 March 21st, Raily scheduled slack word meeting to order. To my left is Justin Lawrence, Flo Smith. To my right is Jeremy Hansen and our town administrator Dana Hadley. Who is also Diane Isabella, our town treasurer. Additions of changes to the agenda, Dana. I do have a few changes, Brad. I would like to remove the appointment with the police chief from the agenda. We'll put that on in a later time. He won't be getting a report on the department this evening. And I have a few additions that I would like to add. I'd like to add approval of three special event permits. I'm expecting Jeff Besscott to come in to talk to you about that. I would like to add a resolution to support of application to sewer services on cross town roads. I would like to add a discussion on the heating system at the town garage. I would like to ask that the liquor commission convenes. Thank you, that's good. Okay, public comment. Hearing none, treasurer's report, Dana. Okay, I provide the select board to just sign this report, trial balance and delinquent tax reports. And then I did want to talk about a grant that received for the mirror lake culvert project. Yep, that was something that was finally completed at this point. The town between FY18 and FY19 invested $229,747.80 in this project, of which we have $175,000 grant, which I received last week. So that leaves a town of $54,747.80 at what we have to pay for ourselves. The next project that we have is the, we're just a road culvert. And to date, we spent $5,115.20 on that. Just want to make you aware of that. Let's take you still going. Yep. Carla. See, we're putting these off. Dana, I actually don't have the resolution. You have the resolution, all right? I do. So, if you recall, first of all, I should announce that the Brello Town Plan was announced town plan of the year by the Vermont Plan Association. They're just excited. They're also having a reception on, what was it? The 11th? The 11th at the State House. I think it's a capital problem. Oh, is it? Okay. Dude, someone should go accept the award. I don't know if that's going to be you or... Well, I'm planning to go, but I was going to send the invitation to the board as well. So, anyway, as far as in the town plan, if you recall, we had designated two village potential village-centered designations and the town-centered designations. And the two village-centered designations are actively being pursued at this point. They're fairly straightforward and simple processes. It's very different from the town-centered designations. Benefits are mainly that you're eligible for your priority funding, grant funding, priority... You have to use the priority and certain grant funding opportunities, et cetera, et cetera. So, Tom has been working with, what's his name? I'm from Northfield. Anyway, there's a champion there working on the one for the Riverton area. And they are hoping to put it forward. So there's a resolution, I believe, is it for both of them? This one is just for the Riverton. Okay. Because I think that one is the quickest, that is the one that's... Oh, I'm sorry, it's both. Oh, it is both. Oh, okay. And I think, Tom, are you speaking... Is the other one? They're speaking on the part of the other one. Yeah, the other one is for this district here, the sort of the Berlin corner district. And so, basically the work now really is drawing the boundaries, what gets included and what doesn't. The biggest incentives are tax credits for improvements in the districts. It doesn't have to be a commercial property. To get the improvements, but if you look at... I can leave this for you folks to be like. This shows like Hardwick, how, you know, a lot of the Hardwick... They have this. Okay. Which outlined a lot of that. Yeah, I mean, a lot of the work that's done in Hardwick has been through the tax credits. That's created a lot of incentives for people to refurbish the buildings. And I know what I think Riverton area is probably a little bit more likely to see sort of the next use, maybe commercial stuff. I think up here it's more the idea of getting sewer, you know, getting application for getting infrastructure to serve the residents is here. But we support the designations and we'd like you to, we need a resolution to select for it to go with the application. Supporting that, those designations. Okay. So that's why I'm here. So are there any historical buildings that you know of on either side that would be eligible for these like preservation grants or anything? I don't know. And again, they're drawing districts, or I think they've already worked out the boundaries of the one in Riverton. And they've met with the center not planning commission, because it has to have civic buildings in it in order to sort of qualify. And so they had to draw the boundaries in certain ways. But it looks like, I mean, the man that's in charge of the program came in that with us. This is his PowerPoint. And he essentially works with you so that when you put the application in it, as I understand it, he doesn't, it's sort of, it's ready to go. And there's really no, the approval process is pretty straightforward with this particular one. So he's been working with Tom on how to develop the Riverton one. This is just the designation. Yes. Is that right? Yes. So you would, I mean, this is the first step. If a property owner were interested and within that district. Yes, and maybe that directly with the state. The town doesn't have any involvement in that. It's all direct relationship for anybody that is actually interested in taking advantage of the tax credits. The town though is eligible for funding based on those designations. And it also allows you to do a neighborhood designation around it, which can have some benefits for housing development. There's like a half acre circle you can draw around these