 ddweud eich llaw, ddweud eich gweithio, a rwy'n erbyn i fynd i'r fwyllt arall y Llyfrgell Martyn Welr, ar hynny, sy'n cerddwyr y gweithio'r ysgolwyddiad, rwy'n gweithio'r ysgolwyddiad arall y gweithio. Ddweud ar hynny, ddweud i'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r lŵr ysgolwyddiad, ddweud i'r gweithio'r ysgolwyddiad. Hi, gwaith felly ar gweithio ystod, mae'r rhai warchonion clwyswyr o awrthod o'r Cymru. Wythfaith gwneud ymmell yn eu wneud, mae'r mwyaf i chi eich greu newid gyda throm agor a fydd yw'r cyffredin awrthod o gweithio'r strategiaidd ac roeddwyd yn ôl i'r fath, oedd sy'n dechrau eu gwriodau a wahanol i'w drwng a'r ddull i'r gwneud. A rwy'n mwyaf ni'n i ddwy aqurddio'n cyd. Wawrthod yw'r warchonion, gwylwyd ar gweithio. Felly, yn y cwrs yma, wrth gwrs yma, rydyn ni'n ardal y rhan o'r cyflwyno yma, ac mae'n gwneud hynny i'r peth yn ei phobl i'r ysgolwyd yn rhywbeth i gael'r cyflwyno'r cyflwyno. Ac rydyn ni'n credu cyflwyno'r cyflwyno'n gyflwyno. Rydyn ni'n trafod y gweithio'r gweithio ar Ym Ffabri, at UCL, dydyn ni'n gweithio'r Gweithio'r Llywodraeth. Ac we can, I really just used that to explore what the assembly would look like. Get ideas from them and then feed forward with what that would be like. One really great achievement from that is that since February. We've established East of England Alt Members Group which now completes alt UK domination. We have turned the map green next step to the world. I'm not going to mention Brexit so it's fine. I'm not going to mention it so it's fine. so that that was a kind of a big ambition for Alts to kind of make sure that map was all green and we done it this year. Also, through the Assembly we put it's there and discussed that the the Evaluation of Learner Experience Seek group this has been around for some times very vibrant community and they've now come under the Alts umbrella if you like especially in just groups. So really glad to welcome them into the Alts Fold and one of things that came out of that meeting back in London, was people said you know we kind of run a we all do our own thing and we've got really good practice but we don't get a chance to share it. So, what they worked on all those groups and got together and discussed through a joint document producing a community guide. So anyone setting up a new interest group will have advice on what to do and where to go from there. So that was a direct output of that early meeting and the subsequent online meetings. The Assembly has also really helped to inform the Seymol pathways ac mae'r syniad, mae'r ffordd cyllidio sydd yn gweithio eich cyfledd yn dyfodol. Mae'r ffordd yn ddod y rhaid o'r rhai o'r sefydlu sy'n helpu i gydig i gydig i ddod y dyfodol. Dyma o'r ffordd yn ddigon i'r ffordd i gydig i'r gael'r newydd ymlaen, mae'r newydd ymlaen i gydig i fy ngynghwyr 4 yma, yn gyflaen i'r newydd 3 yma, ond hi'n gwybod. A mae'r ffordd yn y ffordd yn gwybod i'r gael'r newydd i gydig i'r gael'r newydd, ..a Brisbane yn ymwneud. Ond yr awr strategiaeth yr oedd yn gweithiasgion... ..a'r tîm ymddangas cyflym ymylfawr hynny. Felly mae'r awr strategiaeth yn gweithio'r gweithio... ..a hynny'n ddiddordeb sydd yn bwaith, a'ch eisiau gyda'r greaddau... ..yng Nghymru i chi'n gweithio a chanol â'r strategiaeth... ..mon i chi'n ddim yn mynd i gweithio ar gyfer yr oedd ymylfawr... ..yngor iawn, sicrhau. When the new strategy is consultation is now underway and so I wanted to share with you just a couple of ways in which we're inviting members to engage in which we really want to hear your voices, your priorities, the things that you want to see out address in the next few years. And I wanted to share with you a little bit of an insight into what that process looks like for the Board of Trustees and for senior staff because obviously some of the consultation is already underway. And this particular piece of visual thinkery is a product of the earliest meeting for some of the trustees and some of the staff to get together to start working on the new strategy. Now, there are a whole range of opportunities to engage as we go on to that journey and you can see up here the suggestion box that is already live and receiving suggestions on the old website where anyone can provide input and make suggestions. Then today's meeting is part of our way to try and spread the word so that for those of you in particular who are running members groups or special interest groups, that you are able to find out how to engage with the strategy and hopefully vitalise your communities into providing input. The winter conference in December is going to be a hugely important milestone where we have a number of online sessions between now and the conference and then more open sessions at the conference. Last time we did the strategy, the Board ran very successful webinars online for everyone who couldn't come to physical events like this one and we hope to have similar amount of engagement if not more this time round. And the formal consultation really concludes with our big annual survey which will have a special section on the new strategy hopefully informed by all the input we get between now and December. And that is open to everyone in the community to complete. Now I wanted to specifically mention the alt annual survey because obviously as well as informing the internal work of alt it is also becoming an increasingly valuable resource generating anonymised open data which helps institutions within the community to map professional practice and how it is developing. One of the new ways in which we've been exploring the survey this year and my colleague Martin Hoogsy has led on this work is really looking at the results from the annual survey from 2014 to 18 for example agenda perspective. Now this