 I'm happy to be able to talk to these two persons. We have contributed a lot to this cooperation and they are, I would say, the driving forces behind this collaboration. So in my next interview, in this video interview, there will be Roland Zellers, he is Vice President Global Territory Sales at Autodesk and Jürgen Schomarkas, managing partner Germany and Switzerland at Esri Deutschland. So they are with me right now and first of all, hello and how are you doing? I mean, we are in a very special time. We meet digital. Is there a kind of new normal in your everyday life or how do you manage to keep business running in these times of the COVID-19 pandemic? That's quite an interesting and challenging year, year 2020. So I think we started, we had our own conference in March this year or we had two in March and maybe there was a last one which was really physical. And after that, yeah, we more or less shut down the company in terms of getting completely virtual. So currently we're still in a virtual mode. So we decided we do everything virtual. We are trying to avoid physical meetings. Today I'm looking at my dashboard. Today we have around one-third of the people in the office and two-thirds are in the home office. Myself it's quite normal at the moment. So I'm spending more or less 70% of my time in the home office using video conferencing, trying to keep in touch with our people and with the customers. Business-wise it's interesting, it's quite okay. So there's not a big, big decline in business. So we're quite doing quite well. But of course we have to learn to get more digital in total. So that means working together, cooperating digital together internally but also with our customers. And overall it's quite a big boost for digitalization of our company at the moment. I'm alive and healthy. And all my colleagues are doing well. So thanks for asking. We reacted quite fast and I think our main concern was our customers. So when we started, I think we made our cloud products available for our customers and also let them use the products we have charged at the very beginning just to get adopted and keep the business running on the digitalization. And we were in an interesting phase because we transformed our whole company to a subscription-based company. And a lot of our customers already were working with the cloud licensing in a cloud licensing or subscription model. And that environment, it doesn't matter where you physically located. So these customers could work. All the kind of customers and all the models we helped to move kind of to the new world like the kind of digitalization boost everybody's experiencing. Business went on. I think we saw kind of the lockdowns of the countries and we see kind of the lockdown and the opening of the countries and business was following. We had two good quarters so far as a company. So I think we, you know, we're growing double digit. Nothing to be concerned I think for customers, partners and our employees. Maybe one interesting learning. And I guess a lot of us have the same thing. When you're in your company and you have this test of a fire alarm, I guess very often like a wrong time. I'm not interested why we do that. I completely changed my opinion about these things because like our back office, once a quarter they were always doing this kind of tests. What happens if there's a big fire in San Francisco, complete outage of energy in Europe and how can you work offline at home? And they did test it every quarter. So when the pandemic happened, for them it was like one of these tests and they could just go within minutes. When I saw that, next time there's a fire alarm test, I definitely will pack my stuff and leave the building and follow the instructions. And I think this is something I think we probably, it's an interesting learning and there's a good reason why you do these tests and also there's a good reason why when we fly the pilot talks us through the security measures. It's important and I think it's something to take serious. Thank you very much for these insights about your new everyday life. And in the year 2020 has taken also a new way. We are digital, we cannot meet physical, so what is your impression? It's the first time, so it's always good to do something the first time and being at a premiere or something. So I think this is an interesting environment. Secondly, it's not so uncommon for myself because I'm traveling 240, 250 days a year and I'm running a global team. So regardless of where I'm currently, I'm located in my normal world and work pattern, two-thirds to three-quarters of the team is virtual and I run most of the meetings like that. So it's nothing very uncommon. What's missing is the real connection to the real life and I feel that and I think this becomes the more painful part for me is not touching people, but sitting down, having a deep conversation, going to the whiteboard, going through all the details. There's all the kind of reality checks which are falling down and missing. But other than that, I think it's possible to continue at work. Yeah, as Roland mentioned, I think it's the same experience here. Many things are done the first time now, not only for us, we are compared at the same stage, so we are doing a lot of things. We did already before COVID very virtual and we're working very digital, but also for our customers. And I think it's on the one side a good experience because you can maybe take more out of a virtual event. On the other side, I think what we're all missing is the physical and the human interaction and this is valid for our people internally, but it's also valid in discussions with customers. So my personal take after six months or seven months COVID now is from the efficiency to learn and to get insights into special technology trends and things like that, it's very good. So it's maybe