choices. When you are making career choices we also are informed by the hobbies. And so some people just go into some careers because they just thought it was time for me just certain thing and they really didn't think about it. That's why some people are enjoying their jobs today. Like for you I know you are enjoying your job because you love maybe talking to people. And maybe another job will be somewhere who again is in this job and just wondering when will these shows end so that I go home I disappear from this place. So now that's going to help us understand that hobbies are important. So look at the revans of your hobbies and get them there. A few. I want us to finish this conversation. Let me just give you one minute to 30 seconds to have a final word. Talk to Kenyans there that is your camera about job seeking how to prepare. See if you just in a nutshell your final words to the youth who are watching when you are not after kazi. Amazing. Wow. Thank you so much for this opportunity and also thank you so much for viewing. Just a few things to mention is that we understand it's a bit tricky to come by some jobs especially in Africa but considering other factors constant you can still get a job and you just have to understand that you have to package yourself well and differentiate yourself from the cloud and you'll get a job. Lastly a million other people can do what you do what can set you apart from them it's your CV and your skills that you're selling there. Wow. Thank you. That is John C. Miu an author, a trainer and HR consultant. My brother thank you for coming. All right. Thank you too. Thank you so much for it's a pleasure having you all those who have sent in their comments you are not able to sample them up as we continue the conversation but we value your feedback. The hashtag is always this one in the morning. Thank you very much for being with us. That brings us to the end of this morning show. My name is Ram Maguko and I wish you the best. As you start a new month go apply for that job. Set your CV straight and I wish you the best. May God bless you. God bless the work of your hands. Keep it Y254.