 All right look unless you've been hiding under a rock you probably know that a high protein diet will benefit you regardless of your goal but what if you're one of those few people that just doesn't feel good eating a lot of protein some people get digestive distress some people get constipated some people just can't eat that much protein what do you do then well in those cases amino acid supplements can actually be beneficial essential amino acid supplements and branching amino acid supplements in particular can help with things like recovery performance muscle gain and fat loss if you just can't eat your protein targets so at the end it's all about the context can't eat enough protein amino acid supplements may help oh my well okay this is interesting you went this direction I just brought this up Jason our good buddy went to dinner at Maastros last couple weeks ago we could are we can have for two go and his wife was bringing up amino acids and there's some brand and I was trying to explain to me oh he did okay so that's so funny so they went to me first and they're like Adam shit all over it's okay so I'm gonna be I'm sure you said the exact same thing as I did and it sounds like it from your tip today which was like if you I mean obviously the goal number one is to get everything through Whole Foods because you're getting all those benefits and more so right but granted I we say on the show all the time hardly anybody gets their protein intake it's really difficult to do that but then I said then the next step after that is just using a protein powder because a protein powder it would still be the next best thing to do and then and only then if like you have issues with digesting you know a protein or you just don't what don't like taking the protein powder and so taking a handful of you know branching amino acid pills at the end of the night because you were so low on protein could have some benefits to it in comparison to not right yeah I was having a conversation so that and then I had a conversation with a family member who's training for a jujitsu tournament and he's having issues recovering and I'm like you got to get more protein he's like I tried so hard I can't hit those targets my appetite won't let me he's like and I could try taking shakes but I don't even feel like taking a shake sometimes he goes what about just a like a couple of branching amino acid tablets I said well in your case you'll see some benefit and it reminded me I've had a few clients like this where they didn't want that they don't want to take a shake although just for the audience one scoop of protein powder will give you more than enough branching when acids and essential amino acids okay so rather than taking a scoop of something that's called essential amino acid supplement or whatever a scoop of protein powder will do that and then some so that's even better but like I like I said I've had clients where they can't eat it with food they don't want to take a shake they want tablets or something easy and then they can help and if you look at the studies because this always cycles right or the supplement market tends to do these cycles every 10 years or so and you'll see people selling branching amino acid supplements again is that they'll bring up studies yeah is that their main focus is that to market to people is that it's for recovery yes it's the best benefit of like taking the amino acid well if you look at this if you look at the studies on branched chain amino acids that's leucine isoleucine valine or the essential amino acids these are the ones that your body you have to consume them right they're essential you have to consume you can't make them when you look at the studies on them those studies that show that they're beneficial all the participants are not eating the the high protein diets that are recommended by like the strength community right which is about roughly or close to a gram of protein per pound of target body weight like if you miss that and you're eating what the rda says and you don't want to eat more protein then yeah you supplement with bcaas you'll notice a benefit just goes to prove like uh they know that a lot of people are are low and deficient on some levels of protein yeah well this is also why two why i mean because obviously something that gets that much traction and there's that big of a market now people will notice benefits exactly and that's what how i explained to her at dinner i'm like listen if if i need you to be eating for optimal right i need you at 130 grams of protein and you're hitting 40 grams every day yeah and i give you some amino acid pills like uh yeah you're gonna you're gonna build some muscle you're gonna recover better you're gonna feel a difference it's gonna make an impact but it's not the pills it's that you were you're so under on the protein that of course you would have seen that felt the same thing too if all said you added a six ounce chicken breast on top of what you're eating every single day also you would have felt the exact same benefits as what you got from that so it's not like there was something magical about the the powder of the pills yeah so i was go ahead no i just wanted to ask you more about the because i actually didn't see it she was just telling me the name of it was like super amino something and she was saying like the the guy who the the doctor guy who sells it or whatever was talking about how it's at the special amino acid i was like that's how they market to you is they and this is by the way that that's no different than the creatine market i mean the every market they because everybody knows uh amino acids are you know or not ever i shouldn't say that but most people in the fitness space know that amino acids protein powders important creatines and all these things are and it's gotten so oversaturated that the margins driven the margins down made a very competitive and better for the consumer find creative way so now you have to yeah so now you define a novelty angle now you have to find this pre-workout same thing too right because caffeine is the main driver that makes pre-workouts really really good but caffeine is cheap so we have to find other things to put in it and then they sell the other things as being so magical and so amazing when it's like no the the main ingredient is the most valuable thing problem is everybody now sells that has that so you get to find creative ways isn't that funny because it's like then you know their direction is going to be like some exotic place in the world or some yeah you know religious communities always done this and they've lived for like 120 years you know like something like there has to be like a tragic story of like i you know it was in a car accident my whole body burned to smithereens and then i took these amino acids all of a sudden it grew on my skin back where i traveled to some weird part of the kind of the world you know so important like icai berries was like this yeah icai berries were popular or became popular here in the states because it was like this amazonian monofi superfood right full of antioxidants it's it's a blueberry's got more antioxidants than i see icai berry or very close just it's hard to say so it's just most people are not familiar with it and it tastes good and so it's like oh my god this this is new thing no look proteins are chains of amino acids that's all it is so amino acids are the building blocks of proteins so if you take a scoop of protein powder or you eat 10 grams of protein a complete protein meaning it has all essential amino acids you are going to have way more branched amino acids or essential amino acids or beneficial amino acids than three tablets essentially three tablets of essential amino acids in fact the cheap amino acid supplements were just compressed protein powder into tablet form that's the best yeah and they would they would be called like amino 5000 i remember i used to take these back in the day i used to take i remember i bought a long time ago because you know i was a kid i felt for paying more for less bro i bought i don't remember what it was like amino 5000 or something like that and there were these massive big old pills huge yeah like i can't even i'm not even exaggerating when i say like choking hazard style tablets they were like think of the biggest tablet you could think of like a multivitamin tablet now make it like twice as wide that's what they look like and the recommendations on the bottle and it wasn't even a bottle like eight of them yeah it was like a it was like a i did the same i did the same thing yeah bro i look like a mini jug it was like this yeah and you had to take eight in between every meal that's what they recommend and i did it took eight and i had to take each individual one it was so easier to dry scoop way protein i'll never a i'll never forget i figured this out you know thermogenic that way i'm gonna pat myself on the back for freeing this out as a kid i was 16 years old i'm doing this every day and i'm like oh my god this is terrible you know isn't working i don't know and i remember i turned the bottle i looked at the ingredients way protein it was way protein that they compressed and put added a binder to make into freaking tablets that's so great that's what i was taking way protein amazing i was so mad but anyway my the person i was talking about with uh you know that was just mentioning who's who's getting ready for tournament i talked him into trying um the paleo valley bone broth protein because he doesn't like other protein powders and make him feel bloated gassy doesn't like it so i said try the bone broth protein it's the easiest like i have yet to find anybody who hasn't tried it who hasn't said it's the easiest to digest i know i know i'm late to the party on that but i've been like ever since you got me to do that that's actually what i've been taking that in more than anything else now it's so easy yeah i mean it's and i could take 70 grams that's why that's why i find it's really nice is that um you know rarely ever am i missing exactly uh just 32 grams of protein it's like i'm missing more or whatever and so being able to scoop more and in the in the past if i were to do that with like a way just 70 grams of way protein just doesn't sit doesn't sit right with me where i can take that and it's no problem so but i do have to say the the the chocolate donut flavor is the best one it were yeah i tried the other player was like meh it wasn't i wasn't like as as impressive it's just chocolate though right it just tastes like dough yeah yeah i think you know it's funny they're gonna probably start branding it chocolate donuts start branding it chocolate dough you know what it is is that it's a so bone broth or collagen protein is um flavorless essentially if you ever have pure collagen you add it to water it doesn't taste like no they have it i've tried it yeah yeah they have tastes like almost nothing yeah so it's easy to flavor so you can very easily make it taste really good whereas like plant proteins are really hard to make taste good really really hard yeah i'm egg protein did you guys ever take eight protein powders i did oh i did for the longest time i did the pump oh you just that's just whites nice methane i did that for a long time the sulphuric smell everything it comes out i actually really like the the egg white pump thing for did you make your shakes with that yes because you do that and then add protein powder yeah frost it up you know you didn't know that like oh i know oh yeah the egg white makes it all frothy and so it makes it actually made the shakes better so i used to make the shake and then i do a kind of remember with the pump like how many ratios or how many pumps i remember that it was like a jug with a big giant one in a bill really smart what they did is they put this brilliant it was just a bunch of i'm gonna give someone a supplement idea right now it what it was was it was egg whites pasteurized so and you could just add it to whatever you want and bodybuilders and everybody wants egg whites right because it's just pure protein there's a market for egg yolks if someone just had an egg yolk pump or something you've always said that i know you vote it's way more muscle so why wouldn't you just do the whole egg though i mean that's what i mean if that case then we're trying to do novelty bro this is the supplement market i mean you're right yeah average person like i have eggs in the fridge it's more like counter knowledge so then there's this weird like appeal to that right that's it you've been missing the most muscle building oh my god i haven't been eating this whole time today's giveaway is maps anabolic advance here's how you can enter to win leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications if you win we'll let you know in the comment section also we got a sale going on this month maps performance is half off and then we also have a fitness bundle called the extreme fitness bundle that has maps hit maps performance maps prime and the intuitive nutrition guide that's also 50 off you can find all of those with the discount code and everything by clicking on the link at the top of the description below all right back to the show hey this weekend was your birthday weekend would you uh would you go do i saw you drove the car i said you drove the car i got to yeah so i i got this car like it was back in november i think but i haven't even been able to like physically see it i immediately shipped it to my friend who was it the first time you saw it actually in person yeah oh i didn't know that i thought you've actually had already been down there oh that's great yeah so i shipped it is my friend like he's to work uh and he was on that show overhauling with chip foos oh and so i high school buddy of mine like uh we played football together and stuff and so um actually we were in in auto shop together and it's interesting because like a lot of the guys that were in that class ended up doing a lot of they're they're big in like the car world and everything and i don't know anything now yeah and so i'm just like oh please help me dude let's let's let's build a sick car so uh yeah so i finally got to like go down there and had to register it with the dmv and all that and still did you take it home or is it still working on it still working on it yeah so he actually just made it drivable just enough so i could like go to the dmv and i kind of was like pressing on it a bit because i wanted to you know get a good feel for it and like suit the car it was actually good because that way i i see the i'm gonna see the difference of like how it drove you know and it's sort of are we gonna tell the audience what kind of