 Congratulations Madan. Thank you sir for securing 195 rank in the civil service examination of 2021 and also you secured this 195th rank in the first attempt itself. What is the success for that one? Sir I'm actually feeling very happy. Success is I think I did not focus on that part sir that is the result part. I was just focusing on the process sir. Like my MS Dhoni always says it is the process that has both fruits here sir. It has come positive for me. Okay so Dhoni is one of her inspiration also in the civil service examination. Definitely sir. Okay so whenever Dhoni comes too bad and used to hit a six like that you heated six in the first attempt itself and getting a secure birth in the civil service examination. Yes sir I feel quite privileged and lucky to be selected sir. Okay Madan you are a doctor. Yes sir. So doctor profession is considered to be a very noble one. Even during the time of nobody's in the covid doctors have considered to be as a next to the god. But why you are choosing civil service as a career instead of doctor profession. Sir definitely sir that is the question I get wherever I go especially in the before the interview board. Sir I think it is a tough decision to make sir. I wanted to become a civil servant since my school days. I have to bear this sir. I have to endure this and not going before the society and serving the people and instead choosing to prepare. So it is a tough decision. But ultimately sir I think this service will help me in exploring my potential to the fullest limit. So I prefer civil services over medical services. Having said that I think the knowledge which I have gathered from medical centers will be definitely useful in civil services. Okay so doctor to become a collector. Sir I think I will get into a land into an IPS. Okay so we can say that doctor to become a police officer. Definitely sir. Okay so it is going to be a challenging one. Definitely sir. Okay Madan sure you are successful journey in the civil service with synchronization. Yes sir. Sir I actually came say I was completely unaware and lost when I reached Chennai. Okay. I actually after finishing my internship I came to Sankarayas academy sir. Okay. Entire team of Sankarayas starting from the faculty to all the coordinators. They were very helpful to me sir. Okay. And actually I entered the academy as a child with the curiosity sir. Because here in our classroom as you know we can we can ask any doubt. No one gets irritated. There was complete freedom to express ourselves express our ignorance and also our curiosity. Okay. Just the entire team was very friendly sir. Okay. I was I was associated with Sankarayas right from the prelims preparation actually pre-fit was the test series. I used to solve daily 50 questions sir in pre-fit that I feel that it is very helpful than reading books during the last time of preparation. And I also also a part of mainstreaming test series interview guidance program. The entire journey of UPSE to some extent was associated with Sankarayas. Sankarayas played vital role sir. Okay. See Madan how the GSPCM program is helpful for you because you belong to the 2019 batch weekend student of Sankarayas academy. How it was helpful for you? Sir most aspirants start this journey as I said they will be feeling like lost in the sea sir. This actually this helps actually it gives a moral booster sir. It gives a moral booster. It will be having friends those who are associated with this journey. That is actually a quite great thing sir. Prelims come means it enlightens us about the syllabus and it directs us towards the right path. Okay. Instead of getting lost or losing the direction it directs us towards the process. Okay. See then how the mains program is helpful for you? Yes regarding mainstreaming or yeah mainstreaming test series I think sir I gave mainstreaming only in Sankarayas academy. Okay. I think the syllabus was charted for voyages who are the first time givers and who have already given mains the second or third attempt like on. It was very helpful sir because there were sectional tests. Those tests I think it helped me to deal the topics in detail. Okay. In detail and it paid off sir especially essay test series and the evaluation especially was on time sir. Okay. That I find it was very helpful. Okay. I got the evaluated papers on just three days after the test. Okay. That is actually on time evaluation with I think the feedback was also quite constructive. Okay. It was not dejecting. It was motivating for me to improve more. Okay. So how are the feedback sessions? Yes the key especially the key they were very perfect sir. In last I think two three weeks I used to just revise the key. Okay. That is that will be sufficient. Okay. And as I said previously the faculty were their feedbacks were quite constructive. Okay. They were not dejecting. They used to encourage me. Okay. But still they will award me average marks. Okay. But that keeps an aspirant to improve more. Improve more. Yes. It motivates you. Definitely it motivates you. It motivates the candidates to get more and more marks. That will help them to get into the clear the mainstreaming and also the main examination. Definitely sir. In the service. Yes sir. Sir I would like to add one thing sir. Initially I felt that slightly demotivating. But the thing is if you become complacent with the marks I think it might not have helped me. Okay. The constant pursuit to improve I think it helped me this time. Okay. So the continuous refining of a person will help you to clear the main examination. Definitely sir. So that will say mainstreaming helped me a lot for you. Definitely sir. Okay. Okay. So you are a part of geography associated with Shankar Aizhakar. Tell me your geography journey in Shankar Aizhakar. Yes sir. I actually came with the mind that is social changes. I wanted to take social changes as an optional. I was very clear in that. But I had a slight oscillation between geography and history. I watched the orientation class by Gautam sir. Once I watched that I fixated my mind. This is my optional. I am going to give geography as an optional sir. Okay. As I said Gautam sir and also Karthikeyan sir. Actually Karthikeyan sir I used to call him as my elder brother. Okay. Both of them are like my brothers sir. They took care of me in the entire process like their younger brother. Okay. They were very helpful. I used to call them any time. They were very helpful. They gave me very constructive feedback. Okay. My mark was actually 276 sir. Okay. More than myself they were very happy for me. Okay. They were gem teachers sir. Okay. So how the optional geography optional test series will help you for securing the marks? How you improve your marks? Yes sir. Sir as I said the Karthikeyan sir feedback will be blunt sir. He wants me to be constantly improving. Not giving fake comments or not giving false statements. He used to be straightforward with me and I used to take that in the right sense sir regarding presentation. Okay. He was very strict with me. He wanted me to improve the percent hand