 Welcome to the Mac Geekgab Show 915 for Monday, February 21st, 2022. And welcome to Mac Geekgab, the show where you send in your tips, your questions, your cool stuff found. We take your tips and questions and cool stuff found. We share them. The goal is, well, we try to answer your questions or at least get the conversation started about your questions. We share your tips. We share your cool stuff found because the goal is that each and every one of us, we all learn at least five new things every single time we get together. Sponsors for this episode include kanji.io slash mgglinton.com slash mgg where you can go and post your first job for free, new relic.com slash mgg where you go get 100 gigs of data free forever. No credit card required and true bill.com slash mgg where you can save thousands per year cancelling your on your forgotten about subscriptions. We'll talk in depth about each of those a little later in the episode here for now here in Durham, New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton. And here in balmy, Fairfield, Connecticut. This is John F. Brown. And here in also balmy, lead in Hampshire is pilot Pete. Thanks again for having me guys, but it's gonna be balmy for long. We're gonna lose 40 degrees today. I know. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that'll shift. Yeah, it's weird outside and and quite frankly, it's weird in my studio. I had band practice in here last night and with it being 50 degrees, two days in a row and band practice. It's not. It's interesting in here. I'll just put it that way. It's a little bit it's balmy is a is a nice word for the way it feels in this room. But you know, it's fine. We're professionals will rise over it. It's sultry. There you go. And also you guys don't have to be in the room here with me. So you know, that's even better. The miracles of modern technology, which we think started in 1673 on on this date when somebody was named the IT general of of of Amsterdam or something. I don't know. What I do know is that we have a ton of quick tips today. So we will start with the first one from listener Bob who sends in for ages. I've tried to find out how to type a degree symbol on iOS. I looked online. I looked on Apple support. All without success. I know how to make one on Mac OS. It's option zero. So I put one in a note, open notes on my iPad because they sync across iCloud copied it to the iPad clipboard and made an iPad keyboard shortcut out of it. Okay, that is like he's got a better way of getting there. But that's a great hack like a brute force kind of, you know, way to use it. You know, whatever he made his keyboard shortcut, maybe he made a comma degree or something, you know, and then it just changes it to that. So that's I like that. That's smart. I'll tell that when you get a chance. Okay, I'll finish his thing and then and then yeah, we'll come back around. Problem is that notes, messages and mail all at a space both in front of and after keyboard shortcuts. Ah, interesting. So instead of getting 98 degrees, I get 98 space degrees. Recently I accidentally discovered that if I switch the iPad keyboard to numbers and long press zero, I get the degrees symbol without any extra spaces. It would be so nice. He continues if Apple support had a graphic on the website that showed all the extra symbols available for both Mac OS and iOS keyboards and how to get them. I agree. But that's the key is no pun intended. Hold down zero and then you can choose the degree symbol. So yeah, craziness Pete. You had a follow up on that. Yeah, well I do. A dovetail to that is there are several keys in iOS that if you long press, you get multiple options in there. I happen to use that for my passwords because who's using those, right? Right. Make sure password just that much harder to guess. I would add the caution that I have found that there have been times when I've tried to set up a new iOS device. It wants my password from my old one and it isn't it isn't quite acting right yet. So I would change my password to set up a new iOS device, then go back to whatever password you're using. But as Dave, if you're watching the screen, Dave's demonstrating it there. You can get the umla at the city of the accent or other and a whole bunch of other accents. Yeah, Pete's here for the tips and the accents. I like it. It's good. I am a world traveler. My dog does not bite. That is not my dog. That's right. All right. Another way to see this stuff. So if you if you go to a system preferences input sources or no system preferences keyboard input sources, there's a show input menu and menu bar. And if you add that and then say show keyboard viewer, it'll show you the keyboard. But if you hold down some of the modifier keys, it'll show you the extra characters that you can get. So interesting. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Cool. I'm not fast enough to show that on the screen. And since we're mostly in audio show, I'm just going to keep keep rolling. But yeah, no, that's great. Yeah. It's totally right. You may have just said this, John, and I didn't get it. Who's gone? I'm back now. If you hold down the option key, this is in Mac OS, hold down the option key and then hit like the E. It'll come up with an accent and then you hit the E or any other key. It'll put that accent over that that character. Yeah. As long as there is a character in the set with that accent, like you can't put an accent over a queue, for example, on Mac OS. But yeah, you do option E and then say you, you can get an accented you on on Mac OS. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Greg has our next quick tip for today. He says, you might know this already. Well, that's the thing about quick tips is once you know him, you know him, but not not until you do. I says to recognize any song playing on the iPhone from any app, including while watching a movie in, for example, Prime Video or Netflix, let's say you hear a great song while watching a movie on your iPhone or iPad and wish you could quickly know what song it is without leaving the app. This works while using headphones even as the microphone is not required to recognize a song that the phone or iPad is actively playing. And how you do it is add Shazam to your control center. And then while watching the movie and the song is playing, swipe down control center and tap the Shazam icon. It will recognize the song fairly quickly. He says, I suggest to tap on the three dots in the top right of the screen to choose where to add it to Apple Music, for example, so you can go add it to your Apple Music Library. It says, if you choose to save it to my music, we'll add it to my music in the Shazam app. Otherwise, it doesn't automatically save it there. Yeah, that's pretty good. I didn't I never realized that you could do that with with with songs that the iPhone was playing and that it would would do it without using the microphone. That's pretty that's that's a good little quick tip, Greg. I did not know that. That's awesome. Yeah, I've often tried to do that like with Spotify and shut Spotify off so that I can listen. Oh, but I wonder, yeah, if you put it in the control center, I bet it'll. Yeah, that's the key. Exactly. That's their database is amazing. I was on some like Sinatra channel or something like that on XM the other day. And I was recognized a