 Check it, check it, check it, it's your unique house, it's your boy E.C.O., and I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Miss Jamaica. What's going on? Nothing, nothing. You know my dad walk on. Well, this guy right here don't need no introduction. He be on the internet a lot. You guys haven't seen him. You know, he talk about these fights all the time, some niggas don't even agree with him. But some niggas do. We just don't know. I know he got some haters out there because you ain't got no haters, you ain't popping, man. Check it, man, black, pipe man TV is in the building. What's up, brother? How y'all doing? How you doing, Quinn? How you doing? How y'all doing? Thank you for coming on the show, man. It's been a long time coming. Yes, yes it has, man. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of both of y'all. Me? Let's get back to me, you know. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, proud of me. Yeah, I've worked, I've done everything I could to make sure that this platform is great along beside my wife, and yeah, it hadn't been easy. No, I'm just kidding. You know it's hard to come up out of Dallas, man. Man. It's hard to come up out of Dallas. But I've been saying that I'm not from Dallas and she's not from Dallas. I think that, I think... But we're in Dallas. But we've been... I've been in Dallas for over 30 years. You've been here for a long time, man. Yeah, so I've been coming out here since the 70s. So at the end of the day, most of these niggas ain't really got what I got going. Since the 70s? Yeah, 79. You gotta realize I was young. 79, you wasn't even 10. It don't matter. My auntie lived over on Beckland since the 50s. Yeah. Man, we had to come out here. I didn't even wanna come out here. Man, did you ever been to Beckland Park to eat a free lunch? Yeah. Come on, man. They were giving it away. He qualified. The park right there had a house. He just walked out the front door. She right... He qualified. He qualified. He qualified. So, but let's get back to you though. Don't try to switch this. I know what you try to do. Yeah. But you know, the funny thing is that when I'm listening to your voice, your voice is so calming and soothing and stuff like that. I can't think of you getting hype when you're talking about fights and stuff because he's just so... You know those radio voices that are laid back like, yeah, this is the quiet storm. That's how your voice sounds. Cece on the other hand. I don't even know how she can do it because her voice goes up here. But your voice, you don't... You're like a level-headed, calm tone. Don't get too high. Just chill type of person. I think the nigga like to see the hypeness, but he just don't activate himself. I can't blow up. I can't go get excited a lot, especially with boxing. Boxing is so much passion in boxing. You know what I'm saying? It is the most passionate sport out of all the sports. More than football? More than football. I hear some people talk about these cowboys and let me tell you. Boxing is another... Look, let me tell you something. You have to pay to see your favorite fighter on TV. So if you're paying to see $7,500 to see somebody fight, you love them. You know what I'm saying? You love them. And then to sit on the floor to say Floyd Mayweather, it's $10,000. Sit on the floor. Then you and your lady, it's $20,000. To sit in the nosebleeds, it's $500. And then you got to fly out there, buy a hotel room, stay out there, go to weigh-ins. Boxing fans are the most dedicated fans. You can watch football for free. You can watch soccer for free. You can watch all that other stuff for free. You can't watch boxing. Not boxing. Let's get out through there. So did you always love boxing as a kid growing up? Yeah. Yeah. I've always loved boxing. I grew up... From how old? When you say kid, I'm talking about like five, six... I love the Sugar Ray Leonard. I love the Mike Tyson. Were you practicing on people like at home? Like fighting all the kids? I love fighting. Yeah, brothers? Uh-uh. Sisters? I have a younger sister. We didn't grow up together necessarily. We had a little time together, but not a lot. You know what I'm saying? Is sister by your dad or mom? My mom. Okay, so you weren't living with your mom? I lived with my mom's house about 15, 16. Why? You were given too much trouble? Yes. She couldn't handle you no more. I wouldn't say she couldn't handle me. My mom is a great woman, strong woman, and I couldn't handle her rules. Let me say that. I couldn't say that. I couldn't handle her rules. I wanted to be the bad guy. Okay. Where was dad? My dad was in prison. Your entire life? No, the majority of my youth. How old were you when he went? If you remember. I'd say my dad left my life probably around three. Oh, so you didn't really get any impact from him where, you know, having a father figure around, you could say, well, you know, this is what I learned. He went at a very young age. You didn't have that with him. But I didn't with him, but my mother had some amazing men and that she was, my sister's father was, he was a street dude, but he was a great man. Okay. He valued education and he was very, he had a real good talk game. How was your, did your dad stay locked up to you 15, 16? He did a long stint. He came home, but I would say he came home probably when I was about 12 or 13. Did you get any of them letters with the, you know, with the right? Come on now. You know, you got to have the letter. Yeah. Yeah. He done painted on it. Nigga might have seen your handkerchief or anything in that thing. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I don't get that with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got all that. Connect, yeah. Trying to get it together. You know what I'm saying? But you know, around that time, man, you know, I was. Didn't want to hear it. No. You know what I'm saying? At least he tried. Yeah, he tried. You think about it now? He tried. You know, but me and my father, we didn't, me and my father, Drew Bito, we didn't get a connection until I was like 20 years old. Yeah. How did that connection come about? He got out of prison the last time and he was serious. Like even to the, because at that, at that point in time, I was full fledged in the streets. I was out there doing my thing. And he knew that. And he knew that. And he came on. We got a job, work from the bottom. And he was calling my phone in the beginning, the initial conversation was like, bro, what'd you call him for? I don't even want to talk to you. Right. You know, maybe even me cussing him out and stuff like that. And you know, because at this time I'm a street person. Right. You know what I mean? And so, and he just kept, he stayed persistent. I mean, he stayed persistent like a year straight, just following me around, you know, until I gave in to, to where we could just have dialogues and stuff like that. And whereas, whereas if I didn't hear from him like, okay, we'll just, we'll just do that. You know what I'm saying? You know, maybe he done feel back off or something like that. You know, he stayed with it. He was committed to that. I like that. And kudos to dad for that. You know, I like that. My dad has recently like over the past, like, like three years ago he passed away. Oh, I'm so sorry. But we had a, we had a relationship and it was very strong. But that's good. Very strong. Love my father. He was dope. And you know, I want, it's like, how can we relate that to a lot of people out here who can't forgive their