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That's how they do it in Europe, right? I mean, that's sort of the MO, I think it is. They do less binge drinking and they think it's because kids grow up around it. It's not novel, it's not bad. You know what I'm saying? There's a different connotation behind it. Or you can do what my grandfather did when we would be over there for Sunday dinner or whatever. He'd bring us downstairs and he'd bring my cousin and I down there and we were like, I don't know, 10. And he'd go, hey, you guys, come here, let me show you something. And we'd go in this room and then he'd close the door so it's all quiet. We're like, what's going on? Try a little bit of this. And he'd pour like, we don't know what it was. He's like, try this. And he'd shot. He'd watch us. And it was fucking grappa. Like, you guys ever have grappa? What is grappa? Bro, it is liquid fire. It's like pure burning alcohol. So when you're 10, you laugh. Yeah, he skimmed some wild turkey, like 151. Well, what's grappa? I've never even heard of that before. You never had grappa? No, no, no, what is it? What type of, it's a liquor, obviously. It's just hella strong liquor that burns your face. I don't know how. You don't know what kind though, is Doug, do you know what it is? Is it made from grapes? It's made from grape skins, I think. Okay, yeah, yeah. But it's... And it's supposed to be really strong? It's highly concentrated. It's hella concentrated. Ever clear or strong? I mean, is that what we're talking about? That's strong, but it's vodka strong, at least. You know what? What's the other really popular Italian one? It tastes kinda like lemon. Oh, limoncello? Yeah. Yeah, don't let kids try that. You'll love it. See, that's why, yeah, I'm like, don't let them know that some of them taste good. Yeah. You gotta give them all the shit out of us. All the bad stuff. Yeah, like beer, just like, I remember it took me forever to like beer. Yeah, beer and wine. Limoncello, you store it in the freezer, that's what you do. And you store the glasses in the freezer. And that's just like candy. Do you guys ever have, what's it called? Fernet Bronca, I think it's called. It's like this after dinner, they call it a digestif. You ever have those like, whether it helps you digest or whatever? No. Have you ever heard of these? No, no, no. So it's got like, it's definitely an alcohol, but then it's got certain, you know, plants in there that are supposed to help you digest. And you know what? I, damn it, it fucking works. It's really weird. Like I had some of my cousins house over the weekend. He gave me a little shot of it afterwards. And I, maybe it's just cause it's strong and I get a little buzz. Well, I feel that about them. No, I feel that about. My gut does feel better. The Moscow meal, I feel like makes my gut feel better. People, the gin. The touting. It's got to be what it is, right? It's having that quality forever. Like a shot of gin a day is supposed to be really good for your gut according to gin manufacturing. So the grappa, what it is is a blend of grape seed, stalks and stems left over from winemaking. And it contains 37.5 to 60% alcohol by volume. It's like the chicken nuggets of alcohol. What do you mean? Yeah, kind of like that. Chicken nuggets. Chicken nuggets. The chicken nuggets. So it's very strong. So they wouldn't hire me for advertising. That'd be like, what is that? 120 proof? Yeah, you're getting all the leftovers. That is, I'm telling you, it's freaking hot. And my grandfather would- Is that how that works? Yeah, and the first time he gave it to us, he thought it was hilarious. The second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, 10th time, right, cause we'd go over there, he'd make us. No, no, no, you have something right now. Like, oh, come on, no, no, burns my face. That's okay. Well, my grandpa would take me to this pool hall and they'd all give me one of these huge stogies to smoke. And I was only like 10 or something. Yeah, dude. What a different generation. Oh my God, I would turn green. I was just like, cause I didn't know that you just puff it. And so I ended up inhaling, I was like, drew up. But yeah, I wanted to be cool cause I was there with a bunch of old, rough guys. I remember the first time my mom had made me smoke a cigarette and it made me cause I asked, right? I was like, let me try. So now you have to finish it. Yeah, yeah, that was the deal. I was like, okay, if I let you try this, you got to have the whole thing. Okay. It's like a great idea, like when you're a kid trying to get it, right? I thought, was I like seventh, third, eighth grade, something like that? Yeah. Oh, I remember throwing up afterwards. It was so terrible. Never wanted one again. Yeah, and I remember thinking like, dude, why do people like this? Dude, this is disgusting. That's a good strategy. Yeah. It's a decent strategy. Speaking of, It does work. Alcohol, I know we're going to Hawaii together. Yeah. And that's going to be a lot of alcohol involved. We need. There's going to be lava flowing. Do not, please do not forget. We need to have Z-biotics there. I do not want to do that without you. Are they restocked? Doug, do you know if they're restocked? I know that, man, they were, they sold out last month. I know. It's been high. I don't know if I. I think there's still a waiting list at least, but let me double check. Yeah, cause I don't know if I told you guys this. I know you guys don't pay attention sometimes to this stuff, but they put our advertising on hold for like. Yeah. Pre-order still. Oh, wow. Yep. Dude, get some for us. It's one of those things that you try it. But you know, do you guys remember trying all the stuff at the liquor stores that claim that stuff? I mean, I tried a bunch of the pills and the little drinks that they say is supposed to cure hangovers. It might kind of work, but like not. Even then like Advil was better. None of them worked for me. And nothing. This is like completely different. Nothing worked as well as the concoction that Sal used to make for us first. So that was charcoal. Remember that? It was cocaine, charcoal. No, I'm just kidding. Cocaine helps bring you back to life. You'll feel better. No, no, no. Just kidding. It was charcoal, electrolytes, and was it Advil afterwards? Yes. I'll give it to you. No, no, no. Zebotics is on a whole different level. A lot of people don't know the origin story of how we actually worked with them. There was an article that I read on the podcast because the author was like, this stuff is crazy and it's weird and how it works. And I read the science. This is remarkable. Then Zebotics contacted us because they saw a boost in sales because they talked about it. Yeah, our audience responded right away. Then they sent us samples and we literally tested it. We tested it twice, once in private. And another time we videotaped it. It's the famous drinking game that we did. Oh my God. I can't believe we did that. And I'm telling you, it's so effective, it's dangerous because now I enjoy drinking occasionally. Whereas before I said, forget it. Nothing, I feel like shit afterward. Now with Zebotics, now I feel okay to do after. So speaking of partners, you guys just reminded me of something that I have to share with you that happened this morning. It was just kind of laughing about it. Cause, so, you know, I think Sal, you were the one that asked me to start looking for a partnership with like meals delivered to your house, like a type of deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I've reached out to quite a few companies and I'm just, you know, in that process of like courting and trying to see who we really like and reading up on the company. And this company reached out to me on Instagram like maybe, I don't know, like a month ago or so. And I just glanced at it and said, okay, this looks interesting enough. Like I kind of like what I see. So I sent it over to Katrina to follow up and say, give me on a phone call with the CEO and stuff. And then I can ask some questions and we could start the courting process or whatever. And so she calls me this morning. I'm on my way to work and she goes, hey, did you call or reach out to that company, Eat To Evolve? And I go, what do you mean? I said, I sent it over to you to follow up so I could start the conversation. And she goes, yeah, I know. They sent me an email this morning about resending an offer. And I'm like, no, I didn't make an offer. I don't even know if there's somebody we wanna work with. I just said, I'll take a call so we can start the conversation. She goes, really? And I go, yeah, no. She goes, well, what about Sal? I said, no, Sal didn't do that. I said, he got a message from them, sent it over to me. And I said, yeah, I already reached out to them. I'm gonna have a conversation with them. And she's like, are you sure? Are you sure you guys didn't say anything and I'm like, no. She goes, cause I've never had somebody respond. I said, well, ask. I said, send back to them. I said, what's the deal? Like we didn't even send an offer. We didn't say we're gonna work with you guys. Why would you resend an offer? Just to get some click. Cause I said, maybe it's a misunderstanding. Maybe they think you're another company or what like that. And she just text messaged me this. So I get this email back. Let me read it to you guys. You guys, you're gonna crack up when you hear this. Oh no. Okay. Well, no, I just, I- What'd you do, Adam? Well, you're actually funny. What did I do? No, no. You're funny you say to me, right? So it says, hi Katrina. I decided to resend my offer after taking a closer look at Adam's Instagram, which I'm glad I did. Which I'm going like, me. Like, yeah, that's a sell thing, right? I know. I haven't seen anything. It's like really like, I don't know. I don't feel like I'm that bad, right? So in October, like she dug in, right? So back in October, Adam posted a quote unquote social justice warriors video. Oh no. As a, listen. With that cartoon? Yes. As a person of color, I do not feel comfortable entering into a working relationship with him. As someone who clearly values his right to voice his views, I'm sure Adam will appreciate me exercising my right to voice mine. Best regards. Oh, wow. Do you know what that is? You know that? That cartoon? It was pure satire. Yeah, Andrew, you have to post the cartoon up so people can see. I mean it, I, and by the way, I don't think the cartoon is hilarious. And my caption doesn't, I don't think the caption- Wait, who the hell gets offended? First of all, it's satire. It's total joke. And it's not even making fun of like good people. It's not making fun of people of color. It's just, it's just the fanaticism around, you know, being a social justice warrior. So, okay, so that, okay, I'm glad you said that because that was the first thing that came to mind. I was like, what does you, be you being a person of color, have anything to- Any time- Anything to do with- That wasn't even brought up in the video. By the way, any time somebody opens up a conversation and says, as a man, as a woman, as a person of whatever, you can almost guarantee the rest of it is they identify so strongly with an immutable characteristic that you know the rest of the message is gonna be dumb. Your opinion, of course it should be based off of your experiences, but your immutable characteristics, like, okay, like, didn't we learn that lesson? Like, I don't know, decades ago that we don't make that our entire identity? That's crazy. But that's a cartoon. That's so weird. I mean, I'm so glad we're not pursuing them now, but I just, it's like, to scam though, and just get the most surface-of-surface view of your character and just make that assumption right away. Like, speaks a lot. On that one, and I've done a lot more offensive shit than that, for sure. All anybody has to do is listen to three podcasts to know that we're- But you could do that to anybody, is my point. That's a bit petty. Yeah, that just seems crazy to me that that would be a deterrent for something that can help a lot of people. You know, I was telling Katrina, cause she's like, whatever, she's like, obviously you wouldn't wanna work with a company anyways. I was like, yeah, but I'm like, you know what's interesting to me is like, I know that the owners are two guys, so it's not the owners that are responding back to me. I'm like, this is somebody who works for