tune, but it was in French and I couldn't figure out what it was despite your accents. Yes, that's right. And but it turned out to be across the sea or sailing, whatever with Bobby Darren, except this is the original version in the 1930s. It pulled up the guy's picture and everything. I mean, in a half a second, what a database they have. It's crazy. Well, they use the music genome database, I think, and they may use others too. But I know that when they initially created Shazam, it was it was the music genome database and that was you. I know I've told the story on the show before, but it's been a little while. The way I saw the first public demonstration of Shazam. It was at WWDC and there were there was an event in person and it was never live streamed. It was never recorded, so they say. And it was called Stump the Stump the Geeks Stump the Geeks. Or did we call our thing Stump the Geeks? I think it was called Stump the Experts. Sorry. Yes, it was called Stump the Experts. And it was a very irreverent game show between the audience of several thousand people and the stage of about 30 people. Most of whom were either current or former Apple employees. And Mark Harman and Fred Huckstahl, Huckstahl, Fred Huckstahl were the hosts. They were, as I said, irreverent. It was late night and you could the audience could earn points in certain ways or the experts on stage could earn points in certain ways. And it always was rigged so that the experts would win. And that was, you know, that was fine. And then it was fun. And it was the last event of I think the second day, usually. The event preceding it was the Apple Design Awards. And then there was a 30 minute break in between the Design Awards and the Stump the Geeks Stump the Experts event. Stump the Geeks is us. Stump the Experts is them. And and if you knew that because you'd been there before to listen to the songs that were being played in that 30 minute break, you could and there was always obscure music, right? Intentionally obscure. You could if you recognized one, you could go up and earn the audience a point by saying, I would like to recognize the song. But this was not announced as part of the game. You just had to know from being there prior years. OK, great. So that again, fun, you know, inside baseball stuff. You know, I've made it a community. It was amazing. And so this one year, I'm sitting there watching, enjoying, having fun. And this one guy goes up and says, I'd like to recognize a song or I'd like to identify a song. And and Mark Harmon says, OK, which one? He says, well, all of them. And then he proceeds to read down a playlist of names and artists, most of whom I had never even heard of, right? And Harmon's on stage like, OK, you know, somebody's punking me. He's like, who gave you the playlist? How did you do it? And the guy says, no, no, no, I wrote an app. Now, this was the first of DC after the iOS SDK came out, right? So it was the you couldn't release apps yet, right? But you could be developing them. And this guy had written what we all now know as Shazam. And he sort of explained it briefly. And, you know, I mean, the room erupted in applause. And of course, he earned us, you know, however many points it would have earned us the audience. And I'm sure it didn't matter in the end. We lost anyway. But but that was like that was it. And it's just amazing that, like, look at how this is being used now and look at the one reason the guy wrote it like he did not, you know, he wrote it to win that moment of, of, you know, his his 15 seconds of fame turned out pretty good for him because Apple wound up buying the tech, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. So I know we're on we're off. That's the second one. That's the second one. And we're 1112 minutes in. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, John, you want to take us to our third quick tip of the day that aren't so quick today. Yes. Well, this one sounds quick. So Mark says, I think I've me inadvertently discovered a cool thing found. I had to babysit a download in Safari and often it would require refreshing the download to continue. But I did not want Safari to completely dominate my iPad screen. I wanted to do other things, too. In the download window in Safari, I tap the dot, dot, dot, dot. In the top center and selected the download to switch over to the right screen. Then I just ran another app to switch to Safari, stayed floating on the screen and I was able to babysit the download. Then if I wanted to switch back to Safari, I would tap the dot, dot, dot on the floating Safari window and selected the full screen version of it on the left. Wow, it's like a light went off in my head and I suddenly got it, or at least I think I got it. Cool. Yeah, yeah, I need to get better with iOS. iPad OS, sorry, multi-tasking. I know that's what it's called. I don't know that I'd like that term for it, but, you know, multi-multi apps up at the same time because the iPad and the iPhone are always multi-tasking. There are things happening in the background. It's our ability to have multiple things visible to us, right? But regardless of the language, it got a lot better in iPad OS 15 with the ability to with those three dots, right? Because now you don't have to know the magic incantations. You can tap the three dots and it will, you know, baby step you through that process, which which I really like. And obviously it needed to be there because we would always I would always forget. And it turns out I'm not alone, which is good, at least in this regard. So, yeah. Have you used multi-tasking on iPad OS much, John? No. OK. I've used it at times for, like, if I'm doing something but need to keep an eye on, like, a messages chat or something, I'll, you know, sweep that in or I guess I've used it when writing something, you know, creating notes and wanting to bounce back and forth between, like, whatever I'm crafting and Safari, for example, to look things up or, you know, find stuff. So but I don't do that often on my iPad. I usually grab my my MacBook Air if I'm if I'm going to be doing that sort of thing. Yeah, I did when I have my iPad Pro, you know, obviously that larger screen is more, yeah, more conducive to that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I'm an iPad mini person. So that probably explains it. Yeah, it's like I'm running on borrowed real estate as it is. Right. Yeah. When I left my office job, I sold my iPad Pro. It was a hard thing to let go of, too. What a great mission. I would I would have that as my soul computing device if it was just a little more versatile, yeah, and being able to download and convert. I can see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've got lots of quick tips. I'll share one more. Then we'll then we'll share a couple of our sponsors with you and then we'll share even more quick tips. Python 2.7 is going away with Mac OS 12.3. This is something that Apple deprecated years and years ago. Deprecated means we are telling you that it will go away at some point in the future, but we aren't taking it away yet. Everyone expected it to be Mac OS 13 coming out, you know, beta in June, presumably release in September. It is now happening in Mac OS 12.3, beta right now. Release imminently, perhaps. And this is going to break some things for sure. A lot of developers