 The Mac Observers' Mac Geek Gap, episode 680 for Monday, October 23rd, 2017. And welcome to the Mac Observers' Mac Geek Gap, the show where you send in questions, tips and cool stuff found. We are here to answer them, to help share the knowledge and share the love. And the goal is that each and every one of us, me included, we all learn at least four new things every time we get together. Sponsors for this episode include Sanebox, where at Sanebox.com slash MGG, you get two weeks for free. And if you decide to buy, automatically get a $25 credit there. That is a service. I'll tell you about it in a minute. But that is a service I am not sure I'd want to live without. I could live without it, but I'm not sure I'd want to. Also sponsoring us is Jamf Now. If you go to Jamf.com slash MGG, sign up there. You will get your first three devices for free for life, for free for life at Jamf.com slash MGG. We'll tell you more about exactly what that is in a minute here in Durham, New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton. And here in. Fairfield, Connecticut, the moment, Jonathan Braun. That's right. You are in Fairfield, Connecticut. As far as I know, actually, I don't know that you could be in Bolivia for as much as I know. Well, you could check my IP address, but I could. Easier to do that in the chat room, believe it or not, than Skype. Skype obscures your IP address for me. But yeah, then I could be using a VPN. You could deceive you or misdirect you. Yes, that's right. Well, if you told me you're using a VPN, then it's to misdirect, not deceive. That's right. There's a difference there. We like to be accurate about this stuff. Yeah, I was just thinking about, like, how meticulous I certainly am. I know you are, too. But like the sip of tea that I take while the pre the intro music plays, if I time it right, like I get go down, I get the tea, I come up, we do the thing, we chat for a second. And then we start the show. The temperature of that tea on my throat is like it is a litmus test for me as to how the things are going to go and things are going to go well. Yeah, I can tell you. Yeah. I know I'm insane, but it's whatever it's when I was you said, I mean, hey, conspiracy theories. Support them all. I emotionally support them all or emotionally. Emotionally, I can't. I can't intellectually support all conspiracy theories, John. I mean, let's be honest. There are some that I can support. But I mean, me, I'm looking for the unmarked black helicopters coming up with Horizon to. Yeah, they're coming. I know they're coming. Yeah. Oh, no, they're coming to get you. Yeah, New World Order, right? Yeah, meticulous and conspiracy theories. That's it. That's the that's what we do here. All right. Now let's get down to the subset of meticulousness and conspiracy theories. Felix has a question and Felix asks, he says, I have an iPhone six and I'm running iOS 11 in settings. I have photos. I run iCloud photo library or he must. He says I have it set to optimize my iPhone storage. But currently I am getting a phone storage almost full alert. And I see that photos are taking up nearly 25 of my 64 gigs. Surely it should be offloading these automatically. Then he he posits. He says I am wondering if this has anything to do with Dropbox. I did leave the Dropbox app open last night all night to back up my photos. Although I don't have any offline files stored in my Dropbox. Do you have any suggestions? Yeah. And I think you're right that it's Dropbox because. Let's let's walk through this together. But bear with me on this. So you've got Dropbox, right? And you want to back up all your photos to Dropbox, which is fine. It will do that automatically. It'll take whatever photos it finds on your iPhone and in your camera roll and all of that and it'll fire them up to Dropbox. And that's great. But here's the thing. Those photos have to like Dropbox has to be able to see those photos to put them up on their server. And if you have your phone, if you're using iCloud Photo Library, you can set as Felix has your phone to optimize photo storage, which means it's not going to store the full picture of all of your photos. It's just going to store the thumbnails for those. Except when Dropbox goes to each one and says, I need that photo, then iCloud Photo Library has to go fetch it from iCloud Photo Library and put the whole thing on your phone so that Dropbox can say, great, I'll fire that up to the cloud. And my guess is overnight that that's what Dropbox did. And so you've got because you've asked your phone or you've let Dropbox ask your phone to download all these pictures to it. It's saying, I guess Felix must need all of these here. So let me keep lots of them local. And my guess is over the next couple of days that will free up. I went through the same thing when I didn't use Dropbox to do it, but I used the Synology's DS Photo. And this happened with iOS 10 as well. It was just backing up to my disk station. But I had to do with the full backup first. Then it now it just does the incrementals and it's it's fine. It's not it's, you know, unnoticeable. But that would be my guess, because it's, you know, it's got to bring them down. And then it thinks, well, you asked for it, so I should keep it here. That's my thought anyway, John. I'll defer to your expertise because I am not a currently. Sure, I do not use this mechanism that you just described. But the logic does my logic make sense to you on that one? It just seems odd to me that the one service intended to do something is seeing stuff elsewhere. Well, but think of it. It just sounds like it's I mean, it's got to in order for Dropbox to upload the picture, it has to be local on the phone. And so, like, if you if we think of iCloud Photo Library is having the ability to cash content, right? It's saying, well, here's all your most recently used stuff, which, of course, is everything because you just uploaded everything to Dropbox. And so down it comes down and it stays for a little while until it says, I don't need this in the cash anymore. I got to free up that space. That's that's my logic on it. And it I don't know, does that make sense? Um, I mean, I have to go to the world. I take a different path. So I, you know, when I plug my phone in Dropbox says, hey, you want to grab the photos and put them in your Dropbox. And but I don't use iCloud Photo Library. It was the same thing would happen though, right? Well, right, you you just have the photos on your phone. Right. Yeah, yeah, I see. Because because you're not using that optimized storage function. I guess if anything, this is a caution against when you have multiple services. It is dealing with the same data. Yes. Are they going to? I mean, what they're doing isn't bad in that, you know, I mean, they're taking up space that you may not want taken. But at least they are replicating your content. Yeah, right. All right, you want to take us to Eric there, John? All right. You want me to take us? OK, OK. No, no, we got it. I got it. Let's make it a little bigger. All right, my dual fancy dual screen set up here. All right, Sarah has a really good question. So he says, or a comment. In last week's Mackey, you mentioned the new content caching feature amazing, by the way. I've had it on since I came out and now it's taking up about 200 gigabytes worth of content in quotes. Out of curiosity, I opened up the managed storage section that we talked about of the system information. And it does not take that space into consideration. It also does not show up when searching with applications like Omni to Sweeper, which we love. My assumption is that this is because I'm searching as me, not as root. And the files held by the content caching are in a folder that's