car this is it's 1969 gto so yeah that's one of my favorites the judge one of my favorites so what do you what are you doing to it uh so like ls swap yeah ls swap get you know increase my horsepower like 520 something horsepower and then i'm gonna get to new exhaust and suspension and um also new like sound system and um you know lots of other like accessory kind of stuff but like it nothing major like rims tires all that kind of stuff are you gonna make it look classic like original or you're going to do like the cross kind of where it looks sort of like resto mod kind of style so you get like uh it looks classic enough but it's it's definitely like modified yeah yeah so i've like upgraded looking rims i've upgraded like uh little um additions to the paint job and you know all that kind of stuff so it's not going to be like stock yeah yeah is that so is that what yours will be considered my rest of mod yeah they're both yeah that's what i okay yeah you have like it's it doesn't look too it's that yeah yeah the classic look as far as the body and the interior and stuff but then you've got a lot of things that you've switched out like the rims that like once you put an ls engine in it's now it's not a yeah yeah right so you're now i like i prefer that i know for collectors uh and if i if i was buying the car for like a long-term investment you always want the original you know holds more value if you do the yeah right but i i mean i'm driving it you know saying so and i like i want what i want and i wanted to be one that doesn't have a you you gotta i'm thinking what we're like a barracuda or like a hemi i love some sort some challengers and chargers yeah the plum purple yeah oh yeah i wish we could get you to do it i would love to i love for us to because that's just be a waste on me like you know i'm not a big car i mean i would like it for a bit and then you know yeah i see i don't know about that if you think i mean i don't know it really depends on like if you could even see yourself on like a saturday or sunday where we'd meet up and we would go maybe yeah cruise like and so if you see yourself you could get away for a few hours on saturday or sunday um you know nice days i could totally see us all waking up and driving yeah i mean i was really motivated because my dad and i used to uh we connected a lot with cars and drag racing and like you know a lot of like hot rod like shows and so that kind of like i had my truck and then i had to sell it once once i um you know was making down payment for my new house and so ever since then there's just been this void there and like you know the kids are at an age now where they're interested in cars and they're interested in like cool stuff like that and i'm like well now's the time if i'm ever going to do it to kind of you know bring that back so we we plan uh hot i guess nights is in uh rino and so we're going to do that uh this year with my dad and yours will be done by then yeah okay that's cool yeah yeah hopefully like into march like i'm pressing pressing ben to to uh get it done it's the difference like you know a muscle car the difference of 500 horsepower on that versus like a modern 500 horsepower car feels way different oh it it feels unbridled and scary yeah yeah yeah i like that yeah yeah yeah it's dangerous oh no 300 horsepower i'll tell you what though you get a lot of attention from dudes thanks bro yeah there we go hey it's like getting buffed in the gym yeah it's like getting buffed in the gym all the things that we do thinking to get more women attention more dudes all guys all guys our age they're just like yeah dude like knuckling up yeah you're cool i had a guy stop me at the parking lot the other day you're fit bro like okay yeah that was kind of cool though anyway speaking of muscles and stuff did you guys i i said you guys that picture of my my one was 14 month old standing up on her toes she was a little oh god my wife's genetics are strong bellies she's got this huge little calves dude i'm a little baby no they definitely have mama's genetics for sure bro i'm so excited you guys have no idea uh i get so many the ends of like uh people with like sending me pictures of kids that have like ridiculous calves and i just don't send them to you guys they're like don't you sell down this i got two kids now with them right i was like i was like why like why are you roasting them oh my god you ever see i mean sometimes you see kids and you know you look at them oh no they're going to be no of course i mean you could tell on you can tell on your kids already i mean i couldn't tell even on my son that he'll have better than i did just because he could tell by his symmetry and he's a little bit thicker than i already was he's by no means he's not thick like your kids are but he's like thicker than i was so he's not going to be the skinny lanky kid like i was tell you that uh my three year old jessica was reading uh to him a kids version of the bible and they were talking about like uh genesis right cool and he refers to adam and eve is adam and katrina that's so epic she goes who are the first people first people in the bible adam and katrina yes that's so good that's so good katrina making you eat that apple what else did you uh what else did you do down there so i uh it's funny because um this is like what's exciting to me is like an adult and um you know an old man that's like dude i always want to like relive my past you know so you know like orchestrated it all so i like picked this house that um was like way out in the boonies uh down there in like a row of grande and um i don't know they might be a fan so i don't know if like i'm just gonna say it yeah we literally just like jammed like so loud like we brought all our equipment in there and like closed off the doors thankfully we weren't around a lot of other like properties because i was like any sound complaint we're done yeah it's not gonna work out but nothing and so we're like okay so we just kept going in like recorded some stuff and like we just geeked out and played like really loud so this is the same group that you did that with truckie last year then yeah so and now is this becoming an annual trip for you guys i mean it's kind of like if we can make it work like at any chance i just kind of throw it out there and see who can who can make it so it was like just me and my friend who's a drummer and then um uh my other friend who i played um at chicago in in uh college football we played together too and ironically like he's sort of a pastor of this church and like my friend ed is is also working at that church with him and i knew them both from different timelines while i was out in chicago so interesting it's just a weird it's like both of my best friends in college like ended up they're now friends and working together after the fact after the fact oh that's wild yeah and and it's funny because he's like really into like it's funny because he's really into like you know happy like chilled music and stuff and like so he always makes fun of us for being like really like crazy angry music do any of them play in the in their church because there's a lot there's some incredible oh they do well yeah ed used to play a lot but actually he's uh he's kind of stepped away from that but his son is kind of you know he plays drums and uh but he used to do some some music like that like but they have like worship pastors and stuff well there's some because i the place like the one of the churches i go over here they have they have a band that opens up and plays music and some of the singers are like wow i know they're good yeah i wonder how many like talented people there are that just stick to that there's there's tons i mean there's some remember we were in nashville and we were just going up the street that's true it's like oh my god like how are these people not on these like major labels and did i tell you guys the conversation that katrina had with john deloni about coming out to nashville oh it was pretty fun i was just this was actually just like a couple weeks ago uh guys she was on the phone with uh with john and talking about coming out there she's like oh yeah i you know the guys want to plan a trip out there and john's like yes i want you guys to come out for a week bring your families will be great and christian yeah i was looking on the counter and i see morgan wallin's gonna be there at this week like that and he's like she's like she's like what you don't like morgan wall is like there's a morgan wallin on every corner in nashville yeah she's like so she's like you go he tells her like you walk down the strip and there's a morgan wallin in every single bar that's playing music there's talent everywhere just that and i i mean there's two things that i take from that is one the yes i know that because we've been down in nashville that there's that kind of crazy talent but also too like how many uh artists are manufactured like especially with exactly the way the way we the way we've learned to hack music and yeah like uh what's your uh what rick rubin said about how we think it's we've lost that you know purity we're an artist is putting out the stuff that they put in their diary and they put it out because they love it we're now we've we're trying to hack everything we're trying to hack an algorithm we we unpack what is working and then we just modify whatever we're doing to fit that mold plug in the formula yeah and so you know and again i'm a morgan wallin fan so i like enjoy his music right now but i don't know enough to know like how much like he's been manufactured or not like you see like just a an example of somebody else that's been just like planted speaking to that like that that was that's part of my favorite thing about hanging with like some other guys that are like really still into music and stuff it's like you you get like so we play this thing it's basically like what used to do when um Napster was out right and you go download like a song and you and people would take turns and kind of like you check this song like you try and kind of introduce people to new artists and stuff that's out there and uh so we do we kind of like just spent some time doing that on youtube just for videos and like hey i've like i dig this and this artist and so i got like a lot of new um artists and things that were just interesting and it's like i would never listen to that normally but i see like the appeal of this and it's it's there was this one i forgot i forget the name of it but there's this guy who really good guitarist but the entire video he's like he's looking at the the camera and when he plays like he like makes notes his his mouth kind of mumbles it and so it's like he's talking this whole song and it's like he he made it it's so creative like he made it so it was like he was he was trying to ask this girl out his heart gets broken like all this stuff and it goes through and it's literally just the guitar playing but it but it plays it to like and he's just like kind of miming it the whole time it's really weird but i just like wow like i never would have watched that so many creative people yeah so much creativity you had a crazy weekend adam you were hanging out with some yeah i'm very crazy crazy in a different way right like not like crazy wild or like over the top like fun doing stuff just i you know had an opportunity to meet um my hampton group i got to meet them in person you know and you know this is a group of like successful individuals who are trying to like yeah so elevate each other right obviously if you've listened to the show long if you've listened to our show long enough you've heard me and on social media you've heard me hammer like mastermind groups and like so it's kind of ironic that i'm in this you know you know quote unquote mastermind group because i am so anti all that shit so much and i and i was actually thinking about after this weekend because of how much i enjoyed this like you know do i need to rethink the way i talk about these mastermind groups because i've found so much tremendous value in this and i think the biggest thing that that i see that's different from this group that i got to be a part of versus what i see on the internet and all over social media is that they made a uh like you have to make a certain amount of money to get into this group and what i see online a lot is you know these people that are praying on anybody that's willing to pay for access and so in my opinion like a true mastermind is a group of individuals that are that are like it says masterminds that and they get together and they collaborate and they're all brilliant and successful and they leverage each other's knowledge and experience and strengths and weaknesses but what we what the the internet's done is bastardize those groups it's now turned into like i'm the one that has this information all i do is i regurgitate stuff that's like on self-help books i'll allow anybody who's willing to pay me into this group and so now it's a group of not necessarily mastermind it's just a group of people that are willing to pay to access to this room and so you're sitting around a room and maybe you get lucky so maybe you're listening to this right now and you've been a part of a mastermind group you're like oh i had a great experience then i paid for this and it's like well maybe you got lucky and there was a couple other people that were really intelligent or brilliant or successful in there but not most of them but this group is like that because everybody is that like this crazy you know different industries oh yeah i mean you had um you had you had apparel people in there you had photography in there you have venture capitalist guys you have a peptide market you have um you have corporate corporate events you have i mean you had all these like really different and we're i mean if you see that there's a picture of us i mean uh just look like a bunch of dorks including you know what i'm saying we just look like a bunch of dorks you know just all of us and just i mean no but what i loved about this group is that you know there's some things that you find in common when you when i guess you get to that level uh one uh is as extremely successful and type A and confident they are they also have this incredible balance of humility and and empathy and and and they're just they're so humble and you would never know like that you know looking at a group there's like 300 million dollars a year in revenue like sitting right there and you just you would you would walk right past them and not think anything of it and the conversation was just so incredibly stimulating the entire way i was exhausted every day we stayed up till midnight or one of