 Thank you so much for keeping us company. This is why in the morning we are moving to the political space where we want to see how things are, how things will be, and of course we are talking about the jubilee asili formation. This has come in the wake of the rangos that have risen in the jubilee house. Of course we will also be looking at the kinder formation of the coalition. The people who have been coming to the jubilee house we have seen the waipa democratic movement has come and then when the lot chap chap is in the house. So those are some of the things that are happening. I'm speaking to political analyst Silas Eritza who will try to demystify some of the issues that are happening. And of course we will mention what is happening or will be happening later in the day the KICC during the jubilee parliamently group meeting where most of the people are light to the debate. The deputy president William Ruto I think they will not attend because they feel they can't attend a meeting that will be slotting in their friends. So those are some of the things that are happening and we have a question for you. What informs your decision when you are voting? You voted in 2017, you voted in 2013, you will be voting again come 2022. What informs your decision? Let's hear your comments or your answer to that question on all our social media platforms Y254 channel on Facebook and Instagram. And Twitter is at Y254 channel. My handle is at Moureni Hilawe for now. Welcome and let's know what is happening. My name is Dereva Hilawe. Good morning and welcome to the broadcast. How are you Silas? I'm fine and you? I'm very well just at some point patabd with what is happening politically and then we have coronavirus. On the other hand we are struggling, for real we are struggling as a nation and the world is struggling. And some of the people are doing well. We speak what we are struggling as a nation. Of course they are also struggling getting that food for you. We have farmers who are crying. Other things are here but as a society we are dealing with a lot of problems. But let's move to politics and we begin with the formation of the Jbilia Sili. I think to be interpreted this is the original Jbilia which was meant to be other than what is here. What do you make of the recent events? First of all I'll say that people are struggling, people are trying to have something to eat, to have money in their pockets. Simply because of the wrong decisions that we make during elections. Simply because we don't make the right choices. Simply because we go to elections with emotions. I have a graduate so and so, I have a graduate this and this tribe. So those emotions drive us to vote. But when ideology will come and start driving us to votes, we shall be voting in the right manner. We shall be voting in incredible leaders, we shall be voting in leaders who have integrity and we shall uphold our constitution. No matter how many times we will change our constitution and whatever we have we don't uphold on it. No matter how many times we change it, we shall never have good leaders. A constitution does not provide good leaders. Good leaders is all about integrity. The one you have and your personality, how you are able to manage things when you are given on your own. How you are able to manage things to other people. So this is what entails on leadership and good governance. Then on the formation of jubiliasili or the talk of jubiliasili. You cannot say it is registered because when you go to the political parties and confirm if it is registered it is not registered. So this is just a group of individuals who have felt that we have been sidelined. Our opinion does not count where we are. Should you call them defectors or rebels? Whatever name you can choose to call but to me I can just say these are the people who feel the opinion does not count. And they need to raise their issues. Where do they need to raise their issues? Marku they are in government in one way or the other. So how can we raise issues? As much as we are working together and there is that cold relation or there is that cold war. There is a way the top people will communicate and we can use that channel so that we can communicate. Yes there is a team that you cannot work with but there is one person in that team you can work and relate to in one way or the other. So that to see one thing or the other thing is being managed or it's being successful. So this is just a tactic. Or in another way you can also put it in the layman's language. You say you think that jibili is the only house I can be. Yes I can have an alternative. I can go the other way. I can come up with jibili asili because one jibili asili has those yellow and black colors. And we not red colors who they are shaded with. They found the yellow and blue colors. So these are some of the things that we need to sit down and interrogate ourselves. So that we get good responses. So let us see how things are unfolding. As we are waiting for the jibili parliamentary group meeting that is going to happen today at KICC. A lot is going to unfold. You have mentioned that these members who have gone to form the jibili asili as it is spoken about right now. We have talks of the jibili asili of which you've mentioned it is not existing in the political parties database. So these are the people who formed the party initially. These are the people who belong to the party. How do we find ourselves here that we cannot be heard? Thank you. Let us go to since the multi-party democracy. The founders of the parties are the same people who ran away from the original parties to go and form other parties so that they can feel that their voice is heard or that is their comfort zone. Because one, even let us look at the FOD Kenya. How it was formed. It was formed with Jerema