 There we go. Good morning Erica. How are you? Hold on a second. I can't really hear you. Okay. Okay. There we go. My computer volume. I could barely hear you I'm good. How are you? Good. Good. Great to have you on the call this morning. Thank you Alrighty. Well, we'll have folks just getting on the call. It's it is seven o'clock and I do want to get started Well, good morning everyone My name is rich block and you are on the hyperlature health care special inches group general meeting call This call happens every other week at seven o'clock Pacific you should have in front of you our agenda for the day and Just as always the first thing that we'd like to do is Remind everyone about our antitrust policy and so I'll show you our policy here It Effectively it says in so many words be a good person and that's what that's really all about But please feel free to read through this document as well as the fully antitrust link Here if you want to get into the details of that Normally I'll ask folks to I'll ask someone to do no taking today is kind of a light agenda. So I think I'll cover no taking myself But for those that haven't taken notes for for us in the past. Thank you very much So What usually what we we like to do is if you're new on the call to introduce yourself talk a little bit about your interest in Blockchain technologies and healthcare and maybe a little bit about your company and where you're calling it from Is there anyone on the call that would like to introduce themselves? Hi rich, this is Susan Ramanat see of Spiritus partners. I'm joined by my CTO Bob Clint we've been active in Blockchain and healthcare for the better part of three years. We are concerned with The safety quality and compliance and medical devices over their operating life Quite active in the community internationally and happy to join the group today. Oh good morning. Great And where where is spirits is located? We're outside of Philadelphia, although we just spent two years living in Edinburgh Working with the National Health Service over there We have a development center in Edinburgh with grants provided by the Scottish government. So back in the States pursuing strong agendas with some leading US health systems as well as up in Ontario, Canada. Oh Outstanding. Oh great to have you Susan. You don't have a Scottish accent. So No more Philly Exactly East Coast exactly Well, great to have you and Bob on the call Thanks very much for joining us today and just as a kind of a kind of a quick quick overview If you're not familiar with the HC SIG We're an international organization of over a thousand members with interests in professional interests in the healthcare space and then sort of I always like to say we're sort of pre-filtered again With interests in using black chick technologies in healthcare And so as a member of this group and it is an open Because Hyperledger and Lenox Foundation are all open source. We're also open community Which means that those over a thousand members are certainly available to you and your organization As a resource to see fit and so feel free to communicate with them However, we may want usually we go through either email or rocket chat, which is Sort of a real-time chat similar to gosh, and I just forgot what it's called It's a Slack yes, thank you. I saw it there and I just couldn't couldn't remember. Yeah, exactly. It's just like slack So so yeah, absolutely and again, thanks for joining us on the call today Great to have you. Thank you, and I see Adrian on the call. So hi Adrian And yeah, and Adrian is one of our one of our regulars more or less. So good morning Adrian. Glad to have you on the call already been mostly Yeah, yes Alrighty Any anyone else want to introduce themselves? The rest of the folks on the call are more or less folks that I'm familiar with or our regulars certainly So if that said, let's let's move forward So we do want to go through a little bit on community. Excuse me on community announcements. I Just recently and this is a very new Received a note through LinkedIn There's an organization on these coasts that is looking for a full-time or contract position with someone capable of doing sawtooth development and the the only real stipulation is they it has to be us based and Really that's the extent of it. I don't know particularly if this is within the health care space or not And it just came to be I think it was yesterday afternoon. And so I I offered to sort of post that here And so if you are interested, please feel free to contact me either via email or through the rocketjack channel I'd be happy to sort of redirect you and connect you with that that person The reason why I post this through community announcements is it's an it's an interesting opportunity with a very specific need Looking for someone with sawtooth development experience and for those folks that aren't necessarily familiar with sawtooth in the hyper ledger sort of Spectrum of frameworks most of us are familiar with fabric Generally speaking the sort of the next full-stack Implementation would be sawtooth sawtooth being provided by Intel Mostly worked by Intel and sort of donated to the hyper ledger group and just as an aside initially sawtooth had a Dependency on the Intel chipset SGS chipset functionality Which is since been removed. So you do not need to have Intel chipsets to use sawtooth And again if you you or anyone is interested in sort of pursuing this feel free to contact me after the fact And I'd be happy to make introductions Does anyone else have any community announcements that they'd like to talk through all righty Well, I have a question for the group this Adrian I'm I'm as you guys may know, I'm heavily involved in self-saving identity work particularly as it relates to credentials and for clinicians and agents that are controlled or have a fiduciary relationship to patients and There are two Two