 Hey, I'm an entry. Are you guys ready? Yeah All right Good morning, everyone. Good afternoon Wherever you're joining from. Thank you for joining us today It's my honor to bring to today's presenters to you. I'm an entry I'm an is a senior technology architect for IBM's telecom and media labs and he works closely with their Clients technical requirements to design and develop industry accelerators that showcase IBM's offering specifically AI analytics blockchain cloud Trey Trey Lewis is an IT specialist for IBM's telecom and media labs as well and is responsible for Development work on industry accelerators in the areas of blockchain cloud and IOT and network automation With that, I would like to invite our presenters for the day to take over but before we begin just a quick housekeeping items folks If you have any questions from the start, please feel free to put them in the chat I will be monitoring the questions and I can table them towards the end And we can take it from there. I'm an entry. Are you good with that or would you rather make this an interactive session or? Have the questions pop in in between What would be your preference? I Think it's good to keep track of questions and we can try to answer that towards the end Just a note to the audience. So In today's session, we'll try to focus more on the live demonstration So we have to use cases that you plan to present. So we'll try to keep The time for presentations or slides a little lower side so for the live demonstration part it's it's good to have it continuously so that You can all see end-to-end automation and how we're using hyperlator in that. So that will help us We are able to run it all continuously without much stopping points Sounds good sounds good. So as he said, please folks submit your questions in the chat I'll be monitoring and I will be Tabling them towards the end and we'll take it from there. So I'm an entry We start your presentation. Thank you So and thanks firstly, thanks Jyothi for the introductions So into basically what we are presenting today in this session is how We are using blockchain in our case. We're using IBM's platform, which is powered by hyperledger In our various 5g use cases In which we show end-to-end network deployment and automation for 5g and edge solutions so before we and again as I said, we will be presenting Two use cases today, but I'll be giving an introduction of what 5g and edges To start with what are different industry use cases that we are working on and then we'll go and show a demonstration of two sample use cases so What is 5g and edge so I'm Most likely I think everyone is now familiar 5g that how it is the new technology standard for telcos that provides more network agility faster deployment more availability and bandwidth for the applications and also how this is more Enabling the usage of virtualization in the network front So how it so because of the new network virtualization We now call the new telecom core as new core and the new radio which can be easily spanned up and bring brought down by using the virtualization technologies and how it enables the new use cases required for IoT and industry 4.0 and Talking about now industry and IoT and industry 4.0 Then it takes us into the concept of edge that what does H mean or edge computing means so what in a nutshell it what it mainly means is that how we are Increasing the compute power where it really matters, which is more close to the use The applications and the consumers So how we are able to add more computational power to the edge Which is closer to the applications where IoT devices need need to use that bandwidth The industry 4.0 use case let your son or daughter name you for work Okay, so so really basically where we really need more lower latency and higher speed So now basically I'm going to quickly give a very high-level view of 5g an edge landscape. It's it's difficult to cover the entire picture in a single session So I'll try to give a little bit of overview. So basically you see that how we have Industrial data centers and application centers where there could be many different applications and even physical devices like IoT devices sensors even user devices So you see a cluster of edge devices here and then these can be used at various locations like Like a stadium like a customer hub etc. And then how this is connected to different 5g and networks And then basically this brings up the division between the customer edge on the industry edge and the network edge and then this 5g and Network edge can be connected to public and private cloud and then also to other network interfaces like Wi-Fi or any other Connectivity medium. So this kind of explains the the different Lamscape landscape that we're looking at the the reason to bring it up in this presentation is that how this brings up a high opportunity for blocks application of a Technology like blockchain because now in this landscape, there are many multiple players that are working together to bring this ecosystem Working end-to-end. So there might be physical equipment providers for different sensors and handsets and other user devices. There might be Licensing or the virtualization Technology vendors who are providing network functions to create this network edge and the edge clusters And then there might be other cloud providers that provide The public and private cloud just as an example. So that's the reason we are using or highlighting these use cases We are using blockchain and hyper ledger to to enable this ecosystem So this is just a small list of different industry use cases that we're working on Spectrum management is a very good use case With 5g as you as you know that the different spectrums available in