the morning was back up by 7 7 30 and it was just seven people of this crazy i talked to you the last day of it and you were so stimulated yeah like you were just going off and you know i love that feeling you know when you're around really really stimulating people yeah i can't tell i can't remember the like i know like when i talked to other people about my my relationship when i talk to you guys well no i was gonna as what i was gonna say is when i talked to people about our relationship right all of us and like why why it's worked and the growth over years i said you know i attribute a lot of that to that right you guys were all um and then there's definitely some attributes that we all share with this group is that and and one of the most common ones i'd say is that uh that there's this common theme of like ultra confidence with humility and the just the pursuit of growth and learning yeah like that is like the core and they could everybody could have different political religious background all these other things that growth minded yeah just yeah unbelievably growth minded open minded and just so fun to have conversation probably one of the coolest exercises that that we we did like i mean that was an intentional exercise but on the last day there was so much good conversation going that one of the things we had talked about before we got together is like hey for shits and giggles we should build a business together we should just use all of our our strengths and like let's let's see how fast we can throw together a business that requires as little of our time and effort and to be in the living room and watch that exercise unfold with the different strategic minds because you guys you told me about this like you guys got detailed yeah it wasn't like i got an idea oh cool i'll do that and i'll do that it was like oh yeah this how do we fix this problem what about that problem yeah oh yeah i mean you have you it's like you have like the guy who does like corporate events and so he's like unblank you have he's like unbelievably organized then you have oh we have a chef right so we had this master chef michelin star type chef who built this app who's super organized and so you had the two of them that are like okay well give me the line items we need this this this this okay what else what else prodding the rest of us of like what else do we need to get this like right now done tomorrow and like okay i've got it revisit it okay who then tasking it out to each person then it's like what else you need support that okay and then you have the guy who's who's a vc you know his markets it's like okay well what's the opportunity in that market okay oh it's four billion dollars okay what are who the top 10 leading companies oh they're uh they make up this much of the pie okay this is like just being able to distill it down to where the how much opportunity is there how much potential could we even possibly make how fast can we get it up and going how cheap can we get it up and going then how can we delegate it out to make sure it was just in in an hour's time so and then also processing all the other ideas right so you've got everybody spitballing these ideas and within you know minutes you you could decide whether that was a valid idea for what we're trying to accomplish or not and then move on to the next one and then be like okay that's the one and i mean that this morning i got an email of all the the task of who's doing what and like it was just like that like that so great yeah so you know what you just made me think of you said something that reminded me of something else you said a long time ago about when you were growing up you just said that these people all have this combination of things like everybody's very successful very wealthy right you said like you know millions and millions of dollars lots of success but also lots of humility and growth minded and remember you're saying this when you were a kid that when you were a kid that you were raised to think that wealthy people were evil or bad or whatever yes and then when you started to have friends whose parents did very well you learned like that's that's not the case at all yeah and it flipped everything for you and one just made me think of one of the because jessica has had this experience as well she's grew up she grew up kind of similar to you yes and one of the biggest lies that's been sold to people in most market economies free societies which most western countries fall under that unless you inherit a ton of money okay the vast majority of millionaires are self-made 80 over 85 percent that's real data when you meet people that are very successful they're not what the media depicts they're typically not evil scheming you know get you know step on the little guy they're typically really growth minded people that work really hard and i you know and it's so it's like this huge lie that we tell people and i think it's to keep people from trying to grow or pursue it's really weird i also think there's something else that perpetuates that began at least this has been my experience is there's levels to this and the level before this level is the people that have have made good success you make good money you're deep into the six figures you're you're taking care of you and your family but you're not like uber rich like most of these guys uber like rich like so and at that level a lot of people still including myself because i remember being at this level right into the six figures making really good money for myself but still driven by a lot of my insecurities around money and what comes with a lot of those insecurities there's like these dickish personalities this buying things for other people not for yourself trying to front trying to act like you're at the next level when you're really not and so i could see how someone like jessica or me could have been raised that way and then have like a confirmation bias because we've been told by our parents oh yeah the the rich are assholes they don't care about anybody they're this or that and then you meet these people who are you perceived to be rich because they drive their Mercedes they've got the nice clothes on they talk about everything they do and it's like and there's a lot of that in the middle there's a lot of that when they're when you're coming up of this pretending that you you've really made it when you really have it and then there's a difference of oh i've fucking passed making it a long time ago and i got i don't have to talk about it i just i just remember this as a trainer at one point my my clientele got very high end right because you build a reputation as a trainer you get higher end clients awesome and i would meet these people and they were all very hard working many of them very very educated some of them self made as entrepreneurs and it wasn't they weren't just good at what they did they were also like classically trained pianists on the side or they have hobbies like mountain climbing and like you know like they're just growth minded they're they're reading books constantly and it's like you see more of that yeah at the higher levels and you do at the lower level it's license and that's gonna sound shitty people are gonna hear this and be like oh no no no it's true like there's less to when you're growth minded and you pursue this thing you're more likely to be successful but we're constantly sold and remember i came from poor immigrants so you know part of me is that suspicious growing up too of that but then you get to certain levels and you meet these people like well you know what a lot of them are just growth minded this is why they continue to succeed and they a lot of them didn't start off that way they built themselves up it's a shitty lie that we sell to kids that we tell them that you know that making money is evil that's not evil worshiping money's evil that's totally different it was we found out that everybody in the group which this was kind of really rare that everybody has a trauma story like we all have like crazy fucked up backgrounds yeah so everybody had come from that you know the other thing that's interesting about like like watching these guys and it doesn't break you right yeah and and watching jasmine was the only girl than the rest of us were guys but watching the way that they process information or they take like when someone like i think i shared this with you when we're on the phone when i was all excited about like just how brilliant this group was i said uh you know jt he's in the medical space which is like you know nurses and medical devices and he's into he's like in into that right and he found out like midway through like the our story at mind pump and he was just so fascinated with the the media company and what we've been able to do off of it and everything like that he's like oh my god he's like can i call you and so one day he calls me and i probably spend an hour maybe an hour and a half we talk on the phone i just i'm just telling him everything i've learned up to this point like all the things i did wrong the things that we've done right and like you like the the things that we've pieced together to have grown the social presence youtube instagram things like that podcast and uh he just you know he's before he hangs on the phone he's like man i appreciate this has been so i you know i owe you so much for this i'm like oh you know don't worry about the hour call yeah hour hour and a half call hangs up okay that was uh not even six months ago okay that dude's instagram is about to pass mine and gave the formula bro just well just they know how to they'll take the information yeah what i was telling sal that was so that's like it's it's it's awesome to see and also frustrating because like it's not like i haven't shared any that information with my own youtube team right like i've talked to them about all the same things like of like figuring out using what we have is a litmus test going back and you know going back to tweaking a little bit more than doing it again and then he just took all of it and like systemized it he he hired somebody who was a friend of his who's already got a video editing thing they meet once a month for three or four hours they batch like 60 pieces of content that it drips all month long they go back they evaluate everything every comment every like every share everything like that they look they compare all the things that they just they just did from the previous one they go okay that doesn't work that doesn't work okay that worked the best that worked the next best okay now how can we tweak this tweak that okay boom another 60 and they just kept doing that for six months and then before you knew it he started to hit and then now now everything's just hitting and he's a he's a very you were telling me about this guy he's like 27 years old dude yeah he's rare yeah super talent super talent yeah like he could see things or just yeah yeah no it's like turbo charged him yeah yeah it was you know it was great it was it's so cool to see though to see that uh you know when you do that i mean and i don't know if you guys are watching i'll share when we get off air because these this was just happened this weekend and now all of them are posting now i knew they i i knew i kind of got to them a little bit i didn't know how much um when i worked them out because they all wanted like this workout it's like you know i saw that i saw you kind of taking them through a little bit of mobility i literally taught three moves okay yeah i taught three moves i actually taught a i taught combat stretch yeah a windmill yeah and i got everybody to squat and they all wanted like they were like they had this was planned on the schedule but they think you're gonna take them through the circus yeah they thought or arnold get a get a hard pump and like you know what are we gonna work out today and they're all like jazz to get in there and and i'm like what the fuck am i gonna do and then let me look mind you this group is so different i got tall i got short i got like athletic i got not athlete i mean i'm like this is like the epitome of a group class right you don't say like what the fuck am i gonna do with them so i had to tell them i say hey here's the deal like i know you guys were excited about a workout today and i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna work you out somehow but i would never do this i would never take people like you all in a group and then just take us through some random ass workout not knowing everybody's this and that i said and so i was really torn i didn't have a plan i'm like what the fuck am i gonna do right now i said you know let's start with a windmill right and so i like let's just warm them up and i'll do some stuff and then and then i just turned into this like hour lesson of these three these these three movements and afterwards and you know i could tell that you you could hear you could just see them all processing the information i'm giving and they were all like super grateful afterwards i wasn't sure you know because we're still all getting to know each other like how they took it now i see because they're all posting about it and they're just like it was like a light bulb moment for all of them like this there's some things that one of the things i know that you know when we talk about you know going in and exercise instead of thinking of it like exercise is thinking of it as practice and a move and i was and they're always like so should i do 10 reps of this or should i do so i said does it matter if you did one rep that's extremely that that is quality it'll be better than three sets of 10 so don't get hung up on that perfect this movement that i'm trying to teach you and figure that out first that's your foundation so instead of just piling on more exercises more sets more and so they expected let me guess they expected to beat the have the crap beat out of them but instead afterwards they were energized and they felt good yeah yeah yeah and like what an opportunity for trainers and coaches listening right now this is what people expect when you show them something like adam did because you didn't i don't know if you want to share this but they all told adam afterwards no i do i pay thousands of dollars for that i do want to share this to the coaches because here's the thing too like this and this is the the power of paying for or getting access to a group like this and then being able to offer your services for free now obviously i had no desired outcome to train clients i don't want to train no more clients but had i been still trying to build my training business and i got a hold of these these people offering them a free hour like this would