 Hello everyone! Happy October Fest to you too. Oh thank you Aowyn. Great to see you again and again we have some special guests with us. Coming back I guess I didn't scare them off. Jamie, Jamie and Brian are rejoining us and our first timer real Schmidt has joined us. So welcome to all of you and this is our fourth and final Hacktoberfest Thursday afternoon summary but Hacktoberfest isn't over of course so October is over so we still have all of that scary day on the 31st to finish doing that officially Hacktobering and I'm not sure about well I'm pretty sure most of the other programmers and developers who have been working on this may probably might have a little bit more to do they may not be quite done on on Monday I know I will certainly have things left to do that I will continue to work on past that. The goal is to never be done right? The goal is never to be right Brian that's exactly it. Well you know programmers work is never done because there's always users who want more you know wouldn't it be nice if it did this? Yeah yeah so I call those requests Wibnie's W-I-B-N-I wouldn't it be nice if? And anyways so that'll be fun but let's see who we have with us in the chat. Tommy Book from Louisiana is joining in Jamie's doing dual role watching and participating. Jeff how you doing there? Candice Ytta is here and Kay it's great having you on last week there Kay John Tyner from Ireland Stuart Mojavelin Hillary Steven I said already Kathy Nava is here as well okay and all probably others that'll come in and join and what do we call it in November? We might call it sleep but not until after Wiki Tree Day in the symposium because those are huge things and and Aowyn there has been one of the key movers and shakers for all that stuff so how's that going Aowyn? Awesome I'm super excited we have almost 1600 people registered for it and you know 24 hours of speakers 12 hours of everything you might ever possibly want to know or hear about Wiki Tree like we have trivia games and bingo games giveaways prizes Wow yeah that's great that's gonna be yeah that's gonna be a lot of fun lots of learning lots of lots of amazing sessions if you haven't already check out the list of sessions that are available on the symposium day the Friday and then there's lots of cool stuff on the Saturday as well including a tech panel technology panel which will be the official closing of Hacktoberfest where we will get a chance to talk and show off again stuff that has happened during this this project and maybe chat a little bit about you know possible future things so there we go so let's have let's dive in to what has happened this week and this week lots of things have been happening on the dynamic tree side there've been lots of new views that have been just added Brian you've been going crazy keeping up with all those pull requests and adding things what's it like from your end having to do that it's a good problem to have right though the goal of the dynamic tree project was to bring in more developer energy and users that wanted to see things being able to make those things happen as part of Wiki Tree so you know having lots of pull requests to review and merge in is a good thing excellent good well let me share my screen and we can start looking at some of those so when you first get into it and just as a quick reminder you can get into the new dynamic tree from any profile you just have to go to the the profile menu so that's the menu that has the wiki tree ID at the top right next to my wiki tree it says so I'm on Annie a little little so her this is her working try to go down and click on wiki dynamic tree and then it'll automatically load the tree now it loaded the fan chart is that because I was on fan chart last or is that just the default one Brian it remembers where you what you'd last viewed and I guess that that's a conversation to have about the menu item because we can specify a particular view and the the menu item isn't doing that so it just shows you what you had before probably we want to from the menu item change it to to go to the base tree but I'm not sure what people prefer there right yeah because I mean I always jump to this page I mean before before we had the dynamic tree in such an easily accessible spot this used to be my jumping off spot especially when I had you know an ancestor who had filled it filled it out it would be easy to grab you know jump back in time to somewhere so a view like that I found very helpful so that's a interesting point that we should talk about but where was I here I was showing you okay so there's the dynamic tree and that's the one we started with that was there and you can see looking at the menu oh I zoom in a bit you can see we now have an impressive number of views 10 of them all together if I've counted right yeah so I'm gonna take you a quick tour through some of the ones that are new this week the dynamic tree is the one that we started with and so that has has always that's hasn't changed much I don't think this week at least not visually not on the outside but there might be some changes that have happened in behind it the on and off a list is okay go breaks down all your ancestors by generation and then gives you links to that with unique numbering that's not new I'm gonna come back to the ancestor webs because I've done some more work on that the family anniversaries is one that where are we here there we go this one was newly added this week and this was you're gonna have to help me Brian I think this was Steve's wasn't that yeah and this is still a work in progress there's a few you know text updates that need to be made and probably some behind-the-scenes code efficiencies that we're going to do but the basics of that are working it takes the profiles from your watch list and organismizes them by sort of effective date birthday death day marriage day and then you know you can kind of browse through the calendar see what anniversaries are in the given month so if I want to see what else happened