have relied upon having Python in Mac OS. There is a very good reason for Apple doing this, in my opinion, and clearly they agree. Many things for which people use Python are built with Python 3 in mind now. If you were taking a Python class, you would almost certainly want to be running Python 3. The transition from Python 2 to Python 3 was a mess for the Python team. And I don't think they're going to do it again. Like, I don't think there's going to be a transition from 3 to 4 or anything like that. But I could be wrong. What do I know? I'm just a guy with a microphone, a podcast, and I don't even have a website anymore. So, but 2.7 is different than 3. And 2.7 has been built into Mac OS, basically. I think since its inception or some version of Python 2 and now it's 2.7. And it can be very confusing because you go to the command line and you'll type, you know, Python main.py or something. And then it crashes and you're like, oh, right, I have my Python as Python 3 main.py or whatever. And so Apple decided, yeah, we're causing too many problems by essentially bifurcating this for we have Python 2.7 for everyone. And then, except for the people that actually use Python, they have to install their own and deal with us, you know, shoveling this legacy thing into their into their laps. We're not going to do that anymore. So that's why they're doing it. However, there are some apps out there that rely on Python, because it's a very powerful language and why wouldn't you? And of course, if you're going to release an app for Mac OS in the past, you if you could get away with using 2.7, you would. And that way you knew that it was there and you didn't have to bundle it with your app or anything like that. Developers will now have to bundle whatever flavor of Python might work for them with their apps, and they will have to do it real fast. So don't be surprised if there are things. I've already gotten emails from there's some this home automation software Indigo, I want to say Iridium. I don't know what the name of it is. Begins with an I think it's Indigo, let's call it Indigo. And they sent out a thing to their mailing list, like be careful. We don't we don't we aren't sure when Apple's going to release this. So we can't tell you that we're going to be ready with our update that patches this. We thought we had a whole lot more time kind of, you know, those types of things. So you may not know what apps these are. Hopefully developers will tell us. But they haven't Apple hasn't given developers a whole lot of heads up that like the end of life is is happening. Like that it this is a surprise to a lot of us. It's a good surprise in the long run. But and it's many years overdue, in my opinion. But still, you know, the very end was sudden, you know, it would be nice when they do the update to the OS systems, though, that you at least got to notice like these are the things that may break. So you could make that decision more informed whether you want to upgrade your OS or not. And they they do. I mean, it will be in the release notes that Python 2.7 has been removed. Because it's there in the beta release notes. So there's no reason to think it would be, you know, hidden. But the problem is you don't I don't know. You don't know what apps we rely on that use Python. That's the issue is this, you know, like, yeah, like, OK, great. Like, but I don't develop those apps. 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I'm at is now on Monterey and the upgrade, quite frankly, could not have gone any more smoothly. Like all I did was do the upgrade and it was like, yeah, everything just works. It's great. Like I didn't even. I remember when you did yours, your some of your audio devices got re enumerated or whatever, John, I didn't I mean, I checked because I knew that that had happened to you. That didn't even happen to me. Super smooth. I mean, he says podcasting actively and not knocking on wood yet, but I will. So, but I did notice that on this machine, X code would not upgrade and it wouldn't upgrade because it was saying that I had no free space. I was like, well, I mean, like, OK, why? And I looked and it was like that classic scenario of, OK, of the one terabyte drive that I have on this machine, I can see about 600 gigs used and then what's happening to the rest. So I decided to go and look at my snapshots on in carbon copycloner and sure enough, so on carbon copycloner, you go to volumes, you go to the slash there, the dash data volume of whatever, you know, whatever your boot volume is and and then go to snapshots, not related tasks. And here you can see all of the all of the snapshots that exist on your on your drive. You're not going to see them on the non data volume. I guess I guess there might be some there, but I don't think so. I don't think they have the the ability to to see those, but they do get to see them on the data volume and the the way that it there's an interesting thing because you'll see snapshots for. Time machine, but then you'll also see snapshots for things like that carbon copycloner has put out there or things that you have manually put out there, right? And it will start to it will when you pull the screen up, it takes a minute and then it will show you the size of each of these. You can go in and delete them from here, which is huge in carbon copycloner. But the interesting part was at the bottom of the screen where you get to control the expiration policies for carbon copycloner snapshots. And I noticed that my drive had 30 gigs free and it has always had 30 gigs free for months, like since Xcode wouldn't update. Now, I don't do any real development on this machine, so it didn't matter to me, but it was sort of a, you know, a thing that niggled at my brain. And sure enough, I looked and the free space requirement on carbon copycloner settings was 50 gigs or 30 gigs. I've now changed it to 50 because, you know, I wanted to have more, but you can you can set how it expires snapshots, including time machine snapshots. And then also what the minimum free space is that you would set for for it to, you know, erase until it gets you to that point. And that's why I was sitting at at 30 gigs, because that's evidently what it was set to by default. Once the sizes come up on your screen for all the snapshots, you can sort them by size and start to see, OK, what are the ones that are taking up, you know, all the space for me here? And I had some on this machine, John, that were like, you know, 12 gigs, you know, 15 gigs worth of snapshots. And so I was like, all right, well, let's get rid of those. And, you know, and now I think I've got, I don't know what it's telling me. I've got 140 gigs free, but it but carbon copycloner. I'll tell you, you know, for example, on this machine, I've got 220 gigs used just from snapshots. You can also see snapshots now in disk utility, but you don't have quite the same ability to manage them. So just for what it's worth. Pretty interesting, though, huh? Anybody am I alone here? Sure. Hello. Yeah. Cool. Great. That's awesome. I'm going to play with that later. Yeah, I know. I know. The problem was I put something on the screen. And so, you know, I'm wondering, talking about it, but I have two nerds with me that are looking at a screen being like, oh, what's this interface? I understand why you were silent, but