inaccessible to me. If I were in a situation where I was running out of space and I needed to search restricted folders like this, what would you recommend? What's your recommended course of action? Can I use programs like Omni to Sweeper as root? Great question that we talked about in this past, but might as well talk about it now, because it sounds relevant and that Eric is correct in that, at least in the case of Omni to Sweeper. At least recent up until recently, you must invoke it in a special way so that it sees all of your stuff. We covered this a while back in an article from who did this? Jim Tannis. And it was Jim. OK, we're really Jim and it's called How to Find and Recover Missing Hard Drive Space with Omni to Sweeper. And in a nutshell, here's the key. You go in the terminal, you type Pseudo and you launch the app manually because you launch it using Pseudo that makes you like Super Guy. Or Super Gal on your computer. And you can see things that are normally hidden, which was the suggestion here. Here's the bad news, though, Dave and everybody. Unfortunately, it looks like High Sierra either due to changes underneath the hood and or APFS won't even see. At least my APFS formatted SSD under High Sierra. I had the old version. Oh, I was going to say, I think it's the problem. They've got some nightly builds that will work. Yeah, the Omni groups. And you're getting to the solution, which is looking at their page. They said, you know what? This may not even have worked for you properly under Sierra. Though, I thought I was able to run it under Sierra. Oh, definitely. I used to run it as root all the time. Yeah. Yeah. And you would see like spotlight. To me, the key was like spotlight and stuff. You would see that it actually took up space. Whereas if you run it as, as, you know, normal guy or Gal, it shows zero, which is wrong. But it's because you can't see that. So, yeah, so what what you said and what they say is if you want to get compatibility with Sierra or greater, go to Omni group.com slash more. And then they will have there the nightly test bills, as you pointed out, Dave. The good news is that I ran the nightly test build. And at least it saw my hard drive, Dave, my SSD, APFS SSD. But trying to do the pseudo trick resulted in the incredibly useful error illegal instruction for, you know, about illegal instruction for, right? Well, no, I'm like, I'm like, how, how useless, you know, this is a fish shake being a developer. But I mean, that's telling me nothing that I'm trying to launch their executable. And it says illegal instruction for the thing is it runs and it sees the disk, but it will not show you the system space. So the conclusion I can make right now, Dave, is that the guys who make the software either keep an eye on Omni group and and their nightly builds and they'll fix whatever's wrong. Like this illegal instruction for more. There are other packages. I've taught my head. Do you recall any? I mean, there are other there are a few other utilities that do a survey other than Apple's OS that do a survey of your hard drive and tell you where the space is being taken up. Yeah. So Brian Monroe in the chat room has recommended one called Disk Inventory X or Disk Inventory 10. So, yep, that's that's one. And then I always used to use one. I really I use OmniDisk Sweeper because I like the UI that it gives me. But DaisyDisk is another one that that I've used over the years that will do that. But I haven't tried either one of those in High Sierra. Brian Monroe is checking Disk Inventory X in in High Sierra right now. So we will perhaps come back to that before we finish this episode. Yeah, there's one or two others. One, I remember it was like wide or there was some word in there that, you know, made it pretty clear what what I was trying to do. So so but I will answer I will answer Eric's question. If you want to look at where the data if you want to look at the data for your content cash in High Sierra, it lives on whatever disk you choose to put it on, it will then live in the library, not user library, but the main like go to the top of the disk, library, application support, Apple, asset, cash, data. And in there, you'll see potentially many, many folders all with sort of unique serial numbers and then just bits of data in them. I haven't been able to discern what any of this stuff actually is, but but it's there. So that's that's where you will find that. So library, application support, Apple, asset, cash, data. That's where it's going to live. And the only reason I know that, John, is because I choose to store this on an external drive that previously didn't have a library folder on it. So that made it really easy, because that's the only thing in that library folder. So there you go. Yep. And and Brian Monroe says disk inventory 10 is running in High Sierra. So now I'm curious if it will run as root, unless disk inventory 10 automatically does that. And there you go. What size is the other one that Kiwi Graham recommends? So we'll put links to all this stuff in the in the chat room or in the show notes. Yes, John. No, there was one other one. But what's it called? I mean, it's when I update the show notes, I know there was another one on my on my on my system that does the same thing, you know, graphically shows you what's taken up all your space. But it's kind of a fish shake, Dave. Is it? Why isn't the UI telling you the truth? What you what UI? Well, in that the I mean, a general observation is that a lot of times, whether it be like your library folder within your home folder or or things like this is that the UI isn't necessarily or the OS isn't necessarily telling you the entire truth. Do you know what I'm saying? I do. Yes, some stuff is how much space is being used by this. And it's like, you should tell me it's like, well, no, I'm going to exclude this because I don't want you to see it. And it's like, well, no, I'm asking. Yeah, I just want. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, I would always run Omni-Disraper's route when I saw your answer to the question come in. I'm like, oh, no, what am I going to do now? So I have to find out. You want to take us to Bill, Mr. Braun? Bill, Bill's got another one, a really good one because we're on the high Sierra train here. We are on the high Sierra train. So I'm bring it up. OK, all right. So Bill, no, that's not it. That's it. There we go. There's lots of bills. And Bill says, yeah, I mean, Bill's everywhere to the right to the left behind me in front of me. Hi, guys. Can I use the Apple provided Mac OS Sierra 10.12.6 combo update to upgrade my 2014 MacBook Pro for Mac OS 10.10.5? All right, just. Yeah, that's probably repeat those numbers. Right. 10.12.6, 10.10.5. So 10.12 is Sierra. 