 And so I'm all about creating those experiences where it's like, wow, that was incredible. And I'm not at creating anything at the same time. It's more of this idea of putting together the perfect location with the perfect food, with the perfect, like, you know, medicine and group of facilitators that are going to really bring people through a deep transformational experience that starts with the preparation all the way through the end with the integration, usually working with 5MEO DMT as well as EBOGA, but both separately. So those are two different retreat formats. Like, for instance, with the 5MEO retreat, we do purification rituals to prepare the person to go into this deep work with the Bufal Alvarius. And that includes doing to miss call, so sweat lodge, traditional sweat lodge, to really help them, you know, kind of cleanse some layers off to allow them to surrender deeper into the work. Boom. What's up, everyone? Welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Alan Sakyan. We are on site at Consciousness Hackings Awaken Future Summit. We are now going to be talking to Tricia Eastman. Hello. Hi. How are you doing? Such an honor to be here. Such an honor to be hacking some consciousness and exploring psychedelic states and meditation with you. Thank you so much for coming onto the show. I really appreciate it. And that was quite a well-synthesized. I agree that that is what is going on here. It's such a great group. Tricia's background, she's the founder of psychedelic journeys, altered states, the role facilitator, duty of care. We're going to be unpacking this. I'm very excited. Why don't you tell us who you are and what you represent? Wow, that's a big thing. So who am I? I've been in the role of medicine woman for about four and a half years now. I've done some very powerful initiations in Moon Dance tradition. I work with the Five M.E.O.D.M.T. from the Bufo Alvarius Toad, which is also known as the Snorin Desert Toad. I've been initiated in several traditions of Buiti, which is an indigenous tradition from Gabon, which is Central Africa. They work with a sacrament called Iboga, which is one of the most powerful sacraments, I would say, as far as shamanic as well as psychoactive experiences. A very potent healing tool, also being used for addiction. One of the alkaloids in the plan is a very potent healer called Abogaine. I got my start at an Abogaine clinic in Mexico called Crossroads four and a half years ago and have just really been number one. I feel that it's important to balance the sacred and the science. I feel that in our modern era, we have a lot of really beautiful wisdom keepers that aren't going to be on the planet for very much longer. So I try to bring in different elders and weave them into the different events and things that I do. For instance, I am launching a new project at Burning Man called Ancestral Heart where I'm going to be bringing two tribes from Africa, from Gabon and from Ghana to share their traditions, storytelling, play, music, drumming and ritual and ceremony. But nothing, of course, psychoactive on the fly. I really, we want to introduce people to the way of being and the wisdom that comes through these beautiful elders rather than necessarily focusing on the psychoactive plants and things like that. Okay, four and a half years of being a psychotherapist, is that fair to say? I can't say that I'm a psychotherapist because I am not certified for that. What I am is I help people really work through their trauma. So I definitely do a form of therapy, but it's not in the form of what you would find in a college and you receive a certificate for it. Yeah, this stuff is so strange. Like, oh, you get a certificate for this versus actually go through the process of doing it so many times, hundreds, thousands of times with people, helping them versus having a certificate. It's kind of like, yeah, it's funny. Okay, so there's been probably, what is it, hundreds of people, if not maybe even a thousand people? Over a thousand people. It's been over a thousand people. Okay, whoa, that's crazy. Okay, so before we get to science spirituality and the new Indigenous, because that's very interesting, what has it been like working with a thousand people? Well, you know, every single experience, I feel like we're all mirrors of each other. We're all mirrors of the divine and I feel like each one has been, you know, I like to think of it like when babies are being born in the hospital and you see that fresh new life that's there that is just so perfect and so beautiful. I feel that these processes, there's some really, you know, sometimes gnarly layers that shut off and that new person, they look different. I mean, if you look in like a plastic surgery office at the before and after pictures, some of the before and after pictures of Iboga would be more profound, you know, because that trauma, we wear that, that's our real makeup, like on our faces, the sadness, the grief, the anger, all those things, like we wear that on ourselves. Okay. And then the process of going through a session with someone like you that's working, helping people work through some of the trauma or and heal that that when when when working with a healer, the process of integrating that, how does that process work when you kind of see that what was what was being worn by someone that that trauma that was being worn that it how does it yeah how does what does that process look like when it becomes integrated and people have that fresh baby, baby face. Yeah, I mean, I just think about like how much like mental chatter is connected to each one of those expressions like the parts that most people would probably say are ugly about themselves, you know, that that they learn to love them and they go through the process of loving them through acceptance, through