yeah. All right. So that is that's that's how I would manage snapshots these days. And it's a good place to look, especially if you're having that issue where, you know, the volume is just unexplicably full. Would be the would be the trick there. So. But it worked as soon as I deleted the snapshots, the space was free. I was able to do Xcode and obviously Monterey installed just fine. But I figured it was a good time to go through and mess with that before before it was there. So yeah. Yeah, I'll have to give that a whirl because I noticed as of late, my MacBook Pro only has like 30 gigs free. You run you used to have like 10 times that. Yeah, so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 30 gigs is the default for carbon copy cloner. So it sounds like you have exactly the same scenario as me because time machine will will create one per hour. And and then carbon copy cloner starts expiring those out, you know, per there's there's rules for how long to keep hourlies, how long to keep dailies, how long to keep, you know, the larger ones, that sort of thing out in there in the carbon copy cloner window. So, you know, it's a good place to look. I like snapshots. I wish we could do more with them. I'm digging into this with with Mike Bombik. There is no. Way certainly not a way with carbon copy cloner to and I don't have all the details, so I don't want to go too deep here, but there is no way to say restore to a a snapshot in time like you can with every other OS, right? You can't go and say, OK, well, you took a snapshot on, you know, February 7th, just roll me back. The whole system roll me back. There's there's no way to do that with with carbon copy cloner. Recovery mode is a way to do that. It or, in fact, is the only way to do that. You go into restore time machine in there and you can do it there. But like carbon copy cloner can't do it. And the carbon copy cloner can't even make a clone of the system volume or a snapshot of the system volume. You can only make snapshots of the data volume. I think again, I got to get all the details. But there's there's there's oddly artificial limitations to Apple snapshot implementation. If you're used to the way snapshots work on other modern file systems and it's not a limitation of the file system, it's a security for lack of a better term limitation imposed by Apple limiting how you can use the feature of the file system. Because it'd be really nice to just be able to say, oh, hey, you know, I install Monterey disaster, I want to roll back. And I think I probably could with with recovery mode and and time machine there, you can choose a snapshot and roll back to it. But but it's not it's not where it is on other OS is that the utility of it is not quite the same. So we'll we'll keep digging into that with with Mike. Didn't they recently change it with? Was it after Catalina or Monterey where they change it? It basically broke. Carbon copy cloner and SuperDuper and they had to they were good about working it out. Oh, Dave, you just froze. I did. Well, not for me. So, yeah, yeah, they did it broke the way that you could make bootable clones of the of the OS. And I hear that that utility, which is like AP APD or so, I don't know. It's the utility that Apple provides that SuperDuper and Carbon copy cloner can leverage to do those those those clones. It breaks or has changed. That's another one of those things that changes in 12.3. So there may well be, you know, again. Yeah, at this point, maybe maybe the sort of meta message here is at this point, I am not in a rush to upgrade to 12.3 when it comes out. Normally, a new, you know, a point release of of Mac OS comes out. I put it on right away. I am not currently of the mind where I would do that. And certainly I'm I'm traveling, hopefully traveling to Mexico next week for a couple of concerts. And I definitely would not upgrade my laptop if it happens to come out on Tuesday, let's say. Definitely not going to do that on Tuesday before flying on Wednesday, because I need to be able to do some work, unfortunately, actually, it's not unfortunate. I lead a charmed life and I make all my own choices. So it is not unfortunate. I am I am hugely fortunate that I get to go to Mexico. And one of the ways I get to do that is by being able to stay on top of things. So it's good. Technology is grand. All right. Brad has a quick tip for us speaking of nuking and paving. Are we speaking of nuking and paving? I don't know. Brad says I have a quick tip that y'all and the listeners might find useful. As you know, M1 Macs have changed the recovery environment significantly gone. Are the hotkeys at startups such as command option are command option shift are and the recovery environment is accessed instead by pressing and holding the power button at startup and selecting options or double pressing and holding the power button for fallback recovery. I didn't know that one. See, this is that right. So there's a quick tip. All documentation that I've seen thus far has stated that there is no more internet recovery for M1 Macs. Also stated has been that to reinstall Mac OS with a version other than what is on the local environment. You can obtain the IPSW file and boot into DFU mode. Sound like an iPhone? Well, yep. Connect to another Mac with a Thunderbolt cable and restore the IPSW with Apple Configurator. All of this is indeed true. And you can no longer boot into a separate internet recovery environment like you could with Intel Macs. However, if you boot an M1 into recovery, wipe the disk with disk utility, connect to the internet with Wi-Fi and reinstall Mac OS, you will get the current version of the OS downloaded over the internet, not the version that you previously had. For example, I did this very thing yesterday and on a machine that had 12.1 with the procedure just described, I got 12.2.1. This is likely due to a transition from the recovery environment going from a partition to a volume though this thought this might interest you and everyone else. Yeah, that's brilliant. I had no idea that you could sort of shortcut internet recovery on an M1 Mac. That's fascinating that it like, if it's doable, why don't they just put it up front and center? You know, that's one of those that I need to put a big star by that for myself because it makes perfect sense. And it's a pretty logical pack. You go in, you wipe it with disk utility, you connect to Wi-Fi, reinstall, where's it gonna get it from, right? So you're good to go. But it's nice knowing that it has worked for at least one other person because wiping a disk on an M1 Mac, wiping the boot disk on an M1 Mac is something that still sort of scares me right now. Just a little terrifying. It's just mildly terrifying. Yeah, just a little terrifying. It says the pilot in his calmest voice. Yeah. Well, that's what aviation is. Mildly terrifying. 99% boredom, 1% sheer terror. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I guess all your training is to, well... That's your 1%, you hope. Well, and also to keep it 1%, right? So, yeah. Yeah. Any thoughts on that, John? Or are we moving on to Donna? No thoughts at the present. Okay. Yeah, that's right. We're gonna get you on the M1. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Donna, back to more shortcuts on the iOS keyboard. She says, this might have been mentioned on the show before, but it was new to me, so it's gotta be new to somebody else. Absolutely, that's what these are all about. Another hidden Apple feature that I didn't know about, she says, when using Safari on iOS, if you wanna enter the full name of a website, you can hold down the period and the options of things like .com.us.net.edu come up, so you can skip from having to type .com.us, so you just type whatever, you know, macgeekab, hold down the period and then choose .com and boom, Bob's your uncle. I think that's the first time I've ever said Bob's your uncle on this show, 17 years. You know what you don't get? What don't you get? .org. Yeah, you do. You get .org. It's right there and done a screenshot even, but a blot. Well, I've tried it before, I thought, now I'm gonna have to look at it. Yeah, now you're making me think I need to check it out. I don't know. All right, hang on, let me pull out my phone here, Pete, because this is an interesting thing. I must have the wrong keyboard. Now I've got the wrong keyboard up or something, because it comes in. That's gonna be interesting, isn't it? Oh, that's why he was trying to search. Yeah, it's there, it's there. So, I mean, it's, you know, so if I type in Mac, Geek, Gab, and then I hold down the period key, there's com net edu, Oregon, U.S. Wow, okay, because I'm having a hard time here with me. Interesting. Don't worry about it, everybody. That's right. All I'm getting is the period in the ellipsis, so I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Are you in Safari? I am. Oh, in the URL bar? Yes, down at the bottom. Oh yeah, well, if that's where you choose to have yours, which is where I choose to have mine. Yeah, that's right. Oh, Brian Monroe thinks if you're using a third-party keyboard, you might not have that. Well, I have a third-party keyboard, but I'm trying to use the English one, so the one that is default. Yeah, I'm on English U.S. Oh, well. Yeah, I believe you. Oh, I found it, I found it. Okay, yeah. Wait, wait, tell us. That org is now there. .org was not there before. Okay, what did you do to get it to not just show you the ellipsis? Oddly enough, I'll hold it up here for see the, let me get it in front of the camera. Most people are going to see it, so just describe it. Yeah, those that can't see it, I'm looking at my iOS keyboard. The period is to the right of the space bar. Before it was to the left, and when it was over to the left, and I don't know, I think that was like a Bing search or a Google search or something like that. Although I thought it was in the URL, it was not in the URL, it was in a search window. So I swiped the bottom over until I got to, I was sure I was looking at a URL. A fresh tab, yeah, I gotcha. But I remember many, many times, years ago, feeling kind of left out because I have a .org domain, and I always had to tell you. Right. Interesting. I think relatively new. All right, sorry, another rat hole. No, this is what we do on this show. This is fantastic, I love it. No, it's great, it's great, it's great. It's, it is good. I found two. One is that I pin tabs in Safari. I have about five or six tabs pinned, meaning they are, they live on the left of my Safari URL bar on all of my Macs, it's great. And the rightmost one remains the same, the leftmost one remains the same. In fact, they all remain the same, except two of them are dynamic in that they are the current episode of Mac Geekab, the prepped, you know, the agenda in progress, and the next episode of Mac Geekab. Of course, after we record this, it becomes current and past for a few days until I roll it all around. And it's a new document, we use Google Docs to do this. Currently, we could use anything, but that we use Google Docs. And so it means that I have to constantly drag the new one in, like this morning I created 916 and I needed to pull that in as I pulled 914 out. And what I usually do is I go up, I right click on the tab for 916 and I say pin this tab and then it puts it as the rightmost tab but I don't want it to be the rightmost tab. So I drag it one to the left and then everything's fine. And today, instead of doing that two step process, I attempted a one step process. I just grabbed the tab and moved it into the realm of pinned tabs and it pinned it and it put it right where I want. So the pinning happened automatically by dragging the tab into the mix of other pinned tabs. So I didn't need to tell it to pin it. It inferred that correctly by me putting it over there, which was great. So it saves me a step. It's one step a week guys, 52 steps a year. Right. But a price of a cup of coffee, you can save a life. Wait, no, I'm not Sally Struthers. Yeah, that's what I got. You guys got anything else on that one? Just another quick tip, speaking of pinning. Evidently, this is the quick tips episode folks. Great. Sorry. Which is in messages. Again, many people already know it. You can pin contacts in messages. So I never have to go hunting for when did my wife send me that message, that address, whatever I needed. You just pin it. So her messages are always at the very top. Yep. You hear that, honey? I keep yours on top. Yeah, I have, I think you can have nine pinned in messages. And that pinning syncs amongst all your iOS 15 and Monterey devices. Oh no, I might even do it. Oh no, I don't think it goes, the pinning doesn't because I only on my iOS have my wife's pinned and I have like six or seven pinned and messages on my laptop. You might have a syncing problem because... Well, my watch thinks so. Yeah, there are many symptoms to this issue that you have. This is number two. Yeah, because on mine, the pinning, it syncs to all. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. And if I change it, because I've got, I have six of them pinned. I've got, we've got a family group chat. It doesn't matter, but I've got six of them pinned. And they sync around. But I've seen people with nine of them pinned. They are in rows, columns, rows, rows of three. And so, or columns of three. Interesting, yeah. Because on macOS, I have seven pinned and my phone only has one. Yeah, interesting. Uh-oh, rot roll. Brian8944 in our live chat at live.macgeekub.com notes that you can pin groups too. So yes, that's absolutely right. If anything in messages can be pinned, it does not have to be just a one-to-one message. It can be a group message that's pinned. It's super helpful, you know, we... Like I said, we have, actually, we have a couple of family groups and then I have each of the three members of my family pinned up there. So, yeah. And if you wanna join us, visit macgeekub.com slash calendar and you can subscribe to that calendar and then you'll know when we're recording and you can join us in the chat room. If you don't want to or can't join us in the chat room, of course, feedback at macgeekub.com is where you can send in all of your questions, your tips, your cool stuff found and we will do everything we can to help you with that stuff because clearly that's what we do. Did I hear you right, Dave? Did you say feedback at macgeekub.com? I think he said feedback at macgeekub.com. Let me adjust my earpiece. There you go. All right, I think we have one more quick tip left but I could be wrong about this. We're going to do at least one more. We'll talk about a couple more sponsors and then we either are gonna get to your