 Okay, well good morning and welcome to our 11am public portion of the closed delitigation session of the November 26 2019 meeting of the Santa Cruz City Council and this part of the meeting the council will receive public testimony thereafter the council members will move to the courtyard conference room for our closed session. I'd like to ask our clerk to please call the roll. Thank you Mayor. Councilmember Crone. Here. Clever. Here. Mayor. Here. Brown. Here. Matthews. Vice Mayor Cummings. Here. Mayor Watkins. Here. Are there any members of the public who would like to speak to us on our closed session agenda? Okay. Why don't you please come forward and you'll have up to two minutes. Are you not here? The person who raised their hand. Are you here to speak about closed session? Yeah. Yeah, please. Yeah, you'll have up to two minutes. Right. Okay, please come forward. Good morning Mayor Watkins, members of the Santa Cruz City Council and staff. My name is Kirk DeChico and together with my wife we own the 7-Eleven store on the corner of Ocean and Broadway. I submitted a claim about 45 days ago because of the fire hydrant that burst on the corner. It's the fourth time in five years that we've owned that store that this has happened. Last year it caused a bodily injury to someone when it projected and hit one of my guests. This time it's caused financial burden in that the city closed two of the parking entrances down for two days. Broadway was open but since the ADA that we had to conform we've lost two parking spaces. That entrance is not used very often. I worked with Angela and filled out and submitted lost sales for the two days. The third day went on when they started to concrete. If you've driven by it recently you'll see the undulation and the sinkholes and they just keep getting deeper and deeper. The fire hydrant broke down two feet below the surface and water ran for two hours and I'm sure there's other claimants down ocean. But anyway so I submitted and then I received a letter yesterday short noticing I needed to come and present my case. So I'm sure you're all armed with the financials that I presented last year's sales, customer counts sales that were off this year and happy to answer any questions you might have of me. I did not hire an attorney I you know just didn't think that I wanted to add that to the claim it's just what that what information I could come up with but happy to thank you. Thank you. Are there any other members of the community who would like to address the council on closed session please come forward. Yes I would just take another two minutes to explain further more. If you ever travel on Broadway and ocean at that 7-eleven store we start out with 7 parking space. People who shop at 7-eleven is an impulse shopper. As they travel that ocean they cannot take the right turn into the store they will just skip it and keep going. We will lose that chance the only chance that we have with that little parking lot. After bleeding with the city they open the little side on the Broadway but even with that get in and get out of the parking lot of that corner is really a hassle. So we thought many we thought over and over do want to address this for a few thousand bucks but it is the four time that thing has burst. It's become a hazard and I'm not sure if the city will ever look into it. I know we need to have a team in case of fire but maybe another safer spot for the spotter to be. Thank you very much for listening. Thank you. Morning. I'm speaking on closed session item real property negotiations. Jilda's restaurant down on the Santa Cruz Municipal Wharf. My name is Dino Stagnaro and I am the president of the corporation. First off I'd like to express my appreciation for the long-term working relationship the city has had with the Stagnaro family for over a hundred years now. As you discuss and provide direction to the economic development department regarding the future of Jilda's restaurant it is my hope that the city and council recognize the values that Jilda's contributes to the hardened soul of the wharf and a community of Santa Cruz. Over the years we have had a successful partnership with the city in building and maintaining the various structures which have housed our businesses. In fact the current buildings which house Riva Fish House, Firefish, Woody's Cafe and Jilda's were all funded by the C. Stagnaro family corporation. Jilda's has been an iconic and historical family-run business for nearly 50 years. Personally I've worked there for the last 47 years. Unfortunately with no fifth generation to carry on our business me and my brother have decided not to renew our lease. We plan to retire. I've been working with Cabrillo College Small Business Development Center, the Community Foundation and the Economic Development Department to try and see if there was a way we can form a co-op or something with the employees that are remaining there but none of them seem to be interested. I am asking council to provide direction to the Economic Development Department to assist with the sale of Jilda's by approving a long-term lease that would be a beneficial to a buyer. Your time is up but you're welcome to leave the documents with our city clerk here and we'll go ahead and have those in closed session. Thank you very much. Were you here to speak to closed sessions? I'm just going to read a statement. I have a claim against the police department here. I've asked Angela to provide the statement to the council and have further testimony on Facebook. My name is Dr. Kenyon T. Blomquist. I'm the director of Neuroscience at Semmel Institute for Neuroscience at UCLA Medicine. I'm a businessman and a statesman. I was the target of an attempted murder by police officers, the district attorney of San Diego and a family in Fallbrook, California. I'm here today to indict the following people, indict at least meaning to put thoughts into speech. Officer Garrett Baldy, SCPD Badge 441 for harassment, intimidation, invasion of privacy and conspiracy to perpetuate a hate crime and filing a false police report. Summer Sanders, the San Diego district attorney, six officers of the San Diego Sheriff's Department, unnamed officers of the San Diego County Correctional Staff, Sarah Becroft, Robert Becroft, Linda Becroft for intimidation, assault, filing a false police report, false imprisonment, conspiracy to commit murder, attempted murder, aggravated during the commission of a hate crime, illegal possession of firearms, aggravated during the commission of conspiracy to commit murder, coercion, grand larceny, gross bodily injury, obstruction of justice, torture. And I'd also like to indict Donald John Trump for inciting a hate crime perpetrated by the above parties against me in the 49th congressional district and genocide as a general application of my case to the population of the United States. I was charged because of my race and identity. My entire personal and familiar history was stolen for personal gain or destroyed. I was expected to die as one of my assailants testified in court. The eradication of personal and familiar histories in a prejudicial manner with the expectation that parties will die or be unable to recover constitutes a crime of genocide. Officer Garibaldi made vulgar reference to this crime, which I'd remain silent about out of fear and murder by defacing my homeless services ID in direct reference to the injury sustained during the murder attempt perpetrated by police officers against me. And it sounds like your time is up. You have my side. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Okay, seeing no other members of the community who want to address us at closed session, we'll go ahead and adjourn to the closed session. I think City Attorney Condado might have an announcement. Oh, did you have an announcement? Yes, we've received a request from Risk Manager Patty Heyman or rather from Water Department Director Rosemary Menard through Risk Manager Patty Heyman to remove the David Bruce Press claim from the agenda, which would really apply to the open session. But we will not be discussing that claim in closed session today. And we don't need to take any action at this time, other than that was just an announcement. Okay. No. Thank you very much. Okay, we'll go ahead and adjourn to closed session. Okay. All right. Well, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to our 12 now a little after 12 p.m. session for the November 26 2019 Santa Cruz City Council. I'd like to ask our clerk to please call the roll. Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Krohn. Here. Lever. Here. Myers. Here. Brown. Here. Matthews. Here. Vice Mayor Cummings. Here. Mayor Watkins. Here. And if our clerk could please lead us in the pledge of allegiance. We'll move right along to the introduction of new city employees. And let's go ahead and start with our planning director Lee Butler to introduce his new employee. Good afternoon, Mayor and Council Members. I've got two new employees to introduce today. I will start on my left with Breonna Sherman. She recently joined our team as an associate planner one. She moved here from Bozeman, Montana and says she is happy to have left the snowy winters behind. She graduated from Appalachian State University in North Carolina and has over three years of planning experience in the public and private sectors. She has two bachelor of science degrees in community planning and geography and geographic information systems certificate and a minor in sociology. Upon graduation, she worked as a GIS specialist for a local nonprofit enhancing Appalachian communities and she moved to Bozeman in search of a GIS field program where she ended up working with the U.S. Forest Service's Wilderness Trails program. Working to protect and preserve public land sparked her desire to make a difference in shaping the built landscape so she joined the community development department in Montana's fastest growing county, Gallatin County, where she was a planner for the past two years doing development review. She enjoys creatively working to solve problems and is happy to be back here. She is a Northern California native and she plans to spend her free time backpacking, biking and hiking. So please join me in welcoming Brianna. I write Alison Webster recently joined the city as an administrative assistant to she says that she loves all things art, colors, layout, architecture, crafting, you name it. She tries to bring art into every area of her life, thinking it can be found in almost anything. She's a Santa Cruz native born and raised and graduated from Harbor High School and then moved to San Diego and Pasadena to further her education, specifically focusing on print design. She realized being away from Santa Cruz was not all that it was cracked up to be. It's not, is it? And she moved back here in 2012 and joined the place where she had her first job as a teenager with San Lorenzo Lumber and was working there since 2012, most recently as an administrative assistant in the River Street store. She is she says she's got a very inquisitive mind loves learning all types of new things and she's obsessed with her cat. And she says that Maya Angelou quote sums up her point of view on life which is people will forget what you said people will forget what you did but people will never forget how you made them feel. So please join me in welcoming Alison Webster. Welcome to the city or welcome back. All right. So we'll go ahead and invite up now Tony Elliott to introduce his new employees in our parks and rec department. Realize I was walking really fast. I'm glad you're glad you're here. Good afternoon, Mayor and City Council for the record Tony Elliott Parks and Recreation. It's my pleasure to introduce Brian McNulty. Brian is a park maintenance worker who works in the east zone with Mike Godsey who's back in the audience here. Brian has been with Parks and Recreation as a temp employee for about two years and recently moved into a full time position. Brian grew up going to city parks. He really grew up in this in Santa Cruz County and grew up experiencing parks and going to city parks. So it's really kind of his background and passion from a young age. Brian got his degree in computer science from Chico State and worked in high tech for a number of years. But he realized after high tech that his true calling, his passion, beliefs and love are in Parks and Recreation. So we're very fortunate to have Brian within Santa Cruz Parks and Rec. A couple other things. So Brian, yeah, before this job worked in tech, worked various jobs in property management and grounds maintenance. He enjoys hiking, running, weights, gardening, reading and outdoors in general. He and his wife recently visited Zion and Bryce National Parks in Utah. So we're again, we're very happy to have Brian as part of the team. So please help me in welcoming Brian. Welcome Brian. And then last but certainly certainly not least we'll go ahead and invite up Chris Schneider from Public Works to introduce his new employees. Good afternoon, Mayor, City Council, Chris Schneider, Assistant Director of Public Works. We have two new city employees, Public Works employees. First is Micah McManus is a solid waste worker. And Micah was born and raised in Santa Cruz, third generation Santa Cruz, and he's married with two children and a bulldog. And previous experience, he's worked for Costco in facilities, as well as a number of other jobs delivery primarily. He lives in Santa Cruz Mountains, loves being there, loves hiking, riding West Cliff and riding his quads on his property. So please welcome Micah. Then Joanna Edmonds. Joanna, we stole her from the Regional Transportation Commission. She's the transportation coordinator filling an existing position. She's been a Santa Cruz resident for about 20 years. She's married with a three year old daughter. Like I said, she worked for the RTC and before that she worked for the University, all in transportation. So we're happy to have her with all her experience and transportation. She graduated from UCSC. She loves to garden, cycle, the outdoors. She's excited about working on the new Go Santa Cruz program with the downtown merchants and employees on improving, you know, ride sharing in TDM in the downtown area. So please welcome Joanna. Welcome to all the new city employees. We're glad to have you as part of our team. So before we move on to our regular agenda, we have a few presentations and a proclamation. So I'd start with inviting up some of our friends from our sister cities committee to share our experience in Shikyo. Please come forward. We have Andrea. Thank you, Mayor. Greetings, Council. I'm Andrea Rosenfeld and I am on the sister cities committee as well as the co-chair of the Shingu subcommittee. And thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today about the mayoral delegation to our sister city, Shingu Japan. 2019 marked the 45th anniversary of the sister city relationship between Santa Cruz and Shingu. To honor this relationship, an invited delegation of city government officials, sister city members and community members, led by Martin Watkins and myself, visited Shingu in October of this year. Here's the delegation at Nachi Falls, Japan's highest waterfall in a very sacred area. The Wakayama region, where Shingu is located, has many sacred temples and shrines, and includes a pilgrimage trail called the Kumano Kodo. The area was designated as a UNESCO World Heritage Site 15 years ago. Our hosts showed us around the beautiful and interesting region. We visited many of the shrines and temples in the area. Here are delegates purifying before entering the Hayatama Grand Shrine, which is located in Shingu. We experienced blessings and rituals at the shrines. Here we are with the priests in front of a 1,000 year old tree planted by the then emperor. The tree is considered to be sacred with its tough leaves representing bonds that are difficult to break. We visited Mayor Taoka at City Hall, in addition to asking us how we were enjoying Shingu, he and members of the Shingu Sister Cities Committee presented Mayor Watkins with a gift honoring Tia, Salika, Adamic, a student delegate that visited Shingu in 2017, who tragically died in the boat fire, along with her family, best friend, and others, many of whom who had ties to Santa Cruz. The gift was a hanging sculpture made of over 5,800 paper cranes, which were lovingly made by members of the Sister City Committee and community in Shingu to honor Tia's family and the others who perished. This outpouring of sympathy and love by our friends in Shingu for the Santa Cruzans who perished in this tragic accident is really the best example of the beauty and depth of connection that exists between the two cities. We truly appreciated the sincere gift from our friends. The sculpture is currently being displayed at PCS, where Tia and Baranis went to school, and we hope to add an additional permanent display case at City Hall to house the sculpture and other artifacts that were given to us. We were invited to participate in an annual autumn festival parade that is celebrated by the entire community. On the left is part of the delegation with Mayor Taoka and our Mayor Watkins, and on the right were the rest of the delegates, including in white Linda Schnook, the current chair of the Sisters Cities Committee who I'd like to thank for her year of service this year that she's about to finish. But continue on our committee. We had fun learning a dance that symbolized a fruitful fall harvest from land and sea where we were thrilled to learn that the entire town hall participated doing the same dance. Here's the group of us who participated with friends from the Sister City Committee with Mayor Taoka on the left and the woman next to him being someone who helped get us dressed and teach us the dance. Here we are at the farewell party. Our delegation was shown overwhelming hospitality and sincere kindness and friendship. We were so appreciative that Mayor Watkins was able to take time from her busy schedule to participate this year. We hope more members of the city government as well as community members get involved in the Sister Cities program to experience the genuine friendships and connections we have created in Shingu. And you will all have an opportunity to celebrate the 45th anniversary of our Sister City friendship with Shingu as the mayor of Shingu is heading to Santa Cruz, heading a delegation sometime in October 2020. I encourage everyone to learn more about upcoming events for Shingu as well as our other Sister Cities by going to the website listed here. And there are also four days left for any City of Santa Cruz eight through 10th graders who are interested in applying to visit Shingu this spring. Applications are online. And I thank you very much for your time today. Thank you. Thank you, Andrea. And thank you, Linda and the committee for being here and for your commitment to our relationship with Shingu. Thank you also for not showing the video of the dancing. I appreciate that. That was an incredible summary of our experience and our longstanding relationship with that community. And so I look forward to reciprocating our relationship when the mayor and the delegation comes to Santa Cruz in 2020. Thank you so much. We'll move right along and welcome up Claire for our presentation on Go Santa Cruz TDM program. Good morning. Still morning. Yes, good morning, Mayor and Councils. I'm Claire Fleece-Lair, transportation planner for the city. And I'm here to just give a brief update on our Go Santa Cruz program. As you know, we launched on October 1st. And so this is just an early update on how it's going and to give you more information on the program. So our Go Santa Cruz program offers transportation options for our downtown workforce. The, this is a little different. There we go. The point of the program is to reduce the drive-alone rate of 50% in our downtown in line with our Climate Action Plan goals to offer transportation options for our employees in the downtown really by meeting people where they are and offering solutions that can work for all people, whether it be bus, transit, walking, carpooling, working remotely from time to time. And then finally to maximize our available parking resources, as you all know, part of this action was in response to our parking crunch in downtown. So offering a way for positive behavior change by our downtown workforce. So what does the program include? It's really changing how employees travel. It includes, can I yell from here? This is easier. So it includes transit passes, an annual transit pass available to all downtown employees that is available on all local transit service, not Highway 17, but all other local buses for unlimited rides over this period. It includes bike locker cards preloaded with $20 that you can use at all of the bike lockers in our downtown, offering a secure bike parking option should you choose to use your own bike to get downtown. It also offers jump benefits, and this is the first of its kind in the nation, a program that we've partnered with Jump On, $2 off per trip for 60 trips in a 90 day period. We also offer rewards, so if you log 10 carpool trips we'll give you $10 in downtown dollars, and if you log 25 alternative trips of any kind we'll also give you $10 in downtown dollars. We'll also have challenges going on throughout the year. Another important thing I want to call out here is that this is money generated from the downtown parking district via parking user fees that then we're using these downtown dollars as an incentive to keep that money in downtown. It's been a great partnership with the Downtown Association. We have special downtown dollars that have transportation images on them. And so how to get started, it's, we like to say, it's as easy as one, two, three. You sign up at the link on your screen. You can find all this information in the Go Santa Cruz page. You sign up at the link on your screen. You scroll down to the My Rewards section and select your options. And then someone from the Go Santa Cruz team, Joanna, who has just introduced her eye, will physically come and deliver your transportation benefits to you. The high touch nature of that means that we can answer anyone's questions as we do show up. We can do continued outreach at the businesses that we go to visit and can offer more information to other employees who might be interested. We've cracked 800 downtown employees signed up. That is 20% of our downtown workforce in under two months. This is huge. Far quicker adoption rate than we're anticipating and we're really excited about it. Of that, we have delivered 456 transit passes, 156 jump benefits, 93 bike link cards, and we've had 53 rewards claimed. For the program outlook, we have already reached over 125 unique businesses. Some have had almost all of their employees sign up. Some have had just a couple, but they are spread throughout our downtown workforce and we're tracking it over time. So where have we delivered benefits? Where have we done outreach? Where have we done lunch and learns? Where have we distributed information? Where have we cold called? Where have we done all of these things to visit? And so we're getting some great metrics from that. So we're really excited about the reach that we've seen and it includes all sectors of business that we've seen. It includes ground floor retail and restaurant, the whole spectrum, and it's been really interesting to physically go and visit, especially some of these upper floor businesses that you might not have known existed and it's been really nice to make those continued connections there. So finally, just in closing, you can find more information at citiesanacruz.com slash goSanacruz and if you have any questions, we also have an email address goSanacruz at citiesanacruz.com that goes to both Joanna and I and we're happy to do any continued outreach, show up, we've been offering to go to staff meetings, lunch and learns, other presentations to continue to get the word out and if you have any questions, I'm available but just wanted to give you guys a short update on how excited we are about the program. Wonderful. Well, congratulations and fantastic work. Thank you for sharing all of the successes as well as the opportunities to continue to engage and thank you for the update this afternoon. Thank you. All right. Okay. So I'd like to now invite up, I think Kayla Kumar is here from Food What and I have a proclamation that I'd like to present to the Food What team. So I'll just read a few of the where as is and thank you for your work and if you're welcome to say a few words if you'd like to as well. So in 2007, Food What was founded to support the well-being, liberation and empowerment of struggling yet resilient Santa Cruz County youth by creating meaningful opportunities for them to engage in relationships with land, food and each other. Fresh organic food is not available to low-income families within our community due to its high cost limited access and other barriers. Food What use youth use their power to access opportunities that lead to major diet change, critical job training, personal growth and more. Many youth share that through Food What, we find healing, inspiration and family. It is important for our city to celebrate inspiring and effective nonprofit organizations in our community and recognize such leadership as a contributor to our community. So it's my pleasure as mayor, Martine Watkins of the city of Santa Cruz to hereby proclaim November 26, 2019 as Food What Day in the city of Santa Cruz and I encourage all of our citizens to join me in congratulating Food What on its state and national recognition this year and expressing our heartfelt appreciation for its numerous contributions to our Santa Cruz community and our youth. So I have this proclamation. I'll go ahead and hand it down. And I'll just say, just having worked in other capacities with Food What, how much I appreciate the commitment, the mission, the purpose. I had an opportunity to have the mayor's breakfast be the nonprofit of the choosing for the financial contributions of that and just really want to thank you from the heartfelt thank you for all your work and for the youth that you serve. So I'll go ahead and hand it down and I know Councillor Myers may be ahead. Yeah, I just, working in the nonprofit sector for a long time myself and having many, many colleagues in it, I just have been so impressed with your work and for those watching Food What received an award this year as nonprofit of the year in Senator Bill Monning's district which I think is quite an honor, especially considering Senator Monning's history in supporting so many different communities throughout the Central Coast. And also they were recognized at the Eco Farm Conference this year at a Cilimar for their work as well and I believe they received the Justi's Award which is a national honor. And so I'm just pleased that we have such an amazing organization here. I took a tour of the farm and I would encourage everyone to get up there and check that out because it will ground you in all ways. So congratulations. Thank you all so much. I'm honored to accept this on behalf of Food What and just want to thank Mayor Watkins and Councilmember Meyers and all the rest of the council who has found a way to plug into the work one way or another. I also, I really want to honor alongside you all the youth, right? And so we've been honored with recognition for our work and our work is centered around youth, the youth power of Food What and when we come together like we have, we see that when youth are provided with the resources and opportunities and training that resonates with their dreams that they always choose to be well. You know, youth want to be well, youth want to thrive, youth want to contribute to the community. So I just really appreciate the way that we've come together around that point. And then as Mayor Watkins so graciously invited me to do, we have pies available at New Leaf. It's one of the youth's projects so they step into a leadership role at the very end of their year to create these really good pies. They still won't even tell me what's in them. It's magic. Thank you again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for being here. Gotta say, Food What? Wonderful. Okay, so we'll go ahead and now move right along into our general business portion of the meeting. Before we do, I have just a few announcements. So today's meeting is being broadcast live on Community Television Channel 25 as well as streaming on the city's website at cityofsanacruz.com. Our rules of decorum are on the window ledge to my left and it's my job to keep our meeting running without disruption. And we ask that you respect your fellow citizens while you are inside and outside of our council chambers. I'd like to go ahead and ask if there are any council members who have a statement of disqualification today. Okay, seeing none. I'll go ahead and see if our city clerk has any additions or deletions to our agenda. We do. Item number nine, the agenda was updated but it was removed by staff. Okay. All right. And then I have a brief announcement around oral communications. Oral communications is an opportunity for members of our community to speak to us on any item that is not on today's agenda. And it will occur at or around or as close as possible to 7 p.m. this evening. We'll go ahead and turn it over to our city attorney to report out on closed session. Thank you, Mayor Watkins, members of the city council. This afternoon's closed session convened in the courtyard conference room at a little after 11 a.m. Discussed in the closed session were item A, conference with legal council, liability claims. The claims of Kurt Allen Diciccio, California beer festival, Kenyon Thomas Blomquist and Deborah Brown. Item two under liability claims, the claim of David Bruce Press was removed from the agenda and there's also a request to remove it from your consent calendar when you vote on that this afternoon. It would be real property negotiations. The council received a report from and gave instructions to its negotiator on the following properties. 