Gingo, Ginga, Gito Bimanyara and others. But later we heard FOD asili, we heard FOD people. So many parties came along. Because one, and I said it here sometimes back, the people who come out loudly speaking about democracy are not the re-democracy champions. Democracy is just a hidden agenda. They run with a hidden topic. But in deep their hearts there is no democracy. They don't exercise democracy. Look at where they belong. Look at where they stay. Is democracy practice there? No, because people preach water, then they drink wine or they preach wine and drink water. So there is no relationship between democracy and the person who is championing for democracy. Because when you are championing for democracy, then you should exercise democracy from where you are. Because you cannot point a finger that this person is a wrong person and yet you yourself have so many evils around yourself. So when you talk of democracy, what ideology are you putting on the table? And that's why we say the political parties need to be an institution. When a political party is an institution, then things to do with democracy shall be accountability. It will not only be a talk where somebody will rise up and say, there's no democracy, there's no democracy. What kind of democracy do you need? And yet you don't practice the same democracy. What kind of gender balance do you need? And yet you don't practice gender parity in your own institution, which is a political party. So these are some of the things that we need to interrogate ourselves. We as Kenyans, we as leaders and we as the stakeholders of this nation. So these are some of the things that really need to come out in our institutions. And I've always said these parties, they end up forming government. And when they form government, they need to show us their credibility before they become a government. Because we only know one person in a political party, the rest are just but others. Because like a political party, let me say like Jubilee, we know of Guru, then we know of Bruto, the rest are others. Like Kano, we know of Gideon and Salat, the rest are others. It goes the same way to other parties also. So these we want to know who so and so holds a certain position in a political party and this is what he's doing. Because these parties give us government, these parties give us a position. So these are some of the things that we need to know. And we need to find out and we need to work out. And that's why I always say the political parties act should be up to their task. You have mentioned of ideologies and I remember this one of the things that has been commented by the Machakos Governor Alfred Mutua yesterday. He said Kenyans should be worried and he want Kenyans to have these formations in terms of a tribal thing and he also mentioned about ideologies. And for a long time we have been mentioning about ideologies. But then when we have these parties they come up with manifestos. That's a good idea. Where do people go wrong to implementing the manifestos they come up with? You see, I'll come up with a manifesto to lure you. I'll sit down and say this person, this is what he wants. So I'll come up with a manifesto that will suit you and will suit me and will suit any other person that feels this is the right manifesto. But inside me that thing is not there. I just want to use things as an avenue. I just want to have followers around me. And that's why any diligent person will not agree to things to do with the old Jubilee CCM or YPG, what's coming together. Because one, when you're coming together it shows you lack ideology. When coming together then democracy does not mean anything to you because that's not democracy in one or the other. Democracy means fight from where you are. Fight for the space you want from wherever you are. Don't run to seek solans or don't run just because the other side favors you and run there and no, stand from where you are, exercise democracy from where you are. These are some of the things that we will go for and when we champion for them then we will have the right leaders in place because whatever is happening right now is the same thing that happened in 2002. It's the same thing that happened in 2012. And ask yourself why this period is not in 2007, not in 2017, not in 1997. When people come together without ideology, these are people who lack vision and the people we have right now, they are people without a vision and they cannot take our country anywhere. We are suffering as a country because the leaders we have are not true leaders, they are not servants. They are there just to ensure their interest is well managed, their interest is well achieved. And this is what we are suffering as a country because when we have leaders in place then we shall see developments. Number one, when we have leaders in place the economy will rise as much as we are number six in Africa, economy-wise but we need to be even number one. Where can this type be number one? Then even number six in the world. These are some of the things that we need to sit down and interrogate. Not just coming out together in the same of all today, I want to be in Jubilee, just be, no, no. We are speaking about the political heat and I remember one of the analogy Deputy President Ruth was speaking at some event in Nakuru. He mentioned about the kitchen and now the Jubilee house kuna joto, Nakuna moshi and it seems now some of the people can't stand the smoke and the heat. They have decided to leave. But even so on the other hand the Jubilee party and the Jubilee coalition thing it was made out of small, small parties. These are the people who came and formed the party. Are they at liberty to live now? Are they bound by the party's constitution to live? In this country parties are always the users of vieko. Once you reach