going through them, through feeling the feelings. And then once they've done that, the energy leaves the body and sometimes it's pretty intense. Sometimes they purge it out and they're like, wow, I see my dad's face in the purge pole, you know, because it's something maybe that that with some conditioning from their father. And sometimes they just feel really sick and then all of a sudden they burp and they're like, whoa, I feel better and they release that energy from the body. Sometimes they laugh. Sometimes they cry. Sometimes they scream outrage that they've been holding for, you know, who knows how many years where they're just like, and then, you know, once that's gone, there's just room in there and it's quiet in there. And, you know, it's a good place to live. And so they're happy because of that, you know, there's there's no reason not to be happy. It's like their home's been cleaned out. Well, okay, what's going on in like the let's talk of a couple things here. First is what's going on on the on the physiological side within people when they take a plant medicine and which plant medicines are we talking about? Okay, well, pretty much all of them have a story arc. And the story arc can happen really quickly or can happen really slowly. The stronger ones, it usually happens really quickly. And that's why it can be so intense for people unless they've done a lot of other spiritual practices or they've done a lot of other psychedelic shamanic work before to where they can handle that pace, or handle that depth of the pain and the things that they have to experience. So the way it starts is phase one is having to clean out the closet. And the closet is your skeletons in your closet. And so literally imagine someone's going through your closet and like, Hey, Alan, here's a skeleton. You want to keep this skeleton or you want to get rid of it. And if you want to get rid of it, all you have to do is let go. You're like, Oh, God, that skeleton's horrible. It's from the 80s. God, get that thing away from me. You know, that's not going to help you get that skeleton out of your closet. You've got to be like, Okay, I accept that I see this is a skeleton that, you know, I'm acknowledging what happened, what I did. And I'm going to breathe through this. I'm just going to face it. And then guess what? It goes away. You have to see it before it goes away. So then you go through that process of cleansing. And then once you're cleansed, you can't get into the spirit world unless you're clean. You can't get in with baggage. You are not allowed to bring anything with you but your soul and what your soul knows. And so then if you're lucky, if you did a lot of good cleaning and you let go of those skeletons, then you get to go into the spirit world. And that's usually where you meet your soul. You get insights around your purpose and, you know, the future and, you know, what, what the universe is all about on a bigger scale and meet guides and all kinds of cool stuff. Whoa. Okay. So some of the story arcs, depending on the medicines that's part of the journey, can be fast. Some can be slower, but almost certainly we're going through a process of the of skeletons. Yeah. Okay. And sometimes there's also the process of just kind of just diving into the oneness, into the unity. Into the unity. Yeah. And so, okay. Okay. So, so it depends on the medicine. Sometimes he gets shown skeletons. Sometimes you go into unity, kind of just depends on the, on the medicine. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It seems like with 500 units, it's more towards that. Straight to the medicine. I have another easier way. Okay. Yes, please. If you want to hear. Yeah. So think of it like your chakras are an elevator and each floor is a destination in another dimension, but your elevator is going to get stuck and not let you travel if there's trauma in the way and it gets stored on all of those floors. So as you're going through those different floors, you go up into different layers. When you get into the higher floors, that's when you start to dissolve and, and you know, the term drop rejoining the ocean, which is the idea of the ocean of consciousness where you become one with all things and you have less of a sense of physicality. That happens once you've made it to the sixth floor. And so that's where through the third eye, the soul leaves the body and is able to travel. And so when you go through these different floors and the elevator, you're basically stopping and realizing some, some things you've got to resolve before you're able to, to travel, you know. Yeah, that's good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so we, we, we resolve the, the traumas, the skeletons in the closet on the way up to the, and you said there's so many things that happen in that when, when we do merge with this unity, when the drop merges with the ocean, that there is some sort of a soul to whatever happens in that place that you speak of is, yeah, is up to I guess people's experiences. And is there some, is there a reoccurring theme that people feel when they dissolve, when they have the soul leaves the, yeah, where do, where do they go? Do they go past this 3D reality? Where do they go into some other places of existence? Well, I can tell you from my experience and what I've experienced, you know, witnessing others. And what I experienced is very similar to the Tibetan Book of the Dead. And it's like the same thing that happens when you go through the birth canal when you're born, all this pressure and then all of a sudden you pop. And that's basically what happens when you pop out of the birth canal. The same thing is happening with your third eye. You're basically going through the birth canal into the spirit world basically. Into the spirit world. Into the spirit world. What