designations. And there's permitting benefits to having those designations. We had intended to do that on the town center. I'm not sure about the village center, but I think Tom has talked about it. Do you see a downside, any downside on that other than the town has to do bookkeeping? There's really, you know, for the branch of me. I mean, you know. Yeah, if you get money, you have to take the bookkeeping, but yeah. No, there really is no downside. And it may, nothing may happen because it's really up to the individual landowners to take advantage of the opportunities, except for with infrastructure where the town I think can take advantage of some of those grant funding opportunities or planning type grants and things like that. Do you know if the Berlin Corners map extends down Crosstown where we're talking about possibly extending sewer lines? We haven't drawn that yet, but I think that's part of the purpose is. I don't think so. I think that's the Berlin Corners project. But okay, did I say a Riverton? No, you said Berlin Corners. Sorry, I understand that. The Berlin Corners, yeah. So I mean, it encompasses this building presumably and the roads here. The ends will be yes then. Okay, so that's encouraging then. It looks like in the ANR drinking water state revolting loan fund, will we get extra points then going into those? Yeah. So I think I really think it's only a benefit and the work is minimal. So the cost, there's really no cost to it to us in terms of getting those done. So I think there's really no downside for us. So I'm gonna move that we approve the resolution as presented with my name correctly spelled at the bottom. I'll have to speak for this. Mr. Tom. Any further discussion? Here's nothing, those in favor? I've got one question. Oh, sure thing, Tom. If you can. Now the village, first of all, it gives us five points on our sewer. Application, application, yeah. Do I understand the right that you can have commercial in one of the structures as long as the resident lives upstairs, is that part of the criteria for village? I don't, I'm not sure the resident has to live there. I just know that you can only get the tax credits for some sort of a commercial purpose. It can't be just to a historic home renovation if the homeowners, it's just a resident. But you can't get the tax credits for that because the idea is to build vibrancy and the economic development within these designations. So, but I'm not, so I wouldn't think you'd have to live in it. I didn't get that impression from the app from when I got the email. Do you have this, Tom? This has a breakdown of all of the benefits of the village centers, yeah, that's it, just look. Oh, no, that is, that is different. I don't know if this is the same, but you can have that as well. Well, I think, I guess my question was it, I actually, it's too bad Tom's in here because I asked the question. This historic residential area would, commercially or professional offices would go just like that without, as you know, without, I think you know, without, you know, some kind of town zoning control. I really believe it will, it's just too close to everything else. And the residents are always, as you know, really concerned about that. And when I brought that up with Tom, he said that the village center designation does allow commercial, which I think is okay, but it had to be, it's limited to be, the person had to live in the building or live upstairs. I can't speak to that, but what I can speak to is it doesn't change the underlying zoning. So the district has still zoned what it's zoned in terms of the town. So I'm not sure if he was talking about. So maybe you're talking about the zoning. Is that as, that's a present zoning. We just ask that it allows commercial for chat to live upstairs. Well, it allows, it's more of a residential area. So it's not. More like a home occupation. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So I think maybe that's what he was speaking to. Yeah, okay. But honestly that was my, one of my hesitations that I wasn't sure about this area, but I think the fact that it allows for some of that infrastructure, the grants, I think it's, it's. No, I'm comfortable with it. I have to talk to Tom. I just, I may have got his explanation. He's more, he's not with the, like I said, he's not with CVRPC and he's much more on exactly what's going on. So his answer to the, to the point is, He's probably more accurate than me. His answer to me when I asked about the Goldie Center, he's probably talking about the zoning. Yes, yes, because that still applies. Yeah. Any other questions? All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed, motion carries. Can I ask one more thing? Sure. So in regards to the town center designation, I just wanted to, to ask for the possibility of some funding. We, the mall, I'm not sure what's going on with the mall, but they are no longer have a consultant that's doing the application. And I don't know if Dana has had any conversations with the mall owners, but I'm a little concerned because the momentum was really there for getting the town center designation. Now we have the town plan, we have the zoning, which we worked very hard to put through so that we could prepare for the town center designation. And now I'm afraid the momentum might be lost. And we have Brandy, the consultant who did the zoning and the town plan who's willing to do the work for the town center application. And I think we've got some money, Tom's wrangled some money together. But what I was going to request was the possibility of allocating the $14,000, I think it was $14,675 application fee that the 99 unit building paid to allocate that to the town center sort of fund to pursue that designation. I know you probably can't decide now, but I just wanted to- I was going to report that