10.10 is Yosemite. Yes. And so the question, if I'm hearing you correctly, is can you use Sierra's Combo Updater to update from Yosemite? Right. And I think as we and I mean, I we're kind of doing this in a loaded way. But but it it's helpful to look at it that way because we've had people in the past ask this question. Why doesn't the Combo Updater update me from previous OSes? And the answer is so the answer to Bill is basically no. No, it's not. It's not built to do that, right? I mean, the Combo Updater is built to update that OS. Correct. So the purpose of a Combo Updater and Apple isn't necessarily entirely. I couldn't find anything on their site explaining the purpose of a Combo Update. They just call it a Combo Update. But the thing is. Well, we're going to learn something, at least one thing today is that the purpose of a Combo Update is to update you within the same major revision of an operating system. Right. So because he wants to go from 10.10 to 10.12, because the 10 and the 12 are different, the Combo Update, I suspect, wouldn't even work. And if it did, it would totally destroy things. You wouldn't want it to work because it doesn't have it doesn't have what it needs because it's Combo Update. It's it's a smaller kind of delta thing. You know, Kiwi Graham in the chat room at makikev.com slash stream has a great perspective on this. He says the words I use are update versus upgrade. And and that's a good distinction there because with the Combo Updater, you are just updating that version of the OS with the Upgrader. You are upgrading from in, you know, in this case, he would want to go from Yosemite to Sierra. Now, last week, we talked about this and and you could not get. So so the solution is that you need the Sierra installer to get yourself to Sierra. And then you can go and run the Combo Updater for now. Where do I get that? Well, now you can. It's interesting when we when we published the show last week, that installer was not available. And we said so. And and we talked about that as a topic of the show. Yeah, it was like I went to the app store and I said, Sierra. And it's like, yeah, here's the high Sierra installer. Right. But it's like, well, where where's where's the other one that I used that I downloaded in the past. So right about the time we were doing the show, Apple pushed out both a knowledge base article and pushed the Sierra updater or the the Sierra installer, the full installer for Sierra back live in the app store. It at the same URL it was at, you know, a month and a half ago. And it just it was offline and now it's online again. And so you can go get Sierra in the app store. But I would I would caution all of you before you do that to ask the question, to have an answer to the question. Why? Because if because there is no hardware requirement difference between Sierra and high Sierra. So if you are going to upgrade and can make it to Sierra with whatever hardware, whatever Mac you have, you can also make it to high Sierra. And if you're going to bother to do the upgrade, I would I would do high Sierra unless you have just have a very specific reason not to. Maybe you've got something where the drivers aren't built for high Sierra yet or you have an application that's just not going to run on high Sierra that you know of, but otherwise I would jump. If you're going to bother to jump, I would jump all the way to high Sierra. That's my feeling. And, you know, I don't know. I'm I'm I'm with you. I see no. Well, other than the fact that the installer seems to be kind of buggy even now. Yes, that's true. If you can make it through the installation process, then yes, right, definitely go for high Sierra versus you want to take us to Olga and just talk through this installer thing that that's been reported real quick here and then and then we'll and then we'll go to Ken, John. Yeah, this was a kind of a nightmare, but Olga was not the only one. So Olga writes in again in the high Sierra thread. Hi, guys, I have recently upgraded to high Sierra and got myself a problem. My MacBook Air has a boot camp partition. I set it up so that the default boot is Windows. After upgrading to high Sierra, that has changed. So the Mac tries to boot with OS 10. Or Mac OS now, but it stumbles and gives me this window image attached. However, if I hold the option key during boot, I get to pick the OS to boot from. If I select the OS 10, it boots normally what's going on. Very timely. And I'll tell you what's going on. It's a buggy installer because the message that she sent a screenshot of. Thank you very much. It says the path system installation packages. OS install MPKG appears to be missing or damaged. So basically what's happening in her case is that the installation process aborted itself because it couldn't find something that the installer expected to find. Probably due to a copy from a disk image to your hard drive, Dave, right? Well, yeah, it seems to me what this is saying is like, well, the thing that I expected to be here isn't here. So I get this is a no and this is a known issue. Brian Monroe in the chat room notes that there was a buggy installer that Apple servers were distributing a few weeks ago or up until a few weeks ago. And then they they fixed it pretty quickly. But it sounds like Olga and anyone else that's that's suffering from this has that buggy installer so that really the answer is just go download a new installer. Yes, you have the right one and and you can you can do it. I mean, the other answer, if you're feeling adventurous, is that I did find on Stack Exchange people that ran into the same error. And there is a way if you want to dig into the terminal to do the work that the installer was supposed to do. And that basically the the the resolution is that. Well, I'm with you. The thing is, again, if you want to get adventurous, you can go in the terminal, manually copy this stuff from that the installer should have copied, but didn't. And then it'll work. But I'm with you as. Yeah, you got up. Yeah, just just easier thing. If you can put it, if you can put up with the amount of time taken to redownload the installer is it's just do that. Yeah. And you know, that's kind of a finger rag, Dave. I have as well is that I've been looking at helping people with installer high Sierra installer problems. The thing is, if you go to the high Sierra page in the app store and you try to download it, the only version information you get on the page in the app store is it says 10 dot 13. Right. And that's what you will always get, even though. And that's disappointing to me, because when you download the actual installer and you do a get info on the finder, there is another number, which is like a finer grained version. And I've actually used that to help people solve problems. I'm like, well, do you have, you know, dot 46 and they're like, yeah. And I'm like, oh, well, no, you got to get that. I forget the exact numbers. But the thing is that those numbers have been creeping up depending on where you download the installer from. So anybody here's some advice and this sort of, you know, we have listeners that go all the way from, you know, novice, but want to know more users, which is great all the way up to consultants that help everybody to, you know, folks that rep at enterprises. And then actually there's some folks at Apple that write this stuff that we're talking about that also listen. But this is advice for all of you if you went and got the high Sierra installer, even if your Mac is functional, if you're someone and really everyone I advise to do this, if you're someone who has saved off a copy of that installer somewhere, either on a USB disk to boot from or, you know, on your NAS drive somewhere to archive, go get a new copy now from the app store so that you're not four months from now pulling out this old copy that's buggy potentially and using it and then running into this problem all over again. So so and I need to do that for myself. I have not updated my, you know, my archive. I have smart. That's really smart. And I concur. It's it's sad that we have to do this. But yeah, things happen. Yeah, bugs happen. Yeah, exactly. It's dollars. So totally. Yeah. All right. So I'm a high Sierra. Other than high Sierra and my having a weird crashing problem. So we have had some people that wanted downgrade to Sierra, though. And who listener Ken was was one of them. And Ken actually helped us find the the link he pointed to it. When when this when this happened, he sent us the link, which is great to have all that stuff. He oh, where are we here? I got to find the right can because there's so many things here. But he said he sent in a question. He said, look, I upgraded to Sierra