different geographic optical locations are limited. So there's a lot of Transactions and a lot of The details into how these spectrums are bought or even leased out to different Telcos when they need to use it same concept applies on infrastructure management as well Moving to 5g means more smaller cells more infrastructure that needs to be laid down to cover Different locations. So there are oems or original equipment manufacturer that creates this infrastructure and leads it out to different Providers. So so how we can use a blockchain to enable transactions into that complex environment Network slicing again. This is one of the key use cases in 5g that how In 5g now we can create slices for different application usages different user groups, etc and how to manage licensing around that And security is another aspect that how we are managing making each and every layer in this network infrastructure secure and how we are providing visibility into that security layer to different Participants in the ecosystem and and and there are the use cases like smarter cities worker safety in industry and so on So today what we're going to do we're going to cover two use cases as I mentioned One is where we show how we are using hyper ledger as a ledger technology to manage transactions in us Deployment of a 5g network service then Given how much time we have we're also going to show how we are Managing the life cycle like for example a security event of that 5g service and making that Life cycle events available to different participants easily viewable from a ledger perspective So before we go into those use cases, I just want to quickly cover a sample architecture that we are using behind this demo So as you can see in this we have three portions one is the csv cloud Where we have the bss and the operational components running we have our network automation orchestration platform We have our edge application management platform And then how we are also integrating that with our smart or I should say the the smart contract logic that's Running at the core of our hyper ledger platform And then all this can be running on across a single or a multiple cloud Which is in our case we are using open chip to host as as the vim layer of the cloud and then on the network cloud we have the network core components getting deployed and then we are also running a peer node onto that cloud so that we can get insight into those deployments and share that into the transactional database And then at the network edge we act we have the the edge devices sensors user devices running and also some of the network edge components in this case du is actually part of a radio service that gets deployed onto the telco edge in our scenario So this was just a high level overview of the architecture that we are using behind this use case so With this I like to transition into our first Demonstration that we want to show today So the first demonstration use case that we want to show is around 5g network license So think about 5g network slice as just an example of a network service that is getting deployed in our environment So what you will be seeing is that how we are integrating our orchestration platform With a business service support system in this case that system consists of order order management platform and On top of that there is a service catalog So new users can go into that service catalog and request for network services to be deployed As that request is getting processed by the order management It's it triggers our orchestration platform to deploy different components of our 5g network across different clouds So in this case we'll see a new 5g core getting deployed on which we'll do some slice configuration It will connect it to a multimedia service Then it will also connect the service to a radio service running on the network cloud and edge and then to the transport layer Which is represented by a software defined network controller here So where is blockchain in this case? so As you see that we are basically doing a whole end to end supply chain of this Network to deploy all different components. So There might be someone involved to do the physical Setup before these clouds can be an That come up live Someone needs to provide the 5g core somewhere to need to provide the radio and etc etc So as we are processing this network service deployment through the business process system Triggering the orchestration. We are tracking each and every event on hyper ledger So on the when we run the demo, you will see that As these order order is getting provision And as it is requesting for licenses for this services, how we are tracking transactions onto our hyper ledger system And also how this can provide visibility to different players who are affected by this ecosystem So With this now i'll pass it on to kray to take us to through the live demonstration of the sample use case kray All yours. Thanks. I'm on i'll take over from here Okay, um, so first we're going to start here on our orchestration platform um I'm going to mention that uh, this is our out of the box ui for our cloud pack for network automation um, and what we're viewing uh during this demo is going to be the service designer portion Uh of the cloud pack So we're going to start off We're going to start off by looking at one of the components Or the slice component that's deployed during this Demonstration, which is going to be our ibm 5g slice assembly. So these assemblies We can using our orchestration tool we can Create a service design templates that we can then use later um For network services. Um, so this is a design template that we have already created that we're going to be taking advantage of during this demo Using the platform