happens in the spirit world? So the way I've experienced it is there's different layers of these ashrams of consciousness. And these are schools and we're connected through our own galactic ties to specific ones. And then there's also ones that we can build connections with. And so when we're going into these different places, we're receiving, I call them light codes, which is just pure information. And you can literally download years worth of information like what would take someone, you know, the time it would take to get a PhD within seconds. You can receive like a lifetime of information. And so really the more that you can surrender, the most pure point is the void. And the void is the center of the entire universe. And it's the womb of the entire universe. And if you go there, then you get the complete soul car wash. So I call it, which is the reset. If you go through the womb and you're able to just be in the complete stillness and death of it, then you come out the other side being reborn. You get to leave some stuff behind and then you revisit that void. Do you revisit the void or do you just visit once and then you rebirth reborn? You can visit it as often as you want. You can kind of carry it with you on a moment to moment basis is yeah, I mean, it's the point of creation and the point of destruction. And so it's the ultimate place to go. Because all things are birthed from there. So anything that you want to birth you can go in and you can you can rebirth through that through that place. And then the ashrams and the consciousness schools and being able to, you know, what is it that we are part of an ashram? And then we say like, I want to go to playground earth and go learn 80 years of stuff. And then I want to come back and go to a play at a different place and keep learning stuff. Is this kind of the process or what is it like? I think everyone has their own path. And I think some souls will come to earth and learn specific things. And then they might go on to be a galactic logos themselves where they might go into one of these areas and basically represent the essence of that. And so for us to talk about it in this space, it's very different to articulate because the human brain is like a cache. It's not an actual knowledge system. The way that we are able to have like the great thinkers of the world are able to create these cords to those galactic ashrams. And so for instance, Einstein, all of, you know, the great thinkers that have existed the geniuses actually did that outside of their mind. They were thinking beyond this, you know, thing that's stuck inside our school. And they realized that this is just a temporary memory system. And within the system, we actually forget a lot. And we don't have access to very much intelligence. Okay, this that was such a good short bit on on on. Okay, then then you started journeying us into science and spirituality blended together and also the indigenous. Okay, so when I go to like psychedelicjourneys.com and I go and I visit your page, am I what am I learning? What am I signing up for? Am I going to retreat centers around the world and experiencing Plamas and journeys with different healers? Is this kind of part of them? Yeah. Well, I really am passionate. I feel like my life, one of my favorite things is I feel like all of us are ultimately here to create art. Like art is the highest form of expression as a human being. And so for me, I feel like my art is ceremony and being a healing artist, I like to create experiences that are different than anything else you could experience. And you know, when I worked in the normal world, before I was doing this work, I always had a saying that was like, I don't charge by the hour I charge by the awesome. And so I'm all about creating those experiences where it's like, wow, that was incredible. And I'm not at creating anything at the same time. It's more of this idea of putting together the perfect location with the perfect food, with the perfect like, you know, medicine and group of facilitators that are going to really bring people through a deep transformational experience that starts with the preparation all the way through the end with the integration, usually working with 5MEO DMT as well as EBOGA, but both separately. So those are two different retreat formats. Like for instance, with the 5MEO retreat, we do purification rituals to prepare the person to go into this deep work with the Bufal Alvarius. And that includes doing to miss call. So sweat lodge, traditional sweat lodge to really help them, you know, kind of cleanse some layers off to allow them to surrender deeper into the work. Okay, so all right, I'm I'm now someone that is wanting to sign up for some of the psychedelic journey stuff. So then am I when I go through the the portal and end up at one of the centers, there's a whole process of even pre and even getting to the center, like there's like a bunch of stuff that I have to do in terms of you have to you're like you're trying to set up this perfect ceremonial location, nutrition, all this type of stuff to make the experience exactly what it needs to be. The awe, some experience. And then there's also this like intake information that you need to know about the person. There's like, so yeah, so tell us about this process. So what's really important in the process is to really identify who are good candidates for this work. And so, you know, one of the things I was talking today in my talk about is these three spheres that I look at with every person to make sure that they're ready. And one is their own spiritual practices, whether it's meditation, yoga, whatever things are going to help them integrate, but also the things that are going to help them center if they're having a hard time in the experience. The second sphere is the level of trauma