is only one example of how we can make use of the data that we have in our community and we'd like to hear from you of other things that you'd like us to include in the survey, questions you'd like us to ask, different perspectives you within your institution or you as an individual would find useful. So please consider how you might wish us to expand the survey so it can become more useful to you in the future. Now here's a summary of the consultation timeline so as I said it's already underway starting in June and now in September this is where we are where we're kicking off the formal consultation with members groups and special interest groups. There'll also be another update on this at the annual general meeting tomorrow afternoon. Then the assembly meetings in November and October will feature consultations with members as well and they are open to anyone and everyone and all online. And then in December as I mentioned the annual survey consultation with the winter conference and excitingly the new strategy is only a few months away in February. Now as Martin mentioned in his introduction the assembly is only launched in February and was only agreed at the last AGM. So I just wanted to remind you all because I think many of us are still getting used to the way it works and how it works and what's involved. That you are all here as part of it and a very important part of the governance structure advising the board of trustees and hopefully being supported by the staff team. Now many of you will have noticed that we've been short a membership manager for a few months now and I'm very very excited to say that since yesterday we have a new membership manager in the form of our now very own Debbie Baff. And so I was hoping you could maybe put your hands together briefly to just welcome our new membership manager who will work with all of you as members in member groups and special interest groups. I think Debbie is just over here if you want to give a wave. Fantastic. OK. And now I hope that Martin and I will be able to welcome on the stage five minute updates from various members groups. We have updated the agenda as of four o'clock this afternoon. But if you are from a members group and we haven't called you up and you're not on the agenda there's open slots at the very end of the meeting. You each have maximum of five minutes and as we want to give everyone a voice please stick to that time. So the first members group that we are inviting up to the stage is the East Midlands Learning Technologies Groups. Anyone here from that group? Fantastic. Rich please welcome Rich. Thanks Martin. I'm here as one of the co-chairs of East Midlands Learning Technologies Group and my other co-chair Laura is sitting down there. We had a slight mix up over trains and timings over who was going to do this. So I've got the job but that's fine. So let's tell you a few things that we've been up to this year. We had a good event back in the spring time which was designed around assessment to looking at things around authenticity on anonymous marking. This has become quite a hot topic in some of our particular areas around the East Midlands and we had a lot of people here at a session hosted at Loughborough and we talked a lot around things around anonymity and authenticity. Now we didn't record the sessions, we do try and record our sessions with our host institutions but we had some kind of very sensitive discussions going on around this particular area and the participants didn't really want certain things being recorded and it was very much a kind of a closed house of things that we were talking about because there were some things that we didn't want leaking out of those four walls on that particular day. So it was a really good session, we had loads of participation from the people that turned up and those that were here at the event definitely seemed to enjoy it and were very good with their feedback about what they'd liked about the session and it was basically not a lot of people talking at them. There was lots of sitting around in groups and talking about the issues and going over some of the things that we'd been going on and specifically at Loughborough we are moving to a fully anonymous submission and marking from this September slash October. So we shared our initial thinking around that and some of the things there helped us to clarify what we were doing. So yeah, it was really good and I think we concluded that the technology bit is really easy, all the various tools that are out there we use Moodle and Turn In and other things. It's really easy to get that set up. It's the humans that get in the way and make this quite tricky. Particularly for example students if you ask them to submit things anonymously then they'll put in their name as the first thing they do or in the file name or everything else. And there's certain things you can do but some things you just can't get out of. So yes, I suspect there'll be a lot more people looking into that as the next year comes. For our next event there's some possibilities around something at Derby around Sticky Campus that we've very briefly talked about. We might do an online event around things around Office 365 and Microsoft Teams which keeps changing. It's raised on debt for every single day so far but I think it's going to settle down very soon. So there's a lot of interest in using some of those technologies and kind of bringing them in alongside things that are happening in families and getting teams working together. So we've got a lot of things to think about before we work out what our next event is. But yeah, we've had a really good session this year and we've definitely got an active group of members who like to come along and share. They're