 Let's see the breakfast and plus TV Africa, we have Yahoza Ghetzal who joins the conversation as we look at the imminent threats following the prison break in Abuja. It's no longer news that a custodial facility in Kujir area of Niger's capital, Abuja, was breached on Wednesday by the Islamic State West African province, Eastwep, costing hundreds of detainees to regain freedom, including those held on the charges of commuting acts of terrorism. The medium security facility is one that is central in holding people who are facing charges of terrorism. Now in a statement that was released through a propaganda news outlet, it made claims saying they're responsible for the attack, saying its fighters demolished the worlds of the facility and successfully liberated dozens of prisoners. Reports also say that the authorities crumble for reinforcement and response to the raid which involved the use of explosive devices and detainees escape. The country's Minister of Defense Bashir Magashi quoted to say that an assessment of the incident and profiling of the escapees aren't going. He also added that the prison had about 994 inmates and over 600 escaped. Some of the prisoners who escaped have been recaptured according to him and returned to the facility. Maybe by the close of day we'll have captured and return every other person. I mean, sounds like it's very easy. You know, the Defense Minister also noted that the attackers were mostly likely Boko Haram members because we have a sizable number of Boko Haram suspecting detention and presently according to him, they cannot locate any of them. Okay. Now the attack also following the claim by East Web members speaking about freeing prisoners in 39 minutes long video. It was actually, you know, sent out. Well, just a little bit of that as we have Yawza Getso showing his thoughts and telling us what he understands with the current situation. What's going on with it. Yawza Getso, thank you so much for being part of the breakfast discussion. Thank you very much. All right. So can you quickly tell us as an expert that you are, can you tell us what you know about this attack and what you think about the attack? Well, I cannot say I know anything about the attack because if I say I know anything about the attack, it means I have the preliminary information. So but what I see and what my thought about it is the fact that it is exhibiting and exposing the Bahara demonstration more, exposing its incapability, exposing its inability, exposing its lack of sincerity and honesty, exposing its weaknesses and exposing its inability to manage intelligence, together intelligence and to utilize intelligence. And it's also explaining its inability to provide adequate modern technology to deal with the criminal and terrorists. This is the fact that it has been claiming to have spend huge amount of money over time from the time when they came into power today. They have been receiving people with the Tocano. They have been receiving people with the other arms they procured. And it has also explained and exposed the level of corruption, the level of inability of the government to deal with the corruption, because it has been made very clear by later General Attahiro, the former Chief of Army, who died in Kadunaflan Crush, who made it very clear at a session to learn a preliminary session with the Senate Committee on Army when he submitted reports on expenditure and procurement of hardware and other things. When they asked him a number of questions and he responded and I caught. You know who you give your money? You know when you give the money? You know how much you give them? They are in my office. You know them. You can call them to come and explain to you how the money was spent. So and at the same time, the National Security Advisor had made mention in a statement credited to the BBC House of Human Rights BBC, where he made mention that huge amount of money had been given to the military and other security personnel for the parties and procurement of modern technology in order to fight terrorists, armed bandits, Boko Haram, ESN and others. But yet all we are seeing and all we are hearing from Bahá'u'lláh administration is lies. All we are hearing and seeing from Bahá'u'lláh administration is in respect to security is disappointment. It's an embarrassment, it's a national embarrassment and even international embarrassment. Because how can you? Agile break happens sometimes in Kaba, in Kogi State and later in Plato State in Jaws. But yet Nigeria and Nigerian government as well as Bahá'u'lláh administration did not take any lesson. Whenever there is any activity of such security breach by criminals, by bandits, by whosoever, Laia Muhamedu will come out with a list of information, will come out and tell us that they know the finances of the Boko Haram, they know the finances of ISWAP, they know the finances of all the criminals that we have in the country, including the ESN, the bandits and kidnappers for and so on and so forth. But yet the government have not been able to clamp them down. So this is exhibition of irresponsible. In fact, if you say there is no government in Nigeria as far as I'm concerned, you're supposed to be rewarded. Because a government that cannot attack responsibility of its constitutional responsibility cannot demonstrate ability to manage situations. Common situation. Where are the air force base we have? Where are the other military formations, the DSS headquarters? How many mobile police units do we have in Abuja? And how can this activity happen? For these guys to come and launch the attack, successfully leave. Kuji have only one entrance, only one entrance, not two entrants. So if by the time they started attacking at around 945, 1010 or 5 PM, between Kuji and all the military formations is not up to, up to the maximum of 60 kilometers. And between Kuji and the airport international, Namdi Azuku International Airport in Abuja, where you have air force base, where you have air force mighty, where you have air force so-called Tukano, where you have air force, so-called military countermeasures, and so on and so forth. You have so many security formations. It's not up to seven kilometers. And at the same time between Kuji and the first headquarters, at maximum is 35 kilometers. And then between Kuji and DSS of DSS headquarters, at maximum is 20 kilometers. Between Kuji and presidency, the presidential villa is not up to, at maximum is 35 to 40 kilometers. So why didn't you use all these machineries to fight them, using the airstrike and others, so that you can be able to demoralize them, neutralize them, and be able to kind of arrest some of the, the, the culprit. But it is sad. Disappointing, discouraging that Buhara administration will always tell you after, what do I call it, after actually reviewed. And after, after actually reviewed, will be, Buhari will just go on air and say, I will insure, I will insure, I will insure. You insure what? You insure that more of you are working there, so what? Yeah, I was a get so. Let's just stay with the conversation now, the Kuji prison attack, and the fact that ISWAP has claimed responsibility for freeing this terrorist. The president on the one hand