 How y'all doing today? Come on, we need that one more time. How y'all doing today? Man, it's so beautiful to see so many black people in this motherfucker, you feel me? Niggas is still out here, still out here rocking, you know what I'm saying? So this is Hella Black. God damn, y'all motherfuckers came on a Friday to come see us talk. Go fuck. Shit, that's what I'm talking about. What episode is this? Episode 23 of Hella Black. You sure it's 23? Is it 23? Y'all tell me. Is it 23? It is 23. Oh shit, I'm in my Jordan year, nigga. I actually got some Jordans on, bro, but you know, I got my Air Force. This is Mikey episode 23. It's 23, check something out. Yeah, it's episode 23. I don't know if 23 is like a special number, but it's a special number for us, because if you were to ask us like a year ago if we'd be doing Hella Black episode 23 in front of a whole ass audience, I would have said no. In this field, like there's not like four people here, you know, I was kind of worried for it. I was worried for it, man, I was like, man, I got my cousin shot right here, you know, my other cousin, you feel me? I was like, you know, I'm my family here, but. People fuck with us the way they claim to fuck with us. Yeah. Because niggas say they love you, but don't want to show it, you know what I'm saying? I'm just, because he's not a bunch of random ass white people in this my friend. Yeah. Like no lie. No lie. If there was white people sitting like in the front, I'd tell y'all to please get in the back so black people can see. For real, I'm not even joking. Y'all think I'm lying, man. Because like oftentimes white people do shit like this where they like trying to provide political education and accessible education. And they be hella white people in the front, so I'm excited to see all the white people in the back when I'm taking up his space. Yeah. It's 2018, motherfucker. You know what, so we talk our shit, you feel me? It's no hard, you know, if you were out, you know, you shouldn't take no offense because if you have white tears, we in a drought right now, you feel me? So take your white tears, you know. There's a lot of forest fires and it's motherfucking. So use your white tears to water this shit, you feel me? So, you know. Hella black, I'm hella dude. So I want to shout out to my cousin Miles who performed earlier. Yeah. Round of applause, please. Please, please. Please, please. Shy, he was blanks under a cousin and like family to me. Yeah. My cousin Shyra out here, you know, spitting. Shy, a white day for always engineering. And I'm going to set up an audience for you. Who knows? Jacqueline. Making the flyer, you feel me? Amber setting up Jacqueline for also making the flyer. That was big. And just everybody who pulled up to support us, I appreciate that shit a lot because without y'all, there is no us. Shout out to the Patriots, Shout out to all the patrols, you know what I'm saying? Hey, hello. We're here with some dog water. There's a little patronage here, you know, but that got some more patronage in you, you feel me? But we here rocking. Episode 23. We live, we black, we still at it. God damn, there's hella motherfuckers in here. That shit crazy. Like, usually we like really tucked in this room sweating and shit, like, bro, I really be sweating, bro, like bringing a napkin in, wiping my forehead off usually. I got a big forehead too. Like, I ain't from the Y. You feel me? It's good to see people like right in front of me, you know what I'm saying? I'm just rocking with it. As always, follow us at hella blackpod. Yeah, something like that. That's our Twitter at RIT, hella blackpod. Yeah, y'all got it for free, so you can always follow us for real. And then what about Patreon? Patreon.com slash hella blackpod. We got hella extended episodes, you feel me? We can hear us talking more shit, you know what I'm saying? It's a way to support us too, you feel me? A lot of people don't support black podcasters, like at all. Like, you got all these white people talking all this, you know, whatever, whatever they talking about. I don't really listen to them, to be honest, you know what I'm saying? But they be getting hella cheese off it. I'm like, we ain't even doing this for cheese, like we just started to just, just on some authentic shit, you know what I'm saying? But if we can get some cheese on with it. Yeah. Especially if it's a lot of white people listening to this shit, that's a lot of emotional and physical labor. Like, nigga, we had to set up chairs and shit. I ain't from the Y. You're like, nigga, that's labor. I ain't from the Y. If you white in here, you should sign up on Patreon because Black Wave ready for free. Hello? He's me, he's me. Straight, straight, straight up. What do you mean? But, you know, I'm glad y'all get to see us in here. You know, you get to see my niggas' waves and shit, you feel me? You know, it's niggas. My luxurious locks. You know, if you get seasick, though, I think we have some adrenaline in the back at the people's breakfast hall when you feel me? You know, so if you get seasick a little nauseous, you know, don't drink the Hennessy, take some adrenaline, you know what I'm saying? But we got some... Got some fire content for you. Yeah, we got some content. We got some shirts and shit. People's Breakfast, Oakland, you feel me? If you know, I think AB was talking about that. You know, that will really support the work we're doing in the field. You feel me? We really proud ourselves about being about our actions. You feel me? Yeah, what's that? So, cop a shirt, that shit will support you. You feel me? If you buy one shirt, you damn near gonna feed five, six people. Some good food, too. Some shit I eat. Some like kosher hot dogs. We ain't got your feet in this shit that we would not eat. I don't eat no pork. So, no pork on my fork, no swan on my mind, and I ain't aching for baking. So, you know, we got some good ass. We got some good food for people that we feed, you feel me? So, we got a good episode in the story, you know what I'm saying? God damn, we really... How do we start this shit, bro? For real? How do we start this podcast? Yeah, come on, teach. No, yeah, Black Joy for sure. We definitely gonna start with Black Joy. Thank you, who reminded her? Who said that first? You did? Taylor fucking with it, shout out, Taylor. Taylor also is an amazing journalist, and she just did a feature story on Hella Black that's gonna be featured in Playboy, thanks to me. Shout out to Taylor too. So, like Taylor said, we like to start our episodes off with Black Joy. Shit, I gotta think about some shit now. You go first, man. I can go first. Who ain't out for real though? Who had a Black Joy moment? Raise your hand if you had a Black Joy moment this week. Who wouldn't like sharing Black Joy moment? You wanna come up here and share? Smitty, what's up, come fuck with us. Yeah, come on, come fuck with me. Yeah! So, Ma, thank you for inviting me up here, brother, out for so long. Roll the letter you might know about. My Black Joy moment actually comes from my grandmother, right? So when we think about our Blackness and how we found it, for me, as a light-skinned motherfucker who grew up with a lot of self-hating, I'm gonna just be 100% with it. And how I've learned about how to combat that, right? It's remembering a lot of the things that my grandma used to say, especially about navigating white spaces, and like, I'm gonna keep 100 with y'all. As a person who really had a lot of internalized racism, and we all talked about this, and I learned a lot about that in being around people like Roller, right? My grandmother has been the number one antidote, right? Of like, how I find myself in this world, and how I navigate this world. So like, all that wisdom, my grandmother suffered from Alzheimer's. So I'm gonna make this, I'm gonna practice some Revit, and just say, to see her lucid in a moment and tell me I'm so proud of you, you're doing what I thought you would do, that shit really tore me up in the best way possible in a time where I needed to hear that most. So that was Black Joy. And I think that, just in honor of you, and by you, I want to thank you all for that shit. That's a big thank you. We think it's important to prioritize joy, you feel me? Because this world is fucking wild, bruh. Like, for real, for real. I know everybody be going through shit, you know, I be going through shit, you know what I'm saying? Shit sometimes we don't even talk about or vocalize, you feel me? So I think it's important that you feel me to prioritize joy, you feel me? Like, nigga, yeah, we happy. We fucking lit. It's first Friday, you feel me? It's Hella Black, you feel me? And to personalize that joy, like nah, it's Black Joy. It's Black Joy, not White Joy. It's just us. I want to hear about the White Joy. White Joy is every day. Yeah, bruh. For real. Yeah, it's White Joy, bruh. Come on, are you just gonna cross the street? Like, you got a red carpet coming out for you? Damn, that's what you're talking about. Is there anyone else that would like to share a Black Joy moment? You know, me and B don't want to take up too much space. Is there anyone else that got something they want to share? No one else before we get into our Black Joy moments? Come on, fam, pull up. You can say your name. How's it going, everyone? My name is Christopher. I'm from LA. I didn't go to the California. In the what? Oh, the Nailogs. I'm talking right here. My Black Joy man was, I saw a Mornjean concert. Oh, shit. He was over there two-stepping two. I didn't go to the Long Beach, all that. And it just felt really good. I went during the worknight week. And I typically don't go out. I'm like, I have to. So it felt great. It was like reminiscing of childhood. So yeah, I think throughout this entire process, we want to make this whole experience as interactive as possible. So there will be moments where we want to engage the crowd and not just sit up here and talk at y'all. So we definitely going to do like a Q&A portion at the end. So if you don't feel comfortable sharing in the early moments, hopefully we say something that moves you to where you want to come up here and ask the question or something like that. Yeah, if you fuck with something we say, you don't snap or some shit, clap or some shit, talk or shit, you feel me? If you don't like what we're saying, just keep it to yourself. You know what I'm