have been so incredibly valued because what happened and by the way they all came in thinking they're gonna work out right i didn't give you exactly i blew their mind with three movements that didn't even get them to sweat and you said this but shattered their paradigm of how they had been and they all kind of work out already but you could tell like all of them like oh my god everything i've been doing is wrong without me saying that right just me giving value and teaching and showing and then afterwards we went for a walk and all of them are trying to convince me how on the side of this business i could be charging a thousand to five thousand dollars an hour for these these services to teach what i had just taught and whatever else they're like whatever else you have behind that and i'm like i don't it's not about it's not the money thing for me i don't i said i don't want to i don't want to train people anymore as much as i love you guys and everything but what it highlights is your point sal is like man if you're a trainer and you're a coach right now like do not one be afraid to offer your services for free like that and then also do not allow other people to dictate what you know is best like i you know like i and i was close not gonna lie i was like oh should i just throw him like four or five exercises we'll just get everybody sweat i'm like god damn no way i'm not gonna do that to these people right and i and they have to know that like i would never do that so i was like you know what let's just and then once we started moving it opened the door for me to like explain why this guy couldn't do a full lizard with rotation and why she could get down this way why her right foot was externally rotating on this person why this person's heel was raising up over here building value oh yeah just teaching all of them on every little thing and explaining why it's so important that we address all these things and that's literally when you're a coach and a trainer and you're helping someone for free that's how you're planting that seed for why they're going to train with you for the next three to six months you could be teaching them these things while you're teaching them you're breaking down all these things that you see and the way they feel after you know i used to love getting clients that after the workout they'd look at me and be like you know what i feel really good and they were surprised yeah by the way they said it i could tell that they were like how did you expect to feel well i expected to crawl out of the gym like you're not supposed to feel like that at the end of a workout you're supposed to feel really good oh i'll be coming back you know you blow their mind yeah that's crazy how is everybody's uh journey with with the red light juve everybody's been using it pretty regularly yeah well now we have i have an extra one in my house now so i'm back to it you're still doing the juve sex not since i talked about it actually but i do have it up in my bathroom right now which is nice so what i need to do is i gotta find out if uh because i asked you guys last time if how much the glass dilutes but you gotta ask the guys yeah so i gotta find that out because that's how i've been using it i'm so i'm at like three days a week what are you guys doing same or i'm daily you're every day yeah because of that three four days yeah i'd what's cool about it is just like how the kids have been noticing and keep asking me questions about it's funny to to try and answer you know like the benefits of it with you know without it sounding like you know magic that's so crazy yeah they're like well how does light uh help affect you know you in a healthy way and like try to explain what does the cells and you know in the mitochondria and like trying to you know describe to them the benefits it's challenging but it's also like it's cool because they're they're getting you know exposure to the to the fact that this is like something that's valid that i mean i didn't even know remember we had dr con on the show and he kept talking about um foundational principles of health so like you know you'll have certain dysfunctions he goes but if you can improve the foundational principles then everything gets better for example if you're just an easy one right if you're not moving if you're just on a couch all day long and you have uh you know high blood pressure higher risk of cancer inflammation you get headaches you're not sleeping well one foundational principle is let's just exercise properly and move and that'll improve everything so that's what that basically means right so with red light therapy because that particular wavelength of light positively affects the mitochondria in any cell that it shines on so no matter what cell that it shines on any hair it gets it gets the mitochondria to operate more effectively and efficiently okay it gets it to to operate better so if it's a skin cell you get faster regeneration if it's a testosterone producing cell you produce more testosterone if it's a hair follicle cell you'll grow more hair right so that's basically how it works by the way speaking of testosterone i got a study i got to tell you guys about this is pretty cool i love studies on hormones and behaviors i think it's so much more interesting than hormones and things like fat loss or or muscle building or whatever yeah so trip off this right so i'll i'll read the i'll read the highlights so the study is titled testosterone promotes persistence against a stronger opponent okay so they investigate the effects of exogenous testosterone on competition persistence before the competition they manipulated individuals perceived control testosterone doubled competition persistence in those with low perceived control in other words testosterone enhanced sensitivity to the opponent's growing advantage so in other words testosterone made people more resistant to losing made them want to compete harder made them want to push harder and more of that yes yes men with low perceived control quitted twice as early as those with high perceived control but then they gave them the testosterone and it countered the effect so just one more thing just than to add to the conspiracy theory of why they're trying to lower everyone's it's out there man you know uh speaking of study i was i didn't even plan on bringing this out but you just reminded me of this uh you know the study that we talk about um the the marshmallow one the delayed gratification one have if you heard someone tell you that that's been debunked i did i've heard someone say that but i don't know too many details okay so i someone in my group said that this weekend because i brought up the delayed gratification thing because the study originally was like this can predict like yeah they said it was one of the greatest predictors of the kids future success was if they had the ability to delay gratification and they test them with the marshmallows have one now or two later type of deal and the kids that said two later or how long did they follow them well so listen so here's here's the debunking that i heard from it and what was interesting was that i was like well i could totally relate to that so uh what it said was it was more there was more correlation to the how those kids were raised where they were raised with privilege or not because the kids that grew up that were underprivileged they wanted the the marshmallow because it was scarce because it was scarce and so they were so quick to grab were kids that had abundance and had a lot of money and was that they had more patience they could wait and i was like oh shit that's kind of crazy because they need to control for that that's my that's my sugar addiction comes from that i've told you guys before on the podcast like i took me a long time to realize why do i have this wealth there weird behavior of when something sweet is in the house i've got to fucking eat the whole box i don't do that with anything else simply right but i mean for 17 years of my life i trained myself to you better get it because you ain't getting seconds you know and so you take a kid like that versus a kid who was either an only child or has abundance and doesn't work like that like i saw a study with makes a lot of sense i saw a study on with kids where they told they put uh treats in front of the kids and they said okay i'll be back in 30 minutes don't eat me or whatever and they leave and they see which kids will sneak one or whatever and then they did it where they said in that chair is an empty chair in the corner in that empty chair over there there's a ferry that's watching you to make sure that you don't take any candy i'll be right back and then that worked if the kid they told the kid that there was like a magical something sitting in the corner they would like sit there like oh shit there you know i ate the candy i did this with my son and i did this with my son and i almost cried dude like literally got me so emotional so i i i just had this for the weekend this is literally last night i did this with him and so i'm like oh i haven't asked him but maybe he's is he old enough yet to me have this conversation like to delay grab try and test him and so i said i said hey daddy wants to i have a question to ask you you have an option you have you have uh you can get two cupcakes or one cupcake uh daddy'll give you one cupcake right now or if you wait till tomorrow you can have two cupcakes what do you want to do and he sat there and he like pondered it for a minute and he goes two cupcakes daddy and i go why and he goes so i could share one with you oh come on oh god oh my god everyone's going to cry right oh dude i just telling it again he got me because he was got me in the feel so bad i was like uh first you know his clothes are like his dad that's what it's inside part of his heart far as like yeah he's gonna be he's gonna be he's all if i tell him that he'll give me three yeah i was like oh man not only i know not only did he pick two but then when i asked him why so he could share the other one with me and i was like oh bro come on you would wait and then you would give up the other one i'm like come on that's so cool so like instantly i got all yeah my three old keeps telling everybody tells the nanny tells his mom i i'm gonna be whatever it is just like bubba and it's always something really good i'm gonna be strong just like i'm gonna be really smart i can't wait to grow up and be just like bubba oh they tell me about this oh you know that's so nice to get that's the best you know that's cute man that he said that oh i know i was like so i didn't even know if i could have that yet with him like is he at a point where he can even you did not expect that i did not i definitely not and i was like the first and of course the first part of me is like oh yeah he said did you give him two on the spot you win buddy you know this is what i also what my son's so amazing right like he i didn't even have that to give to him oh he didn't even bug me and ask me did you go by him no we didn't even talk about it was like literally just a moment we're in the bathtub and we're talking and i brought it up and then he said that got all emotional oh i love you buddy you're so amazing this and that then we went right back to playing he didn't even think that i mean this also too that's i think another thing that it highlights and i my my friends that are having kids now that are coming up or like uh or going to the sugar thing was such the move i feel like because that's the relationship he didn't even bug me about it didn't even ask me afterwards like daddy where's the cupcake or am i gonna get like he just it wasn't a big it's not a big deal you know which highlights too why he was like a no big deal about waiting another day for two so he can have an extra one to give away like i was like oh my god that's so awesome hey speaking of eating uh did i tell you guys the percentage of people or or who consumes the most beef did i tell you guys this like what what type of people or so so i just read like what region i just read this no no i just read this study i thought it was really awesome because i know that we all in this room make up this percentage the majority yeah 50 percent of the beef consumption in america so half of the beef that is eaten and consumed in america is consumed by 12 percent of americans wait wait wait say that again say that again half of so 50 percent of all beef consumption okay is eaten by only 12 percent of americans so 12 percent americans are eating half the beef okay you know well you know what that says to me even more we got how under protein everybody is to imagine if only 12 percent of the people are eating a majority of the meat and even the people that i've i've had that i've trained that eat meat still under consumed protein what do you think is happening to that 82 well so you see this proper way now the study what do you think they twist how do you think they they spun this what do you guys think they said oh that we're the ones doing the damage to the plan oh yeah any america like 12 percent of us are fucking up claim it offenders oh my god so hey listen listen this is by the way this is a new term we're gonna hear more and more i have a stat for you we're gonna hear more and more of especially during election season ready here's the quote yeah many many americans are eating nearly eight times more beef in a day than what's recommended ready for this this is the new term for an earth friendly diet earth friendly earth friendly yeah i just read an article by the way how about this stat uh i heard that nine percent so vegans fart nine percent uh more often than beef eaters throughout the day wait nine times nine times more so who's really contributing come on to the climate problem all the all the gassy vegans come on man that's yeah check me Doug earth friendly diet is going to be a thing okay they're going to start saying that earth friendly are you eating an earth so three people from my group were x vegans x yeah yeah let me guess they felt like crap and they had to yeah exactly what happened so so they and they converted to a pescatarian is it a pescatarian or pescatarian pescatarian not a pescatarian just pescatarian that's just when you're referring to a pescatarian yes so Justin you're wrong but not that far off so men who follow a mostly vegan diet fart seven times more than those who follow a predominantly meat-based diet interesting see two percent well have you guys ever eaten still have you guys ever tried to eat a vegan day stuff like that well no have you ever had a vegan day i've done it a few times where all those actually do this once a month where i would have just a vegan