125 Coral Street, the property known as Jildus on the Wharf, 808 River Street, 744 River Street and a property without a Citus address designated as APN 008 17216 in the records of the Santa Cruz County Assessor, owners of the property, Richard L. and Tawny Santy, trustees of the Santy family trust. Lastly, item C was a performance evaluation involving the city attorney. There's no reportable action. Okay. Thank you. And I don't believe we have a city manager report today. Okay. So next on our agenda is the city council's calendar and that is to be revised as needed. Is there any revisions to the calendar at this time? No, there's not. Moving right along, we'll go ahead and move on to our consent agenda. And so first up on consent, our items five through 11 in our agenda packet, except for item number nine, which was removed by staff ahead of today's meetings. All items will be acted upon in one motion unless an item is pulled by a council member for further discussion. I'd like to see if any of my colleagues would like to pull an item. You're coming? Item number 10. Any others? Okay. Any comments on any of the items other than item 10? You see none. Is there any member of the community who would like to address the council on our consent agenda that is going to now exclude items nine and 10? So essentially six through 11 without 10 being included. Please come forward and you'll have up to two minutes. I did send my comments by email and the request is to pull the item eight regarding the covert project from the consent agenda so that it can be open to public comment. Item number eight is for a permanent drain pipe on the San Lorenzo Lagoon. And as far as I can tell, there is a permit for a project, a temporary pipeline, but not a permit for this project, a permanent pipeline. That is my question. I would also like to help the council a little bit about the seals at the lagoon. There's a poster behind you about the seals of the city of Santa Cruz and there are also marine mammal seals of Santa Cruz that are at this lagoon that should be protected during this project. Thank you. Are there any other members of the community who would like to address us on our consent agenda? Given the questions that were raised in regards to item number eight, I don't know if there's any staff who would like to speak to that at this time. Public work, is it? No, he's not here. Okay. Any questions on behalf of the council? In regards to the section? Councilwoman Mathews? I'll go ahead and make a motion to move the consent agenda, which consists of items five through eleven with the exception of item number nine and item number ten, and on item number six, item B. If I'm correct on that. I would like to remove item eight and probably maybe get a staff person to talk about that. Okay, you'd like to make the request. I'm concerned about that as well. Thanks. Okay. So we'll go ahead and pull eight and then have the remainder moved at this point. Okay, I'll go ahead and second the motion. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that passes unanimously. All right, do we want to start with item eight? Do you have a staff person who could speak? Chris is here, he can answer. Okay, great. I think basically the question was about whether this is temporary or permanent and has there been anything to keep in consideration the marine mammals that evidently live where this goes into is what the question from the public was. Sure. Christian Eiter, Assistant Director of Public Works. We are working with all the regulatory agencies, Fish and Wildlife, both California and federal, NOAA, Army Corps of Engineers. Anyway, a number of public agencies on this project. It is currently considered a permanent project and we're in the process of getting all the permits finalized, completing the design on the project. The intent is to be under construction next summer and it's got a lot of moving pieces that are taking a lot of time. Staff has met with the woman that came up to speak to you and answered her questions to the best of our ability. We believe that all the agencies are going to be considering the wildlife that's associated with the project. Thank you. I hope that answers. Is the person still here? Oh, yeah. Okay. I hope that gets to it. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Any further discussion? Any other members of the community wanting to address this on this item? Okay. Seeing none, we'll go ahead and return back for action. Councillor Mathews. I'll go ahead and move that item. Approval of number eight. And I'll just note for the public, we have been many years in the making and just in terms of environmental review, the staff report does explain that the agencies involved in review it include the Department of California Department of Fish and Wildlife, California Coastal Commission, State Regional Water Control Board, Army Corps of Engineers, NOAA National Marine Fisheries and the U.S. Department of Fish and Wildlife. And it's spectacular when you get that many different agencies headed in the same direction. Move the motion. Okay. I'll go ahead and second that. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. That passes unanimously. Okay. We'll go ahead and hand it over to Vice Mayor Cummings who pulled item number 10 in our consent agenda. So I just wanted to make sure in the recommendations that we're approving, yesterday it came to my attention that there was a discrepancy between the recommendation and then what was in the staff report around apprentice hiring and the recommendation. It states that there will be an exemption for apprentice employment requirements. However, in the report, it stated that the contract will maintain the requirements for apprentice hiring. And then earlier today, we received information from the Water Director, Rosemary Menard, that the apprentice employment would still be required and would not be exempt. And so I just wanted to make sure that that was clear in the motion that we are making today. Okay. And I see staff here. I don't know if you're interested in speaking to that or... No. That could be an error in the map changing the title. Okay. Thanks. Councilmember Cronin? Yeah, I had more of a question. Maybe it's for the city manager. I'm not sure. I see nothing here that takes into consideration the fact that we have a camp at 1220 River Street. Are we making amends? Are we going to move that camp? Will they be able to move back once this work is completed? What does it look like? Sure. I don't know if you can answer that. So we clearly recognize that the River Street camp will need to be relocated as a result of this, but that's not till March. And in the meantime, and you'll get more of an update on this in your item this evening, but we do have identified potential options for relocating the camp that are achievable. It'd just be a matter of coming back to council with the various options for you to consider and the Board of Supervisors. Because one of the things that we'd like to look at is not just simply relocating, but is there also an option to relocate and expand capacity at a relocated option or facility? But yes, we feel pretty confident that we have the ability to move it by the timeframe that is needed to do that. Last question for Rosemary Menard. How critical, as a March date, is that fixed or is there any flexibility to say that we found something but it wasn't going to be ready until a couple months, a month or two later? Thanks for that question. The reason that the schedule is what it is is that we need to do this project in the dry season. And in fact, when we started talking about doing this project, we got the design organized and actually made the conclusion that we couldn't get it underway in July or August this last, you know, 2019 because it's a eight or nine month construction window and it requires us to go through the wet season if we, God willing, will have a wet season, but it requires us to go through the wet season during the construction. The construction involves digging two very large pits, one on the west side that's going to be 70 feet deep and one on the east side that's going to be 50 feet deep and then drilling a microtunneling under the river with the connection. And doing that during the wet season is just really asking for lots more complications. So the schedule of starting in March is kind of, has the same effect basically of needing to get the construction underway so that we can finish it kind of by the November timeframe next year and that's really what's driving the schedule as well as the critical nature of this particular facility as I mentioned when our correspondents earlier that we've had a history of leaks. If it failed under the river, it's not repairable and it's very possible that it could fail under the river and really on many, many days during the year 100% of our water supply that is ultimately produced and delivered to our customers goes through this pipeline. So the timing is really being driven by trying to make sure we get it done in the drier part of the year rather than the wet part of the year. Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate it. I'm encouraged by what the city manager said that he is on it as far as, oh, our staff is finding a alternative location to that river street camp. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Myers and then Council Member Brown. Did you have a question? Just a quick follow-up question. Thank you for the explanation. Do you anticipate that this site might be available then after the work is done? Is there any need for the water department to continue to use it? Or would it be possible to? The plan is to restore it to its current condition, not just the site itself. Now, the one thing that we've been talking about that could potentially impact the availability of the site is, as you'll know from the public safety power shutdowns that we've had, that facility has a generator on site. And we probably need to move that generator out of the location it is because it was one of the sites where we had flooding in 2017. But we also need to install a larger tank for diesel fuel to run the generator during the power shutdowns if we're going to continue to experience those. So there's been some conversation about partly using part of that site, but there's nothing definite at this point. So that's the only other... I mean, we've used that site for years as a storage site for pipes and parts and things, but we don't have a long-term defined need. There have been some talk, but not anything permanent. So I guess just if I could make a comment in light of that response, I would hope that that site then would continue to be maintained as part of the discussion around emergency shelter given that we have ongoing, kind of consistently have had ongoing issues with identification of sites. So it's my hope that that'll be part of the mix once it's made available again. Yes. Thank you. Is there any member of the community who would like to address us on this item? Come forward, you'll have up to two minutes. Hey, let's see. Through the City Government Academy, I was given the opportunity to ask questions and learn about the Pipeline Placement Project. I understand and support our water department and its continued efforts to maintain and update our water infrastructure. At the same time, our community struggles as our citizens experiencing homelessness struggle to find solutions. And I do ask that this project is scheduled in a way that does not worsen the situation for most vulnerable, our most vulnerable and our community. So I offer for one of you to make a motion to require City staff with input from the catch before starting the Pipeline Replacement Project to find a suitable alternate location for the 1220 River Street Salvation Army Program and renew its contract, which ends March 31st as well. And to have this be separate from the efforts of renewing the VFW site program, which is an effort, unless it's going to have enough beds for both, which I would accept. So just saying that, yes, it's absolutely important and making that as a directive to possibly make more sites available if it actually was a directive to find that before it happened. Thanks. Any other members of the community wanting to address this on this item? Okay, seeing none, we'll go ahead and return back for Council. Members and then Vice Mayor Cummings. I was going to go ahead and move the item. So I'll make a motion to approve the plan, specs and contract documents for the Coast Pump Station Raw Water Pipeline Replacement Project, authorizing an exemption from local and apprentice from local. Yes. And authorized staff to advertise for bids and award the contract in a form to be approved by the city attorney. The city manager is hereby authorized and directed to execute the contract as authorized by Resolution Number NS-27563. I'll second that. Okay. So we have a motion by Council Member Meyers, seconded by Vice Mayor Cummings. Any further discussion? Council Member Cummings. Sure. We'll go ahead and have you make a comment, then we'll have it over to... I'll say with regards to the relocation of the homeless encampment there that I know that there's an item on tonight's agenda that we're going to do a lot of discussion around homelessness so I think that would be the appropriate time where we can discuss that coming back and I do want to make note that the city manager's office has made a strong statement towards trying to find alternative locations for that and the city's commitment to trying to be aware of the concerns around moving homeless people and making sure that this camp has an alternative place to go. So I just want to put that out there. Just probably to be consistent with our Robert's Rules of Order, it makes sense probably to reserve our conversation until the evening as it's not agendized on that topic. Okay, Councilor McCartney. Can we put that in the motion to the cities committed to finding alternative space when we displace 1220 River? As we mentioned, that's going to come tonight. I'm not going to take that. This is a different project right now. It is within the scope of this... This evening we're going to discuss the shelter update. I'm going to provide a shelter update and in the context of that discussion, I'm going to discuss the three items about increasing shelter capacity as you've directed, as well as an update on the River Street camp and next steps there as well. So I think there's going to be plenty of opportunity to discuss all these things and for you to provide direction and be easier just to do it all together and separately and honestly. My question is, are we committed to finding alternative space for 1220 or not? I just would like to hear that commitment and it would be great if it could fit within the motion. I'll go ahead. That is the topic that is on your evening agenda as well. So we'll reserve action and deliberation on that topic at that time, correct? It's not agendas under this item as well, correct? That's right. Okay, Council Member Glever and then Council Member Matthews. Thanks for not getting too much into detail whether I think what I'm picking up from Council Member Cron is that if we were to pass this now and give authorization for the project and then say later tonight not ensure there was a safe relocation for the people that are at the space, then it would put those people at Jeopardy and those spaces at Jeopardy. I don't think if we're talking about it in detail, it's more just saying in approval of this that since there is something already at that site that we are committed to making sure that that is sustainable moving through the project without getting into much detail about it. I don't know why there's so much resistance in us making a clear statement that we approve it but we want to make sure that the people there have a place to go without specifics but just that we are committed to doing that but just putting that out there. Council Member Matthews. This question obviously occurred to everybody and I did have a good talk with both the city manager and water director about the commitment they are aggressively working on alternatives and I'm confident we will find them. Yeah. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that passes unanimously. All right, thank you. All right. So that concludes our consent agenda and we'll go ahead now and move over to our general business item, item number 12 and we'll invite activity wise West. Good afternoon city council members and mayor, Tiffany wise West sustainability and climate action manager and I am so pleased to be here today to speak with you about the outcome of the six month endeavor on health and all policies. I know the mayor I think want to make some introductory remarks. Yes, please. Well, I just want to first all just I'm so pleased as well. I'm so impressed with the work product and truly grateful for the sub committee's time as well as the staff's time and the community's time and all of our consultants. It's really it's an exceptional result and it's been a really extraordinary journey to be a part of this. So just sort of in context I want to just sort of remind the council in the community that this was effort that was decided upon several months ago and this is what we have before us today is the final work work product of the planning team as well as the department head subcommittee input and if anybody who was here engaged in it and I see a few folks want to be acknowledged. I'll just sort of list a few. We have Shebra Kalantari Johnson who is our consultant. It's an extraordinary job. I had council member Matthews vice mayor Cummings as part of the subcommittee. We have Lee Butler who's here as well. Tony Elliott who was here earlier and Bonnie Lipscomb who's still here and Rosemary Minnar and Cheryl as well from finance. It was a wonderful team and just really incredible work product. So I'll kick it over to Tiffany and just before I do I'll briefly just remind folks about kind of just overall purpose and context of what health and all policies is. And here comes Ian as I speak. This is Ian who works with Tiffany in the city manager's office and did a really incredible job on the whole process as somebody who attended a lot of the listening sessions with me but also a lot of the research and work product that we have before us today. So one of the things that health and all policies really hinges on is the fact that no government body can really do this alone. And it's really looking at how we as an institution as well as our partners both public and private also all orient around health equity and sustainability in our decision making. And as we go through the presentation as Tiffany goes through the presentation we'll sort of reorient around the three pillars of what health and all policies is really looking at the health equity lens, the public health lens and ultimately the sustainability lens. So with that I'll go ahead and hand it over to Tiffany for the rest of the presentation. So with that in mind you City Council that the purpose of the health and all policy subcommittee and the work plan that you adopted back in April was to develop a collaborative and collaborative and coordinated policy and process for internal and external reflection on equity public health sustainability and their use as factors in decision making that ultimately will result in an improved community well-being. And we've used this slide many times before and coming before you with the work planned, as well as at the study session and our most recent quarterly update. And it really just, this kind of circle emphasizes, collaboration, intersectoral collaboration, the co-benefits that can be had, most obvious to me between public health and climate adaptation. And the importance of engaging stakeholders and creating processes and policies that really incite structural change. Before we get into what our work product includes and what the recommendations from the subcommittee are, I just wanted to have two other slides. One that really documents the broader support of health and all policies. As we mentioned to you in our quarterly update, Governor Newsome has allocated three cabinet level positions in the state government in order to prioritize health and all policies. Also, the Santa Cruz County Health Services Agency has indicated their support and commitment to facilitating and convening around health and all policies issues. And through the work we are doing, Watsonville has taken notice and they also are considering adopting health and all policies. If I could briefly just interject, and we have my friend and our wonderful Watsonville Mayor here, Apoco Estrada as well, so welcome and thank you for being here. Yeah, definitely and on that note, just this work we've been doing over the past six months has really allowed us to collaborate and identify partners in this work and we're really seeing some momentum in this space. Also, there is a new study that just came out and this speaks to a question that Council Member Crohn had asked me some time ago on the efficacy of the use of health and all policies in having more positive community well-being outcomes. This study just came out last month as a matter of fact and it examines three communities who've been pursuing health and all policies long enough to achieve meaningful policies, systems and environmental change. What this study indicated is that communities can't achieve health and all policy and community well-being outcomes that they desire overnight. This convening collaboration, engaging and visioning requires an investment of time. But the communities in this article do illustrate that each step taken towards health and all policies makes each subsequent step easier. And the study also found that these communities that have enecrated health and equity across the range of plans and policies, that it does indeed shape decisions, lead to actual community transformation and improve community health outcomes. So this is the first study that we've seen longitudinally. I thought you might be interested in. Okay, to jump into the timeline, this is really a repeat of what you've seen before a little over a year ago. You directed a subcommittee of both city council members and department heads to prepare a work plan. We came back in April with that work plan, which you approved. We dove deep through a study session in June. In September, we were back giving you a quarterly report. And here we are in November where we have completed the evaluation, the evaluation report and are bringing forward some policy and implementation recommendations for you for consideration. In January of 2020 then, we anticipate with your approval today to hit the ground running and that will be dependent on your decision today. But we already have an eye towards what the work ahead will be. So, getting into the process that we have taken or this pathway we've taken over the past six months. In order to conduct an assessment and evaluation, we really drew from five different sources of information. And I'm going to be going through each of these in detail. So, first of all, in terms of our employee survey, the subcommittee developed and administered the Health and All Policies Survey over the month of July of this past year. Where employees were surveyed on their awareness of the cities and their own utilization and prioritization of health and all policies pillars in their work. The survey's response rate was 19%. And we utilized these data in our gap analysis, which I'll talk about later, and our recommendations, which I'll touch upon right now. So, some of the findings from the employee survey and all of the detailed data and analysis is contained in volume two of the report. So, if you ever want to dive in and take a look for yourself, there are also cross tabulations by demographic that you can also take a look at. But these are really generalizations from the entire population or sample rather of employees that took this survey. So, we did notice that there was a general lack of understanding of what those three pillars mean, and equity in particular. This is despite the fact that a vast array of outreach efforts are being conducted across the city that aim to address equity. There is also an expressed interest in better understanding and integrating and understanding how to integrate the three pillars into employees work. There were also many different examples provided by employees when asked how they use the pillars in their work. For example, I didn't know that some employees are using trauma informed care and providing services. We did know that the Arts Commission is centering equity in its mission statement. And also, there was some perceived progress made in improving access to services for marginalized populations and groups as well as providing interpretation and translation services. These findings were important, particularly in the development of the recommendation around training. They really informed the training. In terms of the community survey, so the subcommittee developed and administered a community survey during August and September of 2019. It was distributed through various community lists, social media, flyers, and announcements at community meetings. The community was asked to provide feedback on their perceived levels of well-being for themselves in the community and the impact they believe the city has on individual and community well-being, and this is a pretty extensive survey. Unfortunately, due to some technical difficulties with our website, we really had a low response rate. So the generalizations or the findings that I'm presenting to you today are really generalizations that are limited to that sample. And I think it's really important to keep that in mind, although I am going to highlight them for you nonetheless. By the way, this survey was both in English and available in English and Spanish. So first of all, we did find that respondents indicated a positive responses with respect to the use of alternative transportation. We also found that respondents said that there were excellent to good opportunities to