 we should rather say I began to be saved if it is therefore a process that takes time and it's only complete when every bit of sin is out of your life. There is just an awful lot wrong with everything that he says. I have been asked a couple of times about what I thought about David Post and haven't really made any comments because I just hadn't been all that thoroughly familiar with him, heard about him. I may have caught a glimpse or two about some of the things that he says and I know that he has since passed away and someone actually sent me a clip about him and I thought you know what I think I'll go ahead and finally give coverage because people have been asking what I think about him and so on and so forth and there are some things about now he seems like a fine or nice man but a lot of what I was hearing was just wrong. Let me just say this up front he was not a heretic, he was not a false teacher, a false prophet but he was wrong on some things especially as it relates to I think the process of salvation. Now he intentionally calls it a process because he labels out different steps and so forth and I understand where he comes from, I understand where he gets some of these things because some of those things were some of the things that I used to believe hold to because I would I think I was just really confused. I would think that you had to do this, this and this in order to be saved because I'm reading the scriptures not really fully understanding and so I want to be gracious but at the same time I also want to be firm and say that he was wrong on some things so I want to go ahead jump into what he's saying. He's speaking about salvation as a process and you must basically it's something that you'll get at the end. Salvation will be something that you don't have now you're not saved now you are in the process of being saved but or I've begun to be saved as he put it we'll look at more of this clip and then you will be saved in the end. Now there's some elements to that that actually is true but there's a lot of that that just is not so let's go ahead and listen to the clip. It is therefore a process that takes time. It takes a lot of time to take rubbish and turn it into something useful again and therefore salvation is not something that happens in a moment it happens over time. It takes time and that's a very important insight and that's going to affect our thinking about how you begin to be saved and in fact it's more true to the Bible to say not I was saved 20 years ago we should rather say I began to be saved 20 years ago or we had seven people on Sunday night in the church who began to be saved. Now there are some elements that I said there are some elements to what he says that I can see I can even some parts and I don't want to shock you but there's some parts where I can agree but his his his overall application. In other words there are passages that seem to say that we were saved, are being saved and will be saved. That part is true. The issue is how saved are we at the beginning? How saved are we now? How saved will we be then? Are we any less saved or any more saved during the process and he seems to attribute different stages of salvation and at any point in time if you got off the beaten path in this process then you will no longer be saved and so let me go ahead and and let him make a little bit more of his points and I'll come back with my points. That's why it's called in the Bible the way of salvation and the way it means a road a journey and it's a process that will take some people years and it's only complete when every bit of sin is out of your life. Okay and that's the part that really made me just do a double take huh? It won't be complete until every bit of sin is out of your life. What? Now obviously we can't go back and ask him or get him to clarify and so we're almost you know we're we're dealing with someone that cannot respond but when every bit of sin there's not a person on the planet who will die with every bit of sin out of their life. Now could he possibly mean that once you die then all of the sin is gone as he's speaking as soon as you cross over? I don't know but what he says that if your eyebrow went up if your antennas went up if your ears began to wiggle if your hairs stood on end well then there's a reason why I think what he said would cause that. Justification, sanctification, glorification. Let me ask you guys a question. I want him to get those three points out. Justification, sanctification, glorification. Well what as a matter of fact let me I didn't I didn't think to do this but let me go ahead give me one second let me pull up a passage. Let me go ahead and type it in first because I want to ask you guys a question what do you think what is justification? What is sanctification? What is glorification? Let me type in this passage I just I just thought of this passage I didn't think of it I thought of it at the time and did not think that I would probably go over it but I need to so let me pull this up and put it on the screen there we go okay and let's start there let's go to Romans 8 28 and he says and we know that God causes all things to work together for the good for good to those who love God to those who are called according to his purpose and I think we need to remember that I think too often we forget about this passage I think we forget about this passage too often and we never we we never apply it I think we in 828 we we see the part where says God causes all all things work for for the good we see that we like that we skip over the the main points of that and then we go to the the predestination parts that people want to deal with as well but let's go to that for those whom he foreknew he also predestined he predestined to do what to be conformed to the image of his son so that he would be the first born among many brothers by the way this process he's speaking right there to be conformed that would be the sanctification process we'll do more with the sanctification process in a little bit and these whom he predestined he also called and these whom he called he also justified and these whom he justified he also glorified let's pull this up just a little bit further and let's get you to feast your eyes to the right where it's highlighted now I don't know if you all can see this as a matter of fact let me fix this can I make this can I hold on one second give me one second let me adjust my computer there we go there we go now let's see okay I want to know can you can you guys see what I have if I can get over what I have highlighted the word for justified I mean for glorified and justified do you all see the bottom of it I don't know it might be a little hard for you guys to read it but those of you all that might be on a computer or a tablet can you see what that word is this this is the word for glorified can you all guess if you if you know already or if you if you need to look on the screen can you guess or tell me what tense is that word glorified in can you matter of fact can you also tell me what tense is that word justified in pretty important and it goes to what he's speaking about exactly Christa it is the past tense this is what we call the heiress tense if you look at it it says a singular heiress active indicative so it is heiress in the greek is just a fancy word I think they could have just said past tense it's just past tense same thing with the word justified it also is in the past tense so what is the writer telling us the writer's telling us that we have been those of us who are in him we've been justified and then we've been glorified now what's missing is being sanctified in the past tense but there are past tense present tense and future tenses of the word I won't go through the whole thing about sanctification we've done it before and if need be we'll go over it again but in this case there's a reason why he's not talking about being sanctified in the past tense because it's a process of what's happening we are being conformed we are our mind is kind of in the the greek way of putting the being up new we have been renewed it's being new again from above and that's an ongoing thing for all believers which is also part of the reason why he says he causes all things he's working with all these things to work together for those who are called to his purposes whom he loved who loved him and so this part right here the justified is the important part that I want you to see this word justified it's used in financial terms in the old and new testament it's also used obviously in salvation it is a word we get this understanding from the old testament to be justified is to be declared right and treated as such so if we are justified we are declared right by who well let's go back to the passage and let's read some more then we'll go back to him verse 33 who will bring a charge against god's elect that's why he says who will bring a charge against god's elect who is the one that's going to bring uh to a cubes or bring blame notice what it says this is very important who is going to bring any sort of accusation or blame against god's elect who is that that's everyone who is saved that's who the elect are in this passage and those who are called according to his purpose so is there anybody that can bring a charge against god's elect so let me ask you guys a question let me just ask you guys this question see see how you guys answer this question i put the the chat on the screen can anybody bring an accusation or charge against god's elect can someone say this person is blame worthy of this i accuse this person of this can anybody ever say anything like that towards us now someone might be inclined to say no but the answer is yes the obvious answer yes is satan but then guess what anybody else can anybody can bring a charge but it's a baseless charge it's a charge that has already been adjudicated for example can anyone bring a charge against let's just say in in our own legal system can someone bring a charge against someone who has been charged convicted sentenced and then served their time their their sentence has been adjudicated and now they're free can anyone bring a charge well you can bring an old charge you can bring an old charge but what's happening is now the court has declared this person to be in right standing this person is now justified because the fact of the matter is everyone stands guilty before the lord everybody that's why he says who will bring a charge against god's elect god is the one who justifies it is god who justifies oh by the way do you all have any idea of what the tense is of this verb this verb is in the is a participle meaning he is actively he is continuing justifying us so if someone were to say well quarry did this if someone were to say well sierra did that shon did this laquisa did this dutch did this okay fine you absolutely right but guess what they are now justified they have been declared right and are to be treated as such the justification means to be declared right and to be treated as such i am now in right standing not that i did something to be in right standing he did the he did the justification so it is god who is the one who justifies who is the one who condemns christ is he who died yes rather he i'm sorry who