on January 16th my birthday I could see that I share I share birthday with someone I'm not sure how I'm connected to I don't know these people but it is cool that it's not it's not just birthdays and death days and marriage to anniversaries too and I know someone had had requested that you know can you put this in a traditional grid form too which would be kind of fun and challenging with this many people you guess you'd want some way to filter it probably right yeah I think you know there's a couple of different enhancements that are being considered and you know one of the nice things about it being in the open source repository is you know other people you know wants to views in there other people can jump in and say oh well here's an option that would be great so you know making a really gridded calendar you know you'd have to limit what's shown in each square or allow filtering in various ways in order for it to sort of work as a view but that's definitely something that is in the list of issues or potential yeah yeah so this one's exciting very cool family group view I don't remember if this one was here last week or not this one I think is also new and it's a place for a similar page that we have elsewhere on on the wiki tree if I remember correctly mm-hmm yeah and this one we saw last time I know that was there but there are some visual things that he's the highlighting here and the ability to grab on to someone and then change to there their timeline that's kind of neat and I'm gonna come back to the fan chart and fractal shirt and Ewan you're excited about the printer friendly version yes yes so this looks a lot like that original page the family tree tree and tools page but without all of the extra icons and bitty bobs so we off really nicely yeah I from the conversation going back and forth I remember the the one sort of caveat is that there are some families who either have you know their their their names or their locations are very wordy and so some of those just don't they don't always fit on the one page that some there's a bit of spillover sometime but that was happening with the previous version anyways so and in most most printers now are on our laptops you have the ability to change your settings so if you just tweak your settings to print at say 80% instead of 100% if you look into the advanced settings that's usually an option then you could get even those nasty nasty ones to fit on one one page yeah and a lot of them even just have a simple checkbox to say fit on one page and then oh it is bleeding over a little bit down the bottom because the the the content is too long can be overcome but for a lot of a lot of starting profiles it fits just fine on one page the way it is yeah of course if you check the fit to page that means you don't get to do any nice math but that's probably a nice option and then the surnames list we had seen that one before and I don't think this one has changed any this week before I go in and show you the the changes that I've made to the three apps that I was on I'm invited real to join us and he's been working on a modification of the dynamic tree which he calls the couples view and would you like to share your screen now and walk us through what you've done or which it hasn't it's not published yet so it won't be in you won't be able to see it right away but this I thought it'd be kind of neat to see a sneak preview of some work that's being done so I'm gonna be able to stop sharing and see if I can get okay I've lost the button unless can you push the button for me to share real screen nope that's mine still there we go yeah okay take it away okay so as I said this is the couples view I found that the like a normal dynamic tree doesn't show me enough information because you only see the person and not their spouse and children and sometimes you just want to quickly see who is this person again and get a little bit more information and I found that this view which is similar to the one that's on family free a family search I found quite useful so I tried to emulate what they have there in this still just a preview and still has some styling issues and there are also some glitches in it which you'll pop up as I explained but the idea is that for every person like here I'm looking at my grandfather and so he is the single focus of the purpose than any tree and his spouse and then all their children and this shading indicates which are the children that are that is in the bloodline and the ideas then also that you can remove sub trees and get them back if you want the no no why that popped up but I think I had I had expanded it earlier and when I first hear that pop so they are so some of each is in this place but so I can find it again then it wasn't there or just expand and add it again and if I want to know each other you can click on here it will show you all the children or like Richard Barry was more than one life so you can see all his wife some of the issues here for example is we have a starting problem but hopefully you can figure that how to fix that at some point and yeah that's basically it it's similar to the other one in that it will expand expand but if it gets too big and you want to prune some of it it's very easy to prune at any point and you just click on the minus and it will collapse that that's up to you and the rest is still there of shows you the pop up and you can go to that person or you can make that person the subject of the dynamic tree similar to the old dynamic tree the coloring is sort of a blue and a pink or a blue and a red except for people who don't know what their gender isn't here in the record or unknown because of privacy you mean that's basically it okay great well thanks for showing that that's that's very exciting as it comes along I like that the ability to be able to see more than just about one sort of pedigree line but the flesh it out and get a sense of the the whole family you know so that's that's neat yeah looking forward to continue to