industry consortia One of them would be the centralized identity foundation and the other one the hyper ledger indie groups With a lot of overlapping membership Lot are in these two industry consortia are both implementing Common standards that that we work on, you know from W3C Specifically and As you guys Probably know, you know, my my work is uses the health care use case to sort of inform the standards and interact with the Hyperledger in the and the IF and this this groups, so My question was just broadly The reason I joined the call partly is To see if that has come up here if any of this stuff that I just mentioned having to do basically blockchain identity and credentials for patients and for clinicians if that is Something of interest and in particular to tell people here that There is a very active discussion right now in terms of what's the difference between a hub and an agent and and Yes, and it sort of has to do with the kind of code and Practices that the two blockchain groups Are promoting again, you know, very friendly and cooperative way. This is not really a competition so much as a Search for understanding, you know, how do we want to use blockchain identity? You know commercially Yeah, so so You bring up a good point regarding a self-serpent identity, of course within the Hyperledger Indy is sort of considered the the you know the the Framework of choice for that Indy is provided by The Okay, goodness. I am I am not Sovereign foundation. Thank you very much and in in fact We do have occasionally projects come through that are exercising SSI I could tell you one of the subgroups Which is a healthcare interoperative subgroup that is getting spun up through Steven Elliot. There has been some discussions about Making use of SSI within the use cases that they're developing So that may be a sort of a consideration they may want to look at I also Since we don't really have a subgroup that is a hundred percent focused on SSI, you know It's the other option to consider would be if you're interested We could we could put a request out to the full membership and try to culminate a subgroup around SSI use cases And develop, you know develop a project that that really focuses on exercising SSI fully And again, like I said, I know that our HIS subgroup Our healthcare interoperability subgroup really has that is considering that peripherally, but I don't think that's going to be a focal As well and Wendy will can talk a little bit about this where we have a Development team that's looking at use cases and so it might also be an opportunity for for us to think about how SSI might be used as we develop our use cases and And I'll have Wendy talk a little bit later as we get through some of our ad hoc team updates But that may also be a way that you might want to find a way to sort of interact and develop out SSI thoughts as well Hey, rich. This is Wendy and I'm happy to talk about that later I wanted to add a community announcement There will be a hymns 20 Blockchain symposium. I think it will be in February of next year and There will be an opening for calls for proposals for presentations That will start Monday, August 26 and close on Monday, September 23rd And it would be lovely to see submissions from this group. Oh Outstanding so so when a you and I let's let's craft email to go out to the full full membership So that we can sort of document that and and get that out to everybody And just as an aside, I I think I think I'm I was sort of roped roped into speaking at hymns for next year Okay, and I don't know the details yet So I just I think I I'm somehow committed to doing that I and I don't know details honestly I don't obviously I'll be speaking on the topic of health care and blockchain healthcare But but what you're describing I'd like to find a way to see if there's a way we can sort of interleave that as well And that would be a good way to sort of make double use of my time there So I'm not sure that this symposium is going to take place at the global conference or not Okay, so I that last year well earlier in 2019 there was a separate symposium For blockchain, I'm not sure exactly how it will be structured But I do know that there is a call for proposals coming up and I just wanted to get everyone Start thinking about that so that they would be ready to submit a proposal Okay. Yeah, because this past year we had sort of the day preceding was was a full day of blockchain Events and it was outstanding David. Okay, as you know David holding Microsoft I thought I think chairs that or coachers And yeah, they did yeah, they did a fantastic job and I boy I'd love to see that happen again But I don't I honestly don't know details and again, I know I am I'm somehow participating that I just don't know the details of it So far fair enough. Okay. We'll talk offline awesome Alrighty any other announcements anyone would like to make Okay, well, let's move into subgroups and then for those of you that are new to the call So the way that this organization works is Our SIG is structured in tiers And so the top tier is general meeting which is really at governance In an administration and that's kind of what we're talking through today It's sort of a roll-up of the work that's being done sort of boots on the ground and from that perspective we have subgroups and ad hoc teams subgroups are effectively formalized around Areas of interest and in health care We generally think about sort of the triad where we have payer patient provider and that's sort of spin outs from there Where where the focal for those use cases Get exercised in in a smaller team of people that are very focused on on specific use cases And then ad hoc teams generally are where we have Sort of the genesis of ideas Come come forward Sometimes they will spin into a subgroup sometimes they are very specifically directed actions And so it's it's a little bit