in my report a little bit on the town, and but since we're talking about it, we gross budget, and it makes it very, I mean, in other words, even though it's coming in as a revenue, we can't necessarily spend that money because it hasn't been approved by the town. The town has approved us to spend X. Could we spend that money? Yes, but we would have to be sure we didn't spend somewhere else so that we wouldn't go over as the bottom line. And I told Tom that I would think about how maybe we could- Will you put me up for this? We could. Well, Tom has very high-heizureism as I tell him all the time that I don't mind saying it in public. You have to go by the laws, Tom. That's right. I know it's not on the agenda, but I just forget to throw it out here just because I really, really don't want to lose what- But I think we're on the same team. Yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. And the good news is that that application has happened and that they're pursuing some other opportunities over there, I think at this time. So I think I'm just hoping that if the mall pulled out, we would just be- Well, and I'm having, I had a very good conversation with Ken from the mall yesterday. Oh, good, okay. And he's very interested in it as well as other Indian parties, so we'll keep you, don't worry. We'll talk. That's great. All right, thank you, folks. Thank you, Tom. Fred, maybe you want to do the other one, the resolution to support the application of social services since Rob and Tom are here. And that was, it helped me with this because I've just found out about this. This is basically, you're looking for the board to support application for a grant for a sewer line extension and the public works board is on board with it. Yes. If a grant is obtained, the project would go forward. If not, maybe not. Maybe not. Is that right? Probably not. Tom has prepared a resolution for that. Sorry, you didn't get a chance to see it. And Jeremy, if you want, I can have a redo your name and we can re-sign another one. Just meeting session. Well, I'm sorry. Dana, you could pass that around if you want. Right, that's what Tom had given me back. Yes. I didn't know he needed more copies. Yeah, so did you need this back? Well, I got it from Tom. Do you need a back to home? No, I don't. Okay, so that's what this is asking for. Just the support of the board to apply for this grant and so if you're interested in having a motion. Is this what we're approving? I haven't seen it. No, you haven't seen it. I just got it, so I've got that. So I can give you a little quick background. Yeah. It'd be helpful. Tom found out that the Northern Border Regional Commission has something like $20 million or something to spend in this area. A lot of them are big projects, phyproptics, that kind of stuff. Infrastructures such as sewer lines, water lines are also eligible. It's a 50% match by the town. It's on a reimbursable, oh, I should tell you I went to the meeting yesterday, so this is all really current. They held a meeting over at the Chamber of Commerce and I went to and Tom had another commitment and didn't go, but the town has to give the Northern Border Commission a letter of intent by the 29th of this month, so that's not much time at all. So I know Tom has prepared this. He's also prepared a one-sheet description of the project, 3,000 feet of sewer and pump station, roughly in how much money we're asking for, which was about $167,000, I've kind of forgotten. Not a lot of money compared to some of the projects that the applications are, but it has got, I think it's got a doggone good chance. As you know, the municipal, all of the residents, there's like nine of them, nine of us, three more that we haven't talked to, they all would like starting with Wayne Lamberton and then the Pludes and then the Greer Synthons on down. They all have the same kind of onsite systems. Some of the systems are, you know, wetlands. They're all pretty marginal. If you look at Rob's old soil maps, you'll find it's pretty shallow and a hard pan. Of course, none of them are failing, right? But, oh no. Mine works, mine works. Mine works too. But we talked about and did a study, the sewer commission had burnished in that year or two a while ago, do a preliminary engineering how much it would cost. And it was well beyond what the residents could support. And they didn't feel comfortable setting a precedent by, you know, the sewer commission having the town pay a sewer line extension, because then you'll have them all over the place as I understand the issue. So then it was far beyond what an individual home, a home just, they're just gonna sell their house with their septic system as is, you know, and the problem will ever get fixed. So this grant, I think we have a dog on good chance. The village designation really helps, gives us five extra points as they grade the project. So I'm pretty relatively confident that our application will be viewed favorable. The match can be volunteers time, I keep track of my time, what's the time I spent at the meeting, I don't know if it's eligible or not. I asked him if the Bernie Shannett study was eligible, it's already been paid for. And they thought, they didn't really know, but they thought it might be. I asked them if the borings we did for the water line could somehow be used for match, because you'd need borings for the sewer line. If the town uses stone or town equipment, that's all eligible for match. So it's a pretty liberal match requirement. So the letter intent has to be in by next Friday, and then the application, the town application that we haven't filled out yet, just spent a day since they briefed us on it, I think is due in, I wanna say July. It's July, yeah. July, so we have some time to fill out that application. And this was not previously eligible, this is not