that they have. So whether it's high, medium, low, because that will also impact if they're able to even surrender to these two powerful medicines, which many would classify as the most powerful psychoactive medicines on the planet. And then the third is their experience with other psychedelics. Are they more of a novice? They've tried mushrooms one time in high school. Are they someone who's a psychonaut, or are they someone who's done a lot of like shamanic plant experiences such as San Pedro or ayahuasca? Typically it's someone who is on the higher experience level where they've had some other shamanic experiences and they want to go deeper. They want to do more work and they want it to be in a really well-held container. And so those are the ideal. And so I look at a balance between those three factors. You know, if one of them is really off balance, there needs to be a strong foundation in the other two in order for it to make sense for them. Because we want them to have a good experience and be able to receive the awesome that's waiting for them. Yes, yes. And then what are some of the when you have someone go through the process and then they're maybe coming in with some sort of a deep trauma. Yeah, so what are some of the things that you actually specialize in healing and integrating? Related to the trauma. Yeah, yeah, which specific ones for those that may be interested in both learning or as well as healing themselves? You know, the way I work with trauma is that, I mean, a lot of people have really, really deep trauma. And, you know, I've worked with people with, you know, just what I would call Holocaust survivor level trauma. Doctors have classified it at that level. And they need a really gentle, slow approach, which is really about powerful mirroring because many of these people who have deep trauma, they're running away so deeply from their pain and their suffering. And they have good right to, you know, if they with the suffering that they're because that's all stored in their body. And so it's a combination of really seeing where they're at, you know, what they're comfortable with, and being able to kind of doula the trauma. And I mean that as like, you know, like when a woman's giving birth, you know, you have those birthing contractions the same you have when you're releasing trauma in your body. So it's just really helping, you know, maybe it's holding their hand, maybe it's helping to move some energy in the body, putting some pressure on, you know, a certain part of the body that is, you know, where that where that trauma is stuck. And then sometimes towards the end, it might be helping that person ground by like touching their feet or, you know, doing different techniques to help them to come back into their bodies, because they just don't have those tools. And so it's about, first of all, giving them the confidence to see, you know, because they deserve it, because they went through that experience that they're able to release that trauma that they're able to face their shadow and their darkness. But then it's also the tools that they learn, and then also learning a new pattern of feeling your emotions versus running away from them. So it can be really powerful if it's done in a very soft way. And then there's a couple, there's a there's a somewhat of a routine that you follow with with 5MEO DMT and Iboga. Yeah. You mean in terms of beginning to end? Yeah. And how, yeah, beginning to end through the whole, yes, was it a week is the whole five days? Yeah. So with the 5MEO DMT, I do it in a format that I've kind of created that I think is a really potent way of honoring the medicine, which is doing three ceremonies over three days. And as I shared before, we do the temezcal first. And then we close it with a cacao ceremony. I kind of call it the medicines of Mexico because we're using Mayan cacao. We're using temezcal, which is, you know, part of the Mexica tradition that I'm initiated in and my blood, my family line, as well as the Bufo al Various, which is from Mexico too. So it's a really beautiful combination and really honoring the the lineages from Mexico and the traditions and the beautiful medicine, which I which I love so much, all of those modalities. And then also the iboga is done in two nights of ceremony. But we're also doing purification rituals beforehand as well, which we do the spiritual baths, which are kind of like Olympia. But it's a it's a design to kind of clean you before you go into the medicine. So both are incorporating the purification, because you don't you don't show up for the sacred, like you would never show up on a date with a dirty shirt. You wouldn't want to show up in the sacred, like all dirty. So the purification rituals are really essential for the process. And that is usually a five day process, both both retreats once five days, the others actually six days. Because we include extra day on each one for rest and integration. Yeah, you wouldn't show up to the date with the dirty shirt. And yeah, and you need a day of integration at the end, and you have this specific style of ceremony for both five and me as well as iboga. This is there's so much to still unpack and understand. I want to know on a on a like a neuroscience and physiology perspective, do you know what's going on with the heart or the brain during the times of like, seeing the skeletons and integrating them or during the times of bathing into the unity? Like, yeah, what's happening? Yeah, it's really interesting because when we work with trauma, we look at these circuitry systems that are regulated by the vagal nerve, which there are several points used in somatic therapy designed to reroute the energy and open up the space so that rather than working in an amygdala based system, which is the reptilian brain, you're functioning from