develop there okay so I'm going to take over again think okay so the fan chart what I've done this week is I was successfully able to add some settings to the fan chart and you can see that now the default setting when you open up a fan chart will be to have a colored background so in fact let me zoom in a bit so you can actually see individual people and right now I've got five five sets of options and you can change show their middle initial if they have one these people because their French Canadian is there my English side had middle names or middle initials so you can change that or you can hide their middle name completely by just and my birth father had a nickname which is kind of funny twig apparently was he was always moving always moving about and someone and that's got called quick because it was always tapping or something he was a drummer apparently as well so oh they can't sit still yeah exactly so that's where he got that from and the decision I made when I made this setting so you can open it and close it by hit clicking the settings here or you can close it by hitting the red X in the corner there on the sort of opposite side is that as long as you can you can make a change save that change and it'll automatically once you hit the save button it'll read it'll redo the view it'll update what you're looking at based on those new settings but it doesn't hide the settings panel because for me often I'm just testing things out and I don't I don't necessarily know the version of what I really want to see so the dates you can either have take away all the dates or you could put you could show just the birth date yeah let's or you could just show the lifespan both birth and death and the same sort of thing with places again you could get rid of locations altogether if you want to have a smaller cleaner look and or you can limit it to just just the birth locations and then you've I've also allowed you to choose what kind of location so but if you choose the full location you get everything that was entered in that location field in wiki tree but what I've also done is I parsed that based on the commas in that field and my assumption is the very first chunk of text before the first comma will be the name of the town the very last chunk of text will be the country the second last will be the region which would be like the state or the province and if there's a there's another chunk somewhere in between the town and the state or province well you'll have to go to full if you really want to see that but if you want to say just figure out you know what state or province where people born in you can choose that and then you'd see for my family it's a whole bunch of Ontario Canada and Quebec Canada until you go far enough back in time oh I obviously didn't broke that ring got ignored so pretend you didn't see that and then I also had features so you can turn on or off photos or can hide the silhouettes and then the coloring and so I've got some of the coloring features that were in are in the the current live version of the app a standalone version not all of them but some of them I've got different all zoom out a bit so you can see a little bit more of the default choice is pastel colors by generation so every ring has its own coloring and Tommy who's here in the chat actually helped me pick out this this palette in fact most of these palettes are ones that Tommy helped me out with so thank you for that again Tommy and if I need more help I know where to go so there's the shades of gray or red he's quiet here but he's looking up now yes I've got a friend talking to you and then the rainbow my rainbow is not I have to re rejig the logic for the rainbow because the red should be on the outside right and that's not a real rainbow that's definitely not a real rainbow yes so all the colors are there they're just not in the right order just missing orange which is the most important wiki tree color oh well let's see it's got to be here somewhere oh no no red orange yellow red orange yellow green blue violet where did the orange go hmm that's okay we'll have to fix that for sure and then I psychedelic oh there's an orange there yeah but if you don't want to go by gen by generation I do have by gender if that if you want to alternate that way which was psychedelic is really not a very a while by grandparent and you can go all the way up to three times great grandparents which is kind of hard to see unless you've got a lot of generations there you can see there this jeune du monde it would be one of my three times great so this ring here is the one that has the unique ones and all the product of the ancestors from that person on like that and then I had that because I I didn't have time to implement for this week the the other option in the standalone app is to color it by town province or country which will be an option eventually but it's not here so I just throw in a brand new option just totally random which just gives you like a crazy patchwork quilt I'm not quite sure why someone want this but it's kind of but that's what you get yeah now maybe that'll be less maybe be more calming if we did that in blues totally randomly shades of blues so that's a little more calming anyways that's the that's the work that I did on the fan chart this week and then the fractal one basically I just once I got that working there I thought well why not share the love and so basically imported all those same options including the coloring into this one so if I put a few more generations on there five generations nice one to look at you can see the coloring there which what's neat about the fractal one because remember let me just remind you how the fractal tree works close that up for those who weren't here when I first showed this off it starts off with a central person and then their parents on each side of them and then each of those parents get parents on each side of them and it grows out and it's a fractal because the pattern going side horizontally then