money that was available to us here, the last Farm Bill actually took this pot of money that was only available at the kingdom and sort of the border region, so the Northern Borders. And the Farm Bill changed the designation of what it meant to be the Northern Borders to be all of Vermont now. So now all of Vermont can go apply for this, this pool of, this rather large pool of $20 million. And I know like CV Fiber, we're looking at that too. And we're actually, I have a meeting with USDA Rural Development, because they're sort of working with us and some other folks doing the same thing. Kind of, yeah, we're gonna be asking for a rather larger piece of that. Yeah, it's interesting that the briefing yesterday, they were saying that a lot of the grants are large, large grants, and there was probably, I think Montpelier had like three projects in River Park, and there were a lot, I would guess maybe 20 or 25 people applying. And so a lot of them were big, and Tim Turney from the AEC Development Community Affairs was saying that they do like small infrastructure projects because there's a $5 million, $5 million project here, would take $130,000 and apply it to some of the smaller ones, even if they didn't, even if the smaller ones didn't rank high under criteria list. So I think it's a good bet, and I encourage the town to apply for the grant and send a notice and intent to fill out the application, if you agree. So I move that we sign the letter of intent for the Northern Borders grant for the sewer extension. I second it. Any further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries? Not yet, but. Okay, thank you. It's like change in our timeline, I don't think, but that's okay. The water's done, so I figured I had to start working on the sewer. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Appreciate your time. Okay, approval of licenses, permits, vouchers, and applications. I am getting to the end of this. I am actually doing something here. I'm sorry. Feverously. Thank you very much. I move that we approve general fund that counts payable warrant number 19 of G19 with checks 18958 through 19012 in the amount of 87,586 dollars and 45 cents. Also, Northfield Savings Bank warrant number 17 in the amount of $5,970 and 53 cents. Also, payroll warrant number 19-19 for payroll from March 3rd, 2019 through March 16th, 2019 in the amount of $42539.97 and also the February General Journal and Tax Admin Entries. Here. Any further discussion? Everybody's reviewed the bills. Bill's in favor? Aye. Bill's opposed? Motion carries. Brad, maybe the next with the special event permit, Jeff Dress, got it. Okay, special event permits. We have received an application for three special event permits and these are events that have happened in the past several years probably. Yeah, I see some new faces so I could give a quick overview of our events. Central Vermont Runners is a non-profit volunteer organization. We promote health and fitness in Central Vermont through running and running related activities. We produce a number of races open to the public throughout the year. Three of them have impact on the town of Berlin. The Paul Millman 10-Miler, this will be the 45th year for this event. The Capitol City Stampede, it'll be the 42nd year for that event. And then Berlin Pond, the vet, we lost count, but it's 40 something. So the Paul Millman 10-Miler is a 10-mile race on April 27th, which is a Saturday morning. The start and finish and all the parking and registration activities are in the city of Montpelier. But the event does go out on the Junction Road area of West Berlin with a turnaround up on Jonesburg Road. The Capitol City Stampede is on Saturday, June 8th as a 10K event. It also starts and finishes in Montpelier. Also goes out the Junction Road in West Berlin. The turnaround is before three-mile bridge. And then Berlin Pond is entirely within the town of Berlin. The registration and parking are here at the town office. The start and finish are down by the pond, then it's just a single loop of the pond. I have brought this, since they've done this many times, and the police chief has no issues as long as they maintain the standard of safety that they have in previous years. They have also asked to have the permit be waived. The $50 permit. I said there's three events? There's three events. Move to approve all three of the running events. And authorize this one. And authorize it at a time? Yes. And I second that. Oh, and I'll also mention we did provide an insurance certificate with the town of Berlin as an insurance. Yes, I have that. Thank you. Thank you for the discussion. Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. It's back to you, Jeff, okay. Thank you very much. Thank you for explaining everything. Thank you. Are you taking care of all the additions? The additions, yes. We haven't. We haven't. The heating system? The heating system is the next one that we've added. The town garage has two heating systems. One is in marginal condition and the other is in very poor condition. Very small. I will. It's kind of. And the bottom line at least in place. 