your destination and you don't own that vieko what are you going to do in that vieko? You are light to your destination. Move on. Do what you want to do. Do they go back with the names of their parties or they have to come up with new parties? They have come up with new parties. The Jubilee had so many parties in itself. Now the parties that were swallowed by Jubilee now the people will get out. Those parties are now they are no longer there. They don't exist. So these people need to form up other new parties because those ones never existed. And that's why you see people like Wijinwa Malwa they have realized today that they need to have a party. So that they can run on that party. And that's why you see those kwaubos they need to have whatever the four Kenyans thing so that they can have a vieko they can use to bargain or to use they just need a vieko to bargain for something in the government. Let me say so. And what lesson would be people learning from being in a small party being swallowed by a big party what lesson are people now getting from this? People what they should learn is that just work from where you are and the best example is NASA. We heard Jubilee and then we heard NASA. You see NASA was a coalition of political parties. Jubilee was a party. Now you see when the party leader went the other way or the flag bed of NASA went the other way. NASA went there as ODM. Now these others when Kalonso goes there he goes there as wiper. Now he speaks as ANC same to Wetangula when CCM has gone there he has gone there as CCM not as NASA. That's a different thing. When you retain your original now you remain to be there. Unlike when you are swallowed. What if NASA was a party today there will be a lot of war in that party called NASA. I'm telling the truth. Because right now there is war but one thing the war that is there no one can step on that and tell him keep quiet silence the other person. No everyone is a boss on their own. And everyone manages his own ideologies. Everyone has MPs and everyone can control their MPs. Unlike the way Jubilee is when they get so they have one leader and they have to toe. They have to toe as their leader tells them they have to follow the leader. If the leader goes this way so if you are a rebel you just need to speak and decide to be there. But when it is a coalition when a party decides to be a rebel you choose either to be there or out. Speaking about the marja for the last 7 years or so the Jubilee government has been quoting the bad government but now we are having people coming to the same government. What does this mean? How good does it become? Who are these people who are saying this government was bad? The opposition at the time. They are the same people they are the same people who have joined the same government. I will remind you of Galana Kulalu the irrigation scheme. The former prime minister was always on record saying, Mr. Proprietional Fund Galana Kulalu is not a good idea it's a very bad idea for this country after the handshake he toured Galana Kulalu the one who said this project is a good project is the best project for this country this one actually demystifies and tells us clearly we don't subscribe to ideology we subscribe to our own personal interests when I'm in that thing is good because I'm getting a share when I'm out that thing is bad because I'm not getting a share that is the problem that we have in this country the borrowing of loans was bad but there is a time they went to China all of them although he said I went there as an African envoy but they went there and it was on record that they were negotiating for more loans to come now you are going to negotiate so that you can get a share but now when you are out it does not suit you it's not good so this is the fallacy that we have when we sit down as much as we may have political differences or political interests with the DP let us at times interrogate his words let us interrogate his words a mad person can save you from being killed or from danger ahead of you because when you ignore a mad man to some extent you may land in danger so at times let's listen to the mad men in the street they may guide us in the right way deputy president has been on record so many times telling us when we bring this kifanya ii u nasema nimbaya these are the same things deputy president used to say to tell us now they are the same things we are seeing and as I am saying let us also listen to the mad man on the street and we interrogate each and everything and when we sit down to interrogate each and everything then we shall get good and sober leaders now through sycophants now would you say the coming of Waipa party to the jubilee and the to the jubilee party it's because of the interest I'm sure they will form some heat what can you foresee from this these are the interests they need one we have to control the parliament the parliamentary committees you see right now they are the vacant I can see they are vacant there is no leadership on those parliamentary groups so these parties also need us to take in this to start from there after that one is done the same parties need us to take in the cabinet in shafos after that one is done the same parties need us to take and we are going to see a lot of reshafos a lot of changes in a very short period of time I am telling the truth because of the interest that these parties have come up with I need this I need this so that my person can be benefited so that my people can get this and this so that the people we are talking about my people is not the community it's just one individual or two individuals that are going to benefit themselves and you that the person who began for them so these are brokers they have gone there so they can strike a broker deal for the few individuals they have their appointment, their