definitely not backwards incoming forwards are they? Right, I think that's enough for me. Oh yes, sorry. Shameless self-promotion which I forgot. There's a joint East Midlands, West Midlands and M25 group tomorrow afternoon. Sadly we've got to compete with the GASTA, sorry GASTA people. But we've got a session on technology reviews including the VLA review talk it. We'll also be talking about lecture capture reviews and voting system reviews and lots of other reviews. There's a panel of four or five people sharing their experiences of reviewing things. Right, I'll show that now. Thank you. At this stage we want to give a big shout out to the M25 group. No one from the group is actually here to give a live update but our agenda has also written updates. So please do visit the online agenda for details. Now next up is the North East Regional group and I'm hoping I'm going to welcome someone to the stage from that member's group. Fantastic, please give a warm welcome. Welcome to you. Please, thanks. Okay, tip tour. So I'm Julie from Durham and my co-chair over there is Graham Richard Boxwell from Newcastle University. We've been running regional group for a long time but we morphed into an old regional group about 18 months ago. Okay, so we were running groups. We would decide, okay, let's run a group meeting. When are we going to run it? It was very ad hoc. We chose a date. Then it was which, who's going to talk about what. Everything we talked about was all relevant but it was a mishmash of what we were going to talk about. One thing, nothing seemed to relate to each other anyway but we all agreed as a learning technologist from the five institutions in the North East that we found a value in meeting together to sit and talk and have an open conversation in a safe environment. Is this too loud? Okay. So when we became an old group, we went to the old assembly earlier. Was it last year? Was it this year? This year? We took on board having a management structure. So that is what we went back and put in place. So the five institutions now we each have a representative on the management board. We have scheduled three dates throughout the coming year. We have decided that we will run a theme at the first half of the day. So we've chosen accessibility as our first one. We've chosen the host so we rotate it around the five institutions so that not one institution has to keep hosting it. And so our next one is going to be about accessibility. But we decided that we still wanted to have a free-flow afternoon session so that if there are any topics, hot topics that people will come up, they could actually just list them. So at the moment we are gathering the management board of finding speakers to come along and talk about accessibility. We have had Alistair McNaught talk at our last one. But we know that, for instance, York University, who are not in the North East, they are doing some good things on accessibility. So we're inviting them as guests up to talk as well. We haven't been very good in the past at documenting what we've been doing. So with the new management structure that's the something that we are going to put into place. And so we've got to start blogging. Quite frankly we just think it's been great that we actually meet, we share our knowledge, we share ideas, we have the discussion and then we go away again and then we meet four months later. But having a management structure is going to allow us to articulate this and write it down and share it with the wider community. Anything else you want? Here we're normally, oh sorry, normally they just found out a few weeks before that there was a meeting coming up and just allowing everyone to be more organised. And it allows people not just to attend, to increase the attendance, it also allows people to contribute more because they know the theme coming up and stuff like that. So I think it's helped me enjoy these stress levels something. Right next up we have the first contribution for our newest special interest group. So please put your hands together for our very brand new alt elastic. I guess three for the price of one. So we're very excited to launch our elastic here and I think we will explain what elastic means. It's a bit of a mouthful but basically we are interested in evaluation of learners who are using technology. And my name is Tundi Vargatkin. I'm the chair. I'm Vicky Dill, I'm secretary. Denise Sweeney and I'm in the organising committee. Yeah and shout out for Mary as well who is here from Glasgow. So as Marren said we're very excited to launch this group and so who are we? What are we interested in? So we're a community of researchers and practitioners who are very interested in peeping. So wherever there is the sort of old community is interested in, we like to peep in and see how students, learners from whatever sector are using technology and how we can go about evaluating that. The other thing we again that links with Marren said earlier that one of the things we like to do is sharing practice and sharing resources and methodologies that we might be using in this process. I mean this slide is just a pictorial representation of the sort of things we have done and Vicky will talk a little bit about where we have come from as an elastic group. We like to keep up to date with research, finding new methodologies which we can use in our investigations and also disseminate and collaborate. So one of the things we're really interested in doing this year is inter-institutional collaborations doing similar topics and researching on that and working together. I think the other thing we'd like to say that we are very informal and friendly group and that's some of the things that people have highlighted. In terms of another