them. Like, I would be pissed if one of our employees was having an interaction with a company that I might potentially wanna work with, especially of the size that we are in the fitness and health space. Also what we stand for, that's so opposite of what we stand for. That is really, really insane and stupid, but I will say this, I'm glad, because we have a criteria. I don't know if this will be for our audience. Obviously you guys know what our criteria is, but we have a criteria for our partners that we work with. And of course, number one, one of the criteria is, we have to like their product or their service, and we have to use it. It's not just that we like it, we also have to use it. Otherwise it's hard to talk about, so we have to really believe in their product. But then there's more. One of the other criteria is, we have to really like the people that we're working with. I don't care, your product could cure cancer. If I hate you, it's gonna be hard to work with you, because it's hard to work with partners that you don't like. And here's some of the criteria that people that we like to work with. You gotta be thick-skinned, you gotta be able to have good discussion, good debate, you gotta believe in good things, good people, and you gotta have, I guess, good moral compass. And so this person to me sounds very much like, they're looking for problems that don't exist off of one post that was satire that you didn't even create, you reposted, which is ridiculous. So it's like, would you even wanna, imagine listening to our podcast and trying to pick it every little comment and joke, imagine going through my memes that I post every single day. I know, that's why, when she said it, I thought for sure I was gonna get something that you did. I'm like, well, you know, I tell Sal all the time, he kind of, those memes, if they don't know you, you know what I'm saying, they're gonna have to get really offended, but it was me, dude. I was like, you know what I feel like too? I feel like, you know, it's like the girl who told me I don't wanna go out with you and I never asked you out. Yeah. I didn't even ask you out yet. How could you turn me down? You know what I'm saying? Fuck you. You know what I'm saying? Like, fuck you. I didn't even, I did not even ask you out. You're already like breaking up with me. That's not even possible. Yeah. So I thought that was really funny. Wow. Interesting strategy. Yeah, we're so weird. That's so funny. That's all right. Hey, look, this is, you know, it's a market. Terrible company. They can choose who they wanna work with and who they don't, but man, if I was the owner, I'd be like, uh. Well, that's a real, as a CEO, I go, man, I would be upset that somebody took the initiative to go do something like that. Unless they, they empowered her to do that. But I'm like, man, that's. Thankfully, there's other companies, right? Not, yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, there's quite a few. Which is fine. It's like, we wouldn't even, we're not even close yet to even deciding that. I haven't even tried the food. It was like, this was like the initial like conversation. It's like, we're not even there yet for you to break up. Well, this is what I like. Companies like Basecamp or, what was the other ones that like, they just don't include any politics. Like that's just not something that. I think that's gonna be a new movement for a lot of companies. I think they're starting to move this direction of just like, it's become so polarizing. And I think it's, it's so disruptive in the, in the business, in the business world. People are fighting over stuff that's so petty. Explain to me how it's any different than having a religious affiliation and being like, I don't like your religion. So I'm, you know, I'm not gonna work with you. Well, it's weird because I mean, okay, here's the truth, right? Most people, they believe what they believe or vote the way they vote because they want things to be better for people and themselves. Most people are good. Most people don't vote because they're evil or a particular way. Most people just aren't evil. Now, of course they have their own self-interest. There's nothing wrong with that. But when looking at people that way, looking for issues that don't exist, that can cause a lot of problems. Here's the truth. The truth is markets are one of the best peace promoting things that we've ever seen in humanity because you have people from all walks of life working together and you have to figure it out for their own common interests. Like, okay, you know, I don't necessarily know your personal views, but I do know that you make good product. I have things to trade with you. Let's work together. So you get introduced to each other. You get introduced to different ideas. People work together. That's what part of what makes us, but it's funny because that post was literally, it was a joke. It wasn't even you posting like some crazy opinion. No, no, it was not even that. I didn't even think that much into it. I thought it was, I thought it was very hilarious when I saw it going viral or what about that. And so I shared it. I thought, oh my God, to go back and do that. So yeah, I tell you what though. No sense of humor. You do some bullshit like that working for me. Your ass is fired. Like that's like, you do not have the autonomy to go make decisions like that with business relationships that, and for all you know, like CEO, that we may have loved the owners of the company. And you've immediately mischaracterized us. Completely. I know. Isn't that funny though? That's annoying. That's the first time that's ever happened though. I thought that was really interesting. Katrina was like, I haven't had anyone ever rescind an offer before, before we even put an offer in. He's like, well, all right. I totally thought it was a mistake. I was like, oh, it must be a mistake. It's not that. Hey, hey, excuse me. I'm not sleeping with you. I didn't even fucking ask you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But I wasn't going to anyway. Sorry. You had to look on your face though. Sorry to evolve. We weren't going to bang you anyway. We're not evolved here. Yeah, you're not bought enough so well. First to have sex with you. Anyway, there we go. Hey, so I read a hilarious, why not hilarious? Crazy article the other day. A shark vomited I guess on the beach and then threw up a freaking arm. A human arm. That's not true. That is not true. Yeah, human arm. I'm going to pull up the article. You have to show me that. I'm going to pull up the article. This just came up right now recently? It was just a crate. I don't know if it was recent. That's gruesome. Yeah, yeah. Was it like predigested or is it like intact? Oh, here, I'm going to pull it up right here. Give me the gory details. Okay, here it is. So during an unassuming day at Cougie Aquarium in Sydney. Imagine the guy whose arm that is. He's like, oh my God, dude, you found it. Their latest attraction, which was a 14 foot tiger shark, threw up a human arm sporting a tattoo of two boxers sparring. So they actually can even tell that it was a tattoo. Yeah. Okay, this just came out. There's got to be a guy who's missing an arm and got it bit off by a shark that knows it's his arm. I'm trying to read into it a little bit. This can be. It might have happened a long time ago and they wrote about it just now. Oh, because maybe he finally put it together. That's my arm. Did you imagine that? It's like, and you're looking, oh shit. I mean, especially with a tattoo to definitively point out. Oh, no, here it is. Are you being trolled? No, no, here it is. This is an old, it was always a long time ago. It was 1935, so check this out. Oh my God, what? No, no, no, hold on, hold on. You're reporting on a 1935 article? No, no, this is breaking news. No, no, check this out. Mind pump ahead of the other corner. This just in, we landed on the moon. Thanks to the distinctive tattoo and fingerprints, the victim's brother was able to identify the body part as a left arm of James Jimmy Smith. A 45-year-old England-born amateur boxer who worked at a booze-soaked billiard saloon in downtown Sydney. So, that's weird. Do you imagine that? I tell you, solve a crime, pull it out. Oh, looks like they found the sharks. Okay, wait, did you, I didn't hear, did you say how far from when he got his arm bit off to when they found the arm? I think it was the same time, right around the same time. I think they digested it. Oh. Yeah. It's like, how can you imagine that you see it? I'm like, why is it making the news right now though? Huh? Why is it? Where did you find that? Yeah, they're just writing about it, and I read it, and I thought that was really weird, unique, and hilarious. Crazy. Yeah, very, I didn't know we're pulling articles from 1935 to share. It wasn't a 1935 article. It was an article that was now. And, and I- Cause dude, and tiger sharks, that's not normal for them, right? Well, I don't know. I've actually heard that either it's tiger or thresher sharks or whatever. It's like in Australia have been, are a lot more violent than great whites. Really? But great whites are a lot more, you know, obviously they're huge. Bigger, yeah. But, and more dangerous if they do attack, but they are less likely to attack. A 14 foot tiger shark is pretty big. It's big enough to fuck you up. They make it closest to shore, I think. The tiger sharks are swimming. Yeah, that they're a lot more likely you're gonna encounter one. I didn't know that. I actually assumed that great whites were the only sharks that we're afraid of that would potentially eat people. No, there's some big ass, there's- Makos can attack people, tiger, I'm trying to think of what the other ones are. I think those are the only ones. Like a lemon shark in there? Lemon sharks. Thresher sharks. Yeah, thresher. So, you know, when I was a kid, I went through like a period of like, I was like totally into sharks. It was like a big thing. Did you ever do that, Justin? Yeah, dude, and then Shark Week came out. That was a little later, I would have been totally into it. But now it's all into sharks. Lemon sharks are the ones that like, they look like they have too many teeth. Like the teeth are like looking all crazy. Yeah, and then kind of sticking out. Yeah, I've seen that. There was a whole, did you guys ever go through a dinosaur phase when you were kids? Of course, dude. This was the thing. Libretaar pits, did you guys visit that? My son is on that right now. It's so cute. So he, wow, is the new word he's saying, wow. And he has this- That's so cute. Yeah, he has this big dinosaur book. Maybe I'll share this with Andrew so he can share the little clip. It's really cute. So he has this massive dinosaur book that he got from his cousin. So his cousin Nathaniel gave it to him because he was starting to get interested in dinosaurs. It's a really cool book. It has like, by the way too, I didn't even know there was this many dinosaurs. I didn't know. And it's gone way beyond Brontosaurus, T-Rexes and like Stegosaurus. You know, that was like our staples. Right, I'm gonna sell like a complete moron. I thought there was like 20. There's like a good- I really didn't- There were only 20 dinosaurs? And they have feathers now and all this shit. Okay, so hold on. So maybe, so this blue Jessica way shouldn't know this either. So did you know, a lot of people don't know this, did you know that the amount of time that dinosaurs were on earth, like the amount of time humans are on earth is like a sliver compared to the amount of time dinosaurs were on earth. Dinosaurs roam the earth for like hundreds of millions of years. Humans have been on here for like a blink of the eye. They definitely lived here for a long time. I mean, that's all, but that gets a little tricky because they found Gobekli Tepe, which they've actually had paintings with them with big, huge beasts that look like dinosaurs. So humans lived with dinosaurs? It's, you know, it's something to consider. Well, let's ask Doug. He's been around- Doug's been around a long time. I think it's a lot further back than- Me and BamBam. Doug, did you ride a dinosaur to school or was it a bus? Yeah, but Dabadoo. But yeah, when I told Jessica that, she's like, what? Yeah. Dude, I didn't know that either. I was never a big dinosaur guy. I didn't- What were you into when you were a kid? I don't know, like micro-machines and hot