was raised who is at the right hand of god who also intercedes for us and so here's the question who will separate us from the love of christ and he goes through a litany of things then some johnny come lately or some david come lately pun intended will say well there's different things that can separate you know they cannot name the one thing that can separate you that paul does not cover in roman's eight there's nothing so that being said let's go back to what he's saying three together make up salvation and salvation is not complete until you've got all three unfortunate so he's saying those three things together make up salvation yeah all three of those are part of part of salvation but it's not that you are less saved if you don't complete the process here's what i mean if a person has placed their faith in christ and now they are going through the sanctification process and the person dies three days into the sanctification process is that person unsaved is that has that person think about it three days after salvation three days after salvation the person dies he didn't make it and by the way slavic uh glushkin glad to hear my friend i'm going to listen for you and others anyone who disagrees make sure you let the moderators know because i want some i want some feedback i want to ask some questions you could ask me questions so uh i've got you marked and so therefore not marked in the bad way but i i made note of you so therefore i will look to see if you got commentary on what i'm saying someone says repentance is very necessary absolutely as a matter of fact as a matter of fact he addresses that the issue is though he thinks that we don't address that as well so we're gonna deal with that someone brought up shan brought up what about a particular passage shan it's like you're reading my you're reading my mail you're at the desk behind typing look at what i'm doing we're going there we are we're going there in just a little while my friend thank you so much for for bringing that up so let's go back to what he's speaking of the protestant reformation started by martin luther so concentrated on justification that people have come to think that's all of salvation comes a shock to you but you see the gospels were written at least the first three Matthew mark and Luke were written before Jesus or they were written after but they were written about his life now i want you to hear this this this is where i'm scratching my head i rewind this over and over um i i lean closer i put my ear closer if that's going to change anything i do what we all do when we're trying when we try to hear things closer uh might even open my mouth as though opening your mouth is going to help understanding i'm gonna play i'm gonna rewind i'm gonna put it back on the screen i'm gonna rewind that and i want you to hear his point i think i finally got his point and so yeah we have a problem before his death luther so concentrated on justification that people have come to think that's all of salvation come so his point is that all we think about is justification well first of all the whole point of having your sense of tone for is based off of justification that way you can have this reconciliation but now listen what he says comes a shock to you but you see the gospels were written at least the first three Matthew mark and Luke were written before Jesus or they were written after but they were written about his life before his death and before his resurrection and before his ascension and therefore faith could not be what it later became faith in the resurrection the death and the ascension of Jesus comes later his point is the gospels particularly Matthew mark and Luke don't focus on now get this aren't focusing on the big picture the whole picture why because they were written before his death there a resurrection and ascension now obviously all of these were physically written after Jesus's death there a resurrection ascension but i guess his point is that that there are only just covering his life there's a huge problem with what he's saying huge problem with what he's saying i'll talk about this huge problem in just a second and so you don't find the four steps together in the first three gospels the four steps are he's speaking of he's going to mention them let me see if i can remember repentance um believe be baptized and then receive the holy spirit those those four steps and so he says those four steps are not mentioned in the gospels none of the four gospels and the three big first three because they were written prior to yeah like he said i'm confused well so am i so so are a lot of people this is this is confusing because it's not biblical and the problem with what he's stating is there's a huge there's a does anyone know what the huge problem is what he's stating that because because they wrote about Jesus's life they're not speaking about the necessary things that come after that such as receiving the holy spirit and so forth and there's a huge problem with that the big problem is i would say the elephant in the room or i you know what more to the point the person that wrote the donkey that's in the room that would be Jesus Jesus gave us what we needed prior to his death does Jesus talk are we told told about the holy spirit by yes we are are we told about repentance yes we are are we told about believing yes we are so what was everyone being baptized we're told about that as well now his understanding of baptism is that that you have to be physically baptized to be saved as well now we got a problem houston we got a problem so let's jump back into it you don't find repentance in the fourth gospel that may never have struck you but there's not one word repent in the fourth gospel because it was written to people who were already christians so the word repent was not fully fleshed out in the first three gospels because it was written before Jesus's death bearing resurrection which is not true and then in the fourth gospel because it was written to people who had already repented huh huh and huh or as cg says what and you guys stop calling him colonel sanders he does look like colonel sanders but y'all stop calling him colonel sanders let's continue it is therefore assuming they've already repented but in the other three gospels you find all four things mentioned but never together so we find all of those things mentioned but never together now we've covered this before why do you see the bible saying that salvation is brought on by in one case it might just have faith right by itself just by believing one then you might see him saying in another place all by itself repent then you might see him someplace else say be baptized all by itself and then we're told by having the holy spirit that's enough well we talked about this before about this ep exegetical understanding of salvation where you're going to have things mentioned and it's a way of saying the same thing in different ways because the bible knows of you guys are killing me with this kfc stuff and colonel sanders the bible knows of nobody who is saved who is not repented the bible knows of no one who is saved who it does not believe the bible knows of no one who is saved who is not baptized and i mean in the holy spirit the bible knows of no one who was saved who was not received the holy spirit who's not been baptized who does not believe not repented they all go together they all go together there are texts about repentance there are texts about baptism there are texts about faith and genes there are texts about receiving the holy spirit with the warning that nobody could receive the holy spirit then he was not yet given because the problem is though we're told that he is going to be given by jesus yet jesus before jesus died because jesus was not yet glorified so the gospels even though they mentioned all four steps separately never put them together they are all written too early before christ had died and risen and ascended the epistles were all written too late for us because they're all written to those already in the kingdom to the now his point now is the gospels didn't do enough to tell us a full story all of the epistles you know all of the letters by paul by james by john by jude by the writer of hebrus by peter they don't do enough because they're told after well wait a second now he's focusing on one book because that book is the one that we need to keep we need to focus on to those already on the way to those who've started so you don't find well now if the gospels are written too early and the epistles are written too late what are we left with the book of acts and here we have the apostles on location we have the apostles doing it we have the apostles telling people how to get started and this is where we find the best teaching on this subject now there's a big problem of what he's saying there uh the apostles tell us in acts only problem the only problem is what he said the issue with the uh the epistles as well as the gospels is the same problem in acts because when you look at acts you don't see all four of them put together except for one place and really not even matter of fact no place really only one place where three of them are put together and that is acts 238 and then he asked well what about the belief part well the assumption that there is that they already believe because they asked what must we do so they must believe so yeah and I'm with you and it does it it is it it comes across as a work based salvation now they won't think that they and so I'll I'll give them what I what I do sometimes I I'll give folks the benefit of doubt in that because they don't they don't equate it as being works just long as you keep believing not fully understanding because it's possible to be saved and not get a full understanding of what this price I get that I get that everyone is talking about chicken I should have blurred his face out because now you got yes he does look like colonel sanders yes he does by the way if you go look at the bucket of colonel sanders something's gonna happen you guys have messed me up if you go look at the at colonel sanders and you look at his little bow tie it looks like a little stick person's designed like the hands and the feet so now since you all mess with me I'll mess with you back but anyway get off the colonel sanders and church's chicken and everything else you guys are killing me 11 herbs and spices stop it stop it but if we were to go to look up the word repent and just look at it in the uh let's just start let's go in acts all the times where repent shows up in acts by the way it shows up in other places other next we see repent being brought up in in the gospels as well as a matter of fact they're brought up in relation to salvation remember what does Jesus say repent John says John the Baptist says repent now Peter we see this passage and this is where they where he's where he's looking at Peter said to them repent each of you and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sin and you will receive the Holy Spirit now I've got a question this is for my greek students this is for my greek students we've covered this before we've covered this before it's my fault what does the word the greek word let me highlight it for you guys what