day go low protein for other reasons and uh yeah dude you just just just an air machine what all the all the all the fermentable fibers and stuff you know yeah so you just like an old motor just blowing out the ozone layer seriously you know stop it you know anyway this will be this will be save the planet this is going to be a thing um where they're going to start talking about this but you know i've said this before and people in the health and fitness space understand this the average american eats a terrible diet most of their diet majority is made up of heavily processed foods but the only whole natural foods that most people still eat are meat milk and eggs and if you cut those out you are going to cause far worse health in in many many people which is worse for the earth the best thing we can do for the earth is have healthy strong productive people in good mood who have good moods and aren't depressed and not anxious so this whole like let's sacrifice our health for the earth we're gonna end up with a bunch of sick unhealthy unproductive humans yeah that's not good for anybody no not good for me yeah speaking of uh so we're talking a little bit about eating uh nuts walnuts you know legumes whatever right so there's this guy in china who is um eating walnuts and and he was cracking walnuts with his something that he found that he was just cracking the walnuts with it was working out great for him a tool later on like a tool seemed like a tool they they they look at it um he brought it in somewhere i think somebody saw it was like oh my god turns out it was a uh grenade a live grenade from like world war two like a german grenade and he's just slamming it against these walnuts to open them and like had no idea like somebody had to tell him like hey that's like a grenade wow can you imagine it's just a matter of time maybe like that one strike boom oh no stupid yeah what would even make you lead you to do that use that of all the things i just thought yeah it's a heavy object and he was like yeah it's kind of long and cylinder dense i know that oh that's a german grenade yeah german grenade i mean you a lot of people he looks like you could kind of like a pestle or whatever you call oh yeah yeah no okay i get it now because i'm like i'm thinking of like a traditional looking grenade i'm like how did they set those off there was no pin right you twist it how did that work oh yeah it looks like that right like you twist and then just throw it i guess right i don't know good question that is interesting but uh it's actually a chinese grenade not german it's not german yeah this is so red i'm so wrong with my facts i just reminded me of a meme i had a picture of an ak-47 yeah and it said uh the only good thing socialism ever created and uh leftist hate it because ak-47 was made by the soviets it's like the most widely used gun in the world it's always the example right yeah we gotta get rid of these did you guys see the uh it's i go viral on tiktok right now the the cosco woman with the the couch no oh pull it up pull up uh woman returns cosco couch two years later so okay so i have to i have to admit something that i'm a bit embarrassed to admit that i didn't know this okay in in high school okay so and i don't know how much the policy has changed i think it still is kind of like that but cosco has a very similar like Nordstrom vibe where it's like if you've had something for a really long time you can still bring it so i had a i had a girlfriend in high school who every like she had a bunch of stuff like her stereo i know she did with like her bed stuff she had like a couple like things that she would she would buy from cosco and then a year later return it and get the newest model and she just did that every single year because cosco has this return policy wow and yeah and this is look at so the woman is going by after returning her couch of two years after buying oh she said she's like the color anymore yeah after two years and that's absurd so they do like they did what they did with cameras they did with like a lot and she used to do that with like like Nikon and Canon like nice like how much do you think that eats into their profit like if you take account of these cuts because this people like there's got to be like a decent amount of people that'll do that yeah that's an advantage yeah yeah i mean i'm sure it happens all time i don't do you know if they've changed the policy or anything like that i don't know uh did you know that you do that well so rachel my girlfriend oh she does it too well so she had this Dyson box and apparently there's some return policy and i go why are you keeping that Dyson box well in case i want to return it i go how long have you had this thing i've had it for like a year i go are you kidding me you're gonna return a Dyson after using it for a year do you understand that you're making everybody's Dyson more expensive you're the problem so this so the girl that i'm talking about she came from her dad was a lawyer so she was like the richest girl out of all of our friends that's why i thought it was really crazy that she did it because i was the same way i was just like wait wait she had her bot this is the first time i found out she had a box for like her stereo boom boxing that she had kept and i'm like why do you still have that box thrown away she's like oh no i might return this uh next year and i'm like we return it next year what do you mean she's like oh yeah costco lets you i'm the worst returns i'm the kind of guy i like i like to see more i don't want to return it whatever i tell i tell yeah i go get somebody to just take it if it's anywhere close to a tank of gas in price it's like you're like that's how i yeah i try to justify like not going back dude i'm terrible with that i'm not good isn't that crazy though it's crazy it is crazy i mean i was actually pissed off uh because i heard how common it was and i i just thought you know as a business owner yeah having people take advantage of you like that yeah it's not cool it's dishonest if you're right dishonest the price for the affected really right they have done yeah they gotta they gotta every company makes it has to factor in shrink right that's what that is right so you have to factor shrink in and so it is a little bit more it's really theft when you get right down it's just theft it takes hey he gets so mad you don't see how mad he gets we've had a that a lot very rare we've had people who'll because our program's come the 30 day money bag it does bother him oh yeah someone will do it like three or four times and you could tell what they're doing there's some people that'll get heated he wants to fight people yeah i love it well you know i have a very strong sense of justice what can i say or integrity integrity right you have a lot of integrity and so that's one of those things where it's i mean it just doesn't make the world any better when people do dishonest i mean it really bothers me what it is somebody who's got money too no that really bothers me i mean if you're like you know destitute yeah okay yeah because i feel like it's like okay well you're not exactly stealing so it's like one step but they made a virtuous post on instagram so it covers you know hey andrew did you find the actual tiktok video that went viral because i was looking for that i want to see that i did but it's it's kind of a long video this girl goes over her entire story if i'm getting to end but i looked at costco's return policy and they have a risk-free 100 satisfaction guarantee with basically everything except cigarettes and alcohol they don't accept returns and most electronics like televisions smartphone device mp3 players are now well i'm hoping we're not giving people ideas well listen costco's costco's uh they're a model of they're very successful and they provide high quality stuff and they've got high service so they must have enough customers who are like doug and uh you know who are like okay i like this company in order to make up the difference i mean i love their i love their um their hotdog philosophy oh yeah i mean that is brilliant it's so smart because so many people go there for the cheap hotdog and they lose on the hotdogs you know kind of like a dollar 50 i forget how basically marketing at this point right it is it's so it's so brilliant to make the the hotdog and the pizza is so cheap that everybody goes there and there's a good chance that you're gonna need to pick something up from costco it's a brilliant straight it's the same thing that yeah i remember a safe way hacked into with the the whole chickens right they take a hit on the whole chicken that's a that's a massive marketing strategy that everybody's tried to adopt after the fact it's driven so much business their way so smart interesting yep oh shout out yeah just reminded me he was talking about music and random artists so this is a different type of a shout out for the audience but i've i literally i think like for the last five or six months like his music has all i've been listened to uh steven rodriguez cool artist really really cool artist so if you have similar music taste as i do if you don't then whatever uh but you'll like it i think i i've really enjoyed his stuff so check out his stuff on on spotify or wherever music is streaming element t is an electrolyte 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you guys for the podcast you really pretty much saved my life i had hit rock bottom in august of 21 with alcohol and my health i had gotten up to about four to 30 pounds at the time and was sitting in a jail cell for about 90 days due to too many duis when i found your podcast after getting out of jail because i wanted to start a new life i haven't stopped listening since i've gone back to all sorts of your to the old ones and been playing catch up with the new ones going back and forth and that's been pretty fun to hear the the podcast evolve in that way um currently i am down to around 327 pounds and actually spent a good year after getting out of jail around 350 pounds following your programs and listening to your podcasts and i have really noticed now when i've been trying to drop the weight it's been a lot easier which has been really fantastic to go through just listening to you guys i really want to push myself my mind and my body and be the best version of myself by my 40th birthday and what i want to do is i want to try and do one bodybuilding competition at the age of 40 just to see how far i can push myself and just to see if i can do it and i was just wondering what advice would you guys have for me going forward first of all awesome story to hear where you're at now man that's what you've done oh wow we just got a picture of this is you currently right now yeah the bottom one with the trying to flex how long it's incredible how long does it take how long until you turn 40 it is a little less than two years i'm 30 i turn 38 november so okay okay okay we can make move and you've got a good base yeah definitely got some muscle on yeah you know now let me ask you this is what is it about competition that you're drawn to or doing the bodybuilding competition what's the feeling or the drive or what are you getting what are you going to get out of it because that'll help me with my answer um so i've been a competitive athlete my entire life i spent most of my life playing baseball and basketball played baseball in college um and i just kind of coming out of the last three years of basically a whole new transformation i really want to push myself my mind and my body to the limits and i want to see where it goes i want to see what i can really do okay okay now there's a good and a bad side to this okay the good side is if you take your time um and do things the right way then it'll work out well for you the the bad side is if you rush it and or and or you fall in love with this uh this goal like this is everything once i hit that goal man life is going to be different it's going to be incredible you could suffer from what they call uh a rival so what is that post post arrival depression or where you get the goal and then afterwards you're like oh god what do i do now can i can i make a suggestion for a different kind of competition that i think may serve you a little bit better yeah have you thought about powerlifting i actually kind of did think about that the accounting was those two that i was kind of thinking about doing honestly i like power lifting better yeah even if it's beforehand and i also think that you could take that advice from sal and still build a sick ass physique on the way yeah dude because powerlifting has weight crosses so you could get leaner and leaner and leaner and leader and still be very competitive in powerlifting and you could do a powerlifting competition now i mean you could you could get ready for one now and because it's performance oriented um the the potential damage that it could run on let's say your metabolism your body and your psyche is far lower now i'm not saying powerlifting's perfect but bodybuilding is one of those sports where i mean you get into it and if you're just you're just more likely to have a better relationship with food going through powerlifting bodybuilding bodybuilding is it'll mess it messes with a lot of people it's really really difficult to not put you in a bit of this body obsessiveness and this uh extreme diet extreme levels of dieting and cardio and so you're just flirting with that and because you're in this you're in a beautiful place right now i mean i love hearing a story like yours where you've completely turned your life around you're fucking heading down the right path right now i love the idea of setting a crazy badass goal getting after it i don't like bodybuilding as the choice just for the reasons of i know what it can do to you mentally going getting so obsessed with the body but i also respect that you want to push your body to a level like that and i we can do kind of both meaning we could train for a powerlifting meet but then i could also help you like hey let's keep sculpting and getting lean and getting ripped and like why not look badass while you do it too but not so obsessed about the calories and the and the weight and the body fat percentage that you start doing things that are unhealthy just to get this yeah body powerlifting will feed that competitive itch and i know like you know as an ex-athlete myself too it's just it's one of those things you want to be you want to drive towards something and it's like a very uh rewarding experience when you see yourself progress and you're pushing your body in that direction i think you know to pour yourself with a strength focused goal uh it's going to carry