more again. It's a focus team out of the larger membership group And they are tasks with some very specific activities So as far as our subgroups go updates go for patient members subgroup that's led by Dennis Koskin out of Switzerland He's on vacation. I think he's in Turkey at the moment and I wished him well He did pass along an update and so that update is in the agenda So last week their meeting they talked about the permissions layer in their data and process side and they're sort of Rescoping their patient recruitment component And I'm planning to move forward with their solution So for anyone that's interested in in that patient member subgroup Dennis is doing a great job of sort of reinvigorating and Pivoting that subgroup away from a little bit different work that we had done earlier this year in late last year and There they meet every opposite week that we meet so we meet every Friday at seven They meet an alternate Friday at I believe nine o'clock in the morning Pacific So feel free to other contact me for details or go up to or it's up to the website in the wiki You'll find the patient member subgroup details for for for dialing it through that subgroup as well Anyone from the patient subgroup on the call today that I would like to add to that Hello, I joined a little bit late. This is Patricia Hi, how are you? I don't have a lot to add to that but I know I saw my name there pati. That's People call me Okay, I go but pati and he wrote it right even though it looks weird So I was actually I just came back from vacation. So I have been communicated with the knees via email and He gave me some assignments. So we're we're working on on this together And but at this point I did miss the last week's meeting. I was with family Somewhere in Europe Copenhagen and I Will I don't have a lot to report except that we as he wrote there. I think he wrote it here that we are looking at the Clinical trials did he write that? We did not write that there. No, no, but that's good. Thanks for that. Yeah, thanks for the update on that Looking at a use case involving clinical trials and patient recruitment Excellent, okay. Well, thanks, Patricia or our patty I'm gonna rename it here All right. Thank you so much. Well, great to have you back from vacation and thank you for the update as well So for our payor subgroup which is focusing of course on the payor side of the equation Rumi's Devon And I believe he's out of the East Coast Is I did not receive an update from him. They they met recently And of course their focus has been on developing Something of a of a white paper as it relates to Trying to understand where blockchain technologies in health care sort of fits in sort of a Flow chart of sorts So that's the work that they've been they've been working on And then for the health care interoperability subgroup Steven's usually on our call and I don't necessarily see him this morning but they this is our newest subgroup and Steven is in process of Building that out the our intent is to get that spun up very soon. I do know that Steven is currently working a Cyber SBIR activity and actually it's just done down an old business. We can get to that in just a moment So I know he's been sidetracked a little bit on another health care opportunity so we'll continue to give you updates on availability for Getting more involved in that subgroup again if if you see interest in Participating in in sort of this interoperability subgroup. Let me know and I could redirect you to Steven make introductions As that gets built out. I'm particularly excited about Steven's work in the subgroup particularly because this is Generally speaking our subgroups are top-down or we're looking at sort of application level solutions Steven's looking at working this bottom up, which is providing services so that other Organizations can make use of these layers on top of Hyperledger frameworks, so these are abstraction layers that will make it a lot easier for the sake of interoperability across a much broader spectrum of use cases And so so I'm really excited to see this move forward Any other comments or questions about our subgroup updates? Okay, well, let's get into our updates for our ad hoc teams So Ravish also leads our wiki redesign team So the wiki that we're looking at working at right now is is confluence This is which we made a transition within hyperledger earlier this year And I this is just this is just an ongoing thing. And so I always want to express this to to membership I'm always very interested to find someone within our membership team that has an interest in design and has some expertise in using confluence Which is which is the wiki tool of choice here to help us continually sort of refine our wiki and And the value to that goes to if you're interested really is looking at not only redesigned for For for our SIG, but this is an open sort of invitation to help look at Working across multiple SIGs and work groups within hyperledger or dot org proper And the reason for that is we are growing at a phenomenal rate Understandably and we're always looking for ways to improve member engagement particularly new members who are new to the community That may come to us by way of the health care SIG or maybe some of the other SIGs My personal interest is that they have the opportunity to sort of move across the special interest groups or across the working groups In a very fluid and facile way without having to sort of re-understand or reinterpret The structure of each an individual SIG And so that's kind of it's a very tall order And so I keep this sort of question open to anyone that is in our community that has the interest in helping to develop that It's a very it's a very large ask And ravish to date has has been helpful in making that happen. Of course, you know, we're still sort of You know grasping for that brass ring. And so so that's open to