is this greek word right here mean chi what does the greek word chi mean if anyone the first one to get it right i'll send you a a bucket of chicken now i'm kidding but what is the greek word chi mean let me put it back on the screen so you guys can see what does the greek word chi mean it does mean and monkey move says usually and but also means also even as or or even or namely when does it ever mean namely matter of fact look at the bottom it says also and also even and yet but well when does it mean these other things here's an example when it means that because there is something called the ep exegetical chi the usage of chi to make something ep exegetical well quarry that's a big word and i'm not i don't want to hear big words i just got off work i'm tired and i don't want to hear uh something that big well here's all it means it's just using extra words or descriptions to describe the same thing okay so in this case we'll see put it back on the screen repent and each of you be baptized in the name of jesus christ for the gifts we're seeing and and i'll submit you that all of these are ep exegetical uses of it why because repent as in being baptized uh namely receiving the gift of the holy spirit you cannot get he's not speaking of being baptized in water to get the holy spirit how do we know because all we have to do is go to ax chapter 10 and we see them believing and what happens when they believe they receive the holy spirit then they got baptized so back so the holy spirit does not come as a result of being baptized that's why we say these are part and parcel the this you get the wet with the water are you guys with me so that's kind of a just a basic definition of ep exegetical just type in on google type in ep exegetical it's an english term as well okay now there's no such person no such person in the history of well i shouldn't say that i shouldn't say that's gonna make i was gonna make a big mistake there's no one after this any of us who get saved and doesn't have the holy spirit if you have the holy spirit you are saved if you don't have the holy spirit you're not saved okay paul makes the point in first Corinthians 12 that all of us have been baptized into the holy spirit all of us who all of us paul also says in the same chapter of romans eight that unless you have the holy spirit if you're not led by the holy spirit you are not his you're not a son of god you are not those that are led by the spirit those are the sons of god but let's go back to this issue of repent notice in ax three those things that he's that he's mentioned all of those elements this process that he's speaking of that's not there and i really want to go to a particular passage i want to go to when paul is speaking to king agrippa paul is speaking to king agrippa in ax chapter 26 and look what he's saying to king agrippa where do i want let's start in verse 20 paul is pleading with him to be saved matter of fact let's start in verse 19 so king agrippa i did not prove disobedient to the heavenly vision but kept declaring look what he says both to those of demascus first and also at jerusalem and then throughout all the region of judaia and even to the Gentiles that they should repent and turn to god performing these appropriate to repentance wait a second why didn't paul preach for them to be saved i mean to believe paul didn't repeat didn't didn't preach belief did he he didn't preach uh received the holy spirit did he no paul didn't repeat didn't didn't didn't preach you must be baptized did he he said i preach for them to be repent to repent why because it's the same thing ladies and gentlemen if you if a person repents listen you cannot you cannot be saved you how a person becomes saved they necessarily have to see themselves as fallen individuals no good who who are leaning on a good savior who pay the price that they couldn't pay guys that's repentance that means all of your sin past present and future bothers you you don't even like the fact that you did a sin 20 years ago 20 minutes ago that bothers you that's what a repentant heart does and oh by the way who grants who grants us this repentant heart and the bible says god does the bible says god does that so there is no such person who is who is who is saved who's not repented and at the moment of your salvation now we can sit and quabble over the order how how soon thereafter or if it's instantaneous if there's if there's time in between from this process to that process the first you repent then you believe then you feel the holy spirit you don't there there's not enough time to lapse between those things so if there is an actual order of it for us it's instantaneous as far as we can measure it's not as though a second later this happens in a second later no that's not how this works that is not how this works uh once you place your faith in christ it is it is is clear you have you are repentant if your faith is in christ you are repentant and you are baptized in the holy spirit so now there's some things that we need to go over as well uh he covers some passages because he is clearly not one that believes that salvation is kept so i want to play some more of this from a different video uh and let's see because he's going to bring some some scriptures and he does what they all do they either take them out of context and obviously everyone says you're taking out of context but he's going to add something to it and we've talked about people adding to the text so let's see if he does the exact same thing well as i say i accepted in early christian life the idea that once you saved you saved forever and that's it i study of the bible led me to a very different point of view i have noticed this people who believe in one saved always saved believe it because they've listened to someone who taught it i people who believe in one saved always save believe it because they listen to someone who taught it let's think about that for a second people who believe in one saved always save believe that because they listen to someone who taught it well can't you say the same thing about someone who believes the other way someone taught it someone taught it somewhere and you heard something about it it's not a big deal but what but his point is you let someone snucker you you let someone you've been horn swaddled someone pulled the wool over your eyes someone explained but not thoroughly enough and you and you fell for it you've been sold a bill of goods and so that's really his point i've met many people who've only got their bible particularly people in prison for example and with only the bible they all come out on the other side they've read in their bible that's not true there are a lot of people who read the bible and on their own okay i say i i can't matter of fact he's getting ready to bring in a group of people i'm not sure if he's if he's thoroughly acquainted with this next group of people i'm not sure if he's thoroughly acquainted with this group now i am thoroughly acquainted with this group of people that he's about to bring up bible warnings that you can lose your faith discovered there are 80 passages in the new testament that warn us not to lose what we've found in christ now there are a ton of passages that warn us a bunch of what i don't know they're not 80 there's not 80 but what they tend to do is they might want to say there is but that's fine i wouldn't care if it was 127 would not care if it was 127 doesn't make sense though here i am here here i am i believe in internal security and i warn people all the time why because i know for a fact that most people who say they're saved are not saved and think they are so my question is doesn't doesn't stand a reason because even those that believe like he believes if you see someone that you just think might not be saved i see family of god uh if you see someone that you think might not be saved doesn't love of christ compel you doesn't terrible lord compel you to warn them what would you do wouldn't you would warn them well if you would warn them well then why do we think god wouldn't why do we think paul would why do we think peter wouldn't why do we think that john wouldn't of course there's warning passages uh can i get a great big gigantic duh of course he is there's going to be warning passages what else would you do god has been warning through people and through himself all throughout from genesis to revelation there's always warnings it's the whole point of it that's the whole you have these words to warn us of an impending danger and also to verify to make sure that you have christ there are a lot of people who think they do and don't i love the lord knows my heart i love me and him are good we're like this you've seen those guys they they're doing and living all sorts of ways now the best i can tell you look like you're living uh uh incorrectly so you might not so here here's the warning paul doesn't come out and say you are a savior you're not saved just hate you better you my friend better check yourself okay you my friend you better evaluate yourself that's what paul says he says let every man examine himself to see to make sure if he asks christ if you don't then everything about your void so yeah that makes sense when you look up those 80 passages it's pretty impressive every writer of the new testament has a warning somewhere i mean if i look at just one like john tan 27 28 my sheep hear my voice says the lord jesus and i know them and they shall follow me and i give them eternal life and they shall never perish neither shall anyone snap all right he he's messed up he has messed up chest champ he's messed up my friend did y'all hear what he just said he dog on it he messed up how did he mess up because he just he decided and he should know better why would you go to john tan 27 28 why why would you do that so he messed up he messed up and so now we're going to look at his response but let's finish letting him mess up snatch from out of my hand he doesn't include yourself in the anyone he's saying no one else will do it but he's saying in the same john's gospel abide in me stay in me reside in me if you don't you become fruitless you wither you die and you're cut out and all righty all righty all righty and by the way you guys that disagree thank you for you know expressing your disagreement in the chats i will i will get back to these i will get back to your questions or your your comments in a second but let's go to john ten he didn't really spend a whole lot on john 10 27 or 28 maybe because for good reasons for good reasons let's go to john 10 27 i still say it is the undefeated text there's a few texts that are undefeated there's a few texts that are undefeated let's go to john 10 27 let's go to 28 first because that's the one that he brought up john 10 28 in 28 and i'm marking something as we go in john 10 28 it says and i give eternal life to them who does he give eternal life to them them who them sheep not them chickens see what i did there the colonel sanders and never mind you guys are not them chickens but to the sheep i give them those sheep us sheep assist he gives them eternal life by the way i want y'all to look at the word that's there please look at the word that's there he is given to them life into the ages this