or high Sierra. But now I need to go back because I need to run some software that isn't compatible with high Sierra yet. Fine. So he found this installer. He downloaded it. He ran the installer and it says this copy of the install Mac OS application is too old to be opened on this version of Mac OS, he says, it looks like I can't downgrade to Sierra at all. And you are right. You can't because let's think about this. The Sierra installer is built to upgrade from. Anything either from nothing or from anything up to and including Sierra because it knows all about all the previous operating systems. It knows which of its files it should move out of the way. It knows which it should delete. It knows which it should keep. And then it puts itself where it's supposed to be. And and there's a lot that goes on when Apple builds these installers because it's like, OK, what's the true difference between these operating systems? How much of it should we move out of the way? Where does it live? All of that stuff. What the Sierra installer doesn't know about is anything that comes after it. And today that means high Sierra. So when you run the Sierra installer, it wisely stops and says, whoa, I don't know where I am right now. I've never seen this before. I'm not built to do this. I'm not going to run the frustrating part is that means if you want to downgrade from high Sierra to Sierra or even down to El Capitan, you have to wipe your drive back up first, please back up first. And you have to wipe your drive, right? And and start from scratch and then restore your data and go from there. So so, yeah, that's that is the unfortunately, that's once you've upgraded, you can't go back without starting from scratch. Right? Unless I'm missing something, right, John? In theory, technically, they could upgrade. Oh, they could. The installer to be able to. Sure. You know, Windows, they just actually has kind of a version of this is that you can you can go to restore points within Windows to restore prior system states. I don't think crossing OS boundaries. Yeah, you know, but within a invocation of the OS, you can say, hey, you know, something bad happened. Can you go back to this other state that the OS was in? And it'll be like, oh, sure. Yeah, right. Back OS or or Unix in general, he really doesn't have that Windows does. And sometimes it helps, like you install a bad driver or something. It's like, oh, what can you go back to when it didn't exist? So the system runs and it's like, yeah, OK. Well, you can do that with APFS. I mean, it it'll do snapshots. And that's a very interesting benefit of APFS. Yep. That we'll have to see when we can. Yeah, well, when we can write when there's software that lets us actually do that, right? That's right. Yeah. Ken sent in a second question. And so since I have it open, I'm going to answer it for him here. He says, is there an iOS app to set a schedule for the auto lock on my iPhone during the day? He says, I set it to never auto lock. And at night, I set it to one minute. I can't find an app that could set an auto lock schedule. Is there any such thing? And the answer is no. Apple does not make this scriptable. No way, because there's a security implication there, right? I mean, they're not going to expose that via a URL or something that some app could get in and change your auto lock settings so that perhaps it never locks and then your phone is less secure. OK. I mean, the only thing I thought of off top of my head is maybe workflow would let you do it, but maybe it doesn't have access to that. Workflow doesn't, but and I don't think it ever will. But the good news is that workflow, which is an iOS app built by a third party that was then acquired by Apple because it's now an Apple product. There's hope that it might get access to some of those APIs that it previously couldn't. But I don't think it would ever get this one. And the reason I say that is because I tried Apple's existing scripting application or interface, which is called Siri, right? And I said to Siri, let me say it was actually what I said. I said, set auto lock to five minutes and it came back and it says, I can't do that, Dave. But you can change it in settings and it gave me a link to go straight to auto lock settings. So that that's the shortcut there is, you know, at least then you don't have to dig through all your settings. All right. And yes, I did answer like hell because, you know, I was just cracking up for those that have not seen. I can't do that. 2001. Yeah. I'm sure Siri gets a kick out of telling me exactly that. I think I asked her once, tell me about how and she's like, yeah, I really can't talk about that. That's right. Hey, Al is just a disappointment to the whole AI community. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I do want to thank our premium subscribers. If you go to MacKicab.com slash premium, that's where those of you that wish to can support us directly here at MacKicab Central and and many of you have this week. We got there's quite a few of you that either renewed or contributed one time donations to us and we really appreciate it. I want to thank you all on the biannual $25 plan. 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So we will put a link in the show notes to that Mac OS Sierra installer App Store link, which is great. Last week, we talked about QR codes in iOS 11's new camera because that's, you know, handy. And listener Paul wrote in and he said, I wanted to tell you about an iOS app called Visual Codes that allows you to create QR codes from snippets of information. For example, I've created a QR code of my guest Wi-Fi password and stuck it on the back of a cupboard in my kitchen so that friends who come to my house who can't use iOS's new share password feature can scan the code I've created to get the guest Wi-Fi password instead of having to type it out. That's pretty good. I like actually, I mean, I like the app, but I also really like that use case of it. That's what a smart, what a smart thing. I like it. So we'll put a link to that in the show notes. Thanks, Paul. Anything on that to before we jump on, John? No, I dig barcodes. I love barcodes. Yeah, it's fun. There's so much information that is hidden. Yes. Yes, we just have the right tools. You can see you'll much listener JP has something to say. So we'll let him go ahead and say, John. Hey, John and Dave, pilot Pete. It's JP from California with a quickie. Cool stuff, tidbit, whatever you want to call it. Quick tip tip. That's it tip. Remember, I ranted about how Apple changed the. Uh, what the mission control button does on the iPhone, where you really aren't turning off your Wi-Fi radio or Bluetooth, you're just merely disconnecting them from whatever network it's attached to. Anyway, you know, two step process, almost three pushes to do it. And in the old days, it was a swipe up and one touch. So I've resorted to using, here's the tip. I've resorted to using Siri to turn the Wi-Fi radio off, which is brilliant because, again, I hold the button down once. I say turn off Wi-Fi and old Siri does the job for me, thereby making me free not to have to dig through my system prefs, scroll, find the off button, etc. There you have it. Thanks JP. Just remember that turning off Wi-Fi and turning off Bluetooth will make it so that things like your Apple Pencil and AirDrop and a few other services just won't work in addition to not being able to connect to anything Wi-Fi or Bluetooth. Yeah, and they also reduce location accuracy. It may also reduce. My phone has yelled at me. Numerous times. Yes, that's right. Cool. Hey John, I found, I don't know, I was digging around on the web looking for something and I found this app that you're going to love. You