vertically just keeps on an infinitum and you get this really cool really cool neat shape but what's neat about that is that if you change switch to the grandparent coloring then you actually you see the quadrants you see how there's the green quadrant the yellow quadrant the light brown color and the pinkish cup quadrant and you go up another level you'll see sort of pattern within that and then if you add another generation then you see it's like you have clusters around each of those great grandparents which is kind of cool in fact when I was first delving into my my birth family and especially on the French the French Canadian side because it just goes so far back I actually used a version of this to expand it because I would get to say I would get to the central person in the middle like so this person so Maria Eugenie Alfonso in la bonté so I get to her and by look using this view I could sort of focus on her family and her ancestors specifically and not be distracted by all the other ones so that's just that's just one way I used that particular one so the other app that I worked on this this week is I I added some again I added some settings I was really in a settings mode this week and so I added some settings to the the ancestor web so as once I showed it off last week immediately someone in the chat and I'm sorry but I can't remember who it was exactly I think it was us I think it was a Steven it wasn't Steven who was a guest but it was another I think it was another Steven I could be wrong though so I apologize for what I said like him instead of single initials which is what I had originally can you show at least two initials like first and last so I have a hope of figuring out who each of these ancestors are so I added that as an option and in fact if they have middle name then you can do you could add an option for showing that as well and again what this is if you have the full pedigree or if you choose unique then it takes that chart and where there are two that overlap it just joins them together so Francesco for example up here twice over here there's Francesco and Orange there and Francesco there so in the unique view we just merged him together so he just shows once everyone shows once in this one and then the repeat view those that aren't repeated those lock those branches get locked off for clarity's sake so this branch here GS and CN so Conchetta and Giuseppe they're not repeats so we're going to ignore them for this view and then there you see and the single view what's new this week is I've got different settings for whether you're looking at a multi ancestor view like this one where there's more than one ancestor at a time or if you're looking at a single ancestor so in this one the the focus is on path to Caterina so you you can change the the options down here and so you can either use the short name which is one of the options that the dynamic tree used or if you really want the full name then you can choose that and then as you go through you can just sort of see how they're related and I added under paths there's last week I think when I showed this off I only use the the jagged path which is basically just an excerpt from the previous view from the repeat here I just sort of took where they were here and erased all the other lines I didn't care about and just use those lines and in most of those cases that means you're going to get sort of a ragged path from the bottom to the top but if you prefer a smoother path then I put that there so it's a little easier to read but one of the things I've done I close this up now this week is I've added expanded so you can go up as far as I believe 12 or 14 generations so if you look at my no this is Anna so what we want to do is we want to go look at me so here's me at nine generations so I have to go nine generations back before I finally find two ancestors that repeat so there's Francois and Suzanne so you see they show up here and they show up over here okay and if I go into the repeat view you just see you can see there there that's the path to them pretty born I had one more generation and instead of two I now 23 and so that's what my web of ancestors looks like these are all all the ones that are colored are the ones that repeat that I descend from it at least two in some cases three times and if you keep on going it just gets nutty but so you can zoom right in and see all the crisscross and if we go into the single view then you can see how that was how that looks which is kind of cool because some of these have some really neat really neat combinations that one there is anyways that's that's new that's what's new on the views I will stop talking about that now and what's that one thing you should put in your queue to consider is how we could link to this tree with not just a starting ID but with the destination options because then we could link directly from the special relationships page that people can already see on wikitree.com where it lists the connection and then they could jump into the dynamic view of that and explore it in a different way. Oh excellent that's a great idea and actually one of the things I did add is I added three new menu items over here which don't do anything yet but this is a sneak preview of the next feature that I'm gonna add is if you click on the plus button it'll allow you to add another wikitree ID so I could add I don't know if there's anyone yeah if Brian and I were related if Brian had some French Canadian roots and I added Brian's wikitree ID there then it would load his ancestors and then when I clicked on common it would show me basically the same sort of thing we have here with the repeats but instead not just my repeats but where my ancestors overlap Brian's ancestors and so what we'll be able to do is basically see where will you know the joint where we're the answers that we both descend from and all those multiple paths if they have multiple paths between us as well and same the same with the single sort of thing so I can