 Hello? Hey, Jerry. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Okay. Thank you Richard Lindy Pam Wang and said she was going to be absent Robert Heimerl and Charlie Wake Charlie Wake For a present and we have a quorum. Perfect. Thank you If everyone would please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it states one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all and do any of our board members have potential conflicts of interest with any of today's items Mr. Chair Marcus to value logging in here, I don't have a conflict just we'll let you know I'm here Hi Marcus. Thank you Marcus All right approval of the minutes for a March 22nd We have a motion Cherry Jones make a motion to approve as presented second We have a motion in a second any further discussion Hearing none. Let's do a voice vote All in favor say aye aye Anyone opposed sounds like the meeting minutes are approved. Thank you That brings us to Item 3.1 Revisiting the Verlo wall signage at 4315 South Taylor Drive if you wouldn't mind coming to the podium Making sure it's on it looks as if it is doesn't work and So if you've made some Significant changes and have a number of options for us to consider Yes, so maybe explain what you were thinking and if you have a preference for any of them or if it's Yep to us to Set a direction for you. Perfect. That'd be great. So option one was kind of what we are originally hoping to do to kind of We modified it a little bit made sure the dimensions were just right and that Sign me up made sure that we met all the requirements for height of letter and tonal signage For the letters for the size of the building So that was kind of the option one is kind of what we had hoped to do to kind of make it look The facade going all the way to the ground and kind of a more in depth Enhancement of that end cap unit Option two is one of the options that we had I Kind of had as we were talking the last time I kind of thought okay Well, let's get rid of all the extra facade and let's just take the white backing so that they have a place to run all the wires and Just kind of cap that a little bit in the cedar siding It would be less Less obtrusive I think it's it's more of a facade a smaller facade with a sign and Again, I had sign me up just double-check and make sure that we met the criteria for the signage application Option three the sign company said okay. Well, what if we just brought one of the middle piece down? I'll outline the whole thing in the cedar siding and brought the whole The cedar siding down to the ground It won't make the neighbors look like they're small or or So they just thought that was an option Honestly, that's not my favorite option. So it's And then the last page The sign company was saying that you can actually see the back of this building when you're up by the Walmart area And we have two signs now and so they said well if you're gonna go to the review board They thought maybe it would make sense to put a sign on the back of the building as well Because you can really see that part of the building as you're heading on self-tailor drive So I included that for your consideration, but I Guess my option would be I really like option number two I mean, I I'd love option number one, but I understand that that might be that might be too much So option one or option two would be what I would what I would love if it's possible Let's start with that south facade and and deal with that I guess first of all Steve for the signage requirements and restrictions. Yeah Is this is this on the side of the building that your business is on? Well the way they have This isn't actually where that they had suggested they put it on the back door above the garage door So this picture actually depicts it as being on the south side that the actual Sign would go on the east side of the building or the east-facing side of the building Where all the loading docks are yes, gotcha, okay, okay You know as far as that Square footage wise they'll just do the percentages and different things of that nature But if that's something that they would want to consider they certainly can do that And I didn't even realize that tell you said south side I'm like we're not putting a sign on this and then I looked at the picture and it's in the wrong place Yeah, so I'm sorry about that. No problem. I was just I didn't know if it was wrapping around the corner of the business But it's in the back. Yeah Yep, that was it that you had heard to tell us that would be visible from that angle or not Maybe so you you were saying that additional sign would be on the very back facade by the garage doors Not the side of the building correct not on the side of the building facing south It actually would be on the back side of the building facing East But technically because of the way that road tail drive curve so so abruptly there When you're driving south on Taylor Drive just past that stoplight you see the whole back side of that building and that would be at the very end of that building just Taking a look on Google Maps to try and get my bearings for that. Yeah Seems like where you'd have a sight line to it. It's a long way away. That is one of the concerns is you may not even People may not even know what it is and so that we're still kind of my wife says no In terms of marketing dollars, yes She's like effective that is she's like my only argument to back to her or even to The whole reason I'm even considering it. We already have the sign. We've already spent the seven thousand dollars on the sign It's already there. It isn't going to cost me very much at all to move it to the back of the Building and my question to my wife when she said no was what are we going to do with this sign? You won't let me put it in the garage at home. So So question to the board whether anyone has any objections with that back side of the building and that signage going there It sounds as if it's meeting the city requirements No objection Perfect Marcus any concerns from your end? No, no, okay, so I think we're in agreement that that south sign you're you're free to do You know, it's not the south side on