can't use it right now though, because we have a show to do, but it's called Network Multimeter. Hold on, hold on, hold on. It's called Network Multimeter and what's cool is you start this thing up and it starts either downloading or doing a ping test. You can set which mode you want it in, but the download just keeps going and the idea is you put it on your iPhone and you walk around your house and see how your download speed changes at different areas as you're moving. So you don't have to like go to a spot, start the test, see what happens. Move to another spot, start the test, see what happens. So it's a real time network throughput measurement tool. Correct. But, and you can change the download. Which I like because there are things like site survey tools and all that. You do spot measurements, but this is doing a constant measurement which does probably the right way to do it. Yep. And it will, by default I think it's downloading like some big Mondo iTunes installer or something from Apple, but you can change the download URL to be something local, right? So you could point it at say a file on your disk station, right? And that way you're testing your local network and you're able to move around and all of that stuff to kind of see it. So there you go. I like it because the tools that we talked about in the past like Netspot is one of them that do site surveys which basically give you the RF parameters is certainly useful in that, you know, the better signal you get, but this is like eliminating the layer that you don't need, right? Yep. And that real time tell me how I get the best results and it's like, well walk around and, you know. And watch the meter, but just don't bump into anybody. Yeah. I recommend making sure you have a case on your iPhone for this particular activity because you're probably not going to be watching where you're going. So, you know, if you drop your phone, yeah, you're going to crash. That's right. Hey. All right. Jumping. So that's one of those cool things. It's 99 cents. Listener Mark on the quick tips here says, I thought my iPhone SE screen was starting to fail as it was very dim, a lot dimmer than my five S screen. Aha. I thought I can convince the wife I need to get an iPhone 8 because my iPhone was broken. But after much mooching about in settings, I found in general accessibility display accommodations, the reduced white point was enabled. I disabled it and my thoughts of an iPhone 8 went out the window. To be fair, my SE is still running all I really need. Yeah. So this is, you know, and we like to dig around in the settings and do things all the time. I just spoke this weekend in Houston for their great Apple user group down there. And and that's one of the things we talked about both on the Mac and on iOS. A lot of those kind of interesting system tweaks are buried in accessibility. And I'm not quite sure why. I mean, I know like each of them makes sense in the accessibility prep pain, but they have so many uses beyond that. But but yeah, there you go. So you want to make sure you don't have that on. And it's like so deep. So what was this display accommodations? And like you just got to dig and dig and dig. It's crazy, John. Yeah, there it is display accommodations. You can set auto brightness and reduce white point and color filters and invert colors. So I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to drop some extra knowledge here, John, because it's one of my favorite tips. Invert colors. You know, when you're at like maybe you're out to dinner in a dark restaurant or you're at the movies or you're at a concert or something. When you pick up your phone to look at it, you know, the screen, especially if you go into messages like, let's say you get a, you know, a text message from somebody and you got to look and maybe you got to reply. The background of it is white, right? And so you get this massive, huge, glaring, bright, white thing that lights your face up blue and everybody knows what you're doing. And that's bad. And you're also potentially annoying the people behind you. Well, iOS 11 has what's called smart invert colors. And what invert colors does is it turns everything white to black, black to white, but not everything. It used to be in iOS 10 and before, if you inverted the colors, like your pictures would look all wonky and everything. That's not the case anymore. It's smart about it. And it's really helpful at concerts and things like that. And I wish I could teach everyone in front of me how to use this feature. But I'll just teach all of you. So here's the thing, you can go into that exact same spot, settings, general accessibility, display accommodations and turn it on and off there. But there is a better way go. Same place, settings, general accessibility. Scroll all the way to the bottom to accessibility shortcut. And in there, turn on smart invert colors. And now when you triple tap the home button or triple click, I guess, I mean, I don't know if the tap or click now. But triple click the home button, you get the option to either turn on the magnifier or do the smart invert colors. And you can just do it. Triple click the home button. Boom. Good to go. It's friggin awesome. I love it. Love, love, love it. I use it all the time. Really, where I use it is on stage. If I'm using my iPad to like read lyrics or read charts. The same thing. I don't want my face lit up blue. So I do the smart invert and it takes all my PDFs. And instead of it being black text or black music on a white background, it's the other way. And it's easier to read in the dark because you don't have this big, bright, white light shining at your eyes. It's pretty cool because, I mean, a lot of apps, I mean, off top of my head, Waze and even Pokemon Go at night. Yes, change the color scheme because they're like, well, yeah, you probably don't want a correct blazing, bright, white background at night. But Apple's own apps don't do that. So you've got to do it for them. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. You can add other things. You'll see if you go into that accessibility settings or accessibility shortcut, there's a lot of things you can add there and you can add multiple things. And then you just pick one from the from the menu. There you go. Yeah. And, you know, sometimes I have it set like I think many do. And by default, that's the setting. I have mine set on auto brightness. Yep. Yeah. It almost always works. The only time is that sometimes when I go to a retailer that requires scanning of a barcode. Sometimes I have to jack up the the brightness because some barcode scanners just don't get it. Oh, your barcode app should be brightening it up. Well, some some do. Yes, I have one app where as soon as I show the barcode, it cranks the screen up to maximum brightness. That's the maximum contrast or both. But some don't. Right. Right. Because, you know, it's a camera. And I guess if there's not enough contrast or brightness or both, it's like what? Right. Hey, we have a ton more quick tips to go through and we're going to get through them. But the first thing I want to do is talk about our two sponsors for today. Does that work for you, John? Outstanding. Our first sponsor for this week is a new sponsor to Mac Geek app, but not new to Mac Geek app at all. And that is Sanebox, where at Sanebox.com slash MGG, you can sign up for a two week free trial for the email service that changed my life. I've been using Sanebox for three years, I think maybe even four now. And it was because one of you suggested it to me. I this is a service I couldn't live without. What Sanebox does, it works at the server level. You just go and sign up. 