anyone on the call who would like to participate in that So as well are we have an academic research team? that Sort of moves forward and fits and starts just depending on where our Sort of priorities happen to be and where our resources are Adrienne Berg is our lead on this Adrienne has been off on sabbatical I think he's back as of maybe a week or so ago But the purpose of our academic research team is really to focus on understanding how we can engage academia and really understanding How to how to sort of Communicate or educate the health care community In the use of black tank technologies in a way that is done objectively and through Through more of a peer-reviewed Mechanism, which is what health care expects and the rationale behind that is health care and academia so are so tightly wedded That in a lot of health care communities and health care systems what what they look for is real evidence that Whatever the technology or or new mythology would be that it's it's already sort of it's been proven to some degree or exercised and in a very very sort of methodical and proven way And of course that's done usually typically through peer-reviewed journals Academic or scholarly articles and so forth, and that's the really that's sort of the genesis for this academic research team I'll also mention that this The notion of academic involvement is something that's happening at a much higher level for the the organization and proper and so I'm Excited to see that some of the work that we did sort of preliminary early here through this research team has sort of propagated up Into into into the hyperledger leadership group and so I suspect we'll continue to get some traction going forward in that respect Okay, Wendy. Do you want to talk a little bit about the use case development team? Sure, and I am pleased to see some of our members on the call today so We had a fantastic kickoff meeting on July 11th and determined how we would approach use cases. I think it's important to establish to the larger community that the term use case Means different things to different people and it's important to be precise in the way that we describe the activities that we're working on so Yes, and thank you for pulling up that paper I have read it several times now and I really think it's a must read for anyone who would like to describe their activities in a particular case So, so yes, you know, I'll just I'll I'll Underline that with a giant highlighter. This is an outstanding paper and I mean absolutely It's a great read and it really is absolutely educational for anyone and this is even outside the context of blockchain It's just it's a great story a great way to sort of understand what what use cases really are all about Excellent. Yes, and thank you for emphasizing that so after we met and determined that we talked through the differences between use cases and case studies and Determined that we would write up descriptions of use cases which is more based on potential than reliance on actual evidence I Reached out to the hyper ledger leadership because I realized that it probably isn't appropriate for us to Just start out and create something on our own Since we're part of the hyper ledger group I wanted to find out from the leadership whether there was a particular template. They wanted us to use a particular format Where we could capitalize on some of the hyper ledger Publications and exposure in order to get the word out about the work that we're doing and about any end products that we have and they Have responded but I've been out of the office for a few days and since I emailed So I am now catching up with them to find out more. I think it will be important for us to integrate a hyper ledger expectations again to maximize the use and so I hope to get more and then Submit that information back to this team as well as let the larger Special interest group know what we're working on to see if we can get some additional interest and support for writing these products Yeah outstanding job Wendy and thank you for for driving this and the meeting was really well done And you did a great job facilitating So for anyone that's interested, you know that the sort of stepping back the bigger picture here is We've we've come to come to the realization that there are folks in the health care community that are very new to understanding hyper ledger technologies and and as it may turn out use cases are a great way to sort of learn how How these technologies may be implemented and I always think in terms of You know that the notion there's a real there's a real power and strength and learning in context and use cases In some cases serve that purpose very well So so yeah, so this is a great team that's coming together and thank you Wendy for making that happen I imagine this is going to be a good fit going forward because this will be sort of a Very likely in some cases sort of that first level experience for for folks in the health care space Just trying to understand answer the question. What are these blockchain technologies that everyone's talking about? And this is this may certainly be that sort of a very initial learning effort And so I'm thrilled to be able to have us provide those sorts of resources to to folks new to the technology suite Great, and thank you for adding to that discussion Yeah, and and again that the paper that really is an outstanding paper and that the black chain Case studies paper that really is very valuable and thanks for sort of down selecting that because that was an excellent read Any other comments or questions about our updates for our ad hoc teams and again if there's you know, if you have an idea Again, we could crowdsource this within the community here And so if you know, you have a thought or an idea about how Something that you want to sort of pursue and you're sort of thinking independently like well, gee