saying? Also, yeah, before I even forget this, before we get started, I think AB already said this, like this is a very inclusive space. And the shit that we about to say tonight is in alignment with the gay liberation movement, the trans liberation movement, uplifting all black women. So if that's some shit you can't get down with, you know, the back doors right there. Feel free to leave a link on my YouTube channel. We just want to make that very clear. Very, very, very clear. And also, we also want to make this this place where you feel me, people are learning, you feel me? So like, don't be afraid, you feel me? It's like, people talk about safe spaces and shit, but this should be like a brave space. So if you ain't heard some shit, we talk about ask somebody, you feel me, come ask us after we will explain it. You feel me? We really try to use accessible language and shit because people, you know, I work in college and shit, very like, people using big ass words to describe as simple as shit. It's like, bro, if you can't explain that shit to your grandma, what the fuck is that theory? The shit is, what's that shit you talking about, you feel me? So if you see somebody you feel me ain't never seen before, introduce yourself. Like, that's how you feel me? Like, they know liberation without community. Yeah, in fact. And if we ain't know each other, like how the fuck we gonna really, you know, like fuck Mayor Shaff, you know? Fuck all that shit, bro, for real, for real, for real. All right, so I can say my black joy moment was this past weekend, it had Hyrule Day. And I was talking, I was talking to my cousin Miles before this and it's like, I guess like over the last couple of not, I guess over the last couple of years, of course, the black population in the East Bay area has been declining rapidly. And it's like, I would say with Juneteenth Festival earlier this year in Berkeley, that was like a time where I got to see hella black people just congregated in one space. And I don't really get to experience that shit every day. I've been living in the same area pretty much my entire 26 years of life. And like over the last couple of years, like I said, shit has just been declining. So I feel like with Hyrule Day and Juneteenth, which is a, I really feel like I took a step back in time where I got to be around just hella black shit. It was fucking crazy. Like seeing Richie Rich perform, that's what I ain't going to do. And like hella older motherfuckers, that's easy for me. My mom's, my granny, my auntie, my grandpa, my uncles and shit. Like that shit was beautiful. And you know, motherfuckers love Oakland. They love black Oakland into us. We kind of love black Oakland. So, you know, seeing all the people out there, that was definitely a black joy moment for me. Straight up, straight up. I say Hyrule Day too, just you feel me going stupid, you know, shaking this shit, you know what I'm saying? But also just like finding my own peace just by myself. You feel me? I think black joy is collected, but sometimes I got to be by yourself. So for me, just, I just get on my bike. Sometimes I just need a ride, bro. Just, you know, hit the freeway and shit. And that should just be like, it centers me. You feel me? So I be, I be going through my shit, I'm like, fucking, I need to get out of my, I get out of my bed, hop on my bike, you know, go a little too fast. But you feel me? We're fast. Say it to Andrews, you know what I'm saying? Hella black episode 23. 23 live on the motherfucking town, you feel me? We done recorded Hella places, bro. We done recorded. That's what I'm fucking with you. For those that don't know, Hella black is like just a fucking. That's my great auntie. Make sure she get a seat. For real, for real. How you doing, auntie? Yeah, for those that don't know, Hella black has no, I don't know what to call it, like no format, no structure. Me and black usually just get drunk. It's the patrol on the Hennessy and we just talk our shit. That's what we're going to do tonight. We have like a little brief outline of topics you want to touch on, but hopefully y'all just rock with us. And that's how it's going to be. Now I'm looking at you right now and I'm looking at your feet. And I think this is a perfect segue into our first topic. What's the first topic about teach? My nigga Colin Kaepernick in his whole life and shit that's going down. And I know some of y'all is clapping, you know, and that shit is, I command cap 100% because I can't think of a time where I had to like fully sacrifice everything that I believed in, sacrifice the my wellbeing and the wellbeing of my family. Like I know Cap is taking care of the people with that money that he was making. That's something I can relate to, like using my income to take care of the motherfucking. So I can't think of like a moment where I had to sacrifice my income for a message. And you know, I would hope, I would like to think that if that situation is ever presented to me that I would make the right choice. But it's also important that we don't just let Nike get off the hook with this shit. Yeah, for real. You feel me? Yeah, because Nike on some fuck shit. I ain't feeling like I got some forces on this shit that may bother me. And I got on some air bags, you know. So it's like, it's the perfect example of like capitalism always wins. There's no ethical consumption of the capitalism. But just like letting y'all know that like do not give Nike a pass at this shit cause these motherfuckers seem like sweating sauce popping off. I go like, I see some people tweeting like, Hey, is this the time to invest in Nike? Like what the fuck? You just put a black person on Nike, you put Cap and Nick and Serene and you're like, Oh shit, I should buy some Nike shit. Like I should invest. What the fuck? Like four years ago that was doing 30% off from law enforcement. Like in the height of the black lives matter movie, you feel me? Like when shit was really popping off. And I'm sure they got any competitive prisons and shit. Oh, of course. All those shit is correlated, you know. But like shout out to Cap and Nick, you feel me? He was really standing in for what he believed in you feel me? But a lot of people kind of came at him kind of foul. I'm just like, bro, nigga, you on Twitter right now tweeting about this shit, right? Like Twitter ain't just from the Bay area. Like Twitter isn't the central when you feel me like really displace some people. Like you ain't got some Nike socks on. That's like, we'll off cover. It's so layered, bro. If you think about, I think oftentimes, right? Especially with like black folks with us being caught up in our own movement with anybody that's caught up in a liberation movement is usually caught up in situations and issues that pertain strictly to you. But like we talk about liberation, right? When people like to idealize the Panthers, like they had a movement that was like inclusive of all people, like all power to all people. So you think about what's going on with Nike and that's not giving them a pass strictly because they back in someone who was speaking out on, essentially what was started out as like police brutality against black people, right? That was the cap's original stance, right? So you talk about Nike back in someone who was speaking out against police brutality against black people but also having these fucking sweatshots popping off wherever the fuck they have. It's not an office in fucking Thailand, wherever it is. But it's also like one of the facts what the Panthers talked about like, it's either all of us or none of us. So although Nike might be back in somebody that's speaking out against police brutality against black folks, they still got sweatshots and shit popping off in Thailand. Like that could easily be, that could have easily been us, roles could be reversed real quick, you know what I'm saying? So it's like it's important for us not to give Nike that pass. And we live in a time where fucking it's, this climate we're like doing the politically correct thing is like can easily be monetized. Bro, people be bigging their coin on black lives matter. I ain't even finna buy it. Like black lives matter to be fucking monetized, bro. Niggas is crazy if they don't think that the decision that Nike made wasn't a business decision. Like it has to be more profitable. You know, black folks was hella happy. You feel me? Like, oh, Kaepernick is on this shit. Oh yeah, we going, we going, it's like, it's like Hennessy. You know, Hennessy at the first commercial with black people and shit, we ain't here drinking Hennessy. I ain't finna buy it, you know what I'm saying? But like it's important to judge people about what their actions are and not judge them just individually. You feel me? Capitalism is a system, bro. Like straight like that, it's a whole, it's a whole system. It's not just Kaepernick, it ain't just Serena. It ain't just my air forces, you feel me? It's a whole economic system. You feel me? That's taking advantage and making hella white people money. You feel me? Like we gon' invest in Nikes, bro. That's a bad stock to buy it just in general. Like I ain't gon' keep it with y'all. Don't buy that shit, for real. I feel Hill and Mayny like critiquing these niggas while fully decked out with them, too. I swear, like I'm like, man, should I say this shit? But I think that goes, it goes back, it goes back to what we're saying. There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. There is none. No ethical consumption under capitalism. I can try to buy some shit, but it's like, bro, like my Nikes is fucked up. Somebody got extorted to make that shit. My iPhone, nigga, that was from some child slaves, fucking mining some minerals in Africa. You feel me? Shit, I don't even want to know, but the hair products I use, bro, that shit probably on some fucking shit, too. Yeah. To your wave brush. You know? It's just, it's whole cycle. Yeah, it's no lie. So yeah, it's important that like, but with Nike, this isn't the first instance in the world since shit like this has happened. So I just, you know, I want y'all to be conscious of, like all of us to be conscious of, like when somebody, when a system like Nike and a company like Nike makes a move like this, just know that it was still the best capitalistic move at that time. Right. There's no underlying message like, okay, we're trying to support black