kimen they need to have it's going there to benefit Kenya as a country no less development and if you want to confirm this Jack Ma donated staffs that we are going to use for covid-19 the staff that Jack Ma donated are lost it was in the other day these things have vanished where have they vanished to does it mean we don't have good people to look after these things what they go to have a problem these things were sold they did not even get load they have just been sold it's just a language those are serious allegations now these people who have come to the Jubilee party they have their own interest and politically it has been said over the years there are no permanent enemies do you think the people or the veterans in the Jubilee party will take it easily for them to see their newcomers being given positions and I can tell you this from my observation of the unfolding of things since the handshake things now they have become comfortable ask me why look at more common when it was asked from the majority leadership it's very comfortable he's still vibrant he still talks nothing has stopped him from coming to the floor of the house and air his views or debate or contribute on a motion nothing has stopped him he's still the more common with you the only difference is he's not the majority leader so they have come to live with it they are very much comfortable and they are ready for anything and you see and when we started our conversation we were talking about Jubilee as silly this is another house that they think let us sit here they are just sitting here let us share our idea from here let us draw our strategy from here so there is a lot that is in that kitchen then we know that makes them very much comfortable when that leader is not talking when the leader is not talking now they can do anything on their own but the leader cannot come and tell them no stop this this being likened to the general is silent yes just silent general and you don't know what the silent general is planning so it is like we can say a dominant a dominant volcano mountain that can erupt at any time so these are some of the things that we need to go in a corner and interrogate ourselves what is his next move why is he so silent on this thing and this thing is really directly affecting him these are some of the things that we need to interrogate when we sit somewhere in a corner in a dark room so that we get good answers and you see this thing the formation and the coming up together parties there will be casualties and I have always said there will be casualties and some people are going to cry and they will cry but it will be already done would you imagine a scenario where everyone in the jubilee party will now live and the newcomers will be left what kind of a house would that be because when the when the newcomers remain and everyone feels now I thought I would be hard I thought it's my chance but now it's not here so they leave now it will be like now a baby will be looking for things to when the baby starts walking he tries to look at where will I hold so that I can get stability so that I can reach the other end where will I hold at times he walks on the chairs, on the tables or at times he crawls so these people will be crawling that way will be holding on things just to get somewhere these are the same things that happened in two or two people thought they will be favored to get leadership from ze but what happened and that's why we saw the formation of Naak and Nat so the same things are going to form the same things are going to form remember Kibaki never left DP he never left DP to come and join and join Kano he remained in this DP believe me or not he never left DP to come and join Kano he remained in DP and he was there till the last time this era joined him so the same thing will happen same thing can happen history can repeat itself and history is good at repeating itself so the same things can happen this 2022 and from next year we are going to see people start crying they start crying from 2022 I came here with these expectations but you have not given them yet or people can give whatever they want after that they will still come no matter what and do you think when the heat it's too much after the newcomers have come you have not been had do you think we have a scenario now people are going back to the originality the jubiliasili now one thing I can say for the presidents to rule well to have good and peaceful transition he needs to silence the opposition and that one he did it during the handshake time he silenced he silenced the opposition after silencing the opposition he has been very comfortable he doesn't have stress because what he wants he wants peace and you see he can decide to give whatever they want I can decide you are my friend I can decide because one thing we don't know where Ruta and Guru came from they have been together for a very long time and these are very close friends it's easy to fight a friend than to fight an enemy so you can bring an enemy on board at the expense of your friend just to have peace and enjoy what you want to enjoy so what president wants is just have a very smooth running of his affairs and his government a very peaceful nation a nation that doesn't have a lot of noise and other things that may lead to war so that's why he said let me work with these people and that's why we don't have a lot of bikering and a lot of accusations from this side so in other words you would say the president is trying to kupati amtoto embe kusabu ame Lilia you talk Lilia embe embe now with the formation of jubilia cili or it's retaining I don't know what to call it it's the jubilia cili as they are saying it we have few people who could be called defectors and they have gone there and they have been so clear on whether what they