the frontal lobe, which is more of like an observer type aspect of approaching trauma, you can still have a trauma activation. But instead of being in it reliving it, you're actually like viewing it like, oh, this is an energy that's leaving my body. Or this is something that happened that I'm now re experiencing, but not necessarily like having a reaction, not being reactive towards the trauma. So what happens in that process, typically, whether the trauma is being lived, or whether the trauma is being observed, you're still going to have an elevation of the heart and a lot of the physiological symptoms that happen like the first time that you had the incident happen, whatever it was, like maybe you thought you were going to die, or maybe you felt unsafe, or maybe you were just really afraid, whatever that is, maybe your heart started beating really fast, maybe you started feeling lightheaded, maybe, I mean, all the symptoms of high levels of stress. But the difference between when you actually are viewing it from the observer or the frontal lobe is that you experience it and then it's gone. As we're with the vagal nerve amygdala loop, it never releases, you just keep re experiencing it over and over and over again, and it never leaves. So it's there and it gets reactivated. So that's why it's so important to face it and release it. And it's great to have someone there that can do some touch that can kind of put their hand on your heart or put their hand behind your neck. And there's a point here, there's a point here, and then there's a point right there that can be released. And so the touch is really useful because it's like, okay, we're going to release this. Okay, breathe through it, breathe through it. You'll feel the difference like on the back of the neck right here, where it'll just like open up. It's like crazy how much tension we hold in our body that we don't need to that we can let go of. Yeah. And I'm still like, I've only been doing this four and a half years and you know, like the masters of this work, like the masters of the lineage that I've taught me, you know, have a minimum of 10 years of experience. And so I feel like there's still so much more, you know, I feel like, you know, lineages thousands of years of thousands of years of wisdom. And I have just so much like reverence for these for these plants and for the wisdom that they've taught me because I don't know anything, you know, the plants have taught showed me everything. And I'm really, really grateful to be able to share that wisdom and to be able to, you know, be a bridge for them to be be a representative. And I say that with humility, you know, I'm grateful for that. Yeah, the rock itself is billions of years old. And yeah, our little 25, 50 year old yeah, bands of yeah, we have to dose of humility is always in order, just crazy how much of the you can actually feel in the in the muscle and just a touch can do what a lot of yeah of opening and integrating and and just to be stuck in a that that neurophysiological loop of of of to trauma versus being able to see it from an observer and let it pass through. It's just wow. You spoke about indigenous briefly there. I just I want to maybe pass a little more time hearing from you what it's been like you said to people that you're learning from the lineage have again, you know, even more experience than they're learning from people again with even more experience. So it's this, you know, multi thousand years of lineage. What are indigenous people like you were initially mentioning at the beginning? What are they when you bring them into the the like you were gave us example at Burning Man and stuff? What are they saying about what's happening with Mother Earth and with the human race? I think the most important message is that what's happening outside is an expression of what's happening inside. And the reason that the earth is so much of a mess is that you know symbolically we have the sun energy and the moon energy and the sun energy represents us our external world and and how much we we project our energy outside of ourselves or when we're seeking or when we're taking action. And then the moon energy is about how much are we pausing and reflecting in words and asking our soul and connecting to our soul and tuning into our intuition and connecting to emotion and feeling our emotion. And there's a huge imbalance between the two. And so if we can't get back into balance that's where our earth is a huge problem and if in what I found is this connection between all of that for instance the use of oil is fire energy which is also connected with the sun to solar power. Plastics are connected to solar use of money on credit cards is the same thing so all of these behaviors all these things we're we're indebting ourselves and we're actually creating toxicity in our body the you know we look at all the plastic in the ocean we look at all of the toxins in the air all of these things our body is the exact same thing and we can't say just because we're richer or more privileged than anybody else that we can separate ourselves away even the people that that don't have the privilege to be able to buy an air purifier or take really good supplements or drink really clean water like that we are them like we all are receiving there's no way you can just say oh i'm over here i'm just going to take my rocket ship to mars and separate yourself from it there's there's no way because it's internal and it's just going to keep recreating itself until we solve the problem internally wow wow yeah it's this this mirror this uh this reflection of what we see that's uh some of the issues greatest issues of our time externally are yeah direct yeah of what's happening uh internally i think that's really profound and it actually ties us all the way to what you