liberation, we're trying to support black movements, we wanna support, you ain't never heard nobody from Nike come out and speak against police brutality. I can't recall that. Or have a campaign against police brutality. I've never seen that. And you gotta realize that's what the past message was from the get go. So for them not to come out and speak strictly or intently against fucking police brutality, you should know that this move was made in efforts to boost them stocks up. For real, for real. But Cap a real dude though. That's a real idea. He's really gave a million dollars back to the community. Like really community organizations, you feel me? So it's like, if anybody gonna get that cheese, I'd rather be Cap because I know he ain't gonna cut off. Yeah. Cap is like one of those niggas who for sure knows the difference between like reform and revolution. You know what I'm saying? Like if y'all want to back this revolution go ahead, you feel me? It's going back for our own units. Like I'm all for it. Nike, you want to give me a hundred million, go ahead and get you ain't gonna like the result. We feel it. We feel it. We feel it. Chopped up. We feel it. Yeah. Chopped up. Yeah, y'all just be calm. Y'all just, you know, it's important that we all be cautious and conscious of the people that we put our trust in. Like don't let Nike fool you next. And don't just believe some shit cause it's some like a black person. Like Spike Lee. You know what I'm saying? That's so rough on y'all. Some of y'all like, those niggas like that don't talk about, hey, don't let that, man. How many y'all niggas seen Black Cleansman? By Charlotte Haines? Raise your hand. I saw that shit. How many y'all just fuck with Spike Lee regardless even if you ain't seen Black Cleansman? Like I know niggas like to think like Spike Lee is a, you know, a solid down earth nigga but y'all should know that this nigga just got $200,000 from NYPD to do a media campaign for them. And he got money from the Navy, bro. He's taking money from the Navy to make an ad campaign. The same niggas that was out here stopping and frisking Black folks for no reason. Saying NYPD that chucked their garner out to death. And this nigga made a movie called I Can't Breathe but he gonna take $200,000 from NYPD? That shit crap. If you take money from the police, what does that make you? We a hulking, what does that make you? Thank you, hello. Hulking so fucking fat, a snitch. You fuck with them niggas, you duck with them niggas, y'all talk about it. But that's what I'm saying, not all y'all skin is your kin. For real. Really not, bro. You can't trust all Black folks. For real, especially, especially that one light-skinned nigga that everybody love. Before we get there, hold on, right? Like, I wouldn't have to say like, systems would get in the time, like you could never like, bro, you can't trust no Black person that wanna work within the system. You can't, no person in general, but like, you know, I think a lot of times we like to give skin color a pass, right? So any Black, like you gotta think about it. Bro, but we really need Black cops, bro. I know, we need a lot of Blacks. But think about it though, since like we think about like slavery, right? Like nigga, it was Black overseas. Uncle Tom. You feel what I'm saying? Like nigga, was Black overseas? Is this a solution to ending slavery? No. So the systems that we're trying to do- Was Black slave patrollers the system to ending slavery? Fuck no. I don't think so. So why can't we trust any Black person that's trying to integrate into the system? You can't take it from me. The system all function the way it's supposed to function. You feel it? Same way to playing with design and fly. The same way capitalism is designed to oppress and marginalize people. Oh, y'all better write that shit down. He's just giving us a fucking gag. I don't, man. Y'all niggas just be saying, you know. Back to Oply. Back to Oply, but Spike Lee, you know, everybody was Spike Lee. I ain't gonna lie. I fuck with some Spike Lee movies and shit. Man, my nigga Bamboozle. That was my shit. My for mechs. Huey P. New story, that was my shit. Spike Lee got a lot of hits, bro. I know my nigga did Disney. What's that? He did, thank you. What's the shit called? He got game. He got game? Come on, my nigga Spike got classics. I don't give a fuck. How many movies you write? You fuck with the police. You are a fucking op. Straight like that, you shouldn't trust him. Oh. Bro, he's like, bro, I need to get another season ticket to the next games. That's why he took the NYPD movie. I'm just confused. Yeah, you got the question, what's the deal? It was essentially to get more like black people to be police. It was supposed to make a diverse advertisement to get more police or more black people to be police. So that's like propaganda, you feel me? No, I get what you're saying. We're not 100%, we do for show, not going to hashtag them like that, but are you asking our opinion on that? Or why we see a problem with it? So, yeah. I think the first thing would be that black cops kill black people at the same rate as white cops. We can send y'all some sources that show that there's an article that we have in here. It's like a big ass link, though. Is this, which one is the Google link? Is this the only guy that's here? I don't think so, but we can send you something. You can just. Not for real, yeah. Anything we say, don't believe it straight. You feel me, like, not like don't believe it, but like research our shit, you feel me? It's like, research what we say. There's a study that we found on Google. I thought that it was added to this fucking one sheet of here, but there's a study that we saw that said like a black cop is just as likely to shoot an unarmed black person as a white person is. So how is more black cops the solution if they don't take the same actions as white cops? And for us, we analyze the police as a system, you feel me? So we see the police as a system that hasn't changed in slavery, right? So the first cop was a slave owner or a slave patroller. Men of a black person ran off the plantation, they finna go get the black person off the plantation and bring him back to the plantation. You feel me? The first sheriff, same exact sheriff star, it's the same shit we see today, right? So we see policing as a system, right? So even if anybody, like, you could have good intentions, right? But all right, I'm gonna go change things from the inside, but you go into the system and it's like, okay, it's black cop versus the white cop. Which is essentially like, you know, the topic of reform that we talked about. It's literally impossible to infiltrate, I'm gonna say impossible, because like if you do infiltrate and you do change it, that's not reform, that's revolution. So it's impossible to like work within the system and have different results. You can't, it's simple cause and effect, at least in my perspective, right? Like one plus one is always one equal to, the car is gonna drive away. So it's like, if you're driving the car, I'm driving the car, it's gonna function the same way. So whether that person in blue is black or that person in blue is white, that person in blue is yellow, that badge will operate the same way that's designed to operate. So we've had black police chiefs. Yeah, yeah, please, we can talk about that. Our scene though is happening. Yeah, we're gonna get to that later. We're gonna be gonna speak on that, yeah. We talk about systems, it don't matter what system, whether it's education, whether it's prison, whether it's police, it don't matter what system it is, it's gonna operate the way it's designed to operate. And I work in education, that's it. And so do I, yeah. I see it for how it is. Like it's like, it's something, really trying to colonize our own minds and think about this, think about that. Like, all right, yeah, I'm finna go to college and get a nine to five award at Goldman Sachs. But I'm finna forget it by my community. I don't know. But yeah, no, I appreciate your challenges. We got questions, but I didn't even wanna say we went to the end, but I also don't want y'all to lose your thought. So I don't know, it's hella black, we really don't give a fuck, so it can go however we're supposed to go. But it's so, if you wanna ask a question right now, if you think it's like pressing, you should go ahead and ask it. We had a hand right here, I don't know. Both of y'all had hands of it. I don't really, do you care? All right, go ahead. My brother, I mean, you should probably, I'm sure you got that from what I just said. Not even being funny. I don't fuck the police at all. Yeah, I would say like, I got one of my closest. So what do you say about black? One of my closest friends is a cop. One of my closest friends asked to come here. I said, you can come, but you can't wear that. That shit, you know what I'm saying? You can't talk. You for sure can't arrest nobody. Like, I mean, I feel like some cops, some black cops have good intention, but for me, it's not about intent, it's about impact. I don't give a fuck what y'all intentions are. It's about the impact that you have on the community. So I feel like a lot of cops, you know, a lot of black people, cause we taught, right? And it's also perpetuating the same system that, you know, marginalized and oppressed. They tell us like, I think that's like one of the, the reoccurring things of white supremacy is like integration. Like if you do this, this will happen. If you come and join our, if you come and join our system, things will change. So they tell us we need more black politicians. We need more black DAs. We need more black people that essentially help this system function. So it's like, we see that happen. You got black DAs right here. We got black, we got black police officers right here. You know, I posted a tweet like a month ago in Chicago, and it was the caption was like, we just need more black police officers. You know, it's this black man beating the fuck out of a black pedestrian. A black police officer beating the living shit out of a black citizen. So it's like- Black man showing up for the white car. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, it's literally a system, bro. Like if like, you get in there and they're like, there are fucking rules and ways that things work that you just have to abide by. And if you no longer operate anybody on the rules, for one, you're not gonna last long. For sure, like that's just, they have a code that they live by. You can ask anybody in blue, they have a code they live by. So you're not gonna last long, or you'll never, you'll never even make it do to be able to put your blues on 100%. I had a cousin that signed up for that shit. My nigga, White Davis, thinking about being a cop, and he just was not fucking with it once he saw what it really was. And I think if you would get the white case of Freddie Gray, you had a bunch of black cops who arrested him. The most powerful, like what the fuck was Obama saying about Freddie Gray? What the fuck was Obama saying about Mike Brown? Mike Brown, he was like, oh, these thugs and Ferguson need to pull their pants up. And then just stop writing. What was commending the white kids when they was fucking? But then he's over here, like praising Rahm Emanuel in Chicago, the mayor of Chicago, like oh, Rahm Emanuel, he was such a great mayor. What the fuck? Tell that 16 shots, like what the fuck? So again, tell that to who? That's my auntie here, you guys have a question. That was heavy. That's your auntie. That's what you can tell, that's what you can tell where I get it from, right? So basically you say how... Amongst black people, basically like, how do blacks... How do black people police themselves? Well, I would, I said we can't even look at Africa without looking at Europe, right? Because even though Africa might be black, right? You might have a black face on the system. You used to have a neo-colonial, that's still a colonized empire. So when I say neo-colonial, I'm saying like, yeah, that shit's still colonized by white people, but you have a black face at the front of it. I think we should do whatever we was doing before white people came here. Whatever we was doing before white folks came here is what we should get back to. Because I think even the whole thought process and system of policing is some white shit. That shit's just like, I think that's like all a reflection of white people. I don't know my history enough to say what black, from what Africans were doing before colonization to police and control themselves, but I'm sure it wasn't with these white people. But like, I went to South Africa and that shit was hella mania, it reminded me of America. Like, because it's apartheid, right? It's segregation. So it's like, you go to shanty towns, you see black people, you go to the rich areas, shit that looked like San Francisco, you only see white people in South Africa. And these white people have the fucking nerves to call themselves African. Like, Ellen, what's the name? Ellen Musk or some shit? Is that his name? Yvonne. Yvonne. From Tesla? Yeah, that Tesla, he tried to, like, oh yeah, I'm from South Africa, and they're like, you're white, bro. Shut up, like. But I think a lot of it in Africa is still colonized, right? So if you have educational systems, you have a lot of missionaries, too. You know, you have a lot of school systems that are founded by, like, white missionaries. So it's like, you indoctrinate the mind. If you can't free the mind, what you gonna do with yourself? You feel me? So I think a lot of it is just the indoctrination that a lot of Africans face. So it's like, if you hide people from your history, you don't know your true history. Just like, we don't know our true history. You read a fucking textbook in fourth grade and that's just saying, oh, black people immigrated from Africa to be workers. What the fuck? Like, for real, that should really be saying that's just some textbooks in public schools. Especially from Texas, nigga. You get a history textbook from Texas, don't you, niggas? Yeah. You know what's happening. And I will also look at, like, look at most of the reasons why we need police. It's all a result of capitalism, you feel me? My fuck is being poor and not having enough resources so they out here taking shit, mental hospitals being closed down so people not getting the treatment that they need. So I think even though, I think police are just a result of a capitalistic society, of a white supremacist society. They, in my opinion, they're the gatekeepers of white supremacy. So like, even if we look here in Oakland, if we look at Oakland school police, Oakland school police only started once black people started migrating from the South to Oakland. And why do they start, oh, we have a bunch of black kids in these schools. So we don't have police for schools. Like, what the fuck? Like, we need police for like fourth graders, third graders. Shit, I see. We don't have any mental health counselors. In Oakland right now, they're cutting fucking free meals for school kids. But how much money is the police making? And the city of Oakland, half the budget goes to the police. What the fuck is the police doing besides harassing people? Sex trafficking. And that's where the money is going to, but it ain't going to the teachers. Why aren't teachers making it six figures? But five, oh, who don't, you know, all they have to have is a GED and they're making six figures. And I think those are questions we should be asking. Those are some questions we should be moving about, you feel me? Because if we ain't moving about it, this shit gonna keep coming, keep coming, keep coming. They cutting sports teams. Why the fuck, like, Brad, that's why I fucking hate capitalism because that should be taking having money on my motherfucking check. First of all, like, Brad, I could, I mean, I could go to Ruth Chris a little more for it. It wasn't taking money on my check, you feel me? It's taking money out of my check and it's going to what? The fucking police. So I could say, fuck 12, all I want. But my money is still going to that fucking pig outside. You probably listened to this podcast. Yeah, fuck OPD. I said that. I'm not letting you listen to fuck O until a pro. I'm a mama. No, I said that. I don't even know what we stand for. I think the whole, not I think, I know the whole, just if everything that we said is like, it's important that we analyze systems and understand how they function and how they work and understand, like, it doesn't matter who's at the head of the system, the system is gonna function the exact way that it's designed to. So it don't matter what black we put in power, if they try to make a capitalistic system function, it's gonna function the way it's supposed to and you know, all skin folk ain't joking folk. Who coined that term? Y'all know? It was a black woman. Mama, it's a- It's like, I don't want to give it to Crenshaw, but I, it was for short coin by a black woman. Oh, it's a black woman. Yeah. I don't know what AB just said, but that's a black woman, right? It's a girl, Neil Hurston. Sir Neil Hurston? Look, I can't hear about these motherfucking hand phones all the fuck. You gotta keep your shirt on. Zora Neil Hurston. Let's say that together. Like I said, it was a black woman who coined the fucking term. So give them their motherfucking props as always. Hey, we gonna, we gonna say her name. All right, let's do it on three. One, two, three. Zora Neil Hurston. Boom. Say her name. Black women make the world go round as usual. They don't talk about it. Shout out to Zora. But yeah, I think that's a good segue to talk about just like, people talk about freedom. I'll talk about freedom. I'll talk about liberation. Y'all niggas want liberation. Free that shit. Y'all talking about. Damn, this shit was quiet as fuck. Maybe niggas like the system. I think a lot of us like it more than we like to admit. Y'all niggas like want freedom? The niggas want liberation. That's the question. I would hope so. All right, shit, me too. Fuck. So we do understand that like. I think I'm out of it. I gotta go, bro. There's some fares in here. Fares, watch it. God damn. This is sweet. Oftentimes when we think about liberation, no, I feel like we know what we know. And what I mean by that is we know the system that we know. So oftentimes we try to recreate the system that we know, right? So a lot of people be like, hey, bro, you feel me? We gotta get liberated. So I'm just gonna only spend black. Hashtag by black, bro. Often it's just boycott. Like how do you boycott capitalism? For real, like you go to your grocery store. Hey, is it, was this fish? We just need Black Wall Street, bro. Black Wall Street is the answer. I don't give a fuck. Black Wall Street, nigga. That's all we need, bro. As if black folks wasn't still poor and fucking Tulsa, as if they didn't bond the niggas. Hey, yo, money is not a- Hey, bud, bro, if you just, if you just poach your pants up, bro, we would probably be okay, bro. If you just poach your pants up, nigga, if you all right, we're just fine. Bro, if you just bang black, bro, for real. If you get a black credit card. I'm trying to tell you, if you get this rush card. Rush card. If you direct the positive, it will stop the police from stopping the frisking. If more niggas bang black, instead of buying Jordans, we'll be all right. I'm trying to tell you, come on, man. God damn. Don't we just playing? I hope y'all don't think we believe that shit. If y'all niggas just stop buying Louisville's and invest it into the community, I think we'd be all right. How much dollars you spend on fucking Jordans, but you don't invest in your own property? You know, niggas be saying some wild shit about that. No, niggas say shit like that, bro. Niggas like, oh, bro, if niggas just stop buying Jordans, my brown might not have been killed. Like, nigga, what the fuck? Black is one of the biggest nifts. But when I was younger, like, I kind of believed that shit. I'm like, and a black dollar would just solve everything. Hey, recycle the black dollar, bruh. We spend $1.3 billion every year, bro. Why can't we recycle it? Until I started getting some money and I realized motherfuckers around me are still poor. Until I started getting some money and I realized that motherfuckers still going without food and shelter. Until I started getting some money and realized that she wasn't gonna stop me from getting put over by the police for the color of my skin. Did you show her the hairy tub in the morning? I showed her that I had a job. I showed her that I had a nice haircut. For real, like, you know? Ain't stopped nothing, though. But I think the big, like, just a few statistics, like the five largest white landowners