want we have the parliamentary group which is happening this day and some of them have said we will not be going there because we feel our members are being slaughtered the question is why and others how do we find ourselves with the tangatanga and the kiyoleweke knowing very well with the president he's leaving, he's not coming back again constitutionally why would they align themselves with someone fresh who is coming in other than the one who is leaving you see what you can say is that what has made this people realign themselves okay these were the real opposers of the same same government that they are joining today what has brought these people together is one thing is the BBA is the constitution that they are talking about amending and everyone is trying to look at if this constitution is amended this is where I can benefit from if this constitution is amended this is what I'll get remember even in 2010 we passed a constitution and you see almost everyone was on that side because he was like this is what I'll benefit but Marku most people who were opposing the constitution and the one who benefited from it who opposed the constitution in one way he was not fully supporting the constitution okay but he just did it because he was the president who opposed the constitution strongly and then all the way to the to the ballot opposing it but later so you might be championing for something that at the end of the day won't even help you at the end of the day you will still come and cry follow the same same same thing so that's why I always say we lack ideology when we have ideology then we shall stand from where we are we shall be the people we need to be we shall be the leaders we are supposed to be and not just psychophans who today I'll say this tomorrow I'm saying this whatever I'm opposing today I'll come and support tomorrow we should not be such people let us be people of integrity by the events so most of our leaders are being swayed by the events BBI is coming so let us all be in it okay and to show you and see this BBI why I'm questioning so much BBI because I see a lot of impunity in it one, the constitution is very clear and I want to bring to mention this the constitution is very clear when the court finds that you have a case to answer whether you are a minister whatever kind of an officer you are whether a junior officer in that office you need to step aside go or resign just in fact not step aside, resign because the court has found you guilty you have a case to answer then let other people manage their affairs go, sort your things the case the governor of Busea he has a case to answer 8 million corruption scandal in his county but he is still in office no one is talking about it what if that person was now on the other side of the current events this person we could be hearing names and names being called right now like it happened with the we could be reminded now and then that so and so the court has found you guilty you need to leave that office go and answer your charges but right now we don't hear such a calls why we will be taking a very short break and when we come back we will go deeper into details of what is happening the meeting that will happen what does it mean I will also speak about the governor and the leadership and the impunity that is there in keeping it why in the morning my name is 20 minutes to 8 am in the morning 22nd of June 2020 is the date if you just tuned in we are having an eye on politics here the political hit in Kenya where we will be having the parliamentary group meeting at KICC which is the jubilee and a lot is expected to be happening some will be discharged from the positions and maybe some will be appraised that remains to be seen we are members some of the members of the jubilee purchasing they will not be attending but even so we have to try to demystify some of the things that have been happening earlier we have mentioned the formation of the jubilee asili which is interpreted to be the original jubilee I am speaking to say it as a political analyst we move on with our conversation what informs the decision when you are voting we would love to hear your response to these questions Y254 Facebook and Instagram and Y254 channel on Twitter my name is welcome to the broadcast before we went on that break you were mentioning of the impunity of the governors it is happening and if it was on the other side you were saying it would be a trouble but now even having now it is impiting the governors we have two in the line now Isyolo governor Kuti is said to be impeached the MCs are working on him and then we have Charitingilo of Kitui last week we had a debate here whether it is the woman being fought what do you make of this it is not all about the woman who is being fought it is all about having good leadership in place anybody can make up to be a leader but what we need is integrity what we need is good leadership good service to the people just play your role as the leader give the people what they deserve to have when you are in that position so it is not all about fighting one gender anyone who gets into leadership as long as you are doing good then no one will fight you no one will question you but everyone will praise you once you are doing anything good so when we talk about gender when you bring in the gender question then we water down integrity we water down good governance we water down the leaders the leadership the good leadership that we need to have in this country so let us not focus or put our eyes on gender but let us handle the issue the way it is remember when you step on that leadership I am going to do this and this so you need to be within that you need to be within the law and the law does not know gender and other things let us just adhere to the constitution and adhere to