the back of the building Whatever you'd like to there. Okay, just make sure it's confirmed through staff before it proceeds Can I ask one question? Would anyone have any issues if they decided to put it on the south side of the building by the driveway on the corner? not saying that Well, I think he's Mr. Fettig and I wanted to have any additional conversations if he looked at it and decided hey I may want to put it on the south side. I don't have any objections to the south or the rear Yeah, and I would leave that up to staff I'm fine with that Steve And that does seem like a much more visible potential location true so great Question of the main signage and the options presented Any strong feelings on any of the options from our board members Isn't like the most comical sense of one with the middle post I don't think that's a good idea, but that's just fine take up Thanks, I would agree with that Marcus. I think option three of all of them East Was very static, but going on that's one dynamic facade the arch it just was Fighting more than the others. I think I like the asymmetry of options one and two Just to confirm the white portion I believe was extending out to be deeper than the the wood look Just a little bit a little bit more depth. Yeah, it gives like a 3d appearance to it So I think then an option to that's working well, and I think it was that depth Piece that I was having a harder time with an option one I think option one is Possible, but I wondered if still if we were staying under the score footage Requirements if the white portion of that signage actually extended another foot or so So that on the left side it actually comes to the center line where the the transition is between the properties Yeah, yeah, that way that depth sort of wraps back to the building And then I would wonder about the same thing on the other side to just break the line at the window Those verticals just seem very strong and maybe breaking those up would just make it a bit more Fluid, but I could see that working or I think option two as is in my mind would be workable Thoughts from the rest of the board Mr.. Frederick Go ahead Jerry. Oh, yeah, my preference would be for if we're ranking my preference would be two then one Two as is one with the changes you outlined Thank you Dick we have a motion. Do we also have a second and did not hear the motion Dick's option was to approve option number two as submitted second We have a motion in a second any further discussion Steve are you all right with the option to mr. K? Yes, I like option two So we have an motion in a second any additional discussion on that? Otherwise, let's go ahead and vote Steve if you could make the call Joe Clark I Marcus suboglio Jerry Jones I Richard Lindy I and Robert I'm roll It is past awesome. Thank you guys works for you. So very much. I'll be perfect. It'll look great Thank you for making adjustments and coming back Thank you for your help Moves us to item 3.2 the proposed revisions to the submittal for Popeyes restaurant at 3207 South Business Drive You didn't mind coming to the podium and introducing yourself and then maybe the best plan of attack is to kind of run through the comments previously and what you're choosing to Change versus advocate to keep the same. My name is James Burkard. I work with Excel engineering So a couple of things that we did we raised up the parapet at the entry like was mentioned in the last meeting We added the brick Wayne's coat around the entire base of the building We adjusted the colors of the awnings to match the shutter color We added the wood Nietzsche ha around the freezer in the back to match the front and Then some of the coping colors change as well I appreciate the changes. Thank you the The one item that still stuck out to me was had been hoping that the fake brick Could be upgraded to actual brick in keeping with most of the other development in that area sure Presentation previously had indicated that might be a possibility. Is that still on the table? Or is that financially just not an option? It's still on table We we were hoping to maybe persuade you just to go with the Nietzsche house still I'm I brought in a couple samples just Have you kind of take a look at but real brick is definitely not off the table. We just Kind of hoping still go with the Nietzsche ah the familiar with the product and it's a good product just we've had a bias against the the fake especially the fake masonry and Trying to avoid a precedent sure We don't want to get stuck with down the road So if it is possible, I know I would certainly prefer to see the actual masonry there, okay But I do appreciate there's additional cost involved more foundations But if that is something to consider that is good to know other comments Yeah, James if I if I could add it also I think the premise of keeping that proposed Nietzsche hot product was just because going back to the Franchise or it is a little bit less complicated to get them to approve an expansion of the already applied Product versus getting them to both approve an expansion of the use of the product and a sub Substitution to another product so I was trying to limit how much we're having to get the franchise or to override There because this is their original design So we we do have some flexibility to push them to accept variances We just try not to get too broad with those So it's it's easy for me to get the parent company to approve the adjustment of just expanding the use of the product that they've already Dictated versus getting them to approve an expansion and at the same time getting them to approve a substitution of a product as well I believe that was mark Rodriguez correct mark Yes, sir, I'm sorry sorry additional feedback from the board So Joe deferring to you as the professional here, would it be more important for the actual? The the product that they're using or the expansion what which one would you prioritize both? We had originally I think requested to do more of the actual brick Including that that front section under the Popeyes sign under that window Where they have the vertical? Nietzsche house siding I would be