own more land than all black people can bond. Like, five, bruh, that's one fucking hand, bruh. So five people really own, five white people own more land than all black people. But we're supposed to, like, somehow just, like, oh, save your money, don't buy Jordans, and we could all of a sudden just be like white people. But this land isn't even white people's. Nigga, we own only land, bruh. Yeah, we own Native American land right now. This land ain't ours. You feel me? This is Native American land. Facts. You feel me? So it's like, they own all the wealth, but why would we wanna do the same shit they wanna do? Why would we wanna have, okay, why would we wanna have, like, a black president if it's a black president of a fucking empire? Nigga, like, over 180 military bases throughout the world, and Obama was the fucking person dropping the bombs. I don't care if the bombs is black, I still ain't fucked with bombs. Free Palestine, you feel me? Free all the, you feel me? Free everybody that's oppressed by America, because, like, one thing is, like, yeah, black people were oppressed here. Our labor is used to oppress, you feel me? Like, our labor is used to build, like, all this capital, all this money so the U.S. can be on some bullshit. So, like, I ain't feel to be like, nah. Like, oh yeah, what support is real? Nah, fuck Israel. That shit has no, that has no right to exist. It has no right to exist. That's the Palestinian people's land. Thanks. You feel me? And it's important for us as black people to pay attention to, like, what's going on in the world. You feel me? And being a solidarity with other people, you feel me? Who is being oppressed, but, like, if they on some fuck shit, it's a man to a black shit. I ain't fucking with that. Yeah, you look back at the Panthers, like, Huey and them niggas was going all over the world, tapping in with the people who was the most oppressed and marginalized from their respective countries, right? So, like I say, a lot of people, especially Bay Area folks, Bay Area black folks love to idealize the fucking Panthers, but, like, they love, they love doing that shit. I didn't see motherfuckers, the most homophobic niggas with pictures of Huey on state backgrounds. Like, did you read Huey though? Like, do you know this nigga's politics, right? This nigga was saying, like, in the 60s and 70s, right? Amiding the Black Panther Party with gay liberation movements. Huey was learning himself for any liberation movement. Anything that was anti-white supremacist, I think it was fucking with this shit. Anything that was pro, and anything that was not anti-black and that was anti-white supremacy, the Black Panther was fucking with it. Period point blank. So we'll get a time right now where we try to organize for liberation and freedom. And it's important that we link up with people across the globe, right? Cause there's somewhere in another country, there's motherfuckers like us. They scan might not be black, but they going through the same old precious shit that we going through. It's not even across the country, it's motherfucking white people out here who can't see past their skin color. That's going through the same shit that we going through. Four years ago, living in trailer parks and shit. Like, we driving through Yuba, you feel me? And I see a Confederate flag, I'm like, bruh, your house, hell of a fuck it up. Like, nigga, you living in shit? Yo shit is a shack, bruh. Like, yo shit is dirt as fuck. Nigga, you got a fucking Confederate flag, like, bruh. Like, my gold teeth cost more than your fucking house type shit, bruh. You ain't fucking like, bruh. That was a little bit of lead-us, but you know. That was hella lead-us. Fuck nigga. Oh, shit. Oh, fuck. But they still be like, oh, yeah, fuck you black people. Like, Confederate shit. You know? But there's still be some poor ass white people. But like, why are they racist, right? They buy into racism as a system for a reason to think that they're better than us, right? Do you think racism will always trump everything else, like classism, sexism, ableism? Do you think racism trumps all that shit? I also think like, some of those things that I just named are like, subsets of racism, like, results of racism? I don't think it gets separated. They're like, oh. I respect, I ain't even gonna say what I'm about to say, but yeah, I give up. Nah, cause like, I will be hella be using intersectionality the wrong way. But it's love, I give what you're saying, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Nah, I 100% feel you 100% right for sure. Yeah. I don't know, sorry, I don't know. But yeah, I think it's all in its role. They're all interconnected. You can't separate race from class. Cause if you look who's poorest, who's poorest. Boy, I feel like people try to like, separate them when it's beneficial. Oh yeah, that's cause like identity politics, right? Like black folks, right? Like, I think for black men, for example, and this is like, you know, they just take it separate, they fuck they want them to. But I think a lot of black men want like, black folks to put blackness before it. Race first, like, race first, Brad. Yeah, before that sexual. Wait a minute, talk about sex while the wing will talk about gender. But you feel me? They don't get it when white folks do it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, we can't understand how like poor white folks, you feel me, will put, they race before they class, but we can see and understand what we need for black folks to put blackness before everything else, before gender, before sexuality, you know, as well to me, Brad. I said, Brad, I think a lot of black folks try to like, they don't really own them to how much they fuck with the system as much as they do. And I see it in homophobia and transphobia all the time, bro. Cause that shit is nothing but the emulation of white supremacy. Right. Nothing but that, right? Like, I'll ask you this question. I was like, bro, how is it that we as black folks could understand the wrongness and mistreating somebody and marginalize somebody, you know, pressing somebody because of their skin color, but we can't seem to understand it when it comes to sexuality and gender. Like, that makes no sense to me, bro. Like, we quick to press a white person for some races acts, but we'll let misogyny war, which is like misogyny angst strictly towards black women, and we'll let homophobia and transphobia get a pass. That shit like baffles me, bro. I be so reflection, so lost. If anybody got the answer, I'm going to hear it, but I just don't get how, like I said, we as black folks can understand racism, but we can't understand homophobia and transphobia. If we want to be free, it got to be all of us. You feel me? How do you say like black lives matter, but have a certain section of black people that- Only straight black lives matter, and only straight male black lives matter. And then after that it could be straight. Cause if we look at oppression, oppression don't work like that. You feel me? Like, so like black men ain't just going to be free. Like that shit ain't just going to work. Like in order for black men to be free, black women got to be free. Black queer folks got to be free. If it be black trans folks, it's going to be free. That's what I'm going to say. It's all of us or none of us, you feel me? Cause even then, if it is just all black folks all black straight men are being free, that's not liberation. That's black male supremacy. Like, let's call it black straight up, like just say what it is. You know what I'm saying? And it's wild because like black queer folks, trans folks, and black women have been at the head of all of our fucking movements as black women. We like to use them. You feel me? We like to use them. Like y'all go out there and risk your lives. Y'all go out there and put in all that work and then we're going to reap the benefits. That's the sense of what we've been doing. And then erase the history. So that's the white shit. That sounds like, yeah. That's the white shit. That's the white blood doing that shit. That sounds like some milleted shit. Somebody said, yeah. Who said milleted? My nigga, Kai, called it colorless. Colorless, yeah. That was the funniest shit I've ever heard. Colorless. Oh, fuck. So I think the next thing we want to segue into is community work. Hell, yeah. Shout out to all the volunteers that fuck with People's Breakfast Oakland. That mean coming out and pulling up with us. Shout out to everybody that's ever donated. Appreciate that shit a lot. Yeah, for real. It's unfortunate. I say this shit all the time. It's unfortunate that we got to do this work. Because there's for show somebody who's getting paid in the city of Oakland. That it's their job to make sure that people are fed and clothed and housed. Yeah. Why does she make probably like half a million years? What's the point of Libby Shaff when we got People's Breakfast Oakland? That's what I'm trying to tell you. How many people has Libby Shaff felt fed? I've never seen Libby Shaff in the field. I've never seen her. I've never seen her. I don't even know what Libby Shaff. If Libby Shaff could be amongst us right now, I would not be able to point her out. I would point her out. If she was here, I would say something. I should probably figure out what she's like. She's like, ah. Yeah. She's never even gonna drop on me. I'm sorry. I only used that to tell you, okay? I'm not even gonna vote to him. But anyway, community work, I think it's important to be in the community because I think a lot of times when you think about activism, you think about like, shit, you just see like, oh, Van Jones on the TV or something shit like that. You see people doing these speaking engagements and shit, I guess. I guess we're doing those speaking engagements. Yeah. And that's why. Well, that's our first one. We really been doing- It was free. This shit was free. It was free. We could easily charge white folks $100 a ticket and did this shit at New Paris. No lie. I bet we would have sold that motherfucker out. I promise you. But we want accessible and our shit is really for white folks. But we- Yeah. I think it's important to send it to the like most marginalized. You feel me? Like really an ugly, you really got people right now living in the streets, bro. Like not knowing where the next meal finna be, right? Not knowing when the next