said at the beginning as well about how um through these thousand plus people that you've worked with that that there's a mirror that's happening as well there's like a lot of seeing what we see in ourselves and other people across the world some of the issues around the world are some of the issues within ourselves this has been a very interesting conversation and yeah and i'm really grateful that you're doing what you're doing and that yeah so psychedelicjourneys.com people can yes yeah okay such an honor you're amazing you're such an angel plenty more please plenty more to come soon yes yeah i want to i want to see if we can get quick question uh do you think we're in a simulation yes i think the word simulation has like the word itself doesn't it misses the word love and love is ultimately what this is about but imagine this you are consciousness just like i talk about these galactic logos that are like a different flavor of intelligence and love blended together in its own thing so imagine that there's just one intelligence and that one intelligence decides wow it would be really cool if i could water ski and eat food and have sex and take psychedelics and uh swim in the ocean and visit tropical islands and and drink coconuts and all these amazing things so it creates this world by splitting itself the big bang it splits itself into millions of pieces of itself and those pieces are all a mirror of the one and all of those as they split apart have an identity a piece and and that rainbow of intelligence comes together and it creates a server let's call it you know just just an overall server of light and that server goes through these different layers of galactic intelligence center suns and each one of those suns is a portal and eventually make it down to our planet where it creates these archetypal energies and that's basically what's playing out is we have these archetypal energies that basically are a encoding of a software system it's it all is a software system but the beauty of it is the software system isn't a form of slavery meaning that the machine is not in service to the program but ultimately love is the highest thing so once each part of that individual program recognizes that love is the secret then they get to operate within the game with complete sovereignty and they don't have to actually play by the rules of the game anymore although there are certain rules within the game that always remain consistent okay so the infinite consciousness breaks up into all of the the the pieces the play lands and then we remember that we are all part of that and then we get to play by the sovereign the sovereign game the sovereign game which is the game of love and it's so fun because we created this paradise planet which i've seen in the future it is it's a paradise even this one yeah it's so cool and then we get to just do all these awesome things and then when we get bored we can go be a galactic logos or we can go do something else and eventually you know the way it is is you know like i'll use the word god but god meaning something different than western religion but this is god's toy box and eventually all the toys will get packed away in exactly the order that they came in that's why all the energies are ascending and they'll all get packed together and then go back into source and it's all co-existing at the same time the toy box of god in this planet being one of the toys and yeah this illusion of separation from the one that we get to yeah and all the cool things that you get to experience all the quality that gets the experience here it gets packed in as we okay interesting yeah okay okay and then what do you think and so this so the break off of of the infinite consciousness into the from into the big bang you call that process simulations uh i don't call it simulations other people call it simulations okay okay okay you know i i have my own like the way i would describe it is very different than that but i but i think it is like a game it is like a simulation because there are um laws and you have to follow those laws and you know many talk about karma you know karma is a really important part of that law if you understand how karma works you will not suffer and that's where you can learn to have the freedom and learn to have the sovereignty and be the one having the fun in the game and be in here for the party yeah as in like not causing harm on to others and during the during your lifetime and that yeah and also your past karma you know what the ancestral karma as well so it's not just the karma it's karma that you've brought in as well as um not creating new karma for yourself yeah okay okay okay yes there's so much to unpack what do you think's the most beautiful thing in the world love of course yeah love the divine i mean the beautiful most beautiful thing is when we get to recognize the mystery of life when we get to realize that everything that we see no matter what it looks like is actually something else yeah it's all set yeah i've been the ultimate nature yeah of the reality okay uh that's it trisha holy cow thank you so much for coming on the show and teaching us thank you such an honor thank you medicines yeah and thank you to mother earth to this playground that we get to reside on i know it's such a cool experience being alive wow okay uh thank you everybody for tuning in we greatly appreciate it we'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below on the episode let us know what you're thinking check out the link in the bio to psychedelicjourneys.com and Trisha's other links as well and also get more conversations rolling with our friends our family co-workers people online on social media about what we discussed in this episode and also check out the links below 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