word i only on is into the ages or eternal either way is fine so so that's what he gives here's my question can anyone particularly those who disagree can anyone say when he gives us eternal life that's my question can i explain the posse i sure will give me a second hold on red chicken and then listen this is good discipline for me this is good discipline i'm gonna do my very best not to look at these funny comments but when when exactly does we get that life eternal when do we get life eternal can anyone tell me when did you say we get now this is jesus speaking jesus says we get life eternal when in the world do we get it now his uh understanding is that we get it at the end you get it at the end true i agree with part of that i'm doing my best not to look at the chat you get it at the end but you also get it now i'll show you that in a second and because i i've got a few more other undefeated texts and then if you got a text that you think goes the other way that's undefeated okay you can offer that you can offer that but let's go back to it i give them and this is present tense guys life eternal to them he says and they who's a they a sheep will never perish and he uses the most emphatic way umayapa long time you can never he says those sheep will never ever ever perish so if they do perish then cause be is wrong and he says no one will snatch them out of my hand now what he says he says he says the no one can snatch them out of my hand that doesn't include you you can you can walk away he says you can walk away but god says that in Jeremiah 32 as well as in other places that when the spirit is in your heart you will never turn away so there is some reconciliation of those passages that need to be done you if god says when the spirit is in your heart you will never walk away you'll never turn away and he says i'll never turn away from you well then how can that happen how can so the only thing left is that you could be snatched but then most come back and say yes but you got to be a sheep according to verse 20 70 says but my sheep who's sheep his sheep a sheep hear his voice and he knows them and what does what does he say in verse 27 that his sheep do i will jd i'll go to hebrew six what does he say the sheep do the sheep follow him he says the sheep follow him can i ask you guys a question in the chats i just want to ask you guys a question particularly those who disagree will the sheep ever does Jesus ever say the sheep will follow or never follow do does it ever change will the sheep ever follow anyone different that's my question jesus is describing sheep and telling what sheep do the sheep never stop following that's a bold statement cori how can you make that statement well i can make that statement because jesus literally says so he says in john 10 4 when he puts forth all his own the sheep belong to him his own sheep when were the sheep if Jesus has sheep wait a second jesus has sheep who where do these sheep come from who when did jesus go out and purchase these sheep did jesus go out and purchase these sheep did jesus go up and round up all of these sheep no jesus never did go out and round up those sheep he didn't shepherd the sheep bring them in now he's shepherding them out he never goes out and purchases them he never know where did these sheep come from can someone please tell can someone please tell me where the sheep that are his that belong to him where did those sheep come from that is my man arson oh the father gave them now they're his own because the father gave them where does he say that at in john six all of those very same sheep that the father that jesus has the father gave them he get what is wrong with people and their english reading i could see if you had if someone made you read the bible in greek but he gives us an english oh mad dog on it dog on it you're gonna make me do it you're gonna i had planned on doing this but you know what the heck what the heck let's go to john six more undefeated texts how about that all that the father gives pond that words mean all each or every here is one of those examples where any way that you want to look at pond where there's all each every the whole of it that fits every last one of those sheep every last so if you're one of his own we'll go back to john tenon second if you're one of his you were given to him who gave you now raise your hand by show of hands give me a one a yes a amen if indeed you are one of his sheep let me put my hand let me put both my hand up i am his i'm one of his sheep do you believe ladies and gentlemen in the in the audience do you believe that you are one of his sheep just we're gonna just be thorough with this do you believe you are one of his sheep i see a whole bunch of ones yes it's an amen's amen fact some folks put up a bunch of ones yes an amen and heck yes couldn't say the other word you're darn tootin show enough or in Barry whitesway show you right all of that you better believe it however you want to put it yes are you a sheep question how did you get to become a sheep how in the world did you my friend so those that disagree slavic galt glueskin glueskin how did you become a sheep um square vinyl how did you become a sheep divine scout how did you become a sheep little light how did you become a sheep how did you guys become a sheep that's my question where is that i just saw it just move i like that i be sheepin i be sheepin i be sheep i like that i like that i wow i love that y'all remind y'all please moderators remind me to steal that i'm i don't care i don't care i'm stealing it i'm not giving you credit that is an awesome statement i be sheepin i like that wow i like i be sheepin we be sheepin i be sheepin we be sheepin you be sheepin i like that i like that but my question how did you become a sheep how did you become the sheep well he just said it he just he just listen open book text open book test all right i got to deal with this divine scout okay his sheep who don't know the word can die peter feed my sheep the word equip them peter equip them wait okay that's not what the word means you're adding definitions uh the enemy roams around like a lion ready to devour the sheep without a shepherd all right divine scout how do you first of all everything you just said with the exception of the last part and you misunderstand the last part you made up without with all due respect my friend how did you become a sheep yeah i'm stealing again monkey i have not learned my lesson i'm stealing again how did you become a sheep it's literally right there listen it's not i'm not i am not trying to trick you i'm not playing uh jedi mind trick i'm not playing even bald head mind tricks on you okay i know i know the bald head can be intimidating i i get i get that part i get that but how did you become a sheep that is if indeed if you're like uh uh bro how did how did you be sheeping i know i i know how i be sheeping how we all be sheeping how did you become a sheep he says it the father gave if you are a sheep it's because the father gives you sheep a sheep all of us would be sheeping i like that to him the old way of looking at it the father gives the bride that's us to the groom who's the groom jesus all that the father gives will come and the one who comes i will certainly not cast out who may akbalo that means it's an impossibility to be cast out and this is the will of him who sent me that all that he gave that he is given by the way this is perfect tense he is given i will lose none i don't care how good or bad your math is i don't care how good a bad your math is you can count up to zero you can count you can count none that's this zero he won't lose any now i asked earlier about when do you have life when do you have eternal life truly truly i say to you that whoever believes that's you if you're a sheep has eternal life aka zoe audience so that life eternal that is you have it when it's present tense you have it right now say what in greece kelly say say that in greek again say what in greek again i don't know what you just say what in greek again you mean the um is that which word you're talking about um so you have it right now my friend i wish i wish you'd stop fighting the obvious i wish you would stop giving yourself credit i saved myself i'm a sheep who brought myself to the shepherd as a matter of fact not only am i the sheep the kind of sheep the smart sheep which is cool for your smart sheep but i'm the kind of sheep that's so smart so wise so awesome so holy i literally brought myself my all my all my wool and all clean wool i brought myself to the shepherd i'm the i'm one of the few sheep that brought myself to the shepherd and i shepherd myself when he's busy i help him to shepherd myself i do the shepherding matter of fact i bat even when i see other sheep leaving i'm a good sheep i'm about the best sheep you can ever find i'm a tough sheep wolves can't mess with me every i wish you wolf would so you think i'm this you think i'm deceiving someone um square vinyl i couldn't be so i asked the question how did you become a sheep how did you become a sheep uh someone asked what about the branch that gets cut down uh for not producing fruit we're gonna answer it because he brings that up he brings up this issue as well and so we're gonna deal with that so let's go back to john ten uh and so let's deal with this particular part he says my sheep the ones that are his own he says he goes ahead of them and the sheep what do the sheep do follow akalu thing i'm sorry akalu yeah i said it right akalu say because why do the sheep follow because they a sheep know his voice and then i asked the question will a sheep ever follow someone else other than the shepherd a stranger they simply will not follow and how's this written simply will not father is so emphatic it says ume akalu facebook which means they can never ever ever ever ever follow anything why because they don't know the voice of a stranger amen and thrown into the fire same gospel if god says my name is written in the lambs book of life he's not going to at some point in the future get a rubber and and rub my name out and yes he is in the bible says that so in revelation in one of the letters to the churches he who overcomes i will not rub out of the book of life real life is mentioned four times in the bible and three of those times concern names rubbed out now here's a question he said two things he goes over john 15 and he also goes over revelation let's go over john 15 i don't know why people go over john 15 because someone else i'm sorry somebody said you can hear me yeah my my daughter's asking me questions um all right yeah my daughter's asking me questions uh about something giving me to giving something to my wife so y'all pardon me but let's go over passage uh where's this passage let's go let's go back to john he brings up john 15 there is a passage that's brought up about i am the true vine and my father now it is true that if you do not let me let me say it clear for all of you that believe that you can lose your salvation it is possible it is stated and it's true that if you do not bear fruit he says to take you away you'll be cut off withered gather together and thrown in the fire does anybody believe that if you do not bear fruit you will be cut off