 Okay, I'm John Furrier with silkenangle.com here inside theCUBE at VMworld. We have the cloud panel and I'm going to go down and let you guys introduce yourselves and we'll jump right in. Go ahead, Scott. I'm Scott Generu. I'm CEO of Nirvonix. I am Samir Dalakia, general manager of the cloud platforms group at Citrix. Hi, I'm Krishna Subramanian. I'm VP of marketing for VDI in a box at Citrix. So VMware has used the word end-user computing. We'll start with you, Krishna, and change it from desktop virtualization to end-user computing. You guys had a lot of demos at Synergy, which we covered on silkenangle.tv. So talk about what's changing in the world there and how do you guys compare to VMworld? Because everyone wants to know, you guys, you know, competitors, want to hear your story, you're here at VMworld and what's your counterpoint to VMware? Sure, we are co-op editors. We run on vSphere, so we work on the same hypervisor platforms, which is why we're here at VMworld. But I think we share the vision for end-user computing. It's becoming anytime, anywhere, any device access for anyone. And that's where we fit in. We're making our desktop virtualization very easy and very affordable for a company of any size to adopt it. So you guys are working closer with VMware now that Simon Crosby's gone? Had to get that in for the folks out there. No, Simon Crosby, they know he's fierce competitor against VMware. But you guys have to cooperate. And just like in the old days, in the PC business, we heard Pat Gelsinger talking about the ecosystem. What's the biggest reality right now in cloud? We talked to practitioners yesterday and said, less than 30% of IT, CIOs and IT practitioners are moving to the cloud with any kind of tier two or tier one, which I find astonishing. What do you guys think about that statistic and what's your take on that? Well, I think there's no question that it's going to take some time for enterprises in particular to move towards cloud infrastructure in a public fashion. But it's also going to be a requirement of our cloud service providers to mature the infrastructure and create specialized offerings. We'll have different kinds of clouds that are tailored for this kind of compliance or that kind of regulation or this HIPAA cloud and those types of things. I think we'll see more and more of those tier one apps and tier two apps get moved out to the cloud. But there's no question that we'll also see a lot of enterprises building on premise, clouds that look like the largest clouds in the world. And that's really what Citrix is out to provide. Describe the groundswell right now in your mind on how the cloud momentum is. Is it really happening and do you see, what kind of specific things can you point to that say this is coming? Because we're seeing a lot of movement faster than, quite frankly, open source can handle. So open source is growing, but the movement for commercial grade cloud is really real. So can you point to that, talk about that dynamic? Yeah, we see an incredible amount of traction right now with folks, I mean, the single most obvious data point is Amazon Web Services growth. I mean, they are on path to be a billion dollar company based on just what they're doing with infrastructure as a service cloud. And there are a slew of organizations right behind a building cloud infrastructure and to bringing those two enterprise customers that are interested in it, and ranging from enterprise all the way to small, medium business. What we've seen at Citrix via our acquisition at cloud.com, that the interest is broad from multiple classes of customers, so certainly large service providers who now recognize that they need to build clouds like Amazon. So some of our customers are folks like Korea Telecom or GoDaddy, people that realize they're now a competitive threat to Amazon. I got to go build a cloud that is like the largest clouds in the world. Their customers, you got the next-gen enterprises, so Zynga, Netflix. Built on Amazon, Zynga was built on Amazon. Zynga had been and continues to run a big part of it, but they've also built Z Cloud internally as a private cloud that is built on the cloud.com technology base and Zen server at the bottom that basically emulates that same scale of cloud that's just behind their firewall and they, because they're using our technology, they can flex between the two. Scott, you guys have a cloud and you're up and running with a lot of customers on the store side. You guys, by the way, offered assistance to Hurricane Irene. Folks, move all their data over and did it for Japan. That was a good call, I like that, good marketing. But you guys are up and running, fast growing startup. You guys are moving fast. What's the demand that you're seeing on cloud and particularly what are the key requirements that you're hearing from customers? Yeah, so that's a good question. I spent about 75% of my time in front of customers as prospects, so I'm out and about all the time. And I will tell you that I think right now the interest in cloud, and specifically our story, is getting a huge amount of attractions. Quarter on quarter, we're in triple digit growth. These are people who are putting production, real data in the cloud. I have many customers who have petabytes in our cloud. I have many customers that have 100 terabytes in the cloud. And what's really resonating, I think, that people forget when they start talking about open stack in some of these other areas, is the fact that we have something that we call hybrid cloud. Customers don't want isolated islands of cloud. And so one of the things that I think is really important for what we do is when we put something on a customer's floor in a hybrid type node, they also have access to our public cloud. So they can actually buy some private hybrid type stuff that's more secure in their location. And it also allows them to move that data anywhere around the world. And it gives them such a flexibility when there's a regional disaster like you just mentioned, if for DR, for business continuity. You know, I was talking to a customer yesterday and we were talking about Veeam, a company over here