shower finna be. Not knowing where they're gonna get their next clothes from. You know what I'm saying? Like average people too. It's not like people be like, oh, it's just drug addicts. And if you say, if you say it's just drug addicts, I'm just also like, Brad, those people matter too. You feel me? Like addiction isn't like a disease. You know what I'm saying? Like why are we just gonna be like, oh, just because you do drugs, you should not be cared about. Like why the fuck do we spend half our fucking budget in the Oakland on the police but not drug addiction centers? Where people couldn't fucking, you feel me? Get rehabilitation services, right? But if you think about gentrification, Brad, it's like a lot of us is two or three paychecks away from being out there. I'm lucky. I was about to say I'm lucky enough to have two jobs, but I don't think that's luck. That's capitalism. Bullshit, nigga. But like, nigga, we was just last year, me and this nigga Blake, I can remember last year and like, we were stressing, stressing like down to our last dollars, no job. Like, Brad, like, really about to split, like go to Jack in the Box. Like, you know, you get like two tacos for a dollar, like, like how was nigga spend the last? So it's like, for me being someone that, nigga, my mama was on the fucking food stamps, all that shit section that, you know what I'm saying? So for me, empathy plays a big role in why I do what I do. Just cause I know for a fact, that could have easily been me if I didn't have a big ass family. Like me, I'm lucky enough right now to live with my great aunt and like two or three of my cousins, nigga, we making shit work. You feel what I'm saying? But like, not everyone is lucky enough to have that resource. I met a woman, I'm a West Oakland, who's like 70 years old, bro. And she's living on the street, bro. And she's from Louisiana. She has zero family out here. I don't, she probably, she may not have no family a lot. She probably got like some great nieces and nephews and shit, you know? But like you said, we all in this climate, with the way that rain is, we all a couple of checks away unless you're fortunate enough to have you for me. I don't know, they said it's been shit like nigga, even $120,000 is fucking low income. And it's there now. I don't know what you niggas do for work. God damn. We might be some wallets here, but a nigga like me, you know what I'm saying? If I didn't have two jobs and fucking low ass rent from living with my family, I could be houses, be homeless for real. Yeah. So I think that's why it's important. Like when we talk about organizing, you talk about community work. It's like, yeah, protests, they're important. But like, I don't know for me, you know, I did a lot of black student organizing, you know, Fannie Williams, Black Resource Center helped like build that out and stuff like that. But I'm also like, what impact am I having on the people that I see every day in West Oakland? What impact am I having on, you know, the most marginalized, you feel me like, most oppressed people under capitalism? What am I doing? Like, why am I walking past people and not doing nothing? Like I felt sick. I don't feel cool walking past people and be like, bro, I really ain't got no dollar. You feel me? And I think that's why it's important that we center the most. You feel me? The people who need it the most, right? If you look at the Black Panther Party, the Black Panther Party, their first program was a free breakfast program. For kids. For kids. And now today, you feel me? We have, we literally have fucking budget cuts for the city of Oakland for schools where kids ain't gonna get food. How are you supposed to learn if you're on an empty stomach? If you an adult, and I know like most of us aren't here, I've been to work before on an empty stomach. Nigga, I cannot focus. Bro, if you ever- I can't get shit done. If you've been around me in the Lansing when we hungry, I'm like that nigga from the Snickers commercial. I'm a totally different person. I am an asshole. I'll own up to that shit. If I'm hungry, I'm, yeah, you know. So imagine what kids, bro, who they don't have, don't have nearly as much self-control or fucking perspective or consciousness than we have, bro. You want me to fuck with a multiplication table and I'm hungry? Bro, what the fuck? So this shit is just like, like the bare necessities, right? Like you should be able to have food. You should be able to have shelter. But we, what do we, this fucking government gives around years away billions and billions of dollars of wasted food. So we gonna waste hella fucking food. Whole foods gonna throw hella shit out. All these fucking gentrified restaurants gonna throw hella food out. Niggas illegal to get food away with no permit. But we do it. Shit is illegal. Niggas can literally pull up on us like, we all shit it. Yeah. Yeah. We're supposed not to ask them to fuck OPT. On that option. Yeah. Whatever. It's late in the year. Hey, how long have we been recording? I don't know. It's like 755. Everybody's still in this motherfucker. Wow. That shit. Y'all ain't got tired of us? I would get tired of me. I'm like, bruh. Like, I don't listen to myself too late. I listen to myself too late. Damn, bro. Your voice hella ugly, bruh. Like, come on, come on. But I think the next shit we really wanna talk about too was just like about Oakland politics. You feel me? Like it's an election year. Y'all familiar with this shit right now? Like an election year right now. Libby Shaff. Yeah, retweet that, bruh. I'll say that again, bruh. Please. But Libby Shaff over here really trying to, you know, get elected again, bruh. And like, I remember really being Daniel right out here and it was a say her name protest, right? And say her name was a protest that was organized by people in Oakland. You feel me? To like highlight the brutality and the police violence against black women, right? So oftentimes we hear black lives matter. Is she saying it in Oakland? He is saying it. I mean, I think so. I don't know if he did that. You know what I'm saying? But there was a say her name protest out here, right? Because oftentimes when we think about black lives matter, the first people you think about is like black men. But we also know that black women be murdered, black trans women be murdered at the hands of the police. Right, so it's important to say say her name to uplift like black women that be murdered by the police, right? So we're having this protest out here, literally like right outside, you feel me? And Libby Shaff, she put a curfew order in itself that you can't protest at night time. Option. That's like the definition of option. What else are you supposed to organize, nigga? Like, she literally banned, and the very first time that she was enforced was when we were protesting for like black women, specifically, right? So Libby Shaff, she's always like, oh, I'm a feminist, like, but when we were protesting for black women, she only cared about white women. Feel me? So it's like Libby Shaff really was like, bro, I was out there. That shit was maybe as fuck. I was like, yeah. High school feminists and you don't fucking fire the niggas who was raping that young girl. That's your trigger warning, you know? That's your content warning. That's what was filed. Not only did she not, she did not speak out against them niggas at all. She didn't have nothing to say. She tried to cover it up until she got, until the shit got exposed. Oh, P.D., bein' on some foul shit. Fuck off P.D., bro. Bein' on some foul shit, for real. Since the beginning of time. Yeah, I mean, the first police was like patrollers, and then they came over to Oakland to do the same shit. Libby been on. But yeah, if like, she really just did all that shit, you feel me? And then the whole sex trafficking shit, right? Where O.P.D. was literally sex trafficking, an underage woman. Like, right out here. A girl, a girl, a girl. Yeah, not a woman. She was underaged. Three police chiefs in nine days. And she's supposed to run the city of Oakland? But like, shouldn't we still be talking about that though? If like, you really about feminism and liberation and equity and equality, shouldn't that still be on the good brains? Like, that's some shit we should not forget, right? But that shit is swept under the roof, you know? So I was like, when we talk about this election season, it's like, bro, why the fuck would you vote for a person who covered all that shit up? If you can vote, you feel me? I ain't gonna say voting is some liberation shit, because the fuck I was supposed to vote, man. Vote my way to freedom. I think political power without the barrel of a gun. She, if I'm gonna be honest. So funny. But. I think Libby is one of those folks you really gotta judge by their actions. But she'll smile on your face, you know, and she'll get, you know, step her into commercial, she'll be out there, like, you know. But at the same time, putting in policies that, you know, disadvantage black folks. Not firing. Bro, there was literally 14 pigs involved at OPD. Some of them still working. So what does that say? Promoted to, say that. You feel me? So you can do all that shit, you can get promoted. Do all that. Three police chiefs. How the fuck are you still married? In nine days, nigga. The shit is literally crumbling in front of you. You still have to talk. But that shows really how the police is an institution, right? So we're talking about good cop, bad cop, right? So you promote the next person in line. The next person in line is connected. You promote the next person in line. The next person in line is connected. You promote the next person in line. The next person in line is connected. So all the motherfuckers had to go to where they appointed a city administrator. And now they got some white person from Chicago as the head of chief of police. The fucking niggas saying in Chicago, like they're doing fucking bait trucks and shit. Putting free nikes out and fucking arresting niggas. Niggas like literally like fucking like, what do you call that shit? Like tempting the poor. Like we know you niggas ain't got enough. Come get it. Come on. Baiting niggas, that's sick. I'm not surprised though, it's white America for you. Fuck 12. The niggas came like, there's nothing that the police can do that surprises me. Especially when it's in the efforts of like oppressing and