wheels, stuff like that. Like I was into that. You were never into like science stuff? No, no, no, no. I actually did not like science, dude. I was not a big science guy. He's always trying to debunk it, right? I didn't know that. This is bullshit. You never watched 321 Contact? I mean, that was a great show. It sometimes comes off a little religious to me. That's why. Maybe that's why I was, you know, it sounds- I was right there. I was trying to like, one proves the other. You know, I was always trying to play that game. Yeah. Oh, I loved it. I mean, there is, again, I think there's quite a bit of faith in science also. Sure. I mean, there's like, even just with your carbon dating, I mean, for it to be- No, they can test it, dude. That's not true. What do you mean? They know how fast carbon decays. They know there's a consistent fee. Bro, the fact that there is nobody with anything written that goes back hundreds of millions of years ago- That doesn't matter. They can prove they existed. They don't know how they behaved. That's true. That's true. Yeah, and they're always like just characterizing them based off of like something they just make up. Yeah, look, if you- You still have to have faith. You still have to believe that that is accurate. Do you need faith for math? No, it's not just math. It's math and science. Okay, science in many respects, not all respects. You sound like someone who drank the Kool-Aid, dude. What's that Kool-Aid? What are you talking about? What? There is still- Bro, your headphones work because science made them. That's okay, okay. We're talking about carbon dating right now that goes back hundreds of millions of years. If there's nothing other to cross-reference it with, you just have to have faith that it's accurate. Okay, there's a speed at which carbon decays over time. What is, to how accurate is carbon dating? To the day? No, it's not to the day. Okay, so how much room for air does it have? And does that air grow as the millions of years go? It does, however, they're not gonna say this existed, you know, 10,000 all over the world too, which then they can trace back to like certain big catastrophic events. Oh, look at this Sal, carbon dating is unreliable for objects older than 30,000 years. That's still a long time. Not in comparison to hundreds of millions, Sal. Hold on, that's a Google boom. Hold on, uranium thorium dating may be possible for objects older than 30,000. Bro, all of my point is that it still relies on some faith, bro, still relies on some faith. Sure, the stuff that we don't know, we have to. That's right. That's only according to that. That's my argument. My argument isn't saying that, I'm not trying to say carbon dating's wrong. I'm not saying that, just like I'm not saying I don't think there's a God either. I'm not gonna come out and say some bullshit like that. But I will say that you have to rely on some faith with it, bro. Of course. But it's not all faith, it's not all that. Just like, so are religions. There's a lot of things in religion that they can prove. There's a lot of stuff that's historical in the Bible that they can go back to. But you're comparing two different things, like science is based on the scientific method. Keep drinking the cool egg, guys. No, no, no, there's a scientific method. It's two different things. You can't compare spiritual wisdom to science. You can't compare the two because they're totally different. They're both very valuable. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that it still requires faith. You still are believing in something that you cannot actually cross-reference and prove. So now here's the difference. A scientist will say, this is our best guess. Exactly. Okay, that's not the same as faith. Faith is this is what happened, this is what I believe, and that's it. It's very different. Scientists will say, we think this is, and this is our best guess, and here's why. Very different than faith. You have somebody with faith in this. And it's only reliable when it becomes law, right? Because they've tested it, the hypothesis over and over again, and sometimes it doesn't replicate. And so then it doesn't become law. So it's just this constant thing that I think we should always look into it and reassess it. But you think it's a mistake to compare the two because they're both different. Yeah, but you don't start the sentence with, it's our best guess that this is 300 million years. You say this is 300 million years old. You say it as if it's a fact. But you don't lead, you do not lead with, oh, we believe that it's 300 million. You say it's 300 million years old. That's why I'm calling you out on it. Hold on a second. 300 million years, let's say the error rate is 10%. It's still 200 million, at least 200 million years old. Which 30,000 is what the number Doug just pulled up. So that's still. Well, we gotta look up what kind of accuracy and stuff. But that's our best, you're right. That's our best way of testing these things. Well, when did the Olmecs roam the earth? What is that? Exactly. Exactly. They don't know. They don't know how long they've been on the earth, but they know they existed. Justin just made his point. Boo. So what in the fuck science? Thank you, Justin. Thank you. Yeah, what about the giant humans? You ever seen those old ruins, where they see like these huge feathers? Yeah, but now you're getting into like, yeah, that's, I mean, that's up for grabs. My point though. But the Olmecs are real. I just, I didn't get into it as a kid. As a kid, I didn't. I was actually more into math. I actually liked math. I love math a lot more because I did. Two plus two is always four. There's no other way you can look at it. It's a fact. It's law, right? So I enjoyed that stuff. And then I was into sports and cars. So I never went through a phase where that. I mean, I'm more into science now as I'm older. I'm very interested. Even though it's all bullshit, right? No. You pay me like that. Don't do that to me. I just want to know the inner workings of things. Like how things work, why we're here, all that stuff. No, I mean, I'm very intrigued by it now. I mean, that's half of why we're all friends and we enjoy this and speculating and doing these things like that. But I was not, as a young kid, I was into playing sports and into cars and into things like that and baseball cars and shit, did not go through. No, I went through like a dinosaur phase. I went through a phase of sharks. I went to a phase of like the Bermuda Triangle. Like it was a whole period there where the Bermuda Triangle was like, all I read about from this whole time. So yeah. And then I got into Colts, which you guys know. Like it's just like a pastime for me. Oh, Colts. Yeah, Colts. I thought you were saying Colts. I mean, to me, to me, that's a horse, you have a horse calendar, you know. That's a very natural progression, I feel like, because you were somebody who challenged when you were in church as a kid, right? Yeah, always. I was always asking questions and they weren't very good about like providing answers in terms of like substantial answers that like were grounded in reality. So I was always like, I'm just trying to figure it out. And so I've been watching this new series on HBO Max that I'm loving so far. It's about Heaven's Gate. So are you guys familiar with that? Are those the people that poison themselves waiting for the Haley Bop comic? Yeah, so Adam's like, I know, it's a scratch my brain. But, you know, like the Rajneesh and like, I don't know how you pronounce that, but that was another cult that was like in Oregon. Apparently there's a few of them that came out of Oregon, but so this Heaven's Gate one was crazy because it had like the most suicides in one event in the U.S. Like it like beat out like everything else, you know, cult-wise like this. They're number one. They're number one. They did it. But all these people that found their way into the cult is really what I'm fascinated by. Because a lot of them are really bright, like really smart people that are just like, for some reason, they just want more. You know, they want to figure out more. And just that bit alone, like the two leaders, like it's just so interesting how they can take a lot of familiar information like from Christianity and then they get into Revelation where it's a little bit like, you know, up for interpretation. And they all of a sudden claim that they're the witnesses, right? Okay, so now all of a sudden they have, you know, part of that perspective that they can pass on. And really what was misinterpreted was, you know, that we weren't factoring in UFOs. And so now you're bringing in new, you know, sort of, you know, myth that is in the social construct that people like can grab onto. And so, you know, this pulls in like intellects. Well, I feel like this is what's gonna happen with this whole woke fitness movement right now, right? It's you take a little bit of truth and stuff like that. And then it gets very, it's very cultish with their belief systems. Absolutely. That's what makes it kind of dangerous. But did they all kill them? So they waited for the comment. And the idea was that they killed themselves so their spirit could basically like- Hit your ride? Yeah, hit your ride. That's what I was like. Like just the logic there, I don't know. And was it that they drink poison? Was that what they were doing? Yeah, drink poison. Okay, have you ever seen, so you don't know who this is, right? No, I don't know any of those. So you've never seen the Heavens Game videos? Oh my God, this guy has the ultimate cult face. Bro, like this. Ultimate cult face. Doug, if you can find like- Please, please, right here, please, right here. Please let me see what a cult face looks like, bro. You gotta watch, that's it right there. That's very cult face. You know what I mean? I can get down with that. But he's not even the main like originator of this cult. It was a lady. And it was, I think they named themselves T and Doe as in like the two different like Do Re Mi Fa So La T Doe. Now, do you think that a lot of these guys that start these cults, do you think they have the intentions of manipulating all these people or do you think they just really believe themselves? I feel like you have to believe yourself. He killed himself too. He's like narcissists. Yeah, I think that they believe in their own shit and they're something charismatic and magnetizing about them, right? They're charismatic enough to get all these people to believe in what they're saying. How many people died with this one? Do you know? Yeah, that's a, Doug, can you look that? It was a substantial number for sure. Wow. So by the way- HBO Max again with another great dog. By the way, so- It's really good so far. I'm not finished yet. 39 corpses. 39? So that's the record, huh? All right. That's the record. Suicide record here in the States. So here's what's funny. Knowing this about Justin, right? That he's like super like into cults and how he's like skeptical of like all this kind of stuff. It makes perfect sense. So when I first met you guys- Oh yeah, well he was very- Justin was super like, who's this silver tongue devil? I'm not gonna- He was all weird about it. Yeah, what do you see, dude? When I see these, that's what I think. I'm like, man- Do you have cult potential, Justin? I think you got a little bit. I always think, what if this cult leader actually shifted this to something like that? I bet you that guy could have built an amazing company. Because the attributes that it takes- Of course, use that for something positive. To get buy-in by a large group of people to like basically kill themselves for you. I mean, you could have built the most successful company, like one of the most successful companies in the world if you have that kind of power. Instead, he wanted to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. Yeah, that's where it is. And everybody died, and everybody died. That's crazy. There was that other guy. Wasn't that that one guy that- The Kool-Aid gets a big hit from all these things, right? Like, you think about that? Like, what bad publicity for them? You know, I used it, but where does that saying come from? It's from a different cult. It's from Guyana, the Jim Jones. Yes, he took a bunch of people, where'd they go? Did they go to South America? South America, and they all built their own paradise where they would all live, and it was a compound. And then the way that they all killed themselves was with Kool-Aid, poison Kool-Aid. So that's where the term- That's where it comes from. That's where it comes from. You're drinking the Kool-Aid. Drinking the Kool-Aid. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of these terms come from shit that actually happened, like going postal. Everybody should have a nerdy friend like you guys, you know? If you're a cool person out there and you're watching, you need to find yourself a nerd like Sal. I'm sort of the conduit of like cool guys and nerdy guys. This is, Adam's like, how can I say I'm cool? No, you know what Katrina says? Not in a way. You know what Katrina says when she- Not directly. When we talk about this on the, no, no, she calls me out. When we talk about this on the podcast, she goes like, I don't know why you referenced like you're not a nerd like that. You were just as much of a fucking nerd as you are. She goes, I'm attracted to it. I said I'm very attracted to it. Everybody has a nerdy side. You're just nerdy in a different way, that's all. You remember when you were whatever, babe? Do you remember when you were a kid, a nerd? Do you remember the acronym for nerd when someone said you're a nerd? It'd be like, oh, that's okay. Cause it stands for normal educated radical dude. Do you guys remember that? Oh my God. No, do you- You did, you definitely do. Can we make him a T-shirt? No. Can we make him a nerd? Normal educated radical dude. I'm making you a T-shirt. Radical dude. I want that. Stop doing my voice, Jesse. I don't, I don't sound like that. I haven't done it in a while. Hey, I got some more cool information on creatine. Let's hear it, nerd. Creatine. Man, you really got him going. Yeah, by the way, these days, nerds run the world. This is true. This is true. So anyway, cool information on creatine, some more information. Number one, I've been reading studies on creatine and depression. Did you guys know that creatine actually has some anti-depressive effects on people? Man. So they'll find that when people supplement it that they'll notice a reduction in depressed like symptoms. Now, do you think that just because of the boost of energy that you're gonna get from it? Oh yeah, caffeine does the same thing. All that stuff, right? But obviously, creatine's very healthy as well. Here's another interesting study. They did a study where they had people who had an injury, or actually the way they did the studies they had people immobilize one of their arms and they gave half of them creatine, the other half not creatine. Just to see, because when you don't move something, let's say you break your arm or whatever, you lose a lot of muscle very quickly. Just because they supplemented with creatine, they lost less muscle and less strength than people who didn't. So if you're going into surgery or you have a broken bone or an injury. So just for preservation. And you want to reduce the muscle loss and strength loss that comes from that. Supplementing with creatine is part of a good strategy. I'm so surprised that we don't see more like food companies like. It's coming. Yeah, putting it in. You know how we saw the protein movement that you called like years ago? Like when are we going to see that with creatine? It's coming, dude. Creatine just going to start to be on. I can see it like infiltrating like some of the sports drinks for sure. It already has done that. Yeah, bang has done that. Yeah, you know, that's already happened. So that's already. And I'm saying like just normal. Like the way we are, the way we do like vitamins and things in cereal. For sure. Like when is it going to be like creatine cereal for your kid? And it's not really that expensive. Creatine's one of the cheaper supplements that you can get out there in bulk. So I would think that they would sprinkle it in there. In fact, there are studies not on pregnant women, but they did these with animals where they gave the animals some creatine and the babies or whatever when they were born came out healthier and stronger. I think this is going to be a supplement that they're going to recommend to everybody at some point. Speaking of bang, you guys ever see a picture of the CEO of bang? Of course, dude. He looks exactly as you would imagine. Have you ever seen him? Oh, you have like highlighted tips. Bro, did you see him? I tried to create a character around him. I didn't use it for a video, but like he was like my total muse. Imagine the guy that invented bang energy drinks. What do you think he looks like? He's got patchy bald hair. He's got like this like Hawaiian shirt and the stupid gold chains. Watch this. He's like your ultimate, oh yeah. And he's like, ah, I'm bang, ah. That's it right there, bro. He looks exactly, look at that picture right there in the middle. Exactly. I remember the first like fitness convention that I went to when bang was first coming on the market and like they must have had their, first of all, they had one of the biggest booth areas like rented out. And there must have been 50 people there representing them. 45 of them were girls in booty shorts and like bras. That's it. It's like if every supplement company had sex with Monster Energy drink, then they came out with it. Yeah, totally. Yeah, it's funny that you say that. You know, it's funny, a friend of mine did a post on Instagram the other day and talked about the negativity with media and it's advertising to women. And they were saying that it's because it's male controlled media and it's men doing all the stuff. And I'm like, no, no, no, man. They're not, the guys are not the ones buying it. Just like what you just said with these girls in booty shorts, the whole reason why they do that is because it sells. It'll stop the second we stop buying their shit. Like if you see a company's marketing, I recommend people do this. If you see a company's marketing and you say that's not good. Does it really sell though? I mean, does it? I mean, have you ever heard something like, you know, I picked bang up because man, there's like 40 hot chicks and bikinis. I don't think that you're saying that. I know, but if you're subconsciously, you think that's what people are doing. They're buying it because of that. You're like the target audience, right? You're a 25 year old dude. You want an energy drink. You're walking into the supplement place. Over here is like one with a chart about how effective the supplements are over here. Or is it just that the other companies in the space, the energy space have used those marketing tactics and then he's just trying to be competitive against those companies? I think it's just more of like, just marketing rules. They say it takes an average of like three times before you see a company, right? Before you make a purchase. I think that like, you know, it's, it's totally cemented in my mind that I can picture that walking into that convention and there was hundreds of booths, guess which one stands out in my mind? Of course. So now why does it stand out? Because of all the girls. Music, right. So they don't have stripper poles. So that's why I think it works, right? Because it's, I remember. Yeah, it gets your attention. I mean, but so would a bunch of naked dudes running around with a bang. I don't know, it would be not the same thing. It wouldn't, okay. So a naked dude dancing typically doesn't even get the attention of women. They tend to be like, ugh, get me away from that. The girls tend to sell better to girls and guys. We've tried that angle, didn't we? But my point is this, if you don't, if you think that something's negative or portraying a negative, just don't buy their shit. If everybody did that, man, oh boy, would this shit change very quickly? Well, speaking of friends posting stuff, I don't know if you guys saw Ben Greenfield posted just yesterday and I did not know that Chili had this. So I want, so Chili, our partner, has this gravity blanket. I believe it weighs 25 pounds. Doug, you can look it up for me. Oh, I love weighted blankets. And you know, I've actually never tried one. I've heard all kinds of great things about it. But what's cool about this one is it plugs into your chili unit so you can either cool it or heat it. Oh shit, you can cool it. A cooling blanket? So now from the top and the bottom. And it's, yes, and it's a gravity. So I'm- Make a nice cold burrito. I'm ordering- Justin's a steak burrito. Are you looking it up, Doug, right now for me? There's a steak in there. What's the weight on? I think it's 25 pounds, right? Is that heavy? I mean, that sounds heavy to me for once. It is heavy. I have a 10 pound one at home in that field. By the way, gravity blankets are really good for people with things I- There it is right there. Oh yeah, they're fantastic. I bought Courtney one for that reason specifically. And so- Like it'd be on the couch with that on and it helps, you know, calm it down. Settle her down or whatever. 15 pounds, let's see what size that is. Yeah, there might be different options, but 15 is even, is really good. Yeah, I thought- I thought I heard Ben say 25 pounds is what I thought I heard him say. So Ben's gonna go- Or higher. I thought it was either 25 or like 50, I thought. I'll have to look back in his book. Damn, a 50 pound blanket? I don't know. I know. That might be a little excessive. A little kid on my chest. It looks to me only the 15 pound. Maybe he said 15, I thought 50? Maybe. Yeah, maybe that's what happened. Bro, 50 pounds would be a little- Well, I know. It got my attention. It got my attention. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ah! Honey! Honey! What? I can't get out of bed. Yeah, that would bother me. Can't breathe. If it's too heavy, you guys, I hate when people, what's it called, short tuck the sheets at the bottom. Oh, yeah. You know, because my feet- I can't do it. Yeah, my feet need too big. Well, it's not just that, but you don't want your feet to fold out. Right. Or push back. So Jessica's got freedom. She's got ridiculous mobility in this direction. So she could flex her, is that, no, that's extend, right? Her ankles. And she could put them out real, like she's got this crazy toe point. So she'll lay in bed like this. My feet don't do that. She's a dorsiflex. Yeah, they pull up like this. Yeah, and so then you get like cramps in your toes, because it rolls your toes. I hate dorsiflexing. I hate that. Why don't you like it? Because, dude, it's just like, it's not a comfortable state for me. How do you like it? Dude, I, freedom. You know, just, oh man. I like to rip the sheets out. I'll even hang my feet out. I can't tuck them in. I'm a one leg under and one leg over the sheet guy. I like the sheets in between my legs. One leg under, one leg over. Spoon the sheets. Just, yeah. No, I'm just ready to rock and roll. Just making love to it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Hey, I hope you're enjoying this podcast. Real quick, head over to mindpumpfree.com. Check out all of our free stuff. We have a ton of free stuff that we give our listeners great information. Again, it's mindpumpfree.com. All right, enjoy the rest of the podcast. Our first caller is Olivia from Toronto, Canada. Hi, Olivia. How can we help you? Hey guys, I'm a big fan of your show. I actually just started listening a few weeks ago and I'm like binging a few episodes every day. It's awesome. Oh, thank you. I just bought match performance. I have been doing it for, I just did it for a week now. I'm a week into it. But I was wondering if there's any changes or modifications I can make to the program to enhance my performance in my sport, which is football, like American football. Oh, very cool. What position? So I play wide receiver and quarterback, mainly quarterback in the summer and then wide receiver for my university. Awesome. And this is full on American football. So it's tackle, correct? No, so it's contact flag. I guess I should have specified. So we block and we have an O line and a D line, but we don't wear equipment. We pull flags instead of tackling. So it's more speed related than I guess, strength. Okay, so the couple of things I would recommend. One is continue to practice the skills of your particular sport. So sometimes the mistake that people make when they start working out to improve their performance is they trade skill training with just getting stronger in the gym. And this is not necessarily a good idea because if you