father for not being there, who won't give them the time of day? Because when I look on situations like that, you have some people who do that and then their father passed away. And then I'm like, man, I wasted all that time hating him. And now he's gone. I wish he was here. What would you say to that young kid who is hating their dad right now and still have their dad right now, but not giving him time of day? What would you say to that young boy? Um, I say, or young man. I mean, I say this all, and I say this all the time on my show on Trillbots to talk. It's just, you, you always have to just, just keep that line open. You know what I'm saying? Talk to him. I'm not saying that you just, just, just, just, just give him a chance. You know, and I know that's going to be hard because I know a lot of people have gave their father a lot of chances, but just, just give him a chance and just, just, just don't give up on them. You know, don't give up on them. And I mean, and it's kind of, it's kind of really, it's kind of hard for me to say like right now because y'all are asking me that off the, off the muscle without, but in those moments when my, like when my dad was dying and stuff like that, I have shows and stuff like that where I talked about that stuff intricately because it was a very rough time when he was dying. Because y'all built that big bond. We built it. We built it. And I, and I know it could be done. I know it could be done. So it's hard for me to accept somebody's hatred for their parents or what mom or dad that maybe had left them or something like that, because I know what we went through. What's the thing you've learned the most from him during that time? My dad's last words was to me, not last words, but the most impactful words to me as he was dying. He was like, I always keep it true. Like you say on that show, keep it true. Like you say on that show every day. That's hard. You know. And he watched your shows. He watched my show and you know, he was just, he was just, you know, that was, that was, and before my dad died, he told me all his secrets. The good, the bad, the ugly. And did you understand a lot now? Absolutely. Because a lot of times we don't ever understand, we hate our parents or don't know why they act a certain way or did certain things. And not to realize that it's tradition passed down. Something that they went through with their parents, that they don't know how to handle being a father. Don't know how that's why they ended up on the streets, drugs, whatever. Because people are, kids, put it this way. I grew up where a child's supposed to know their place. You don't ask your parents certain things. You don't discuss certain things with your parents. Your parents don't know how to open up to you to say certain things. So the traditional, or let's call it curse, keep passing down because you have not addressed this situation. Right. Being able to say, why are you like how you are? This is what I need from you, but you're not able to give it to me. And for them to open up and say, well, I don't know how to, my father was the same way to me. I'm supposed to be a man. And this is what an image of a man is supposed to be. But you're like, no, that's not what I need. You know what I mean? They don't know how to do that. You know what's crazy is now when he's telling me all his secrets. Now, my grandfather, he's from East Texas. Okay. You know, he's from a huge spring. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know. Yeah. And it's a bunch of them out there. And so, so, but, but he left a kid there. Now, my grandfather, so my dad is telling me all the secrets and he also got his brother, his younger brother, which is my uncle that I'm meeting for the first time on the side of my father as he's dying. My uncle's son and me have been in high school together. We didn't know each other. He was my first cousin. Wow. Now, when I'm coming up, he my first cousin, he was a big star running back, you know, and throughout the city. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to put that name out there. But he was a big time, you know what I mean? But I was a little kid and he was like a senior and coming out. But we didn't know that we were even first cousins until my father passed. And, you know, we all look alike. You know what I mean? So it was just, it was, it was crazy. But, you know, it's, it's, you know, you always keep that line open for your father. Yeah. And we coming out of a crisis with the drugs and all the different things that have happened to us. And so a lot of people are just now really learning how to open up and just learning how to cope, learning how to learn how to deal with trauma, learning how to overcome certain things and relationships and things like that. I'm never going to go in a way to go from cocaine to now fat knowledge is a thing and pills and everything else. It's like, if it's not one thing, it's next. People don't know how to cope with reality. They want to numb themselves from reality. That crack epidemic was hard, though. It was tough. That was hard. That was hard. It was tough, but it was definitely something that many people, you know, I learned how to count money during that era. So I'm not tripping. You know, I understand I was going through some things dealing with situations, but if it had not been for that early economical system, you know what I'm saying? I probably wouldn't be able to be a mind state to where I thought on a high dollar amount. You know what I mean? Because usually a person that was not exposed to a lot of cash, he wouldn't know how to think to even handle a lot of cash. So what happened early on with you as far as you bumped your head a little bit? Let's talk about that. I mean, I'm from... I say it like this. I was born and raised in Oakleaf. Oakleaf? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we know the deal over there. I mean, I was born and raised in Oakleaf, but I mean, I've lived all over Dallas. I lived in DeSoto and Cedar Hill and stuff like that. North Dallas, too? No, I didn't live in North. Never went to the North. No, but I'mma tell you. I tell everybody this. I'm Oakleaf-made, but I got some South Dallas waves. Now, my hustle, my swag, all that come from South Dallas. Oh, you hanging out over there? What was your addiction? Bunton. Oh, Bunton, 007. 007, you know what I'm saying? You were over there. I was over there. I don't peel them. Post it up. Every day, all day. Everybody knew you. Everybody knew me over there. From any man down in the ghetto club, all that. They know you. I was in Little Hollywood. I was everywhere, but you know what I'm saying? I love South Dallas, man. I love South Dallas, especially Bunton. Rochester Park. Oh, yeah. I'm out there. Wow. I'm on the car line. What year? What year was that one? Early on. Man, that's early 2000s. Early 2000s. Early 2000s. You know what I'm saying? And I was out there, but it was just, it was, I mean, it was typical. And I grew up in Big T. Okay. My mother, I had a very, my mother was a very strong woman. Entrepreneur. She had a shop in Big T. My mother had the, was the first person that I ever knew in Dallas that was doing gift wrapping in Big T. And she also had the gift baskets. And we talking late, early 90s, like 91. Yeah, yeah. 90 when nobody doing that stuff back then. How old did she stay in there? My mom was in Big T for years. You know what I'm saying? I literally grew up there. You know, I was, I was there all the time. Like all the way up to what year? 96. 