 Welcome, everyone, to JSA TV Live, the live streaming newsroom for data center professionals. I'm Jamie Skado-Kutaya of JSA and today we are speaking with investors, data center platform owners and energy specialists as they converge right here at Platform Congress along the French Riviera. So, bonjour, everyone. I'm Jamie Skado-Kutaya joining me today. We have Vincent Barrow. He is the vice president of Secure Power and data center business for Schneider Electric. Welcome to JSA TV Live, Vincent. Nice to be with you, Jamie. It is a pleasure to have you here on this beautiful, gorgeous day and the event is definitely kicking up. You can feel the energy on the floor. And of course, this is the inaugural Platform Congress event and we're so excited to be part of it. Schneider, of course, here in a big way. Tell us, why do you believe Platform Congress is such an important event for our industry? First of all, there's a lot of energy today, but I can tell you there was a lot of energy last night as well. Yes, they did the initial cocktail reception. Exactly. So as you can see, despite of it, there's a lot of people today here and mainly in conference. No, I mean, why is it really interesting because we know very well as Schneider's organizer. So even for us, it was a bet. Let's be honest because it's the first one. But we know that the team of Gregory, Philippe, etc., got a huge track record in the industry in this type of event. So it was a non-brainer. And as we can see today, it was the right choice to be there. Yes. For us as well, you know, you get the call from Philippe or Nikola and they say, come on out. And you said, OK, tell me when, tell me when. What is really interesting and not expected is, I mean, first of all, winter is coming. So we know, unfortunately, with last year experience, that in winter comes as well as COVID. So I think it's maybe the last opportunity in Europe and definitely in France to be each other. Let's see. Yeah. Finger crossed that this year would be better. So that's great. And as we all know, there's a geopolitical situation, which is weird. And to be all together today, give us certainty to share all our problems, all our questions. And it's great to confirm some assumptions that we have and how will we work together in the future for this industry. Couldn't agree more. The time is of the essence. The timing of this so critical, so much at risk today. And sustainability being, of course, a founding pillar of Schneider these days. Your efforts within the digital infrastructure community is really a big theme on display here at Platform Congress, as well as, you know, a major part of your core values at Schneider. So can you tell us some of the initiatives your team is currently working on in terms of sustainability? Yeah. So first of all, sustainability is not a new topic for us. So more than 15 years we do sustainability. So it's really core for DNA. And the best way to prove it is really to see the type of acquisitions that we did from day one. What is the real topic that we see at the moment is really electricity 4.0. So what this means is how to be more efficient with the energy is really to mix digital and electricity. More digital, more electricity is really the future of sustainability. And definitely what we do is to support our customer through the whole life cycle, from consulting, services, infrastructure, software. I mean, we have a lot of solutions. But clearly what we see a lot more at the moment. Hello, lady. It's it's really to talk about the digital twin. Yes. How do you manage fully digitally your infrastructure and your energy management is a big topic. And as you can see with Schneider, and as you said, we are a lot of people there to support and walk the talk. Because the main topic is now it's time to act. So you need supplier who are able to do. And the good thing is we have the solution to support our customer with their challenges. Yeah. So what advice do you have for data center providers as we're further pushing growing together to keep sustainability and energy at our core focus? Do you have any advice for us? Yeah, first of all, I think, as I said, it's time to act. So when we talk about data center infrastructure, you talk to three years in advance. So if you don't plan now, and if you don't talk to the people in the industry who know how to manage it, you will be in trouble. And we did a big research with Forester, which really show that customer, but even employees are looking to see more sustainability and purpose driven topic. If you don't take care of it now, you will be very fast in trouble because you will lose your business and you will lose your customer. That's right. That's right. It's not a nice to have. It's a must have and it's a competitive issue now. Buyers are coming to us saying, I want the more greener data center. You know, and Schneider can get you there, right? Yeah. And the thing is, I mean, if you thought in the past, maybe we see some times that really building quick and dirty in order to do then to solve it, or maybe it's dead. This model is dead. So you have to really think CapEx, but as well, OPEX and then, of course, services, because at the end of the day, I mean, you need to be sustainable, but sustainable, but at the same time to be resilient. So the equation is not easy to do. And you need people to support you. And that's what we do. That's right. That's right. All right. So shifting gears just a little here to another big industry topic, The Edge. The buzzword. The Edge. What are the biggest hurdles that you see operators running into regarding edge deployment? And how can Schneider's eco structure solutions help? So the main problem with the Edge is, in fact, we talk about hybrid infrastructure. So you have the link between big data center, cloud anywhere in the world. Then you've got the medium data center and the small data center, which are at the Edge. What means Edge? Because the world is sometimes here. It's a real world is how you are closer to the people to do better. That's the main topic. But if you want to manage it with less people, how do you do this? And what does eco structure? We help you to standardize your infrastructure with the right products, with the right solution. And at the same time, to really drive them, I give you one example. And I'm based in Switzerland, so I can talk about banking. If you have a bank with large data center, with confidentiality, and with small branch, if you don't have people in a branch to manage it, how do you manage that? And that's what we do. We are employee. You call Schneider. Yes. I love it. I love it. So where can our viewers go to learn more? OK. So to learn more easy, our website. And I mean, we have people everywhere in Europe. So just reach us. And that's it. That's it, guys. SchneiderElectric.com, thank you so much for your time here on JSATV. And thank you viewers for tuning in as always. And stay safe, guys. Happy networking. Welcome, everybody, to JSATV Live. We are live streaming from NTIB, guys. This is the wonderful newsroom for telecom and data center professionals, JSATV Live. Today, we are speaking with investors, data center platform owners, and energy specialists, as they converge right here at Platform Congress along the French Riviera. Woo-hoo. All right, guys. I'm Jamie Scaracatella. Joining me today is my friend, Terry Shamayou. He is the Vice President of Cloud and Service Providers and the Mayor here for Schneider Electric. Terry, welcome to JSATV Live. Well, thank you very much. It's a pleasure for me to be with you today. Really, truly. And as you said, beautiful place out here, where to be on top of everything. The French Riviera. Can you beat this location? No. No. And gorgeous September weather. Literally, the heart of the world. We're right here. So also, we should mention you were the very opening speaker today at Platform Congress, really setting the pace for the event. Can you tell us what are the key points you hope attendees walked away with today? Well, you said it. It's very interesting, actually, to be the keynote speaker and opening that platform event. Because you're always trying to figure out whether you're going to be making the point or are you going to be clear enough? Are people ready to hear you what you're saying? Because we've all enjoyed a very nice dinner the night before. Care of Schneider. So no, in all fairness, what was important for us to share was, again, the fact that in Schneider Electric, what we are extremely proud of is the fact that we're a growing tech company that our commitment to sustainability is paramount and not to be proven. Because that's something that we have started more than 20 years ago. And it's all about sharing what we've been through, what we see, how we anticipate that should be the new trends. We're all clear about what has to be happening and how definitely focused we have to be on the climate change and do the appropriate and necessary measure. So yeah, so I was very happy to take the audience through what is super important and at the very heart of Schneider Electric. As