way to benefit, you all know that research and scholarship can contribute to certification, whether it's the UK PSF, the HAA fellowship or Seamalt as well. So I think that's one of the reasons why we are quite keen to work together and share practice. OK, so Vicky we'll talk about where we have come from. So just very, very briefly where we've come from just to mention Professor Rona Sharp who really this is her baby. She launched this in 2008 with colleagues such as Amanda Jeffries who done a fabulous job in bringing together a huge community. We have different regional groups that obviously as we become part of ALT, a special interest group we need to rethink how that's going to map. But we have an organising committee that will take things forward and we're very excited to do that. We did a consultation with members and basically I'm going to go straight to the headline. 77% of active members opted for becoming an ALT SIG. We couldn't please everybody but it was great that the majority decision was to become part of ALT. But what members really value is this distinct focus on learning experience research and there's so much already I've seen in the programme so far. So that's great that we have an arena specifically for that. And it's a friendly, inclusive and member led institution and that I think dovetails, we believe dovetails very well with the ALT values as well. So very excited about taking things forward. And just our organising committee, there's ourselves a number of other people. So give us a shout if you want to get involved as well. We have some people in different regions that haven't been so active so if you would like to be involved just give us a shout. I was just going to say a few things about being a member for about four years. Coming from a practitioner background and moving into doing some doctoral work. ALT SIG was fabulous in helping me really become confident as a researcher. And it's things like NEC working with experienced researchers, being able to share ideas and bounce ideas off people. We've had a really successful webinar series in 2018 which we recorded and had speakers, very illustrious speakers from all around the world. And then what we found from members of our global 2300 lots of people watching the webinars after the event which has been really good. We did a little MOOC a couple of years ago and that was great for people to learn about methods and approaches to learner experience research and looking at the diversity across the different disciplinary backgrounds people come from. So they're just a couple of the webinars we had and something from our little MOOC. We're also keen on anyone who might be doing scholarly work and wanting to disseminate or want to get part of our proposed handbook. We'd really like to talk to people because it is looking at that slide about ALT members. Research is becoming something that we need to know about what the evidence is telling us in our practice. So that's what ALT SIG has done for me and it's been great to meet people and collaborate with people. And just finally the invitation with the dates. We are having a meeting on Thursday between 11 and 12 and I think more and you had a slide on about 5% people doing research as part of their job. So either whoever wants to join, we are inviting you with open arms. So it's either the 5% already doing research or the other, I don't know, 95% whose job might not be yet but they might be interested in working with us. Okay, I think that's it. Thank you. One of our hopes for the ALT Assembly is very much learning about what's going on within the ALT community and all the different things that are happening. And if like me you're not intimately familiar with the schedules of every single special interest groups or members groups, I'm hoping this session is informative. So next up we welcome one of our longest established member groups and please say hello to Joe and Vicky from ALT Scotland. As we get going and find the right hole to stick in, we've probably been going now for about 8 years. Our usual cycle is actually to have a planning committee that organises an event in about June time, which is where kind of FE and HE staff can get along to and we use a jisc mail list. We use a jisc mail list and I think I hope you all can hear me. We use a jisc mail list to keep in touch with everybody and we usually at the ALT conference, particularly this year when it's been in Scotland, we had a well-attended kind of update meeting that we have to when we're all together at the ALT conference, which we had today in our year now. You ready? Yeah, just about technology under pressure. So all we thought we'd do, there's the mug shots. We've been having the meetings recently at the City of Glasgow College. The items that we put on the agenda are items that come from the steering group and out of the jisc mail list. So what we try and reflect back at people are the kind of things that they're expressing an interest in. I don't know if you want to say anything. So there was a number of different aspects that really came out. The chatbots provided some food for thought in terms of the ethical aspects of chatbots for student queries and support. But there's a lot of focus on e-portfolios as well as the ongoing commitment of ALT Scotland to open educational resources. OK. That's all the current mug shots and you'll get that. I'm not spending too long chatting about who we all are. In the background, we're fortunate to have Sheila McNeill in an advisory role. So we often, often try to get an input direct from ALT just to tell us that we're talking about the right things or if there's any other lessons, any other sigs or any other work we should be learning from. We had some officers