designer we can click and drag and drop From our network inventory functions and chain those Functions together to create this service design template that we see here Using this platform we can also update and test these templates on the fly And once they're tested they can be used in our production environment to be integrated with our service catalog that we're going to see here in a second Where orders can be requested for new network services So now i'm going to move over to our order captured dashboard Um, and before we get started i'm going to mention that this is not a production ui But it's a demo environment that that we created to show a sample order management platform To to demonstrate this use case So i'm going to start with uh, select our user. We're going to select john For this case and we're going to enter A new customer name. Um, it's going to do new cust just For the sake of this demo And then seeing as we're doing a 5g slice demonstration i'm going to select the 5g services from the list of services available to the customer And we're going to select our city as dallas for this new customer um, and then below that you're going to see the uh different network service options available for this user um that this user can Uh submit a request to be provisions And today we're going to submit a silver network slice for this user So we're going to click on submit here and then we're going to confirm the submission request And while this is submitting what is happening in the background here is that We have integrated with ibm's order management platform called sterling commerce in the back end And an actual code is being submitted, which will be processed by the order management platform And as the processing processing of this order is taking place Transactions are being recorded. Uh, and the creation of assets is being recorded On the blockchain by our hyper ledger platform So we see now that the quote is successfully submitted and we'll move over to our csp dashboard And moving on to this dashboard i'm going to repeat that This is a production and not a production ui. It's a demo ui that we used to showcase this demo And we also use this ui to Show the different viewpoints of different of vendors that could be working along with the csp So the the communication service providers could be working with different vendors to Successfully deploy the required services and equipment for The service deployment. Um, so that may be working with different field agents X and F providers and equipment providers To deploy the components that are required as part of our service So if we refresh the page here, we should see a new slice order pop up here at the front And we we can drill into the details Of this of this slice order And so for the sake of this demo, we're going to assume that Our physical equipment is already present in in our deployment location So we're going to see a status of complete here for our physical components. So there's no Provisioning or assignment that needs to take place with our physical component. We already we're going to say we already have that in place Um, so then the the last two steps will need to deploy this service order is going to be to apply the correct license to deploy our 5g virtual elements In this case and then to deploy the 5g service itself So clicking on this virtual component Assign button is going to what's going to happen in the background here is Hyper ledger will check the asset inventory And apply the correct license used by the service provision and we'll see a new block Appeared here, which is going to represent new transactions being written To the to our blockchain platform and being tracked by hyper ledger So if we go down to our vnf provider view, we'll be able to see the different licenses that we currently have access to And if we drill into this first one We'll see that this is our 5g network slice license that we're going to need for this particular service order So moving back to our csp dashboard view and opening up this slice Here we should see that our 5g license has been successfully applied to this virtual component, which we see that here We see it listed here under the license info that Our 5g license has been successfully applied And now we're able to provision our virtual component So we'll be able to provision the 5g slice now that the license has been confirmed So we're going to click on this virtual component provision button And what's happening here is It will trigger our northbound api for our orchestration platform To provision this service in production and we'll also see A new block be generated here once That has happened So we see the new block that's Come up and with the status of vnf to sign assigned So going back to our orchestration platform If we look at our recent assemblies, we'll see that Our slice is currently being provisioned And being brought up by our orchestration platform And so using our orchestration platform We have the ability to kind of drill into our execution And see where that is in its process So we're going to open it and see how The installation is coming so everything is coming along pretty well And as part of this 5g service We're deploying containerized 5g core and user point to our open shift platform So if we come over to our open shift Of console here We'll see all of the pods that have been spun up as a result of this Service deployment You can see all the pods here and That they've been created Just a minute ago and less than a minute ago In response to The deployment by our orchestration platform So if we return back to the platform, we see that Here everything's been successfully submitted And another thing we can also do during this