you so much further and and you know as you get into that and you really you know it becomes ingrained in you uh and you're eating and you're feeding yourself appropriately and healthy uh that's where we could start looking at you know maybe going into showing off your body and like what's happened as a result of what you've put in yeah look here's the deal you could get lean and do powerlifting but the powerlifting is going to check whether or not you're over dieting overdoing cardio because you'll get weaker you're just going to get weaker with bodybuilding people ignore that they get so focused on the scale and i got to change i got to over train i got to diet whatever that they it's like they don't pay attention to their performance or their health or how they feel now again i'm not saying you can't go unhealthy in a powerlifting competition but it's a far better choice for most people and it's going to feel more like the the competitions you did when you were playing sports than bodybuilding you know bodybuilding you get on stage and then judges tell you whether or not you win or not like powerlifting is much more like football baseball for sure like you you lift the weight or you don't like the judges are just look they're just very objective they're just going to make sure you touch your chest when you bench and you're going to do a deadlift and get full extension that's it the judge is not going to look at you versus another guy go well his bench press look prettier therefore now you move the weight or you don't i also like the idea of that even if let's say our long-term goal is to eventually get on a bodybuilding stage going the powerlifting route first is only better it's going to serve you way better because it will it'll it's going to force you to get really strong build lots of uh uh build lots of muscle also not do any sort of metabolic damage because you're in a place where you need to be able to perform and so you'll be so centered around that and then when you're like shit i'm stronger and leaner than i've ever been right now now let's take it to the bodybuilding thing you'll be in a better position to prep for a show from there than you than you would just going straight for prepping for a show right now so if we have any influence on you i think we're all in alignment i would push you towards the the powerlifting me and if you do choose to do this one i love to give you maps power lift and then two i'd love to put you in the form and be there to help guide you through this process okay yeah um i think i think you guys because i was teetering on going either way and i think you guys kind of convinced me to go the powerlifting route because i think like you said the competitive nature is it just it's objective right there she's going to lose you got to do it so i think that's the best way to go through it the iron the irony is if you if you're doing things like tracking your protein watching your diet make sure you eat healthy you'll end up with a better physique in a year doing powerlifting competitions than you will bodybuilding straight up where where are you at um give me an idea where you're at calorie wise and then tell me where your lifts are out of kind of i want to know your starting point here um so calorie wise i am at uh i let's say over the holidays i didn't track as well as i wanted to so let's say when you're tracking when you're tracking tell me where you're at so when i'm tracking when i'm when i've been dropping the weight about a pound and a half a week i was about at three thirty two hundred calories okay good good good that's what i wanted here i didn't want to hear something like 1800 or 2000 calories yeah right no no i i don't think i could ever go to that you know what though by the way that's exactly what happens to bodybuilding competitors though is they end up pushing themselves to those low low calories just to just to keep the the weight loss going the weight loss going and so and that's what we're afraid of is you're so focused on the stage day that you start to throw out what's best for your body where you won't get like that in powerlifting because it's there's no benefit to you being that low of calorie and you know leaning or losing that much weight right before a powerlifting meet so i think the powerlifting i think you're in a good place already calorie-wise so we're i think you're in a really good place to do this and then hey let's let's assess after the powerlifting meet um if you're still thinking about the bodybuilding thing and i think you'd be in a much better position you like the atmosphere of a powerlifting me too man being an athlete it's going to feel so it's going to feel familiar okay all right dude we're going to send over maps powerlift and then get you in the form make sure you say hi and let us know when you start the process i will thank you guys so much i really appreciate everything you guys have done and taking my question today you got a man appreciate you guys have a good one if 90 of the people that competed in bodybuilding and i say 90 because that probably encompasses like the average like people competing to local shows and stuff right there's that 10 that are like highly competitive but if you took a majority of people who tried bodybuilding shows and put them in powerlifting they'd be better off oh yeah how many would you say like i know arnold had a bit of a background in powerlifting i know there was other examples of like famous bodybuilders started there and then their physiques look amazing yeah ronnie colman ronnie colman the other one franco colombo that's another one so and two i mean and we we've stressed us a lot i think with women in terms of like being able to get because it's it's less uh i guess you see it less and so to get them you know focus on strength is such so transformative a guy like this who's losing so much weight if he went into a bodybuilding my fear which i think would be probably happen is he'd over dye it to the point where he would and then he would he would he would revert he would be screwed he'd go right back and gain all the way back yeah that's why i wanted to know where he was at calorie wise and then make that point that you be you will get done you that's what they do is they start off at 32 and then the weight loss slows down and they're so focused like oh shit i'm on stage in 16 weeks so i need to do this and so you start you just start doing that because you don't care about how strong you are you don't even care how you feel you don't care about your fitness no you're trying to get down to a size to you know do well on stage and you just throw out everything else and so it's just not i tell you what these when we get callers like this this is a part i this is my favorite part of what we do like i just hearing somebody like that where they they get thrown in jail because he's had so many DUIs level of depression and shit where he's at and to see him turn his life around right now and then and then make health and fitness amazing so so cool man keep going anthony our next caller is adam from wisconsin adam what's up man how can we help you hey guys thank you so much for having me on and appreciate your time and just really everything you do for the community i know you hear that a lot but begs repeating multiple times so thank you thank you awesome um wanted to um ask a quick question about folks that um myself included who have engaged in professional coaching had a a trainer a nutritionist over a period of time and now are looking to kind of transition out and are feeling empowered to do that work on their own and wonder if you have any advice for folks that have um navigated into that space and what you would advise them to kind of take as first steps um navigating this stuff on the on their own that's a cool question how long are you how long you've been with a coach and how many times are they seeing you right now per week uh for a year and um check-ins are once a week okay and that whole time it looks like you did like reverse dieting and so everything's good now you're at this nice stable place yeah went up from over basically over a year from about 2000 calories a little short of 2000 calories now up to 3100 um and in that time period actually dropped some some weight along the way which is um confusing but here we are uh so so yeah so but feeling at that stage where you know i've got the tools in my tool belt and kind of want to take a path on my own awesome adam what are your worries of going on your own because you've been with them for a year so you you have a good idea of kind of what to eat what to look for and feel and but i'm assuming you feel a little apprehensive and that's why you're asking this question what are your fears i appreciate the way you frames that um not necessarily fears but just more of um kind of questioning well what what do i do when um i don't have someone that's you know checking my calories checking my macros um saying hey are you a lot not not necessarily accountability but just more about where do i go from here um not having a goal or a strategy or someone to check that past so maybe that's maybe maybe that's an answer to your question have you thought about because i know sal was actually notorious for this as far as the three of us he did this the most is is actually scaling down to once a month before you go completely i was just going to say that like because if you feel if you don't feel like fully comfortable going on your own and even if it's not he's fully comfortable even if you just appreciate the accountability that's right that's what i mean like so it's a valuable investment once a month yeah once a month you reduce your cost by one fourth and now you and and you but yet you still have that accountability that oh i'm gonna have to see see sal on you know monday of next week it's like peace of mind for you yeah so i mean have you considered that no it's a great it's a great framing uh of that i kind of was doing the the false binary of it's one or the other uh so it's a great a great a great uh yes and there so i appreciate that yeah no it's uh you know it's a scaling down right because going from working with someone to nothing at all uh that can be challenging it just can because it's completely different um but you know you could go you could go once every other week or once a month that's what i would do so if you were my if you were my client you voice this to me like okay i'm you know i'm coming up on this and you know i'm not sure how i want to do this on my own that's what i would offer to you i'd say well i can meet with you every other week or we can meet once a month and then let's just take it from there and then that's a it's a much more gradual process and you get more time on your own feel it out and then from there you eventually get to the point where you're on your own yeah yeah right which is kind of more um the space that i was framing the question in because it's it's maybe i was motivated to say you know i don't really need this anymore i don't know if you've had clients excuse me in your experience where you're like no i feel and that's kind of how i feel right now like i feel i feel good but i still have goals and i still want to crush them and so what are what are the mechanisms out there for kind of someone like me that is is moving from a space where you've heard you're kind of outsourced that thinking and now you're going okay it's a blank blank slate i can do kind of whatever i want with this yeah no so the conversation with your coach is exactly that it's like okay i'd like to slowly transition to being on my own so i'd like to meet with you less frequently and i would like for some of our coaching to be centered around how i can start to figure out some of the stuff on my own so what you don't want to do is work with someone let's say once every two weeks and then they give you everything to do over the next two weeks so it's really not that different the only difference is you're not checking in as often so then the coaching changes so like the way that it would like typical client for me there were people i trained for 10 years you know 12 years non-stop and typically what it would look like is someone would start with me two days a week then they'd go three days a week then they'd go down to two days a week then they'd go down to one day a week and they'd go down to one day every other week and then add clients were with me once a month who had been with me for for for 12 years and it worked out perfectly and then some of them just stopped and they were on their own but a lot of them just went down that path because they appreciated the check-in the meeting the maybe i need some new exercises or i got this new pain or whatever because you know i'm the expert they're not type of deal but it was a really in terms of improving sustainability with my clients it was one of the key factors that played a role Sal did this the most but i did do this also the clients that i did do it with the way it looked like for me was you actually would see me that once a month and it was more you actually telling me everything i was just there to like give you like thumbs up like oh yeah great yeah good call on that or oh you know what you probably should have scaled this a little bit slower or you know what maybe it's time that we change this routine out for that routine or like you know what let's stop that or you know what your that's your knees bother you let me do some things like they were you really they were leading everything at that point and i was just there to be that authority to go like hey great job or oh you might want to consider this or like sal said if there's like something that has been troubling you for that month you would bring it to me when we get a good we're normally good friends we've been working we've been training together for years or years at this time and so you know we enjoy the work out together and seeing each other and catching up so there's there's nice camaraderie around that and then it's like literally you're telling me what's going on and i'm just kind of there to kind of guide you on and give you a high five along the way i had a lot of success with that i think my clients really enjoyed that and you know if if it uh financially if it's something that's feeble to you i think there's a lot of value and especially if it's a really good coach if you really respect this person as like man this guy or girl knows their shit and obviously way more than they do in this profession you know and so there's a lot of value just having that person to see once a month regardless if you could do it all on your own just having that that brain to to you know