96. 96. 91 through 96. Over there. I was over there. It wasn't as bad though, was it? Or was it bad back then? Like I could, I could portrays to be now. Like if people weren't getting killed and all that in there, dude. Yeah, people always been getting killed. So people bleeding out in their way back then. Was it somebody at Big T? Yeah, inside, on the floor. No, no, no, no. That was first time I seen something like that. No, no, no. You seen that, right? What's that? It was a video out where two dudes died. It was a couple people. They were trying to so-called rob somebody. They got shot. They got robbed and robbed a dude. Oh, no. This happened like a couple months ago. You keep your eyes straight with the blinders all like that. I'm not into none of this. I would have been the same way with my partner. He sent me the video because he had a story in there. He was like, yeah, man, two people did a shootout in here. And then this video was just going viral. Like it's crazy how quick things hit the internet. So you see a lot of stuff that you wouldn't have normally seen in our day. One thing about me, I'm not in the loop on so many things. Many things, yeah. So many things. If it ain't about my children or directly affect some of my young homeboys. You stay away from it. Yeah, I stay away from it because I don't want... Because I know what I used to be and how I used to get out. And I don't want no parts of that. And I don't want my kids exposed to that. Exposed to any of that. When you was at Big T, was they still back during that time on Sunday going down by Glendale and coming back up? Oh, yeah. They got a race track and then coming back in the parking lot. Glendale parking lot. And then the police and the security say, you got to move, man. You can't just sit in this parking lot. I done rode through about four times trying to make... You don't get Glendale and everything. See, I got to come in. You don't get Glendale and everything. That's what we did. That's what we did. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean... Yeah, that's how... That's what it was, man. Sunday and Oakleaf from Glendale to Rodin' All the way up through Big T parking lot. That was life. Yeah, that was it. That was it for us. That was life, man. I enjoyed it. It was life, you know. And it was a beautiful thing. And I missed that. I missed those times. I enjoyed those times. I missed being able to ride through Rochester. It was hard. You couldn't get through that old. But you... You had to come early to get in there. It was live. It was going down right down on the street. In front of people's houses. In front of people's houses. In front of Perl H.S. Times. Yeah. Yeah. Wherever it was, man. They were good times, man. It was great times. Yeah. Yeah. Those were beautiful times. That's the essence of Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. That's the essence of Dallas. Well, tell me about how... I want to know how you got into the internet wave, too, but I don't want to skip nothing. Okay. Yeah. Before you get into that, I want to know... So you said you were on the streets for a while. Yes. Did you ever go to prison? Yes. You bumped his head? Yeah. Yeah. I went to... How old were you when you went? I was very young. I want to say 20, 22, 23. Okay. And how long did you go for? Like 45 years. Okay. And what was the charge? Hustling. On a block? A decision would have tended to distribute. Okay. Yeah. I was running around and selling drugs. You know what I'm saying? I got caught with a load, you know what I'm saying? And I wound up got charged. And that's your first time? Yeah. That was my first charge as far as drugs go. Right. But I had been in... In and out. Yeah. And little stuff. But that was the first... That was the prison. Going to prison and actually getting charged in my first time. What was your experience like and what did you learn from that situation? What was crazy is I have a unique experience with prison. Okay. I was... My case is out of a border town called Brownsville. A lot of my people... I'm from a part of Oakley where it's a lot of Mexicans. So my best friend growing up was a Mexican kid. His brother-in-law was the man. Okay. And so I was actually groomed into that. So his brother-in-law was the... When stuff come in, it come to him. And so those people... And that was my best friend. And so I had like a grasp on that type of mentality. I wasn't really into like... I didn't like trap houses and shit like that. I like to... I could see the weight and stuff like that very early on. And so I mean, I developed a lot of relationships and wound up going... You know, dealing with people from across the border. And so I wound up catching the case over there. Or excuse me, right there as you cross the border. So when I went to prison, I was literally... The start of my bid, the detention center I was in was one of the toughest immigration centers in the country. And I was the only... One of the only black dudes there. And I was there for a while. So it was a very, very unique situation for me. And then when I got there, a lot of my friends that were Mexican here in Dallas, that I knew, or our families knew each other, they could not associate themselves with me. That's crazy, but that's so real. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, where you're home. It's crazy when you're somebody you went to... Because he black, right. You went to Rasmus again. Yeah. Or Campi Russo. A bi-story where you say their name or something, they got to put their head down and not talk to you. You know what I'm saying? And so... You had to hang with the brothers. It wasn't no brothers. Well, you were by your damn self. I wasn't a brother. You didn't have nobody to hang with. How many blacks? Well, no blacks were there? Come on now. No, I'm not. None? I'm going to tell you. When I established myself out there and got into a situation to where we could be out there, the people that were with me were people that normally couldn't walk like Cubans, Dominicans, because at that particular place... They weren't accepted as... They not accepted. Right. You know, all the Latinos, that don't mean nothing. Nothing. It was Mexico. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And so... I didn't realize how serious that was till I have a friend that if you call her Mexican, she will cuss you out. Yeah. Yeah. And I tried not to get wrapped up in a politics. You know what I'm saying? That was just a situation to where... I mean, the dudes that rolled with me was probably Cubans. Puerto Ricans. You know, I didn't really see a lot of Puerto Ricans there. Okay. Because, you know, Puerto Ricans are Americans. So they're not going to be in a place like that. Yeah. But it was the Dominicans there. It was... And what was the other one? Cubans. Okay. Cubans. And the Cubans are going to get naturalized or get citizenship, but they still have to go through the process. Right. And so I met a lot of them people down there. And those are the only people that could really... You were the only black. I was there for almost two years. Two years. Because I had to go through my sentencing process. And then they denied my bond. I was a flight risk because of the border situation. And so it was a situation where I was there. I had to go through the whole process there. Do you know Spanish very well? I'm okay. I was about to say. I know enough to survive. But I mean people know from my show, I mess with a lot of the people. But yeah, I picked it up. And plus, like I said, I don't want to make this clear. I don't dislike Mexicans because my best friend of a child is still Mexican. His mom, I ate bean tacos and manudo and shit and stuff growing up. You know what I'm saying? As well as Williams chicken, you know? Yeah. He had these Williams. He had to go up there and get some Williams. I was at Williams over there off Illinois. I went around to Williams at Illinois eating the two pieces of pepper for 89 cents. Oh man, 109 with tax money. 