30 years. We do have, Tim has talked with Gillespie fuels and they have suggested a propane a modene. Switching from oil to propane. Rather than use oil. That would be a cost of $4,490 to do that. To have a new 250,000 BTU propane fired modene unit heater. Remove the oil unit, run the gas lines at the tank. Gillespie fuels and propane owns the tank. Materials, $3,470, the labor is $1,020, $44,90. And you have money in your, you have $5,000 in your energy line that could cover that. If it were a 185,000 BTU oil fired unit heater and just replacing the current, the old unit, that would cost a total of $7,140,307. Have we looked at pellet furnaces? No, we've ever needed one of those. Okay, I mean, I know a lot of people about efficiency Vermont. There's, I don't know if the towns are eligible for that but there's a credit where they will actually pay part of the installation of a pellet furnace. I don't believe it ever needed to. It has to be huge. But the, would you like us to look at that? I would, so the building that my ex works in in Barry, Down Street, they're on the corner of Keith and Summer Street. And it's a big, both a office space and there's 40 apartment buildings. It's a three to four store building and they have the big pellet hopper. Yeah, and that heats the whole building with that pellet furnace. We can look into that. The only thing I'm thinking Jeremy with that is that, and I don't know how I'm not familiar with these things, how often they need to be fed. I mean, so like during the weekend or something would someone have to come in? No, it would be enough storage so it could, I mean, those are, well, and then you'll have a truck that'll come in and just fill, like they'd fill an oil tank or fill a gas tank to just fill the hopper. Part of that is getting the ashes out. Oh, okay. I can tell you that for my personal experience with propane gracing where they are, I have a pellet stove in my house. I actually like the idea of that and it was with Gillespie's fuel, the deal I get on propane, I actually get more BTUs, for my dollar, not propane and the deal with pellets. For the moment, I'm just... He's running that way for the last two years. He told me that Steven Corl, he kind of more handles the oil part of it, but he got the figures and stuff for the propane. Well, why don't you let us research a little bit and we'll bring it back to the next meeting. He said that the town's paying just a little over a dollar a gallon for propane. So, I mean, that's pretty cheap. Yeah. It was quite a discount when you used to have burning a lot of it. Yeah, and he was here and he looked at the situation over there and he thought about putting the tank over here next to the fence by the generator. And if he was to do that, then you could go propane here too. Just turn the burner. Get the furnace here to propane and do away with the oil. Because one of the other problems that we have is those are underground oil tanks. And they've been there for a long time. Are we gonna have to pull them out? Well, we gotta do our diesel fuel anyways because we've switched the above-ground tank over there because the state wouldn't let us put any more fuel in the ground over there. So, what they're gonna do is they're gonna have, from off environmental, you called it, they're just gonna come in. We're gonna have to dig it up. Cut a hole in the top of the tank. They put people down in there and clean it. And then you can fill it with sand and leave it there so you don't have to take it out of the ground in the state. And if you run out of sand in the winter, we can go back down the streets. But the tank here is a 500-gallon tank and our tank is a 1,000-gallon tank over there on the ground. What fuel do we use to have in the generator back here? Is that diesel also? That diesel has its own... Right, right. I was just thinking, if at some point we decide that we don't want to keep that up and we want to just switch that to propane, too. I'm thinking... I don't know if you'd be able to with that. That's pretty old. Well, I'm saying if we were to replace the generator, if we had a source of propane, then we could run that and we could feed the generator with that as well. Yeah. But they had to do some major work to let us keep using the finish that we got. So... Yeah, I mean, they had to put steel inside of that. The firebox is totally gone. I've been here for 30 years. That's how I'm going. What we do have... I mean, it's going to hang on for another... Yeah, he said we probably could get through the winter this year, but before, not himself. Yeah. I mean, before. But, I mean, we can always carry the $5,000 over in June into next year, because the one in the back part of the garage is not nearly as bad as the one in the front part. Because the back one, we got it turned way down. It's down on like 55 degrees, because we don't work out there that often, so we get the heat turned way down. The front one, I keep on about 65, so it runs more. The tank that feeds those first, is that separate from the diesel fuel? Yeah. It's on this side of the building now here. The diesel tank is on the front side out. Yeah. Because we've got to do that this spring. Yeah. You know, dig that up and get it cleaned and fill up the sand and fill up that fill up. Because they gave us an above-ground tank for free, $1,000 above-ground tank. The retainer, too? Huh? They give you a retainer, too? A cement retainer to put it in? No, we don't have to, because it's a double wall tank. And they supply the pump, everything, as long as we stay by and fuel it. But we do have to complete getting the other tank closed out. Yeah. Yeah, we got to do that. Because the state will give us time to do this thing. Does that, I don't know if that's what the building is, but there is an old petroleum cleanup fund. I don't know if there's any ground contamination there. No, the problem is the tank has a detector system in it, and it's spated. So we drained the tank, pumped it dry. So there's nothing in the tank. But that's why the state shut us down. And it was going to cost us $5,000 to upgrade the detecting system. So it's been spending $5,000 to do that, and still have to go through the whole hassle of keeping track of how many gallons of fuel you take out of it and how many gallons of fuel you put into it every day. So PJ had to do that every single day. I'm sure he did. We keep track of our fuel, even though we're not doing that now, we still write down when we pump out our tank that we have now. We keep track of our fuel. But I mean, that was a lot of time every morning. He had to dip the tank right down along the figures, and he had to, everything had to match up when the guy came from the state so that there was, you know, if there was any leakage anywhere, sorry. So, you know, it's costly. Sure. So there's no sense of having it. I mean, the state of Vermont did away with all their fuel tanks. They get their fuel at Maplewood, South Village Grocery, Williamstown, Monterey Air. They don't have their tanks some more, but they didn't go to a well-ground tank. So this would be high enough that we should probably go out to bid, technically, for the furnace? 