that does snaps for virtual machines. We snap Veeam into our cloud. And then if there's a disaster in that data center, they can download that image anywhere in the world on an open box and be up and running quickly. That's the power of the cloud. But you need both. It's not just public by itself. And it's not creating private. Private in your own world by yourself doesn't give you the same flexibility that you get with this cloud federation that we call between hybrid and public using both together. I mean, I think, they'll be all three, but I want to ask Samir and you a question about, you mentioned Amazon. Amazon's on the public cloud. What we're hearing and what we're seeing is that people want real products right now. The demand for like delivery is so high that things like OpenStack and other open source initiatives that have a lot of momentum and a lot of movement and hype behind them that people are getting involved in. You guys are involved in OpenStack, for example, HP jumped in. The question is, is that going to grow fast enough than the demand for the real products and services? So it brings the question of, hey, if I can deliver a hybrid cloud like a Z cloud like Zynga, that's a much faster solution and can OpenStack's the community the bottom's not moved fast enough. So can you guys talk about that? Yeah, I'll take a quick cut from Citrix perspective. It's one of the reasons we acquire cloud.com was speed to market with real technology in market today. They've got 65 production clouds that have been built on their technology platform, including Zynga, which by the way is now at 10,000 servers, 10,000 nodes deployed on the cloud stack technology. So for anybody who's looking for a real technology, they can get started with today. That product is there and Citrix is happy to come partner with you on it. We do obviously believe very deeply in OpenStack and the open source community as well. And we're working- Believe, belief and delivery are two things. And we have dozens of engineers lined up to help accelerate it and we're working as quickly as we can and we're not alone in it. Obviously Dell and HP and Cisco and Intel, there are a number of very large organizations that are getting behind it. And you're right, speed matters. And what we're doing is taking our cloud.com technology with the rest of the Citrix portfolio, Zen server, net scalers to do load balancing and firewalling and bridging between that hybrid model, our networking technology is a key part of the story that Citrix uniquely delivers. We're bringing all that to folks today and allowing them to seamlessly bridge over to an OpenStack world as that matures and gets ready. All right Scott, go ahead real quickly. Yeah, so, we feel OpenStack is still very immature. When you talk about saying you've got dozens of customers, I have 1,200 customers that are doing something really radically different. Just, I'll give you an example. Just a mere fact right now in an open source environment to upload data, it has to be in five gig chunks. Five gig chunks don't work for a customer that has multiple petabytes in the cloud. It might be great for an SMV type customer, for a small customer, but that's the immaturity still of this product. We're on our second generation of technology. We've been doing this for years, but I do want to stress one thing that's important. There's OpenStack for server type cloud and there's OpenStack for storage. So the stuff I'm referring to is around storage. I personally think for storage, when you look at what's out there today, there's very few customers that are using OpenStack in a storage cloud environment. There's quite a few that are using it for more of a server type environment and it seems to be working better in that environment. I think that's a little more mature. But for the cloud storage side, I don't think anybody can show me a customer that has petabytes of storage using an OpenStack file system today. Maybe one, but not a lot and nowhere close. So, and there's a lot of issues around it, around performance, around objects not synchronized or on data consistency, none of that today is built in there. The other thing too, as we all know, and I go back to my storage background, NetApp's a great company, it's a storage company. But what makes NetApp a great company, to be fair, is the fact that they have software integration and they've done that so well. It's not the actual hardware piece, right? There is a lot of software integration, BD type work that you're going to have to do with OpenStack that isn't there today. Today we're integrated with Commvault. Today we're integrated with NetBackup. We're integrated with these companies. It's taken us years to do this. It's so just because you have a product and say it can kind of do this, that doesn't mean that it's production ready to do what customers really want to do with production data. So there's a lot of work to it. I'm not saying it might not get there, but I question it a little more. I mean, I love OpenStack, but I think there's a transformation. This is a bigger conversation. We could do a whole data center and storage panel on this one topic. So to me, there's a transformation going on and it's interesting. I'm watching it closely. Yeah, I know, and I think that the comments are fair. I think obviously the OpenStack community would probably have a slightly different view of where Swift is. But I think you're right, that there are enterprise use cases and there's object storage in the S3 like fashion and those may be different use cases. I love to get you guys on the panel together. The question, let's get that you on because you've been quiet. End user computing, honestly, virtualization affects the user experience. You guys trumpet out the iPad at Synergy. That changes the CIO. Hey, build this. I want this. And that's a different user. So whether the highlights of the things that you're seeing in the end user, top of the stack, I see VMware has got social cast and they're going to be very mobile with the apps and data. Would share this some data? Absolutely. And Citrix has been a leader in the mobile and anytime, anywhere.