has expressed shock. And also he's blamed the intelligence system for how organized, you know, these terrorists can be attack, you know, a facility with all of these weapons without a counter attack. What are your thoughts? Do you think that in the fight against insecurity in Nigeria, that intelligence gathering is a major problem for us? That is a brutal psychology and mental kind of dislocation. That's what I consider it. Because it's clearly exhibit and explain that Buhari is never serious about issues of security in Nigeria. How can you have such a situation when presidential convoy was attacked? And ACP that has been very dedicated, very committed, very hardworking, very passionate, very patriotic has been killed in Koguna. Your convoy was attacked in a national prison of that a mighty prison that have a very high profile criminal indication. That is the Kuji was was broken by criminals. And then you just make a short, short brief, a short press brief and tell people that you are blaming intelligence and you fly to Senegal. Why can't you cancel the the journey? Whatever important it is. Does that mean that the people that are being not losing their life, you are traveling that you are wasting resources and receiving Nigerians? And yet there is no reward for Nigeria from all the the worker around that you are doing. Is are you trying to tell Nigerians that you are putting the blame on on on intelligence? If you are putting the blame on intelligence, when the just jailbreak happens, and when that of a Kaba or Kuji state happens. And all other when when a lot of national imprisonment, a lot of attacks, and people are being killed, you are still promoting military, you are still promoting DSS, you are still promoting commissioners, police officers. On what merit are you promoting them? And you are still promoting the intelligence you have been promoting them from the position from the lieutenant to to captain from captain to major from major to whatever from lieutenant colonel to colonel from colonel to Brigadier Brigadier to Brigadier general Brigadier general to lieutenant general lieutenant general to major general. And all this nonsense you are doing. Why can't you use conditional promotion? Who so ever is responsible for security of so so so of intelligence of area ABCD, his promotion will be determined by his ability to manage those areas. But how many people have been how many intelligence personnel have been abusing their offices using infinity? Look at their financial profiling. Why are they getting all this resources and all those money they own? And you are saying that you put the blame on on on intelligence. So if you put the blame on intelligence, what action have you taken? There was nobody was asked to was forced to resign. Nobody was dismissed. Nobody was suspended. You're saying that the president was removed because of all this nonsense and nuisance. And you are still telling people that you are you are you are putting the blame on intelligence. So what action have you taken on the intelligence during all this? So are you saying that, you know, the the issue of intelligence or the intelligence system in security process is not faulted. You don't support the president on that as much as it's okay to want to blame the president. What exactly is the issue? Why we have the kind of jets and what it is. And it feels like we're being overwhelmed by this terrorist. Sorry, your question is doing what wasn't correct me. My question is, do you support the position of the president that intelligence system is a failure and failed? And that's the reason why that attack was successful without a counter attack. So let me you will have overhaul the the intelligence. There was no counter attack because of the weakness of the government. There was no counter attack because of the inability of the government to deal with situation. There is no counter attack because the government is never responsible. There is no counter attack because the government exhibit its weakness and inability to take its constitutional responsibility. Nigeria's have a mandate for them to be from provided with right and adequate security and use the intelligence and gather the intelligence administer the use the whatever information you have from the intelligence and deal with situation decisively. How many of this type of these attacks have happened before? Was there any suspension of any intelligence personnel? Was there any was there anybody that was asked to resign because of his ability to deliver? So the president has to over see explain from the side is because you or she was found wanting and the president is responsible for overseeing all of the suspension and all that should happen in the intelligence unit. Sorry, the president should be held responsible for ensuring that people are sacked or someone is taking responsibility in that particular light. Is that what you're saying? Who appointed the intelligence chiefs? All right. Quickly. You know the president. Yeah, I also guess so. Yeah, let's let's just add this one just as you answer because we're out of time now. What should we be expecting as Nigerians, especially those who live in the FCT? We have that out of 900, about a thousand inmates, you have 111 inmates left, according to the reports that we're getting and all of the feelers. So what should be the expectation? What is the implication of all of this on our security? Those that have been relieved by the attackers, especially the Boko Haram and E-Source members, they will definitely, they're not going to be in the FCT. The rest are short. They will distribute themselves or group somewhere, or organize themselves for further learning of more attacks, especially I'm calling on the public to be very, very careful, especially a wrestler to church and mocks activities, public places, avoid public places unless it is very necessary. Most especially the coming Salah celebration, people should be very, very careful because these guys will organize themselves and launch their attacks on government facilities, on public facilities and public places. They can mobilize themselves and detonate explosives around markets, churches, mosques and so on and so forth. Mosques, so people need to be very, very careful. And then if you have any information and there is any way you can help the intelligence, provide the information quietly and be careful for your identity, because most of our intelligence and security personnel are also not sincere and honest, because you provide them with information, they will go by the site and provide your information to the country and say it was Mr. John, Agil Kuley, Amit, or so, so, so street, or so, so, so number, or so, so, so this, they will provide your identity. That is why Nigerians are not having confidence and trust on the intelligence in terms of providing them with required information. Well, Yalza Gatil, thank you so much for being part of the show. We appreciate your time this morning. Thank you very much for the time. Thank you, Mr. Nelson. You were a stopper time. Ladies and gentlemen, the size of a conversation right here on the breakfast, we take a break. When we return, the show continues. Stay with us.