get really strong but you lose some of your skill, then that strength on the field doesn't translate very well. So make sure you continue with your skills training. As far as modifying the workout, map performance is really, really well put together for general overall performance. The modifications would need to be very, very specific to the individual. And I would focus mainly on areas that you notice you tend to have pain or mobility issues. So if you notice that you have issues like in your hips or your knees or your shoulders, especially after playing a really intense game, then I would use a program like Maps Prime Pro to identify those areas because that will give you the most bang for your buck in terms of the performance on the field. Yeah, I'm curious as to what you see in there that you wanna modify a little, like more specifically towards football because it's pretty close to something I would program to a football player kind of going off season then bringing them into season. There's some things that you can do. If you are well versed in Olympic lifts or you can do a hang clean, the opportunity there when we have high poles like programmed in there, that's something that I do suggest like some athletes if they have training already where they could substitute and add a little bit more type power lifts or Olympic lifts rather in that direction. So other than that, I think it's pretty specifically. Well, what about for that? What about, I mean, what do you think, Justin, about adding either like some footwork drills to mobility days? So I could see like acceleration, deceleration working on and doing like footwork drills that would carry over into her sport on mobility days. Sure, yeah, and even in phase three, I mean, we have like it's speed power and so there's a lot of acceleration, deceleration type explosive moves that you're gonna be working on. I do see some value in footwork. However, you know, if you're gonna get more specific in the endurance part of it, that's where you can structure it around, you know, time it around the amount of effort that you're gonna put out per play. So you can do more like 50 yard sprints. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking, I'm not like, of course, the way the programming is set up is to get her better overall on that, but I mean very specific drills for a wide receiver and a quarter wide receiver or a quarterback. So like a throwing drill, run your patterns. Exactly, run your patterns, doing the takeoff for wide receiver stuff, accelerating your cuts and just in those short bursts and programming that on like mobility days. Since the program itself on foundational days are gonna give her the overall strength, I would focus on maybe adding those into the routine. And when you do that, just make sure you don't go too intense with it for the mobility days of there is like, so as you get further in the program, it actually focuses more on the endurance, endurability portion of it. So where I would probably add even more of that, but yeah, just to maintain the skills and the movement, I think that is a good idea. Yeah, and a big factor that can influence what kind of drills you would do is your experience with your sport. So how long have you been playing football competitively? So I played basketball for like six or seven years and I got a few like scholarships to the US, but I had like a bad concussion at the time and I had to give them up, took a year off and then I found football just by chance. So I've been playing now, I transitioned to football for I think five or six years now, I was receiver for a long time and now they're putting me at like a, sort of a running quarterback sort of thing. Okay, and that helps a lot, right? Cause if you don't have a ton of experience, let's say you're athletic, but you don't have a ton of experience playing the sport, then you're probably biggest value is gonna be just playing scrimmages, practicing as often as possible and getting really good at it. But because you've been playing for about five years, some of these drills that the guys just mentioned would probably provide you a lot of value. Just remember that. Remember when you're following mass performance, what you can expect is strength, power, durability, but what you won't get from it is improvement in skill. So practice the skill along with following the program. What you don't wanna necessarily do, and I wanna stress this, is get really strong, but also lose skill. Cause then you'll find yourself on the field, not necessarily any better off, even though you're stronger because you've lost some of your skill in your technique. That's why I envision, I mean, if you're a client of mine, this is what I envision. I envision having three mobility days and I imagine that you have access to one of your wide receivers, one of your friends. Yeah. Okay, so I would go down to like a field somewhere outside with one of your wide receiver friends and I would do start the day with mobility work. So both of you do some mobility drills to warm up and work on your mobility, and then you go right into your footwork drill. So running little routes and plays and dropping back and that's what the rest of the day would look like. I think you doing that is going to continue to increase your skills in the sport and then the programming will take care of everything else. Yeah, and if you don't have Maps Prime Pro, we'll send that over to you, Olivia, cause I think that you're gonna find a lot of value in that, especially for the areas that tend to bother you after playing or practicing really hard. So you'll pick the area that tends to bother you and then practice the movements that are in Maps Prime Pro for those areas and that should help you quite a bit. Thank you so much. That's awesome. I just have one more part of the question. So I just finished actually a month ago or two months ago, a 15 week like progressive overload like lifting program that I sort of found online. And I put on 10 pounds, like some muscle, whatever, but I kind of hindered my progress with overtraining and whatnot, but I still had some progress and but because I've put on 10 pounds, I'm noticing like I sort of did what you guys did. I put on the strength, but not skill specific and I'm feeling it a bit on the field when I'm going to jump and stuff. So I've been trying to be in like a calorie deficit a little bit to shed some of the weight for my summer season. Can you be on like in, can you do Maps performance well in a calorie deficit or would you guys not recommend that? Yeah, sure, great idea. You totally can. I just wouldn't do too big of a deficit when training really hard. But here's the other thing too is that, I don't know what your program was before. You said progressive overload. I'm assuming it was very strength and muscle building focused. Just practicing your skills, jumping, lateral movement. You can actually take that strength and start to kind of convert it to more performance-based strength because you can get really strong from just doing barbell squats and build muscle. And for most people, that'll make them jump higher and move faster. But if you were an athlete before and you moved really well and then you built that muscle but you didn't let the skills follow it, you might actually lose a little bit of that ability because the weight to strength ratio or explosive strength ratio might change a little bit. So sometimes you don't necessarily need to lose the weight unless it was body fat. Sometimes all you need to do is train that new weight in ways that make it more beneficial for your sport. Okay, yeah, sure. That makes sense. Get used to my new extra eight pounds. Exactly, exactly. Thanks for calling. Okay, thanks so much for having me in things. Thanks for everything. You guys are awesome. No problem. Yeah, I remember back in the day when I was with compete and grappling that I've always loved resistance training way more than I loved anything else, right? And I would go through these phases where I would put on muscle and I would only do like one day a week of judo or jiu-jitsu. And then I'd go back to training real hard in those sports. And although I was bigger and stronger, I wasn't really performing any better. And I was just like, and I knew why. It was because I lost skill, but I gained strength. I mean, skill is, if you were to list in sports performance, skills number one, then all the contributing factors to skill follow. But skill has got to be number one. I mean, I feel like, and Justin, correct me if I'm wrong because I don't think this is, the three of us. This meeting is being recorded. It's being recorded, Adam. Thank you. I think of the three of us. I don't think this is, this isn't my expertise, but I've trained many clients like this. And my recommendation would be, you know, at least three days of the mobility work with the skills training with the foundational days. If I saw that her strength and or her training was starting to hinder her movement on the field, she's getting slower. Her reaction time isn't there. She's not improving on her skill. I would scale back another day off of foundations and increase to another mobility and skills training day. Yeah, definitely. I think that's smart. And I do like evaluate to whether or not they're like a beginning athlete or if they've already established a good foundational strength to work with or you know, if this is somebody that's a little more seasoned. And a lot of times like you don't really need to add a lot more strength to these athletes. I think that's something that, you know, is pushed a lot on athletes, but you know, it does tend to the focus gets, you know, shifted in terms of like, if they just focus more on their skill or on their overall quality of their movement, you know, it may aid even more in their performance than previously. So I think it's really, and I had the same experience where I gained weight because my position had changed. I had to be like an inside backer versus an outside backer. So I had to gain like 20 pounds. And coming back was very difficult because it didn't maintain all the skills training that went with that added weight. So just getting acclimated to the new body, you know, that took time on its own. Yeah. And one more thing and athletes don't usually understand this until much later. The biggest bang for your buck that you'll get with sports, especially if you play pretty consistently year after year, is just preventing injury. Like just focus on- That's the real game. If you just focused on preventing injury. It makes a huge difference. At the high level, that's all it's focused on. That's it, especially at the high level. Yeah, yeah. Once you get to, you know, college pro and so like that, they don't, it's all about injury prevention. Our next caller is Shawn from California. What's up, Shawn? How can we help you? Hey guys, just wanted to first say I really appreciate all the content you put out and I really enjoy a lot of the podcast episodes. So just to give you some background. Yeah, just to give some background, I played a lot of water polo and swimming when I was growing up. And I do have a little bit of a background in strength training that right now I'm coming off a training protocol for a half Ironman. So just wondering which of your programs would you recommend just wanting to, as I transition out of kind of endurance training, I know you guys have talked about the benefits of resistance training and strength training. So just which program do you guys, would you recommend that would be a good one to start with? I mean, I know you guys have Matt Starter obviously, but I already do have a pretty strong background in strength training with, I mean, just the form technique of the bench squat deadlift. So I wasn't sure if maybe I could go into math performance or math systematic or something, or if any of those programs would be suitable to maybe combine with occasional cardio or endurance training, whether that be swimming or running. Maps anabolic. Yeah, so actually quick question, Shawn. You just finished your half marathon. How long ago? I'm half Ironman training. So it was about three weeks ago and I did kind of a mock half Ironman just because all the races have been canceled for the past year. So I decided just to do it, but just on my own without the actual sanctioned event. Okay, and then for people who don't know, half Ironmans are