I said, we look at it in a very holistic way of it, and it's very much in our DNA. Absolutely. Schneider Electric, the DNA, core values, absolutely lives with sustainability. So what are you most looking forward to this week at Platform Congress? I tend to say that a good day for me is when I get to bed a bit less silly than the way I woke up in the first place in the morning. So learning. I think that learning is the most important thing. And learning not for keeping it, learning for sharing it. So my ambition, my obsession for this week is to understand, see, feel what others have gone through and for me to share 100% that what we're doing, what we've been doing and what we're actually putting in place for the future. So that sharing, that cross-knowledge sharing, that open platform that we've talked about, yeah. And such an international stage as well. It's really quite the audience here. Look, you're right. The world is here. I was chatting with a friend of my longtime friend from South Africa now is flying back and forth between the US and South Africa. We've seen people from Northern Europe, Eastern Europe, Middle East. Do you name it? So yeah. Yeah, and just later today, in a couple of interviews later, we'll have the chairman of IX Africa joining us as a further example of this international Congress here today. Now, there's a lot of talk on sustainability efforts within the industry. Of course, the topic, like we mentioned, core to Schneider's business. Schneider's outlined a concrete, ambitious targets for sustainable impact in support of the United Nations, sustainable development goals. Can you tell us a little bit more about this program and your company's involvement? Absolutely. So let me bounce back, baby, on something that I shared and introduced this morning during the presentation. So you were there, so you heard it. But I think that for the people listening and watching us today, I think it's very important. From the outset, when Schneider has been embarking into sustainability, for us, we've made absolutely zero space for debate on whether we should articulate that in a manner that is going to be kind of a private very link to what Schneider does and does only. So the only way that we could have something which is going to be really impactful is to take, essentially, a size-based target, is to take on everything that, as you rightly said, the sustainable development goals that United Nations has put forward and embraced. So I mean, the six elements is 100% part of our strategy. The way we look at that strategy, by the way, is very simple or difficult, the one you want to play it. But we do believe it's very simple. It's lead by example. So our CEO was actually driving it from the very top of the organization and is making sure that it percolates down into the entire organization. And just to make sure that we're having, at any given time, a local feel and a local implication to the community. We have divided those six major commitment into a set of 11 plus 1. The plus 1 is actually the local goal that we have into what we call internally the Schneider sustainability impact. And where we start measuring, again, on size-based targets, what we're doing, how we're doing. And this is not only limited to the CO2 emission. We're talking about the wastewater. We're talking about giving a chance to a person irrelevant of male, female, young, talent, experience, sound experience people. We're also making sure that we're applying that in the way that we select our suppliers. And there is something which is very important in sustainability, which is very important around the ESG discussion is that if you mean what you say, it means that at the point in time, you have to make a choice in your suppliers. And for us, the choice has been to explain to all of our suppliers, to all of our customers, to all of our stakeholders who we are and how we do those things. And making a choice means that we need to cut at times. So there are some suppliers that are still our suppliers because they have embraced our goals, our ambition. And that's the reason why you've heard that our ambition in Schneider electric is to have in 2050 the entire supply chain to be absolutely carbon zero. So amazing. And so important, too, as businesses are really trying to understand what their scope three emissions are, they need to understand who their suppliers are and how they're protecting and getting more green for our environment. So if you could give one piece of advice for the companies out there who are on their journey towards digital transformation, what would it be and why? Well, I would say the very key element is don't look back. There is only one thing that we're sure of about the future is that we don't know. The only thing that we're aware of, and that's what I was sharing this morning again, we're saying that we are actually that generation talking about climate change who is actually witnessing what's happening and having the opportunity to change that. The digital transformation is absolutely needed in the sense that you cannot leave with managing hardware or getting the hardware to end up matching what you're doing because you cannot react on time. You need to be capable of managing remotely. You need to be capable to understand the way in advance before anything occurs. You need to be on a predictive capability. And again, I think that if you mix the digital transformation which is inevitable, you heard me talk about the COVID-19. Some people are saying that it's what fuels some kind of recession or the trend that says that density in urbanization and so on and so forth has a direct impact on the climate change because that has not changed as a priority. But the reality is that if you go with a recession, what do you think is going to happen? People are going to digitalize to be capable to survive to that earthquake. So at the end of the day, your digital transformation is inevitable. Every data you're going to create to manage your business tomorrow and not to be managed by that business has to be managed into our data centers. And our data centers have to be absolutely green because the pledge to the climate pledge and the climate change is something that we do not negotiate. So you could see that there is a very virtuous circle that we have embarked with our stakeholders, with our customers. So the one message would be, don't change or don't leave space for doubt. That's the only way forward. Make it right. So make it green and make it with us. Yes, yeah. Think forward. Think forward, as my husband likes to say. Think green, think Schneider. Exactly. All right, so where can our viewers go to learn more? SchneiderElectric.com? Twice. One for you, one for where there is. I love that. I love that. Thank you so much for your time here today and for your wonderful keynote inspiring us all. Thank you, viewers, for tuning in to JSATV Live. And as always, stay safe, stay green, and happy networking. Welcome, everyone, to JSATV Live. The live streaming newsroom for data center professionals. Today, we are speaking to you with investors, data center platform owners, and energy specialists right here as they converge at Platform Congress and the French Riviera. So I'm Jamie Scott-Okataya, guys, and joining me today, we're so honored to have Deborah McGargle. She is the CEO of FAR, an early stage venture backed SaaS solution that provides interactive experiences and augmented reality tools, which we can integrate into a customer's existing digital collateral. So here to tell us more, Ms. Deborah, welcome. Hi, thank you for having me. It's great to be here. It's an honor to have you, Deborah. You are, of course, a longtime entrepreneur, as well as a corporate equity lawyer. What are you hoping to gain from Platform this year? The conference itself for me was almost like it was written for me. It was full of data, technology, investment, venture capital, it was everything. I think they probably just looked at my resume and said, hey, we'll just lay this on for you. My primary focus is investment. There is so much investment coming into data centers. We've seen such an incredible spike over the last two years. So I want to know where is the money coming from? Where is the money going? We've seen recent news reports just in the last week alone of how funds are advertising just how much more they've raised. It has to be deployed somewhere, Jamie, it has to be. So I'd like to know where it's going and what better setting than here at Platform because I'm able to get this information straight from the industry leaders. There's global professionals here and it's already been wonderful. Yeah, you've already had a good feel, a good energy. Oh, incredible, incredible. Such an international crowd as well. Yes, and it's upbeat, which is great. It's positive messaging, which is fantastic. Yes, yes. And talking upbeat and positive message, can you tell us a little bit about FAR and the inspiration behind its launch? I've been an entrepreneur. I've had multiple startups over the years. I keep saying I'm not going to do anymore. And