deployment Is track the network Network events using our assurance platform So I'm going to come over to our net cool platform And I will need our Slice name And so I'm going to enter our slice name here in our event viewer And here we'll see all the events that were generated as a result of Deploying this the service order for this 5g slice And here we also are able to view the topology That was created by this Network service. So if we again Paste in Our Slice name And drill into view topology We'll see the topology that was created For this service. We'll see the different components that were deployed And how they were connected to To generate this and complete this service order So to kind of summarize what we Kind of just went through. We started off by Requesting an order, a customer requesting an order from our service catalog Then that order was processed and the transactions and asset creation was Tracked by our hyperledger platform on our blockchain When the service was provisioned, I triggered an API on our orchestration platform And which used one of our pre-created design network Templates to deploy a new 5g service on our cloud platform, which in this case Is going to be our OpenShift platform And we're also able to Monitor the different events of this network deployment and view the topology Of this network deployment live as it's as the service is deployed So now if we go back to The detailed view of our slice, we should see that all of the components are now successfully provisioned And which means they're all up and running and that this 5g slice was able to successfully be deployed So we see here that the physical component virtual component and then the logical component Are all in a running state, which means that this deployment was successful I also want to point out that all of our life cycle Status events for each of our components are Tracked by The hyperledger platform So if there was an issue Deploying any component Or if there was an incorrect license If there was a problem applying the license We would see that status message here and we would be able to get a detailed notes about it here in our notes section to see What exactly went wrong during that deployment? And again, that's all tracked by our hyperledger platform as well So that's That's it for the 5g slice demo, and I'm going to pass it back over to Amon to To show our security demo Thanks, rave, and I'll need you to stop sharing before I can share Okay, so what we saw in this first use case is that how we used hyperledger to track Different events in the journey of A service order that was placed by a customer on an auto management platform To where that order management was placed Into different components to be deployed To the trigger that went to our orchestration to deploy those network components the 5g core the multimedia services the radio and the transport layer On different clouds and As we are deploying these components There might be licenses required for the 5g spectrum for the slice for the slicing and etc All different components how we can map also use the 5g And etc all different components how we can map also use the smart contract on hyperledger to smartly manage the inventory of licenses that are Operator might have ownership to or the operator might have to get those licenses from other vendors So in addition to that I've raised mentioned towards the end of the demo that we are also managing the assurance of this network service As it is getting deployed. So in our case, we're using What's an AI ops or IBM assurance network assurance platform for this? So you sure We were able to see that how we were tracking network events. So we were tracking topology of the network service So let's say something goes wrong on any anywhere in our network cloud That affects the service. So how do we get to How we get alerted on this network failure or any security alarm on the assurance platform And how can this be tracked and notified to different vendors is also where we are using hyperledger So the next use case is one example Of this scenario. So we have different closed loop scenarios when we say closed loop is basically a loop to Learn the behavior of network to identify any threats and then apply the remediation action So so in this case, it's it's a closed loop to Enable security on our 5g core. So what we'll see is that How we are monitoring the security of the containers that are running for the 5g core and Sorry, I should have mentioned this earlier. So In our deployment that you saw live We deployed a containerize or a cloud native 5g core onto openshift platform as A tray showed in the live demo. So we're going to see how that how we are monitoring and Tampering with those containers that are running our 5g code. So in this case, we are using a third party Platform from Palo Alto called Prisma compute, which is basically the container monitoring system so so as we Go in and do some activity on the container, which is not allowed by the policy We'll see that how it's getting tracked by the container security platform Then it's gets sent to IBM security event platform, which is Qradar and then that is That creates or identify some event as an offense that needs to be paid attention to and that gets processed by the security orchestration platform in this case, we are using IBM resilient And then the orchestration security orchestration platform sends a recommendation to our network orchestration that hey, we see a security threat on this particular container of this particular 5g code So you need to do something about it. So then the orchestration implements a remediation action to fix that 5g core and remove the security threat now How it ties back to our hyperlegistry