retire last year. Again, this is from upstairs so we always plug our own stuff. So that's a useful publication with some nice authors from the Scottish community. And if you've got anything that you would like to plug on your behalf, just let us know about the good work that you're doing so we can share it. And really finally, just to give you an indication of the kind of things we talk about in the background we're talking about today, is some things are aligning quite nicely. There's a new funding council IT strategy up here for further and higher education, which actually embeds open Scotland and open Scotland decorations. So it's a real good, and that's partly due to the support of all consistently helping Lona and I in open Scotland and getting the message out. And so these are the kind of policy landscape and some of the technical landscape that we're operating in. I'm at Glasgow College just now and iPads can be the biggest roll out of iPads anywhere in Europe or something. It's just about about to happen and that will clearly influence what universities and colleges in Glasgow have to have to do. And for next year. Yep, so we've assembled some ideas. These were some things that people suggested for the focus of next year's event. There seems to be a lot of focus on things like data analytics as well as unbundling the VLE and also accessibility. So a lot of the topical debates that have been covered in this conference we're going to be focusing on. Again, if you'd like to share your work in this area, just give us a shout. And that's us at any time you're up in Scotland. You're of course very welcome to come along to one of our out Scotland syguvates. Thank you. There is a blue lego USB. OK, great. Don't lose it. Excellent. And then we have next up. We're waiting with baited breath. We have a contribution from the Open Education Special Interest Group who signed up to another slot. Is there someone here from the group? Yes, hello. Do come up. A warm welcome for the Open Education Special Interest Group. I'm going to multitask and talk at the same time. So my name is Kelly Terrell and I'm from the University of Southampton and I'm the co-chair of the Ault Opened SIG along with Debbie, who is the other co-chair in multi jobs that she has. And I'm really standing in for Theresa McKinnon today who's our chair of our group on the spot. So Theresa put some slides together. There we are because I'd like to bring her into the room properly. She's probably watching now as we speak. This is just Theresa. Just giving an intro into what our group is about. Association for Learning Technology's Open Education Special Interest Group believes education is so important. It needs to be available for everyone. It is our mission to advocate for open education. We share the work of other organisations which advocate open educational practices in order to widen access to learning for all. Organisations such as those which develop open source technologies and those who promote open licensing. We host webinars, discussions and activities with the support of the Association for Learning Technology which contributes to the achievement of our aims. You can now find us on Twitter and just Google Open Education SIG or find us on the Ault website. So there's an awful lot of information about our group on the dedicated OECIG website. The group was established in 2012 and it's got all the information on there about our current committee members. We're very welcoming to anyone else that would like to get involved in the group. We actually had our meet-up this morning which was a great discussion about a number of things. Things that the group's been doing so largely we focus on running webinars, sharing best practice, giving people the opportunity to discuss and raise questions to people who are working in the open. The last one that we did was the preview for OER 19 which we've been very lucky that we seem to manage to get the keynote speakers to come along and run a webinar and have the opportunity to ask questions to them directly and sort of get a bit of a sneak peek of what they're going to be talking about which is great. Hopefully we're going to run some more webinars this year if we've got time. We're also very active in these conference events as well so as I said we had the meet-up this morning. We also tend to run a meet-up at the OER conferences as well and the Aught Winter Conference will be putting things on and Theresa tends to run fun sessions as well as sharing the work that we need to be doing. It's probably about it. I guess the other thing as I say is if anyone else wants to become a member if you want to just be part of the conversation the website is open. We're always looking for people to share blog posts on there as well. Theresa, open for all. We've got two more members groups who are going to share their work with us today. If you are in the room and you still want to present and we haven't come to you yet we have the White Rose Learning Technology group coming up and then the Al East England group coming up as well. If you want to present still please raise your hand or make yourselves known and we'll just get you up on stage. I've slightly lost my slides so I'm just going to get them back up. In the meantime please put your hands together for Graham McElhaney. Thanks very much. This is a rather, I think should we use ad hoc or impromptu as a means of describing what I'm going to tell you. The main thing to report is we've had two meetings this calendar year and they've both been in York actually so I was really interested in what the colleague from the Northeast group was saying because that was nearly going to be a really good segue if I'd gone on after you but that wasn't the