here we go again. And here we go. FAR develops technology in the Web 3.0 metaverse space. Now, before everybody goes, oh. The technology, we're playing around in this space with our software. We want to see where it's going. My particular interest is augmented reality. So I'm really keen to see what role augmented reality will play in this space. I also love some crypto. So I'm quite interested to see what happens in the metaverse with crypto. And thank you guys. We are back after that brief moment from our sponsors. And we are here talking live at the Platform Congress with Ms. Deborah McGargle, the CEO of FAR. And Deborah, we were just mentioning, what was the inspiration of your launch of FAR? FAR is really playing around in the metaverse 3.0 space. I have been hearing all this news about the metaverse. I know that many people groan about the metaverse and know what is it. And mind you, they did do that at Web 1.0 and Web 2.0. So perhaps a Web 3.0 might just be the one this time. We, with FAR, I didn't want to participate in Mark Zuckerberg's metaverse. I think it looks great, but as a woman in my 40s, the thought of becoming an avatar and working in the metaverse and socializing in the metaverse and playing the metaverse, I'm afraid it's just a step too far for me. But I don't want to be precluded from the technology. I want to be able to access this as well, but I want to be able to access it when I want to access it. So if I want to take in my natural surroundings without any technology, then I should be able to, but equally, using existing tools like my mobile phone, I should also be able to open up the world that I want to see with content that's relevant to me as an actual human as opposed to an avatar. Absolutely, absolutely. And that's sort of a wonderful lead-in, really, because you are joining us tomorrow in a great conversation, a great roundtable on women in finance and technology. Certainly, in your opinion, what is, why is diversity so important, especially in the tech industry, and why now? I don't think this is a difficult question. I don't think this is a difficult question at all. If you have a diverse workforce, if you put diversity at the very center of your workforce, you have more creativity, you have better ideas, you have a much broader sense, and you're able to apply that to the products and services that you're making, which makes for the most innovative products and services that you can then go on to deliver to your customer. I can't believe we're still having the diversity conversations. I think that it should just be a complete no-brain. If you want to deliver the best to your customers or your end users, then the only way that you can do it is by having diversity in the building of those products and services to begin with. Absolutely, absolutely. And on the same topic, what advice do you have for the younger women interested in pursuing a career in technology field today? The words technology field are really, let me start that again. We need a rebrand. Yes. We need a complete rebrand, don't we? Yes. When we use the words technology sector, it just makes all of the women run from the shores. I am a lawyer. I work with marketeers. I work with accountants. We're all part of this technology sector. I think when women, particularly younger women, hear the words technology sector, they think computer scientists, they think engineers, and they think no makeup, hair tied back. I can still be a brilliant legal technologist. I can still be a CEO of a technology company in this new world that's developing, and I can still like makeup and want to do my hair. Seriously, a full rebrand is exactly what's needed here. And my advice to answer the question for these young women is please just see past the brand, see past the messaging. If you look past the messaging, perhaps it's not even a question, or perhaps it's not even advice to young women. Is it not a case that it's an advice to the educators and to those who are advising about careers? That's maybe where this is best landed. But technology sector is nothing to be frightened of, and so much to be gained. I've had a really rich career in this sector. Yes, yes, you are absolutely a great example of a success story in our tech and investor financial industries combined. Tell us more about why your passion lies with disruptive technologies and grassroots innovation. I'm a sucker for the innovator. I'm a sucker for the outsider. I think that people who are prepared to run with a completely random idea or try to disrupt the sector that's already been nailed on in full, and they have got the gumption to go for that with no money and no customers. I think that that for me is bravery itself. It's bravery personified. And I can't help myself. I love this sector because to see all of these wonderful ideas, the wealth of brains, the collaborative approach within the disruptive sector, there's no other sector like it. And what would be my alternatives? I could be in a corporate law firm. I could be delivering in a very gray box and earning an awful lot of money, or I could just be working with the best of the best. And people who hopefully in years to come will go on to be super successful and have their businesses showcase at an event like this at Platform. Well, what a great example of following your heart and your passion and creating a career out of it. Thank you, Ms. Deborah. And tell us, where can our viewers go to learn more about FAR? So we have our website, which is mfar-f-ar.co. You can find us on there. And also you can follow me on Twitter where you can hear my ramblings about technology, augmented reality, and investment. And that's at Deborah McGargle. Oh, we love that. And okay, so it's f.ar.co, yes, oh, wonderful. We will definitely check that out, guys. And thank you so much, Deborah McGargle, for your time here. You're welcome. Thank you for having me. And thank you viewers for tuning in to JSA-TV Live here at Platform Congress. As always, guys, stay safe, stay green, and happy networking. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Depending on where you're logging in from today, it is JSA-TV Live from Platform Congress. This is the first full day of an exciting Congress where we're really gathering telecom and data center professionals, investors, energy specialists as they converge here in the South of France, Platform Congress. And of course, I'm Jamie Scaddo-Cutia. And I'm Barb Mitchell. And I had the opportunity to watch myself in person, our first few interviews of the day, where Jamie, tell us who you spoke with earlier. Very exciting morning thus far. We had Vincent Barrow. He's the Vice President of Secure Power from Schneider Electric. Schneider, huge sponsor, huge supporter of Platform Congress, and it's a inaugural year. And then also, we were joined by Terry Shemer Yu. He is the Vice President of Cloud and Service Providers in the IMEA. Also from Schneider, he was also our keynote speaker this morning, inspirational man, great interview there. And we just wrapped up with Deborah McGargle, the CEO of FAR, where she's doing extraordinary cutting edge technology, really talking web 3.0, augmented reality, and the metaverse. So captivating stuff here. Yeah, and we're not done, right? We still have several more people to speak with today. We're taking a little bit of a break here for lunch. It's lunchtime in the French Riviera at the moment. But starting up again around 2 o'clock, we'll be speaking with Lena Tayera from Orient Consulting, Guy Wilner from IX Africa. And our friend Nicola Hayes from the Platform Group, part of one of the organizers here, putting on this fantastic event. But also, she's also doing very important work as Associate Dean for the London South Bank University School of Business. So we're excited to speak with her and all of our speakers here today. Yeah, yeah. And we are also joining several of the speakers on a panel tomorrow for women in tech, as well as getting the ROI roadmap for getting to net zero carbon net zero. A big topic, of course, from our book called Greener Data. So so much activity, guys. We're talking sustainability. We're talking how to see the next level of digital transformation, how it impacts us. And we're talking energy. Energy is a big issue, not just here in Europe, but globally, of course. And where are the investment opportunities? So very active global audience. I'm really excited to be here on Platform Congress Floor live, chatting with y'all. Yeah, and we're so happy you could tune in to us live from wherever you are. It's obviously great to be here in person, but we're happy to invite you to tune in to our livestream as we talk to these people. And as Jamie said, what a fantastic event. We're only on day two and much, much more to come. And we look forward to sharing it with you all. And as always, guys, stay safe, stay green, and happy networking. Welcome to JSA TV Live, the newsroom for telecom and data center professionals. I'm Barb Mitchell coming to you today live from the beautiful French Riviera, where we're speaking today with investors, data center platform owners, energy specialists, all converging here at this first annual Platform Congress event. And joining me today, I have the pleasure of introducing to you, Lena Tayera, founder and CEO of Orient Consulting Services. Lena, it's a pleasure to have you. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself just as an introduction? Oh, hi. The pleasure is mine. I've actually set up my own company or in consulting services after having had a career as a television producer, actually, and working in market research and business intelligence, having met the chairman of Platform, Philip Blur, and he's opened this opportunity for me to collaborate with him on a platform that brings in for inclusivity in the TMT space. We felt in 2008, if you remember, there was a crash. And the only sector that was still working against the grain was really the telecom sector. And where specifically was the Middle East? A lot of the big telcos were loaded at the time, and they were looking to actually expand and invest elsewhere. So this is how I start being involved in the TMT sector and build up to this point where we're talking and the conversation has moved so much, because now we're talking about the future technology that's going to enable the metaverse. What's it going to be? Is it going to be cloud, or is it going to be edge, et cetera? So the whole set of conversation, the fundamentals are the same, is that we're talking about the infrastructure that's powering our digital future. And so the other dimension of this, I don't know if you want me to mention now, my own initiative. I created a publication called Let's Talk Tech. And this is a personal initiative, because I feel these conversations that we having here, which is amongst specialists and geeks and technicians, what have you, need to be expanded. We need to bring in people into this conversation wide in the debate, not only geographically, but also different cultures in different regions. And there's so much being talked about on that front here. As you said, a lot of people are coming back together for one of the first times really, since things closed down a couple of years ago. But it's sustainability. As you said, the metaverse, all the new trends in the industry are being discussed. And you mentioned your Let's Talk communication. Let's talk tech. It's a newsletter. It's supposed to be catchy. Yeah, yeah, let's talk tech. Tell us a little bit about what you're hoping to gain here from being at this event this week, from financial insights and more. Well, I have a practice that is a long-term practice to follow the information or the story, from the story maker, from the original source of it. And there is no better source for government or corporates than level C, so CEO level. And especially when you put them together in a third-party event. So they're not actually speaking a written word by their PR team, so some corporate communication. But they're actually sharing their insights and their knowledge. This has helped me grow a lot. It's helped me gain a lot of perspective from, but you have to be curious as well. You have to want to. And I would like to relate this passion for learning and this curiosity to other people by writing storytelling about technology and what's going on in technology, trying to interest people. So hopefully they will meet me halfway and be interested. Because for all our good, I think people who are designing and thinking about the technology and planning the future cannot do this in a myopic way on their own in some plush office or at home, whatever that may be. I think they will benefit from winding the bait and including a variety of people because it's the correct ethical thing to do. The future of this planet is we're sharing it. So it's for all of us to be knowledgeable about what they do. But also you want to make sure that if you like, the marketplace is knowledgeable enough so you don't face problems. And you have what I call informed adoption. So you're always going to buy your technology or use your product, et cetera, will be informed about it and will do so if you like responsibly to themselves, to the society, to the environment. And this at the same time, it has a third dimension. Sorry, I'm going to go on about this. But the other dimension, it will lessen the work for regulators because it's self-regulating. When people know about something, people have enough wisdom and intelligence to know how they will interact with it. And I think you mentioned a little bit about bringing different people to the table in this conversation. And that is a nice segue, I think, into talking about diversity, which has been a topic in our industry for quite some time now. But I know that tomorrow you're speaking on a panel. Actually, with Jamie, our founder and CEO is moderating a panel with you on the role of women in technology. Yeah, I'm very excited. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. So you want me to talk about what you think is what are the benefits of implementing that viewpoint? OK, well, I think about things in different ways. I'll try and introduce that thought. So we tend to look at the old fashioned way to look at the value of introducing something new as in KPI. But we're going to roast both of this because I think there is a new metric, if you like, in the corporate world, which is called ESG. So this is something that everyone will be looking at, your investor, your financier, the general public. And I hope that ESG is not going to be box-ticking. It's going to be a genuine conviction on behalf of a big organization that don't have diversity to rethink that and think how their performance can be better improved by having different perspectives from different cultures and different geographic location. I'll mention two examples for you, maybe to bring the idea closer. One is historic and one is very modern. So I'll take you from the days of Marco Polo. Yes, OK. So he started there. So he's traveled the world. And he actually, you know, he's the station with China. So he wanted to serve or work with Jenkins Han and we are very close to this man who controlled all these armies and who pretty much ruled the whole world at the time. What he did, he sent him on an expedition to go to different places and figure out how people do things to learn from them, OK? Now bring you back to current history. I've been watching some of the things I do when I don't have the chance to see CEOs face to face is actually to watch podcasts of CEOs. Sorry, I self-admitted podcast addict of CEO. Please continue to do them. So before I came, I've heard Elon Musk describe the sustainability of a company is its usefulness or it's not just perceived usefulness. How useful are you to society or to consumer or to a citizen? So he believes in, OK, you are useful to people. You will continue. You will be a useful company. This is pretty much ESG in a nutshell. So ESG is, I agree. I mean, it seems to be it's something that every single organization has a position on or is developing a position on, is thinking about how to advance their efforts towards this. And that's an important part of what's being discussed, I think, this week at this conference. Talk about some other tech innovation, specifically in the MENA district. And are there some things that you could highlight? Yes, there's a couple of trends maybe worth pointing here. One, it's at the highest level. There's a difference between the Western region developed economies and the developing major developing economies. So for example, in the GCC countries, Gulf Cooperation Council, it's the government that is driving the tech advancement and the growth, not the private sector. So eventually, they'll have to come on board. And so would the general population, because you can't, we're saying in Arabic, one hand doesn't clap, right? So you need everyone on board. But I'm talking who's driving, who's leading. Whereas here, you see, all of this is a private sector. They're driving all the innovation. And the government is way behind. So this is the one trend. There's a lot of funds, and especially that this year has been a good year. I mean, Saudi Arabia is the fastest growing economy this year. It's faster than Asia, than the G7, and other major emerging economies. And they're very dedicated in investing heavily into innovation. The old money is in the sovereign wealth funds in the Middle East. So watch out for mergers and acquisitions. They'll be looking to expand, if you like, their capabilities within the tech sector. And it's going to be very competitive, because there are a few potential unicorns, and everybody wants them, right? So that's the trend on the one side. On the other hand, I think the region itself, we have our own innovation. I consider myself from the Middle East. So I'm an Arab person who's lived in London forever. So I would say we. So yeah, there is innovation that is happening in the ecosystem. I'll give you one example now. But they're not very good at communicating about it. It's back to that kind of weakness, a weak spot of communication. People