that we just saw in the last 10 so Since we are monitoring the life cycle of our network service in this case, which also includes the 5g core We're going to see that as these events are getting processed as the alarms are getting processed we can add Or update the status of these different Network components which are treated as assets on hyper ledger So in our case the 5g core is is treated as an asset that is tied into that customer order So as something happens to the life cycle of this asset, we are also writing or updating transactions onto a ledger to Record these life cycle events and these life cycle events can trigger notification to different Owners or participants in this ecosystem who may be affected by this life cycle event So with that now, let me go and actually show a live example of this So for this, I'm going to pick the same service that tray provision as part of our 5g slice Execution or deployment So now i'm going to go to the actual open shift cloud where the 5g core containers are running So the this is we saw that this was just deployed So these are the containers that are actually running different components of our 5g core So i'm going to pick the user plane function Which is responsible for uh Let me refresh. I think my session is out. Sorry for that Okay, so again now i'm i'm logging into the user plane function of my 5g core and i'm going to run let's say a port hacking command which Should not be allowed by the policy that we have configured in the security profile of our 5g core So as i'm executing this command It should be tracked by the container security platform And we will see a new event or a new Log messages being tracked by the container security platform So we see this container security platform is saying that there was a suspicious network activity Recorded on the 5g core security monitoring platform Right and as we are as this platform is recording it Can use your infrastructure as code to read Uh Read out the information From a secret manager and then pass that into your variables, right? That's a little bit more Then would you please unmute yourself? um I'm sorry Okay, yeah, so um, so yeah, so we can see those log messages are also being sent prisma twist lock Is basically the security platform name So we are seeing that the platform is sending log messages to our q-radar, which is basically our security event monitoring system And as these log messages are getting create are getting assessed if something is Flag it creates often. So here I can see that this is the new offense that just got created It says there was a container command on the 5g core that was blocked by our security platform So if I refresh then i'll see Uh in in a in a matter of maybe a minute or two because this is all live I'll see that it's also creating an incident onto a resilient platform then so Uh, I'll just wait for that to happen. It may take a minute or two. So basically what it'll be doing is It's trying to process this offense and based on the uh, learning that we have provided it's it's going to recommend an action that Get sent to our orchestration platform to make some change on our 5g core. So so if I go back to my offenses I Can see that there is a new flag that it says incident created to be processed. So if I quickly Open this incident link Okay, so again, I need to quickly log into the system Okay, so now I'll be able to see the details of the incident that was processed And what recommended action was sent to our orchestration platform So looks like it's already completed. So we can see here that it actually suggested our orchestration platform to migrate that container To a new location, which is more secure from the one that's affected So now if I go back to my orchestration platform I can see that it's already running that upgrade on our 5g slice service and in the upgrade is actually been executing the process of Migrating like taking down the 5g core from the current location and migrating it to another cloud So it's actually deleting it from one location and creating it on another cloud. So Basically, what we are trying to uh, uh explain here is that how this whole closed loop was able to detect a security threat onto our 5g core And then also apply a particular automation to uh identify the right resolution to the security threat and then send the trigger back to our orchestration to apply this automation to uh In this case migrate the container from the affected location to a new one So if I now go back to my dashboard to our demo dashboard We were we were showing how this is all being tracked on hyper ledger. Now if I open the details here I'm able to see A new update on the same customer order that we saw in the last demo. So here now I can see because we as we were processing these Life cycle event we all we were also recording transactions on our hyper ledger I can see a latest update on the nodes for this particular component of the order that there was a security threat detected And the core was migrated at a particular timestamp. And again, this is just a This is just for demo purpose that we are showing examples like this in production. It can also Trigger, let's say the the owner of this 5g core is a particular Vender who needs to do some additional check Or let's say in some scenarios. We also need to send a field agent So this can also order automatically based on the smart contract in the supply chain Can also order different orders for a field agent to go in and check or let's say We we need to trigger the vnf provider to provide a new license with new policies for this 5g core So this could trigger an order to the to the vnf provider to initiate that process So so all in all we we want to highlight that