questions or we're gonna get to more quick tips. I don't know. The next quick tip that I have here is I have no great surprise to anyone. I have different microphones on all of my computers. Well, my fixed computers, the desktop machines. And every time that I go to do a FaceTime audio or a FaceTime video call, any kind of FaceTime call with audio on my Mac, it doesn't even show me my USB microphone that I have plugged in. It shows me the internal mic in the Mac and maybe the one in like my LG display or something but it does not show me that microphone and nor does the person on the other end hear me through my preferred microphone. They hear me through one of the, you know, ones that happens to show up in the list. One of the items in the list though is use system settings and my preferred microphone is in, is set that way in system settings. The way to get FaceTime to do this and this is, this happens every time is I go into system settings, I change the microphone away from the input device away from whatever mic I am on, AKA the one I want to use and then I change it back to the one I want to use and then boom, FaceTime audio is happy. I don't know why this happened. It's bizarre to me but that's how it is. 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It's it must be the the weird change in in humidity out there. Yeah, yeah, so. There he is. All right, there we go. But feeling better. All right, take it away, man. All right. All right, so he has some network drives on his Synology. And he noticed that on the last show he taught we talked about create a start today macro to launch our all the apps. I thought maybe I could get help to do something similar with a shortcut. He has them set up in his login. So if you put if you put a network drive in login items in system preferences, I think it's user and groups. Yeah, user and groups and then login items. If you didn't know this, now you do is you can put network drives there and it should mount them. And then that's good. Here's the problem, though, the concerns me. Sometimes they disappear overnight. And to get them back, I have to go to the go in the finder, then connect to server, then choose each drive to get the show up. It not only brings up the drive icon, but also the drive window. I would like to only bring up the icon. Then I have to do it all again to bring up the next drive. I would like to have all four show up with one key combo. I have not done anything with shortcuts, but did 10 years ago, made an automated script for something I don't remember as with my Latin from seminary. If you don't use it, you'll lose it. So could you help me conjugate a verb or two? I mean, I know how to make a shortcut to mount the drives from my Synology with a key combo. This Dave was an opportunity for me to play with shortcuts, which I really haven't. Well, all right, there you go. Sure. My first concern is the drives falling off the network. I don't know why that happens. Probably when his machine goes to sleep. This is a pretty common problem to solve. I've had to crack this nut a few different times, a few different ways over the years. But yeah, network drives will go away and not necessarily come back when you wake from sleep. Yeah, I mean, usually if I have a network drive mounted and yeah, I put the machine to sleep and then I wake it up, it'll temporarily put up a little dialogue saving server connection interrupted, I think. Sure. And eventually it reestablishes it. And annoyingly, that window doesn't seem to go away on its own. You actually got to click on it, which to me is terrible. Eight million grand, yeah. Yeah. But what he's doing makes sense. So yeah, system preferences, users and group login items is I think the right way to do it. But hey, let's create a shortcut to do it. So I decided to give it a try. I never really dove into it before, Dave. And it's kind of an unfamiliar interface. But if you start up the Shortcuts app, go to File, New Shortcut, you then, that'll let you create a new one. And then here's the fun part. Well, what action do you choose? And well, there's a search field and if you type in the word server, you should get a match to an action called connect to servers. And it's as simple as that. And you type it in and then they prompt you for this, but you got to type it in kind of a weird way, like SMB colon slash slash and then the IP address and then maybe a share number. And then the shortcut connects, then I verified this. I also like Automator though. So create a new whatever, like an app or a workflow or something like that. And then their interface is a little nicer in that you see library files and folders. And then there are a couple of actions there, like ask for servers and connect to servers. And the other thing is, you know the keystrokes. So I'm not yet a keyboard maestro user, but I'm wondering if you could make a keyboard maestro macro or script that could also mount all your drives. So the answer to all of these is yes. The shortcuts thing is interesting. I had not ever used it to do this because I'd solved this problem on my Mac before I had the access to shortcuts, but it certainly seems like it would work and you're right. You search for server and then you can do connect to servers and drag that in and order it however you want and it theoretically will work. I haven't tried it cause I don't wanna mess with disconnecting a network drive only to have to reconnect it. But one thing that came up in the pre-show that I wanted to make sure we didn't miss was that you said, well, I created this thing, but I don't like, I have to launch the shortcuts app to trigger it. I can't put it on the desktop and that is true. You can make a Siri trigger for it. You can make other automation style triggers. But what we did find in pre-show to put on the list, you know, to turn this into a quick tip, not so quickly is that if you go while you're editing a shortcut on the Mac or iOS, you know, your shortcuts are synced between them, and you can actually make this control from an iPhone, even though it's gonna affect your Mac, go up to the details, which on the Mac is a little button in the upper right, and you can choose to pin in menu bar for this shortcut. And then a shortcuts menu appears in the menu bar and you can choose it from there and it'll be, you know, whatever you've, whatever you've named your shortcut and you're good to go. So, like, that part works. You asked if this was doable with Keyboard Maestro and it is, and this is how I've solved this problem over the years. Keyboard Maestro is a great way to do this because it, I don't know, it just, it has access to so many more things. So I have a mount network shares. It's to mount shares on my disk station. It's pretty much exactly what Father John is looking to do. And I've got it up on my screen here. I'm happy to share this with anybody that emails in at feedback at mackeygab.com. But since most of you aren't watching, the idea is I've created a macro in Keyboard Maestro and with Keyboard Maestro you set triggers and you set actions. And so for me, the trigger is, there are multiple triggers. One of them is if, and I put in my network share, I have shares called DS movies and DS audio and things like that. So I said, look, if the DS movie share is unmounted, I want this macro to run, which would keep it mounted