don't know what other person is doing. So you don't know what the left hand was, nor the right hand is doing. But I think in the blockchain and crypto space, one emirate is driving forward with just Dubai. So there's a lot of people who are working in the crypto Bitcoin Web 3 metaverse and what have you. This whole ecosystem, they're finding it very attractive. There are incentives to get set up in Dubai. I mean, this is the generation of innovators. They're creating the next groundbreaking usage of the blockchain. Because at the moment, the blockchain is still interconnected with crypto and Bitcoin. But there are much wider usage for it. And once you've got this system is established there, and it's kind of slightly, they will have to figure out. I mean, they have regulations and incentives in place. But it's interesting for us to see what mistakes are made, what we can learn from that. And there's so many applications that are yet untapped. We were actually just speaking of that this morning, that you can't have crypto without blockchain, but you can have blockchain without crypto. And in fact, there's so many applications that are still being discovered and still being explored. Exactly. So we're a benefit. Exactly. We're talking about just creating communities and the ecosystem. I think that's the way forward, going forward. And collaborations. Lisa, I leave you with these my pet love words to the civilization. We all want a better world, but maybe he's quite defined it. So let's just end with one final question. And I think because as we start to think of the future, and I think that it may be nice just to highlight a couple of things. I know you're leading a panel tomorrow on the future of NEOM. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Just a couple of key points. NEOM was today, and I can give you a little... I think we had a very nice insight because not everyone knows what NEOM is, but we just figured out what was... We just had a little conversation about it. Yeah, it's interesting. What was the name about? New Future. So we had today a man who is helping create the infrastructure that's going to power up this future. So what you hear from now and again, you will have articles about NEOM and the line and AUGSAGON and this and that. But how are you going to power all this up? So there are people already thinking about the digital infrastructure that will enable this dream, right? So this is kind of moving from a smart city to a cognitive city. To move to a cognitive city, you're going to have to, if you like, analyze a lot of data. It's a lot of work to be done. There's a lot of work to do. So we've had those insights from NEOM, but we also heard from them call to partners and they're trying to attract... They know they can't do this alone. Nobody can. The future to be created is going to be a collective thing. A collaborative. Collaborative. My favorite word. Yeah, so they called for people to come and work with us. And it was very interesting. I think they're breaking the ground of the new, the first data center, which will be massive, but there are more in the pipeline. And data center is a high capital business. There's a whole ecosystem connected with it, including financier and investor real estate. You've seen the kind of people... Yeah, everyone that's here, they're all part of it. This is what was amazing. All part of making it collective. That's what's what is amazing is sometimes you go to events and you hear one thing, but today we've had... We've been walked around every corner. The whole picture, yeah. Well, this has been really interesting. Where can we send our viewers who want to connect with you or learn more about all these great insights that you can share? Oh, my LinkedIn profile. I have to admit I am behind to develop... I want to develop much more platforms. But please bear with me until I do. At the moment, I'm finding it I have enough time and bandwidth just to maintain a presence on LinkedIn. I need maybe more support to develop this initiative of mine. So anybody who can support my initiative, let's talk. Please contact me. I'm on LinkedIn. Yeah, we'll put it up on the screen for you here. And thank you again so much for tuning in to JSATV Live as we stream today from Platform Congress in Antibes, in the French Riviera. Happy networking. Welcome to JSATV Live, the newsroom for telecom and data center professionals. I'm Barb Mitchell coming to you today from Platform Congress in the beautiful French Riviera where we're speaking with investors, data center platform owners and energy specialists. Joining me today, I'm very pleased to introduce you to Voucher Van Hulten, CEO of PAX Data Centers. Voucher, thank you so much for joining us. We just started having such a great conversation this morning and we thought, let's get everyone else to be part of this conversation. So pleased to have you here. Tell us a little bit about PAX Data Centers, if you could. Hey, yes, Barb, that's great. It's great to be here. And I'm happy to talk about the PAX Data Centers. That's a pan African internet exchange data centers where we design, build and operate cloud and carrier neutral data centers. And we are active on the African continent. Currently we have a presence in two countries and we have a pipeline of five more countries where we will be deploying the latest and greatest data center technology to host the equipment from our customers. And so the clients that we serve are both from the African continent and international and we provide them with the latest services as you can expect on other continents. And I understand from speaking with you earlier, things are busy for you. We're able to take the time out to come here to join Platform Congress. I mean, it's in on Teams, so maybe not a hard sell, but it's a nice location, but also a very impressive Congress event, very good conversations here. What are you hoping most to take away from this week's sessions? Now, so the organizers of this conference, the platform team have done an amazing job in bringing some of the experts together on the industry. And it's always good to catch up on the latest developments, what is going on and what are the changes taking place and to exchange views with colleagues from the industry. And so we just had today a discussion with some of the other players and actors that are present on the African continent. And it's really exciting to see that it's an investable proposition. Investments are being made in all the different elements of the industry. So that's in telecoms, in fiber, and also in the data centers themselves. And so we're one of the actors on the continent and making contribution there and actually doing great business. Yeah, it was so interesting when we were speaking earlier just to hear the rapid change, transformation really that's happening in the African data center landscape. Can you talk a little bit about sort of where things have come from in just such a short amount of time and where they're going? Yes, so to trace back this a little bit, so it started in some conversations in 2014 and 15 when some of our customers asked us to come and assist them in Africa on African continent. And that's when we decided to take a look and we really came to the observation that while there's some of this know-how that we have in our industry needs to be taken there and actually then we can set up local businesses in the many African markets which can then run the same data center services that we have in Europe. I've been in part of this industry for more than 20 years. Yes, and so that started a journey then to set up a data center business and now we're operational in Ghana and in Kenya. Well, yeah, and I can only imagine the one of the challenges. I mean, there's so many things you're busy and needing to pull together from investors to infrastructure and all of that, but the talent to bring this to life is a challenge of its own. And how have you been addressing that? Well, that's one of the most fantastic aspects of Africa that the amount of talent that's available and that's in the countries around Africa is enormous and tremendous and it's a pleasure to work with. Of course, you need to find them and but they're there and so we're building local teams in all the markets where we go and we train them on and make them part of our business and they become the local managers of our data center operations. Yeah, so two countries in operation now and five more coming soon. Yeah, and of course it's a large continent, 54 countries with the opportunities across the other continent, but the talent is everywhere. Yeah, it's hard to fathom just the size and the scale and the opportunity that exists there. You know, we really appreciate you taking a few minutes out of what I'm sure is an extremely busy day for you. We appreciate hearing from you. Where can we send viewers who want to connect with you or learn more about your business? So for PECS, we've got our website, P-A-I-X.io. That's good to visit. So and what may also be of interest to the viewers if they want to have the