even more efficient than in the physical world, but what we're totally missing is interaction with people and the human factor. And this is something which concerns me and honestly makes me a little bit nervous because it's something, what I like, I like to interact with people and I'm missing that. So I totally agree. I mean, I miss meeting people or gatherings, but I see we are so many people here on this digital platform and this really feels good being digitally connected. So let's have a look at your partnership. Autodesk and SRE are joining forces to put GIS and BIM data at the center of projects. So why are you partnering? So let me go back to the beginning of the whole idea, which is how can we create value for our customers? And as Autodesk is very strong in the whole billing information area, the user right is very strong on the kind of position of where and no building, no street, no rail is built in space. It's built on some place. So working together and let the data flow is an obvious good thing. So Jack Benjamin and I ran across our CEO came up with this technical partnership of letting the data flow as this is great and we had the first products available, then we started to join forces and work together on the local level. So Jürgen and I met at that time still in a coffee mionic and agreed, okay, how can we do that? So reaching out to customers, get customers verifying what our thinking is of the real value created at the customer and building kind of a project roadmap on how we can work together. So and be in the middle of that and that's also the reason why we meet together here. And I think Jürgen can definitely tell a little bit more the continuation of the story and where we are now. The good old times when we are still at physical meetings. I remember that it was the beginning of the year. Yeah, it's a little bit of a story of something is growing together which is fitting together as Ronald mentioned. So every building is somewhere in space and all this is world-class in building and construction and business information modeling and as we as world-class in asking doing the science of where and answering the questions, where is happening what? And I would add so we, especially our customers or customers who are sometimes or in many areas are already joined customers on the one side, the construction people on the other side that we say the GIS people. And they had some borders between the systems but the users of the systems are always asking, okay, on the one side I would like to scale up or scale down from a building to the region from the region to the city, from the city and to the state and back from state to region to city to building. And so everything in every is somewhere in a spatial context. And therefore what our target of course is that we can build together not only a digital twin of building but also a digital twin of the salon and landscape so that you have really a complete picture. And I think this is as Ronald mentioned, we are discussing this with customers, we are discussing the value behind this with customers and the feedback we are getting is tremendous. So because this is, so we have broken down some borders which were only artificial. The reason we're also showing up here together is to give our customers the confidence this is not only a webpage or a marketing event, it's also real people working together and make sure this is working and they have the confidence when they go down this road there are physical people they can ask and definitely will help to fix the problems if something occurs or will definitely be available to create really the benefit of our vision. Let's look at topics like climate change, population growth or mass urbanization. So how do then BIM and GIS working together to address these global challenges? Yeah, maybe I can start on that. So yeah, I think we are living in a quite challenging world. It's not only the wave of COVID, it's we are talking about climate change, we are talking about biodiversity, all really global challenges or mass urbanization and growing populations. And there are quite real problems we are working on. And from our point of view, and I think from a joint point of view, out of Deskeneswe, we have the technology which can give some answers to questions which have to be solved in that context. Looking for example, climate change, if we are talking about the changes you have in the landscape, if we're talking about the changes you have to make in building and constructions, and if you can put it in the same context, you're getting more integrated answers to work on really problem-solving approaches in that way. I am passionate about the partnership for multiple reasons. And I think it's kind of there's technical reasons, but there's also everything going on. And I want to use the auto-designation which is like we help people imagine, design and make a better world. It's technically on what we do, but it's also philanthropic on what we believe in. And building on what you just said is if you think about the climate change and just on the building industry on 50% of the CO2 emissions are coming from buildings, in making sure that buildings are more designed and made like a product. And that's the whole idea behind the building information modeling. We can actually reduce the carbon footprint of every single building. Pre-fabrication, which is the convergence of manufacturing technology with BIM, will help even more on doing that. So that's one area where I think I see we have a big contribution. The second one is, and I am really passionate about the idea of the new green deal in Europe, which is not yet done, to have this idea of right to repair. Similar to the GDP, the privacy laws in Europe, right to be forgotten. Similar idea, right to be to repair. That means it forces products, buildings