insane. It's just a really, really tough, grueling type competition. Do you, would you say you're more likely to over train or under train your body? I definitely have a tendency to over train. I've had that issue in the past. So I know you guys have talked about like kind of welcoming people to change part of the training plans, but I know that I kind of have a tendency I might overdo it. So I was wondering if you do have a certain one that may be better for combining with occasional cardio versus something that's maybe like a twice a day training. I know that wouldn't be good for me right now. Yeah, I would. Okay, so we definitely want to scale back for a little while. You know, they've actually done studies and shown that when people train for really intense physical performances, it actually can take the body as long as months to get back its recovery ability. So it's actually causes issues for people. And now as somebody like yourself who trains real hard, you're used to the way it feels and you know, any improvement feels good. So you're like, oh, I can push myself. So it's gonna be very important that you pay attention to that. So Adam said maps and Ebola, I think that's the perfect program for you. It's not gonna over train your body. It's gonna build lots of strength. Now, if you want to train in a way with resistance that's more athletic minded, then I would go maps performance. Maps performance will also build a lot of strength and muscle on your body. But there's a lot of, there's a special emphasis on athletic performance. So if that's like what you like to do. Yeah, but I still think he would be more, if he was your client and you had the choice, what would you do? You know, anabolic, wouldn't you? It depends, right? Because performance also has the mobility. It depends on what he did for the Ironman training and also what he's gonna stick to. Maps and Ebola is definitely very straightforward, muscle building performance has a little bit of that athletic. I'm kind of in that hybrid kind of, I love the maps and Ebola in terms of phase one. And I love that protocol. However, I do love mobility training sessions in between. But I mean, you do get a lot of benefit from the trigger sessions in anabolic for that specific reason of recovery. But I would like you to focus a bit more on reinforcing your joints and really going through that recovery process because I'm sure there was a lot of stress and potential underlying issues that may result in the future. The reason why I'm still gonna keep pushing anabolic is that I think not only does he need this physically, I think he also needs it mentally. I think if he has a tendency to overtrain and this is what's, and not to mention, we all know what was ideal for the next program. So the ideal order would be anabolic right now followed by performance. So we will address mobility, but right now you're going from this super high level amount of volume of training. One of the best things that he could possibly do is to reduce that down to two or three days of foundational training. If you want, and if it was a client, right? And this is where our programs are not perfect, right? So maybe to Justin and Sal's point, I would make you run anabolic, but instead of trigger stuff, I would have more mobility type focus things. There's nothing wrong with that, right? So you can take and you can modify even our program. So, you know, because you guys all, I think we all agree that mobility should be focused and recovery and that's where he should be thinking, but I also am thinking just the volume of training and performance definitely ramps up from anabolic as far as the volume of training. Yeah, the volume goes up. And I think he needs to go all the way down to anabolic and I think it's going to be very hard for him. I think he's going to have to mentally challenge himself to stick to the programming and then I would move to performance. Two to three days a week is going to be a tough shift. Yeah, I mean, you make a really good case, Adam. So do you have access to maps anabolic? I don't know, because I was looking at both maps anabolic and performance, but I know, I mean, recovery is a huge component to muscle building and getting strength back and just with all the gyms being shut down for the past year. So I haven't really only been doing body weight training. So I was leaning towards anabolic, but just wanted to get some advice from you guys. Okay, so we'll give you maps anabolic. On the trigger session days, focus on mobility. Focus on joint movement and making your joints feel healthy. In other words, treat those days as active recovery days throughout the whole program. It's a three month program and that should be good. At the end of that three months, you should feel pretty strong and good. And then mass performance would definitely be a good follow. I would love to see you do maps anabolic and then follow the webinar that I did on primeprowebinar.com. So go to primepro, it's free and literally follow that routine. I think that routine is a great routine. Do those on the days in between. That's right, do those on the days in between. So follow maps anabolic to a T the way it's structured on the trigger session days, follow that mobility routine that I created a webinar around. I think that's a really good place for you to be. And then after you get through anabolic, then I would transition you into performance. That to me, that would be the most ideal. And again, I'm gonna challenge you on the mentality part because I know you're an athlete. I know you're gonna want more and you're gonna have to resist that. Yeah, definitely get that. It's my parents been telling me the same exact thing for you. So I definitely appreciate all your help, guys. Awesome, no problem. Thanks for calling. You guys familiar with the distances of Iron Man? It's low, bro. So I looked it up because Iron Man shit is rigid. Cause you gotta swim, you gotta bike, you gotta run, it's ridiculous. Well, here it is. I just pulled it up because I didn't remember the, I've trained, let me think, five people who trained for a half Iron Man and then one of them went on to do a full Iron Man. But here's a half Iron Man. Just so people know what we're talking about. It's a one and a half mile swim, a 56 mile bike ride and a 13 mile run. So this is a half Iron Man. Just to get an idea of- Which is a half marathon and a, what's considered like the long distance for bike? Oh, what, a century, a hundred miles? So it's more than half of that. Right, right. So it's more than a half century, more than a half a marathon and then also the swim all combined. It's insane. And that's a half marathon or a half Iron Man. So when I trained, I had one guy that I used to train that was just really, he was actually a, he was an ear, nose and throat specialist and a surgeon. Really smart guy, high performing, everything he did really high performing. He hired me for the half Iron Man's and we really had to feel things out, right? Because it was really hard not to over train them cause he was doing so much biking, swimming and running all the time. You know what it turned into? One day a week of resistance training and in a lot of those days were moderate intensity. I would say probably one to two workouts a month, we pushed the intensity. The rest of them were like mobility. Have you ever seen, I mean, first of all, a lot of people don't even finish those Iron Man's. Oh, the goal is to finish. Yeah, exactly. The goal is, can you just complete it? And have you ever seen some people crossing the finish line on those Iron Man's? Oh yeah. Like crawling to like finish it. Bodies like all shaky and it's, it's crazy. Yeah, because so when I trained the guy I was like, he would notice decreases in his performance and so I had to scale it so far down. And then finally we hit the magic number. Well, that's the thing, I mean, it takes all of your focus, you know, like that's the thing is the endurance part of it is gonna make up the majority of what you're doing because you have to, I mean, that's just the bottom line. And this is why I'm pushing towards Anabalk so hard because let me tell you, it's gonna be so hard for this guy to make that switch. I mean, the mental discipline it takes to train for an Iron Man is like the opposite spectrum of what I'm asking you to do to go train two foundational days or three foundational days. And that's actually one of the reasons why I said performance at first, because one of my fears is it'll be- Will you ease him off a little bit? Yeah, because it's gonna be such a big difference. Like he'll do it for a few weeks as I screw it. I don't wanna do this anymore. I mean, that's a fair point. It's a fair point. But I think we can all agree that we know what his body needs the most. What his body needs the most is something more like Anabolic, you're right. He might be so addicted to that crazy training maybe easing him off, you know, instead of almost feeling like you're cutting cold, totally. Our next caller is Kelly from Mississippi. Hi Kelly, how can we help you? Hi, thanks so much for talking to me today. Super excited to get your take on my question. So once upon a time, I was a gym rat, qualified gym rats that all the time in the gym really loved cardio, which I know you guys love. I was a Zumba instructor, half marathon runner, Tabata hit, you name it. And then really got into strength training, realized the benefit of strength training tracked away from so much cardio. Also formerly had a pretty terrible eating disorder. And I think I actually moved into more of like ortho-Xia. And so that went on, really started to pay more attention to nutrition until I got really sick and was sick for about two and a half years with an undiagnosed medical condition. But then very recently, as of eight months ago was diagnosed, I'm now a medication, it's controlled. But I am basically starting from scratch. And I know I've read your book, Sal Loved It, is a lot of really fantastic advice. I needed to hear a lot of it. But I'm basically starting from scratch and as much as I hate that, I'm really looking at this as a clean slate to do nutrition right, to do rest right. I'm now back in the gym exercising with a little bit more weight, trying to build some strength and build that muscle back. But I would really love all of your opinions on what is the, what, if you had somebody that it was like clean slate, they have muscle memory, they know their way around the gym, what would be your best advice for somebody who wants to really tackle this with a lot of smart technique to really make sure that they're getting as strong as they can for life. Okay, Kelly, you're amazing, by the way. Yeah, this is great. This is really, really great. And a couple of things before, Sal, I let you take off. One, shout out to Zumba, because Justin is a huge, is a huge Zumba fan. My Zumba people! And then Sal, if you could break down what orthorexia is before you get into your rant and then I'll let you take it from there. Yeah, so orthorexia is where you're just, you're really obsessed about eating clean or healthy. So it's a bad relationship with food, but the driver is I want to eat perfect. I want to eat perfectly healthy. It can cause people a lot of stress. It could... Very common in bodybuilding, right? It is, and it can take away from your relationships with other people. It can make, essentially what you eat takes over your life in many respects. Okay, so I want to help you, but I think I could best help you if I know what the condition is that you've been diagnosed with now. If you don't want to say, okay, go ahead, tell us what it is. Yeah, so I have something called Masked Cell Activation Syndrome, and it caused a spontaneous CSF leak. Okay, okay, so can you go into a little more detail with that? I'm assuming that affects your central nervous system and causes your... Yes. Okay. Yeah, so a CSF leak is when you tear a hole in the dura around your spinal cord. So your spinal fluid leaks out into the body and it causes your brain to sink down on top of the spinal cord, causes a really horrible headache. It's really hard to diagnose them. The Masked Cell Activation Syndrome is your immune system attacking your connective tissue. So similar to an autoimmune condition, but not an autoimmune condition. Okay, that really helps a lot. Okay, so in my experience, okay, now of course I want to disclaimer, I'm not