how we are using hyper ledger to enable this ecosystem which is very complex and and needs to be monitored all the time and There should be proper transactions being tracked between these different Participants in this environment so Going back to summarize what we saw we saw that how we simulated attack on the 5g core container How that attack was tracked by a container security platform It was sending events to a q-radar which was able to identify Offense based on the sent events or logs That offense was processed by the security orchestration to recommend a solution to a network orchestration and the network operator orchestration implemented a fix to a 5g core And as all this was happening we were tracking transactions onto hyper ledger And we can easily see the status updates on these individual components that are part of a bigger service onto the Different dashboard based on the input coming from the central ledger So with that I'll end the two demonstrations that we wanted to cover in today's session and I'll give it back to Jyoti, David and tea Thank you. Amen. That was a fantastic presentation went really smooth With that let me open it up for questions. There was one question in chat coming from owner It's asking is it an iot component So in this particular use cases that we demonstrated today There is I mean, we didn't had a Opportunity to show an iot component also because we are presenting remote But yes, they're in in this whole ecosystem. We also have iot components For example, there is I can actually just talk through it. Um, if not sure the entire demo and I'm going to share my screen again for that so There's another use case that we that we have worked on in which we also show the integration of our network layer with the edge application. So uh, as we deployed the it's it's basically A continuation of what you saw in the first demonstration So as we show deployment of the 5g network slice We are also showing that how we are using the same order management flow to also deploy some object detection models on to let's say smart cameras or uh, or servers running or I should say mobile edge running on the uh customer Edges or a network edge. So So it it's it's basically an extension of of a same use case that we are not just tracking In this case the life cycle of the network components getting deployed, but also Any it device iot devices connecting to the network layer or any smart devices being enabled in the whole process so so, uh, if you if I go back to my other dashboard To show an example of that So in this case our physical device we were showing that it's already, um Activated it was being represented as a cloud that is required to deploy these network services But this physical component can also be iot devices smart cameras, etc And we also manage the unique identities of these physical devices in this case You don't see a device hash, but what we have developed in this smart contract I'm sorry if I'm going a little more into detail to answer this question But basically in this particular use case we have also we added a capability to smart contract to Create different hashes like the hashing mechanism to create a unique key For each and every physical component and device that gets Created as an asset on hyper ledger and then manage the life cycle of that physical component or how to do this Uh, so long answer, but hopefully I covered your question That's great. Thank you. There are a few compliments in the chat saying this is a great presentation um The next question is um from kevin. He asks after the threat was detected How was it decision to migrate to a new container automatically made part of the contract or is this some sort of an ai implementation? So, um, I'll say both in our case. We are using basically, uh, uh, what's an aiops platform as well to provide additional insights to, uh What kind of network uh alarms were uh were taken care of in in uh In the history of this network service. What are the normal protocols followed? So so there could be an initial, uh Learning that we feed into the ai engine and then it also learns that it's working, right? So that's that's how the the assurance of the ai ai platform works in our scenario But then as we are recording we are controlling this using our central ledger So we can also apply policies Uh to control the recommended actions. For example, they could also be a policy that says that if a particular kind of alarm is uh Seen then it it should be handed over for a manual intervention than just ai taking over and Uh, implementing something so they could also and and especially in the in the areas where there are multiple parties involved For example, let's say there is a particular enterprise who who wants to run by a particular rules And those rules can be embedded in the smart contract. So for example for enterprise a That mental manual intervention will be in place for enterprise b. It will automatically be resolved So they could be smart contract policies that can be Added as an overlay layer to the decision-making process That's fascinating Um at this point, I would like to invite our guests to go ahead and mute yourself and ask questions if you have any um Okay, while others are thinking, uh, let me ask you a question so order process management is a fascinating use case for implementing blockchain and um I can't help myself asking is there a thought to also incorporate payments in this process On blockchain or using some of the other emerging technologies? Yes, so um, in fact, um Again, I'm going to share my screen. I came to answer that question So as they were sharing the supply chain process for this network service You must have seen Orders getting created to the vnf provider