the rule of law at the end of the day let us give people what we told them that we are going to give them despite our gender at the moment but let us work with integrity why are the MCAs impeaching mostly the first timers remember when Mora was impeached this was the first time we were having the evolution so when Mora was impeached it is not all about the first timers it is not all about this and this remember legislation oversight these are three it is their role it is their mandate so when they find that you are not within the rule of law let them play their oversight role let them impeach you go to the senate then and if you also can sit down them and settle with them and tell them fine they also need to listen to you say this and this and this and that is why the motion of impeachment is always brought in that house wherever you need to go and defend yourself but the problem is the governors choose not to attend to those proceedings but they run away but when the motion is brought to the senate they choose to sit and be listened to and yet you cannot listen to so in other words they undermine the mcs they undermine the mcs and not only the mcs but you undermine the constitution because this person is playing their role the oversight role they are playing it so you should also when that impeachment is being carried out go to that house listen to them it can still flop there it does not need to come to the senate it can still be handled down there why did you choose to sit in the senate to be listened to and listen to the senators on an impeachment day and you cannot listen and sit to the mcs on an impeachment day when they are impeaching you at the county level you can money this thing there before they come to the national level what should be done to ensure the mcs have been given some powers other than the impeachment those three roles they play to make sure that the governors will not feel like being questioned by the mce it's not my thing you see it is just like no the mcs are playing the role they are supposed to play a citizen in the constitution there is no any other powers they need to have apart from what you can say for them to fund the word word development programs then the roles they have right now they are like they are also like MPs because also MPs have the same three roles play at a national level so for them they are just good the only thing we need to have is we need to have leaders who respect the constitution because if you choose not to listen to them and these are the people whom you need to work with them so that you ensure development is in my county so that you ensure that I have achieved what we need to achieve as a county you can't achieve without them there is a reason why devolution is there and they play a very key role in ensuring that devolution is well managed devolution is well exercised so when we talk of we need to wrap them off we don't need to listen to them then we are doing wrong these are the people we need to listen to we need to sit them with them and work with them we cannot ignore them then it means we are ignoring the constitution now as we come to a close we have the parliamentary group of the jubilee party there has been a lot of hearsays who will be discharged who will be given the position and it has been like they have been calling it the sanitization of the house it has begun with the Senate now we are in the parliament and it is believed dole could survive some of the members are supporting him but now all those who are discharged from their committees people will be coming into office maybe from today if they will be mentioned from there now do you think what has been being done in the parliament is in a way to have the BBI go through it since we can't have social gatherings for a friend dole survives because even from where I sit when you look at dole I have never seen him being concerned with the president he has pushed the government agenda in the flow of the house there is no a single day he has opposed a government agenda before the handshake and after the handshake he has always been there for the government despite the fact he has allegiance from the other side but he has never portrayed that as a leader he has always exercised his roles the way he is supposed to exercise his roles as a government representative in the house so to me and what he said these positions are not permanent he is ready for anything and he is very much comfortable for anything so once they feel that fine they let them change but if they retain him also he is the best person to retain and he is not also the best person you can wish away because he has also demonstrated he is loyal and a trusted person and the jubilee changes is something from my hand I cannot say that is something I am hearing from at the moment these things have been talked about it is something that was planned long time ago right now it is just execution rubber stamping this is what we talked about this is what we are talking about this is how it will go all these things were something that was talked long time ago I can remember Kamaket sometimes in Baringo he talked about the same things in parliament they will be there after covid he talked about them and he really explained them very well so these things have been there they were planned long time ago right now it is just execution the same same thing in cabinet Rishafu we are here to see it it is something that is being talked about and we are going to see it there is going to be a lot of political changes in this thing remember has welcomed visitors in the party and these visitors have come with their demands remember they signed the memorandums so this after signing the memorandums now it is all about working and to achieve your goals you need to ensure whatever took you there you