89 cents. Mine was 109 when I was hungry. When they first started that stuff. I know how much it was now. Then it was 99. Then it went up to 109. Okay. I didn't have nothing but a dollar. I had to scrounge up pepper money. It was hard. I didn't realize how hard it could get. But you've learned to value those times, man. That's why you know chicken really better than chicken that we eat in the Texas area. I'm going to just say that off the record. They know who I'm talking to. You know what I'm saying? At any rate, when you think about just the fact that you went down, did any riots break out or anything crazy? Absolutely. So you had to deal with riots and stuff in the midst of people that you couldn't trust nobody? I couldn't trust nobody. You know what's crazy is they have like a system, right? Like where the, how they call it, the private prisons. Like in the federal system. So a lot of them, they got their homeboys on prisons and stuff. And a lot of the way what they do with them immigrants is they house them immigrants in their private prisons. They get paid. That's how they get their money by putting them in bids. And so a lot of the dope dealers that catch cases from all of, when you go up a level, where I was not at the detention center, but when you catch chain and you go up, that's when you start seeing black dudes, you know, black dudes from St. Louis or Detroit or whatever the case, they start pulling them in because they have people's cases and stuff like that. And so, you know, that's when you start seeing more of the violence and stuff like that. But it's always riots against the, with the Mexicans within the ACL. Give me one of the craziest times where a riot broke out. What caused it? Give me one. It was one crazy. I started a riot over watching the Cowboys. There it is. That's the one right there. I started a riot over watching the boys. You started a riot. Yeah. Wherever I go, because down there, soccer is everything. Soccer is everything. Yeah. Because it's mainly Mexican. And they will, if you let them, and what I say, when I say let them, if it ain't in you, don't even do it. Don't try to, don't try. If you just want to be quiet and just sit down, just do it. They don't do it. But for me, I come in when I tell, when they come in, they trying to do their little rules and stuff like that. I tell them, I tell them, let's say, look, we watching the Cowboys and we watching the Mavericks. Y'all can watch soccer and novellas and everything, all at the other time and shit like that. Watch wine, cat and don't and all that. Y'all can do all that. But Sunday, we watching the Cowboys. And if the Mavericks on, we watching the Mavericks. They didn't want to hear that. No, they did for a while, right? Either they gon' hear it or we gon' do it. That's just what it is. You know what I'm saying? Either they gon' hear that or we gon' do it. And that's how I lay it down. And so, I think we had a situation where a soccer game or something came on and the Cowboys was playing and man... What, I'm changing TV or CSM? No, no, they do meetings. They do a lot of meetings and shit. You know what I'm saying? And so, you see them getting mad and shit. I'm watching the game and shit, you know? It's going down. It's going down. They over there trying to figure out them. Y'all got one partner, you know what I'm saying? They come over there and say, man, they over there tripping about this goddamn... Oh, shit, well let's get to it. You know what I'm saying? Shit, I'm watching the Cowboys, you know what I'm saying? Man, you know, so it was... That's where most of the problems, you know, stem because it's just me with certain stuff I'm not going to... That's what happened. I tell people all the time because of the Houston and the Dallas thing, a lot of that stemmed from prison because Dallas and Houston has different football teams and they'll never come together and they're because of that because they're going to support Dallas and Houston's going to support Houston. It used to be the Oilers. I messed this up and then it was the Titans and then it became the Texans, right? So basically it's like, that's a hidden rule in there. We're not going to ride together when it comes down to these sports. And then if it's basketball, you got the Mavericks and you got Houston. And San Antonio. And San Antonio. So it's like, that separates everything. So do you think that's the big difference in the Dallas and Houston thing because Houston and Dallas, when it comes to music or anything, we all different, man. Houston, I really, I really, you know, I'm a real, I'm like a super Dallas dude. So. They'll lock too. You know what I'm saying? They ain't letting nobody in. So they ain't even coming in. I'm like, I'm like a... Who is that? Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, as far as the, as far as the sports go, I mean, I'm like a... Low D's. Low D's. Oh yeah. I forgot low D's. It's all good. It's all good. I'll cut that out. Let's go. No, that's all good. But what you really ask that question? I don't even know what I ask. It's all good people. Yeah, it's all good people. It was basically about Dallas and Houston and the differences that they have. Oh yeah. I mean, man, I really can't speak on them Houston politics. You know what I'm saying? But one thing I will good Houston is they stick together better than us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They stick together better than us. But they're the third or fourth biggest city in the United States. It's going to be a difference. Yeah. But that's not it. That's not it. That don't excuse it. That don't excuse it. Yeah. Dallas, Dallas, Dallas dudes are always, ever since, like I said, I grew up in BT. Yeah. So I seen all the greats come through, Cap Shop and Cap at the Bomb. Cap at the Bomb. And I've seen a lot of them dudes and man, dudes from Dallas, all they do is fight for the bottom. They always fight for the bottom. Fight for the bottom, bro. Yeah. So, so, well, Cap was from Miami. Yeah. But he had the most legendary music shop in Dallas. But maybe, maybe it's debatable between him and George. Him and George. What about Diamond D? Diamond D had it though. Diamond D had it. But he had a good run. He was fucking with Cap. No, Cap had a lot of color. Cap not being from here. Rick Ross and all of them were pulling up, coming to see Cap. I love, I love Diamond D. But I love, and I see Diamond II. I see Diamond II. You see it come up. I knew Diamond when he was having skate set, but I didn't know him like that. But I know he was having he was trying to get a grip. He was trying to get a grip. Yeah. Yeah. But he wasn't fucking with Cap. Nah. Man, you know, Big T, you think that's probably, probably one of the most monumental places when you think of Dallas? Yeah. Like for, better for the hood stories than show. Yeah. Yeah. Big T is definitely a mecca. Little world. Little world. Wimpy's. Wimpy's. Oldham's. Where's Little World? It's in South Dallas. It's all of Dallas. Okay. The