to other agents, right? So we also show the option of Um Having some integration with the billing system. So in this case, let's say a particular license was in this case 800 euros or dollars and something else, right? So so yes, we do we uh integrate with A billing system as well, which is a key part in this ecosystem And then there's another example that we were not able to show in today's demo that They could also be smart contract Policies that can be applied on these billing transactions. For example, let's say There was a new Order that required a field agent to go in and do an install So the smart contract says that there is an sla on this work That if the install is completed in two days The bill would be let's say a thousand dollars But if the sla is breached then it goes to the second level that if it's completed the next one week Then the billing will be reduced to basically let's say 800 dollars or something. So we actually show that as one of our demos or examples To some in some of our engagements where that billing aspect is more important to be demonstrated And those sla conditions and policies are incorporated into your smart contracts Yes So as we onboard a new participant or a new vendor There should be a smart contract in place that absorbs good policies so that it's more transparent and automatically automatic resolutions to any conflict in place or in case of These I say engagements with the vendors Good to know. Thank you Mon while you're sharing your screen Do you mind clicking on that link to the telecom specialist group that I dropped in the chat We can just say maybe a quick word and invite people into that group So if anybody It's in the chat Oh, okay. So yeah, I had my Oh, yeah, when you're presenting and yeah when you're sharing your screen at the chat it's hidden Just as a quick word if people are enjoying this conversation about Can the telecom use cases we do have an ongoing Special interest group specifically focused on this topic and it's an open forum anybody's welcome to join the mailing list The the regular meetings you can take a look at the wiki. So You know, it's a collection of other people in the community who are also interested in this topic And who want to collaborate on different things the group has done a number of things for example, it's written to Papers that looked at different use cases. It's looking at writing a third It's you know, it's talked about doing coding projects So if anybody's interested in working with others kind of on an ongoing basis beyond this one meet up You know to talk, you know to work with other people on blockchain and telecom Please do feel free to sign up There's an open mailing list you can subscribe to put a link in the chat and again regular meetings that you can dial into and adding to what david said be also Time to time as we work on these new industrial use cases we share Uh, our learnings uh in in form of pipe papers and blogs as well out of this group. So, uh, I think david You've done an awesome job in in leading this group and we have quite some Quite a number of good blogs and my paper that we caught out of this Right the the group has done a lot of interesting work So if you're interested, yeah If you go to the wiki if you're interested to see what the group has done so far There's there's a page that kind of points to the view as you can see there's a link to the blogs and stuff So do do it's open. It's an open resource. Do feel free to kind of poke around and see what the group has done Oh looks like maybe that's been a little out of date We can update it but the information is all there Oh That this seems to be a extension on the tm forum catalyst work that IBM did not that long ago, but it didn't I think that work did not include the smart contracts Is that something you've added recently or has that been there friends? Uh, essentially, you know the day one Um, can you specify with exact the important catalyst uh use case? I'm thinking about the composition one for uh for 5g If it's not appropriate or not not applicable That the So there I myself participated in in two tm forum catalysts for okay so The latest one we worked of was actually around infrastructure manager management Uh catalyst and we used the same hyper ledger platform in that as well and it They'd include smart contract. Okay. I missed it then wouldn't it? Yeah, to be honest, I cannot see uh, how a good use case can be implemented and just my view Without a nice smart contract in place. So so going back to this we actually, uh, Worked on a on a tm forum catalyst where we showed how different telecom operators Can come together in a work in an ecosystem On on the back end of which we have a legend technology like hyper ledger To intelligently manage the infrastructure sharing between these uh operators again the challenges that in the new 5g generation Cell sites which basically uh, if I in more easier terms, uh, uh actual hardware that we goes into uh telecom Uh powers and all Is getting expensive plus you need to create more cell sites for more coverage of 5g So So it's getting more expensive. So sometimes infrastructure is created by equipment manufacturers or oems or or we also call them neps network and equipment providers and then it's shared among different operators So it's it's a very nice industry use case where uh hyper ledger or blockchain can be used to uh Make it easier to do the transactions on in that sharing And spectra management is another similar use case Awesome, there's another question in um the chat I mean it's asking could you maybe Uh, give an example of of using this technology for Say pastry shop I think um We'll need a better uh More some more details on the use case, but