let you know that you will have up to a few millions of different paths between two persons I know it's crazy I had a lot of problems with that with connection finder okay well this this is my hole and as long as you don't go to many generations back it should work yeah I think I'm restricted let's see what did I restrict it to I think I restricted it to 14 yeah yeah 14 is quite a bit but at least it's it's within the realm of pseudo possible you know reasonable so but that's an excellent idea Brian about making adding that a sort of extra parameter there I haven't done anything yet with the parameters yet with this but that's definitely something I didn't mind so what about the browser extensions Jamie did you want to talk what's in general what what has been what's been happening with the browser extensions this week um I'm gonna stop sharing my screen briefly I think of what was new this week I I know Kay was adding improvements to bio check and Ian added a few more features from B and a few ones a few new ones he made a very nice tool to remove all those club badges from the page list oh yeah yeah and he added he added yeah new feature that wasn't in me um we also have like a lot of discussions about um like how to how to name files and just kind of like right a lot of it was just the organizational stuff again kind of like how to work together and stuff right yeah and that's important actually that was one of the things I wanted to talk about this week um after we we had some view programmers on two weeks ago and we had some we talked about the extensions last week but yeah there's a lot of stuff that goes on in the background that you don't necessarily see up front when you're when you're using these tools oh yeah even just as simple as naming and how to store it and that sort of thing right yeah I think naming has probably been the most like controversial thing that we like half of us want something called snake case and the other half what camel case and the formatting of the source files someone was uploading a file it was completely changed because that the alignment of the lines changed so for instance there are quite a few new I managed to install it in time so now if you go to options we have all the ones that we had we now we also have a possibility for some extensions to have special options that are displayed here so you can set up how it looks now that this will probably pop start to populate slowly now of the extensions the new one is this this time let me increase zoom in a bit so we are all the people that do a lot of it it's how always this list full of the club badges because they always come to the top so you have a neat options here hide club pages and it does all the work now all the other pages remained you can you have also the other feature here is that you you can move the pages to the end of the list so it's easier to organize the order of the remaining badges that you want to see so now this club 1000 will move down the list so I really gave up in the past to remove the badges because it was every few months I had to scroll down and move them away from you so now this is much easier to so was this your feature request a lash so then what else do we have how we got a new menu feature yes the my menu my menu menu that this but I saw that differently before yeah if you click on it you should be able to add items to it right do you have to be on a profile page you have to click on my menu not the link right oh here you can add new links to with specific URLs that you often need to jump to so you can they're just populate here in the list and here also you can you see all the menu items from this I don't know if this can be ordered or something because I just saw this option it was done it was published today so yes I saw yeah you can order you can drag them over I think you just click on them they they populate but then you can drag them around just just I think you just have to click on it oh you can select it okay I got it and then you drag it up in there in that little my menu up top okay so this one was added today so so kind of quick links then I know what else was new as Jamie said some yeah did we see dark mode once week do you want to show just show quickly what dark mode looks like yep that was the only other thing you did you you showed exactly what I had circled on my page to visit that's actually less okay so now I turned it on and if I refresh probably it will be there so that's how it looks for the night so if you're if you're wiki-tring at night in bed with your iPad and you don't want to wake up your spouse and there are minor adjustments but I don't know if there's anything else yeah I think I think the big things were where the features you showed off and then also Rob adding the ability for the other the different features to have their own options yeah that was a major change yeah that's cool and in fact Rob it was Rob's code that I stole in the first place to make my settings for the fan chart and the other one so so that was kind of cool that were it's slightly different code from what I'm using to what he is because I the extensions in the views work slightly differently in terms of the stuff in the background anyways but the logic was all this was pretty much the same so that's kind of cool nice yeah that's what I know that's what you know well that's great it's funny that we both we're thinking of the exact same exact same thing speaking of hacking do you like Erwin this is this is my Hector Fest t-shirt because the other one hasn't arrived yet exactly that's exactly you know we're all maker you know it's like a maker project but Aless called me out on it last week he like he realized it was a hack job well it's ironically appropriate so I know exactly oh John tiner says that he started using the the menu list it's great that we like the dark man very nice Yuta you're exactly right they've done anything I like Kay's comment there working on herding cats yeah I think that must be what we feel