only thing I know is Big T, that's it. I'm out of the mix. I'm just, you done been through that with me. You just didn't realize you was there. Oh, okay. You know, grips, pleasant groves. Yeah. Man. You talk about grips. Who has the best burgers in, in, in Dallas? Uh, Wimpy's. I mean, because I'm right there right around the corner from where I grew up. You know what I'm saying? Some people say grips. Grip's is good. You know what I'm saying? But they ain't fucking with Wimpy's. They got fat burgers down here now. Yeah, that ain't, that ain't holding. That ain't those? That ain't holding. I mean, I ate fat burgers. I think it's a cool little thing. But as far as burgers, size and stuff like that. But you got to take me to Wimpy's so I can try that. You got to have Wimpy's. You ain't took the woman to Wimpy's? Nah, man. Be honest with you, man. Certain places, I just don't feel like exposing her to, you know, she Jamaican and so we want to keep her. You know. No, I got to ask you about boxing, man. So, I mean, because you, you, you come in here, you know, and I know y'all love Earl Spence and, uh, is he dodging? Who is y'all? I'm just saying people. Do you love Earl Spence? I love Earl Spence. But still, just tell me. Just tell me. You better be good. You better be good. It wasn't he coming or not, it ain't going to be a smoke. A lot of people, they don't come, but I still haven't paid. No, he'll come through. Just tell me about you and Earl and how you even built that relationship because on your show, that's one of the first thing I noticed, you know what I mean? That you had a relationship with Earl Spence. I mean, I wouldn't call it a relationship. I would just say, like, when I was in prison, um, I was, I was locked up with a dude that was one of the city's greatest. Okay. He was, his name was Greg Corbin. Okay. And, uh, and he want what happened with Greg is he, um, he called a case right before the Olympics where he would get to shine and got 10 years in the field. Yeah. Ended his boxing career. I mean, it didn't end it because he came home and he, he, he, he, he got some fights. He got, he made money in boxing again. Oh, so he did? He came home, he came home because of the crack law and he, matter of fact, he fought on one of Earl Spence's undercar. Okay. At the Cowboy Stadium in front tens of thousands of people. That's good. But, um, but he, but he, but the prime of his career, he lost it. You know what I'm saying? And so, um, I remember, uh, I remember saying to him, I was like, my, my cousin is Earl Spence's, my, my first cousin and Earl Spence's sister are best friends. Okay. And so when I would be calling home, they would be telling me that, you know, uh, Earl Spence is, this is such a, her brother, Ebony brother is, is about to be, he going to be going, he just got in the boxing. The next big thing? She ain't, they weren't telling me he was the next big thing. They were just excited that he had got into boxing. In the boxing. And then my cousin kept saying, like he's good. He's going to be good. Now, Earl didn't get in the boxing to leave like 15. So, but at the same time, I'm down there, we talking about boxing. I'm this number one fan. You know, when you in prison, in the outside, you see, we got, we got these jumps out of the soda. Oh, you know what I'm saying? And so, uh, he, he kept going. And by the time I got out of prison and got settled and stuff like that, he was, um, doing this thing. He hadn't, he hadn't blew up yet. You know what I'm saying? He just was just growing and growing and growing. He just, just kind of like he got a fight. He just kind of, kind of like how he fight. He just got stronger and stronger and, um, and then I, then I met him of course. And, you know, I was like, you know, I'm such, such cousin. We built the rapport from there. You know what I'm saying? And, uh, and you know, it was just, that was just a, it was just a rapport from there. And, you know, rest history. Yeah, the rest history. What about, uh, what's the dairy? Yeah, that's your boy too. That's my, that's my guy. Uh, him and his brother Maurice, they got a phenomenal thing. They doing, Derek is actually, we actually have a fighting style here. Wow. And Derek is a, is, is the teacher of that. He knows. He's the, he's the sensei. He's not just a trainer. He's a teacher. And he helps, uh, the mother, them twin boys down there too. He helps Jamil. Jamil, he's Jamil's coach and trainer and teacher. Um, he's completely reformatted. Fighting style. Um, uh, but Jamil Charleau, he got a new one, uh, new kid, Frank Martin, who's going to be a beast as well. And, uh, he's, he's already been a fight, one of the most dangerous possible fights that he could when he's fighting Michelle Rivera in, I think, December the 17th. So, you know, Derek got two unified champions, one undisputed champion in Jamil Charleau, which he don't get enough credit because he actually got that completely out of the mood. Wow. And he got a unified three-bill champion in Earl Spence. And the only reason why Spence ain't undisputed is because he hasn't, uh, fought Crawford. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Crawford got the last piece of the puzzle. That was, when I said, Bo-Mec hit my line, that was his trainer in my life. Damn. You know what I'm saying? You got to tell me how you started, uh, fighting. That's what I was trying to figure out. Yeah. You got into the boxing. Just a social media aspect of it? Yeah. I want to know how you got into it, period. Check this out. Okay. And they go boxing down there. Were you fighting in your own prison? I had fights in prison. Bowling niggas down to the ground. I had fights in prison. No, but when you had fights in prison and you liked boxing, but at that point had you ever been in a ring? It's not in a ring. It's not in a ring. I'm talking professionally, but I'm talking professionally or amateur or any of that type. But he had a style down in penitentiary. It's called a penitentiary style. Yeah. Every unit got it. But how I got into the boxing. The boxing was, uh, how I got into it was, uh, like, like I told y'all, I was telling y'all about my partner, Greg. Right. So I wanted to, when I, when I came home, one of the things that was on my mind is that there is not, there was not a lot of representation for the South period. But the South period. And so I was like, man, I want to make sure that these dudes is getting seen. And then I found out about YouTube. And I seen that YouTube was kind of innovative as far as boxing. And this is years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, uh, and so I wound up, uh, uh, just following the YouTube channels and I just went on there and was watching and stuff like that. But man, when I got on there, the racism was so hard because in boxing, it's so much tribalism. Yeah. You know, and like I said, everybody segregated, you know, you have, you know, it ain't just no Latino things like the Mexican support, the Dominican support, the Asian support, not even Asian, the Filipino support, Filipino, the Japanese, it's extreme tribalism in boxing. And so one of the things that I, I seen when I was trying to build this thing up as far as for the South, there was, there was a lot of black fans, but there was no black cohesion. Man, that's hard. It was no black cohesion. And so it was a, it was a dude on the internet at the time and his name is 7A Sports TV. Okay. And 7A Sports TV, which is my co-host on Trial Boxing Talk Down. Yeah, correct. I