bigger picture on Africa is that we have Africa data centers association of which I'm the secretary general and that has its offices in Abidjan and that's in Ivory Coast, West Africa. And yeah, we do a lot of promotional work and informational work about the state of the industry on the continent. And of course people are always free to reach out on LinkedIn. Fantastic. Thank you so much. Thank you for your time today. You can find PECS data centers on PECS.io and again on LinkedIn. Thank you for tuning in. We've been here with you live today from Antibes in the south of France at Platform Congress and we look forward to seeing you all again soon. Happy networking. Welcome to JSA TV, the newsroom for telecom and data center professionals. I'm Barb Mitchell coming to you today live from Platform Congress in Antibes in the beautiful French Riviera. Joining me today is Guy Wilner, chairman of IX Africa. Hi, Dan. Thank you for joining us. Pleasure. The event this week has been fantastic so far. We're on the second day of this inaugural event where we're speaking with investors, data center platform owners and energy specialists as they all have come together in this fantastic location. What do you think of the event so far? Have you been able to meet with everyone you've hoped so far? Yeah, it's been far too interesting, unfortunately, to be able to escape and get outside in the sunshine, which is beaming down here, so it's kind of summer here still, but we're all stuck here because there's a lot to talk about. Yeah, there is, isn't there? And let's just, I guess, get right into it then, right? I know that IX Africa is developing East Africa's largest hyper-cloud ready campus on 4.3 acre site in Nairobi. That's correct, yeah. Tell us about that. It's a big, big effort. I like doing crazy projects. I think I've been doing emerging markets for many years because I set up IX Europe originally back in 99 and we built that out and sold it to Equinix in 2007. So Equinix Europe was kind of our little baby, which a lot of people are still there from that old company. And after that I started getting involved in a number of emerging markets projects, such as Tarako in South Africa. And during that journey, we started looking at Kenya. So I've been looking at it for a few years now. The growth in that whole area has been phenomenal, hasn't it? Yeah, I mean, I think finally, Africa's getting into the spotlight. Yeah, a lot of investors interested in the area, a lot of new development, I think. And energy is a big point of conversation when it comes to it. Yeah, that's a new thing for Africa, I think. Given the whole sort of energy crisis we've got in Europe at the moment and the price of electricity, there are some countries around the world where actually it's more stable. So ironically, you might get people building in places like Kenya because it's perceived to be more stable long-term than some countries in Europe. Yeah, interesting. And Kenya has 75% renewable energy. I mean, there's always a secret behind all of this. Kenya doesn't use much energy. If you look at Nairobi, it's 1,700 meters altitude. So it's about 24 degrees all year round. In the winter it's about 12, 14 and in the summer it might be 26. So you don't really need air conditioning, you don't need much heating. You might not even need hot water. And it's a new young economy, so there's not so many cars. So actually, if you put in 300 megawatts of geothermal energy into the grid, that moves the needle. That's quite a significant chunk of power. If you put that same chunk in, say, Germany or France, you wouldn't even notice it. So as a result, each new green energy project in Kenya really makes a difference to the total mix. So that's why we're at 75%. It's hydro, geothermal in the Rift Valley and wind power in the Yungong Hills. So you've got a whole mixture of- Putting the environment to work to your benefit, right? Yeah, it's really great. Yeah, that's great. So to leverage that, I mean, it's a lot of benefits there. And what about here at the event? Have you been talking to any energy specialists in particular? What are people saying? Yeah, I mean, I think I'm interested to see what new moves are going on in terms of the power and cooling of data centers and how you can future-proof them. We really got to be careful. I've been building data centers for 20 years now. So what you don't want is to have a data center that after five years, you have to rebuild again because things have changed. So I'm here to sort of understand what the state of the art is. But it really depends on the country. I think you really have to have to look at each country individually. So when you look ahead in Africa and the development of digital infrastructure beyond where you are now, what are some of the trends that you're seeing? Well, I mean, as one of the conference people said today, Africa's got 1% of the global data center market at the moment. It's got 17% of the world's population and it's 4% of the GDP of the planet. So as that 4% increases, that 1% is going to increase an awful lot. So it's really very, very, you know, only about two years ago, I think there was more data center capacity in Luxembourg, which is half a million population than the whole of the African continent. So there's a lot to build. Yeah, a lot of catching up to do. A lot of catching up and it's difficult for investors to find teams that they can actually invest in. That's one of the problems we've got at the moment. Is that right? Finding local talent? Yeah, not enough talent on the ground yet. That's changing, but it's changing. And so what's being done to change that? Is it? It's a catalyst. You know, as we build our Kenya data center, as other people build data centers in Ghana and Nigeria or wherever in South Africa, you're getting more and more people design companies, construction companies, you know, employees, marketing, whatever, learning about the market. They may leave and form their own companies so you get this sort of virtuous circle creating. Right, right. It's a bit of an awareness, first of all, right, of the opportunity and everything that can be done there. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Well, this has been really interesting. I've really enjoyed speaking with you and where can our viewers go to learn a little bit more? So they can go and see ixafrica.co.ke, which is Kenya, and take a look at what we're doing there or they can look on LinkedIn. So search for me, Guy Wilner on LinkedIn and I'm always posting something. Yeah, okay, perfect. We will all look for you online on the website and thank you. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you viewers for tuning in to JSA TV Live as we stream to you today live from Platform Congress in Antibes in the beautiful South of France. Thank you. Happy networking. Welcome to JSA TV, the newsroom for telecom and data center professionals. I'm Barb Mitchell coming to you today live from Platform Congress in Antibes in the beautiful South of France. Joining me today is Olivier Lavais, founder and CEO of CAPTC. Welcome. Thank you, Baba. Thank you so much for joining us. And we're joined today at Platform Congress. We're speaking with investors and data center, platform owners, energy specialists, all converging at this first annual conference here in Antibes and I'm happy to be speaking with you today, Olivier. And could you just tell us a little bit first of all, just for our viewers about CAPTC? Sure. So CAPTC was created in 2015. I associated with French engineering, Capa Gélèque, which is a leading engineering in critical infrastructure and technical building in France. And our target was to create in social Europe and Africa, mostly French-speaking Africa where you do not have a lot of skills in data center engineering, a company able to support and help all the co-location companies that will come. They're already here in social Europe and will come very quick now in French-speaking Africa. So we have designed and built 1,500 data center, of which 17 in Africa, 70 only, but it's only the beginning. It's a large collection, yeah. But I understand that's not all for you. Not only are you so heavily involved in all this great expansion and development in the data center space, but also you're supporting a lot of investments, aren't you, with some startup data center companies? We start because for sure in CAPTC, as in the industry, I would say, we are trying and do our best to minimize the energy impact with the data center. And I think that all the data center industry is doing a great job. But now we are at the ceiling. It's now very difficult to improve. In France, you build for a PUE of 1.2, 1.3, you cannot do less. And so now you have to find new breakthrough ID innovation to find a way to make it better in order to support the IT growth. So for sure in France, we have a lot of startup. The government helped the startup for now five years to grow as soon as possible. And it's time for me to advise this kind of company to accelerate and go in this data center business. Right. So you've gathered all