gathered up and thrown in the fire does does anybody believe that does anybody believe this text you'll be cut off if you don't bear fruit you'll be cut off withered up gather together and thrown in the fire with the rest of the the branches that don't bear fruit. Does anybody believe that? I do. Wait a minute, Corey, hold on. I thought you believed in internal security. I do. I do. I believe if you don't bear fruit, you'll be cut off. Because apart from the vine, you'll be withered. You will just wither, gather together, and then throw in the fire. So yeah, wait a minute, Corey. That's what we believe that you can lose your salvation. That's not what he's saying. Let's continue with what he's saying. Why do we read just portions of it and then stop? Yes, you'll be cut off. Yes. Oh, if you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love. Yeah, so we agree with all of that. We agree with all of that, but let's just read a little bit further. He says, You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you and appointed you to go and bear fruit. So what are you going to do? If you are in the vine, in the tree, he says, I've appointed you to go and bear fruit. Now, someone's going to turn around and say, Well, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, that's for the apostles. Well, then so was the other part of 15 as well. That's for the other part of 15 as well. So don't give me that the first part of verse 15 is for the disciples. And then that passage, I mean, is for us. And then the other passage is for the disciples. No, all of that is for the same people. So if you want to say all of this for the disciples, fine. But if you want to say it for us as well, well, then fine. Same thing, that part, whoever he's talking to will go and bear fruit. He chose you to do what? To go and bear fruit. So that doesn't mean that I appointed you. It literally means I placed you, appointed you to go and bear fruit. And by the way, how do we know? Because other passage tells us that he chose us to be conformed and we will bear fruit. So that being the case, we have that. Then he says something about Revelation 3.5. He says that there's a passage that says that you can be rubbed out. Now this is British accent. Take a rubber, I guess it means an eraser, and rub your name out. As though it says, if you overcome. So let's go to Revelation 3. He says in Revelation 3, I know your English says, he who overcomes. Look what it says. It's Ha Nikon. Ha Nikon. That is those that are overcoming. So the ones that are overcoming. And if you, even if you want to say if you overcome, we'll address that in just a second. But he's not saying if there is no condition put here. There literally is no condition put in Revelation 3.5. That if you overcome then, because look, look what it says. He says, the person's overcoming. He says, I will never erase Ume Axalipso, which means I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever erase your name. Never. Why? Well, I see someone said, which is a good passage, but he that endured to the end shall be saved. I've got a question for you because I agree with that. Will you endure to the end? Will you? Well, let's go to 1 Peter 1, because he also brings up 1 Peter 1. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again. So all of you who be sheepen like me, all of you sheep, he caused you to be born again. You didn't bore yourself again. You didn't call yourself. You didn't do it. He did. He caused you to be born again, to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He caused you to be born again. Why else? To obtain an inheritance. Don't miss this. The reasons why you were to be born again, to obtain an inheritance, which is imperishable and under filed. And look what he says, and will not fade away. What does he say right here? It has been reserved. This word right here is in the perfect tense. Oh, by the way, it's in the middle voice. So it's for you. It's done for you on behalf of you. It's done in the past tense, not just passes, but the perfect tense and completed action in the past. So it's reserved your salvation. I know he can't hear me now, but he's, I believe I'll go out and say he's in heaven. Have no way to refute that. And so he knows for a fact. He knows for a fact that what I'm saying is true. His salvation is, has been reserved, reserved in heaven for you who are protected by the power of God through faith for salvation, ready to be revealed in the last. So now at some point in time, the fullness of this salvation, meaning I'll have a perfect body, never have to worry about sin again. That will take place in the end. But he caused me to be born again. And I want to read this passage to you. I want to read a couple of passes. As a matter of fact, I want to go to where's my first John pastor? Do I have first John here? Let me click on this. I may have called it something else. Here it is. Let's go to first John. Whoever believes the word whoever is pass. So all the ones that are believing. Here's my question. Ladies and gentlemen, I want to ask you a question, divine scout, a squirrel and everyone else. Do you believe if you believe, if you are a believer right now? So what we're talking about is right now. If you are a believer right now, right now, what time is it? It is what time is it game time? It is 6.05 p.m. Corey standard time or central time time. Either way, 7.05 in the east, 5.05 in the west. For some reason, we always forget about mountain, 7.05, no, 4.05, no, 5.05, mountain time. No, wait a second. Yeah, 5.05, mountain time, 4.05, I'll get it right. I'll get it right. Have no idea what time in Alaska, what time in Hawaii or anywhere else. 6.05 my time. Are you a believer? Because if you are a believer, if you are, thank you, Layla, she put it best. He causes, not we causes. I like that. You guys are giving me some nice little quotes, by the way. He causes, not we causes. He causes. So if you are a believer, he says, whoever the person is believing right now, and he uses the high-pitched wine, so it's a part of simple, that person is born of God. Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ, that person is born of God. Peter just said, God caused you to be born of God, to be born again. That's what Peter said. And Jesus already told us in John 3, you can't be saved if you're not born again. So the born again happens first, and then you place your faith in Christ, your heart has been regenerated. You've got a heart that's like, wow, I really, really, as a human being, I really, really am a horrible person. So because of that, I recognize what Jesus does, I place my faith in Christ, and this is real faith. This is genuine faith. So I'm a believer. If you are a believer, right now, it's because you have been born of God. John is just stating so. And whoever loves a father loves a child, so we'll also love each other. Now, let's drop down a little bit further. For this is the love of God that we keep as commandments, and his commandments, or his commandments, are not burdensome. This word for whatever is the same word for pawn. So whatever, whoever, all those who are born of God, what does he say? Squirrel, I want you to pay attention to this. I'm sorry, square, square vinyl, I keep saying it wrong. Pay attention to this point, because you asked a question. What about enduring to the end? If a person is born of God, he says that person endures, I mean, so it overcomes the world. You realize you cannot overcome and not endure. You do realize that we agree. If you don't endure, that means you were never saved. You thought you were because it's possible to have a temporary belief like Jesus says in Luke 8, it's possible. But what keeps us as Ezekiel 36 tells us, as Jeremiah tells us, and other passages as well, that what keeps us is the Holy Spirit that's working in us. That's why he calls us overcomers. And we are overcomers. That's why I go back to Romans 8. That is, he will cause whatever can think about something that can stop you from enduring. What are some things, ladies and gentlemen, that can cause a person to not endure? What are some things? Sin. Sin can cause you to not endure, right? Would you all agree? Sin can cause you to not endure. Not believing, let's just say doubt can cause you to not endure. Whatever, whatever you, whatever, you name it, whatever, whatever comes your way. You had a bad day on the job. Someone cut you off in track. Someone hit you. Someone lied on you. Someone stole something from you. Someone hurt you. Someone violated you. You got all these temptations coming. You succumbed to temptation. You failed. You lost it. You lied. You were the one that did something to someone else. Here's my question. All of those things that can happen to you or that you can do. All of those things that can happen to you or that you can do. Does any of those fit this category? You tell me. Which of those things that can cause a person to possibly not endure is not covered by all. All of those things that can come your way. Doesn't he say, doesn't Paul say that God will take all of those things, work with all of those things, cause all of those things to do what? What will he do with those things? All means all of that stuff. Cause all of that stuff to work together for the good to who? To those who love God. So even when you mess up, now how he does it, he's God. He will take that and cause it to work for the good. At some point in time, I messed up. You learn from that. You grow from that. You repent of that outwardly. Your heart is green for that. Something that happens to you. You are bound by let's say, and I don't know, you're struggling with an addiction. He's going to cause that. Think about some of these awesome testimonies that we see where someone has struggled for 10 years or something. Now they, what it is, it's an awesome testimony cause God loves giving us awesome testimonies. We don't like going through the awesome testimonies, not through the period of it. But when we come out, we look back like, man, I'm so glad that God took me through that. I don't want to go through it again, but I wouldn't trade that experience for anything in the world. Never. Orrin says, how does someone get blotted out of the book? Now he made a statement that was a Roni statement. He said that there are times where someone is being blotted out. There's not one time, not one instance in the Bible, not once where anybody has ever been blotted out. You can't give one example of someone being blotted out. Revelation three, John is emphatic that it can never, ever happen. There's a part where David makes a prayer and then also Moses, but he's talking about from a book of the living. Yeah, there's more. There's more than just one book. And so there's a prayer that David is praying to blot his enemies out from the book of the living. So too does Moses, but it's the book of the living. Oh, by the way, God doesn't do it at that point. Because you pray, Lord, kill all of my enemies. No, I might not want to know. I'll kill you before I kill them. I need these enemies here around to vex you people, to get you, to make you guys scream out for my name. Yeah, I'm going to leave, well, because what did he say? I'm going to leave the enemy in the land. Since you didn't drive him