see that. Um, he was, uh, he had a round table called the L-D-B-C, the lines in boxing community. Yeah, yeah. Which is, and it, and it was, they was just talking about boxing and stuff like that and, and having round tables and stuff with different people and things like that. But the racism got super bad during the Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao situation. Yeah, yeah. It got like, when you leave a comment on the internet, people putting bananas and monkey faces behind you and all kinds. It was bad. You know, you can't, if you said you like the black fighter, they would put now kind of racial, racial in your windows or racist comments or behind you. And so one of, at the time, it was a black content creator that did boxing as well. And, he had a big, it was, he had a big platform. And so, um, and I- But he wasn't in the south, he was somewhere else. Yeah, he was somewhere else, but he, but he, a lot of people know him. Okay. And so, some, some one of the racist left a comment on my, behind my post on one of his things about me possibly liking Gary Russell Jr. And I let the racist have it. But, on YouTube, a lot of these dudes just want people to follow them. Yeah. They just want people to subscribe to them and stuff like that. And so he kind of, I ain't gonna say he guerrilla to me, but he kind of like, hey man, you know, don't worry about them saying all this stuff. You know, you shouldn't, he didn't say nothing to the racist. He said something to me. And so, black fight fan was because in a lot of these dudes, they, in boxing, especially black dudes, they want to promote unbiasedness. But racist people, a lot of these, not other, they ain't gonna say racist people, all these non-black people, they don't give a damn about being fair, biased or not. Canelo will get on there and say, I'm picking him because he the Mexican. You know, I'm picking, Manny Pacquiao say, I'm picking him because he Filipino. They're for their race. They're for their unapologetically. Right. They're for their race. The only people that- But you have black folks who was for their race too. But that wasn't like that back then. Okay. When George Floyd died, black people just woke up when, when, when Dr. Umar came out, you know, talking this stuff, black people been sleep. So back then, there was a, they was doing what they do, majority. Oh man, you know, we fair, we ain't on that, you know, all that old type of stuff. And so, that enraged me so much that black fight fan was born. It wasn't about no money. It wasn't about like, you know, it wasn't about, it wasn't about no money. It wasn't about no YouTube. It wasn't about nothing. It was just, I'm going to create a black place for black fight fans to come together and- And don't have to deal with all of that. And don't have to deal with none of that stuff. And around that, around that time, 7A Sports TV, he had a bigger platform than me. I didn't, I wasn't that big. I just was just getting started. And he created, he took the LDBC and he, and he was tired of the racism as well. And so he created, he said, well I'm tired of all the racism. I'm going to create a group called it. I mean, I'm going to, if you're in the LDBC, if you want to not talk about boxing and not worry about people being racist towards you or hate-filled towards you and you want a place to talk about boxing, hashtag LDBC after all your videos. And so, that's what we did. Wow. And so, I came in, one of the brothers bought me in to the LDBC. And I, I hashtag LDBC, but my channel, Black Fight Fan, my name, because it was called it before Trill Boxing Talk, was all based on rage. Rage in response to racism. You know, they had to sit me down. I had close to 5, 6,000 subscribers. And they had to sit me down to tell me to monetize my channel. I was just going off a pure 5, 6,000 subs. I didn't give a damn about no money, nothing. I was just smashing racist. Smashing racist. Smashing, you know, making, you know, that's what it was about and promoting Black Fighters. Because when we first started doing this, they would use terms and say things like Black Fighters don't sell. They ain't got no support. They ain't got no fans. But ever since we've organized and collectivized, when these dudes sit down at the negotiation table, that's no longer a thing. Because if you come in my life, you come in my life on Monday through Friday, you can see 13,000 people. Yeah, you got them in there every time. You already know people that's Black and they dropping money. And it's a statement every time I come on. But that didn't exist before. Do you have a lot of people who come on your show or come follow your platform who is not Black? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I do. I do. I have, of course, I have Mexican support particularly here. I have a lot of Mexican support here. Just dudes that just ride with D-Town. Just ride with Dallas. Just Texas dude, you know what I'm saying? But it's other dudes like we got a couple guys that are from different places. But my non-Black support is typically going to come from Texas, Mexicans. You know what I'm saying? I want to ask you about if that fight ever going to happen between them, you know, you told me something, it didn't happen the way you told me. What you talking about? You told me Earl Spenson at Crawford fight was going to happen, but you didn't tell me the truth. I mean, what happened? I mean, what is this thing ever going to happen to you? I want Earl to walk away from the situation. Really? Yeah, because I mean, listen, I'm going to tell you how some Crawford's people, they came to me and said, because Earl already had momentum before Crawford, you know. And they said, man, let's get some popcorn popping. These are the terms that you let's get some popcorn popping. Let's build this fight because the fight wasn't that big, but in order for it to create a back and forth on the Internet, get people talking about it and stuff like that. And so, that's what we did. That's what we've been doing for the past three, four years. Everybody want to see that fight? That's what we've been doing, you know. And so, when we get to the point to where the fight is ready where Earl Dunn did what he said he was going to do, which is get three of the titles and Crawford got his one bill. They sit down and they have negotiations and stuff like that. And Crawford, he makes a call and says that he wants to, he, I'll give me some money to fight this other dude. He asked for it. So, he pulls out of the negotiation. Wow. He pulled out of the negotiation. Earl Spence was all in on that fight. He was all in. He wanted, he wanted the, I mean, he was all in. He didn't have no plan B. Why do you think he pulled out? Crawford? Mm-hmm. I don't know. He went ready. You don't think he went ready? Up until recently, I don't think Crawford really wanted to fight Earl. I used to think that he wanted it, but when he did that, I think he's scared. I do. I do. I didn't think that at first. I didn't think that it was at first. I thought he was extremely confident, but when he pulled that move, when Earl sent him to contract, he held it for two weeks and then popped up with another fight and Earl ain't even got an opponent. Like right now, Earl Spence was scrambling to get an opponent. Right. You know, so he can make, hit that lick with all the time for him. You know what I'm saying? It was a manipulation. But he was waiting on Crawford. They've been negotiating since Earl fought August and April. Right. Two