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But those just happened to be sponsored quick tips. Very meta. Yeah, very meta. I agree. Yeah, it's good. It is time, though, to go on to Margaret and and return to the listener provided quick tips. Margaret says, today I stumbled upon a Mac setting that solves a long running problem I have with mail on a big high res screen, the text for the list of folders on the sidebar is too small. I could find nothing in mail's preferences about this and gave up trying to solve it. But today I found it. She says in system preferences under the general tab, sidebar icon size controls the size of that text to changing it from small to medium was a great improvement. This setting affects the finder sidebar, too. But does nothing for sidebars in Safari or calendar. So very cool. Yeah, I found, John, you know, something interesting has happened in the 12 years that we've been doing this show. The text on my screens has gotten smaller and smaller. And I'm sure it's it's just that Apple. But yes, no, what what's that? I don't think the text has changed. I think I believe the sensor that's being used to consume and interpret the text is changing. Hmm, that's interesting. That's a funny you feel. Your eyes. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Are you at the point? I don't know. I'm almost at the point where I think my my eye doctor suggests that I get. Well, they call them now progressive lenses. Because you're old man. Yes, you're a bifocals was what they used to be called. But now they call them progressive lenses to make it sound. Right. Well, in a lot of times, they're not they're not. It's not just a flat or it's not a hard change from one magnification to another, right? It's it's a I think they even have triple ones. They have ones that are like trifocals, if you will. And yeah, but not yet. I don't I feel your pain, brother. I don't know what you're talking about. I just have this problem that apples clearly that Apple has. I mean, I only use Apple hardware and it just keeps getting smaller. So I don't know what the problem is. All right, well, get on the horn to whoever's running the. Yeah, well, those guys are, you know, aging at the same rate that I am. I suppose that's that's why there's the accessibility. Yeah, there it is. See, there you go. Everett writes in and says. I have a quick tip for you. He says Team Viewer Quick Support for iOS. It will allow you to view an iOS screen without controlling it from the desktop or iOS. It is perfect for when you're trying to help someone remotely set something up or turn something off. Very, very cool. So we'll put a link to that in the show notes. I had no idea that this was even a possibility. We had. I had mentioned it in the past because I'm a big team viewer pan. Yeah, team viewer fan because somebody turned me on to it. And for at least. And actually a good caveat when we're talking about team viewer. So it's free for non-commercial use. Right. And at one point, somebody commented because I said, well, you know, if you use it to run a business, then, you know, throw it on some coin. It's not a they charge, I think, not quite four figures, but three figures for a business license. Yeah. So it's not inexpensive, but, you know, like, you know, maybe good for the small business show. I mean, if you're doing remote support, then thrown down, you know, less than a thousand bucks a year to generate more than that, hopefully. Yeah, that's right. Right. If you're good. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's cool. But yeah, the only disappointment is that like that as was mentioned, it's snapshots. It's not real time remote control like it is in iOS 11. That's the difference. That's what Ev is pointing out. You can broadcast your screen or share your screen to any computer or mobile device. Is that how he worded it? OK, I'm sorry. No, no, no, it's it's well, yes, but it's also there in the TeamViewer quick support app description. But that's iOS 11 only. OK, yeah, I was 11. It's an yeah. Yeah, nice. OK, because that was my kind of disappointment with the prior version is that I mean, screenshots are certainly useful. Right. Being able to do more than that. Right. OK, so that's an improvement they made or apple made or. Yeah, my guess is it's exactly. And Graham in the chat room is saying that TeamViewer said free until the end of October. So, you know, go go download that app. I'm not sure what he means by that, but. Well, go get the app. There you go. Yeah. You know, like any business, they, you know, have this unreasonable expectation that they should actually be making money. No, that's a good thing for. Yeah, right. It's just it's I mean, it's good for us that things are free and their quality products, but on the other hand, you have to make money. Yeah. All right, we're going to go to back to listener Ken, I think, with with his quick tips now. And I know I have him here somewhere. Yeah, he says two things. One is on Apple Watch. He says since watch OS three and four, every time I use an app from the digital crown, i.e. pulling up the dock, the next time I use the dock, I see an app in front of my dock collection and that bugs me. I set my watch to show favorites and not reasons. The only way to fix it was to set the app that I used from the digital crown and add it to the dock. So now the recent apps won't show that in front of the dock. So there you go. That's actually a nice little workaround. So whatever app you use from the digital crown, if you add that to your favorites and then you can move it around and it won't show up at the front of the list every time you go back to to the dock. So there you go. That's a good tip. And then he also suggests he says ever since September 19th, i.e. the day I installed iOS 11 and watch OS four, my IFTTT applets didn't work when the action was an Arlo camera and the trigger was a Belkin WiIMO light. So I bought a Samsung SmartThings hub. It's faster than IFTTT and it has a lot of options for automating things. Like I can set it to work only after sunset. So so he's he's suggesting the Samsung SmartThings hub. We'll put a link to that in the in the show notes. Just for you, not just you, John, but you know, everybody. No, I wanted just for me. OK. Well, it's just for you. Upgrading, you know, I've seen so I bought the old link Wink hub and they have a newer one that a lot of people have a nice nice thing to say about. I should check that out. I think my my negative view of a lot of this home automation stuff is because I have stuff that is old, old and it doesn't work right. Or it doesn't work the way I'd like it to. So right. Yeah, that that is the price for adopting early is when the standards sort of expand and change, you know, there you go. So hey, Rick, listener, Rick, this is sent in a tip to Alison Sheridan over at pod feet dot com and we'll put a link to this post. But he has found a way to. Well, let me let me read what he has what he has suggested because it's actually pretty cool and it's it's relating to photos. And the people, the faces recognition, he said he was having trouble with the fact that he had added faces to photos in multiple places and previous to all of these updates. Those really weren't sinking around. So now you have all of these sort of separate databases that are starting to merge and sometimes things aren't so good. He said, in searching for a solution, I was on my Mac and clicked on the people album in the left sidebar in photos up pop the usual garbled mess of images and names resulting from all my prior naming efforts in a fit of frustration. I selected the photos in the people album, not all the photos in my main photo library, mind you, just the photos in my people album and I hit the delete button. Much to my