a doctor, in my experience I've trained a lot of people with autoimmune issues that affect the body. And in all of those situations, what you don't want to do is train the body harder or longer than you need to because that tends to trigger autoimmune reactions. So if I'm training someone who, they get really inflamed, for example, I would notice like their inflammation would kick up. So let's say the average person I train a little too hard, ah, they're just sore for a little longer, not a big deal. With somebody who has an overactive immune system, that can turn into weeks or months of getting back to recovery. So my number one piece of advice to you is go really slow. Now this may be hard for someone like you with your background, right? Because you're used to working out hard, you have a bit of a skewed perception of intensity, you know, I can go low. So I'm gonna say- I love starter for this. Always, yeah, always err on the side of going easy. And I would like you to treat your exercise like practice, don't ever treat it like a workout. So when you go to the gym, forget that you're training your quads or your hamstrings or your shoulders. Think to yourself instead, I'm gonna get really good at shoulder presses. I'm gonna get really good at- Lean into the technique of all these exercises. That's it, just treat them like skills, 100%. Go to moderate to low intensity and just get better at the skills. That will give you, that'll give you way more dividends than going to work your body out like you're gonna do a workout. Adam said, map starter, I agree. I think map starter is a great way to get going. And again, I can't stress this enough. Err on the side of less, okay? It's better, it's better that you progress slower because you're doing too little than doing too much and knocking yourself into a case where now you have to stay at home and sit in bed for the next couple of months because you've caused the flare up. So really go easy, really go slow and just remember that too much intensity or working out too hard or too long, it's not just gonna be like, oh, I need to take next week off or go easier. It could turn into months of being into a flare up. And be competitive with yourself with the technique. Like, I mean, watch the model in the videos and the goal should be, can I make the form look even better, more controlled and better? So you can still have this kind of athletic, competitive mindset, but just switch it from sweating and burning and trying to hurt and put pain on yourself to more like, can I make this look better than the model performing the exercise and be competitive with yourself in that? Slowing the repetition down and being very meticulous to how you move the weights and the position of your body as you do the exercises. So, and that's why I like Starter, Starter has got stability ball stuff on there. There's a lot of stability exercises. So there's a lot of things that are gonna just challenge your balance and form and technique, really air on that side. And even as you progress and move out of Starter and maybe into another program like Anna Ball, do not leave that mindset. I just, this was actually how I train my clients for most of my clients for most of my career is lay that solid foundation of just getting perfect at all the movements, be more focused on that than adding weight to the bar or repetitions. Okay, I like that, I like that a lot. I actually heard you say that about practice on a previous episode and I really appreciated that. It's not something that I had ever really thought of as a person who I've always really respected weight and really respected technique and form and I've always strived for that. But the thought of really approaching that as practice had never occurred to me. And so even this morning when I went to the gym, I thought, okay, we're just practicing shoulder presses. We're just practicing that. And it really did change the workout. I love that advice so much. So I'll gear my competitive nature towards myself at just getting really, really good at practicing all of the techniques. Yeah, because the key is gonna be to control that inflammatory response. Right. And you need some of an inflammatory response. That's part of how the body adapts. But in your case, the inflammatory response can trigger a remission. It can get you to the point where you're like, oh my God, it starts to kind of get out of control. The other things I would look into are eating in ways to reduce the inflammatory response. Sleep is probably gonna be really important. Yes. And then this, again, I'm not a doctor so I'm just gonna encourage you to look this up for yourself. But I would look into cannabinoids and how that may help with your body's inflammatory response and your immune response. But also talk to your doctor. I'm assuming you're on immune suppressing drugs. So talk to your doctor before you try anything to help yourself out. Okay, great, great. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. No problem. And by the way, we're gonna send you map starter if you don't already have it. Oh, I don't. Thank you so much. I actually was looking at the programs that you listed in the book, Sal, and was thinking, would this be something I should do? Or, so that's great. Thank you so much. Yeah, actually the programs in the books will do you just fine as well. But map starter also. But you go ahead and start with map starter since there's videos that great. Okay, okay, okay. That's great. Thank you so much. No problem. Awesome. Why do I love her so much? Is it the accent? Just a great mentality. Is that what it is? I can't tell if it's the accent or maybe- She's got a great attitude. No, she does. I mean, you could tell that she's done her homework. You know what I'm saying? And you could tell she's got a great attitude towards health and fitness. Like really, really cool. And talk about very unfortunate situation to be in. I don't think I've trained a client with that condition. Not that. That's super rare. Yeah, super specific. I've trained lots of people with issues that flare up when the intensity gets too high. Fibromyalgia, being one of the multiple sclerosis is another one I could have. You know, it's like exercise can be the best medicines. Resistance training in particular can be the best medicine, but like any medicine- It's all about the dose. Yes, too much becomes poison, literally. So you have to err on the side of less and just allow that medicine to do its job and it's hard, right? Especially when you're someone like her, who, you know, what she did before, you want to change the definition of working out. Totally. Our next caller is John from Arizona. Hey, what's up John? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. I was listening a couple of weeks ago and you had talked to somebody about splitting your workout sessions in half. And my question was, should I take my exercises and do like the first five exercises in the morning and the second five in the afternoon? Or should I take all the exercises and kind of split the sets in half and do all the exercises in the morning, half the sets and then the second half of the sets in the afternoon? Yeah, this is a really, really good question. And fun one. And a fun one. So the old school way of doing it, it's called a double split routine is the old bodybuilder style. And this was a routine that got popular in the 70s. You see guys like Arnold and Franco and all those bodybuilders back then. What they would do is they would do the first option that you said, right? They'd come in the morning and they'd do chest and back and then later on they'd come in the afternoon and do shoulders and biceps or something like that, right? Now, when we look at Olympic lifters or other types of lifters, it's a little bit different. They tend to do the second option where they're practicing, rather than doing 10 sets of squats all at once, they'll do five in the morning and five in the evening. Now I've personally experimented with both and I do have a preference. The preference I have is for the second option. I've gotten stronger and better by splitting the workout, absolutely. So rather than doing four sets of, let's say I have to do four sets for chest, four sets for back, four sets for shoulders. I'll do two of each in the morning and then in the afternoon. And the reason why I changed my opinion, because I would have said the first option before, is because I started experimenting with these all day workouts, where I would do three sets of the same exercises every other hour, all day long. And I noticed some very interesting things, like I actually got stronger as the day progressed and I was able to do this tremendous amount of volume and I noticed I got like built muscle very quickly from doing it. And I think most people benefit from that practicing the movement kind of more frequently than they would from just hammering a muscle with more volume all at once. So I'm gonna lean more towards the splitting up the sets for this particular question. I did not think you were gonna go that way. I did not think you were gonna go that way at all. And I don't disagree with you. My answer would have been like, there's no wrong answer here. And I would encourage you actually to try both. I mean, just because the only drawback I would think of for the way you're explaining right now, Sal, is somebody getting into the groove, right? So if you, let's say squats, right? So let's say you have four sets of squats and you're only gonna do two sets of squats in the morning. I mean, sometimes I feel like it takes me till my second or third squat. That's immediately what I would have thought. It was like, yeah, sometimes you might need that third set to really like get into, you know, the feel of it and really, you know, get into that sweet spot. But yeah, I've noticed the same thing though, splitting it up, you know, and working on the second to latter half of the day. It's like, it's just nice because now we're just reiterating on that signal you were sending earlier and, you know, your body just feels the difference of that. I guess this is why I knew it was gonna be a fun question because I don't think there is a wrong answer here, right? So it's really up to the user. It is, and you know what's funny? It's like, I've done the double split stuff before and I didn't notice a huge benefit aside from the fact that, you know, maybe if the workout was too long all at once that I have a little bit more stamina if I rest for a few hours and then come back. It wasn't a huge benefit, but when I did the set split and I would do the same exercise again later in the day, I noticed a much bigger benefit. It was like, it wasn't just cutting the workout half. Oh, see, I feel, I disagree. So I feel like when I was able to sit, so what happens to me when we do like a full body routine, right, is, you know, legs and back and chest, they really, they really tax you. They're big muscles. And so I did feel like if, you know, whatever comes after legs or back just doesn't quite get the same intensity towards that where if I got this break it up or the morning time I might do, you know, the legs are back and then I go chest and shoulders and other, you know, later on, I felt like I could give more towards my chest and shoulders because I got that rest. So, you know, again, again, I don't think there's a wrong answer here, John. I do think that this is going to be a personal preference thing. It would be very interesting. And I'd like to hear you play with both and hear what you say. Now, you know what, my, you know, there's a little bit more information I'd like here. How many hours in between the two workouts are we talking? Right now I'm getting up and working out at about five o'clock. I've been doing the RGB bundle for the last year and it'd probably be around the same time in the morning and there would probably be, the earliest would probably be three in the afternoon. So what's that about 10 hours between the two workouts? Okay. Oh, that's good. That's a pretty big gap. And the reason why I asked is, you know, Adam made the comment that it takes him a few sets to get into a squat. We'll actually find with studies that if you prime your body, that effect lasts for a few hours, but you're well beyond that. So you might actually find that. You might actually find that if you did half your squats in the morning, half your squats in the