they feel like sometimes you mentioned that Kay had added the bio check to the watch list I think it might just be a button that goes to her all bio check app but I know she made improvements to that as well yeah so Jeff you've got a right that's one of the things I just sort of wanted to end with and talk about and we alluded to it briefly yes earlier but something as simple as just having a naming structure and believe it or not stuff like we've been having discussions about the proper the proper way to space you know what do we use two spaces or four spaces do we avoid the tab which I mean to non programmers must sound dreadfully painful to discuss and whatnot but it's actually important it's one of those things that's important to have some of these programming standards so that when you're jump into another file another view another another piece of the puzzle of the project that you don't have to spend you know any extra time trying to figure out you know where things are and how things are organized and what they look like because you're if you're using the same convention then you've got that sort of framework already in your head and then you just know you can jump here there you recognize what you're looking at so well and importantly for the file structure in particular is in addition to everybody sort of looking at the same thing when a developer pushes up and says hey here's a new enhancement or bug fix or whatever that I have if they have reformatted the file to be a different structure then the people that are trying to review that change they see the whole file modified and so it's hard to say oh wait what's actually changed here even though all that changed in 90% of it was that four spaces changed to two or the line length changed or something like that so by standardizing on that whatever is chosen then we can focus on vetting the actual changes to the code and pushing those through much more quickly because you can say oh this is the change that was made instead of trying to find it so it's it really aids collaboration to try to settle on some commonality there when everybody is working on the same set of files at the same time I was reviewing a few files and after five minutes I couldn't actually pinpoint the actual difference between the two files because everything was red oh no this formatting could be yeah but I think I think both projects have decided to go with a formatter called prettier yes and so in both projects there's a special configuration file that we've added to the repository so when people you know make code changes they can format it in the same format as everyone else so hopefully we won't have the issue with the line of code right well and then we do have to remember that sometimes computers are stupid because there was one I've only had it after I've done a pull request only two times I've actually had to solve a conflict and one of them the conflict was a word it was a four letter word and the two middle letters were backwards and then I fixed it and it couldn't figure out that that was the change you know it highlighted both lines and read you know which version of this line do you want I mean really you can't figure that out so sometimes computers are just stupid so the other one was a little took a little bit more work to resolve but generally that's why we and we actually had a discussion today about what's the best way to you know make your changes and then to put when to push it up or how late you wait before doing that so you do it little bits at a time so anyone who's watching the progress of the various apps over the week especially the fan chart it looks like I'm just adding little wee pieces each time because that's safer anything else is you want to add sort of talk do you want to talk about some of us I know something else that's been going on is we've had people who have been that have been reviewing the work that we've been doing and making suggestions on improvements so do you want to talk about those the value of that and because I know I appreciate it because that's that's a skill set that I do not have and in great gobs is to be able to look at someone else's code and be able to pick where things are could be better optimized or where that meets with someone else's or maybe it's because I'm just so zoomed in on the one thing I'm working on but I think that's one advantage of both sort of collaborative open-source work and the kind of incremental approach that has been taken for most of wiki trees history as well let's make a small improvement and then you kind of look at it and you come back and say all right well now it would be great if we had this feature it would be great if this works that way and then you try to do that rather than trying to you know have a cathedral built all at once and I think that that can work with with these dynamic tree and browser extension projects too where you know you put something up and say well here's a view and it kind of works but it could use improvements and the improvements could be both on the user side of things in terms of styling or formatting or options available and it can be on the code side of things where you know we hit this this feature would run a lot faster would be easier for other people to improve on if it was written in a slightly different way and so then you just iterate you know and that's the great thing about having it in a public repository is that somebody else can come along and say hey I refactored this one piece of code better or that it runs better or hey I changed the styling on this so that it's cleaner or that it matches the wiki tree comm website better and you know you can pull in that that small bit of improvement and and sort of leverage a lot of people's effort on small things to move the whole thing forward yeah like with the browser extension I wrote the original like skeleton of it and then Steve helped by moving his features from his old extension which was wiki tree toolkit I think into the framework