participate in community matters, but at the same time expressed concerns over fairness, accountability, and openness. Respondents also said that there was fair to poor access to affordable housing, affordable access to childcare, and quality physical and mental health care. However, that is contrasted with respondents expressing excellent to good opportunities for health and wellness opportunities, which to some degree we interpreted as self-care, fitness and recreation, and volunteering, all of which are oftentimes used as indicators for community well-being. We also found that people unevenly experience unfair treatment because of their demographic factors, things like race, gender identification, religious affiliation, shelter status, and etc. So however, 71% of respondents also indicated that local government has an impact on health and well-being, this is an important finding. And this ties directly to our recommendations for an ordinance and agenda report language so that we can foreground these three pillars in all our decision making. Next, the mayor embarked upon a listening tour of 13 different community groups between the months of August and September. And actually, the last one was just in November, Green Schools Committee was the first opportunity we could get on their agenda. Meeting with everyone from business organizations to the Health Improvement Partnership Council to environmental groups, the Beach Blats community, education folks, seniors, teens, and the United Way. And we had some structured questions that we asked in these meetings after the mayor presented what is health in all policy. So the first question, when you envision successful community well-being, in one word, what does that community look like? Really, this revolved around being happy, healthy, safe, vibrant, and a collective community. So I'm trying to use less text and use images here. The second, so these were the common responses across the majority of the sessions that I'm sharing with you. The second is what is working? What is contributing to community well-being of our city? And we heard that jump bikes and innovative vision, those were common themes that we heard across the majority of the sessions. And then in terms of what's possible? What is one action the city can take to realize our vision? Building more affordable housing and increasing opportunities for community outreach and participation were those that were expressed commonly across the majority of sessions. I want to remind you that in our community survey, we did hear that there are excellent to good opportunities to participate in community members, but clearly there's an eagerness for more. So with those data, as they informed our recommendations, we also utilized some of this data in what we're calling a gap analysis. So through our gap analysis, we looked through all six of these various policies and programs, put them in a matrix and decided which addressed the three pillars, included those. And then we had a variety of city functional work areas across which we indicated where each policy or program fell into. So we looked at the general plan, the six month city work plan, the free responses from the health and all policies employee survey, some policy documents including the city council policy manual, the APOs. And then we also did a survey of programs across the city departments. And what we found is that equity, public health and sustainability were not so much addressed across these different functional areas of the city's operations. We looked at 13 of these areas. So here we really are day lighting where we are not intentionally and consistently using these pillars. And it shows us where opportunities lie within the organization. And the recommendations of agenda report language and training will help us to address these various areas that you see here before you in this slide. So with that, we have compiled all of those data sources, that analysis and evaluation into a two volume report that was included as an attachment to this item. It contains three recommendations with the third having a few parts to it. Number one, the adoption of a health and all policy ordinance and a city council policy. So today would be the first reading of that ordinance, the inclusion of language in the analysis section of city council and commission agenda reports. So we would prepare guidance for staff so that they understand what the expectation is here. We're not necessarily asking for a new section. This could be a language that could be in the analysis section of the existing agenda report format. And number three, approval of a city council policy that includes monitoring of well-being indicator metrics. And again, as a reminder from our quarterly update in September, we're really tying those to the core and the community assessment project, which incidentally their latest results have just come out this week. We're really tying them to those metrics so that we aren't reinventing the wheel here and that we're aligned regionally on this effort. We are also recommending training for staff, commissioners and leadership on these three pillars and in fact have already been in conversation with human resources on how that might take shape. Again, to be defined and brought to you in a work plan, implementation work plan in January. And then to commit to facilitating and participating in one to two stakeholder partner convenings. And finally, in order to accomplish this over the next year, I cannot express how valuable it was to have Shabra's assistance with this. As well as Ian, I didn't get to give a shout out. And Shabra, we could not have done this effort without both of them. And so it is critically important to have this annual budget allocation in order to carry out these modest but impactful, potentially impactful recommendations that the subcommittee has brought to you today. And in terms of what would that budget cover, we are expecting that would cover the monitoring, reporting to council on that monitoring, ongoing outreach and coordination on those convenings that we mentioned, and grant writing. Importantly, we really have an eye towards pursuing a couple different grant opportunities that are out there to go further into this work and try to accelerate and amplify our impact. So with that, I'm happy to take any questions that you might have. Thank you, Tiffany and team for the presentation. And I'll just say how wonderful it was to engage with the community on this topic and to really come together to talk about our common vision and desire for a thriving Santa Cruz for all. As well as really a recognition of some of the strengths of our city, but also some of our challenges to address. And I appreciate you also integrating the recent report that was shared with us in terms of how this is the first sort of leap, if you will, that hopefully subsequent steps will contribute to making this longer term sort of shift and impact really influence in a positive way. And just actually yesterday, I was at the community assessment project. And if those of you who were here for the study session or who observed it at home, remember the city of Gonzales presented to us. They received and were recognized yesterday for receiving the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Culture of Health Prize Award. And if you can recall, they had really robustly integrated the health and all policies framework in their city. So I think it really speaks to kind of the national movement around how we're as local institutions able to work with our partners around these three pillars. So with that, thank you again for the presentation. I know some of our staff is here. I'm happy to see if any of the other council members who are on the subcommittee want to say a few words and or if there's any questions from the council at this time. Council member Glover. Thanks. So first I want to congratulate you on this. It's an attempt, it's super important for us to be able to approach serious issues in the community, especially surrounding health equity and sustainability. It's also commendable for us to start the process in general. So I want to applaud you on getting this moving forward. Also show some similarities and some of the things we're interested in, at least on the forefront. That being said, I have lots of questions with regards to the process up and to the point, reviewing some of the stuff and in the agenda report. Specifically, I'm glad that it touched on the outreach aspect of things. Because there was that instruction or approval from the council to participate in the work plan and then open up the dialogue with the community. Now as mentioned, there were community list surveys, social media flyers and announcements at community meetings, but there were only 82 responses to the survey. So it was everything online and just reliant on the website that malfunctioned. Or did it go out through social media? It was a combination of all of them. The survey itself in both Spanish and English lived on our website. We did provide it through a variety of outlets. I provided paper copies to the beach flats area, but did not receive any completed copies back. So unfortunately, yes, due to this technical glitch that essentially caused surveys to take about three minutes to submit. We did hear from folks that they abandoned even trying to submit the surveys. And we worked really hard with IT to try to figure that out. We had actually tested the survey and gotten 32 surveys completed ahead of time. And it was unclear why this happened. And we ultimately were not able to resolve it, unfortunately. And did they ever figure out what the situation was or? No, they didn't. Okay, that's unfortunate. And what was the software that we were using? It's our website. Our website, questionable, I guess. It's a website that I've utilized in the past for surveys and had no problems with it. IT, I have to give them a lot of credit. They really tried to work with our vendor to try to figure this out. And we put language on our webpage saying, we are experiencing this issue. Please do wait for the submission, but we do understand that that most likely discouraged folks from submitting. And how long did that unexpected delay or thing happen? Was it like a one-off day that it tried to get fixed or was it over weeks? No, it was over weeks. Yeah. And when it couldn't get figured out the first time or the first day or two days or three days, how come we didn't explore any alternative surveying options? Because we had put a lot of time into promoting the survey through this and we didn't realize that we wouldn't be able to solve it. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, with that 82 number that the stat or the generality, I guess, that was up there with regards to how unevenly people experience discrimination was a little problematic for me, especially knowing the demographics of the community. And was there a demographics question on that to identify what they identify with? There were demographic questions, yes. And do you have those percentages? I don't have that right now, no. I can certainly get that if you're interested. It is contained in the volume two of the report. Great. Yeah, it's 130 some odd pages, I figured I'd just ask. So that's okay, unfortunate type of difficulties. Okay, so I just want to move on then to the Spanish language survey. So it was all contained on the website, but I know there were physical ones handed out, but we got zero back. Correct. That's unfortunate. And then with the listening sessions. Okay, so really acknowledge the outreach and the attempt to reach out to various sectors of the community and really capture their perspectives. It's really good with everything. Full transparency though, I'm a little confused with the results of the evaluation report. For example, according to the agenda report, it says that the listening tour sessions range from 20 minutes to an hour, which included time for the mayor to provide information on health and all policies and an opportunity for participants to respond to a set of questions. But 20 minutes to be able to express everything that has to do with health and all policies and then to get feedback seems like a really short amount of time. So can you tell us which of the sessions lasted 20 minutes and why? Sure, let me get to that slide. So we really tried to work with existing structures that were in place. So in some cases, for example, Chamber of Commerce or Santa Cruz County Business Council, it was a 20 minute agenda item. Whereas the teen center, the senior center, we had a full hour. In fact, I think most of the sessions were an hour. So what we did was develop agendas for the range of time that we had with groups. And in some cases, particularly when we had shorter time frame with groups, we had a worksheet so that if everyone could not share out loud, we could collect that worksheet and get input from everyone on those four questions that I mentioned. So that's why the variation in the time frame with whom we met with was, it was opportunistic on existing meetings. And in some cases, we did have fresh scratch meetings that weren't necessarily aligned with some kind of regular meeting. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. I asked that just because of the idea of equity, which is one of the pillars of the process. And just reviewing the evaluation reports, I came up with some questions, especially with regards to the beach flats. Because it looks like there was a listening session, two that took place on the same day, August the 15th. One with the beach flats community and the other with the Santa Cruz Business Council. But there's a stark difference in the format of the responses. And maybe you could speak to that or someone can speak to that. Just with regards to the beach flats community, it seems that the only thing that appeared in their report back was the comments. Which was, there's vague one-liners essentially. But the business council, and I believe every other one, we don't need to go through each one. But every other listening session was made up of specific questions. Like when you envision a successful community well being in one word, what does that look like? And so on, and then ending with comments and questions. So can someone explain to me why the beach flats report back is only comments? And were they given the same format and questions as the rest of the groups? Sure, so that was actually a session I was not in attendance for. But the mayor was at, and from what I understand, there were not a lot of people in attendance. And that it seemed to be a better fit to just talk with the community versus posing these four questions and asking for feedback. But I do have to defer to the mayor to provide more details as I was not there. But that's my understanding. Sure, so what that evening consisted of was a video screening. It was a movie that they were going to be showing at their community outdoor area. And so prior to the movie screening was the opportunity to have this listening session occur. But given that there was sort of just kind of a mix of individuals at the park there, what we did was have more of these individual type conversations and notes taken from our conversations. Peter was there, and I'm sorry, I'm failing to remember his last name. And he was there as well to help kind of document some of the conversations as well as ask those specific areas and sort of insights. So apps in a more structured kind of meeting format and we were able to draw out some of their input that way. And so you say it was a film in the park kind of evening. Was there specific outreach associated with the health and all policies presentation associated with that park event? Or was it just a go to the park and then talk to whoever's there? And then also how long did each one of those meetings go for? Was the beach flat, how long was the beach flats interaction? And then how long was the business council, which would happen the same day? I think the business council might have been about 20 minutes if I remember correctly that was in the morning. There was a fuller agenda on that one. And I was down at the beach flats for probably about an hour, just kind of hanging out. And it wasn't necessarily, as I said, we coordinated with the beach flats community center down there. And so it wasn't that we just sort of showed up, it was expected and. Yes, if I might add to that, through my resilient Cosana crews work, I have been working really closely with leaders in the beach flats area. And we really wanted to make sure that we came to them first on what is the best way to reach people in the beach flats. We didn't want to just come in hot with a meeting and say, hey, come on, do this. And they made the suggestion to align it with this movie that was going to be happening. They felt that that was the best way for us to reach a lot of people in that area. There was one other thing I was going to say with respect to that. I might have lost it. The other thing that I was going to say is that, and we did actually go down and fly or the beach flats area to promote this, that folks come down and it went out through Edgar Landera's newsletter and so forth. So we actually tried to promote that more so than I would say almost any other of the sessions that we did have. But just uneven success and I've really learned from my outreach that this is an iterative process and we have to try many things and learn from those kinds of things. So clearly there's some gaps in how we, or the type of data that we collected. But we do feel like this was a good effort, the best effort that we really could have made under the time constraints that we had. Thank you. You're welcome. Thanks Mayor Cummings. I just want to start by thanking Tiffany in particular for all the hard work you did working with the mayor on bringing this forward. There was a lot of effort that went into this. I mean obviously you can see through all the outreach efforts that were done, the surveys that were done, and the ability to really incorporate the voices from the community. And when things happen, when we try to launch big initiatives like this with regards to technical difficulties, but I know that that's one piece that we'll learn from. And as we continue this over time, I think that not only will we be able to refine our efforts and techniques around incorporating information from our community, but we'll be able to use this information to make sure that we're addressing a lot of these issues around affordability, inclusivity, justice, and health in our community. And I think that as we move forward, if we can continue to incorporate this into the things that we do in our everyday lives. It will be able to, I think that it will be a good tool to help us have a better community. So I want to thank the mayor for having me on this subcommittee as well. And I'm looking forward to seeing how this can be incorporated in our community. Yeah, thank you for your time, Councilman Mack. I'll make just a couple questions, and then we want to hear from the public. And when the time comes, I'd be happy to make the motion. This was an ambitious project. So I do want to thank the mayor for championing this. And Tiffany, you just did a heroic amount of work. And Ian, where are you out there? What a champ, honestly. And, Shabra, for your help, really, it was definitely a team effort. And the research and the documentation that went into it and the outreach. Sure, there can always be improvements, but people were really making a sincere effort to reach a variety of community members. So as I say, it's ambitious. I thought from the very beginning that we wanted to acknowledge the values and traditions in the city of Santa Cruz that already demonstrate our commitment in these areas, those are reflected in much of our general plan and many pick a specific plan, climate action, housing, whatever. I mean, I think these are just our active transportation. These things are embedded already in so much of the public. Already in so much of the planning work that we've done. But this pulls it together in one spot. And it's also clear, I think that going forward we do rely on partnerships and reliance on other entities, both for the implementation and for the evaluation. You mentioned the cab report and there are many, many others. I also talked with the county and I know that particularly in their health department, they're trying to be more structured in their investments and they're looking for impact and we can certainly share that without having to recreate that wheel. I do have a couple of, I would say, basically minor edits in the final recommendations. I've shared them with the other committee members and with Tiffany. So when the time comes, I'd like to go ahead with those. Just have two questions. I was wondering how did the bike, the jump bikes, what was that about? You know, when we asked people what's working, it came out. Almost every group said they love the jump bikes. Now, granted with my resilient cost hat on, there are conflicts between the jump bikes, pedestrians and other bikers on West Cliff, so that's another issue. But all in all, the jump bikes are perceived to be very positive. And back to the number of surveys, what do you think, you know, you've done a lot of research, advanced degrees, what would be an adequate number to really inform us? Is 82, is that good enough or should we be getting how many would you say? I didn't do that calculation. There certainly is a calculation that can be done, but it's more on the order of hundreds. I mean, I fully acknowledge and I tried to preface that slide with the fact that generalizing around 82 person sample is not robust. It's not probably reflective of the community. Yet nonetheless, I wanted to share what those findings said. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. I'll just maybe if I could add that this is hopefully the first step to something that is going to be larger in the time. And so more opportunity to come for community engagement, ideally. Yes, we can certainly build upon this, learn from the lessons from this. And so forth. Yeah, I totally see this as a starting point. Any other questions, Councilor Mc? Just some comments. Okay. Well, why don't we go ahead and, you have a question? I mean, if we're going to get into the ordinance and stuff like that, yeah. Questions? Yeah, we didn't give more people some time. Okay, so we can jump back into it. So there's some language questions I have with the ordinance, specifically around some of the definitions. So I notice in the equity definition, ours is equity is just and fair inclusion into society in which all can participate, prosper and reach their full potential. But when looking at the state task forces sheet, essentially. And looking at their definition of equity, it goes on, say, equity is synonymous with fairness and justice. So that's in line, but is both an outcome and a means to an end. So the means in which to get somewhere requires it to be equity. It needs to be achieved and sustained. Equity needs to be thought of as a structural and systemic concept. So I was just curious, because there are other ones that in equities, I believe, which is a direct copy from the other ones. So is there a reason for that change language in the definition of equity? Any thought going on? I'm sorry, I don't know what the question is, a change from- From the state task forces document, where did we generate these definitions? Not necessarily, no. This was a working definition that the subcommittee considered throughout the duration of this six months. If the city council feels it's appropriate to change it, that's completely feasible. Great, I was just curious how it got there. Subcommittee, do you know how it got there? I think, if my understanding is that this was also generated from the change lab solution. That's correct. Model ordinance template. And so we essentially were working off that. And they're the experts in health and all policies work. Okay, great. Thank you. The other one also is racial equity. So I noticed that there's no definition of racial equity in the ordinance. It does appear as a term in the top of the second page, I believe, but there's no included definition. So is there a reason why? The reason I ask those, because the inclusion of the term racial equity is something that stuck out to me. I couldn't help but notice that if you look at all of our documents, it only appears twice in the 171 pages of reports pertaining to the Santa Cruz research or the intention of implementing the policy. And it appears once in the employee responses to racial equity where it says, quote, in response to the statement that the city partners with other institutions and community organizations to advance racial equity, a weak minority of supervisors agreed but non-supervisor respondents were equally split among agreeing and neither agreeing nor disagreeing. So just curious, because if it's in a survey question, why there's no emphasis or discussion around racial justice. And again, I will point out that on the state task force version of it, it appears 17 times in a 15 page document. So there's some severe disparities between our acknowledgement and the emphasis on racial equity as opposed to, say, the state. And I don't know if you're operating off of the framework of the other organization that you just referenced, but it's rather problematic for me and concerning. So can we speak to that? Why is there such a disparity in the term of the language being proposed in Santa Cruz? And why is there no definition included in the documents? There's no, in my opinion, no intentional omission of that for any reason that could easily be added. This health and all policies is looking at the three pillars. It had a really specific outcome or specific outcome in terms of policy and process. I certainly think that we need to dive deeper into racial equity. I myself am interested in power analysis, equity screening tools, racial equity screening tools that I'm starting to implement in my work. So I don't think there was any deliberate omission of that. I don't think so either. Yeah, that's why I'm maybe I should preface that or clear it up. I don't think that there was intentional, but maybe it was okay to say it was an oversight. We didn't think about it, I don't know why we didn't have it in there. But I think it's indicative of a larger problem that we have here in Santa Cruz of our failure to look at and emphasize the importance of racial justice in our policies. So that's one of the things I think was highlighted by the structure of this as it's brought forward. So good to know it wasn't intentional though. I didn't think it was in the first place, but thank you for clearing that up. Okay, so now we can move on to the ordinance, which for the most part I totally thought was good. There's one glaring issue that stuck out though and it is the framework surrounding the social determinants of health. There's not much in reference to housing in there. There's one piece later on, and this is just a small addition, but I want to bring it up because I think this is a fantastic item as we move into the evening. We'll be talking about some of the items later on with regards to housing and being sheltered or unsheltered because according to a wide array of studies and reports conducted by entities ranging from Kaiser to the Center for Disease Control, housing is a primary social determinant of health. And there are lots of links here, I was trying to get in early enough to print out copies for all of you. But I'm happy to send you links or Bonnie the links and she can send them out or whatever that might be. And so we could change the second paragraph of the whereas to add or make it say, quote, whereas there is a growing awareness that health and well-being are influenced by the interaction of many factors such as housing and not simply by genetics, individual behavior, access to Medicare. So when we get into the, after we hear public comment, that might be something I'd be interested in exploring. We want to go to public comment or, okay, why don't