sorts of knowledge and expertise and now you're giving it back. Yeah, yeah, a network and things like that because what is new is always difficult to collect. So for instance, I have been investing in 2015 in Karno computing, which is a famous startup that decided that it's difficult to fight fatal heat in a classic data center building. Better to say, the IT is fatal. And let's put the IT where you need heat. So the innovation was to put computing inside heater in the building. And each time the heat is on in a building, it's thanks to calculation. And for instance, just for the story, the last movie, The Minion 2 was completely, there is a design render because you need a lot of calculation to make these kinds of movies. All was performed on Karno heater. So it's carbon free because what you use as IT energy to deliver this movie was only used to heat people, which is, I would say, a primary need. So I try and work on this kind of innovation. And in France, today, you have a lot, a lot of startup that are trying and breaks through the situation to avoid this huge energy consumption from the IT. It's so important. It's so great that you're supporting these new data center developments as they're growing there or as they're beginning. It's very important. And across our industry, I mean, we recently actually were part of publishing a book called Greener Data. You may be familiar with it, but it's I will read it very soon. Yes, you should read it. It's very interesting to hear. In the same vein as what you're saying is a lot of people have different ideas and expertise that they can bring to help move things forward. So it's very important work that you're doing. And so tell us a little bit about this event, Platform Congress. How have you, we're in day two, have you been enjoying it so far? So we're just even not at the middle. So I'm still discovering this first event. What I feel is it's certainly different with other events. Let's technical more financing and business, which is also a very important part of the market. And I listen a lot of things regarding the way the economy of data center is moving ahead. This morning, I heard about tier three, tier four, tier five. So to say we understand that data center business will not be any more focused only on five or six big city with a lot of data center concentration, which is not sustainable anymore, by the way. So I think that there is no awareness about the fact that we will have now a localization of data center everywhere and not only, which was the trend for 10 or 15 years, not only in big concentration cities. So in a nutshell, we will maybe less take care about the latency. And between you and me, it's not so important. And we will more take care about where it is valuable to locate, localize the data center because you can recover the heat, the fatal heat, because it's easier to cool this data center instead of being as close as possible to the big network and backbone. Olivia, thank you so much for joining us today. There's so much I think we can learn from you. And I know that the industry is benefiting from your wisdom. So we're happy to have had a moment of that today here as well. Where can our viewers go to learn a little bit more? So you can have a look on our website, www.capdc.com. And for sure, personally on my LinkedIn, feel free if you want to discuss about data center innovation. That's definitely something I like. And I want to be part of it. Yeah, our viewers will connect with you. We will connect with you. And capdc.com is the website to check out. Thank you so much for joining us today. And thank you viewers for tuning in live to JSA TV as we broadcast to you here today from Antibes Platform Congress in the South of France. Happy networking. Hey, Dutess. Hey, there, everybody. Welcome to JSA TV Live. I'm Jamie Scott of Kataya. Live streaming here from the floor of Platform Congress in South of France, Antibes. Fabulous, Antibes. And with me, I'm joined by an old friend and JSA TV expert. Our Narendra Sen comes back for round two, round three at this point. Of course, Narendra, CEO of Rackbank Data Centers. Welcome back to JSA TV. Thank you so much. And I'm excited to coming back on the same platform. Yay, we're excited to have you. And for those of you guys who missed it, you must check it out. Our previous video all about what it takes to deploy data centers across India. Of course, speaking from the man who knows best. And this time, we're going to dive a little deeper here. We really want to get into first, who are the right target customers and what are the right locations in India that you see for the data center community? Yeah, thank you. I think it's a great question and everybody wants to know because India is coming up with the data protection law and there's a panic around the customers, around the globe, how, where we can go and get the data center capacity. So I think Mumbai is a preferred location for everyone to enter into India because it's the highest connected, you know, Mumbai is the highest connected through the submarine cables. So that's a primary choice, secondary is Chennai. But there are cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore and, you know, other cities in India where the population is such a large, close to 5 million to 50 million people live on those cities. So you can target wherever your target audience is. Yeah, so this is like sites which I'm talking about. Second, you can prefer if you're a gaming company or you've got applications that consume by Indian, you can check your locations and you can send it across to, you know, any data center operator in India, including us. So we can help you out to host in India. And, you know, you touched upon it but I really want to dig deeper here. What is the impact of the compliancy with the data sovereignty laws now hitting India? So compliancy is you have to have one copy in India, which is it's not like a GDPR where you just need some preferences to check. But here the government has come forward with one copy should be in India. It's a critical data, non-critical and personal data. They have categorized in three category. So what we believe that one, putting one copy, it means all social media companies, India's home market for them, like they got 500 million users in India. So they have to come to India and build their own data center or lease it with somebody else like us. So it's must. And you said the magic phrase there, 500 million users in India, which kind of leads us to our next question really. How do we optimize cost? That's a lot of users, it's a lot of dollars. What would you say from a data center perspective to optimize the cost there? Yeah, so compared to any country in the world, India, building a data center is low cost. Like you can build data that's four to $5 million per megawatt and it's cheaper than like here in France, the data center build cost in Europe is eight to $9 million per megawatt. And India is $4 million is half of the price because we have all the electrical mechanical components that build manufactured in India. The labor cost is cheap, the land cost is cheap if you avoid metro area, go 30 kilometers away and build your data center is $4 million. It's very less. And I would request like or give advice to the customer who want to come to India. If you want to come to India like Mumbai versus Pune, it's on only 200 kilometers away, but your cost reduced by 50%. So you just need to choose locations near to the hubs and you can reduce your cost. And everyone's talking about getting to the edge, getting to those end users eyeballs. Here we have the eyeballs and we have the reduced cost in operation. So pretty nice, nice little mix there. Okay. And obviously we've been obsessed with getting green. So I need to ask you what does it take to get more green, more carbon neutral in India data centers? Yeah. So Indian data center like as I know talked about in our previous discussion that the energy prices in India compared to grid versus solar is 30% cheaper. So adopting green is you don't need to pay premium for that number one. Number two, India's hot humid climate. You can use liquid cooling and reduce your cost further 90% like PUA is currently 1.6 to seven. You can reduce to 1.01. Really? Yeah. So it is very much easily available solution in India. So you can use that solution for liquid cooling. You can ask your data center operator. 