out, I'll leave him here forever. And they will be a thorn in your side, a prick in your eye. Since you don't want to do it, they'll be, I'm not killing them. I'm going to use them to bring you to your knees, to bring you to me. Oh, you mean tell me I can use persecution to bring it? Because what does, what does he say? He go again, he goes over all the things that you can think that will separate you. He says, what, what, what did, is there anything that can separate us? Well, well, tribulation, no distress, no persecution, no famine, nakedness, no perilous sword, no, but you think you figured out something that will separate us, huh? You, you are the person that figured out what could possibly separate us. Nothing, as he says, nothing, nothing. Why? Because he says, but in all these things, we are overwhelmingly conquers through him who loved us. And I'm convinced Paul says, Paul says, Paul says, I'm totally convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor principalities, that means everything got a lot, guys, everything is covered in this. None of this stuff, no principalities, no things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, no death, nor any other creative thing will be able to sell. Why can't you go with that? Why can't you just say go with that? Because you should, you should. Now, the problem that, and I'll start answering you guys this question in a second, the problem that he says is this, that he, that he neglects is Jesus makes this statement. Truly, truly I say to you that he who hears my word and believes, again, are you one of the believing ones? If you're believing ones, he says, and believes him who sent me, that person has turned to life. You have it right now. He has it right now. And look what he says, and does not uke erke ty, ice, ice crescent, which is into judgment, uke not, erke ty, come. That person will not come into judgment, but has passed. Here's our word that sounds like bacon. Meta but bacon is perfect tense. That person has perfect tense passed from death. You'll never going to die. This is Jesus making the statement. No Jesus, no, but Jesus, but if you don't do this, if you don't do that, Jesus has says, you believing now, you have already passed from death and will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, come into judgment, but you have life. That's what he says. That's what he says. Now you disagree, read the Greek and tell me otherwise. All right, let me go ahead and start taking some of these questions. And especially the people that said you're correct, you're definitely wrong. Then, okay, I'm fine with that. I'm torn between, Latoya Benjamin says, I'm torn between Christian or just believer in Yeshua, since the concordance also said the apostles in those days never accepted Christian. That's not true. That's not true. I don't know what concordance. Peter literally tells us that we should suffer as Christians. So yeah, it's fine, because you're a Christian. That's what they called us and that's what they accepted themselves being called. Peter said it suffer that way. Okay, let me answer some of these questions. Oh, can you explain apostasy? There is a falling away from the faith. Every time that you see someone where it says that person fall away or falling away, notice what they're falling away from. They're not falling away from the verb and there's a difference between a verb and a noun. You all would agree. They are falling away from the faith, the tenants of the faith. Paul says I've kept the faith, not Paul didn't say I kept believing. That's understood because how does the Bible refer to us as those who are believing? Not that we once believed or will believe or keep believing, but as believed the high pistol on. And so apostasy, that is those who intentionally move away from the tenants of the faith, what we know to be the faith. Amen. Where did I see that? By the way, Rand 0893 and Bernard, thank you so much for the super chat. Thank you. Explain the difference between indwelling and feeling. Indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is what every one of us gets at the moment of salvation. As Paul says in 1st Corinthians 12, 13, all of us have the spirit in us. He dwells in us. 1 Corinthians 6 as well. Being field Ephesians 5 is telling us that there is kind of this this yielding because we can do things that violate what the Holy Spirit wants. As a matter of fact, we can also offend the Holy Spirit. We can quench the spirit. Let's go to Ephesians 4. We can grieve the Holy Spirit. Notice what he says. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God by whom you were sealed. Notice he says, we're sealed. You were sealed for what? Ice and Maron for the day of redemption. Apollutrasus, Tracelles. So we were sealed to the day of redemption. By the way, this word apollutrosus is kind of a super, super-sized form of leutrosus or of redemption. We are redeemed, never be put back into slavery again. So we have been sealed unto or into the day of redemption. And if we stay in Ephesians, let's go to chapter 1 and let's do in verse 13. In him, you also, after listening, hearing to the mess of truth, the gospel of your salvation, having believed, and this is the part of simple, so you are believing, you were sealed. There's that word again. Past tense sealed in him with the Holy Spirit of promise who was given as a pledge. The Holy Spirit was given as an hour by the down payment by God for our inheritance, in view of redemption. Or there it is again, ice apollutrosus. So into the redemption. So therefore this sealing that you were given, you were sealed until that actual day shows up. So I'm saved, I'm wrapped, I'm bubble wrapped, I'm covered. And there's a down payment to ensure that that's the Holy Spirit. Yeah, but of course you can give a down payment and forfeit the down payment. You could with your bad credit itself, but not God. God has literally put the Holy Spirit as a down payment for you. Amen. Amen. More questions. Hebrews 6-4 is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared the Holy Spirit, five who have tasted. And in this past, we talk about it seems to say people who have tasted it and fallen away. So is he speaking of believers? He absolutely is speaking of believers. Hebrews is written to who? Hebrews is written to Jewish believers, which is why you see all this Jewish imagery about the law and about the atonement. And so their thinking is, well, you know what? I have to have my sins atoned for year after year after year. And his point as he's trying to comfort them, if you can fall away, if you could fall away. What does he say after that, ladies and gentlemen? He says, if you can fall away, it's impossible to be renewed again. So if you can lose your salvation, you can't be saved again. David Paulson doesn't teach that. He doesn't teach. He doesn't teach that. I'm pretty sure most of you guys don't teach that. If you can fall away, if you can lose salvation, that you can't be saved again. I'm pretty sure you don't. Now, how many of you all believe that? No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. The whole Testament is written to saints. No, it's not. First of all, none of it's written to you, but it's all written for you. If it's written to you, I would love for you to go around your enemy. Whoever you got enemies, walk around them seven times and shout. I would love to see you on the next day that it rains a lot, go build an ark. I would love to see you go walk on water. I would love to see you do all the things that you weren't told to do because it's not written to you to do those things. Were you told that you were going to suffer for Christ's sake so that someone was going to take your arms and pull them apart and crucify you like he told people? No, everything's not written to you, but it's all written for you. This is where we have to learn how to apply the text to our sales. Alrighty. What about struggling with sin? What does Paul say now? First, John 3.9 says that the person that practices sin, that person can't be saved. Absolutely. That person cannot be saved. But what does the Bible say about Paul? Because does Paul say he practices sin? Well, let's see. Romans 7. And let's go to 18. For I know that nothing... Yeah, wait a second. Is it 14? I want to start with me. Yeah, let's start with 14. For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am a flesh sold into bondage and sin. For what I am doing, I don't understand. For I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. Now, in 1 John, the word for practicing or doing is from the word point A-O, which is to do or doing. And so we're going to see two words, prosso and point A, both of them used here. And so he's speaking about practicing. And let's see. Do you think Paul practices sin? Whatever you describe as practicing is habitually doing over and over again. If that's what we mean by practicing, does Paul do that? What he's going to tell us, he absolutely did do that. He says, but if I do the very thing I don't want to do, I agree with the law confessing that the law is good. So now no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me. That is in my flesh. The willing is present in me, but the doing of it is not good. Look what he says. For the good that I want, I do not do. Paul says, I don't do the good that I want to do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want to do. So is Paul practicing the very thing he didn't want to do? Is Paul, as he's saying, the bad, the evil, the wicked, the sin? Is Paul practicing those things? Yes. Well, wait a second. Is Paul saved? Yes, he is. Wait a second. I thought we said that practicing sin means you got to go to hell. You have to look at what Paul says. Paul says, and he gives the key here, Paul says for that nothing good dwells in me, that is in my flesh, the willing, which is the Greek word for phileo, which is to do your will to desires. In other words, if a person is saved, let's say they're struggling with an addiction. They're getting clean, but at this moment they're not totally past it. And their desire, their will is to not do that. Let's say someone is struggling with homosexuality. They don't want to do it. They hate it. They're fighting it. They are fighting it. They love the Lord, which is why they're fighting it. Are they saved? Sure. But the person who also says they love the Lord and ain't fighting it, the Lord knows my heart. I can go ahead and live how I want to live, sin how I want to live. That's the person who's practicing because what does that person not have? He does not have, like Paul had, or the rest of us Christians, a desire to not sin. That's the point. So if you are sinning and your desire is to keep sinning, that means you are in unrepentant sin. Only you and God knows if it's unrepentant sin. Amen? Let's continue. Born again, sheep can be led astray or deceived. You won't give a passage for that. That's the problem. Jesus, here's a problem with you, divine scout. Jesus literally just said, Jesus literally said in John 10, that his sheep never will do that. So you gotta reconcile that. John 10, 4 and 5, he says his sheep never will go astray. His sheep never will follow another voice. He says his sheep will follow and they will listen and