fine leaving that Nietzsche ha But would really like to see that wainscote and those tower elements done in actual brick if if they can't do that and I think keeping the wainscote as masonry and then if we could keep a Masonry wainscote at the towers perhaps and put the Nietzsche ha vertical siding above that But then we're starting to change a number of things I like the consistency of the masonry and the tower elements just being a single vertical elements I Breaking those up with a Wainscote underneath. They don't know would be great I'm just concerned with that product in that location how it's going to hold up long-term Yeah, that helps a lot Because from my perspective it was more important to have the masonry to reflect the area around it than it was to have the expansion That's just my two cents. It's still not a huge fan of thin brick, but I would prefer that to the Nietzsche ha panelized brick I Think that the detailing on that just is more in keeping with with an actual brick finish Dick any comments from your end? No So I think it's there I would still be advocating for the actual brick in lieu of the locations called out currently as the Nietzsche ha brick But we would certainly entertain motions And see where we get to anyone So Joe just to clarify. It's a little difficult remote. I apologize for that. Are we looking at? Keeping the brick changing to the brick, but are we expanding it? Are we keeping it the same? So as it's currently shown the Nietzsche ha brick is the Wainscote material and the vertical towers at the entries I think is that's that material labeled. I believe is number one Anywhere it's currently a number one on the elevations. I personally would like to see it changed to the actual masonry If we start to get more convoluted and break up those towers I think that would probably require a resubmittal just to be able to see how that Turns out so they they have expanded the vertical Nietzsche ha siding around the freezer unit at the back It was previously just the exposed freezer Okay, so in my mind it's just the material label number one and what that actually is but I'm just one vote so can Motion what anyone else might like I for my purposes I'd like to make a motion to approve as presented keeping number changing number one to the brick In in the areas that's labeled number one currently I can All right, we do have a motion and a second for that Any further discussion I guess from the owner's side if that's something you go back to The powers that be and they can't do that is then brick. Okay. Did we say that that was okay versus the Nietzsche ha I guess I would go back Jerry to your motion whether a thin brick would be acceptable as a Substitute for the Nietzsche ha or whether we're looking for a full course of actual brick I prefer a full course, but in my just in my personal opinion thin brick would be fine Yes So perhaps if we leave the motion as is Knowing that we would like to see it as brick if management isn't able to do that to come back through staff to then Haggle to see if we'd be able to take the thin brick I think the applicant might want to say something mr. Outer yes Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't I wasn't trying to interrupt But I think we're okay with going back to the franchise or under the pretense of asking them to approve it as real brick I just I guess maybe would like for the sake of our development time window seeing if maybe we couldn't get a acceptance of using either the Nietzsche ha or a thin brick as an alternate if The franchise or isn't willing to approve real brick But we're okay with it. I don't think from a cost perspective. It's a dramatic difference I think it's more of a The labor aspect of real brick is really the component that it's hard to calculate, but As far as the franchisee side of things I'm perfectly okay going back to the franchise or and asking them to approve it as real brick I would just for the sake of time and not having to drag The approval process is out if I can get like maybe an approval to use that In the event that the franchise or won't approve it. I guess is maybe my question Thank you mark. I think that's a good suggestion. So Jerry if we could amend your motion to be approving as the actual brick With an understanding that we would accept The thin brick if management isn't able to approve the full brick I accept that amendment And marcus your second That's fine with me All right, so we have a motion in a second. We've had plenty of discussion anything else to weigh in on that And everyone's clear on what we're voting on Perfect. Yes Steve if you could please call the roll sure Joe clark I older persons of aglio I Jerry jones I Richard lindy I Robert hymerl Perfect that then passes great. Thank you very much. Thank you very much So so what you guys could do then is just uh, you have it approved You can go back and then if there is any changes what you can do is resubmit the updated drawings And I can confirm it as staff Correct. Yes. Yeah, okay great. All right mark Thank you guys so much. All right Thanks. Thank you very much Any other items the board would like to discuss before we adjourn? I have one item steve Just wanted to let everyone know Because of the election that just took place We will be meeting the uh fourth week of the month But the committees don't get set until the council meeting that monday. So the meeting will be on wednesday I believe it's april 28th if i'm not mistaken So again, we'll we'll highlight that on your agendas, but that just for this one meeting It will be on wednesday april 28th, and we will have an agenda steve Yes When when will you schedule this plan still for tuesday? Uh, yes plan commission will uh because the committees will be announced that monday evening Plan commission will still meet on its regularly scheduled time and date Thank you. All right. So then I would make a motion to adjourn. Do we have a second? Second Uh, let's just do a voice vote all in favor of adjourning signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye Anyone opposed? Then we're adjourned till the 28th. Thanks everyone. Thank you