This might be an interesting idea for myself, but I don't know anyone else that that has the same sort of Sort of passion around it. It's very likely that out of those over a thousand folks or so that you you Probably are not alone. And so please feel free to just bring up the notion and we could find a Sort of crowdsource it fine find folks to work with you on your ideas Okay, any thoughts or comments going forward, okay? Well, let's get into some old business and new business and we really don't have a whole lot of information To go over But in short, I think I had mentioned this before when I was talking about Stephen Elliott's work with the healthcare and operation subgroup We have and it's just coming to a close. So it's this is probably the very tail end But we did have do have an HHS and it's a it's a cumulative HHS NIH grant opportunity utilizing blockchain technologies in the healthcare space and this is I Think it's it's a sttr What I call a sitter and also a cyber SB IR these are generally speaking the small business opportunities and I believe small businesses limited to 150 persons or less It is us-based and a sitter sttr is is a very similar mechanism, but it also needs to incorporate an academic institution So a cyber is a small business opportunity a sitter is a small business opportunity in collaboration with an educational institution generally speaking, it's a university or or college and I could tell you I've worked many of these that the timeline for these are always incredibly short And so the notion generally speaking is that if you happen to be working in this space where the opportunity comes up You're good to go particularly if you already have academic sort of ties with folks that are doing similar work You're doubly good to go Otherwise, it's just very hard to respond To particularly a sttr a sitter Sibbers are a little bit easier because they're they're a little more independent but anyway I'm hoping to get some feedback from Steven because I know they're working through his organization. They're working This as a cybers cyber opportunity and so Yeah, like I said, I I think he's probably heads but heads down even today working this issue So we're gonna kind of loop them back in I'll just say rope them back in and have them report out on the work that they've done against this As far as any new business goes we did report out so so we're obligated through the special industry to report out on a quarterly basis Just sort of the overall health and direction of our special interest group That's publicly available. And so our quarterly report is available here if you feel free and feel free to read through it We've had a great opportunity to sort of grow again this organization. I do always like to call out a special area of merit and I'll just I'm gonna put poor Wendy on the spot here special merit goes to Wendy Charles for helping to really move this the special interest group forward For those of you that aren't quite familiar yet with Wendy's blockchain article citations document she she very very Thankfully provided an amazing resource for blockchain articles. It's it's well over a hundred physical pages And it's a great resource for this special interest group As well as and you heard from from Wendy just a little while ago that she also kicked off our use case team for For the HC SIG as well And and we also were very lucky to have quite a number of speakers come and speak for in front of general membership And I'm very much thankful for those folks as well So feel free to read through this we do this on a quarterly basis It's an obligation that we have Happy to do it and it really gives us a sort of a running status and of course we keep we keep all of our quarterly reports I'll sort of point it out over here Cued so that you could sort of get sort of a continuing understanding of where where the special interest group Where the special interest group has been and where it plans to go moving forward And and that's a great segue into really kind of the general roll-up of Where you would like to see the special interest group special interest group go moving forward I always like to open this up and this is an ongoing question And it really speaks to where membership as a whole sees value in moving a special interest group forward If you don't see value in the existing special subgroups You're always welcome to spin one up And I'm happy to facilitate that as as as well as our ad hoc teams Ad hoc teams like generally speaking as I mentioned before a little bit more lighter weight They don't have the kind of overhead that subgroups have But can graduate into a subgroup if if if that sort of infrastructure is needed So that that's sort of it for for the week. I'll open it up to discussion conversation if there's anything that people have seen over the past a week or two in in communications or in the media as it relates to Hyperledger or blockchain technologies in general in the healthcare space. I'm opening up for discussion. Oh my it's mighty quiet This is Alicia, yes, so one of the one of the things that I see and I you know as you know, I'm involved in the A lot of the following startups here in Seattle and I kind of help people understand the healthcare system in order to get into Doing startups in in here in the Seattle area and I haven't seen anything Like this or information like for example doing something to inform some of these people that are working on Helping with healthcare in Gambia Grove So a lot of I think that a lot of people are not very familiar with it and Including me, you know as as we talked that we got that I got involved as you invited me And I think that there is a lot of opportunity to actually get a lot of people involved and interested in this space Yeah, so so so you're right. So just sort of as a quick background or at least yeah, and I know know each other by way of