got it and if you don't get it you will start crying so right now everybody is anticipating to get something and we are going to see it from today even in the shafals in the parliament you will see a lot of shafals in the parliament that will favour this other side so a lot is said a lot is going to be done and there will be casualties at the end of the day during the Madaraka day a few days ago the president hinted the constitution will be amended and that could happen very soon and over time Re-Loading has been mentioning that the constitution will be amended it was to happen in July but thanks to covid has stopped a little but we are still hoping things will change with the socio distancing thing would you say the BBI is going the parliament way? BBI will go the parliamentary way and you remember before all these things before the covid there was a concern that the BBI if it goes parliamentary way it will flop and you see the changes that are happening in parliament there are changes to ensure the BBI passes through so these are some of the things we need to be very much concerned about because when it goes the flow of the house and now I have these people on my side it will pass and remember when Uru talked about legacy this is the legacy he was talking about this is the agenda he was talking about and he forgets to tell us about the big four agenda but now this has become a priority so when will we achieve the big four agenda? health has become an issue if we talk of covid the way we see the numbers the numbers will rise the health system in this country is not well equipped now we are talking about education our children, our pupils our students are at home because of this issue of covid there are no facilities in the school remember there is a time we talked about the number of students in class public school has like 90 students or pupils in the class now the public school itself has to look at how are we going to have even 25 students we have the same concern I had magoa speak of the other day we need to look on how our government is going to have 25 pupils of students in a class so that we can manage these things but now when we sit down and look at the facilities we have in our schools we look at the amenities we have in our schools they are not enough the latchings, the toilet we have they are not enough so when we sit down and debate match on how are we going to have leadership or when so and how so and so is going to be a leader but we forget on self delivery to our people that's where we go on we need to put self delivery to people then we think then we now sit down and craft how we become now leaders what we put in place but we cannot talk of how to become a leader just to manage and a thin air so we need to be very critical in what we are doing and we need to be very observant also in what we are doing let us not just run for leadership and yet we don't know what we are yearning for alright now if the BBA goes through the parliamentary way do you think the electorate will have been denied a chance to make their decision I can say as far as I understand the parliamentary how it works when something goes to the parliament they tell me submit your views to the parliament to look into it submit what you want submit your memorandum or as a member of parliament to who you submit to the parliament the committees these are committed to be in charge of it maybe say legal affairs committee so submit your views to the parliament for example we had an issue with the National Youth Council where the parliament was saying the National Youth Council has to be under the ministry of public service commission whereby the public service commission will appoint the CEO of NYC and not whereby the youths will access their own mandate to ensure that they have their own leader in that position unlike a leader who has just been appointed you see there is a difference between appointment and election appointment is where you are under massive of someone that you need to do what that person that tests you to do but now when you are independent then these people elect you and they will also you will work as per their demands to some extent even if you want to work 100% but 60% or 70% you will work as per the needs of these people because you are looking at I need back this leadership or I need to have a legacy I need to live a legacy so when we submitted the memorandum to the parliament up to now up to now it has never been worked until we can say it was we submitted it the NYC and other group group of youths we work and we went submitted the memorandum we gave it to the young implementer and so that they can go and debate to it up to now it has never been debated still waiting so these are some of the problems that you will have fine it will go they will tell us submit your memorandums or submit whatever we shall submit them but how sure am I it is going to be worked into or it is going to be looked into but if you let the process go the way it goes like the way it was going go to the people they let the people now work on it submit their issues submit their amendments then we shall fill all to it but when it goes the parliamentary way it will be just passing through because now the parliament is being changed why we shall hear less debate on that we shall hear less debate on that document but it will go through then after it has gone through we shall start crying about the process why are we crying about the the political parties act right now because it is something that was brought towards the end of the parliament in 2013 I think about 2013-2015 some that was just brought and then it was passed by the parliamentarians now you see we have a lot of problems that need to be solved in this political parties act and no one is talking about it and that's why you