rating. Okay. I just worked on that in the last two papers. I hope that would have made a 5 to 10 mark difference. Okay. Definitely working on hand rating after this insisting. And another valid point I would like to share is he advices me to practice writing outside before entering the exam hall. Okay. I used to just scribble sir. Okay. At least the syllabus. Okay. That I think is very helpful because from the moment the bell strikes our speed will be we will be able to catch that speed sir. Okay. If I had not done that I think I would have missed a 10 marker or 15 marker sir. Okay. Your rank would be somewhat definitely 300 or something else. Yes sir. As you know sir 5 marks would make a difference of 20 ranks. Yes. Definitely in the syllabus examination. One mark plays a crucial role. Definitely sir. 5 marks would be a huge difference. Huge difference sir. Okay. So personal rapport with the faculty with respect to the optional and their advice and the feedback helps you a lot to improve the marks. Yes sir. Okay. Tell me what how you benefited out of the interview program in Yes sir. Sir actually the interview program was structured in a perfect way to help candidates like me who are the first time. Okay. Right from starting from DAF profiling. In DAF profiling we used to start from the name, the meaning of our name. Yes. I remember you asking me the meaning of my name about myself. Okay. And there were also one-on-one sessions sir. That was also quite constrictive and we also had topic-based sessions. Okay. Where entire team was engaged. I remember every staff from Shankara IS teaching their core topics. Okay. I think it helped me to reduce the anxiety. Okay. For the first time. Okay. Okay. So what about the mock into sessions here in Shankara IS? Yes sir. I actually gave two mocks one in Chennai and one in Delhi sir. Okay. The one in Chennai I had it was not that good means I performed a bit low but they encouraged me a lot. But in Delhi I think it was the last mock that I gave before going to the interview. Okay. I received a completely positive feedback. Okay. That actually boosted my confidence sir. Okay. Madan tell me what is the success as a first time first attempt to candidate you have success in the schools of examination and also you get one of the 195th rank. What is the strategy with respect to the problems? Sir, problems I think mug-uping is not associated. Usually candidates used to mug-up facts. Okay. UPSC is very clear that it will not work. I view every question as a concept sir. When we are thorough with concepts and we know what the question is demanding we have to find that logical or rational inconsistency sir. In every question there will be something here. I think rather than finding the correct answer we used to find the flaw in the question or the options. When a candidate is able to find that flaw that will come only with the conceptual clarity. Okay. Then it's a cakewalk sir. Okay. And also candidates should not ignore a C-set. C-set is nowadays becoming very tough. Yes. Yes. C-set. What is your advice for aspirants regarding the C-set? Don't take it very lightly it can stop. Okay. On C-PAC dream especially even engineering candidates. Okay. They are failing in C-set. Okay. Practicing questions sir. Okay. That would suffice. So practice makes perfect. Definitely. So that's with respect to C-set. Practice makes them to clear the C-set. Yes sir. To reach their target level in the C-set. Okay. What's your strategy for the main examination that is main strong? Yes sir. Sir means I think before writing starting writing starting to write answers I think there should be some conceptual clarity in wide aspects. Okay. Because after reading the subjects at least multiple subjects only we can able to give multiple dimensions in our answer. So I think after one two to three months of reading one should start writing answers in the home itself sir. Self-evaluate answers. Okay. That is saying sir that the best answer we write is would be found on the 300th paper. Okay. 300th or 200th paper. Okay. Okay. Those 200 papers we should we should be writing sir. If we don't write those 200 papers that would be very bad. We used to get rejected. That is all part of the process sir. Only thing is to start writing after two to three months of preparation sir. Okay. So why I am asking this means many experienced candidate in the main examination not able to complete the paper. But as a first attempt to candidate how you completed the paper and came out successful in the 195th rank. That is what approaching the all four papers of general studies. Yes sir. Sir I think a candidate should not get emotionally attached to any questions sir. For example I used to get attached to geographic questions even in GS papers when I see I would it will touch me it will hurt my ego if I am not able to give the best the best answer. Okay. After one or two mock test in Shankara yes I came to realize that that will not work. Okay. Giving I should come finish the paper if I am not going to finish a single paper and I said to myself I will not be in the list. Okay. So whether whatever the optional may be you have to approach the general studies paper in a general studies way. Yes sir. You may be a geography optional or you may be a political science optional you may be a public administration option etc like that. We should not be emotionally attached to it. Sweared by the questions which belong to our optional. Okay. Yes. Okay. So what is your suggestion for the future aspirants regarding the civil service in the preparation. Sir I think there is a quote from Nawal Ravi Khan sir. Okay. Read what you love until you love to read sir. First we should start reading sir we should start reading and also I think when we compare general studies I think most candidates are understanding concepts and are quite strong. Okay. But they are neglecting essay ethics and optional sir. Okay. Actually the difference between a successful candidate and one who doesn't succeed is these three things which I said essay ethics and optional. Even after repeatedly having discussion with my friends they are not focusing on essay part sir. They should view essay as a separate paper. It has 250 marks. Reading G.S. and reproducing answers in essay will not fetch good marks. Difference can be made only in these aspects. Okay. Essay ethics and optional. How will you approach the essays. Yes sir. I daily I used to spend a dedicated time to essay and ethics sir. Right from newspapers. From newspapers I take notes only for essay and ethics not for general studies because it is what we do year long. Every candidate reads fetches content for general studies. Okay. That everyone does sir. To crack this one needs to focus on completely. Focus completely or I would say disproportionately towards essay and ethics. I think that would make a great difference. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you Madan. Thank you for your true and also we all the best for your successful career in the civil service examination. Thank you very much. Thank you so much sir.