1.01 PUA, sign us up. Absolutely. So for those who are I'm sure interested to learn more where can they go to find more on your company? Oh, absolutely. Website rachbank.com You'll get information. Find me on LinkedIn or anywhere. Just Google it. Narendra. You'll get it. Not Modi. Our Prime Minister name is Narendra Modi. That's right guys. Rackbank.com. Absolutely check it out. Narendra, our good friend. Thank you. It's always a pleasure having you in our hot seat on JSA TV. You do so well. Yeah. Thank you so much. And thank you viewers for tuning in to JSA TV live from Platform Congress. Thank you so much. Stay green and happy networking. Stay green. Welcome everybody to JSA TV live streaming here from Platform Congress in Antib. This is the live streaming newsroom for telecom and data center professionals. I'm Jamie Skado-Kataya. And I am so excited to be joined by my longtime friend Nikola Hayes, the non-executive director here at Platform Group as well as the associate dean of London Smith Bank University Business School. Oh gosh, I don't know how you managed to do that with so much energy then. Especially this time of the day. Thank you so much for having me. It's a delight to be here with a microphone in front of me with you once again after years of COVID and we're live in person. I know and I love what you said to us earlier today. It's like we've been all trapped in an airport just like suspended state for the past two years while we've been dealing with this pandemic. I thought it was such a great analogy. So welcome, welcome, welcome, officially back to JSA TV Live and congratulations on Platform Congress. This is amazing. Thank you so much. We're very, very, very pleased with how it's gone. Couldn't ask for more really with an inaugural first run event. The atmosphere is fabulous and it's just delightful to see so many happy faces. Can you give our viewers a little bit of background? How did you guys dream this up? Oh, of course. As most people certainly within Europe will know the team behind Platform have been involved in this industry for many, many years, over 20 years now and have been responsible for some of the most successful events in the world and certainly in Europe. But what we realized, certainly, you know, COVID was dreadful but it gives you time to reflect and to think when you can't see people anymore and it was, what are we missing? Are there too many industry events already because that is something that, you know, some people do think and we realized that the larger events are fantastic and the networking opportunities wonderful but we've moved away from that really, really important key piece, which is the content. And I think now more than ever in post COVID and with the way world economies are going with everything that's going on politically we need to actually have a platform to be able to share ideas and collaborate and to be able to learn from each other once again. So it was about bringing it all back to that content piece with high level, very, very knowledgeable people in their areas so that we can learn together once again. Yes, and not infomercials, but actual quality content from the real thought leaders, innovators of our infrastructure industry. I am in love with Platform Congress I must say and there's a certain energy on this floor. I mean, it really is just exciting to be in this room and to soak up this energy. How do you describe the energy of this year's Platform Congress? Gina, and I think some of it being a smaller event again, there's a real benefit to that because people get to talk to each other, you can find people. I think the content, the fact that those panel sessions certainly that we had this morning, the keynotes that we've had are so interesting and so full of really rich content that everybody is just really enjoying it. They're seeing people they might not have seen for quite some time face to face. The place that we're holding it in on Teeb is the vibe of the town itself I think is then mirroring itself in the vibe of the conference of a whole. We are so, so, so happy that people have supported us this year, JSA, obviously, our sponsors taking a leap of faith for a first-run event and of course our speakers, very, very senior, very, very busy professionals that have taken time out to come and speak for us because without them we wouldn't have the event that we have. Yeah, yeah, and you're right. Having Teeb as a backdrop to this conference is really, there's unquestionable energy and we mentioned content and great speakers. Tell us a little bit more about the key takeaways that you're hoping some of these attendees are walking away with. Oh gosh, how long have you got? I could be here all day. I've learned so much as well. I mean, the key takeaways are that we're in a really interesting space. You know how long I've been in this industry and it tends to, it ticks over but because of the wider geopolitical issues all of a sudden things like investment, things like the fact that it is much more expensive to get hold of funding. The risk, the capital funding, decisions need to be made. Whereas for the last sort of five, six, seven years money has just been thrown into it because let's face it, it was very cheap to get money from whichever form of investment. We're not in that environment anymore and so I think we're gonna see a huge shakeup in terms of where that investment goes and certainly from some of the smaller newer operators coming in, it's going to be a little bit more difficult and a lot more planning needing to go into it. The Africa presentation, the opportunities that are there, the things that are happening on the hyperscale, the investment in infrastructure at the ground level, in the networks, in the cables. All of that is again, you can read these things but when you're hearing it live on a stage and getting that insider information from people that know this stuff inside out is just joyful. We've got two fantastic panels tomorrow, obviously. One being chaired by Jamie, which is women in data centers and then the other that I'm chairing which is diversity and inclusivity in the industry. So I'm looking forward to those now as well. But I'd like to let all the viewers know that this isn't going to be a one-off. We are already planning for next year's which is going to be bigger and better with more streams of content going on so we can widen it out into more of the whole infrastructure piece as well as looking at some of the operational side as well as finance. And that's going to be being held back here in Antib from the 2nd to the 4th of September 2023. And we've also got an event being held in Marrakesh that looks specifically at Africa because it is such an exciting space in June next year. So we hope to see you back there with us again. Oh, that is so exciting and I'll tell you the international discussions have been exhilarating. Hearing from the African thought leaders on how they're really pushing their infrastructure to the next level. Hearing from, of course, so many Europeans here today, us Americans representing, literally every corner of the world so well represented. And now to hear this exciting news that you guys are just getting started. Congratulations, these days are exciting. Thank you. And I feel like this is just breaking news really. Absolutely. It's the press release hasn't even gone out yet. So you are that this is the first to hear. As always on JSA TV, the first with the up to minute news. Love it, love it, love it. And I should say too that you've just been so involved in producing some of the top regarding industry events throughout your career. We mentioned that earlier. But how have you seen that these events have evolved over the years? What direction do you see them moving in the future? Do you know? And I was thinking about, I was chatting to somebody earlier about this because I organise the programme for the first ever event in this space in 2000 in London and then in 2001 in San Francisco. The first ever events on data centres in the world. In many ways, do you know we haven't moved in a good way. We still have that there. But I do think that sometimes some of the events become almost a victim of their own success because they become so large. They're fabulous in terms of the networking. They're great fun. But we do lose sight of that content piece. And I think going forward, we're going to see a lot more specialised events, whether it's on towers or whether it's on switches and gears. You know, whether it's on the actual cable side of things that are more focused rather than really large, large events, more focused on that content, more niche. And do you know what better developed in terms of giving inside valuable knowledge that people can take into their own businesses? Nick, from us, to you, from my heart, to yours, thank you so much for all that you've done for this industry. Thank you. And back at you. You have literally educated us for decades and provided platforms like this for us to network and grow together and collaborate. And it's been a joy knowing you all these years. So much love. So let's hope in 20 years time we'll still start here doing this. Absolutely. Where else are we going to be? Let's be honest. Absolutely. Why not, Auntie? All right. So where can our viewers go to learn more about this fabulous event? Go to the Platform Markets Group website. We're on LinkedIn, very active on LinkedIn. You might have seen lots of things coming out there today, including the live TV streaming. But it's www.platformmarketsgroup.com. Yes, there you guys have it. Thank you so much, Nick, for your time, as always so generous. And thank you viewers for tuning in to JSA TV Live here from Auntie Platform Congress. Thank you very much. Happy networking, everybody.