they will hear. That's what Jesus says. But you say, no, his sheep will go astray. Give us a passage where they go astray. Baldwin for Jesus, I absolutely agree. I absolutely agree. Thank you, Cecilia Williams. Thank you so much for the super chat. Let me put up your question. She says, genuine believers that fall away are not sheep. So that's true. That's correct. So, okay. I have a question who got blotted out. Let me ask you a question. If it's true that you have to endure and you're not sure who the sheep are, who the true believers are, what would you tell them? Of course you have to endure. Can I ask you a question, divine scout? Does God say that you will endure? I believe that one saved, always saved, associated with many other false doctors such as Pre-Trip, Rapture. What about Revelation 14-11? Many will wonder after the beast because of second longings. Well, that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. So I can't comment on that right now. I want to stay on topic. But if you're going to impugn one, say it always saved, you got to give us a passage. Here's you guys opportunity to offer up a passage that says you can lose your salvation because we literally cover that. But notice, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, notice ladies and gentlemen of the jury that no one deals with the text that I just said. When did Jesus say that you have life right now if you're believing? Are you believing? Yes. Who caused you to be believing? Are you a sheep? Who brought you to Jesus? Did you bring yourself to Jesus? Did Jesus say that you as a sheep will never wander away, that you will never walk away, that you will never stop? Did Jesus ever say, or did Jesus say that you will not, that you will keep following? Did Jesus say you will keep following? Yes, he did. Did Jesus say you will keep listening? Yes, he did. Did he also say you will not listen to or follow a stranger? He absolutely did. But then you come back and say, you can walk away. By the way, Michael Brown is the one that actually sent me the video clip, made me, you know, let me go ahead and cover David Paulson. He says, is teaching that a person can lose their salvation a sin? Is that teacher being a something black? A couple of things. First of all, guys, 90% of the videos that I cover or the topics that I cover are because you guys asked questions. And so that's where they come from. So this, so, but no, it can be because what you're doing is you're saying that how many guys in the chats you all over here say, you know what? I don't know if I'm safe. How can I know I'm safe? I'm not sure. I'm doubting. Paul says you'll have need for your confidence. Let me ask you guys a question. As the day is drawing near and near, don't you think we have, we need to be more confident about what Christ has said? It can be a something black but they're not a false teacher because of that. You could be, you could misunderstand something and be genuine about it. You can be, you can misunderstand something and be really genuine about it. I think though it can be something black though to someone. How can you stop believing? The question is, has there ever been anybody in the Bible with the Holy Spirit in them who stopped believing? It becomes an unbiblical argument because there's nobody in the Bible that ever believed with the Holy Spirit and stopped believing. Can you talk about Hebrews 10, 26? I absolutely can. I knew it was going to come up. Let's go to Hebrews 10. Let's go to good old Hebrews 10. I got it, I got it marked up here. There we go. Hebrews 10. Before we get to Hebrews 10, 26, let's start earlier in Hebrews 10. Matter of fact, let's start in verse 1. How about that? I'm going to read pretty quickly. The words on the screen, let me make the words a little bit bigger. Yeah, let's do that so you guys can see it. Make it a little bit bigger. For the law of sin, it has only a shadow of the good things to come. Verse 1, and not the very form of things can never by the same sacrifices which they offer continually, year by year make perfect those who draw near. Well, the problem is, you can never make perfect the thing the objects are us that draw near year after year. You can never do that. The old covenant sacrifices the blood of bulls and goats with a human high priest can never make you perfect. So the issue is never being made perfect. Ah, wrong to something. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered because of the worships? Having once been cleansed would no longer have had conscious of sin. So if you have been cleansed of sin, you should have no conscious of sin. The old way could not do that. But in those sacrifices, there is a reminder of sins year by year, for it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Well, if the blood of bulls and goats can't take away sins and then Jesus offers his blood and that still can't take away sin, well, then Jesus wasted his time, didn't he? Therefore, when he comes, who's the he? Jesus, when he comes into the world, he says, sacrifices and offerings you did not desire, but a body you prepared in holding burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin, you have taken no place. So all these offerings that they would give, they didn't do anything for them. That's his point. Let's drop down to verse 8. After saying above, sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin, if you have not desired, nor have taken pleasure in them, which are offered according to the law, then he said, behold, this is the Lord, he takes away the first in order to establish the second. By this, will we have been sanctified? Where is David Paulson? I know. I'm sorry. He says, by this we will have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Christ once for all. How many times will the offering of Christ, or how often, or how long will be sanctified? Once for all. Once for all, for all times. That's what he says. Every priest, that's not named Jesus, stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But here comes Jesus. Look, y'all, the Lamb of God who takes away sin, as Dutch says, for ever. But he, Jesus, having offered one sacrifice for sins for how long? For all time. That's past, present, and future. Sat down at the right hand of God, waiting for that time onward until his enemies be made his footstools for his feet. Huh, where do we see that at? His enemies will be made his footstool for his feet. This is him bringing up this whole point that's brought up in John, John in Genesis 3 about what's going to happen with the enemies of Jesus. That is Satan and death. For by one offering, verse 14, one offering he has, everybody, read this with me, we'll go a little slow. For by one offering that's Jesus on the cross, he has perfected. He has done what? Perfected. This is perfect tense. So it's a completed action in the past. He has perfected for all time, forever, those who are sanctified. This word, Hagiazosomenos, that is the Hagiososos, the saints, that's us. Are you a Saint right now? He says you have been perfected for all time, by one offering you have been perfected for all time. Please understand what I just read. I didn't write that. I'm just reading. Read verse 14 again. I sure will, Chaplain Trey. for by one offering, he has perfected. I don't know if you feel perfected, especially you guys with hair. I understand you got to take care of the hair. You got to wash it. You got to put shampoo on it. It don't always work out right for you. You wake up if you got somewhere to go real fast. You got to get your hair straight. I understand you don't feel perfect like us bald people. We wake up like this. But by one offering on the cross, he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. That's us. Now remember, this is before, Kelly said, yeah, it's exhausting. I won't tell you to cut your hair before you fellas go ahead and shave it. I promise you'll feel liberated. Ladies don't fellas. Yes, you are sanctified. And the Holy Spirit also testifies us after saying, this is a covenant that I will make with them. After those days I will put, look what he says, I will put my laws upon their heart and on their mind and write them. Well, when he does that, doesn't he say in Ezekiel 36 that we will walk in his statutes. We won't depart from those. As he says also in Jeremiah, and their sins and their lawless deeds, I will remember no, huh? I will remember no more. Did y'all notice what we have right here? We have a double negation of a future active indicative. Ume, this is the word for, remember, menestes somane, somai, I'm sorry. He will never, ever, ever, ever under any circumstances remember your sins. It's what he just says because of what he's done. Now, where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offer for sin. Let me just stop there, hold the presses. Where there is forgiveness of these things, these sins, there is no longer an offering for sin. So there never is going to be a need for an offering for your sin. I'll get you, Grace and Marcia, give me a second. There's never going to be a need to offer an offering for your sin going forward. Why? Because he says, Paul tells us we've been justified in Romans 8. So let's continue. Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence, speaking to your point, Michael, we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which he inaugurated for us through the veil that is his flesh. Since we have a great high priest over the house of God, let us draw near with full, with a sincere heart, full of assurance of faith, having our heart sprinkled clean. Wait a minute, where does the sprinkled clean come from? Well, that comes from Ezekiel 36, as well as John 3, sprinkled clean with water, sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast, let us hold fast, the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. Not you, but he is promised, he's faithful. And let us all, let's consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds. Not with us forsaking the assembling, going, coming together for church, but being courage, courage in one another. And all the more, as you see the day drawing, it's gonna get rough out there. Here it is, for if we go on sending willfully after receiving the knowledge, we covered this before. Have you ever noticed? And I may, you know what, if y'all remind me, we'll do this just briefly, I'll do a video on this next week. Whenever we see somebody who is walking away, apostatizing, if you will, falling away, violating, what are they violating? What are they going against? What are they walking away from? Something up here, the knowledge. Go back and look at it. When you look at what it's talking about, apostate in 1st Timothy 4, other places is talking about leaving a knowledge, something that you know to be the truth. So, for if we go on sending willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, I'm rejecting this. I'm moving away from this. After receiving the knowledge of truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin, but you just said there's a sacrifice for sin and there's no more left a need for there to be any offering. Well, yeah, for us, but for those folks who have rejected that knowledge, there is nothing. What else do you want? If what he's done