even if something, you know, decides to unmount it. I also have a trigger to run at login. And lastly, I have a trigger to run at system wake. So that has solved my problems over the years. This is finally the thing. And then the actions are very similar to what you do in shortcuts, although a little bit more complex is to mount the server. And one of the things I make sure is that I only try to mount a drive if it's not already mounted. So I have an if statement in my Keyboard Maestro macro that says, hey, all the following things have to be true. And one of them is that the drive is not mounted. And then the other is that my IP address is on my local network because my Keyboard Maestro macros are synced to all my Macs. I don't want my laptop going nuts when I'm traveling, trying to mount a network drive that is not local to it and failing and then telling me that it's failed. And that's a wonderful thing. So I've, you know, I've got some, some conditionals in here, but if all the conditions are met, then it's a very simple just execute, you know, mount the drives and you're good to go. So yeah, Keyboard Maestro is, that's how I do it, but shortcuts would work. It's a manual thing. I don't know that there's a way to trigger a shortcut based on whether a drive is mounted or not, but I haven't dug into that. So maybe there is, I don't know. There certainly could be, but it's fun. Yeah, so yeah, that's where we're at. And as of late, I don't know if there's something wrong with one of my, if it's a bug in the OS or something, but as of late, I've been getting errors saying, you didn't eject your time machine destination properly. So don't do that again. And it's like, I didn't eject it. Interesting. But your time machine is a network drive, right? Yes. So it had some, I mean, this is the problem with network time machine stuff, right? Is that network drives can fall off for known and unpredictable and unpredictable reasons. Whether or not they are known is sort of immaterial. So yeah, interesting, interesting. All right, yeah. Pete, you got anything to say about any of that? No, I do not. Okay, all right, okay. We will go to Simon then here. Thank you, Father John, good question. Simon has a weird issue with his iCloud documents. He says, I've got two Macs, two desktop Macs, both are running Monterey 12.2 and are logged into the same Apple ID. Okay, good. The syncing of my desktop documents folders is not working between the two Macs. I know that they are both syncing to the cloud as when I look on my iPhone in files into iCloud Drive, I have folders called desktop and desktop two. The second one contains the desktop from the second desktop machine. He says, any idea is how I can get them to sync the same folders and be the same on both machines. So what you want is how it's supposed to work. So that's good news. I did some searching about this, John and Pete. I found some people reporting this desktop two folder having appeared. There weren't really any, here's how I solved it, follow-ups to these posts. So I can only go with what my gut says in that, what would I do if I were there next kind of thing? And so the first thing I would do is I'd make backups of both of these because you don't wanna lose your data. And then I would, I think actually the next thing I would do is detach the one called documents two, whatever Mac that is, figure out which one that is, look in the, use your iPhone to look in the iCloud folders and figure that out. Detach that one from iCloud Drive, right? Uncheck the documents and folders. It may offer to put them in an archived folder for you. If it does, great, let it, just let it do whatever you want. Then I would go into iCloud Drive and I'd probably delete that documents two folder from the iCloud Drive, just so it doesn't try to reattach to it in the future. But you could rename it, but I would do something to it. And then I would just go back in and re-enable documents and, or desktop and documents syncing and see what happens. It should offer to merge them together for you because the contents will be different. And in theory, that's what you want, but like I said, make those backups first. You might have to detach both from the, from iCloud Drive and then try it again. You might have to log out of iCloud and log back into iCloud. iCloud syncing in general is hard. It's just how life is, especially with conflict resolution. Sinking is super easy. Conflict resolution is hard, right? I mean, you've probably done some of this stuff, John, right? I mean, it's conflict resolution. That's where you earn your money, I think. I don't know, John, do you have any thoughts on other ways to attack this? No, never had it happen. Yeah, yeah, it's one of those, it's a weird thing, but you know, I mean, I haven't had it happen either. I've had plenty of syncing things happen over the years, and so that's kind of how I would, that's how I would approach it anyway, so. Yes, I am apparently having now some syncing. Yes, Pete, yeah, Pete, you're having problems you didn't know you had, that's right. Right, now I'm writing down three symptoms, so. Oh, what's your, what's the third symptom if you would care to share? Well, it was that, the whole Apple Pay thing is that my wallet is not syncing on the, it's on my laptop, you asked me, but pre-show I think it was about the Apple Pay card, and I went to look at it and I said, well, okay, it's not there, but I've obviously never set it up. And I clicked, I'll tell you exactly what it says. I clicked on the system preferences, then wallet and Apple Pay, and it's like, oh, okay, add a credit card, so I do, I go to do that, and it comes up and says, another user is already using Apple Pay on this Mac. My personal laptop, I think I'm the only one that's ever used it, so. As far as you know. Yeah, there's no other users on this Mac. In fact, I don't even think, normally I set up a troubleshooting account, and I haven't even done that on this particular one, because I was bad, not following good practices. Yeah, and then it's not syncing the pins, and then the other one is like the Apple, the wallet is not syncing boarding passes to my watch. Usually, when I go to get on an airplane, my watch is always going, hey, you know, you're getting on an airplane, you're supporting pass. Not there, so. But I started to look, okay, well, what do I do for the Apple Pay? Yeah. And it says, well, you can set it up, go in and reset it. Oh, and why not what's there? Well, I'm not gonna do that during the show. Yeah, no, yeah, don't do that. That helps after the show, but I have a feeling there's some syncing issues going on. Yeah, you might need to just log out of iCloud, reboot, log back in, and maybe, maybe, that'll get it back around. Yeah. Interesting. All right, you wanna take us to Jeremy? Keep us posted, please, Pete. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, John, you wanna keep us posted on what's going on with Jeremy? Another problem with drives. Yeah. They're just piling up right and left. Jeremy says, every evening, when I try to eject my external drive from my MacBook Pro, 13 inch 2020, running Monterey 12.1, I get this. And when he gets his dialogue that says, the disc music and photos wasn't ejected because one more programs may be using it. And the options you get are try again, cancel and force eject. So music and photos is an external drive with, guess what? My music and photos on it, but there is no app running that is using Apple's photos and or music apps. I've checked activity monitoring and could see nothing obvious. The apps that are running are numbers, mail, things, black, sorry, slack, air mail, busy cal, and bear. It's a note taking app, bear is. Oh, okay. Yep. Never heard of it. All right. You know, I've gotten this dialogue every now and then and while, okay, looking at activity monitor makes sense to see if there's an app running. There may not be anything obvious. What I think is happening, Dave, is that there's some background process that's fiddling with the data on the drive and that's why it doesn't eject. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you could poke around an activity monitor and look for any process that ends with a D. Those are typically background processes through daemons or daemons, whatever you want to call it. Yeah. You could run LSOF from the terminal. It may be able to show you what process is talking to the drive. The output is a bit to slog through, but maybe with a grep filter like the name of the drive, you may be able to find what, in fact, is holding on to that drive. Yeah, for sure. And LSOF and grepping for the name of the drive would absolutely be the A way to go. I do the same kind of thing. I have my photos and my music on a drive. I don't call it music and photos, but otherwise, almost exactly the same thing. And I am almost certain that it is iCloud that is causing this and iCloud Photo Library doing this. Yeah, if you search activity monitor for photo, not photos, you will see Cloud Photo D, Photo Library D, and Photo Analysis D, among others. And those three are the ones that are going to, if you dig into them and look at the open files and ports, you will almost certainly see it pointing to things on your external drive. And so if these things, you can shut down or you can force quit these processes, but they'll come right back because that's how iCloud is built to work. It's built to be running all the time. So you really can't eject a drive that has your photos and music on it without logging out and logging back in as a different user that isn't attached to those drives for iCloud Photos. That would really- Will it prevent the logout though? No. Oh, okay. No, no. I mean, because it'll shut things, when you log out, it shuts down processes, right? And so that's- Because there's been the occasion I've had that go, hey, you can't, it won't shut down, but processes prevented you from shutting down. So that's what my question essentially was. Yeah, I got it. No, it shouldn't. I mean, he might have a different problem that causes that, but yeah, this alone, no, no. But yeah, my guess is that's what it is. I mean, you've got the fourth option. Yank the cable. Well, you shouldn't do that. Do not try that. Yeah, I would force eject before I yank the cable. Yeah, so my one question is, why are you ejecting that drive? I mean, do you need to? Right. And the other is force eject. I don't know if I, in theory, that could mess things up. My experience is that when I do a force eject, it has not, as far as I know, damaged anything. So that's what I got. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. I thought force eject was to tell the drive, hey, stop reading and writing and shut down in your current state. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but I think they warn you if you click on it, it's like, you know, hey, watch out, man. It's, you know, this could really mess things up. This could mess things up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it will, I mean, if all it is is cloud photos, D, it won't mess things up. And I can say that because I've done this many times where I had an issue where I forget, I know I solved it. And I know we talked about it on the show, but I don't remember what I did to solve it. But anyway, I had a drive down on my office, Mac that was just falling off all the time. And it was some, you know, connection ordered thing or something, I don't know. And it's the one that has these on it. And all I would get was a little error that says, you know, you shouldn't disconnect your photo library, but it never caused irreparable harm. There were times where I would launch the music app and it would say, you know, re-indexing your library for five seconds or something like that. Because it, you know, had cratered in the midst of whatever it was doing, but it never caused me irreparable harm. Doesn't mean that it won't, but I probably had it happen 50 times on that machine. Well, I mean, cause it was a chronic issue. And so I had to solve it and it is solved now. It's, yeah, like I said, I forget what I did, but I don't know, I did something. Power, I don't know. What I do know is that our fun times have come to an end. It's been a pleasure, gentlemen. It's been fun. It's been fun with everyone. You folks in the chat room have been very active today in helping us. In fact, so much more active, so active that I have missed a lot of the comments, which is that, you know, we're doing a show. So I mean, I get that a lot of it is you all chatting amongst yourselves, but the real-time feedback is fantastic. So thank you for everybody who has been doing it. It's been fun. It's been real, but I don't know if it's been real fun. Now it has been real fun. Yeah, I think it's been real fun. I think it's been so much fun. We should do it again. What do you think? We'll do 916? Sure, yeah, we'll do it in a week, whatever. Sure, something big fun. Big fun. That was a band, wasn't it? Wasn't that the band in a movie? Was that the band in the movie, Heather's? Mm-hmm. Am I right about that? Wow, you're good. Wow. Okay, yeah. It's amazing how that filing system in the head sometimes pulls stuff up, but then there's stuff you want to remember. No chance. No chance. You want to know the name of the band in Heather's? I got you covered. There it is. Yep, served it right up on a platter for me. Yeah, a good movie, very subversive, I would say. Yeah, and the theatrical adaptation is also fantastic. Oh, yeah, I've never seen it. I've seen it only on a fairly small stage. I have not seen it like in a big, you know, huge theater. But I mean, it small stages can be great. Like shows can be better there because you get, you know, that intimacy and yeah, it was fantastic. What is your damage? All right, well, I think that's been the theme of the episode. Well, that are quick tips. So figuring it all out. All right, thanks for hanging out with us, folks. Thanks for sending in all your stuff to feedback at macgeekab.com. Go check out macgeekab.com slash merch to get your MGT shirts, which John modeled for us throughout this episode. So watch the video on YouTube or just at macgeekab.com if you want to if you want to see John doing his modeling for us. It's got Don't Kick Caught on the Front and the macgeekab logo on the back. So macgeekab.com slash merch. And yeah, we'll see you. We'll see you next time. Make sure to check out our sponsors. Macgeekab.com slash sponsors is where you can go and see all of the active deals. New relic.com slash MGT, as we mentioned. LinkedIn.com slash MGT. TrueBuild.com slash MGT and kanji.io slash MGT. 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