uh, if we are brainstorming here, uh going a bit off off topic Since we were talking just about telco use cases But um, I'll play along. Okay. So pastry shop Uh, let's say I'm I own a pastry shop or whoever owns it needs vendors to provide raw material like big like I know I'm not very good with making pastries, but whatever you need making Power and So how do you how do you intelligently manage your SLA's with them like you need you you have you have you cater to 100 customers and 200 customers every week so you need Your material every every in every two days for examples, right? So you need to maintain that SLA with your vendors that if you don't give me New raw material every two days I'll run out of pastries to provide to my customers. So Uh, and you could be working with not one but hundred vendors. So Like I'm just giving example, right? So let's say for example, let's take example of starbucks for the for example, right? In fact, I I I think McDonald's will be better example because McDonald's is actually implementing blockchain For their stores. So the moment And this is actually uh, someone shared with me who was actually working on implementing blockchain for McDonald's that the moment you Go into their drive through they track That what you're ordering so they maintain their customer profiles, right? So maintaining customer profiles what they order to give an idea of What kind of demand you have in different stores to how much raw material you need to provide in different stores? Uh, all this is very complex. So you work with different Vendors who are analyzing the data for you. You work with different Vendors who are providing the raw materials for you. You work with different Participants who are involved in the customer profiling. So again, The ecosystem grows and it's getting complex. So how to manage contracts how to manage Policies and SLAs in this ecosystem. So it all comes to come down to supply chain Aspect, right? So how you're managing that is where you need a ledger And smart ledger is where we are going with high quality I'm sorry. I got a little carried over with that question, but uh, it was not my Forty to go off Now that was a good explanation Is the following question from Brian. It says if Assurance events are locked. Are there any transactions? Scalability issues Like in a large network millions of events could be happening, right? So especially during a large outage. So have you seen any scalability issues? What have you pushed through from a threshold standpoint? I'll again go back to my presentation for this So, uh So yes, there are concerns around the scalability of different Blockchain peers that we deploy so The bigger the ecosystem the more transactions you get to Sorry to record on your ledger so, um I don't have the numbers with me right now, but on the IBM platform. We do uh test at how many transactions per seconds or per Millisecond are being supported by a particular Blockchain node with a particular compute size, right? So based on that, uh, normally the planning is done again. Um, I I will not I'm not I don't think I should answer any production questions because I I don't Work on productions. We work on industry explorators and and developing these innovative use cases So I don't have the right numbers for a production example But basically the the point of uh, this architecture and highlighting how we have a blockchain peer node on the csv cloud Then a blockchain peer node on the network cloud and then optionally a peer node on the network edge as well to facilitate the easy scale up and scale down on the transaction To be recorded and at these different stages So for example, if we if we if we are adding more capabilities on the network cloud edge and we need to add more Compute power to to record more ability to record faster and more transactions Then we can add more blockchain periods to provide that additional computation power and attach it to our core hyper ledger platform to be able to record those transactions Hope that answer your question All right, um, we have the next question We have in chat is how many copies of the actual blockchain ledger are needed like to participate Does every user need to have a native copy or uh, because they're so big certainly Not on edge devices right and uh, this question comes There's a very uh, I'll say more of a functional and technical question on the type of ledger you are using I know different ledger technologies use different kind of Mechanisms some somewhere it's it's more central somewhere. Uh, you have a copy of Every transaction with every participant. So I'll say it very it depends whether you're using hyper ledger You're using sawtooth. You're using indy and all these different technologies underneath hyper ledger So it's a very uh, technical, uh Aspect of how that particular ledger is implemented and it depends on the technology you're using I think that this is also one of the key factors to choose if you're using indy you're using sawtooth You're using uh, let's say even if not hyper ledger using ethereum or which technology Yeah, that makes sense. Um, we are at the top of the hour But I still have two more questions. Um, and are you good to take or do you have a hard stop? I just want to be Yeah, I actually need to jump on another call, but I'm how I'm happy to take these questions offline and I'll I'll uh, both me and Craig and we'll try to uh, do our best to answer That would be wonderful. So what we'll do is we'll go ahead and email those questions out to Um, I'm an entry guys. Thank you so much everyone for joining today and for the engagement We truly truly appreciate the industry participation. Thanks everyone Thank you. Thanks. I'm an entry Thank you