marginalizing black folks and enslaving black folks. There's nothing that the police can do to surprise me at this point. Nothing bro, at all. I mean it's like why we have private prisons now. Right? Private prisons are now like, Brad like if you wanted to invest in private prisons, all y'all niggas could get on Robin Hood right now and invest in that shit. And the fucked up shit part would be like, it's actually a good investment because 95% of it has to stay in jail. They gonna stay in jail. Because 95% of them have to be filled at all times. We gonna make sure of it. Right? So we're talking about all this wildfires and shit. Who's finding the wildfires? Prisoners. Prisoners. Black people. I don't know a bunch of niggas that's been in fire camps. And when niggas was telling me all the niggas in fire camp when I was younger, I'm like, okay, that's like, you gotta get out early and talk shit. I didn't know niggas was actually fighting fires. With no training. Like, he's just throwing a nigga out there like, yo, niggas use this hose. Come on, make it happen. Make it shit at eight o'clock right now. Yeah. Y'all fucking with Hella Black Podcast? Yeah. I appreciate y'all, you feel me? I definitely appreciate y'all for letting us listen to us. Bro, Hella Black talk our shit. Hella Black is about us. You feel me? Like, it might be us up here, but this shit is about us as a community. Bro, like, this shit ain't bigger than us. You feel me? It's about all of us. You feel me? Because when it's time to ride, you feel me? Y'all gotta be ready to ride, you know what I'm saying? You feel me? We're educating ourselves, so I appreciate y'all for really pulling up on a Friday. You know what I'm saying? We out here drinking patronica and dog water, you know what I'm saying? I'm grateful for y'all fucking with us. For real, for real. It should make me happy. Don't, we're about to do this Q&A, but please don't ask no homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic-ass question, because you might get blended. At this point, please don't ask us no shit like that. But we can do Q&A, whoever want to, AB, you want to facilitate this? For sure. That shit ain't gonna go that far. How it's not gonna, oh we can do like, raise your hand. We'll just repeat the question. We're gonna have to finish some shit. Nah, I'm not sure. Oh yeah, you want to make like a little, time to wind up here? If Niggas fucking with you, if not, we'll go about that. Y'all should have questions. Hello? No, that one is this one. That's what it is. This one. Let me take this one. All right. Can we give up one more time, please? Let's do the next Q&A. Thank y'all for your stuff, and we would like, I love your mouth, it makes me drunk. I love it, it makes me drunk. In the public, in front of some white people. Probably. Because the white people here know, that's why they hear it's called a little black, so. Yeah. Yeah, straight one. Have I got questions though? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, you don't have to repeat that. You know, it's what we don't do. Y'all say fuck all PP's so slow, what y'all gonna do? Bro, I'ma, I got this one so you can use this one. I ain't gonna lie, bro. I think about that shit every day, like okay, so I talk all this shit about fuck the police, freedom niggas, but it's not just like I just want the police to be gone. I want everything that allows the police to function, and that makes the police a necessity to be gone. So I feel like if like motherfuckers ain't poor, if we got mental health institutions, I feel like it won't be no need for them niggas. That's just my perspective. I don't know, that's like, that could be some, what they call the shit utopian perspective, but I don't think so. I feel like if the conditions that allow for the police to be a necessity are eradicated, which is like, they don't exist anymore, I feel like there'll be no need for the police. That's just how I look at it. It's like if we invest the same money that is invested in police, and we invest that money in the education, it's like why don't we have fucking mental health counselors? Why doesn't everybody got food? You feel me? I think if we take that money away, but it's also like, I don't know, people, I think people be like, oh, what are we like, who you gonna call if somebody gonna rob you? I've never called the police a day in my life. I'm for the call myself, because I'm from the hand of my shit type. You feel me? Like I got some shit popped off, shit popped off before you feel me? Who am I calling? I think about like my niggas, I'm sorry. I'm gonna call my niggas first. I ain't finna call 911, I'm finna call Rolo. Like I'm finna call AB, finna call Shadow, you feel me? I'm finna call my auntie, you know what I'm saying? But like, if shit really popped off, like the first thing I don't think about, like I think the only, the first time I called 911, I was like five, I thought it was a joke. Like, I doubt that shit 911 was like, they're like 911, what's your emergency? I said, I got nine. You know what I'm saying? But I think if we invest the money, you feel me? Into like educational programs. Like, bruh, why is 501 roaming the street? Why don't we have social workers roaming the street? Why don't we have mental health therapists roaming the street? You feel me? Why don't we have teachers roaming the street? Why don't we have a fucking free full truck roaming the street? Bruh, like bruh, if you hungry, you might get angry. Right, yeah. And if you angry, you might pop off all the motherfuckers. I, for real, I gotta check myself. I'm like, damn, I need to eat before I pop off, cause I ain't, you know, I ain't gonna need to talk to somebody before I pop off. I need to talk. You feel me? It was a lot of times where I felt like popping off, where I called my niggas like, bruh, what's going on? I got to talk, like, what's talk. You feel me? So it's like... I can't think of the one year. Go ahead, my fuck. Yeah, I just think about looking at alternatives and like, I feel like a lot of people in this room are like, well, we ain't calling 911 when shit really pops off. Like, we don't call 911 for advice. Like, if a barbecue was happening and people are making noise, you know what I'm saying? It's about looking at it as a collective. You know, when we talk about capitalism, we should think about other alternatives, right? So if we look at like Mandela Food Collective in the West, you feel me? That's like a socialist intervention. You feel me? Where it's not safe way where you have one owner. It's all the people working in the owners. And then you don't just have a white man in the suit looking over everybody. You feel me? You have all the people are the workers, all the people are the owners. So I think like, just looking at like, bruh, like, what does it mean to look after each other? Fine, you feel me? It's like, what does it mean to like, you know, not just be on your iPhone with your AirPods in and paying attention to shit? You know what I'm saying? Like if some shit pop off, I'm gonna intervene. I fucking hate this shit where people be on their phones, just video recording shit all the time. It's like, intervene, bruh. You see a black person being brutalized by the police. A black person being brutalized by white supremacists. I ain't finna call 911. I finna call my niggas and I'm finna just act, bruh. Like straight right there. I'm on a tangent, I'm gonna stop. I feel it too, nobody else did. Yeah, I'm on a tangent, that's why I'm on a tangent. Do we got any other questions? For real, I know you all got questions, because... Hey, AB, pass the mind to Goodmine or quick, no, that's the issue. Thank you. Woo! I just wanna say, with the retrospect of the position of mayor, you know, when you speak about Libby Shab, you're not doing her beautiful job, but if you had anyone that you would like to uplift to do what you got would be... What's my cat, Brooks? Cat Brooks. Cat Brooks, like, that's somebody you can do just by the actions. Cat Brooks is hella in the field. Like when Rest in Peace, Tania Wilson, when they were organizing and marching for Nia's death, Cat Brooks was frontline with the shit. Not no fucking office, not doing interviews. She was frontline with the shit, as black women always are, frontline with the shit. So, Cat Brooks, I don't even believe in, like, I don't think that, like, liberation's gonna come through the same system that's gonna enslave us. I've said that, like, 10 times today. She don't either. I don't believe in that shit. That's what I'm saying. Like, Cat Brooks is like a revolution, not reform of, like, I fuck with her the long way. And I ain't never voted a day in my life, but I'm for show, I'm going for Cat Brooks. Period. Yeah, and part of her platform is divesting from OPD. Like, what the fuck? That's dope. Yeah, we knew. You ain't never heard a nigga say no shit like that. Who ever said that? You feel me? So I was like, but it's also hard when you have a radical politic like that to get elected. She should be the next uncle mayor. I'm my mama. You feel me? She should be, but if she isn't, it's not because she didn't win, she didn't run a real campaign. It's because she didn't have a Democratic machine supporting her. When I talk about the Democratic machine, I'm talking about millions and millions of dollars funding people. You feel me? Her shit is completely grassroots, completely in the field. Look at the budgets between Libby and Cat. Like, they're, you talking about millions of dollars and you talking about a hundred thousand. Like, not hundreds of thousands. Like, it's the, it's ridiculous. It's a step, right? So organizing luckily is a step. You feel me? But it ain't finna free us all. Ain't should, you know, like, she ain't gonna be perfect if she gets elected because we're still existing on the Capitol. She's still a sister. Trump, that fucking orange motherfucker still finna be president. Jerry Brown, that old ass motherfucker still finna be governor. Or, you know, I know it's election year and shit, but. Yeah, it's election year. Jerry Brown, the fucking judge of the whole thing. But that's a whole other story. That's a whole other story. Yeah. But the other people. Straight like that. Gavin Newsom on some other shit, too. Any other questions? Yo, I don't think I'm in with that shit. I'm like, you know where I live. Nah. Nah. What we did when the junk folks