for us, you reject that, there's nothing else left for that. But what does remain is a terrifying expectation of judgment. Think about the implication. There is no longer remains a sacrifice for sin. That means if you reject that, well, then what can save you? You can't come back and then say, yeah, but if you turn around and get your life right and place your faith in Christ, then you can be saved. But wait a second, that's the thing that you rejected. So you reject the one mechanism whereby we are saved. Well, then good luck with anything else. That's what you're rejecting. Verse 27, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire, which was consumed the adversaries. Anyone, here it is, who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three. How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled on the foot of the Son of God and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant? You guys who think the blood is just a cheap thing, how much is there for you? What's gonna happen? Not you guys, but those folks that just kind of disregard and treat the blood as a cheap thing and has insulted the spirit of grace. Now let's drop down because he's not talking about you guys. You guys who be sheepen, we be sheepen. I just love that. But you guys, he's not talking about you. How do I know? Let's go to verse 39. Now let's go to 35. Therefore do not throw away your confidence which has great reward, for you have need of endurance so that when you have done the will of God, you will, you may receive what is promised. For yet in a very little while, he who is coming will come and will not delay, but my righteous ones shall live by faith. If you are righteous, what will you do? You will definitely live by faith. And if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him. Wait a second. If a person shrinks back, there's no pleasure in that person. That's the person that's unsafe, right? But what does he say? But we are not of those who shrink back. So all of that that he just says, that's not you. If you are his sheep, we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith, but of those who have faith, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul. That's what you are. You have faith to the preserving of the soul. Let me answer this other question. Where does she go? Where does she go? Can anyone answer this? Please, someone made a statement that sin is not going up there to heaven, meaning if found in a believer, they said, God knows when we are perfect and ready to go. Is that true? Every believer is gonna be found to have sin. But what God will not do is treat you as though you have sin. Jesus comes. John says, he is the Lamb who takes away sin. He becomes the sin offering. Under this, what God has set up, whether it be under the old covenant, the new covenant, or even for us Gentiles, what it is, there's a system of atonement, whereby our sins are confessed on the head of the scapegoat. Well, who's the scapegoat or the Lamb that takes away sin? Jesus, all the sins are taken away, never to be remembered again. Then we have the offering, the blood sacrifice where the blood is shed, and God accepts that as a payment. And then anyone, just like Israel could do, if anyone has faith in that, that person is saved. And so God no longer regards your sin. That's why he says, I will remember your sin no more. You say, it does not say that whoever believes right now, it says whoever believes as into the, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. It says the hop is to one. So the person who is a hop is to one, literally what it says. This is why it would be helpful, especially for those that are gonna argue this point, because the Greek is clear. You are a believing one. That's what you do. You are currently believing. So it's a participle. So if a person, if in English you use a participle, if it says John is running, what is John doing at this very moment, at this present moment, running, he's running right now. And he says that person has present tense life forever. You can't get around it. And I don't understand why you would want, now you should be one of those who used to believe that you could lose your salvation. I was stuck on that. I'm gonna, you can fall away. You can walk away. You can stop believing. You can send your way out of his hand. Okay. Passage, please. Passage, please. Again, give me the passage. Give me the passage. That says so. And I'll cover your passages. I'll, if you think there's a passage that says no core, you're wrong. Give it to me. And I'll ignore the fact that you will never, ever, ever answer my passages in John 10, four and five, John 10, 27, 28, John five, 24, John sixes, six, 37 through 47. You have no, let no Greek leg, I don't find a Greek leg, or really an English leg to stand on. Ephesians one, one through, one, three through 13. You cannot. Romans 10, not Romans 10, I'm sorry. Hebrews 10, Hebrews eight, nine and 10. Or how about Hebrews six that everyone brings up? If you lose it, you can't get it back. No one wants to say that. Believing the gospel is the first step. Who causes you to believe the gospel, Moses? This is where I wish, now let me just be honest. This is, this is, let me just, let me just vent a little bit. This is my frustration here. JD, I covered Hebrews six, four or six. If you fall away, you can never come back. You will not fall away. He's speaking hypothetically to those to comfort them. You don't have to keep going through that they have atonement over and over again. But this is my frustration, Moses and everyone else. You guys don't answer my questions. How unfair, you guys never, ever, ever answer my questions. I wish you would. I wish you guys would answer my questions cause it's just not fair. I wanna see where you stand. Then you must go through the repentance process and being baptized into the gospel by Jesus in Jesus name. Whatever you, everything you just said is absolutely incorrect. Listen, if you was a four year old driving, driving the Honda down the highway, you couldn't be more wrong. Where's this process located? Where's this process? First of all, God grants repentance to you. Number one, if you place your faith in Christ, you're gonna receive the Holy Spirit. You are saved. You cannot be saved without the Holy Spirit. If you have the Holy Spirit, you are saved. How does it come by believing? You are repentant if you believe. You cannot believe, you cannot believe for salvation and not be repentant. How does that work? I'm not repentant. I don't mind sin. I'll keep sinning. I ain't that bad. Yeah, Jesus, you died for me because you supposed to die for me. Don't go on it. Think about what you're saying. Think about what you're saying. Moses, go back to the beginning of the video and watch what I covered in Acts 238. I can't go back over now, okay? I literally covered that. I've got videos on the channel. If you go back and look at the explanation of Acts 238 and look at how we covered the word and what the word and always means are sometimes mean. I just did Katrina. I just covered Hebrews 10, 26. I covered all of Hebrews 10. And so therefore, there's just no way. And again, can I tell you the most unbiblical thing? Can I tell you one of the most unbiblical thing? And when I say unbiblical, I don't mean anti-biblical. I mean unbiblical meaning it's not in the Bible. The most unbiblical thing is that the spirit is in someone and the spirit left them. The spirit was in them and they failed. The spirit was in them and they ceased to be an overcomer. The spirit was in them and they went to hell. It's unbiblical because there's no example in the Bible of that happening. There's no example in the Bible of it ever happening. You can't point to an example of someone having salvation and losing it, not one. And so because of that, your argument is necessarily an unbiblical. You can think about it, you can pontificate, you can give hypothesis all you want, but you can't give an example. You can't give an example. Colonel Sanders is unbiblical. His points are certainly unbiblical. Amen, amen. I would say this, Moses, I would say stick around, spend more time with us. Because we cover that. Matter of fact, that very same passage, Romans 10, 17. It doesn't say exactly what you think it says. Cause you think that hearing is a verb. It's not a verb. So stick around. So guys, I wanted to cover David Paulson because a lot of you guys ask, what do you think about David Paulson? Well, what I think about him is that his understanding of the gospel, his teaching of the gospel is wrong. Nice, seemed like a nice man, but flawed in his approach and his understanding. Very much so. Anyone else? Anyone else? By the way, the passage, faith comes by hearing and hearing. Let me just say this real quick. And if anyone else has a passage that says you can lose your salvation, if you want me to cover it real briefly, go ahead and put it up. But in Romans 10, 17, it says that faith comes by the echoate, which is the report. That's a noun, not the verb hearing. There's a word for hearing and it's not used. Why does he bring it up in Romans 10? Because in Romans 9, 10, 11, he's speaking about Israel. They heard the report and they've rejected it. He's not talking about hearing over and over and over and over and over, because if that's what the case is, all we got to do is just put it on recording and put it on loop and just keep playing it over and over again and folks will actually get saved. No, they come by the report and the report, there's power in it if they actually believe it. That's what that means. Because Paul is literally quoting Isaiah through all that. But really briefly before I go, is there anyone that disagrees as Corey answered this question, this question? This passage conclusively proves that you can lose your salvation. And please don't bring up Judas or Ananias. Please don't. Now, by all means, Mama Bates, you keep on listening. The process of hearing over and over again does do something for us, but our faith does not germinate or emanate from us constantly hearing it. Our faith grows from it though. That part does. Our faith certainly does grow from it without question. That Bible lessons and prayers, that's true. I agree. Alrighty, so I don't see an actual question that refutes. And so therefore, okay, relaxing voice. Yeah, when someone asks me that question, tell you what I was doing. On my federal tour, I was in prison. I was in the TV room watching. I was watching something. The guy said, hey, let me ask you a question. When you get time, can you go look up and see what tense of the verb listening is? I mean, hearing is in Romans 17, 10, 17. Okay, I thought it was a verb too. I never paid attention to it. Went and looked it up. Hey, wait a second, this is a noun. That meant something. So anyway. Alrighty guys, make sure, make sure, make sure. Okay, no questions asked. All right guys, love you to death. Hope to God to see you tomorrow. If I don't, if I don't see you tomorrow, or if we're dead, sounds more of it, but it's not. If we're dead, if I'm dead, then we are in heaven. I'm in heaven. Why? Because as my brother said earlier, we be sheepin'. We be sheepin'. I got to, I like that. I'm a sheep, you're a sheep. We be sheepin'. Amen. Amen.