surprise, it didn't delete anything. Instead, it offered to reset all the names in my people album that I had previously entered. Exactly what I was looking for, says Rick, after making a backup copy of my current photo library, I click delete and all the names I had entered disappeared and photos started reindexing everything, searching for names to apply. Again, exactly what I wanted. So that's that's the trick. We'll put a link to the whole article that that he wrote over there as a guest post on Podfeet and you can read about it. But thanks for sharing that with us, Rick. This is this is a good one. This is a I wish there were a better way to sort of I guess it's similar to what you were just saying about the the Internet of Things stuff, John, is that sometimes you got to reset when the newer, better, faster something comes out. And thankfully, in this case, it's free, at least not financially or it's financially free, it'll take some time to reindex. But there you go. And another long running thread is that if something's not working, yeah, we try turning it on and off again. There you go. Yeah, exactly. Off and on again. Yeah. I was I mentioned I was down in Houston speaking for those great people on Saturday morning and Michael King, who was my host and chauffeur while I was down there, showed me something very cool, John. And that is MagSafe lightning cables. Yes, you heard that, right? What it is. And I'll put a link to it. Yeah, so wait, MagSafe is what you have on the end of older MacBooks, older Mac. Yeah, and I got some of those. Yeah. And lightning is what plugs into your iOS device. So why would you even combine the two? These aren't technically MagSafe, but it's the same concept for iOS. And what it is, and I'll put a link in the show notes. It's it's actually a two piece thing. It's a cable and then a little dongle is the wrong word, but it's a little nub that you plug into the lightning port on your iPhone or iPad. And then it and it only sticks out a little bit. In fact, if you have a case on your iPhone, it probably won't stick out at all. And then the cable fits onto this in a MagSafe type of way. And and, of course, it's reversible and all that stuff. So the nice part is you've now got this cable that just detaches when, you know, you yank on it and you got to yank pretty hard. But still, you're not going to break the port or anything. So it's a MagSafe like stress relief so that you don't destroy your iOS devices. Correct, over the cable. OK, that's I like it. It's pretty cool. Yeah. At their meeting, like most Apple user group meetings, before I spoke, they had their special interest groups. And generally, one of those and at this meeting, it certainly was a their local sort of tech geek, if you want to call him that, this guy, Jonathan, was just helping people with questions they had and talking through stuff and news of the month and that sort of thing. And one of the topics he came up with or that came up in this discussion was Microsoft Office Alternatives. And it's a pretty interesting thing to think about, right? Because we have pages, we have numbers. And if that's basically what you need, you really don't need office, right? For many of us, pages and numbers do a fine job. Keynote, obviously, you know, in my opinion, way better than PowerPoint. But there are those moments where you need something that really is built to be Microsoft Office and. Without buying or paying a monthly license for office, you can use something based on open office. And there are three of them that we discussed at the meeting and and and that are worth considering. The beauty of the three things I'm about to mention is that they're all free. So Sun Microsystems, I believe it was Sun, I might get this wrong, started something years ago, almost 20 years ago, called open office, right? That now has been taken over by Apache, right? So the Apache Foundation has open office at openoffice.org. And you can get that and it works for the Mac. And then there's another one based on open office called Neo Office that runs it kind of inside a Java wrapper on your Mac. And then there's one and I think I feel like this is the best one. And I'll tell you why called Libre Office, L-I-B-R-E Office. Again, based on the open office core available for free. You can donate to them if you like, of course. But but it's all right there. The reason I like Libre Office is twofold. Number one, it is the most Mac like of these things. And number two, it supports the current formats of DocX and XLSX, which are the Microsoft Word and Microsoft Excel formats of current versions of Office. And it seems to work great with those files, whereas the other ones don't support those. You can't save things as as DocX or XLSX. So so I like I like Libre Office the best. But but I just wanted to kind of plant that seed out here. If anybody else has any thoughts about this or any additional options to add, please obviously let us know. But but yeah, that's pretty cool that, you know, you really don't need. Most of us don't need to pay for Microsoft Office, but there will be times when you would want something different than pages or numbers, something more geared towards being Office. So there you go. Well, if you're doing some workflows or you know, mail merge or things like that. But yeah, I'm I'm with you. I actually deleted it because their. CD key licensing thing got upset with me. And, you know, I I tried to reinstall it one too many times, even though I have a license, you know, media license, you know, because they like to do that sort of thing. Right. I checked. It was just like, do I need to do everything that office and office? I mean, office is wonderful. I mean, they got, you know, built-in scripting and mail merge, totally. And all that. But for most people, I eventually just deleted it and said, you know what? Pages and and Apple's free offerings are good enough for me. But these can. Yeah, go to the next level and then they can understand more sophisticated workflows because they're office compatible. So yeah, I think I'm looking right now on my computer. I think I have open office. Yes. OK, what I currently have on my MacBook Pro. Yeah. So there you go. Yeah. And then one other thing that came up was really interesting. Jonathan started talking about live photos, but he had a very different. It took me a couple of minutes to really wrap my head around it. Kind of live photos. Well, in in iOS, right? The default for the camera is to take live photos, which is kind of like little mini movies, if you will, where you take a picture. But it kind of captures a little bit before and a little bit after the picture. And so you get this this little, you know, sort of mini motion kind of thing that goes on movie, like a little movie. Yeah. But he doesn't take them for that reason. What he takes them for, he has it set, which is the default that it takes live photos all the time. And I'm thinking, oh, man, no, I turn that off, dude. You don't like that's such a pain. He says, no, it's great because what you can do is you can go into a picture you've taken and and and and just take a look at it. And you can edit the picture and pick a different key frame. And he says, it's great. If somebody happens to close their eyes or whatever, he says, you just move the key frame around until you find exactly the right shot that you want and you save that. And that becomes the frame that saved or that shared when you share a non-live photo version of this. And it really kind of blew my mind like, oh, that's why you use live photos. And of course, with with iOS 11 and the high image, high efficiency image format, yeah, he's or whatever. It, you know, the the the files are much smaller not only