we go ahead and open it up to public comment. If those of the community who are interested in speaking to the council on this item, please come forward and you'll have up to two minutes to address the council. Sure, Jared Phillip. This policy should not have cost a dime and been implemented with only one sentence. Policies should be considerate of the effects on citizen health and be equitable and sustainable and mean exactly what the dictionary definition of those words mean. To pay for it to be loaded up with a globalist leftist manure pile of unaccepted ideology and redefine those words in the way they are is an affront to the people and a waste of tax dollars at best. At worst, it demands reprioritization of every policy in almost any way you choose by defining health, equity, and sustainability differently as you choose. The definition of health is and always should be, quote, the state of being free from illness or injury to a person's mental or physical condition, unquote. The definition of equity is and always should be, quote, the quality of being fair and impartial, unquote. You seek to explicitly redefine and install into the politic costly voluminous pages of other justifications for government overreach largely taken from anti-American directives from foreign globalist authorities like the UN or the World Health Organization which instead should be pristine American made of principles. The logic is corrosively defective. The potential of a human is not measurable and is really just an affemurable abstract, unverifiable opinion, not a concern of equity. The social determinants you mentioned as inequitable include income inequality and immigration status. To whatever extent I demand these be removed. Some people are worth more than others and justly get paid more. Illegal aliens are criminals, are unvetted, take jobs from Americans, lower our wages, import poverty, cost a ton, and if not, sworn an oath to accept our nation's principles or respect our culture and laws. At my point, there are always other considerations than prioritized, monofocussed equity definitions of leftist stale grievances and slogans. You should only be in the business- That's close, almost made it. Next speaker please, you'll have up to two minutes. I'm really, really happy that I accidentally came early today. This is one of the best things that I've seen in city council and in city government for a long time. And I just want to thank you for your leadership on this, Martine. And I think it's incredibly encouraging about the work that we can do in city government in general. I just want to make a few comments. First of all, I did hear Ms. Tiffany Wise-West say that we can build on this and what she's interested in and the work that went into it, your listening sessions. And that is also really, really encouraging. I have just scanned it. I'm just going to add a few. Of course, I have to be critical, you know me, have to be critical. Don't feel alive unless I'm critiquing something. So I am going to just make some suggestions. I did notice that in the equity section, there's references to income. And there's another word that goes along with that. I would like if I had my druthers for status in class to be much, much more overt. Because I feel that certain statuses are so self-perpetuating. For example, once a person falls into homelessness, if they don't have good family support, they're likely to stay in homelessness for a very, very long time. And it's just because of factors in the society in general. I'd also like to see low income housing. That kind of language added whenever we talk about affordable housing, because affordable is more based on the market rates. I would love to see low income housing get special notice and for that to start to be included everywhere. About the jump bikes, I think they're fantastic. I live downtown, people use them all the time. People are thrilled and happy to be on them. There are safety issues. I know Vision Zero is addressing some of that. I agree, we do need more data. And the number of persons in the sample is a little low, but I look forward to the future where it's higher. Just in closing, I want to say thank you again for really bringing this into our city discussions. Thank you. Good afternoon, honorable city council members. On behalf of the Health Improvement Partnership of Santa Cruz County, I'm here to speak with enthusiasm for the health and all policies recommendations being brought forward to you today. My name is Elisa Arona. I am the executive director of the Health Improvement Partnership. This includes the four hospital systems, the medical health plan, multiple county departments, mental health and behavioral health treatment partners, and philanthropy granting in health. And I am thrilled to see this intentional effort to put health at the center of the city's decision making. In August of this year, HIP partners participated in the listening tour regarding the city of Santa Cruz's health and all policies work. And there was resounding agreement among the diverse group of partners that the health of our residents is contingent on far more than what services can be offered in a clinic or in a hospital. Adopting an HIP ordinance is an important step in coming together as a community to consider the many other arenas of investment and policy that can promote and will ensure the health of our community. I commend you all for the commitment to community engagement that was clearly part of this process of bringing this forward thinking approach to today's decision making point. I assure you all that there is traction among the healthcare providers to work in collaboration with the city of Santa Cruz to spread the IHEP approach across the county. We are also fortunate to have an HIAP model implemented in the county of Monterey as Mayor Watkins shared. So we have a real opportunity here to affect change through a new way of approaching the way we do business that puts health at the center. I look forward to working with the city of Santa Cruz in making your work visible and supporting you. Thank you and have a wonderful thanksgiving. Thank you. Mayors try to. Good afternoon mayor, city council, city staff. It is my absolute honor to be able to address you today. And I simply just wanted to be here to commend each of you for this amazing work and for leading in this area. And we hope to also be starting our own process soon and implement something similar. So kudos to each of you and I hope you vote in favor and support of the recommendations. Thank you. I support this. How can you not support this? Ever since Mimi did the presentation last year, we're all in agreement and I'm really proud to be part of Santa Cruz to have this part of thing. All the people that put the work into it. I super appreciate that. I within the report, a lot of the listening groups mentioned homelessness, but it doesn't show up on the actual ordinance. And for homelessness, the biggest social determinant of health and longevity is housing. There's no other change as a social determinant that will extend a person's life even if you're talking medical care. There are a couple places that you could add it if you wanted to. At the end of the second paragraph, it could be added. It is also widely accepted in the medical community that the housing of those experiencing homelessness is a single biggest social determinant of life expectancy. You could add it as the fourth paragraph, the first word, homelessness, comma, food, food access, housing, transportation. Or in the sixth paragraph, where it says, whereas addressing the social determinant of health can lead to reduced health care, you could also add better outcomes for the community and in regards to those experiencing homelessness, less trauma, more dignity and extended life expectancy. Again, thank you very much. And for this to be something that is part of our discussions is beautiful because we care about our people and I hope it is also part of the discussion tonight about the shelter stuff. Thanks. Are there any other members of the community wanting to address the council on this item? Okay, see none. Thank you for those that spoke to us. We'll go ahead and return back to council. Council Member Matthews, Myers Glover, Vice Mayor Cummings-Brown. I'd like to put a motion on the floor. I suspect there'll be some changes and I have some as well. Again, I want to thank Tiffany and Ian and Shebra for all the work they did on this. So I'm going to try and follow the recommendation in our packet here. I'm not sure it's entirely the same. First is to accept the high app evaluation report and recommendations and secondly to introduce for publication and ordinance adding 6.0 to the municipal code and I do have personally an amendment that I would like to add to that. Mine is and I'll scratch this on it. It's all marked up because I had typos on it but you can maybe project that. I would like to add in the, and I'll continue on down with the rest of the items. I would like to add under the definition of public health which is on page 12.7. The following public health is the signs of protecting the safety and improving the health of communities as a whole. To me that was missing from the concept of public health and to me it's fundamental. And then that statement goes which I cribbed from Center for Disease Control and World Health variety of definitions. The mission of public health is to promote conditions in which people can be healthy. This work is achieved by researching disease and injury prevention, education to promote healthy lifestyles and public policy to address the health priorities of communities and populations at risk. So I would just like to add that into the definition of public health. And I agree with some of the comments that Drew made. We can come back but for my motion that's the one addition that I would like to add on the municipal code. The third item shown is the adoption of the health and all policies implementation city council policy. And I did have some change to that. And that's on page 12.8. The implementation section there talks about things happening within a year or a specific budget amount. And those to me seemed not appropriate for an ordinance that's intended to last over time. So I would suggest the following. In implementation, which is the section 6.03050, simply say the analysis section of city council and commission agenda reports will include reference to how the report considers the high app pillars. It doesn't talk about it being prepared within a certain time frame. And then secondly, the functional procedures for integrating the high app framework into city operations will be defined in council policy. So it's just kind of a more general direction. And I think that's it. Let me see. There is somewhere the reference to the $25,000 annual allocation. That's in the city council policy. Oh, that's in thank you, Tiffany. And that's on page 12.10. Yes, turn the page. And for that, I would prefer to take out that amount. And just say under implementation, when developing city council departmental work plans, the following things will be included. One is an annual budget allocation to support grant writing, monitoring, reporting to city council and or outreach. Two, annual evaluation of the city's high app effort. Three, training for new staff, commissioners and leadership in all three pillars. And four, participation by staff and leadership in stakeholder and partner convenings to ensure cross section, cross sector collaboration. There again, I didn't put it in the number per year, but I think the intention is there. So again, those are just a little bit editorial. But and then the other would be to direct staff to return with an implementation work plan by the first meeting in January. And I would be happy to also include, because I took the dollar amount to say we recommend 25,000 in the coming budget year for implementation. I'll second the motion. But then I would like to see if I could add some further direction and then we can maybe nuance some of the language. But the further direction would also be to have our city manager's office research initiating Tiffany's position to be full-time climate action manager. I know that she has a shared portion of her time spent doing other things. And given this work and broader work, I think it would be worthwhile for us to explore how to make her full time in that position. And I invite the city manager, I know we spoke about this in advance if you want to say a few words as well. Yes, certainly we can definitely look at that as part of the budget process and mid-year budget process. I think the kind of language I'd be comfortable with would be direct city manager to explore opportunities for more robust staffing of this function. Is that, I mean, you know, I hate to tie it to a person. Which could include potentially increasing our existing budget. Could we add that, which could potentially include. I'm just going to say to investigate the possibility for more robust staffing for this, for the high-app function. We add which could potentially include increasing our not permanent climate manager to be potentially permanent as a specific option. That feels weird to me. No fans on Tiffany. Okay. Well, we can maybe look at that later if we want. We can separate that out. That's implied. And I will say I didn't go into detail, but the expectations here of research, analysis, metrics, et cetera, are exceptionally ambitious for the fiscal and people resources that we have. And we have a lot of other functions to measure. And I mean, this is, I'm just going to be honest, this is kind of written like it's a PhD project or it's a think tank project. And we can't do all of it, which is why I asked about the other community resources that are doing the kind of research that could be useful to us that we don't have. And I don't know if at least it's here. Yes. I don't know what HIAP is doing, for example, in terms of health data that could be useful that we don't have to recreate ourselves. So I think I'd like to just leave it there. Okay. So maybe what we'll do is I'll just maybe say that that wasn't, we'll maybe separate out the potential amended amendment or supplemental direction and revisit that after we go through the motion as, as presented by Councillor Ahmed. I'm going to go ahead and withdraw that and then I'll reintroduce that or have maybe a colleague reintroduce that as a potential solution after if there's interest. Okay. I did want to also, in terms of amendments, acknowledge Drew's comment because racial equity popped out at me. There are a lot of kinds of equity issues that not being the only one. So a possibility is to talk about promoting healthy communities, equity across various factors of disadvantage of which there are many ethnic, social, class, educational, et cetera. That's just one possibility. Excuse me. Could you tell me where you're referencing in the document so I can track that please? Big document. And I'm just, I'm just suggesting it as, but it would be in, it's not a numbered whereas the, the whereas at the top of 12.6. Your page is not numbered. No. It's the second page. It's the second to last findings. Well, it's near the bottom of the warehouses. It's the second to last whereas. Thank you. Yeah. It just that leaped out to me as a rather restricted definition of equity issues. I'll just open to discussion. Okay. We can definitely discuss. I'll just sort of maybe if, if, if I may just sort of reorient us around, you know, this is really clearly not perfect, but it's really good. And it's a step in the right direction and we'll have ample opportunity if we move in the direction of wanting to make this a priority to refine, to recommit to engaging the community for input and to have it reflect hopefully holistically what we want it to reflect. So knowing that there may be elements of imperfect, that there may be, there is absolutely opportunity for it to be iterative and grow. That's a really great first step. And it's, and it's based on a model that has been presented by the go to statewide consulting agency presenting these different opportunities for communities. Okay. I believe I had Councilor Meyers, then Councilor McLeaver, then Vice Mayor Cummings, then Councilor Brown. I just have a couple of additions. Overall, I just want to compliment the subcommittee and Mayor Watkins. You know, we, government likes to do things in siloed ways and I think currently we're really starting to see how that results in really missing some major issues as they arise in our community. So I think what this is doing is really blending what people would think of as typical city services with the recognition that, you know, there's people living in cities and there's families living in cities and there's kids living in cities and there's seniors living in cities. And so what I think this is powerful as a policy is that it really kind of makes us take a step to really acknowledge the population and the community as regards to sort of what typical city services are. So I really compliment Tiffany, your work, Ian, your work, the whole group that worked on this. And I think as we see cities struggle with a lot of societal issues moving ahead, this kind of framework helps us have a place to really evaluate things from. So congratulations on all the work that you guys did. I have a couple of suggestions in terms of the words environmental sustainability and the ordinance. One, I would just suggest that maybe we provide a definition for that and I'm going to look at Tiffany because I know you can probably do that for us very easily with a minor amendment in terms of making sure that we identify what that does mean and it does show up two or three space places in the ordinance and I do think it's important environmental sustainability is sort of a big concept. Some people interpret it as transportation goals, others interpret it as land-based goals, others interpret it as clean air or clean water. So if there's a way to kind of understand that, especially moving ahead so we can really tie that into the actual human health and community health objectives as well. Excuse me, Council Member Myers may ask you a clarifying question please. So under the definitions we do have sustainability, so are you suggesting replacing that with environmental sustainability or yeah? I would suggest that we provide a definition of environmental sustainability in the definitions as well. Okay, thank you. And a suggestion if possible and I don't want to create a lot of work for people but I was impressed with the whole report. I did read however many pages it is and I guess one of the most powerful things that I saw in this and it really tracks with how we do our outreach during general plan processes and other things when we update our transportation plans, these big planning processes but the amount of outreach and groups and organizations that were involved, obviously our housing effort two years ago was very similar to this. I don't know if there would be a way to capture, there's an impressive list which I'm not able to find right at this moment. Somewhere in an appendix. Yeah, it's in appendix L. We have an impressive list of organizations as well as a list of the listening tour. A lot of these organizations exist in town. It would be probably overwhelming to try to describe each one but it just capturing a way to really describe sort of the interrelatedness of some of these groups might be helpful. For those who may not be completely familiar with all, especially the service providers, health service providers, some of these groups are so important to our community. I don't know if we can put a little snapshot of a few of them or if we can incorporate maybe even just the ability to look at those occasionally via the website or something like that and really get a sense of what their mission is. I think it would be helpful to provide context that way to this work as we kick it off. Those are just two suggestions. Let me just make sure I'm trying to keep this. I think those are my main one. Many of my other comments have already been made and so I'll end it there. Thank you. Can I ask one more clarifying comment? So you are not suggesting that we revise this report but rather in the future perhaps when we bring the implementation work plan or other products throughout next year to look at that, how those missions intersect and the interrelatedness between the organizations. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. First I just wanted to ask if Cynthia could repeat the phrase that you used when you were talking about racial equity. It was something along the lines of racial equity across. What was that? I just said various factors of disadvantage. Various factors of disadvantage. Because there are many. Yeah. I felt really weird about that. Okay. That phrasing because I don't think being of a racial category is a disadvantage. I think that socially and structurally the system makes it a disadvantage. So I would really be, I would appreciate it if we didn't use that language. That was problematic for me. And just to be open and honest and clear and transparent as our book says. Then also how many times did the steering committee meet? Or the subcommittee? Subcommittee, Matt. Maybe four to six times. Four to six times. And that was over six months, right? Correct. Okay, cool. I was wondering because that was a lot of additions at the end there because it was even really hard to track all of your amendments and suggestions. I would have thought those would have come to us in the presentation, but I don't know if we're going to be able to get that up there at some point, Bonnie, to be able to review before the vote. Okay, cool. Because that was a lot. And yeah, especially with the addition of staff time or hours or cost or all that kind of stuff that seems like that wasn't incorporated in any of the suggestions to begin with. But we'll get back to the amendments that I was talking about. So with regards to the second paragraph, I think we could add such as housing afterward factors. So the are influenced by the interaction of many factors such as housing, but then also end that paragraph with it's also widely accepted in the medical community that the housing of those experiencing homelessness is the single biggest social determinant of life expectancy. Do you have a question of which of the whereas? This is the second whereas. What was the other? Could you state the last request? Right. So second paragraph, second line after factors would be such as housing and simply not by genetics, common individual or whatever. And then ending that paragraph with the sentence. It's also it is also widely accepted in the medical community that the housing of those experiencing homelessness is the biggest single biggest social determinant to life expectancy. I wonder if that would be a separate sentence in that the framing is around I think a more common definition for the social determinants of health that I've seen, but a separate sentence could be the influence of housing is an impact on. I'm happy to put on that the first part there. I'm going to rearrange a tiny bit interaction many factors not simply by genetics, individual behavior, or access to resources such as housing, education or medical care. I would like to fold housing in with those other resources. Sure. As long as housing is represented there, absolutely. I am interested however in getting specific language to acknowledge the impact of shelter on people experiencing homelessness. If not there, then I have some other suggestions, but I'd like to see that at the end of that section. Tiffany, if I may. In terms of how I've seen the social determinants of health framed, the language here is pretty consistent. Is that your interpretation as well with how it's written in many ways? It is, but I have to acknowledge I'm not an expert in this field, so I really can't comment any further on it. I would just say personally I'd rather keep these whereas as general. There may be other places to. Maybe we can look at another place. Okay. Well then in paragraph four on the third line, starting it so it says policies related to homelessness, food access, housing, transportation, public safety, education, sustainability, climate change, parks and air, et cetera. Where are you? Give me a number. Paragraph four, line three. On what? You're reading it. On the ordinance. Okay. Third line. So the entire thing would read, whereas policies implemented by the city of Santa Cruz outside of the traditional health sector significantly affect the social determinants of health, including policies related to homelessness, food access, housing, transportation, public safety, and so on. That fits more clearly for me. Thank you. Wonderful. Cool. Excellent. And then paragraph six, or whereas six, one, two, three, four, five, six. Addressing the social determinants of health can lead to reduced health care costs, better outcomes for the community in regards to those experiencing homelessness, less trauma, more dignity, and extended life expectancy. As well as to a whole lot of other people. So I'd like to leave that one really clean the way it is. Okay. Well, at least we've got housing and homelessness in there at least once. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. I think we had, sorry, vice mayor coming, then councilmember Brown, and then we'll go to you, councilmember Brown. Just going to acknowledge that there are a lot of comments that came up earlier around racial equity, the well-being of people. And I just want to point out that that has come up a lot throughout this, that we, you know, we bring up racial equity within this. And this is within, what, four pages on a number of occasions, we also are mentioning that this policy is to improve the well-being of all people. And so I think that we are really trying to be intentional around saying that we are trying, this policy is intended to not discriminate people because of race, housing, socioeconomic class. This policy is to address inequities and try to bring more equity to people within our community. And so I just want to point that out overall. And I have an additional motion to make after we move forward with this. Councilmember Brown. Councilmember Glover pretty much raised the questions for some changes that I thought would be helpful to make around acknowledging homelessness as part of this. So I'll leave it there, but I'll take the opportunity to thank the staff, Tiffany, for all of your work, consultants and subcommittee for your work to bring this to us. Councilmember Cronin. Yeah, I just wanted to say I do appreciate you bringing this forward and I really love a lot of the language that's here and things that we're attempting to undertake and define. I appreciate the equality, equity definitions and the differences between those two things. I think it makes it really clear. There were... I was wondering if we could, if it would be appropriate on this one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four, five. The fifth whereas to put in and city council member collaboration interagency and city council member collaboration can lead to improved decision making and outcomes and greater efficiencies in service delivery. Does that make any sense there? I'll just say I think the intention was all the aspects of the city with all the other agencies out there. That's what I was wondering. That's all I had. Thank you. I love on page 12.7 under the thing, the safe housing, access to healthy and affordable food, really important, really, really big and the concept of stewardship. I always see our role up here as stewarding the resources we have here in the city and getting the best deal for our voters and residents. So I appreciate the concept of stewardship and the responsible management of resources. Thank you for including that. Well, I just want to thank everybody for their input. And similar to our process, I'd say with the community and internally that the more fingers, the more voices, the more additions that show shared ownership over this, the better. So I appreciate the willingness to dive into this a little bit with us. Councilor Morathius. And I'll just say, I read through this a few times and every time I read it I saw different stops. Sorry for the later things. I also resonated with the issue that Donna raised about sustainability. And this definition, I didn't even mention all the things that leapt out. But this was one, sustainability means creating and maintaining conditions so that humans can fulfill the requirements. I don't think of sustainability as totally human oriented. I think of it as the whole natural world. And so I'm wondering if we just flipped the two parts of those. Sustainability can be thought of in terms of environmental, economic, and social impacts. It encompasses the concept of stewardship and responsible management of resources. If we just put that first and then say it can also mean creating and maintaining conditions. Because I think of having sustainable institutions, a sustainable environment. If we just flipped those, would that do it for a year? Maybe it's just me, but I think that environmental sustainability is a really important concept as we move forward because we will be making choices between water and habitats. So I just, I'm going to hang on to my one comment around environmental sustainability because it is an integral part, the word environment there. And it's actually used both in the state language as well as mentioned in the, so. I think we want to do a first reading. Can we just, I'm wondering if we do the first reading. Throw it in now. I'll offer some language for the second reading. Would that dramatically change it if we. It needs to happen today. I wonder if though what we could do in the interest of continuing to move this along but knowing it's going to be iterative is that one of the first sort of, or one of the areas that the implementation kind of work encompasses is really exploring environmental sustainability as it relates to this work and potentially in integration. Let me just see if I'm in the, if you can rearrange some words. I got a thought here. Yeah, let me just. I think so. I can, I see where you're, yeah. I'm fine with that. Absolutely. I don't want to hold this up just over that. Just flipping it. Let's flip it. So you'll be, so it'll be sustainability. Sustainability can be thought of in terms of. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. And where we're going with that. This means creating me so that humans. I would say and humans and. That's just okay. We'll keep it at humans. I'm good with that. Okay. Great. Thank you. I think. Thank you all for your insights into making it something that we all share and have a role in creating. Do you have a comment? Mr. Yeah, I just wanted to comment a little bit more on the question of staffing. Maybe can we do that after we finish up this motion? Because I do believe that there is going to be. If I could maybe have you reserve that. Perfect. We'll go ahead and have you speak to that in a moment. Okay. So I think we're pretty much there. I know we had some nuance language. So Cynthia made the motion with the recommendations that I think she provided to you in regards to some of the language changes. I feel comfortable with those recommendations and as the seconder and then the sort of some of the nuance language. Did you feel that you were able to capture much of what you decided in those areas or do you have questions? I believe so. But can I ask a couple questions? So we are not including the environmental sustainability definition. We are or not replacing the equity definition with the state definition. I'm unclear on that. So we are not replacing it, but we are adding it. The public health definition. Is that what you mean? I'm sorry. No. Equity. I don't remember. I brought that up as one of his first comments. Oh, I forgot. I don't remember. Do you want to go ahead and restate that? Yeah, it was just mainly had to do with the differences between the definitions because there is no definition of racial equity in the Santa Cruz health and all policies aspect. And so that was the second question. My first question was on the equity itself. I believe you made two comments. Karen was on the definition of equity as it relates to the state definition. And then my one of my next questions was the is the do you are you all wanting the inclusion of racial equity definition as well? Great. Thank you. The first part to that is just the differences talking about the acknowledgement that it's also an outcome and a means to an end and also structural and a systemic concept. Now elsewhere in the document it references structural and systemic stuff. So that's less of an importance. And it's, you know, I was just mainly curious about the difference if people are okay with the existing language and don't want to add the equity is both an outcome and a means to an end. I'm okay with that. It's not, you know, a severe thing. I am more adamant about the inclusion of a definition of racial equity so that it is included in there. And to speak to the vice mayor's comment, yes, you're absolutely correct. We want to provide equity across all realms of our community. However, there are groups that need to be specifically identified to make sure that they are taken into consideration in the implementation of the policy and held accountable through the decision-making process, which one of my primary areas of focus is making sure that there is racial equity on this body and in our policies, which, you know, there has been problematic aspects with. If I could just add that I know the vice mayor has a quick question or comment in regards to the health disparities definition that really specifies the difference of preference of disease health outcomes or access to care among different distinct segments of the population, including differences that occur by race or ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation, education or income, immigration status, et cetera. Does that cover sort of what your intention is around looking at how we're factoring in health disparities for specific subpopulations in this work? So it's good to know that there's an acknowledgement of health disparities and acknowledging all those different subsections. I'm just looking at the state task force model and their intentional inclusion of racial equity in a tremendous amount of references in 15 pages of document and are very lacking to almost none. And I think that it's important that we include a definition of racial equity in there so that it's present and I think it should be something that we should be focusing on as a primary thing because we have a severe amount of racial disparity in Santa Cruz in general. So it's something that we should be looking at and making sure all of our policies are intentionally acknowledging and taking into consideration when evaluating the Health and Health Policy Framework. Vice Mayor. So if today is the first hearing then we would need to know what that definition is in order for this to continue to be the first hearing. Is that correct? It is. So do you have that available then? Yeah, the suggested language could be an I'll go slowly because I know this is not on the screen or anything. Racial equity is achieved when race can no longer be used to predict life outcomes and outcomes for all groups are improved. So it gets back to what the vice mayor was referring to about wanting to see all included but it's important and the emphasis around this comes from the history of the country and how it was founded in racism and how it still perpetuates racism through either unconscious bias or through under the radar racist policies which disproportionately impact low income people and specifically people of color. So that would be the language. I'm fine with that. Do you want to go ahead? I've got a place to put it. I am happy in my motion to include in the section on definitions then we have equity is the first one. I'm happy to add equity is both an outcome and a means to an end. That appears in many places and then there's a little inset there equities are unfair avoidable and unjust differences that are created etc etc. I think you could just say for example and then put your sentence in right there race is that work for you under just sort of the broader definition of equity. I mean it's something it's better than nothing but I don't understand why we just couldn't add another line and just define racial equity so that it's clear and specific. This is a general description and it fits their will. It's true that health disparities further on down refers to disparities by race or ethnicity but there are many other aspects of equity aside from health. So I'd like to just leave that first section on equity general but include the sentence you offered as a second sentence there. It's a compromise but at least we'll get racial equity in there as a defined aspect of the overall equity thing. So sure absolutely. So to be clear then after letter A equity is inequities and after that will be a statement that will essentially be the definition of racial equity that council member Glover just expressed. Is that correct? Just say continue that one section that starts inequities and then just on that as a second sentence just say for example etc. And then we'll just go into the definition of racial equity. Or might I make a suggestion that we just continue the equity statement so that it is equity is a fair inclusion into a society in which all can participate, prosper and reach their full potential. For example racial equity is achieved when race can no longer be used to predict life outcomes and outcomes for all groups are improved because then it's not connected to inequities. We want it to be connected to equity and it incorporates the term racial equity and a definition. Or it could just be a definition of stand-alone in either way. Vice Mayor coming? I was going to make a recommendation actually that I think might be something that fits. Correct in that. So equity is just fair inclusion into a society in which people of all races, ethnicities, gender, sexual orientation, age, disability, functional impairment, geographic location or the combination of any of these factors can participate, prosper and reach their full potential. So it's pretty much taking the last one under health disparities and it's just putting it in after in which people of all and then including that. Why don't you just say. All can participate, prosper and reach their full potential regardless of, that's a little cleaner, regardless of race, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do you accept that then? I'll accept that as well. So at the very beginning of equity it would say into a society regardless of, and then it goes into that last sentence of race, ethnicity, gender, et cetera. Has the clerk gotten this? Because I don't have it all down. No, we're going to have to watch the video. I think I know too, but I just want to get it right. So it takes that, and then I think we could still meet the interest around having racial equity included in that if Councilmember Glover is open to it as sort of a second subset to the equity definition. Okay, let me rewind for a second. That's a great suggestion. I'm a little confused as to why there's such a resistance to putting the term racial equity in the document, specifically racial equity. And I also find it strange that we're moving away from the state-acknowledged definition of racial equity and focusing on how we can mesh it into this so that it's less specific around the issue of race. It seems strange doing this battle with you up here and also Vice Mayor Cummings, since I would hope that we would be able to emphasize the importance of racial equity as this is the first time there's been black people, black men on the city council. So, you know, I get it. I mean, we can move forward with whatever, because I don't need to approve it. The seconder and the motion need to approve it. But I'm just saying there's an amazing amount of resistance to put the term racial equity into this document. I don't understand what the... Well, I think we have it in there. I think if we're open to having it in there as a subset of the equity definition, it's still in there. Ideally, you know, given it's not your preference, it's still listed as part of the definitions in a defined term. The word race is included, but the definition of racial equity is not included. So, but that's okay. Whatever. Okay. Vice Mayor Cummings. I'll just state that, you know, one of the big things and it's not a resistance to putting this end by any means, but I think what we want and what we're intending to do is not just limit our definitions around equity to just race. I mean, we have to think about women. We have to think about people of different ages, sexual orientations, functional impairments, all the things that we've listed here, we want to make sure that we are including when we discuss, when we're discussing equity, because it's not just race. And I think that, you know, it would be, you know, it would be a disinterest to not include all of these people and people of our entire community into a policy that we're trying to create. So there's no resistance to it. I'm just trying to find a way that we can make sure that we're including everyone in this policy. I agree. And I think we have found that way by changing that first sentence to include everybody and then also saying as an example and then using the language around racial equity as suggested by Councilmember Glover. So I do think it's, I think we're there if that works. Just a quick response to the Vice Mayor. So I don't think that the incorporation of a specific definition of racial equity in any way distances or lessens the impact or the inclusion of other people in relevance to this document. I'm looking at the state version of the document and how they have intentionally in their 15 page document included the term racial equity 17 times in a city that has a 1.8% approximate African-American rate and even lower Native American rate or indigenous American rate, the issues of the disparities that are faced by the Latinx and immigrant communities, all of those things that surround race, the very real prevalence of white supremacy here in Santa Cruz, the history of white supremacy and the policies that have built this city, that is why it needs to be specifically included in my opinion and that's why there is resistance because racial equity in the definition cannot go in the document. It has to be sparsed in with some other definition so it includes everyone in this broad umbrella, but we need to get specific about certain things, but that's okay, like I said, if that's the way the body decides to go, that's great, race is in there at least, so that's good. If I might make one comment and I know this is a difficult topic that we're discussing here and I appreciate the discussion around it and I'm by no means an expert in this, but to the point on using the distinction between race and ethnicity with respect to Latinx folks, that is ethnicity and not race, so I just want to be clear that if we are trying to be inclusive of those folks in whether it's using the term race or not, I just want to be clear about that. Thank you. Okay, so I think for the most part, we may have captured all that we needed to capture that got us to a place to hopefully be able to move us forward. So I will briefly summarize what I feel like we are at and then maybe we'll go ahead and take the vote if that's okay. So we do and did make a motion by Councilor Matthews to accept the report and recommendations. We have made modifications, some language modifications to the ordinance for the first reading. I know that some of those were captured or will need to be captured. My understanding was there was some language to, and I guess I won't get into the specifics, but to the second paragraph of the whereas, the fourth, as well as some of the definitions and a shift in the sustainability area to encompass Councilmember Myers input and then in the implementation area to incorporate Councilmember Matthews suggested document that sort of generalizes that knowing that that could be further defined by the policy or the implementation plan. And then some minor modifications to the policy statement, but with the overall interest in having the 25,000 be the recommended amount, even though it's not listed in the actual policy for the mid-year budget. And I would have that be a fifth part of the motion. Okay. I recommend 25,000 for the 2021 budget consideration. Okay. So that would be the fifth part of the motion. Okay. Does that adequately, do you have any burning questions before we move it? No, I do not. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any other input? Okay. Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. That passes unanimously. I do know there was sort of that pending element around trying to really have a higher staff level dedicated to climate action. And I know Mr. Bernal wanted to speak to that and then I'll go ahead and hand it over to Vice Mayor Cummings. Yeah. And thinking about that a little further, what I would suggest is that I understand the logic of having Tiffany do some additional work on this given the tremendous, you know, great work that she's done. And that might very well be the best approach. However, in order to sort of keep a clear separation between the policymaking role of the city council and the implementation role of the city staff, what I would recommend is you just direct us to look at making sure that we provide appropriate staffing for this work and then we bring that back to you. So that was just my thought again in order to just kind of be consistent with, I think that would be the appropriate council action and direction at this point. I just have a brief question about that though because it doesn't seem consistent. We did have an item that came back with two potential positions that came forward with our input on and that was in regards to the homeless coordinator position as well as the communications position. So I'm sorry, I don't know if I follow your logic on how we don't weigh in on specific individual positions. Well, I think those were brought, you provided general direction about the need for well actually in that particular case staff felt that there was a need for particular staffing to address particular areas. We brought back to you specific recommendations on the classification, the qualifications and the budget to do that. So I think it's a similar thing. Your interest as a city council is to ensure that there's enough and adequate staffing for this function. And what I would recommend is that you direct us to go back and look at how to do that and bring that back to you. Rather than specifically donating any how to do that because that's more of an implementation role. That's just a suggestion. I think the end result is the same. I think just to be consistent and clear. Okay. So I'll just move that we direct the city manager's office to explore increasing staff to support health and all policy and including the increase of the climate and sustainability manager position to full-time and bring back report on it before the next of the midterm budget. All right. I'll go ahead and second that motion. Further discussion? Yep. Do you want to ask? Do you have a question? Councilmember Myers? Well, I guess I just so one of the things that I know that Tiffany works on is flood control, the flood control, which is a really important thing environmentally that we have a really great person working on. So I'm just I don't know enough about what Tiffany does. I don't know if all of this gets rolled up under her position or not. But her head around planning for this flood stuff into the future is really important for our whole community because we are at real risk on that. So that's the only thing I just sort of throw out there as far as I know what her role is. Sure. And I was I'll just say that this is, you know, staff support and, you know, knowing how much work went into this from Tiffany and knowing that it's not a full time position that given that sometimes these tasks get her role is utilized to address these tasks that are linked to sustainability within our community. I think that it would be good if we moved her up into full time in case some of these duties get put onto her in the future or to whoever's in this role, I should say. So it's not linked to an individual person. It's linked more to the role under climate sustainability. And this isn't to say that this work would fall on to the person who's in that role but exploring the staffing support for the health and all policies. And in addition to that, the climate sustainability manager coming up to full time I think is where I'm trying to go with this motion currently. So. I'm sorry I'm just not totally comfortable with this. I think we're mixing adequate staffing for our climate action plan with the next step on the high app. And I think a very general statement asking city manager to come back with recommendations for appropriate staffing for both the high app program separately our climate action program is the way to go. That was the intention in the motion because it was staffing to support health and all policies and separately the climate sustainability manager position at full time. Well, that's describing the climate action person full time at climate action and something else. I mean I wonder if you could say and potentially seeing if to explore how I'm leaving it open. Do you want to speak to this Tiffany? Well, I mean in the report it does say that all of these things that are going to be carried out are going to be done by me. So I just want to make that clear that that is called for and that that's really why we ask for the support of a consultant. Should there be much more beyond that that would be I mean there's going to have to be choices about what is on the climate action program work plan and what's not at some point. So just to be real. Do you want to just say you know as a possibility and that kind of eliminates the directive to make it specific around full time? Right. I mean I understand the suggestion so I think that's clear. Again I think if you just keep it generic I think that's fine. Obviously and obviously we've had conversations about that there's no there's some logic in exploring that. We recognize that we know that and we will definitely look at that. So just wanting to be clear about the direction that. Okay. Well at the risk of carrying on into muddying the waters I'm just wondering would it be possible to say explore staffing to support the health and all policies program including but not limited to movement of the climate action or climate and sustainability manager position to full time. So it's in there that we that we are suggesting because I think that's actually a very good idea and I'd like to make that clear that that is an avenue we want to be pursued. For you guys? Yeah that was the intention of the motion. Okay. And I think it encompasses what you're expressing interest in wanting to do. That's fine. Okay. Are we good? Yeah. Okay all those in favor please say aye. Aye. That passes unanimously. Thank you. Why don't we take maybe just a short five minute transition break as we then move into the revenue subcommittee potentially. The committee members but I'm happy to provide an overview. Okay. So I'll start off and just introduce the item. So as you all may recall that the council established this ad hoc revenue subcommittee committee. We had a debate about committee versus subcommittee and now I think it's it's uniform throughout committee to consider revenue enhancing options for the city for city council action. And it was a broad suggestion to look at various revenue measures and including the transient occupancy tax the hotel tax. We received some reports presentations from the action labs set of action labs that teams that were established by the city and these were I mean this is an amazing thing that I learned a little bit more about that the city has done bringing staff from various departments together on these teams interdepartmental teams to look at various revenue enhancement options and they really did a lot of work and gave us a great basis on which to kind of determine how to proceed. So out the action lab topics presented were transient occupancy tax real estate transfer and some of these were not for council action so and they're listed kind of on on the agenda report I won't go through them all but you also have a grid that shows what those were as a result of those presentations and our kind of early discussions we decided to pursue the transient occupancy tax potentially for the March ballot and that led us to very quickly contract with Gene Bregman and associates who have done polling for the city for other revenue enhancement and other measures over time so we were able to make that happen pretty quickly the results were positive that we that there is broad support in the city among city voters for increasing the TOT by two or three percent with caveat that the polling the results really reflected opinions without any formal organized opposition campaign it was kind of just the point in time question so we also decided that it would be useful to engage with the lodging industry hotel lodging in visitor serving industries and so we had some really what I consider to be very productive and informative conversations about our intentions and we got a lot of feedback which helped us kind of rethink the timeline I think we fully intend that we want to go forward and make a recommendation but we felt that it would best be recommended to be placed on the November 2020 ballot and that will give us time to do some additional community engagement and bring a proposal that kind of reflects some additional stakeholder and community involvement and feedback and if my and if councilmember Matthews my colleague on the on the committee wants to add anything well I would say the conversations were constructive they weren't hostile they were concerned the people that we met with wanted to know how is the city spending its money these days and so we asked also in the finance staff and started to prepare some revised just basic city budget 101 type documents that we could share here's how we're spending our money there was a question should it be a dedicated measure with a two third so people would know where it was going or should it be a simple majority which would be a general fund in which case we might adopt a resolution as we've done in the past so these are questions that were as yet unanswered and we just definitely thought that the opportunity to do more education in both directions and actually build a case would be desirable and that trying to shoot for the march election under the circumstances would not be a smart move so we asked that our committee be continued to continue this path. Thank you for adding those elements and I would just add that among the other revenue enhancement measures that we talked about some of them will be coming to you in the interim related to the public safety impact fee and child care developer impact fee so those will move forward independently of the extended timeline for the TOT. And just on that those will be structured as fees and not as a vote. Council can approve those. I just want to thank you for your work on this. I know this is critical work but I appreciate your thought going into this and also awareness that it needs more time so thank you for the update and for the recommendation. Mr. Bernal? One of the things that we had asked our pollster was to be able to present today and he wasn't able to do that. However I do have his PowerPoint slides and if you like I'm happy to go over the poll results as well. Well you know in the interest of time I'll go ahead and see if my colleagues want to see that data or we can maybe see it offline and then go ahead and maybe have that. It's up to the council. How do you all feel we have quite a bit to get to still before we have our break. Do you want to is it a brief summary? How long would it take? I'm just curious about that was one of the questions. I can go through it pretty quickly in five minutes. Or if people I'll just suggest that people have questions you could ask your questions. The graphs and the comments are pretty self-explanatory. And that's in our agenda Patrick. He actually wrote up a report as well. That's in your agenda packet. And then I'll pass out also the top line summary that you can look at. And if I could you know our intention is to through in our community engagement we may potentially include some of this presentation. So you know we could certainly make that information available to council members if you want to get the presentation at some point. That would be great. Maybe at a future time we could get that full presentation and maybe Jean could come if he's available and present that data which is always helpful for clarification of questions. Council member Mayer. So this presentation would be available on today's agenda as an attachment. The specific memorandum. That's in what's published. Great. I have some slides but we could definitely include those in the agenda packet. There's no problem with that. Essentially the slides that are within his report are in a power point format. Okay great. So we already have that information. I saw that. Vice mayor. I said one question and that was whether the committee is going to continue to pursue the real estate transfer tax or is this simply is the emphasis and focus now going to be just on the transparency tax? Our intention was to pursue this one. I think pursuing tax measures in one ballot is probably getting a little ambitious. Thank you. But I would just add that we did agree that we didn't want to sideline it entirely so we do want to continue to have that conversation and kind of move forward with gathering some additional information based upon what we got from the Action Lab. Thank you. I just have a question for the committee. I also met with the group of, I don't know if it was the exact same group, but a group of the tourism and hoteliers. And I had a couple, I just had a question. I mean it was very clear to me when I met with them. They certainly wanted quantifiable impacts specifically around safety, security and homelessness. Those were the three things that really surfaced in our discussion. And so, and they also just mentioned the need, you know, just wanting to understand how they sort of what the process looks like in terms of the engagement from here on out. So I don't know if the committee has had chance to discuss that or with staff or not, but I'm just curious if you can comment on that. I will just project a bit on the process that we used when we lasted a TOT increase. And that was working initially with some leadership in the visitor industry. And then they're taking a lot of responsibility of setting up meetings and communicating with the smaller properties and where they might have more credibility than us marching in. And it was a good communication back and forth. I will say we asked them, what are your primary concerns about Santa Cruz? They say housing and homelessness just like everybody else does. So I think we're pretty aligned on the key issues. And it's just a matter of understanding the demands on city budget and how we are allocating our funds and so forth. They were genuinely interested and wanted to know more. Yeah. And I think the, you know, specifically around safety and security, there's a lot of comments around that. So it sounds like there would be, it's kind of envisioned that a similar, possibly a similar type of process would be initiated. Great. Thank you. I would just add the Visit Santa Cruz director has specifically requested that and so we're now just working on figuring out what that format would look like and looking to pass cases where this has happened and so we do intend to do that and also continue to engage with the community about the kind of how, what we might do to direct funding related to either a resolution or a dedicated tax proposal measure. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Unless there are no additional questions, we'll see if any members of the community want to address us on this item. This is item number 13 in our general business agenda. Please step forward and you'll have up to two minutes. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Santa Cruz. It's pretty easy to pass a tax where most people don't have to pay it. They don't seem to mind that. But anyway, I strongly demand throwing out any idea of a massive increase real estate transfer tax in this entirety as your efforts to justify it linking it to problems that would be payers of that don't really face is pure indiscriminate theft. First of all, the manner and Others should have their already taxed wealth stolen by them by government to generally use as it pleases while hinting at intended uses But not actually committing to specific uses none of which benefits those taxed in such a way You'd get a different response. The loud answer would be no We may have problems, but the tax base of Santa Cruz City is not intended or appropriate to use for social programs or Problems this simple fact seems lost on the on the council Welfare is a responsibility the Fed and states since it has the proper scope of progressive income taxes that tax profit Not just steal wealth from anyone who has any which is less likely to damage the economic engine It would be gross injustice if it were In place additionally it is indifferent and arbitrary as to profit you would tax someone who has a loss on the sale of their House ridiculous. There are only 28 municipalities in California that have larger than the usual real estate Documentary transfer tax which is intended for the cost of processing deed transfer and perpetuity Which have been a morally hijacked You know this tax been a morally hijacked for hinted at purposes without actually committing to specific programs or achieving specific results Without any accounting of cost benefit out of approximately 400 plus in the state which we have not adopted this absurdity They are mostly left as strongholds who do not respect individual rights like those in Alameda County and elsewhere I see absolutely no effort whatsoever in the community to reduce costs and increase efficiency in the state in the city I'm gonna go ahead and go ahead and interrupt. You know unfortunately We didn't have the time set, but we did have your two minutes go and you're welcome as always to submit your comments Sorry for that confusion. Please. Thank you Hello, Elise Kazby. Um, I just wanted to thank you for considering the TOT tax And the real estate transfer tax. I just wanted to make a quick comment that I Could not tell that The this agenda item was going to include the TOT or and so I think sometimes it might be helpful to have Different phrasing of the agenda items or include a few more details So the uninformed public might have a better understanding of what's going to be discussed But I just wanted to just emphasize that I think at this time with the increase in Airbnb Situation where P private property owners are able to increase their incomes using their properties with a Airbnb Enhances and complicates our situation of being a tourist town And I just also want to add into the mix that with the just absolutely ballooning homeless Population around the country where homeless people are moved on That's one of the main things that's happening In cities around the country and in California in particulars because of our warmer climate I just want to say a lot of people have come into the town who are actually transients who are homeless In some ways I hate to say that because I think it Prejudice it can prejudice the issue in some ways, but what I'm trying to say is that I hope as the committee goes forward That you'll pay special attention to Airbnb and the impacts on neighborhoods that you'll pay special attention to the ballooning homeless issue and how cities across the nation are Busting people home is one of the most consistent programs that are being offered just moving people along out of their city But this there are impacts on our environment and on our communities and I just really think that this is an opportunity To help change things for the better. Thank you Well, I'm happy to make a motion and move us forward on our agenda a busy agenda today So I'll move to accept the report regarding the recent work of the city council ad hoc revenue committee and Continue with the city council ad hoc revenue committee and extend its time frame through June 30, 2020 We have a motion by council member Myers seconded by vice mayor Cummings further comment comes member crumb Would you consider a friendly amendment that we add another member to the to the committee? I? believe I Believe the committee's been working Pretty efficiently, so I'd like to stick with the committee of structure Would I have to make a separate motion to that as an amendment to the main motion? I Think what we could do is vote on that and if you want to maybe make a separate motion that would be I have a question regarding that whether or not that's been discussed I think that what would be good is if The members of the committee, you know bring back if they would want an additional member to the committee to Additional member add it to that committee. I think that that would be appropriate so that they can make the determination given that they've been doing all the work I'll just say I we have not discussed it as a committee as I said before I'm amenable to having a third person on this subcommittee or come committee. Sorry and But I also we haven't discussed it and so I'm Kind of agnostic but I I've said I would support it if that was the will of the council So as a potential next step and then maybe I'll have vice mayor Cummings Maybe it could be explored that if they want to bring back in a recommendation to add a third member They could do that Is that does that need to be I'm not sure that needs to be part of the motion? I think it the intent is clear Yeah, okay. All right. Great. So all those in favor, please say I'm I any opposed. Okay. That passes unanimously and For your committed work Okay, we'll go ahead and move on to item number 14 in our agenda and that's our general plan and zoning ordinance reconciliation effort and We have the butler here as well as Welcome Good afternoon mayor and council members. I will stall for a minute while Sarah pulls up the report Back in August of this year the council provided direction for us to Cease the prior corridors rezoning effort and to reengage in various community groups and We have embarked upon that effort the initial stages of that. We also have Started we have submitted for a grant associated with developing objective standards for our multifamily districts and Sarah now has the presentation ready and she can give you all the details surrounding our current status And we has done a nice job summarizing so Excuse me, and I am going to just go through What has gotten us to this point and then bring you up to speed and what we've accomplished in the last month since our prior update so we are working under direction from August 27th to Cease work on the prior effort to implement the general plan Locally known as the corridors plan the new project will preserve and protect residential neighborhood areas and existing city businesses As the city's number one priority Encourage appropriate new residential and mixed-use developments specifically including enhanced affordable housing opportunities at appropriate locations along the city's main transportation corridors and Among a couple of other things like reporting back every month allow the city council to adopt zoning and general plan amendments No later than November of 2020 so There is this Exists this mismatch between the 2030 general plan and the zoning ordinance primarily focused around the areas that are available for High-intensity mixed-use development along some of our major transportation corridors The general plan creates some new mixed-use design land use designations that were not previously part of the zoning code or the prior general plan and The land use pattern which we are currently Operating under as dictated by the general plan would focus a lot of the anticipated growth over the next Decade into areas that are already Fully developed and served by transit along our major transportation corridors, which are as listed in the general plan Water Street Soquel Avenue Ocean Street and Mission Street So again, here's our existing zoning map. You'll see the areas in pink are our Commercial areas and you'll see those focused along Water Soquel ocean and mission Here is our general plan map again. The pink is focused along water Soquel Ocean and mission and there are additionally these striped areas which are here shown not in stripes So here stripes here solid colors And the areas that are shown in the lightest color yellow Arguably could be implemented by the existing zoning. You can meet those far as under our existing height limits and density standards So the areas where we really are operating without sort of effective Zoning that can fully implement the general plan are the areas here that are shown in brown and orange So since the last time we were here, we have held a second focus group which included a whole host of folks including representatives of safe Santa Cruz, which was a group that was mentioned by name in the Direction that we received in August so I'm missing a picture. Sorry Last minute powerpoint presentation so Representatives of other community groups also attended, you know, we had some two representatives that had been on the former court or advisory committee We had architects an affordable housing developer came and just generally we had a very productive conversation about What land use should look like in Santa Cruz over the next? Few years to decades. So one of the things that came up in this meeting that was you know, that we have our staff has heard before but it was sort of interesting to hear sort of the the deep history on this is about This issue about preserving and protecting existing neighborhoods Some of the sentiment around that was really about feelings about disparate treatment between the east side and west side that is old and long-standing and probably not news to any of you, but The intensity with which those feelings were felt was sort of news to me The just that those feelings are still very present and really quite intense between the east and west side neighborhoods Regarding creating a variety regarding again still on this topic of preserving and protecting existing neighborhoods and existing city businesses Participants talked about the desire to create a variety of types of housing So rather than there are some things in the city's codes and general plans right now that really encourage Concentrating small units all together rather than allowing those small units to be like spread throughout other types of housing projects so that was sort of Curiosity to a concern from various members of the group They also wanted to see policies that allow new development to integrate with the existing neighborhood rather than forcing it to sort of standalone as its own like self-contained Project that you know has its own new community rather than being part of the broader neighborhood and community There also we were thinking about City businesses and commercial redevelopment and you know we the group did discuss there were there are probably some locations Along the corridors that are ripe for redevelopment and are just sort of waiting to be redeveloped Where the existing land is underutilized currently so There are some areas where you know new development different kinds of intensity if appropriately Appropriately designed and integrated with the neighborhood might be very well accepted by those neighbors But then there are always concerns as we bring in new development And we discussed this in context of commercial spaces, but it applies to residential spaces as well that you know new construction rents kind of come up to market rate and so any existing Discount that might be enjoyed Excuse me by a local business by virtue of being in an older building That that same benefit wouldn't be available to them in a new building so on the topic of the deaf defining sort of appropriate mixed-use development This group really talked a lot about traffic and So as new development comes in how is the traffic managed so that we don't get cut through traffic in neighborhood so that As neighbor as neighbors are trying to exit their Neighborhoods that they are experiencing an acceptable level of service at intersections And that they feel like they can still access the commercial areas that are adjacent to their neighborhoods in an effective and useful way for them and then one one participant brought up The I guess the city of San Francisco recently had it on the ballot about choosing a To focus on pedestrian Infrastructure like on Market Street. I'm gonna get this wrong now public on television They there was a they put an initiative on the ballot to really decide are we focusing on car infrastructure, are we focusing on bike and pedestrian Infrastructure, and I think it was specifically about Market Street and the voters voted and said focus on Pedestrian and bike infrastructure and focus less on cars And they were kind of wondering, you know, maybe we need something that's that clear and distinct here for Santa Cruz to really say like This is the mandate. This is how we want to focus our You know our develop our land use and transportation efforts So regarding enhanced affordable housing opportunities more so than the last group this focus group was really interested in The number of units that are created that are deed restricted income qualified affordable housing Dwelling units there was less interest in sort of like is there a definite another, you know expanded affordability level which the first group was more Interested in and brought up more for us But they they did bring up an idea for a you know a local density bonus that you know again this idea that you know are there are some areas along these corridors that are sort of ripe for redevelopment and It sounded like at least from that group that was there that additional intensity Could might be appropriate and in fact might even be desirable if it gets us this high a higher number of units included That are deed restricted income qualified affordable housing so this second group also had the benefit of meeting, you know after the governor had signed the housing crisis act of 2019 SB 330 which as we have discussed here before is a state bill that really limits the Standards and criteria that a local government used to regulate development and to influence the intensity and density of youth that's created on a property so With this focus group we were able to have a conversation that was informed knowing that that was in place so The focus group was very interested in you know creating objective design standards to get in place sort of as promptly as possible Which we have we are working on next slide And you know I want to be clear with your counsel with the public and we were clear with the focus group You know proceeding down this path towards developing objective Design standards for our zoning code does not preclude us at any point from taking a left turn and saying you know Or splitting the path really honestly it would be splitting the path because we're going to continue on that route of creating objective design standards But we always have this option of like splitting off on a path that says you know we also want to Take a look at these maps and look at where this intensity is this development capacity and think about how we might rearrange it throughout The city this would involve a general plan amendment and that would be a Significantly broader and deeper community outreach process It could depending on how that happens require a little to a lot of additional environmental review also in terms of you know traffic studies and any other sort of sensitive areas that might be affected by relocating that intensity and Then by necessity that would be a much longer process. So and there would be a cost associated with that obviously as well so that's just Doing one project doesn't preclude doing the other and I want to be really clear about that We haven't said no we can't do that. We are saying we're going to start by working towards this goal of having objective design standards in place as soon as we can So Since the meeting we have also completed the SB 2 grants of middle per your council's direction in October That project will be focused on creating objective design standards for multi-family housing projects. So that would include Exclusively residential projects as well as mixed-use multi-family residential projects and as we're envisioning it now We would be sort of relying on the exist the categories that are created in the existing general plan And then when it comes time to apply those zoning codes again, that would be another opportunity to say like You know, are we applying these in the right place that we want to be like, you know Choosing different locations for them. So that was submitted at the end of October. We've had staff level approval confirmed by the state So now it's you know with financing and we got them our tax ID number and all that stuff So we are working on the RFP to have that go out sort of ASAP so that we can start collecting All those good ideas that come with proposals when we you know when we request them from clever consultants So with that our recommendation at this point is that you accept your council accept a monthly report on the general plan and zoning ordinance Reconciliation effort and we are available for questions Thank you for your presentation in the work and the update. Um, does the council have questions councilor Browne? I Actually don't have questions. I don't think I have questions at the moment I but I am prepared to make a motion when the time is appropriate and wonder if the members of the public want to weigh in at all if anyone's here Any questions, maybe and then we'll go ahead and open it up to public. Yeah I was just wondering was there any general areas of agreement amongst the group of where? Development with a consensus where development should take place like for example downtown or somewhere else in So the I mean the direction that we have from the 27th says to focus development along the corridors So honestly we didn't ask that question about where should it go There there was some discussion and I'm going to draw from both focus groups at this point There was some discussion about You know, are there other areas of the city that are well served by transit that perhaps should be Re-designated that are currently designated single family Are there are there ways in which these the the existing sort of corridors might be like widened and we consider some lands that's Behind the parcels that front right onto the corridor So there have been like ideas about other places where you know development capacity might be Sort of reallocated versus those specific parcels. I mean, I think all of those ideas though They really need to be part of a big community process You know like we've talked with people who were involved with the prior effort, which is the direction we're working under And I think you know as we've seen that that that prior effort missed a lot of folks, you know I mean, I think there's a lot of a lot of constituencies that weren't specifically targeted and consulted so Also, it's our first place to start so I do hear hear what you're saying. So yeah, I mean, I think Downtown along the corridors, I think there's general consensus that those places are going to redevelop and it does make sense that an amount of development happens there and This question of are there other places where it also makes sense I don't know that there was generally consensus there were different ideas that were kind of tossed around but We weren't trying to pin anybody down exactly so we didn't get to exactly Do Bay Street do High Street, you know move it to Seabright. We didn't get to that kind of level of detail or the West Side industrial lands You know that didn't come up in our meetings First off I'm glad you all were able to get that SB2 grant proposal off because that it's going to be good additional funding for that Process, so thank you all for that and thank you for the presentation. The one question. I just had is Around kind of what are there any next steps currently to doing more community outreach? so Our next steps at this point are around getting a consultant on board to start with those and one of the things That's going to be that we're we're already putting in our RFP is that Equity and community outreach is a goal of the process, so we're we I it's really important to us that Equity be a goal of the outcome as well as of the process itself that we make sure that All these various constituencies are consulted You know by name so that so that's kind of where we are right now with in terms of community outreach We as staff weren't planning to do any more community outreach until we have a consultant. That's part of the project. Thank you Mr. Myers, I had just a question about Sorry, I'm looking at the staff report right now Is the is the state providing? I mean I can't imagine that we're not we're not we're not the only Community that's sort of getting woken up by SB 330 in terms of sort of I'm just curious like I'm thinking of a jurisdiction that may be in the middle of their general plan process for example Is the state providing? I you know, so this is a five kind of a five-year time period is the state providing any guidance such that You know this this problem that you're describing right now with You know kind of running two parallel processes possibly reopening or doing a general a man general plan amendment I mean all of those things can take many years Frankly especially in our community because we're a very active community. So I'm just curious You know if there's any guidelines or guidance coming out of the state on some of these possible Conflicts as communities are making their way through this See anything I haven't seen anything Excuse me coming out of the state. It's you know so new that I Haven't seen guidelines coming out of the state yet We are anticipating another round of grant funding next year that some communities will be applying to Efforts such as this I will tell you that I am hoping to bring that to the council with Recommendation for using that money. It's about three hundred thousand dollars and spring or mid of next year is when they'll become available and That would be going towards our next housing element. So we do have our next housing element cycle Coming up in just the next few years. We'll be getting our rena allocation within the next year or so and With that will then need to embark on an update to our housing element. And so they have recognized that They need to fund some of these planning efforts, which is great with it being so new We're not necessarily seeing specific guidelines or at least I haven't seen specific guidelines yet at this point But I do expect HCD will be coming out with with some things in the near future and of course there will be case law that is Undoubtedly going to come out of the Recent bills that took effect early this year and the ones that are taking effect as of January 1. So I would just request Martin and Especially if we could make sure our state lobbyist is kind of tracking if there's any any legislation that's spinning up You know due to the fact that jurisdictions are now starting to do this work So whether that might be flexibility in your general, you know, just you never know I mean, I'm sure that you know, there will be other jurisdictions that are coming up against community Worry communities about what their communities will look like in the in the future So if we could also just make sure that our lobbyist is really on top of this to see if