to constantly have go into a renovation retrofit project and you kind of reuse it, which also will create a lot of innovation we're using based at the beginning, making sure there's no waste on the way. Can you recycle everything? You have to manage the whole life cycle. And doing that in a spatial context is extremely important because it's not the one single building you wanna measure. If you think about a city or a rail or street project, you have to do it in a bigger landscape and a scale and really measure the impact and also do the improvements of that. Because long-term, we can only do that if you do it with simulation, analysis, and then have a constant improvement on the planning and the construction site. So that's why I think there is immediate benefit for the customers and we have several great customers who work on that. I think there's examples on the German rail, there's examples of Swiss rail, Ital fair, so it's in the rail industry. We have construction companies doing that. And the bigger vision, longer term, will be what's under the term of smart city. I think it's kind of a little bit fluffy at the moment, but what I just described on buildings and multiple buildings in the space, I think that's where I think the partnership of Israel and Autodesk will definitely make a better world. Maybe I can add two words on that and I'm sharing the passion about the new green deal. And you mentioned, Roland, just mentioned about energy efficiency in building and construction. But if you go down the road a little bit further, you have a planning phase. So where I am building my new houses, where how is the more energy efficiency, traffic space and streets around that? Where are the energies of supply? Where can I use solar energy? Where can I use wind energies? All these are questions which are belonging together to have a complete picture, to let me say a more climate and climate friendly approach to, for example, smart cities. And I would really underline that, the joint forces between Autodesk and Aceriz definitely providing solutions and answers to very, very urgent questions we have at the moment. Thank you for these insights into the future with BIM and GIS. So what do you think about, what is your prediction about the new normal? So the future of events, they are going fully digital or hybrid or, yeah, just let us know here something more about your prediction about Intergeo, for example. There will be a renaissance of exhibitions because people will miss so much the human interaction, but I also convinced the digital platform will continue. So it will be a hybrid model going forward long term, which I think it also helps on the climate change. If you think about, you can reduce travel and you need to find the right balance between where you need and want it and where I think you can use a digital interaction. For me, Intergeo means a lot. I think I'm a surveying engineer. I'm a regular participant on the Intergeo for since 1984. And sometimes when my colleagues ask, okay, what is Intergeo or the formerly known GeoDaten tag, I also mentioned, this is 175 years ago and this was started, this idea. This is at the time when in Dodge City, cowboys were shooting at each other. We were talking about GeoDacy and how to manage land. So I think it's a long history. I have a lot of personal connection to this. So that's why I think it's important that it continues for the customers and the users. I think there's a big, big benefit because what we just talked about, I think companies have good ideas. I think people know each other and create new synergies. Yes, you can learn them on, in the internet you can publish that. But I think actually meeting people, talking about your own problem and how you can apply these solutions only happens in a platform, you need a platform. And I think an exhibition is a great platform where you can bring people together from different disciplines, different companies and really creating synergies which definitely will help to improve society, environment and also technology. Yeah, maybe I can add on that. So I'm also one of the old, already GeoDatentag users and visitors. So I'm also in this business since I don't know, more or less 30 years or maybe even longer. And for my background, I'm not a surveyor but I'm a geographer and geographers are really people who believe in synergies between disciplines. So geographers know a lot about everything but deep knowledge about nothing. So that may be the difference. And for us and for me personally, of course, intergeal was always a place to meet people from different disciplines. And I would totally agree with Roland. Our view on the change after COVID will be that of course the digital forms will stay. They will stay definitely. There are so many synergies you can work so much more globally with more people but we also believe that it will definitely be in a hybrid world. So we hope and we hope we can sooner, hopefully sooner meet people again, having these platforms to talk really in a physical way to colleagues, people and also even to competitors to understand what's going on and to find better solutions. This is something you can partly do virtual but they are the big part which you can't do virtual because it's human centric. And therefore, again, it's quite interesting times to work in this digital format but I think we all hope that a little bit of our old world is coming back. And I think one thing I was looking forward which we now do virtually if people would come to the interview and you physically can see Israel and all that's next to each other and then you can also see the physical connection and these people who are connected, who like each other, who like to work which I think gives the confidence and the trust for everybody to go on this journey is a good idea and nobody needs to worry.