Cambridge Grove Which so so what's the best way to describe came your grove other? Of is actually can be a growth is actually actually they come out of insurance Which is a very smart thing to do. They created this healthcare incubator for healthcare To allow entrepreneurs to come in and take Technicians and people in in the software industry and you know computers and things like that to actually come into into there and try to solve They bring they bring panels of all kind of things in healthcare from providers to payers to Regulatory people and they bring them in and actually teach people about health care But a lot of the times they also do startups Competitions where they bring a problem Into the into the space Who presented to entrepreneurs to see how they can come up with solutions? So it's pretty much an incubator. Yeah, that's a great way to describe it I'm just trying to remember Cambridge Grove is is sponsored by it's a fairly large pair and I just don't remember who that pair happens to be yeah They're associated I think with Or providence I'm not I'm not quite sure yeah, and I'm I'm on I'm on my my yeah, I'm on my phone right now gone. Yeah, who are they? Who are they? Yeah, but anyway Yeah, you yeah, go ahead. It seems to be looking at it is Can be at growth dot com and you can actually look in there and they're I mean over 400 Startups that they can list a lot of people getting into health care Yeah, and you gave you gave a very good description of of the The the facility and it's a wonderful facility here in the Seattle area. I think they're also represented in the Portland area as well and again, I'd have to sort of follow up on that but I do I do know that they're Yeah, they're actually even Starting incubators in other places like Salt Lake City is the next place. They're going to expand and they're okay I think that the intention is to expand to other places. Oh good. Okay. Oh, well, that's good to know very good to know Well, thanks for that at least yeah, yeah It would be great if we can find ways to sort of get ourselves more sort of integrated in other opportunities Both here in the US and elsewhere. I'm in currently in conversation with One of the editors I think it may be the editor-in-chief for a blockchain And health I think it's called black chain and health care today And I think Wendy I may have CCD you on that and so please correct me if I'm wrong And I I believe her name is Rory or Tori Tori Sinash Thank you, Wendy and so we're going to try to get Tori to come and speak in front of a membership in the next few weeks or so and part of that really is to to to expand this special interest group into various other aspects of the community the health care community as it relates to black chain technologies and it's going to be reflexive because that way they can they can also see some value in and and Serving this special interest group because because our our audiences are very very similar and So that's kind of what we're hoping to do is continue to grow into special areas where we maybe haven't had an opportunity to do so in the past Rich this is Susan on that. Yes, Susan wait First I just was named to the editorial board of blockchain and health care today I Start talking with Tori some three years ago Made recommendations to about a variety of academics and others that are on the board So I think that's an important initiative because we're focused on medical devices I have a view to this In terms of overlapping agendas and I don't have a presumption about where things are among your thousand members Who's participating? But we're seeing overlapping agendas and trying to make sure we're introducing folks to one another and Particularly around standards, whether it's standards for blockchain Taking advantage of standards that are already developed in health care around data sharing more importantly initiatives that propose to develop standards for blockchain in health care, so I'm thinking specifically of GS one Which is one of the providers of the unique device identifiers, but more generally a standards entity membership based global that has product Data and standards location standards and like that are widely used across industries very important around supply chain GS one. I know the principles there. They certainly are concerned that Communities take advantage of the standards that they have IEEE has mounted an initiative around clinical IOT in developing standards there. There's participation as you might imagine from manufacturers communities like this one Interested not just around medical devices, but pharma as well Likewise on this the issue of Medical devices and software Amy the association American Association for advanced Medical instrumentation has gotten together with the underwriters labs you L to issue standards around handling of AI and ML and cybersecurity the FDA is keen to have a frameworks and standards there these bodies and our organizations Like yours very decentralized people come and go But very much overlapping agendas and I really think that it's important that the hyperledger community and particularly the SIG Be connected to that as well. So there are specific individuals. I Can provide you names separately You either recognize them as already participating or certainly could provide introductions. Oh Yeah, excellent Susan. Thank you so much for that. Yeah You know, we would love to be able to sort of engage with these other organizations and in part For if for nothing else to make it educational so that our membership has even the understanding that that these standards bodies are in place or in formation I Would argue that probably many people At least our membership are still generally Well, I'll speak for some percentage of many way are still fairly new to the organization as it relates to How these technologies are applied in the healthcare space and