there's any bills that might spin up that Sort of further refine or provide direction based on 330 I think that would be great. Thank you Okay, why don't we go ahead and see if there's any member of the community who wants to address this on this item This is item number 14 in our agenda packet. Please come forward I Well, I actually think this is a really exciting moment in Santa Cruz because even though the Basically the voting down of the corridors plan was extremely difficult and hard on certain groups in the community. I Think that it's it's what it is actually is an opportunity as This staff person whose name Sarah I Just said that It affords a lot of Inclusion I can't talk today opportunities for inclusion of greater community input and discussion So what I would like to add to the discussion is first of all Since I went to the College of Environmental Design for three semesters in Boulder back in the Dark Ages When I was young and a Lot of the really interesting environmental Designs sustainable designs and so forth have really been repressed by what I'll just call general conservative trends in the community that have to do with a multinational corporate power And so forth so to try to get to where I'm going with this I would like to say that I Firmly believe that huge sectors in our community can find reconciliation and compromise in really creative design planning and that there are Community planners and designers around the country and I'm going to mention just one his name is Mark Lakeman And he was brought in here to give a presentation at Loudon Nelson And so he's just one Who he his family history is in urban planning and design? I really believe that a lot of the density that we want and need as well as Just just greater sustainability and more inclusion can be achieved. Thank you. Thank you very much We'll go ahead and then seeing no other public comment return back for council action council member Brown Yeah, so think I want to thank staff again for continuing to provide us with Updates and information about how you're approaching the direction we gave you and just really appreciate that you Went out and have done these focus groups and provided a really detailed Feedback about that those meetings which are very helpful to me in hearing What people in the community have to say I was particularly? Excited to see that one of the One of the main foci of the The second focus group was really about Thinking about ways to incentivize In return for increased density affordable housing units low-income housing deed restricted units because that was kind of one of the primary Goals that I had in originally bringing this to the council And so I think that I just want to make a couple of comments before and I have a Motion I want to accept the report you've given us and and provide a little bit further direction to take a baby step Towards getting some additional information I Think you know, I've been here. We've been hearing a lot about the motion that was made. It's been out It's been discussed in the media and the public and you know, I want to remind us all that when the corridors plan was Discussed and approved That was before the density bonus law was was adopted by the state of California and The density bonus law Essentially allows for as much density along the Soquel water high density mixed use Corridors the district as the general plan as amended for the quarters would would permit so I I Feel like we're you know, we're kind of talking about this Idea that we're kind of killing the plan and no development is ever going to be able to happen And that it was I don't believe that's the intention. I do recognize that the That SB 330 requires that we the Housing Accountability Act for folks listening requires that we not reduce density without transferring it to elsewhere in the city's general plan So Given that and I given I my interpretation of the feedback the agenda report suggests that The focus group recognized that challenge in your discussion about SB 330 and Seem to be supportive of the potential for reallocating densities in other locations other configurations I think it would be helpful for us to get some additional information about that and so I want to make a motion that We accept the staff report With much gratitude And you put that in there and direct the Planning Department staff to analyze One and it's up here for folks who so we can be really clear about what we're talking about One the number of units that would need to be transferred from the water soquel high density mixed-use district to retain the current zoning ordinance densities If we just focus on those that area I don't know and it would be interesting just to find out what number what that looks like and to To analyze properties Where are spaces where transfer densities might be appropriate in the downtown properties on the far west side in other areas of the city or in alternative configurations and So that's the motion second. Thank you. Thank you. Did you want to say one more thing? I You know I recognize that when we discussed this previously The when staff brought this forward as a possible option for the council Routes for us to take that there was discussion about the kind of extensive process and the you know time can time and resource Resources that would be necessary to achieve this so I I wanted to include at the end of this though so as part of the motion if the second or Would accept that to return to the council with a status report in January 2020 about how this might be how you might pursue this information gathering and community Engagement process whatever you think might be necessary to move in that direction So that would be helpful I think for us once we see what the What the numbers look like and what the density that would need to be transferred While I will just remind us potentially achieving the same goals in as as we're adopted in the corridors planning process for the the corridors the water soquel mixed-use district so So that's my I'll leave it there Okay, I just have a I have a quick a question for clarification from the staff. Is that essentially the path to The reconciliation and sort of reopening of the general plan Essentially is this is this because what the information eventually would lead to would be potentially the path that you describe Is that feel accurate? Or and or is that maybe the intent so so the information I mean so we can bring back information and that can lead Wherever your council chooses If you want to move forward with actually then redistributing that development capacity to other places in The city we are going to advocate really strongly that that the choice about where those Locations are not be made in City Hall that it be made out in the community And we would really want to engage in a pretty hefty community process around you know We have X amount of development capacity which is approximately X number of Y number of units And where does it belong? I mean that's that's a major general plan update which is a useful process to do right? We update our general plan on a regular basis because it's a useful document to have and to make sure that we all Sort of feel comfortable in the values that underpin it You know relocating that density to or that development capacity I should say to places that are not along the corridors Would require changes to the general plan that go beyond simply the maps I mean that gets into the policies and the values and the vision right so that There are a range of ways that that could go and so I think Developing that information and sort of talking about you know what if we accept that like the the medium density mixed use designation can be fully implemented by our CC zone district and that essentially will we accept that there's not a In terms of capacity. There's no mismatch there There's a tiny little bit of a mismatch in terms of the uses that are allowed but that's sort of secondary Um, so so if we accept that we're just really talking about these areas on the map that are dark brown or orange You know in the general plan map If we're looking at places to reallocate that density, that's that hue closely to the areas where they already are So maybe it's like taking the corridors and going back a little bit Maybe it's you know elsewhere along some of these existing corridors extending further north or south than our Our environmental review would be less intense, you know, because it would largely have already been sort of considered But then if we're talking about you know redistributing it to really other parts of the city Then we're gonna get into that environmental review as well So again, I mean I think we can definitely we can return with this information Information can allow you to make whatever choice you want to make then at that point being informed with a different level of Certainty about what we're discussing. Okay. Thank you long answer Other comments or questions These are for clarifications on this motion if the Reallocation would result would would still sustain the same Number of units now allowed through the density bonus. What's the need for transferring the numbers? You understand where I'm going with that question Underlying zoning with density bonuses now Apparently equals what was anticipated through the corridor plan rezoning So aren't they the same? So I think the distinction yes, that's that's the distinction so in order to utilize the density bonus Project developer would need to provide deeper levels of affordability or a higher number of affordable units and so that in exchange for that they would have You know up to a 35% density bonus of course as of January 1st 100% affordable projects could get a substantial no no density limit with additional heights and Three three additional stories beyond what's allowed and 33 feet And no density if they're within a half mile of a major transit stop so that aside just a standard Residential development or mixed use development project would have to provide the deeper levels of affordability in order to get that same level of density But my point being the massing could be more or less comparable the massing could be comparable Yes, I have a couple of other questions, too. That was just the information thing As I look at the motion it does not affect Potential projects along ocean or mission do I understand that correctly? Yes, okay I Will point out that downtown is already Significantly rezoned to accommodate a lot more density, which we all know But it's not obvious to the public just looking at downtown as it is, but there are Quite a few projects in the works now So I think I think it's not it would not be a matter of transferring from the east side to downtown because downtown already Has been designated for hundreds and hundreds of units. Is that a correct statement? So downtown has been designated and the height limits that we have downtown are essentially the the height that developers would currently go to so Right now the building code building code allows for wood frame construction of I've stories over two levels of concrete podium And there are some loft areas in what could be a six-story, but aren't technically considered a six-story But it it caps out at 85 feet under wood frame construction developers aren't going to go to 90 feet or a hundred feet or even 110 feet and Use steel construction at this point in time. However coming down the pipeline there are Engineered lumber standards or Treated lumber standards that are already being utilized in Vancouver British Columbia, for example that we expect to get folded into the building code. And so there may be some Slight increment of additional development capacity that in the coming years becomes feasible in our downtown based on those new Building code standards that allow for wood frame construction at higher at higher heights But for now, but for now and that's my my third point is that Infill occurs over a pretty long time frame So it's not like everything's going to be different in two years, right? And if I may you know, there is also the potential for Like the south of Laurel area, you know when we're talking about the downtown I think we traditionally think about the downtown plan area and there certainly are additional options if we're looking to the north or the south of the downtown Consumer Brown than customer buyers so Just a couple of comments, and I think that other areas of the city kind of I included that in there to cover this that there may be Places that are not if we use the traditional definitions of downtown Maybe left out. So that's why that was included in terms of the density bonus though I want to clarify something because The my understanding is and let me know if I'm off base here, but my understanding is that if we rezone to the 55 units per acre that's included in the The corridors plan in the general plan for the corridors from 40 units per acre that Then a density bonus would mean 75 75ish units per acre potentially in those spaces and if we Don't do the rezoning the 35% density bonus on top of the 40 units per acre would lead would be 54 So one unit less per acre. So that so I'm talking about close to doubling the density on the corridors if we if we proceed as According to the general plan and and then have to comply with state law That's what that's what I think Would be possible here And that's why that's the difference. I guess Trying to respond to your question council member Matthews So I'm going to try to respond and try to not get too complex because the new state laws Are very complex and so AB 31 94 which took effect as of January 1st of this year Actually mandates that cities allow what is allowed by the general plan Even if it's inconsistent with the zoning and so I would agree with most of what you said and I have to caveat it a little bit because Right now a developer could come in and build to the general plan density and We would be obligated to accommodate that so That's the that's the only sort of caveat if we when you're saying rezone We would also have to concurrently drop the general plan designation down and then reallocate however many units Are the Delta between the current GP and the future GP under SB 330? We would reallocate those to other locations Concurrently in order to stay in conformance with the state law is that Hope clarify things. So I think I think If I could just summarize what Lee said he's saying that The general plan governs and that's in place today Developer could come in today and build to that density They could apply for a density bonus on top of that density that is in today's general plan. So there is nothing You know, you know, we're not protected from that by not having zoning in place that Conforms with the general plan. So just so that's That's clear Any other questions before I open it up to public comment? Think I'll Sorry No, I'd like to hear from the public. No, we did the public comment. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Forgive me We already did that any other clarifying questions. I have one clarifying in terms of the timeline does Gathering the data by January feel You know possible or in terms of your other workload or yeah I mean, I think the we can come to the second meeting in January I think that's to in terms of just having the information available to have a discussion. We will there will be no public outreach You can get that and then We could have a whole big list of places of alternatives, but again, I'm I a staff I'm gonna be really cautious about predetermining anything, you know, I mean really that's a community conversation that would be had Okay, great. I can't remember. Yeah I just want to state that I I understand the intent of the motion and the and the additions These are questions that we do need to to ask I just feel like we've got it just by putting one and two down I think we've gotten out ahead of our community already and so I'm I'm not gonna support this motion not because I don't think these are important things to look at but I think that Especially with number two, I just I think we need to do more outreach I mean, I understand the neighborhood's concerns over on the east side and I I wouldn't be surprised if some of the concerns pop up anywhere else that we put this density so I Think our community really needs to understand what the state is is asking of communities now and I'm not sure that doing this work is going to solve anything that's different than what The issues with the corridor plan except that it's gonna feel like Okay, you know, there was an advocate for this part of town and now we've put it over to this side of town So I just think this is premature. I I would like to just Figure out a way to to be more inclusive and communicative about all the questions that we're asking I think they're all valid questions, but I I'm not gonna be able to support these changes to the motion today Any other comments from council members any other questions? One quick comment because I actually really You know, I'm absolutely I share those concerns councilmember Myers and I I get it that We're gonna need to do a lot of community outreach I think part of this response is not simply being an advocate for the east side But really advocating for a community engagement process that had it happened previously We might not be here where we're at today. So I agree with you that that needs to happen and when it comes to the question of moving density around you know, I think that We also need to look at where the density currently is right I mean, they're we're talking about some areas of town have much lower per acre zoning And per acre density is in the general plan than this area. So So I think that needs to be, you know thought about and discussed as well Any other council comments? Yes, it gets back to how deep into a general plan revision are we going here? That's yet to be seen. I think one understanding what the Delta is under number one here and then two Hearing from the community, I think Sarah expressed one of the things that we heard just in our first two outreach meetings Which was maybe we go lower on the corridors themselves, but then have a wider transition area down to the neighborhoods Something like that may not require a substantial amount of policy revisions in the general plan Although it would require changes to the map It also would limit the amount of sequer review that's needed We would still need to look carefully at that, but it would have a Smaller differentiation than would be the case if we were reallocating that density to elsewhere throughout the city Did you have a follow-up on that's interesting, but that's not what's in this motion here Alternative Okay, at the end of the motion alternative configurations means Properties who are transferred densities Other areas or alternative configurations along the existing corridor I put that to the maker of the motion. I think this I if I may interrupt here I think that there are a lot of ways that we can read the wording of this motion and we can bring you back with a lot of options that we have heard thus far from the community and I will just be upfront when we bring that back. We're gonna say this has not gone through a community process This is just a palette of ideas that have been generated thus far by the people with whom we have already spoken so You know, all of that would come with the copy out of you know, we haven't reached out to renters or students or The Employees who don't live in town. So, you know all of that stuff I would want to you know, we would want to include if we got into a deep amendment of our general plan I think that's appropriate and Responsibility of our community to be involved at that level of depth. So I Am okay with bringing back this information and leaving it to your council to decide then again about how deep do we want to go? Right, this is always the privilege of your position is to decide how deep do we want to go with this? How long do we want to spend on it? How much money is it gonna cost and what are our other? You know competing priorities. Oh, well if I could just ask the maker of the motion if you would include in that because it Doesn't look like that's the intent now would be to say in alternate configurations along the existing corridor As you talked about people seem pretty willing to think well, maybe it's lower but deeper From the very limited Or but also alternative configurations where we have good transit, you know We Bay Street has really good transit service and a lot of Bay Street is owned for single family uses You know, I mean that and I you know that would require a lot of consultation with the communities, right? That's That's not an insignificant change to make to the current plan and and just if I could and then I'll shut up Along Bay Street, they're all little single family parcels Whereas some of the others quarters have larger opportunity sites existing that make more sense. That is yes I mean, and that's what generated the current plan. Yes I'm wondering if it did you have a question I wonder if because I I hear the concerns and I Share some of the concerns that were raised by council member Myers if the maker of the motion would split them the two Areas I'm interested in the data, but I do fear we would go way beyond where we want to be Without going through that vetting of what are the opportunity cause? How are we engaging the community within the second area? So if that would be? Accepted I'll go ahead and ask that we split the motion It's fine with me just in response the you know number two is really about bringing us a status report on you know Not predetermining but how that process would go where are some of the Possible places where we might start to engage in that outreach so but it's fine with me to split it Okay, I just wanted to clarify that that is my intention Okay, so we'll go ahead and split it. So for the first bullet all those in favor, please say aye. Hi any opposed and For the second bullet all those in favor, please say aye. Hi any opposed? No No, and so that passes with councilor Brown vice mayor Cummings crone and lever voting in support Matthews Myers and myself voting against and all those in favor of the timeline. Is that what you need? When you say bullet do you mean one? Second one the one that should be a two Okay, and they are unless there's any area around challenges with the With the timeline, we'll go ahead and have consensus on that. Okay. Okay, great. All right. Thank you. Thank you Hey moving right along to get to our All of our items on our afternoon session. We have item number 15 on our council meeting Genda and I don't know if our city clerk needs to finish up What we were just voting on before you introduce it. Okay, and this is the resolution to certify the county clerk's Re-competition results and the placement of that on our ballot Do we have come mr. Kandadi speaking to this or do we have okay? Okay? Unless you want to but I did send you guys an email today to hopefully answer any questions But this is basically just a ministerial act The pet the petitions are already going on the ballot. This is just determining which ballot they go on This is to consolidate with the March 3rd election if you guys do not adopt this today The county clerk can just put it on the ballot Any other election besides March 3rd will be deemed a special election which will cost us any More money than if we had it on the March 3rd Any questions any questions I Will be able to do a calculation of how much just having this particular initiative on is will cost the city I Don't think there's any way to break it down at two to four dollars a voter And we already have two ballot measures on it So just you know the more items we put on the high But I don't think they can break it down my understanding from County elections official is that the the cost of consolidating with the city election is Determined on a per registered voter basis but having More than one measure on the ballot doesn't increase the cost I think it does But I just that's my understanding is it gets closer to four dollars The more items because you have more ballot materials mail out you have more But it's within the range of two to four dollars for better. Okay On some recover. Thanks, and just to clarify what we mentioned before if we don't certify this or Vote to put it on the ballot then it would get deferred to the county and either way It'll be associated with the March 3rd ballot or that'll push it to a special election well, they would probably put it on the March 3rd ballot because they Want to have one election as opposed to back-to-back Nice Americans Questions for the city attorney. I was just wondering for the public's interest if you might be able to just explain a little bit, you know how this process works in terms of You know voting on this today. There's people who are going to be running for different seats and People are going to be voting either in favor of the recall I think there might be some confusion in the community as to how this process works And so I was just wondering if you could just briefly go over that Sure thing. So first of all as The city clerk mentioned this is a ministerial action by law The measure is required to go to the voters if it Obtains sufficient signatures in the petition gathering to qualify for the ballot. So that's that's part one Part two is that for a recall election? It's really a two-step process first is a question and the and the ballot language that's Contained in the resolution Bears this out. There's the first question is whether or not the council member should be recalled And then if that question is answered in the affirmative by a majority of the voters Then the second question is there are a list of candidates between now and December 9th. I bill 19th Members of the public who are registered to vote will have the opportunity to Submit ballot or submit their names for your consideration on the on the ballot In so then the second question would be The of those who submitted which Candidate for the replacement receives the largest number of votes the highest vote getter would would serve out the duration of the term of the council member who is recalled and There are two separate questions and members of Candidates can file for either Office but not both. So the same person can't put their name in for both seats Did you have anything to add okay any other questions? I just want to make sure I did I just want to make sure I didn't mishear you. Do you see your favor the recall? No, I said that I asked the question of could the city attorney explain this process How does this work for the general public at knocking sideways? I was like what? Thank you There aren't any additional Questions we'll go ahead and hear from the public. Is there any member of the public that wants to address the council on this item? This is item number 15 on our agenda. Please come forward. You'll have up to two minutes Council members. I think it's important that everybody understand how this came about the Rose report was in employed to investigate 11 or so Allegations of misconduct on a part of two council members and only two of them were sustained and That Sustention pivoted around one council member's personal experience that would be council member Myers and From that We've had two groups in town who have gone out collecting signatures with varying levels of Mendacity don't get to use that word often Lies and dam lies were used to coerce people into Signing the petitions The signatures were submitted and I'm sure that the signatures were verified But we have a complaint that's been filed with the Secretary of State regarding unfair campaigning practices on the part of the signature gathers and we are following up with further evidence that some of the signature gathers were underaged and If this proves to be true, there will be a whole bunch of signatures that should be thrown out and so I would say that The citizens of this community need to be very careful in how they evaluate How this came to be because it's bogus My name is Ralph Tunstall. I'm as a street musician and performer Person that has