weeks after Earl said that on the deal, he had his people on Crawford. That's crazy, man. I mean, so what's next for Earl? Did you say? I mean, I would say, I don't want to say, but I would say Keith Thurman, which in all honesty, may be a bigger fight than Crawford. Why you say that? Because Keith Thurman is more popular than Crawford. He's a bigger name than Crawford. He don't have the bill, but he's a bigger name than Crawford. Then I see y'all over the, what's that boy named? I missed his name up last time, and Cece tried to get on me. Are Deontay Wilder? Deontay Wilder. Yeah, we was with Wilder. Yeah, what's up with that? Y'all hanging out with Deontay. He ain't been on boss talk yet. He's supposed to be pro black and all these black, and we black as hell over here. I'm trying to figure out when this nigga's gonna pull up. I got the whole family over here. I'm gonna flash this back. I got Cece over. I showed you love. Now I got black over here. Look, nigga. We got to fly you in. We will. Wilder. Wilder. I like him. Wilder's a great man, man. I love Wilder. We went me and Cece, and we went and seven, eight. We all went out to his house. Hard. Out there for, me and Cece spent about three or four days out there. Tuscaloosa, Alabama, beautiful. But we love Wilder. I mean, that's just, Wilder is one of the people that we actually, one of the people we actually, like in, that we can say that we, we was from the ground up with to where people were saying he didn't have no fans and to where now he's, he's a lot, man. He's up. So when I go through there I can go and stop through there and interview him? Yeah, you can. Yeah, cause I'm definitely going through that. Your pop up. I'm gonna go through that in his city. I'm gonna pull up on this. You say the key word, you say black or Cece or seven, seven, eight. Seven, eight, man. I need to interview him too. Yeah, he's gonna pull up on you. He's gonna pull up on you. Yeah, Wilder's a good, he loves his people. That's hard. That's what my brother told me. He loves his people and he supported his people. Wow. Yeah. That's hard, man. So, and I was told by, I was told last time he made, he's getting back into it and everything. Oh, he already came back. You didn't see that? I didn't see that. He had a fight? He had a fight? Did he have a fight? It was something like a fight. That's probably why it wasn't it wasn't no competition. I ain't watching nothing, but the big one. He broke a record with the least amount of punches. One minute? The least amount of punches thrown in the boxing match. For real? He had to do it one time. He put him to sleep, put him in a, sent him in a convulsion and he was out. I gotta get up on him more, man, because my brother, he tell me about all this stuff and I'd be so caught up into what I'm doing. Yeah. I'd be missing stuff just like you just said or anything like you. I just block everything out. Yeah, yeah. He working. Yeah, yeah. But I still, that's my people though. I try to hit every avenue. That's what boss talk is about. I can talk to anybody at any time about anything. Wild is a man though, man. You know, I love Earl in him, but you know, Wilder is a heavyweight. Yeah, yeah. So he, you know, Wilder, he do numbers. Big numbers. Big numbers. Big numbers. Yeah. So I'm just glad that y'all, you know, y'all linked like y'all did and that y'all so impressive in his career that he rocked with y'all like that. That's hard, man. And the community you built, you know what I mean? I knew it was a reason behind it. I seen all the hoopla I would look at it. I'm like, dang. Everybody rocking with a man that's on here. They throwing out what they call it when they give you a, I think you gave her a. Super chat. Super chat. Yeah. Yeah. You forgot about that. I forgot about it. Yeah. We did a street boy. I think he was first. That was my first. He never had nothing. Jane got nothing. I'm on that. Throwing all of these different videos up. And we jump on the live and she excited. I got me one. I think that one would. Super chat. I said, aw, that was on your birthday. Yeah. She always was. Man, that's hard. Thank you so much, man. Thank God. I don't think she got another one seeing. Well, you know, that's a, that's a, that's a chain reaction. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Your people. Yeah. I got a couple that day. That couple that day. Yeah. You gotta start that chain. You know what I'm saying? So, let me, just tell me how did you even build up to understanding because that's some of the stuff that we, we, we face a challenge. Yeah. You face an understanding like, how do you even go into that even part? We don't even deal with that. We don't go live very often. I don't be going live like that. You go live every day? Yeah, I go live. I don't, but I don't drop, but I don't drop videos like I should. I should drop, I should drop more, more like, like y'all be doing. I should drop more videos like that, but I don't, because I don't have time. Yeah, it's either or exactly doing, but I'm like, how can we master both? Is it? Well, y'all can do both because y'all, y'all, y'all gotta, y'all be, but me, I just, me, I just, I have so much going on. I have so much. I mean, I'm going to be honest with you. It's beautiful to be able to give an hour and a half a day to this shit and leave. Wow. You know what I'm saying? I'm just, because I've seen, because I've been doing this so long, I've seen dudes go crazy. You know, I've seen people lose their mind, you know, into this. Trying to figure it out. Not just trying to figure it out, but trying to appease other people. Yeah. And it's not about that. It's about, like I said, when I started doing this, you know what I'm saying? I just, it was literally my emotions drove me. Yeah. You know, and so now it's just like, okay, I want to make sure I got time for my kids, like one of my daughters in volleyball, one of my daughters in competitive cheer, you know what I'm saying? I got a woman and stuff like that, that like, like to lay up under me and take care of me and all that type of stuff. So man, I don't. Got you a good woman. Yeah. A great woman. A great woman. Yeah. So you know, I don't, I have to allocate my time, you know, I have to allocate my time, go to the gym and all that. I have to have those things. I'm going to go into that a little bit, but are you still alive? No. Okay. Not at all. All right. So when you and Cece met, you were her manager, right? No, no, I didn't meet as her manager. I'm just checking to see what fell in there first. Was it relationship first then management afterwards? No, business partners at first, wasn't it? No, I just got to see by, Cece tells her story better than I can. Okay. Go ahead, tell me your story. I just reached out to Cece because I've seen her and I thought she was talented. Right. I've seen Cece on, she was doing something with Rick Ross, freeway Rick Ross. Cece is us, you could still say she's Rick Ross manager. You know what I'm saying? She was freeway Rick Ross manager for a long time. And she was just moving around and Cece is very militant, very militant, very organized, very structured. And I was looking at her and I was like, you know, this sister, and then I heard her backstory. I heard her backstory and I was like, wow, that's dope. So I reached out to her and I was like, hey sister, you know what I'm saying? And Cece, you know, she hit me back and we started talking and interacting and I had another show that we were doing called Trill. Trill, it