you know And I would I would suspect that the notion of standards are probably haven't yet fully been Understood or considered and so it would be great to educate folks or have the opportunity to provide education for folks and showcase different organizations here through Through through this general meeting forum and if people, you know, you know, look forward to finding a way to to work with standards bodies or to it certainly to just understand that they exist This would be a great opportunity for us to do so So I'd love to find a way to connect Susan and maybe talk more about this and and then Hopefully queue up some some speakers. So so we might be able to showcase some of these GS1 has been I think we have GS1 speaking Not in this special interest group, but in another I believe it might be social impact special interest group and I think that's happening next month and They they aren't necessarily talking about healthcare, but I did speak with I Forgot the gentleman who's from GS1 The notion is that we may Be engaging GS1 to come speak to to this special interest group to talk about what they are what they are talking what they were thinking about in terms of Supply chain as it relates to the healthcare community But outside of that, you know, I you know, it would be great to learn more about where other standard bodies Exist and how we might be able to engage them. That would be fantastic Yeah, so happy to provide that I've spoken to GS1's big event the last two years Just a month ago. So I certainly know that key players there and it is a global organization the IEEE Initiative overlaps a bit with something called big. I don't know if you're familiar that that is Subgroup of the IEEE blockchain and healthcare Group against some overlap there, but happy to provide introduction. Oh, that would be great. Thank you, Susan. Absolutely phenomenal This is this is Wendy and I just wanted to share that Erika beer Brower and I are both members of the IEEE Standards Development Working Group for blockchain and healthcare and we would be happy to provide updates as needed Standardization is not just for the technology. It's also for the data points and Each of the major regulatory organization agencies that oversee clinical research has published data standards and so OHRP less There's are mostly for disease registries But I'd be happy for anyone interested to reach out to me offline and I can connect you with some additional resources Awesome and you know and maybe jumping the gun a bit but You know this this this facet of standardization and understanding where our standards bodies exist Maybe something that we develop and ad hoc team around so that we can sort of keep tabs on this with a little bit more Regularity than we have in the past certainly As well, it probably would be great to again to expose that to membership so that you know We would serve as a resource to sort of redirect And make social connections to those folks that that are associated with these different groups You know stepping back a little bit bit a little bit At the moment my my overall sense for where hyperlegia.org sits My my gut is that we are probably less a standards body than a Group of folks developing software solutions Doesn't does not necessarily mean we're doing it without standards considerations but And again, this is just my sort of subjective read on it. I I don't see anything Inherent yet Or native to hyperlegia.org that is that is focused a hundred percent on standardizations And so I it may be just part of sort of the nature of the organization sort of you know That that's just the DNA of the organization Whereas I'll just compare that to IEEE which tends to be more Standards sensitive and so it'll be interesting to see how hyperlegia grows into that If they do decide to grow into that I'll relay a comment that I've heard in the past as it relates to hyperlegia and an aetherium Suggesting that hyperlegia tends to be more the The guys that are developing the software and aetherium tends to be more focused on setting standards And so I don't know if that's entirely accurate, but that may be a kind of a clue to Partly why we we maybe are less sort of aware or open to Existing standards that are out there, but that said Susan I think you're spot-on and I'd love to find a way to sort of move forward on that so that again We can expose membership our membership to to the resource of standard bodies that are out there Well, I hear it Wendy's comment and I understand that she and Erica are much involved and that's that's great I'll put my hand up to the extent you want to create an ad hoc group. Maybe we can convene offline and just explore the connections and bring some Focus to it Yeah, yeah, that'd be great. Thank you, Susan And in fact Yeah, I'm thinking Wendy will probably want to be part of that call and perhaps Erica as well So so so as an aside, I see someone drawing on our screen. Am I the only one seeing that? Alrighty well With that fine notion And and we are kind of close to the top hour. We've got about 10 minutes So I think we'll call it. We'll call it a meeting of thanks everyone for your participation as always a really good conversation and discussion very much appreciated and And feel free to reach out to me and again We we also I always want to talk about the fact that we have our slack like Equivalent which called rocket chats. It's available Please make sure to make sure to use that as a resource to you as appropriate And again, you always have the option to you know contact membership through our through our listserv as well And then if you have any questions always feel free to direct them to me And I'd be happy to to make introductions or redirect as appropriate as well All right, any final thoughts before we close out Alrighty well, thanks again folks. Have a great weekend, and we will see you in two weeks Thank you