case. You're absolutely right, I'll come on to what Lillian's doing in a moment but when we started which was quite a few years ago I think it was about 2010 it was a bit of an ad hoc one and it was actually really inspired by hearing people Matt Lingard of Rose Heaney talking about the M25 group and I thought what a fantastic thing we thought we were doing. The focus has been tends to be on what I'm not called crowd sourced meetings so we use Google Docs and an email discussion mainly and we allow or we like presenters to perhaps dictate what would they like to be in the group and one of the things we try to emphasise is that if you come and make a presentation to your local sig that is of course a great thing you can use as part of your C-mult or as part of your SFHEA so I think people have really kind of responded well to that so the first one of the year we had one of these kind of more open ones five sort of 20 minute sessions but then we also went a bit more thematic with our second meeting which was at the University of York at King's Manor which is an amazing place actually if you've not been it's an old medieval manor which they also hold the archaeology part of them and that was very much a focus on accessibility so again we were very lucky to have Alistair Macnaught come and present a webinar very much set the scene and Alistair is I think amenable to doing more of these gave us a sort of breakdown of just how scary some of that legislation might be and then we had a great presentation from Kirstyn Thompson in York effectively a workshop analysing in a rather more holistic way the accessibility around learning resources and then we gave our old friends Blackboard a bit of a pitch because they also said they'd pay for the lunch and so they came and actually showed us Ally because we know Ally's a really big player in this field at the moment so that's kind of what we've done I'm conscious of the fact that we don't have anything like the same developed membership and management structures that other colleagues are doing so I think that's a real work in progress for us to take on board and I've had four volunteers from the group to take a bit more of a structured approach this doing because as I'm sure you all know these things don't take zero time they take a bit of time to put together and the other thing I'm very conscious of is we probably ought to be doing more for members in terms of things like webinars in between physical meetings so again that's another thing we're going to look at so I'm really pleased to hear what people are doing there and I think perhaps I was really pleased that we had an old assembly meeting about two months ago via a webinar and that was a great way we had a bit of a focus on regional groups so I found that brilliant to be able to actually make contact with other people and find out what we're doing so that's been it for us really we're just going to start putting together the next meeting which I think we'll be in probably November time great stuff thank you very much cheers right so concluding our assembly members groups update is one more special interest group or rather a members group 40 east of England so Neil take it away hello so we were founded in November last year we've got three of us on the organising committee and we had our first event in May which was on gamification which was a lot of fun so we kind of theme our events around a topic that the institution suggests our next one is in November from the 8th of November in Bedford in Luton and it is on supporting the attainment gap with early technology and we're looking for presenters for that one so get in touch if you want to present and we're going to have our meeting in January so we've got three meetings a year that we're doing that's going to be at Anglia Ruskin University in Cambridge so we're going to have a day with that one sort of like a whole day the minute we've got a half a day so we're going to go for a full day it's like a celebration if you like of the group and we're doing a talk tomorrow a tour of the learning spaces at the University of Edinburgh that's at two o'clock it's in the Appleton Tower room 205 so if you fancy doing a bit of tweeting and also learning about the university what they have to offer then come along to that so thank you very much cheers now Morton Weller and I will just tell you a little bit about what's coming up in the next couple of months and thank you all for attending so Morton did you want to go through Marron declined my suggestion we do this as a wrap battle so coming up in the next few months we'll be carrying on with the strategy consultation that we outlined in various means published in that community guide which I think will be really useful for all the different groups we've seen today and then we'll have the winter conference and there's also an opportunity to input to the strategy there and Seamolk Pathways Engagement so launching that tomorrow the new ones and getting people to come forward with that don't this anymore Marron just that the next meeting of the assembly is on the 3rd of October so less than a month away the details of the meetings and the agenda are always openly accessible to all so please do come and join online at the meeting on the 3rd of October so thank you everyone I just want to say it was really good to hear from all different groups like I often don't know what different groups do so it was fascinating to hear from them I really enjoyed hearing them that was excellent so thank you everyone and we'll see you well we've got drinks now, is that right downstairs so free drinks I don't know if anyone's interested in free drinks we'll go and do that and then see you back tomorrow so thank you everyone for coming