was Trill in the morning at the time. But because we was about to go through the pandemic and all that, I knew stuff was going to sit down. I said, hey sister, I got an idea and I want to bring a woman in, excuse me, bring a woman in to, because it was just me and 7-8 at first. And so she was like, she was like, all right, you know what I'm saying? And so we did it and we just grew from there. And after a year of us just kind of working together and stuff like that, it just kind of turned into... She got it. She got it. She wooed him in. Got that nigga after about a year. I got that nigga locked in the van right quick. No, man. I mean, it's a beautiful thing, man, where you can find somebody that you can even talk to, man, in this world we live in. It's tough trying to figure out and find companionship. That's one thing when I think of God I think about companionship. So it's a great thing, actually, but to even be able to work and do the same thing. You guys, great chemistry when I watch you guys together, you know, talking to different people, going back with different situations, subjects on boxing. You know, you don't see a woman even be able to interact like that about that. So that's hard. But I mean, I mean, even with you and your wife, I hope a lot of women learn from these sisters. Yeah. Because it's very important that you find somebody that you can... Y'all don't have to agree with everything, but y'all should be able to at least have a dialogue. You know, when you can have a dialogue it can manifest into so many great things. I love boss talk one on one. Boss talk one on one. You know what I'm saying? Being able to have a dialogue with your significant other is powerful. And a lot of people don't even share that. You've seen in a pandemic where people was forced to go home and look at they make. Yeah. And where all the material stuff didn't mean you can't show everybody your big house and cry your calls and stuff like that. It's just you and her. And a lot of people got a divorce and got separated and got split up. And during that situation just because they had to look at each other and they couldn't have a dialogue. Yeah. My base is built around God so I went straight back to what I know. Exactly. Building the foundation and making sure that that right there is the center and forefront for the family. And it just got a little more intense to be honest with you. Right. And that's what caused this thing. And you saw that. You saw that. I mean, we're talking about the negative, but we've seen this based on that they had a spiritual sitting. Those people built businesses together. That's right. They didn't go back to work out there. They had their own situation going. Situation going. That's real. Because a lot of people realized that once they were forced to be with each other and interact and figure out how to make this work that it realized that you know what, I think we can do better doing this together rather than I'm working over here you're working over here and we have no time for each other. You find the time, but then you still put work in it. Right. Right. Is it Devin Haney? Yeah. How's he doing? Devin is great. That's a young king right there. He's a boss. He's the undisputed lightweight champion of the world. I mean, he got all the bills. Tank ain't got no bill. What about the other kid? Ain't no, Javante that he ain't got no bill. Yeah, but then your boy told me what is that? Two years ago, almost a year and a half away that Austin got hit. Oh, kid Austin. Is he doing good? Yeah, he did. Kid Austin did a deal with Golden Boy. Okay. We talked to him. He was on the show a few weeks back. Okay. But Devin Haney is the undisputed. Undisputed. He's got every built known to man. Wow. Ain't nobody else. Ain't no, he's the king. Whenever boxing and stuff getting ready to come on, we gonna bring him on him. Let him talk about the fight before it happened. Well, I can just like CCD and get him down there. And get him to come over and talk about the fight. I gotta do the call CCD and ask what she, I can't do what she did, but I can go on. What are you doing, man? Thank you, man. So how can people get old to you, man, if they're trying to link up with you, man? Like just to, you know, just to try to follow you and subscribe to your channel, trying to support what you do for all of the, you know, the culture that you've built in boxing. You're good. On YouTube, I'm at Trill Boxing Talk. Okay. And on Instagram, you can follow me at Black Fight Fan. Black Fight Fan. Okay. And that's my YouTube, I mean, excuse me, Instagram. And that's it, man. I just on Instagram and YouTube. That's it. I want you to get Derek over here for me. And I need to get Earl Smith Jr. over here eventually. I know that he linked up. They know you. So if I don't get him, I got you. They in trouble now. I got them in machine. I'll call Derek. I'll call him. Derek will come. I really never just never got to reach out to him. You should. Derek is a true Oak Cliff dude. Yeah. He is. He's the pride of Oak Cliff. Man. He's the pride of Oak Cliff. Well, I thought you was the pride of Oak Cliff. No. I don't, I don't take pride in it. Derek is the pride of Oak Cliff. He got, he got a clothing line. Oak Cliff. He is, he is, he is that. I want to ask about that style of boxing that he teaches. I need, I need to talk to him about that. Was this a boxing himself? Wow. He was a boxing himself and he, and he had a winning record. Wow. He just didn't get the notoriety that he should have. That he should have. Yeah, that he should have got. That's all right, but he definitely, God, sometimes you might not do it in a way that you felt like you was going to do, but you still fulfill and live your dream. Right. It may not come in what you think that it's going to be, but it still ends up evolving into something that you could have never expected. Right. So that's the hard part of boxing. Yeah, I hit you with a little dope love. I take it, I take it. Thank you so much, man. We love you, bro. Thank you. Like I said, did I do you justice? I hope I did you justice. I got to get you back anytime there's a big fight going on. Anytime I'm going on with sports, I'm going to be calling you saying, hey, I'm boxing, boxing. That's the sport. So I'm going to call you when there's a big fight going on, no matter where. I know you, I'm going to be calling you and going to support ballstop. Whoa. You heard that? I heard it. Write it down. We got to record it. OK, OK. And you can see it, man, and you can see it, man. Look, man, I don't even do interviews. No, beautiful. OK, unless you like, I've done interviews with people from my group, from the boxing. Yeah, but you usually don't come out. I don't, I don't do interviews. You heard what I told you that day when I called you. You know that. I don't do normal things. to me and say I need to get you on this show. You know, I don't talk to nobody, man. I like, I like, this time I'm with my kids and you know, we chilling, we laid up and chilling, man. Man, just thank you for coming on the show and keep us in your prayer. Me and my wife and my family, man. And I'll do the same for you. And again, man, I'm so proud of y'all, man. Thank you, man. So proud of y'all. Don't stop. Man, we're gonna definitely call you if we need to borrow some money or all that good stuff. Shit, I'm gonna call you. And you. Shit. Check it, man. Hey, man. Say, man. It's been another great day. When the boss talk one-on-one, when the boss is talk. And we out.