5,000 is the threshold. Oh, 5,000 is the threshold. OK. Yeah, we're technically supposed to have three estimates. You can waive that, I mean. This is a vendor that we use and draw that supply. I mean, they supply the water. And we can. I mean, I have not had a chance to research anything on pellet furnace, but we can. Well, if you're going to do that, then you might as well get estimates for the pellet furnace and get estimates for a couple other estimates on the gas furnace. OK. And while you're at it, I don't know if it would be a good time now, but I mean, if the other furnace, how old is the other furnace? One's enough to use much. The back one. Both will put in the same time. So both 30 years? So you might want to take and see if there'd be a better price if they were to install two. OK. And if we're going to switch fuels, we'll switch fuels. Well, it's just that it's foolish to take and have them here to put in one furnace and make sure they haven't come back. Well, like I said, we can get through July. So if we carry over the 5,000 that I have now, we're going to have 5,000 next year, so we'll cover the other furnace. So they could do them all at the same time. Yeah. So the other thing, it might be cheaper to do it that way. We can get by for the rest of this year. He said it's bad, but they called it up pretty good. I mean, they were there for a long time, cutting steel. And I don't understand how the two are laid out back there, but would it be possible to get one larger one that could feed? No, let's go. We got a wall in between the shop. OK. And they hang from the ceiling. I see. The way they are right now, too. It just blows down then? Yeah. OK. Neals, too. Cross down. Nice. I was over there today, six couple spots, but they weren't really bad. They were more rough than they were in Muddy. But I don't think we've seen them. They started in Muddy even, to be honest with you. So I just want to know what we want to do here, how much we want to sling over there. I haven't told you anything. I came over tonight and said it was pretty good. Yeah, I was over it two or three times today. And I went over at least once a day. So what we've done in the past is we've given you the authority to say that this is the time that we're going to do it. We just would want to make sure we do 20. I'm not going to spend any money there in that hill, because it doesn't benefit anybody, but somebody for a shortcut. And I'm going to fix it down where Shirley and Chris live, if I have to. But I'll just put up road road signs. That way, you're covered if somebody gets in there and gets stuck and they can't come back on the town. So if we can do a 48-hour notice for a portrait or something just to make sure that when you decide you want to pull the trigger, then we're just going to cut off access that everybody knows. And then the buses and the fire department and everybody can make other plans. But right now, it's pretty good. The worst we've had is on the poem, front-end, that southern poem. I heard about that. That's the worst that we've had. And a little bit on Barrow and Hill. So we're saying on Crosstown that you're not going to put a lot of materials in your back. No, no, it's waste of money. It's waste of money. And if you want to spend money, I'll fix it. I know, I'm just trying to get myself straight. You know, if you want to keep flow from coming to a meeting, that's fine. Well, if I had a nice car, I won't put that one on that road. I'm going to get that. How's Dog River? Rough. That wasn't muddy at all. It was rough. No one down here twice this winter and fixed it because it got so polly because it rained and get cold and then rain and then warm up. But we just don't have the gravel now. We say it's usually everywhere else. I just have nothing on Dog River. But it's not muddy. Plus, I might as well be out there. Today's what? Thursday, I was out there Tuesday. Well, two of the greater. We went to go to Barrow and Hill and fix a place up there. And then we went to West Hill and that's where I live in. And then I went out through Dog River because I told those guys not to run, not to run Dog River, so they would just go up here and come back up over and want to go straight to get to Riverton. We dumped some material on the road. On the road, not in the pond. No. And I have money in my budget. And northeast started crushing. Today, I believe. So if it starts getting worse, I'm going to have to have some material also. And I'll talk with Jeff Newton. And northeast, of course, our contract with northeast and Jeff is from July 1st to June 2nd. So we're still under the same crisis that we paid last year. They're not going to charge us more. Well, okay. Thank you, Tim. Come in. So you want it, you're going to get estimates on your furnace? Well, if Dan's going to be looking around in my fault for the distance, at least then we'll, I mean, we'll have a view about it. We'll have the, we'll fulfill the obligations to the as far as getting to the three estimates. I'm ready. Okay, thank you, Tim. Have a great night. No, I'm not going to, not with what's coming. Well, they're saying they're saying 10 to 18 inches. Wow. Starting what? Early morning. Okay. West side of the hills or everywhere. Central Lamont area. So in that case, go right to bed. I'm going right over there. I'm going to bed over there. Tell the guys that we appreciate it. Definitely. They've been doing a really good job, especially with this is going to be a tough one, because the roads are soft. We rolled our plows all back today, so they won't dig, but it's still going to be a slow drag out. Yeah. I appreciate it. We commend their efforts. Thank you so much. It's going to be a long day tomorrow, I think. Well, that's what channel three said. Yeah. 10 to 18 inches. You want me to bring you some coffee in the morning? Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. What else is in the additions? Just the liquor commission. If you wanted to do the online training, Jeremy asked me to put that on the agenda. Okay. Jeremy? Yeah. I think we all got an email from the league about that they had just created, I think through the insurance program, that they had created a training on how to deal with data breaches and also some general computer security principles. That's been something they've been wanting to do for a while, and I've been sort of twisting their arm to do for a while. I don't recall the cost. Was that listed in that message? Did it say? I don't remember seeing the cost. But I would, if it was manageable and could fit under the training cost, I think that would be a valuable thing to ask. At least a handful of the municipal staff to go and attend. We do have a training budget and maybe they finance part of it with insurance. That's it. So we certainly could do that. I just want to bring that to everybody else and take your point back. I can put it to you if you'd like. There's a lot of paper. You're looking for minutes? Yeah. Okay. Help me out here, Dana. We're going to do approval. We have four sets to approve, although the ones from February 7th you cannot approve because you don't have a quorum to do that. Jeremy researched that a little bit and said that the board did not technically have to approve them. We don't actually technically need to ever approve the minutes. But it's nice to do it. I think it's a good idea. But for example, there's a meeting that Angelina wasn't at. We will never have a quorum and be able to approve those because Pete and Wayne aren't here. So we'll just have to say these look reasonable. You and I can look at them and say that happened and get out of their lives. So I'll just put them in the town record as unapproved if that makes sense. The trouble is that we spent some money on those things, too. Because we did the escalator in the trailer, I believe. You did. So make sure those bidsheets and everything are in there. I have attached them as an agenda for the minutes. Then you have the 21st might be the same situation. It's the same situation tonight because Angelina is not here tonight. Maybe we can get those done. You have March 4th and you can't approve those without Angelina. Thursday, March 7th. Wow. You can approve those. We'll approve the meeting minutes for the Thursday, March 7th, 2019 meeting as presented. In the second half. Any other comments on that? Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. Those in favor, motion carries. Where are we at now? We're at... I'm at the town administrator before... The town administrator is important. I think I had spoken a little bit with Carla about the town center designation. We are working... It's been a little while getting used to the mall no longer has Mike Rushman and he was the impetus that kept the project going. We have met with the state. We thought we were much closer to getting the town center designation than we are and we're not and we were disappointed by that but in thinking about it I think that it's a good idea that we have to do what we have to do because we'll have a real good basis when we go and do that. There is a lot of professional work that we only help with. The staff does not have that expertise that we need. We did get an estimate from Brandy Saxon who did our master plan. We haven't put out the bid so we do need to do that Brandy's fee wasn't so bad but I never believed that that's all the money that it's going to cost and I think this is going to be a project that is over a few years. I think when I'm really looking for the board for your continued support I have been working with the mall and they are supportive. I met this week with downtown community housing they are interested in doing a project and they know down street housing and community development. I think that the mall is willing to and we haven't come down to the dollar signs but is willing to help finance part of it and what I need to get together for you is really what the cost is going to be. Was down street willing to support that administratively or otherwise? I haven't talked to down street as far as I think they are willing to support it so that they can go ahead with their project and it also is important to them because they also apply for funding to for this property They might have some in-house talent that could also be able to help with this downtown designation. I will speak to them. Do you need a motion on this, Dana? I'm just trying to give you where we are on it. And as Carla mentioned Tom brought the idea to me about using the funds that are coming in to the zoning and of course it's a flush of cash coming into zoning because of this project but there's not a picture of many more projects like that coming through and it's not like we could spend the money and overdraw the expense account but we can't overdraw the bottom line and I think it's not proven to spend money the taxpayers haven't given permission to spend. I just want to give you a motion just to support your efforts I guess if you'd like to do a motion that would be great