have so many problems in the parties and so many problems in governance right now but if you do things in the right way then you shall achieve good governance yes alright thank you so much for coming and trying to shed some light to our audience we would love to see some of your comments what you have said regarding the question what informs the decision when you go to vote you have voted maybe in 2013 and 2017 so what guides your decision when voting for a leader we want to see some of your comments what you have said regarding this particular question Kenedi Cheryot the promised and when you vote them in they forget their promise is not need to vote that's a Kenedi Cheryot because of high expectations and personal favours from politicians that's Bwana Ali and then Maurice Jacob Makoa says Kaka Mega Sigala Gala National Polytechnic College watching what guide my own my side on my side is behavior of the leader okay Tony Bezo he says there's nothing to vote Beatrice Kemonto says what they promised to do in the here and the what and the elephant okay Sharon Kimeli says trustworthiness that's what guides her when she goes to vote and then we have Madden Bay okay even if I vote or not leaders of nowadays Hawadzali, Maisha Awanainchi all are fake Macha and Danny thank you for watching 50 billion tundio who are inna nifanya na kwa mami nifu adi nampigia kura onasasabili na umia hawa watuni burikabisa Nikiwa Cherengani Kaplamaina wapata wale team Paira anasema I don't vote alright you need to be voting Emperor Felix Agri says nothing you just vote you need to have a reason to vote and have a reason to vote for that particular person Jumbe Gabu Mwaki onasema principles of a person that what's will guide you embrace someone who has a good a good profile in the society and of course how she or he has having some problems with the taking issues here has been doing for the good of the society that was one of the reason that will help someone to vote and Ryan from and from Dago should be carrying and fulfilling what he promised to vote to vote as that is and finally Tabia Anasemani Eshimayam too the way person talks and reacts to issues watching from Konambaya Matunda thank you for watching and thank you everyone for watching and sending us your comments we still have more I think money can guide and as well change a decision I think that is dangerous if you vote because someone gave you something or what do you think he meant I think money can guide and as well change the decision so you know what I was saying kumpatia punch kumpatia punch money can guide and as well change the decision you need to change but the end they forget 2022 mimi kura sita piga you need to vote my friend watching from Gatbatule Siolo County Muhamedabdi Kuti Atajua muna ta kumu impeach Presley Azim Naivash I don't know anything about voting okay we need civic education I have never voted and I will never vote but I will attend the rallies forward and eat the money these are the Kenyans we have he is working together there Alfred Mr. Hoopa Izakribon Lamayan they promise but they never deliver okay Agastin Kavisha already tuned in out and then get me Kisaumakweni County I don't have time to vote time will come we need to vote we need to weed out these bad leaders nili vote maramoja na sitai vote tenas juu since ni anze kujit kujitafti agaz akuna kitu nisha isa edika kutoka kwa gava washenzi how that is Ali Jemo okay and John Mutati says sasa ku voti anini mimi siyoni maana civic education Pamel Kabuka mi siyawai voti and BD Astley says macha confirmed mi adont vote we need civic education that is the problem we are talking about you see I mentioned about the political parties act how it was brought in how the bill was tabled in the parliament then you see it was not fully debated on there is a big lakuna in the same institution the political parties themselves they have a big problem because one then another issue is the electoral the IBC because one we need to carry out civic education and you remember that IBC will only come to sensitize us when it's time of voting then they will go because they need to play right now they need to be going to the people because they have a budget they need to be going to the people and carrying out civic education where they need to vote who they need to vote what kind of a leader they need to vote so these are some of the things that we need to work on as a country and also as well informed people also LSK need to come in handy in educating these people even when you go down the streets I don't need to vote I will never vote even an old person I will not vote because he has his rights like who has mentioned he will go to the rallies and have that money it's the wrong decision we need to vote leaders what we need to do is enlighten our people we need to carry out civic education to our people so we have a very big role to play in this country so that we achieve good leadership and good governance and what our leaders fear is accountability so we need to have people who will check on these leaders let us help them in checking this so that you can have the good leaders in the next time let us not repeat our mistakes alright thank you so much societal for coming and all your ideas and I'm sure people back home have land especially the youth say they do not vote others they will go to have money and which will change your decision that is a very dangerous move to make so we need to do something from this discussion this morning my name is Dereva Hillary I was speaking to Sarah Selito he is a political analyst coming up next season a discussion will be speaking to a group of people who have come up with an idea to help the vulnerable communities in having masks and reusable masks to help us fight COVID-19 stay tuned to why in the morning see you in a few