because of of Heath, but because it's able to just save the deltas between all of those pictures. So it's it's very efficient. But yeah, I really like once he started talking about that and that's new to iOS 11 is as I think the concern in the past was that live photos were kind of a proprietary thing and that you could only really digest them on iOS initially. Yep. And then they finally added support through photos and their other software where you could do other things with it because it was kind of disappointing. I think I remember when you and I went to a show one time, I, you know, took a live photo of you when I was on a prior OS. So it was like, well, yeah, but I can only see it on my phone. I can't see it anywhere else, but Apple's open that up, which is awesome. Yep. So yeah, there you go. Pretty good stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see. I want to go to I want to go to Ezra because I want to answer this question and I also want to potentially throw this out as a geek challenge and see if we've got any people out there. Well, it's been a while since we've talked about syncing two folders on the same Mac. So Ezra writes, do you guys have a go to utility, preferably cheaper, free that quickly and reliably will sync two folders, both on the same machine or on, say, a Mac and a network drive? And we have, we've covered this before, but it's not in a while. So I want to kind of talk through the options that I think of when asked this question, but I also want to make sure we open this up for all of you. Carbon copy cloner can do this on a schedule as could super duper, right? So, you know, you tell it to do it once a day or maybe even once an hour if you're obsessive about it. And it'll go in and do this. But that's different from live sync, right? Neither of those things will do live sync. And so I started thinking, well, chrono sync will do that. And then I found a couple of apps on the app store. One's called sync folders, and I haven't tested it. So I don't know anything about it. And the other one is called folder sync, which I haven't tested. And I think we've mentioned both of those before. But I don't know. Um, I don't know, you know, what else would be the right piece of software to do that? And then the question comes up, you know, if you're looking to do it on the same drive, which might be a little weird. Do APFS's clones start to factor into this? So, but probably not. We're probably talking about some software to do it. And Kurt in the chat room says, use the terminal command ditto. To do this, I've never used ditto before. That's one of those terminal commands that I've kind of come across and left behind a couple of times. And he says, combine folder actions with terminal scripts involving ditto. So I thought I didn't realize ditto would would do that live. I thought it was more like, like a carbon copy cloner or a super duper where you just tell it go do this and it does it kind of like our sync would do similar, similar kind of thing. Yeah, ditto, man. Have you used ditto before? No. Oh, OK. I fiddled with it. I mean, you fiddled with ditto. There's a lot of repeated letters there. I just it's fun to say. Fiddled with ditto. I mean, one thing that occurs to me. So what we're talking about is syncing is real time syncing versus scheduled syncing for the most part. Right. And right. I mean, the thing that I found recently, which, you know, of course, is only available if you have a sonology is like clouds. They should back up as soon as something changes. Yes. It's like, yep. Well, Dropbox is the sort of unit. Dropbox, yeah, for a cloud-based one. But like Synology's thing, as soon as a file changes in the folders I say are important, it's like, yep, done. Yeah, because it's constantly watching. It's just watching. Right. It's doing it the expense, probably not a big expense of processor. Well, but remember, hey, hey, or, you know, file, I'm sorry. You know, file system events. Yeah, FS events. Right. So the OS is actually doing the watching and just reporting up to like something changed. And it's like, OK, back it up. Yep. Yeah, sync it. Yeah, there you go. So I don't like I like this. I wonder if carbon, if either of the, you know, so the two big boys in my book is carbon copy-cloner, which I'm a fan of. And I'm not sure where you are on the fence right now. But SuperDuper is, I guess, those are the two big boys. Yeah, but for Mac people, they're on demand or on a schedule. But I don't think either one. Yeah, I don't think either one at this point in time that we should look into it. No, they don't ask them. OK, so they're scheduled, which is fine for what they do for what they do. Yeah, I'm just curious. I think Chronosync is probably the one that keeps coming up. So, you know, yeah. I don't know, you know, Kurt L says, what about Hazel? And Hazel does watch folders. But yeah, I don't know. You're I'm not a Hazel user. I love Hazel. Yeah. OK, that may be buried in there then. Yeah, I mean, you'd have to trigger an action. I don't know that. I mean, to me, the other, you know, the other question here, based on the or the other consideration is that do you really need? How critical is it that the data be replicated immediately? Right. Some people, yeah. For some people, no. Right. Right. Like I said, you know, a daily or hourly or. So anyway, twice daily backup. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just I just wanted to get that out there. So send a, you know, send a note to us if you've got some ideas about this. Right. What do you do to sync that? If you want to send us a note, Dave, you know, we can send us a note. I'm going to mention it. Maybe prematurely. You can see it back at Mackeygab.com. Did you say feedback at Mackeygab.com? I'm pretty sure what I said, Dave, time and time again, is feedback at Mackeygab.com. I think you're right. Yeah, I think that's right. And I, you know, I think we're, I mean, we're where we where it's time to bring the band in. No, we are. I think it's I think you're right. I mean, we could stretch this out forever, but, you know, we try to keep it relatively reigned in. It's still two to four eight eight eight geek is the number that you can call if you want to leave us a message like like you heard JP do in the show. John geek is four, three, three, five. And we love you, JP. We do. Find us on Twitter. The show is Mackeygab. He is John F. Braun. I am Dave Hamilton, the guy that sometimes sits next to me right there where you can't see me pointing is Pilot Pete. And of course, you can find Mac Observer on Twitter as well. Let's see. What else do we have to talk about here? John, anything, anything? No, we did that. We did that. I don't know. All the boxes. I may see some of my peeps at a photo plus expo, which is happening this week in Manhattan at the Javits Center. So if you're into photography, I think you can still get a free pass or if you're lucky like me, they give me one for nothing. Cool. I will pull into that if you're in the taken pictures. Yeah, it's oh, and they have this here. So when is that, John? That's this week. I think Wednesday is when Wednesday evening is when things start. And then Thursday, Friday, Saturday is the exhibits, but they also have, dude, they glommed a VR expo onto this. So that could be kind of cool. I guess VR is kind of a thing these days, right? Yeah. Have you played with any of the VR stuff on the on the iPhone? Oh, dude. No, I'm not. Oh, you're. No, you're missing out. No, it's really cool. Well, I've seen the AR stuff in the West and on the Mac. But yeah. Yeah, it's cool. I don't know. Dude, I have enough trouble with real reality. Are you sure it is a reality? 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