coming up the knuckle. And it's sad for me to hear what you guys are saying because the medicine said, what did we do to maintain it? Maintain that movement. That, you know, as you hear it, I want to see these faces at the schools, okay? And walk in the classroom or whatever. But that's what's needed. So that's the first grassroots step. And I just want to ask, where is the community? Where is the African community? Because I grew up at Memorial Park, Recreation Center and all. And if I had come in time, I knew Bernadette Sturdell who would tell my mother that she's right there on the shelves. So I'm asking us, whatever it will be, we're gonna take all of them and we'll keep them. Anymore, anymore. Yeah, okay, follow that. She a OUSD school teacher for 42 years, right? See, I know the history. Like, for real. Yeah. You don't have to get your ass up, boy. This is about as far as it's gonna go. Yeah, peace, everybody. I just wanted to ask about, like, even though this is stolen land, even though these indigenous people that lived here before us were genocidal, we murdered, God had 49 years of minors, that's another thing. This, how do we use this land to produce food for our people? Like, how can we stop the line on these corporations to bring us food, but in reality, just produce our own food? And how do we just, what y'all think about that? How do we do that in a way that's the column? Shit, in my mind, I'm thinking of this plot that I got in North Oakland. That's one thing I can think of of using that space to grow fresh produce. I know AB has a food bank. I know that Blake is using resources at Cal Berkeley to create a garden. And it's literally just like doing, like using the resources that we have and doing what we can to produce our own. That's how I see it. I think it's really building in this room, you feel me? It's like, we all have different skills. You feel me? Different privileges, different resources and shit. So it's like, I might not know shit about having some chickens, but somebody might know some shit about having some chickens. So I go over to your house to get my eggs instead of going to Safeway. But you know, I got the spinach, you feel me? I got the hot sauce or something shit like that. You know what I'm saying? But it's like looking to alternatives than capitalism, right? So it's looking like no one are neighbors. You feel me? No one who's in this room is like, all right. We really don't, that's the shit that I really wanna get her at is like we don't gotta depend on nobody for it, but ourselves and be like, I'm some real shit. Like we can like fuck a dollar at some dead slave masters, right? But how can we exchange our goods that we have, right? So if AB over here got tomatoes and lettuce and chicken, and I got, you know, some bread that I was making. You know what I'm saying? It's like, all right, yeah, the chicken might be a little bit more worth than the bread. So I'm gonna give you more bread. You feel me? You're gonna give me a little less chicken. But we just exchange and we ain't think about Venmo. And I think that shit is good. For real, like I'm not even trying to be funny. Like we thinking about different shit than the shit that we know, we ain't think about cash out. We ain't think about technology. But what is that like day to day shit, that day to day interaction that we have with each other? And I think that shit is like good practice for like how we wanna live post revolution. If we are lucky enough to live in a society post revolution, right? Like let's start practicing the things that we wanna see how we wanna live after this revolution takes place. That's a part of like, you know, that the socialist tendencies, right? Like using all of our resources and like- Collectivizing. Yeah, and like literally like living equity out every day, like meeting each other where we are and giving what we can to each other's experience and each other's conditions. I think that's a way to get this shit started. Yeah. I think one thing I wanna talk about that we didn't talk about is like around community work. It's like the importance- You're laughing. I'm tired of talking longer. It's like- It's like actually building relationships with people. I'm gonna say like giving people to know like that's one thing we didn't talk about that I know I wanted to talk about. We should definitely speak on that because I for sure got something bad to add to that. I ain't go live, bro. Like we be talking this shit and people be thinking we hella profound and I fuck with that, but you know, just cause you good at talking on me, you should, you know, fuck. But I do hella fuck with relationship builds. And I remember we had a situation like a couple of months ago where we had, we were doing a breakfast program and somebody brought to my attention and like, yo, I understand y'all intention behind shit is like as far as like community building and like creating a safe space for people, but it don't feel like y'all interacting as much as y'all claim to be. And that shit really stuck with me. I'm like, damn, we really try to set this breakfast program up in a way that allows for us to like, if you look at me and Blake's tweets, if you look at our timelines, we talk about community building a lot. And for this person to bring to my attention that y'all niggas talk about community building, but no one spoke to me at this breakfast program. That's just struck a chord in me like, damn, are we really setting the conditions for people to build and grow with each other? So that's why even when we came here, we were like, okay, we gonna have interaction, we gonna Q&A, we gonna have people coming up and talk. Cause I think it's important for me, I grew up playing football and I can think of that team experience. When I got to know somebody, I could think of my roommate, right? My roommate was the person I was rocking for, the hardest on the field. Cause me and that person spent hella time together. We were going through our struggles together. We'll come home with talking shit. And when you organize in this war, that's essentially what it is. It's a war against either a system, it's a war against people. And I think when you work in it feels like this, you have to build, you have to lock in with people. So even using this space, I don't know what we're gonna do after this, me and this need to get done, you haven't, but maybe y'all, you know, we might have a little mixture hour. I think whenever you're in a space like this, it's important that you talk to the people that you fucking with. We really build, you know, like not just talk about building, not just the theory of building, but that we really use those actions to lock in with each other and get to learn about each other and really tap in. That's important. Yeah. Cause when I think about this breakfast program, I don't think about us as both like community activists. Like this is my nigga first. Like before the podcast, before people's breakfast, I'll remind this is my brother. You feel me? And I think that's where I'm, what's important about it is like, having that relationship. Cause it's like, bro, I ain't finna go to war with you if I don't know shit about you. We talking about being in the trenches and shit, like support you, like, you know, doing some shit, you know, like for real being in the field with it. And I don't know shit about you. Like, I ain't, you know what I'm saying? Like, so I think it's important to build with people you feel me to understand, like, like, bro, I've been in your grandma house, you know, even my great auntie house. You feel me? Like, you know my family, I know your family. Like, and building like that on some genuine level with each other. Cause I think in this, in this generation that encourages not to build like that, encourages is like, all right, what's the next party, bro? All right, bro. What's the next face filter? It's facial recognition. But that's one of the stories, you know what I'm saying? But I'll be using that filter too. I'll be looking, you know what I'm saying? We all, you know, with the dog filter or whatever. You feel me? But it's like, it's important to just get to know each other and deal with each other. You feel me? Like, really straight up, like, I want people, if you don't know, if you came here by yourself, I want you to know somebody at the end of the day. If you're trying to fuck with people's breakfast, Oakland, tap the fucking with us and deal with us. You feel me? And be on the field with us. You feel me? Like, we really trying to build. Facts. So. I think one more thing I want to say, we about to wrap this shit up, but I think oftentimes people look at Blake and ourselves when we put on platforms like this and think me and this nigga is something special and we not. I think if you got a dream and you got like a movement that you want to push and you got to change and try to make in this world, I think you should just take that first step. Like me and this nigga ain't no different to anybody in here. We got dreams, we got fears. We got all that shit. Like, we are not no better than nobody in this room. So if you got any aspirations of these dreams, you should change the map, I guess. Yeah. Kind of black. We really started this shit over some dog water. Like drinking my nigga. Like really, we lose really in the sense like really at the studio, just like, all right. We see people outside who need food. I was like, brother, we got to feed people. You feel me? And it's like, it really started like that over this motherfucker. It's Kanye. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you can build, bro. We ain't know. I think sometimes you put like, people put like capes on activists, like put a superhero, like, oh, they're doing some crazy, like some regular ass motherfuckers. If you know me, you know I'm a regular ass motherfucker. Like I do, you know what I'm saying? So I think it's important. You got dreams. If you want to do some shit, you feel me? Do that shit, bro. Build with the people. You feel me? Connect with the people you know. Thank y'all for coming. I love y'all. This is how we're black. Every song is for you. Thank you. Thank y'all for coming. Thank y'all for coming. If we have another episode, y'all go fuck with us if you have another episode. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. I'm happy. I'm happy. I'll be saying something.