afternoon, you'd still need to prime and stuff just like you did in the morning. So that's actually something to consider. But I swear to God, it is very strange when I do the same volume, but increase the frequency, in other words, rather than doing four sets of bench press in the morning, if I did one set of bench press four times throughout the day, for example, I just get this like, it feels very anabolic. This is where trigger session concept kind of even came from. So experiment with both and see how you feel. I think you'll know pretty quickly. Like you'll do one workout one way, do the next one, the other one, the other way. And I think you'll figure it out pretty quickly which one your body likes better. John, do you own MAPS Prime by chance? I believe I have Prime Pro. Okay, so I'm gonna have Doug send you MAPS Prime because if you do it sows way, my recommendation then would be to make sure that you prime before you least lift. At least that will combat my challenge with it, right? So my challenge with it is the whole getting in the groove, taking me a couple sets just to get in the groove exercise. If you do your due diligence and do a really good job of priming your body before you go into each, both your morning and evening workout, then sows way may be more favorable. But I definitely would recommend utilizing Prime for that. That's really what it's designed to do. So we'll shoot Prime over to you. When you do sows way, when you do it sows way, well, you should do it no matter what, both ways I should say. But I mean, that's definitely, I would put more emphasis on that. All right, thank you guys. I appreciate that. No problem, John. Thanks for calling. Yeah, it's really weird. You know, when I did those workouts, it was such a fricking trip. Yeah, but you also had shorter breaks though. Yeah, I did. But I've also done it where I have long breaks. And I actually experimented exactly with what he said. It is so fricking weird. And the reason why I said you'll feel it right away is because I did. Right away I did it and I was like, this feels very different. Yeah, one thing that I did notice too, it is like maybe four or five hours of difference between the two sessions was, it just wasn't as taxing. Like I felt, you know, like I was less likely to have that feeling of overtraining where you would with like the four sets in a row where I'm like, oh, you know, like sometimes I'll push it a little too far if I'm not checking myself versus splitting like that. It just felt like both sessions were like, you know, charged. Now, Sal, when you did that, are you giving yourself a, you know, like let's say you go into a shoulder press in the morning and the evening time, are you giving yourself like a just moving the bar set that doesn't, it's a non-working set? Are you going right into a working set? No, no, no, no, I would do, I would still do like a five to 10 minute warm-up and then I'd go into the workout, both workouts if the gap was big. Now, when I did the all day workouts, this was the weird, this was really weird. It was every other hour. I would only have to prime for the first workout. Well, yeah, that makes sense, right? Cause you're, like you said, you're already pretty warmed up, you're in good posture, you're connected there, it's not a big gap. So that makes sense that you wouldn't have to prime before, but if you got a nice, you know, 10 hour gap between the workouts, I would imagine it's almost like restarting over again and you got to kind of prime the body, warm-up set, and then go into it. Yeah, I would love to experiment just, and this is just, I don't think this is practical for most people, but you know, obviously we, this is what we do for a living and so we could make this happen. I would love to do, like instead of doing a full body workout in the morning, three sets each exercise, do one set each exercise three times that day. So one workout in the morning, one workout in the afternoon, one workout in the evening, and just note, just see, is there a difference? It's the same total volume, same work. Is there a difference in how my body responds? Well, the second way is what reflects kind of how I train now. With us having a gym here and now that I have the setup in my house, I, you know, you guys will see me, sometimes I just do a few things here. Well, that's not my complete workout. I go home and I do a few more of the same thing. Our next caller is Damien from Minnesota. Hey, what's up Damien? How can we help you? Hey, it is so awesome to be talking to you guys. This is kind of unreal. Yeah, huge fans. Anyway, so I've gone through little context. I've gone through a number of your programs now. I think about five coming up, but I found my way to power list recently, really been loving it over halfway through. And I've worked in the past to be able to pass all three compass tests in Maths Prime. And I prime regularly, you know, work on mobility when appropriate and stuff like that. But I've developed some kind of intense left hip flexor pain that pops up not while I list, but kind of after I list that day or the next day. And I've never had hip flexor issues in the past. I've had some issues with tight hamstrings and a little bit of a self-diagnosed posterior pelvic tilt that I've worked on correcting. So I've never had hip flexor pain before and it just kind of strikes me as a potential issue down the road if I wanna keep power lifting, which I do. So I'd love your thoughts on maybe what's causing that and what I could do to prevent injury in the future if I keep lifting heavy. Yeah, great question Damian. And it's so funny that you just asked this question. So I was just talking to Marlon Chamelle. He's one of our trainers on our YouTube channel. Really, really smart guy, really strong guy, tremendously strong for his body weight. He also competed in power lifting recently. He puts us all to shame. And I just had a conversation with him the other day. He knows his shit very good. And he sends me a message and he goes, you know what's weird? He goes, I was having hip issues. I couldn't figure out what it was. And what it was was my hip flexors were weak. Now this is not common. Usually hip flexors are tightened people. You find weak hip flexors in people that are generally weak but people that tend to lift or train often, you typically don't like work on strengthening their hip flexors. It tends to not necessarily be a solution. But in his case, it was weakness in his hip flexors. He strengthened them and the pain was gone. Now the reason why I'm communicating this to you is because you did the compass test very well. You don't have mobility issues. You've followed all of our programs. I bet I can guess you've never really tested your hip flexor strength. Most people don't. So I'm wondering if you actually have a weakness in your hip flexors. And then the second thing I would say is to look at core stability because they're so closely connected. Look at those two things. Is your core stable and strong enough to support the rest of your body? And do you in fact have a weak hip flexors? And if you do strengthen the hip flexors, that might actually solve your issue. Well, I get it. I want to add to this. Damien, have you ever squatted barefoot and looked at your feet? I've squatted barefoot at home, like with dumbbells, body weight, pistols, stuff like that, but not at the gym with a heavy barbell. Well, and I don't need you to load it heavy, but I would love to see you record your feet. And by the way, I'll have Doug so it sounds like you have most of our programs. Adam's always trying to get foot videos. They're real fetish. This is not for my fetish, Damien, I promise. They're trying to upend it. Okay, so I'm gonna have Doug give you access to our private forum, because this is how we use the forum all the time. And I'm always very careful to try and assess somebody over the podcast, because this is very nuanced and very tough. Especially for this. Yeah, exactly. And especially for someone like you who seems to know his stuff, right? So I'm not gonna just take a wild guess and say that something's weak or tight or something's wrong unless I could see you move. But what I would wanna see is I would love to see your feet in a really deep squat and see what happens. Now, what could also be causing this is something very similar because I have a very similar issue. And it comes from actually my left foot will actually pronate when I get really deep in the squat. And that pronation also internally rotates the femur, which makes it really tight. And when I'm loading the bar really heavy, I'll get some pain in that hip flexor on that side more than the other side. So I would actually wanna see your feet and see if there's any discrepancy from the left to right before I just assume that you have a weak hip flexor. So if you could do that, that would help me assess even better. But I agree with Sal. You could also test what he's saying. Yeah, that would be great. I'll send that right away. All right, perfect. Thanks, Damian. Thank you guys. Thank you for all you do. I'm a personal trainer and I say I got certified through eighth, but I actually learned stuff from Mind Pump. So thank you guys. Oh, awesome. Thanks, man. Yeah, it was such a weird way when I heard it from Marlon and then it made sense, right? He's like, I would have never, because I mean, let me ask you guys, how often have you, has an issue been solved because you strengthened someone's hip flexors, right? It's very rare. It's rare to even check that. And I think I'm trying to remember exactly what drill that was that really exposed that for me. And I think it was where Dr. Brink placed a book on my stomach and I held my knee in and then lifted my leg up and then tried to keep that from separating and just using that to really try and isometrically squeeze and hold was very difficult. So you had a book on your, explain that again? So you have a book that you're trying to smash into your stomach, your ribs, basically. And then now I'm like extending my leg out. Oh, wow. And then back in and trying not to separate the two. And you saw a difference between right and left? Yes, there's discrepancy. Oh, what a great assessment. I mean, I can feel that just by pushing on my thigh and then doing that, you can feel it. Yes, you sit down on your butt and then we'll have to do a video or something. Yeah, because if your hamstrings- Make that a video, write that down, Doug. That'd be a great video. Yeah, because if your hamstrings are tight and your hip flexors are trying to stabilize and so you're pulling against each other, I mean, believe it or not, it could be weak hip flexors. Not common, but if he's got like all these great mobility, he's doing all the- He passes all the marks otherwise. But he hasn't looked there. I'm like, well, look there and see what's going on. I would also though, always look feet first now. Of course. But that is something that I did not do as a trainer for a very long time. It wasn't until hanging out with Dr. Brink did he completely just blow my mind on how much of the stuff that we have going on all up here all is stemming from my feet. And that actually is it. So it's my left side and it's because my left foot pronates and I still battle with it. So I have to really be cautious of not allowing that to happen. Now, here's the difference with him is he says he has a posterior pelvic tilt. I know you have an anterior pelvic tilt. Yeah, do you think he really has a posterior pelvic tilt? Well, that's what he said. I guess what he said. And he's a trainer, so I have to trust this one. Again, I would need to watch a video. That's right, because a lot of times two people will get confused at you. You're right. It's because a posterior pelvic tilt is very- It's abnormal to me. It's very, very rare and it looks really weird. If you've never seen one, I mean, it's like, I mean, how often do you guys see it? Do you see it? Well, because- You're right. You're right. Nothing's better than seeing a video of him do the same. But because he's a trainer and the way he was talking, and if I took his word for it, posterior pelvic tilt, passes all the compass tests, pain in his hip flexor, I mean, could be the issue that I said. But again, there's no way of knowing until we watch it. It does kind of speak to a weakness there. It does a little bit, so we'll see. 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