bounce things off of well to kind of yeah kind of piggy back off that what they're saying this this is what led us into also like really crafting these programs the way that we did so that way too it's like one kind of leads into the next which leads into the next and you can kind of draw that out in terms of like the entire year so that way it's not like guesswork in terms of like well you know if i'm just trying to be healthy i have sort of like a path that i can take you know in that direction to stay strong and keep my muscle mass as is or if i want to like really test myself and challenge myself in this part of the year uh so i don't know like you know if he has you on very specific plans that you could then you know sort of take that and then run with it and then you just check in with him um you know or if this is just based off of like nutrition of that that was like more of your concern was like i did this to nutritionally you know the training i'm sort of i got have that down but like i need more help with this no it's a um i appreciate the kind of the framework and i don't know if this has been your experience or if you've heard from other trainers but it kind of seems like they present it as like this is the package like i have i have option a and option a is this is the way it works this is the cost for it and so i haven't even thought of the alternative there so i i'm grateful well show this video to your your trainer or coach because they need to this is a good thing for a train for a coach uh to understand because what happens is they've what they've done you know without realizing because i know if when you bring this up they're like oh yeah let's do that what they've done is presented you with the this false idea that it's over afterwards but that's not really how it works so yeah they 100 they're gonna be like totally let's do that yeah cool yep awesome thanks guys appreciate you right thanks for calling him you know one thing i like to focus on there just for all the haters out there the reverse dieting you don't speed up and tell he went up a thousand calories in his lot i lost weight and that's countless people are like that so yes you could totally do it you could totally do it yeah it takes a little bit of time you got to do it the right way what do you uh psychology or sales what do you think he was in oh ham psycho oh yeah some kind of yeah he he he he he multiple times talked about reframing he also did the uh and yes so either he's got sales training in him or he's or psychology improv classes this stupid i want to know adam so when you email in or dm me one or the other i'm just curious i meant to ask him and then we got carried away on other questions but you know i think that when you find i have a client like this still to this day uh you know when you find a good trainer and coach that you know there's no question in your mind like their level of education experience is gonna it'll always exceed yours because it's their profession you do something completely different and you can afford to keep someone like that of your life once a month there's tremendous value huge huge value i because i you know i mean shoot i was just doing this with sal like i have family that reaches out to me i still default to hit to sal help me out with answering stuff with my own family and just the fact obviously it's that i'm their family so that i'm not charging them to do that but imagine they didn't have me like the value of being able to go like oh my god you know uncle so-and-so is going through this or and like you know when you have a profession a professional like that that you can rely on and if you can afford to do that so much i think professionals really need to consider this in today's age like just a text message like if they have that as an option like you know every now and then i can kind of text from you or like you know keep me accountable like because people do want to be able to have like somebody they can refer to as they're going through you know on their own so i think it's a viable bro as i actually was teaching kyle this the other day when we were doing this stuff for the trainers and for all the trainers that are listening right now i think that should be your your last drop or your very low thing yeah is that you have this offer that's you know a hundred bucks a month and that's all it is but it gives digital access to you all the time for them to be able to text and ask questions and do stuff like that and you'll and you'll answer a lot of value in that our next caller is katie from ontario hi katie hi katie how can we help you hey how's it going guys good what's happening good um so first of all i just want to say thank you um after listening to your advice i was able to reverse diet myself out of a pretty bad situation a few years ago i was overtraining underfueling and sort of messed myself up hormonally a little bit and so since then i've gone through a few mini bulks and cuts my problem is cutting makes me feel terrible it makes me feel like trash my workouts suffer i'm exhausted and it just makes me feel awful so goal wise um i guess i could stand to lose a little bit of body fat but it's not really that important to me to be honest um i have a decent amount of muscle what i do want to focus on though is getting stronger and just feeling good in my body and having more um energy so i'd like to push the calories back up again but if i notice that i'm putting on some body fat um more than i'm comfortable with i'm just wondering how i can mitigate that um without a drastic cut and feeling like propaganda yeah great question there's two ways to get leaner body fat percentage wise katie option one is to lose actual body fat option two is to build muscle and keep the amount of body fat you have on your body the same because remember body fat percentage is a percentage of overall body weight in other words if you gain five pounds of muscle you're now leaner even though you didn't lose a pound of body fat so reverse dieting slowly and focusing on strength will accomplish uh both of those for you now if you reverse diet and you say oh i think i'm gaining too much body fat you just reverse a lot slower or pause pause the reverse and see if you can or reverse out of it just a little bit so let's say you went up 200 calories this week and then you stayed like that for a couple weeks you're like oh i'm putting a little bit of body fat bring it down again bring it down maybe 100 150 and just keep it there and just play that little game that little step ladder game of bringing the calories up or maintaining while focusing on on performance in the gym and getting stronger that's going to serve you in the best way you know an exercise i used to do with my clients when we were going through something like this and this is all for the psychological uh aspect of i feel like i'm getting fatter at them because we're adding all these calories and we're in this mini bulk and many times that feeling that they have is just they're holding a little bit more water they have more carbs so glycogen in their muscles and so they feel a certain way maybe they are they're inflamed a tiny bit because we train really hard or and a lot of the times it's not that they're putting body fat on they just feel this certain way and then a lot of times they they course correct and go the other direction so one of these exercises i used to love to do with my client is as we're in this reverse diet and i think they're doing great we're slowly increasing calories they're getting stronger and they rapport back i feel like i'm getting a little fatter and putting body fat on i go okay tomorrow we're gonna do a 24 hour fast and i put them on a fast and then i'd say how do you feel oh my god i feel i feel so much better i say listen we didn't lose any pounds of fat today we didn't do that in one day one day did not lose a pound of body fat even on you all we did was bring down inflammation we depleted your glycogen and so you look like you're less full right now so it's not that you're fat and it's not that you're putting fat on right now we're just we got a lot of calories in us we're reverse dieting this is total this is a total normal process so i love to do that and sometimes that's a good exercise if you're not if you don't have coach and trainer it's a great little exercise to do to yourself just to make sure you keep yourself in check when you have those feelings instead of going on this long cut or now depleting calories for extended period time do a fast and see how you feel and look after that and a lot of times that will solve that you'll be like oh wow i feel great just don't overcorrect is the main thing here do you how do you judge whether or not you're gaining excess body fat what do you have an objective metric that you use or is it based off of just feel so i'm i want to get more into the place where i can i'm gauging based on you know how my clothes are fitting or how i'm feeling i stopped weighing myself last week because to be honest i was you know messing with my head a little bit right like there would be times i weigh myself my you know my weight up but i look at myself and i feel like i look great right but the scale was still screwing with my head too much yep so i decided that that is not the scales not my friend so i ditched that um so yeah the metric that i really want to use is just how i'm feeling and how like even how i look but based on that judgment right yeah the scale becomes our god and and that god will tell you you're gonna have a good day or you're gonna have a bad day regardless of what's actually going on so you did a good job by by tossing the scale you could get a body fat caliper test uh do you go to a gym yeah so you might be able to ask a trainer that hey can i get a body fat test with you you know once every three weeks or something like that and then just look at the trend that's another way to do it how your clothes fit that's another way to do it but i i like performance in the gym and clothes how your clothes fit and then how you feel in the gym and by the way if you're building a little bit of muscle in certain areas like the hamstrings or glutes that means your pants may feel tighter in that area but they tend to feel looser in the waist you know type of deal sometimes my female clients would freak out because their shirts might feel tighter but that's because their posture straightened out maybe they got maybe a little bit more deltoid development um so you know it's really it's it's a lot of this is in our heads and it starts to mess with us a lot of it's i mean sodium could manipulate this with water you can uh have a poor night's sleep and a little bit of extra stress in your life and then the body gets inflamed and like there's a lot of things that could really change the way our clothes fit feel and the way you look in the mirror day to day and so if and i like the idea of the body fat percentage once every three weeks but here's the rule that i would have if you were my client also is that this is our plan we're going to reverse diet we're adding these calories you go i'm gonna go take my body fat test you test it and then you're like oh adam i feel like we're putting i'm putting on body fat or i don't feel like we're going the right direction i would want you to feel that way and make it through another body fat test to confirm that that's what's happening before i let you course correct because you could just be having a day or three days in a row of just that kind of feeling and then once that water gets out and then once the inflammation comes down all of a sudden you're feeling better and what i didn't i don't want to do with you is course correct and go the other direction before we gave it some time to see like oh let's let that inflammation come down let's see how you feel in a week or two from now so you know when you and three weeks by the way in a slight reverse diet calorie surplus is not going to put on a crazy amount of body fat so when you get that feeling of you want a course correct make sure you stack two body fat tests back to back in a row i did one this week i didn't like how the results were but i'm still not going to course correct i'm going to stick with it for another three weeks and then if it still is trending in the wrong direction okay i can course correct but a lot of times what will happen is within that week or two it'll even out body will respond and then you'll see positive results and then you're normally like okay i just need to stay the course how do you how do you feel otherwise i feel great um my sleep's pretty good um you know i was i had to i was running as well um running two times a week so i um you know going to the gym doing a program four times a week i was running twice since my last cut started like mid-december i don't have the energy to run um just tired all the time so um you know i needed to cut that out but other than that like before that in december when my calories were higher when they were like 2,500 i felt amazing like my sleep was good i had good energy you know woke up like right away not groggy um so everything else was great just just lift just lift i would i would cut the cardio unless you like to stamina and the endurance the running endurance which if you do that's fine but i wouldn't even do the running i would just walk if your goal is just to feel fit lean strong incapable again if you want that kind of endurance you're gonna only you're only going to be able to get it if you run but otherwise i would cut that out i would walk and i would train and to build muscle and strength slowly reverse diet and you're going to get leaner from doing that that's what's going to happen the body fat percentage will go down but you will mess with your head if you use metrics to to gauge progress too frequently but obviously the scale you took that out wonderful get rid of it don't even have in your house but even circumference measurements even body fat like if you get addicted to those those can even start to mess with your head a little bit because what they do is they tell you what your feeling is wrong yeah oh i feel good uh oh but the scale said this oh now i don't feel good or i feel like crap but the scale went down i feel good now it's like it literally takes you out of your body and it becomes your god dictating to you how you're supposed to feel and you don't you don't want that it's gonna it's not going to direct you in the right way this is why i want two two bad body fat tests in a row before we even which is six three weeks which is six weeks that's three weeks three weeks that's six weeks before you make any drastic decisions because a lot can happen in that