just wanting the board's feedback as far as should we continue trying to do this. Did the mall indicate an amount that they're interested in helping a percentage per say? They haven't. I would imagine that if they were looking at residential development that would be huge. When I talked to Ken he was talking about the cost by our consultant is no problem for the mall but there are some other costs involved that could get to be. The idea and what they had previously brought to the table when Michael Ruschman was on board was that they were going to spearhead and continue to do this. If you remember when they came in in 2015 and we were not going to have to do a thing and at that time I said right. That's kind of where I'm going here. Are we now left holding the bag while they want to go do this development and this town center designation will help them. No doubt about it. It's a big benefit to them but I'm trying to look to see if the board agrees with me. I think it's a good thing for the town to go forward with the plan for the future. I may never see it but are we going to be left holding the bag having paid for this stuff and then the community at large. There's a taxpayer money that we're talking about putting towards something. I think that in the short term that would be true but in the long term is how I see it. We have the capital improvements and as far as having more tax base we're going to have to accept the street, the road and do other things that are going to have expenses. So, yeah it's going to benefit them all definitely. We have talked with the hospital we've talked with other property owners around about being in the district and what their thoughts were and everyone's been very positive about the project. Is the hospital really a chicken room? We have asked them that and we have not gotten an answer. I think you have gotten an answer. I think I have too but I'm uncaled. It's annoying. So, I guess, you know, we've put quite a bit of time into this. We were not going to have to do a thing with this. It's just going to happen. Obviously. But it's for the community. I think the community will benefit. Berlin really needs a sense of community. I will be out there saying color me skeptical. I wish I disagree with you but I don't. Completely. Anything else on your administrative point? Yes, thank you. At the next meeting the 4th Velco is holding a public hearing here beginning at 6 o'clock regarding the upgrade project they have planned for the Berlin substation project over on Yeltsin they are also going to meet with you in your meeting at 7.15. We have two applications and I thought it would be good for them to come and explain what they were going to do. We have received two hazard mitigation proposals. We have put that out a bit and we received two. I am getting together with the emergency management director, Bruce Richardson. We are getting together next week to go over those to bring you a suggestion the one you should go with and we will send you those proposals so that you can review them as well. Also to for that grant you need to adopt a conflict of interest policy even though we have one in the charter but I will be updating that. The one that I had given to you a few weeks ago is over the top so I am going to start it down and we will try it again. Bob Wernick will be in next time to give you an update on what is going on over at Regional Planning. On Friday the 5th I am going to be going to White River Junction to a construction office to go over the work that is going to be in the town of Berlin Interstate 89 doing some work that is being formed with rocks being shaved back this is not the 63 project this is another project solid rock excavation, ditch work and other highway related items that is pretty detailed so I am going to go see and see what that is about. I have two copies of the league news and I thought I would give a copy one to Justin and one to Flo and I am very glad you are close to that. Thank you so much. Much appreciated. And maybe you might get one directly if you get one in a minute. You don't. And that is all I have to say. Thank you. To recess the select board you can be in the liquor control board. Here a second. All those in favor? Aye. Motion passes. We have an application for a catering permit from Cornstone Burger Company doing business at Cornstone Puffin Kitchen from Barry. They are catering a corporate party at Union Bank on Thursday to 25th, 49. They expect 50 people. Let's approve Cornstone's catering requests. Second. Any others? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. We will adjourn the liquor control board and reconvene the select board. All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Let's see here. We have an executive session today. I would like to ask for an executive session under two topics. I would like one to be a personnel discussion and another to be a contract discussion. Okay, so I'll actually do number one from the contract first and then I can do both of the motions to enter executive session separately. I move to find that premature general public knowledge of the what contract is this? I'll give it to you in detail. I'll give it to you in detail. I'll give it to you in detail. I'll give it to you in detail. I'll give it to you in detail. I am proud of the contract with the Berlin school board Berlin elementary school board placed the town of the substantial disadvantage. And so I'll do the discussion here this is just for us to stay on the up-and-up in terms of how we can go into sessions that are recorded in the don't go into the minutes. So we talk about a contract we have to give enough information so that people know what it is we're talking about but we have to say but it would be a bad idea for us to be discussing this in public. All in favor? All right.