that I built but I'm pretty sure like all of that code has been changed now people have made that we're like you know like are much more knowledgeable about how to set up a large project like this and that's good the option page went through a few iteration of changes yeah yeah I think the only the only part of the code that's still mine is maybe the formatting on the little options button that you talk about if you want to change that also oh no oh no yeah it's been great having other people like weigh in and and then everyone you know discusses and and eventually it after enough people agree it gets merged in and well it's a great way to learn too you know I've been programming for a long time and I'll see structures that I'm like oh yeah right there is that thing that's way better or I'll see something that I just haven't seen before there was a CSS with a grid templates and I'd started doing some CSS you know flex and grid box stuff and I hadn't seen the grid template and like oh wow that's that simplifies a whole bunch of stuff that's great I'm gonna steal that lots of people contribute because you see things that just you know because of the history of what you've worked on so far you just haven't come across and so you get to add those new things to your own toolbox needs I'll have to check out grid template I haven't seen that either very cool Steve has a question I don't know if you can answer that do you have to set up the my menu in every browser yes because it gets stored in your browser so the browser storage okay and now he has another one Steve's on a roll here is there a transcription transcription app like to split the screen one showing the record and another where you can transcribe or the record record so would that be in the edit feature like when you're editing your page you'd want something like that what does he mean for this where there's a transcription of the conversation of the video oh that's a good question Steve maybe you could clarify what you mean by that and where if it was if it was part of one of our apps or the browser extension where would be placed best because if it's just a transcription of the YouTube down there's that's one of the settings after the YouTube is done no for record transcription like a will or something like that hmm it's an interesting idea you just said she'd like that too comments from your experience so far and jumping in you were gone for a while so you just you came back and just sort of jumped in after it's amazing how much you can forget in three months before I had a friend who came back from holiday or I had a good reset memory cleared yeah I I think a lot of the standardizing standardization and guidelines and things that have been done it's great because it just makes life easier I think the one thing that's missing is the common a common directory to stuff in that she's by okay project I've been working on the metanamic tree where a lot of things are being used and I think we're definitely moving in the right direction that's good well that's good but that's your impression after returning this week to to work with us so good sign we did talk about moving some of those files that are overlapping and being used in various views for the dynamic tree into a common we just haven't I haven't I haven't made it that folder yet so I don't know if Brian's gonna to make that I noticed someone did make some changes to one of the classes that I had created the people collection class so people are definitely using that that concept so that'd be something we mean that short name it's using almost all the now isn't it yeah so it makes sense to do a common function somewhere cool great well any last we're getting close to the top of the clock so any other comments you want to say it's still not too late to join Hacktoberfest if you want to add to stuff or if you want to test we always need more testers and I don't think I mentioned that we have a version on Firefox now if you if you use Firefox for the browser extension if you want to test that that means a lot more testing than the Chrome one right yes you're I think this time last week you were just about to publish it or yeah we have that figured out now yeah so Ian and I have been publishing it when when there's an update and it doesn't really fast like before we even finish writing like the description of what we change they like approve it wow you're very trusting that takes longer right I think Google's doing it pretty quickly too from what I heard like within half an hour it's it's really because I a few times I waited a few days well it stands to get published yeah but for some reason the wiki tree one is being published really quickly which is nice what about Safari that one's fun so far is a lot more complicated I think from what so Rob has sorcerer and that he has on Safari but from what I understand it has to be compiled on a Mac I don't have one yet so so like I don't know the process for doing it but but now that we have a Chrome and Firefox figured out that that is the next step is to get it working on Safari okay okay cool that's that well I do have a Mac if if you need to loop me into the process there good well thanks everyone for coming out again this will be the we won't be doing this next Thursday but we will be having you get lots of sleep on Thursday so that you can join us starting at 8 in the morning on Friday for the wiki tree symposium and then wiki tree day which it was all day Saturday and 10 o'clock right put that down in your calendar 10 o'clock on Saturday morning we'll have the technology panel which will be the official closing of the Hacktoberfest project and we'll be talking about all the things that's been doing that we've done and sort of the past present future of technology and wiki tree is as we see it and it'll be a lot of fun so enjoy the last few days of Hacktoberfest and keep at Hacktoberfest in a way and we'll see you sometime next week I'm just trying to find a view where to go there we go