and a lot of times you're just testing on a wrong day that it didn't test good and so don't allow that one test or one scale way to to deter you so that would be my advice if you do the body fat you want to know what's funny you want to hear a true story this this this is a trip i stopped testing body fat percentages and weighing people probably the last i don't know nine years of my career and i got way better results with all my clients all of them and i stopped doing them completely didn't do them at all unless somebody asked me and it was whatever but i just stopped doing them and people got way better results i think they're more of a negative than a positive for the most part yeah that makes sense and i hundred percent agree i found that i don't want some sort of external metric like that dictating my progress because i i felt that i would look a certain way be happy and then weigh myself and then feel bad about it for for no reason that's right um with respect to the frequency of like how many calories to increase when going through this um you know i have in the past just done gone really really slowly um and just done like a hundred wait a few weeks a hundred wait a few weeks um would you recommend that kind of frequency yeah that's fine i could do 100 every two weeks 150 every two weeks um depending on the individual but if you feel comfortable doing that there's nothing wrong with it whatsoever and and listen fall in love with how you feel in the gym fall in love with your energy throughout the day those will be far better guides than everything else awesome thank you you got it thanks for calling in thank you i bet you guys did the same thing did you guys test body fat and weigh people towards the back half of your career if i did i actually didn't let them know yeah isn't that weird yeah exactly yeah i would do it we were taught to do it yeah like this is what you're supposed to do to track your clients then we we all figured out it was better if we didn't i mean you know me i like all the metrics i enjoyed i appreciate all that stuff to kind of factor it into my decision but yeah i kept it to myself that's what i i learned i learned that letting them know was a bad idea because then that would throw their throw them off like it was more of a records thing for me so i would yeah i would take it all and then i would like periodically i would kind of go back and test things but yeah i wouldn't show them or like really pay a lot of attention to that it was really just focused on the training and nutrition they're doing and complete transparency this came really full circle or i really really fully grasp us when i competed because never did i ever have to track to the level i had to and boy did i go through many times where i thought what the fuck i'm doing something wrong and i had to trust the process i had planned this all out i was tracking so diligently like yeah i knew the math but man and the mirror you know that's why i'm like when i tell people like you gotta be careful because you know i i remember seeing a high sodium day of inflammation day of these and then you look in the mirror and i go oh fuck like something's wrong i ate too much yesterday and it's like you have this you want to the very next day go cut the calories get on the cardio or do something and you do this drastic course correct and so you got to let the you have to let the days kind of play out and it's like man just be careful before you you you correct every single time because a lot of times your body is it's just holding a little bit of extra water due to multiple different factors and you had no idea what you were doing perfect our next caller is dwayne from texas dwayne what's up man what up dwayne yeah hey how's it going howdy from east texas y'all what's going on what's going on dude what's happening hey um first of all i just want to say thank you uh for having me on and uh man you guys have really changed my life um i haven't worked out like pretty much my whole adult life right high school is the last time i saw a weight room and uh started getting into just losing weight because i got really out of shape overweight and uh did it you know the wrong way like everybody does to start with um got on weight watchers lost 40 pounds and uh within a couple months of getting off weight watchers gained half of it back so decided that wasn't even close to sustainable so started doing a lot of research and uh started counting macros tracking my calories and everything and uh then started getting into fitness decided you know i needed to get in shape and um joined a couple online boot camps and didn't really necessarily enjoy those but since it's been so long since i worked out i really didn't know any exercises or how to work out uh luckily very early into um starting to lift i found you guys started listening to your bot podcast digesting your podcast and uh bought some programs started with y'all's programs and it has totally transformed my life and not only my life but seeing the progress i've made my wife has started strength training and now my 70 we're in your old bomb is a month into strength training as well so nice you got engine you know my life but you're changing a whole lot of lives your your reach is a lot farther than just your listeners so thank you hell you love hearing that yeah so how long now have you been since you found mind pump is this been months years because you would have fooled me by saying that you just got going on on working out especially with that sick ass weight yeah yeah you're all in man yeah yeah oh man all in absolutely when i get into something i go all in so yeah i built a home gym and uh that way i could never have an excuse not to work out um but no i've been i've been following mind pump programs for a little over eight months now and working out consistently for about a year and a half nice excellent beautiful good stuff dude yeah great what you got for us you have a question okay um i've always been interested in you know individual sports not much of a team sports guy but i've always loved individual sports and i think because of that i'm kind of drawn towards bodybuilding so i really want to on my 50th birthday which is just a little over four years away get on stage for men's physique i hear you guys you know talk about if you chase health you'll get a aesthetics as well if you chase aesthetics you don't get either so my question is as a relatively new lifter i want to follow mind pump programs i want to chase health and do it in a in a healthy way to where in about four years i can have a physique that i'm proud of to present on stage in immense physique i don't have to win i just want to be proud of my my physique that i present dude this is so crazy you're asking this because just two callers ago yeah we got a guy who is his his goal by his 40th birthday so he's coming up on his 40th birthday and wanted to do the exact same thing and i think our advice is going to sound the same yeah to be look to be clear when it competing in a stage presentation sport like physique or bodybuilding or for women bikini or fitness or figure there there is there's a healthier way to do it but there isn't a healthy way to do it i remember when adam was competing in fact we started the show and he was still in competition competition mode and he would tell everybody all right guys i'm entering into the unhealthy portion of prep those they're not pro health now bodybuilding from a workout perspective build muscle perspective consistency perspective can be very healthy competing in bodybuilding is not okay that being said if you want to compete in something and hit a goal and look good doing it and do it in a way where you're gonna you're you're gonna your health will be great and all that stuff powerlifting would be a much better place to compete in have you have you thought about doing like a strength based sport like powerlifting not really no but i think i would definitely be interested in in something like that like i said i like individual competition yeah and definitely you know y'all's programs have definitely steered me in the right directions towards strength my all of my lifts have gone up dramatically i've done i started with map starter i did anabolic then performance and now i'm uh doing maps aesthetic i'm in the second week of maps aesthetic just about done with week two well i i want to address a couple things one you should be very proud of the physique that you walk around in already right now dude at 40 something you're mid 40s to look the way you look currently right now transformation you look you look phenomenal so i first want to address address that and then just like the other guy i wouldn't tell you that we can't do bodybuilding but i would tell you let's let's do the powerlifting first because it's going to set you up for bodybuilding anyways because that strength is the foundation of all pursuits and so if we focus on getting you strong as fuck build your metabolism up and we really go in that direction right competing in in powerlifting and then you're going to be and i think you're going to be happy with the way your physique looks you're going to be stronger than you've ever been which is also going to result in probably a faster metabolism because we're not going to be dieting like a bodybuilder which will only put you in a position to get ready for a bodybuilding show so if you were a client of mine and you did want to ultimately do mince physique i would actually first go let's do a powerlifting me let's go that direction we're going to build your metabolism we're going to build some strength on the way your physique is going to continue to change and look great but we're not focused on the cardio hard cutting calorie aspect that physique does tend to attract and we're focused more on the metrics in the gym of your strength your bench is going up your squad is going up we're feeding the body enough so you're not depleted like those things are so important to powerlifting and they're not important to bodybuilding and where you're currently at in your stage that's where i want you first and then afterwards that we do our first powerlifting meet and you check that box if you're like all right adam let's go let's go let's go bodybuilding now i would love to take all the muscle that you can man keep that strength focus it's it's such a healthier pursuit that then is going to reveal itself like you know the further down you go i know this is like what you say the eight months like recently of doing you know our programming i think like you there's so much more to explore oh bro it's just going to keep going and at that point too you know like it's not out of the question to then step on stage but you know you're going to establish a really good foundation to then you just make you know a little tweaks and in your diet and you can kind of get to the point where now you feel comfortable going in that position yeah and there's no shortage of power of good small local powerlifting competitions in texas yeah right yeah yeah yeah even strongman competitions they're great dude i think you'll enjoy that and it's good it's a great competition and it's not going to take you away from health the only detriment to powerlifting is sometimes people will they'll disregard joint pain or they'll not focus on mobility yeah so that's the only thing i'd say keep in mind if you start to notice you know because your strength is going up so much and you're only doing you're doing the same kind of movements and you start to get a little joint pain you know you back out a little bit do some mobility maybe do map symmetry for a for a cycle go back to powerlifting but other than that man that's listen that's the way to go we'll be there with you if you're open to this if you're open to doing the powerlifting i would love to do the same thing that we just did with the other guy two callers ago and give you maps powerlift put you in the private forum with us and as you're going through the process keep us in a loop yeah let us know how it's going and what's going on and we can help make adjustments to the diet or like you to salis point if you start to notice achy joints or something going on will help correct course and and put you on some mobility stuff to fix that but if you're open to it i would i would love to see you do that first okay yeah absolutely um i've got maps powerlifts and i'm in though okay all right well shit i'll give you a what when it's time for bodybuilding i'll hook you up with max aesthetic you have that right he's on it right now do you have do you have maps uh prime pro i have prime prime pro i have pretty much every program you all have opr and hit and stuff the the more cardio and you don't need yeah you go well well i guess we're just going to have to help you out in the forum then make sure when you get in there and you and you start powerlift give us a heads up at the starting point and i'd love to see you know i don't know each phase updates on your your big lifts yep you know i'd love to see how they're moving and and what the where the weight's at and then and then of course use that as a resource if you have questions nutritional and your things like that but bro you're doing really good man you're doing really good and and i am i am very proud of what i've accomplished so far started should be 200 pounds and totally out of shape and you know 203 pounds now and a whole lot of muscle yeah i went eating 2200 calories trying to lose weight so now i eat 3200 calories and i've got to start adding more because i'm starting to lose weight at 3200 oh you're on fire yeah you're on fire and this is perfect for powerlifts right now reverse diet and do powerlifts yeah you got it yeah i love that awesome yeah i really appreciate it you got it doing all right do i will see you inside the forum man thank you salute i know we don't normally do this but i want his before and after in there because the one i saw i like it we heard from him so people can hear from him and see what the process was 2200 calories to 3200 calories and look at the difference before and after yeah unbelievable i mean i mean not unbelievable we've seen that but he was consistent he did it right and i think powerlifting competition is the right direction a bodybuilding show would would would probably present and cause potential damage yeah bro you know how sick that he's 45 years old dude okay he's every bit are older than each of us in here right now except for Doug and he's literally looking the probably the best he's ever looked in his life looks incredible dude and what a cool story where he's at so cool metabolically 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