advocated for people like myself to be able to do what we do is been drew he's made meetings with us and With the situations being as volatile as they've been a being downtown Rules changing one day not knowing what's going on. The only person that I've had that I feel has been an advocate for Me and people like me has been drew. I mean like we were having a meeting and someone came up and asked specific questions about that and Not only was he ready with answers that weren't like rehearsed But it was a personal thing that we got to experience that this is someone we know Advocates for street performers people that I mean I got pth A little ptsd last winter sleeping on the streets down here, but I'm one of those people who I've been blessed and I've gone through the system. I've stayed at the Coral Street I've went to an assault Lee. I've been through this the whole system But it's not as easy as people think it is so, you know a lot of things that he has advocated for for us future so I Just wanted to say on his behalf that death. I think that this is completely a waste of time and money. Thanks This is disappointing. I voted for Drew Glover and Justin Cummings in 2018. They represent me I'm a progressive. I'm queer and I live in Santa Cruz and most importantly. I'm poor My first job was as a janitor and I've never gotten paid more than $16 an hour and that was for a very short amount of time I own one pair of shoes. They're on my feet The attempted removal of Drew Glover is a coup They want to remove me and people like me. They want to steal our voices from us They don't consider us civil enough dignified enough or important enough to listen to We chose drew for the precise reason you were trying to remove him He calls out negligence elitism and mortal moral failings. He does not let them sit and fester He hosts weekly meetings in which the community can come together and discuss pressing issues and ask difficult questions He moves to extend our time to speak while some would like to shorten it I'll read you a quote If not for my gender if I were a man, they would not question my integrity There would not be this question of my character That's a quote from the mayor and I would like to respectfully disagree You are elected officials and no one is above scrutiny when they are an elected official Regardless of gender race sexual orientation anything none of you are above it. None of you are above questioning The decisions you make are life and death You should be encouraging people to question you Asking difficult questions is the first step to understanding and people who demand that they never be questioned Are people who fear being understood for who they truly are Hi, Elise casby My basic Proposition today is that the community and all of us elected? Well, I'm not elected, but you are all of us activists and elected officials and as many people as possible Scrutinize the legal and illegal aspects that have already happened in this recall I think that this is an important case in the united states and the reason is is that The groups that are waging this recall are absolutely real estate developer multinational corporate speculatory real estate interests and it is about big money and it's also about small private residential owners property owners and i'm sorry who are aligned with very greedy And hostile elements that are taking apart our city and so this is about big corporate money It's about corporate personhood and it is about absolutely illegal activity every step of the way through. Let me just iterate some The recall itself It is absolutely being misused is a recall a democratic platform. Yes, it is But the basis of the recall needs to be substantiated Every important allegation in the rose report went unsubstantiated That censoring did not happen because it was inappropriate and unfair It was also hostile the use of the commission on the prevention of violence against women was egregious and hostile The slander and the defamation of character that is happening here Needs to be backed up with legal action We need to look at the constitutional elements of this and if we have to set a precedent in this city To call out this egregious horrible and especially deceptive Where no malfeasance On the part of clever drones been substantiated absolutely needs to happen i'm robert endicott keller and um Last year this time I was homeless and I was battling with addiction. I was on my way to jail And um, I've been poor my whole life um Today my life is amazing and it's because of the Investment I would say that drew Glover has put into my life Uh personally and into the the causes that actually can help me pull out of out of being that way um The time he spends he was coming into jail and talking to us in jail The timing listens to us. I think it's important that like if you are if you are if you're poor And you suffer with uh, you struggle with recidivism And you have addiction problems and you have our homes experiencing homelessness Drew Glover is your man and I think it's messed up that you guys are trying to take our voice He's our voice. He speaks for us There's a group of us out here that are like struggling We're doing our part, but we we need you guys to accept us and um drew listens to us. He invests his time his personal time Uh, he listened. I mean, that's all I got right now, but thank you I just want to say I feel really sad about this. Um I have nothing but the deepest respect for both council member Glover and council member crone I see how deeply they both care about issues that concern the community And I've just heard a few people from the community speak specifically about that and I've experienced that myself Uh, I don't live in Santa Cruz, but I call this my community and I I feel their integrity So I feel sad that this is happening and I feel especially distressed that And and sympathetic what what it must feel like to have to vote for this today Or or be have to even have the up I don't know if they will vote on it or rescind their votes or whatever, but that there's that Need to even do that um So I guess if there were I always look for some positive in anything and I think if the only two things I could think of Is it shown the division in our community? And how that we don't listen to each other and how there's you know, it's brought lots of things forward this recall And the other thing that is positive, I think it's brought a lot of us together In a much deeper way in the fighting the recall seeing learning more about each other really Coming together in ways that I've I have never experienced before the groups that I'm part of are extremely beautiful People share deeply from their heart and I see that we're all going to go out and support you In uh defeating this vote so My heart goes out to both of you my support. Thank you Nate alex dot kennedy at gmail.com 346 9 8 8 8 What I've got to say is drew has got to be one of the coolest guys I've ever met in my whole life He's very relaxed very honest I mean Is that what this recall really is all about that we've got a honest politician that doesn't bow down to corruption That's what it feels like and chris. You're a pretty pretty darn cool guy, too so uh Anyway, I I just I hope when this gets to the ballad that people that it will lose by a long shot just One one of the guys I ran across that was getting signatures to read for this recall Straight up admitted to me that the only reason he was doing it is because they were paying so much money for every single signature I don't know what that exact figure is, but I know it's up there. I think it was like 10 or even more um And yes a lot of these guys collecting these signatures only because it paid so much let's see uh chris drew sandy Justin you guys are all really good friends of mine and uh Let's see with the last 30 seconds. I got here. I'll say can you come to me and So we can meet up again that number for anybody listening eight three one three four six nine eight eight eight And I'll give the last 20 seconds for the next guy Good afternoon council members. Um rick lon genotti I'm remembering last january when the council uh In the face of a lot of public opposition to passing just cause of fiction ordinance that you all decided That you would want to investigate a stakeholder committee a task force to study protections for renters and The center for consensus and collaboration was engaged and dave seppos from that group came back to you in june and said, um You know, there were some obstacles to moving forward with the kind of Stakeholder process and one of the obstacles was the conflict on the council and the other was the recall and he said I feel sorry for this city because You're about to go on a war footing for the next two years he talked about um a cycle of of conciliation and a cycle of retaliation and We're still in this cycle of retaliation um I think our planet's still in the cycle of retaliation Uh, but there are seeds of conciliation everywhere Everywhere in all our hearts Because that's what we really want I think what we need to do is trust that there are processes to Unite us even around the thorniest issues such as tenant protections and homelessness issues If we trust that then we won't resort to the recall I think that the recall results from a lack of trust that we can really solve problems So just take people out of the office and that'll solve it But you know, I know we know that that doesn't really work So as as you are leaders all leaders of this community Um, can you please set an example to get us on the road to the cycle of conciliation? Thank you Hi, my name is michael cambell. I'm recently A resident of santa cruz. I've come from virginia beach. I'm from the east coast love it there, but Not a place for me to live I've been all across the country I've never found love like I found here in santa cruz I have not gotten and I have not been able to get help This man right here walks up to me and talks to me. We sit down and we have Coffee at santa cruz roasting company and we sit down and we talk about how People here in the community homeless people can actually help we talked about a um Homeless to house type project where you could do multi skilled people that can Like say someone's a carpenter. Someone's a frame or someone's a plumber you get all them to work together And get the community together with it and you can all build a lot cheaper more efficiently less homeless more jobs it's It helps with keeping people that are addicted clean because if you give someone something to do They're not going to want to relapse. They're going to want to step forward and get help and with droog lover He's trying to help I do appreciate everything that you do bro I appreciate that everything that all of you do And thank you very much. Y'all have a great day. God bless Are there any other members of the community who want to address us on this topic? Okay, you'll be our last Hi, my name is james whitman. I've been a resident in this county since 1993 Resident of the santa cruz area about the last six years Been coming to the city council meetings. Maybe the last three and a half months I have more familiarity With the santa cruz county court system than I ever wanted to Um Been a builder for about 30 years. I guess my hands have personally been on Between five and seven billion dollars worth of projects I usually come in and fix stuff at the end So I guess I'm somewhat of a real estate developer um Something that I see with drew and chris Is they actually come in at some point during these meetings and make things happen and bring money into the city So i'm just really frustrated that this is happening because I would really rather focus my attention in other areas. Thank you Good afternoon. I'm scott ram. Um, this is a very sad day for the city The I realized that you know, the state law allows for recalls but this recall Started out with a bunch of lies and half truths on the recall Petition itself and then the people circulating the petition Want out of their way to make things up to smear these two? council members Reputations in order to get the signatures They were out there lying to the public on a on a daily basis and It's regrettable that the rest of the council didn't stand up and say wait a minute We gotta we got to do this in a fair and equitable way. We can't have people out there smearing People's reputations making things up telling half truths That isn't that isn't democracy That's a form of fascism when you go to those Extents to try to get rid of somebody because You don't like their politics. It's not about that these guys did anything wrong. It's that just their politics That's why they have this recall it's the developers and real estate agents and greedy people basically that are behind this whole recall effort and are trying to Remove these guys from office Because they don't like their politics And that's no way to run a recall if they they want to re do a recall and do everything above board and do it honestly That's the way to do it, but they didn't do it that way They lied they cheated and they smeared these two guys reputations So we'll go ahead and return it back to council action. Um, I know bonnie bush our city clerk Describe this. This is this is primarily ministerial. This is something that we Just sort of recognized was verified by our county clerk and this is our process essentially to do To follow sort of the this this sort of guidelines around that. It's not a position one way or another Any questions council member guffer? Oh, it's a question more of a comment. It's a good time for that Um, so first of all, thank you to everyone that came out to share your perspectives. That's really heartwarming. I actually uh Teared up there for a minute Just about the words that you're using and the impact that I'm able to have on your Existence from up here on the dais. So thank you for coming to share that perspective with me and with the community There was another perspective that was shared with me In the community correspondence surrounding this item It was one of two items that came in which I found particularly intriguing and the statement reads as follows Quote recalls have become a national strategy to undo democratic elections Since the local recall petitions received adequate votes an election must be called if not by the council Then by the county clerk But none of the claims in the recall petition rise to a high enough level to strike out a fair election I would like santa cruz to be principled and not support undermining fair elections I support the council Or I suggest that the council defer to the clerk who is then bound to call an election And vote down item 15 That's according to elections code one one two four one And for people that aren't familiar with it It reads as follows if the governing body fails to issue the order within 14 days of the signature validation The county elections official within five days shall set the date for holding the election If the recall is to be voted on by voters in more than one county the election official in the county With the largest numbers of registered voters and so on since that doesn't apply to us I'd also like to point out that one of the people that has come up to speak twice to us today That has a self-proclaimed member of the recall campaign who's made it very clear here in past past meetings has recited severely problematic pre-meditated statements of right wing anti-diversity anti sustainability anti-public program rhetoric And I don't know about the rest of you up here on the dais But that is not the values of santa cruz that I know and love I think santa cruz should be a place that values and emphasizes diversity sustainability and equity And we have the ability to do that with this council right now and send a message to not validate the campaign That has been wrought with lies defamation intentional misinformation and other attempts to Cause disarray essentially in our community I believe and I hope my colleagues agree with this that we should defer the decision To the clerk and vote no on the item or to table it And so I call on one of my colleagues not being targeted by the recall to make that motion So now would be the time for a motion and um, I can't make a motion So I will open it up for a motion on this item Have a comment, um so I'm really sad and dismayed to be here Deliberating or to the extent we have that option on this issue um and I also Understand that this is a ministerial action. I understand councilmember glover What you the point you have raised is a possibility. However, I just feel like at this point we Do have a responsibility to Put this on the ballot And I can tell you now that um, and I'm not in no way does this mean that I am validating What's happening here and this will be the first last and only I vote that I'll be casting in this matter But I'm not going to make the motion Yeah, just to clarify I do it's going to go on the ballot no matter what so whether or not we make the motion and pass it tonight Or whether we don't make the motion and pass it tonight then Either way, it's going to go on the ballot. So It's not our responsibility to validate a process that has been based in fallacies misinformation and lies and I think that if we vote in support of it even if you don't agree with it To still vote in support of it validates that campaign Especially from us up here on the body because I will say it is a dangerous precedent Where a small minority of citizens Can start a citizen Petition gathering process based on lies in the first place throw massive amounts of money behind it Cover it with lies I was reported that people reported to me that they paid up to 16 dollars signature for them to come and do stuff And then now we're here So I I I can make the motion, but I would encourage one of my colleagues that's not targeted to do it Yeah, please that call and if you fail to do so then the county clerk will do it But the law does put that on you, but if you fail to do it the county clerk will do it Thank you for for clarifying Mr. Cummings, let me say that I hear a lot of the community concern around this You know this has been a really difficult year for everyone And and I respect everybody who I share this dies with You know This whole process has been Further creating divisions in our community Um, and I personally You know, it's it's been difficult being in being up here and trying to work with folks as this has been going on Um, I think that fundamentally what's underlying this is that You know if there are issues with this process then we as a community and we as a society Need to deal with the process under which this took place so finance reform Um how we can determine whether or not what people are saying on the streets are honest or not but we currently The county clerk given the the process that we currently have has validated the signatures and um As a member of this body and under the laws and the oaths that we've sworn I'll move this item. Um, so we put this on the ballot and I just hope that during this recall process or the election process that the members of our community Really understand what they're voting for and that they um And that we'll we'll figure out what's going to happen In march, so we'll see what happens after march. So I'm going to move the staff recommendation Um, I appreciate how difficult this was for you and I think we all Understand the difficulty and so in that spirit I'll second the motion To have a motion by vice mayor coming seconded by council member matthews And any further discussion customer cover Yeah, that's uh, incredibly as you can imagine that's disappointing to uh, Have someone that I ran with in 2018 to do that Also, it's strange that no one looked over to the city attorney city attorney. Let me ask you a question really quick Uh, what happens if we don't? Do it today what legal ramifications are there against us county elections official will place it on the ballot Right, but what negative legal ramifications will this body endure or uh will come come come about I really don't think it's an issue of legal ramifications, right and uh So i'm just a little confused with the rationale about it being the law When it is written in The elections code that the body cannot do it and in that case it gets transferred to the city the county clerk so The rationale behind the motion falls flat when you look at the logic with regards to legalities and our Responsibility as a committee. So just with that You which are going to do but uh, I strongly disagree just to clarify the law states that the the Governing body shall place it order it placed on the on the ballot and I and I think the fact that there's a backup plan Um included in the statutory scheme reflects the difficulty of questions just like the one that the council's grappling with right now Unless there's any further comment, we'll go ahead and maybe call call the vote all those in favor Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No Okay, so that passes with councilmember matthews vice mayor Cummings myself and Myers voting in support brown crone and clever voting against Okay, we'll take maybe a two-minute transition as we move to item number 16 in our Agenda Eight we'll go ahead and reconvene at this point. Thank you. Okay So we still have a number of items to get to before we have our afternoon break And so next on our agenda is item number 16 So if I can get your attention, we're going to go ahead and start our meeting up again Thank you very much Okay, we're going to go ahead and have it All right, if you we'll go ahead and ask that I get your attention We're going to go ahead and start our meeting up again. We have a couple more items to get to this afternoon Um And uh, we have another evening item later. So we need to Reconvene and uh get going so we are on item number 16 in our agenda packet And um, let's see. That's the ordinance for the small cells wireless Facilities And it looks like we have our presenter here joshua. Welcome. Hello. Yes. I'm joshua. Spengrude senior civil engineer republic works So, um, I have a presentation here just a few slides And this is really the same presentation you guys have seen. It's kind of how we've gotten to this point Mike went through this last time. So the new FCC ruling went through this The what what they adopted Uh, both the shot clock and how that that applies And then the aesthetic requirements Unless somebody wants me to go through those again, I think you guys have seen those numbers of times So after we came here in june We were asked to make some modifications and we convened a subcommittee with two council members and staff And the The direction of the changes that were asked for really were with regards to accommodating 88 requirements And public notification requirements. So to that end What has changed? In the ordinance itself is the rewriting of the purpose and intent the preamble section to include More reference to uh, what the why the city is compelled to go ahead and and Make these changes or to the ordinance and what our Limitations are and that we are actually trying to look out for the best interests of the city um, and then the purpose and intent section again Later on is uh, just Again to seek reasonable accommodation under the ada The permit guidelines were changed. Uh, the public notification was changed So the permit applicant has to now notify 300 or i'm sorry It went from 300 feet from the proposed installation to 1 000 feet From the proposed installation it modifies the timelines for providing public notification of permit applications um, there's a number i mean They have to notify the public within you know two days instead of five days or you know, there's there's a number of things like that I would direct you to the permit guidelines themselves And then instructions to property owners to provide notice to uh employees or people who happen to be in the property that aren't owners So that everybody within that geographical area gets the notice Then it clarifies the time window within which, uh Uh comments can be submitted to to the department And uh requires city staff to post a summary of the permit application on the city's website now We are going to be putting together a specific page on public works website specifically for this And it's it's going to have basic information location Applicants things like that, but in if if the public wants more information they can come into our department and look at the application itself if they really want to and then um lastly The fee schedule, uh the appeal fee was uh waived for For these appeals to this for this ordinance And uh really that's that's about it And then mike had some pictures of what we don't want And what we Would prefer All right, if there are any questions, I'd be happy to be happy to answer them. All right. Thank you. Any questions from the council at this time? Okay council member brown and then council. Well, oh, okay council member matthews and then council member brown I'm now looking for it, but um I did see in one of your explanations that Uh the Here it is under permit guidelines in the staff report At the end of that paragraph the notice by the applicant is now also to include a reference that a reasonable accommodation request Under the ADA or other applicable law may be directed to the city But then I think it You say somewhere else that that creates the expectation that the city will be responsible for that accommodation Well, um the expectation not the actual legal responsibility So if you could comment to that I can I can certainly comment I mean as far as the public works department is concerned We're going to review all the applications with an eye towards ADA accommodation As we always have which is in terms of clearances on sidewalks cross slopes, et cetera if um If somebody wants to appeal on other On other for other issues other reasons they can appeal to I believe the planning department has a ADA coordinator now with the city so Depending on how reasonable their request is. I mean I'm I'm not comfortable saying whether it's a lost cause or not, you know, but it's certainly a way for Residents to make their voice heard Is that I hope that answers your yes and no, but um if someone describes Perceived ADA impact For which there's no commonly agreed upon remedy It doesn't fall to the city to respond to that I'm going to have to defer to these city attorneys for this. Okay, because it says the A reasonable accommodation may be directed to the city It sounds like your question may be directed to the issue of Should someone request an accommodation due to received health effects of Radiation emitted from the from the cell facility Stephanie Hall has done a lot of work on that for For the city and for other cities and I'll ask her to address that concern Hey, good afternoon. Um, so as I've discussed there are not any Guidelines for EMF radiation or EMS electromagnetic sensitivity But from what I understand if there are no guidelines the city and the Person requesting the reasonable accommodation would come to a compromise as to what would be a reasonable accommodation And I'm not sure what that would look like since we can't regulate based on RF emissions But at least the individual will be able to go through the city's normal grievance process Speak with the ADA coordinator and see if there's some kind of compromise that the city could make Good question mark I believe so Other questions from council council member brown. Yeah, um, so the The original motion that we made included some language about Kind of acknowledging our inability to protect the health and safety of the public And so I'm just and I didn't see it here. I did see that some of the changes around the Sorry, I'm just trying to find it here in the um that some changes that were were Suggested are in here, but that one wasn't so I guess I'm just wondering. Well, um, I think What might lead? No, go ahead. Well, so what might lead to confusion is I believe that was handled in the Purpose intent the preamble to the purpose and intent section which was not highlighted as a change in the latest drafts that you guys have Okay, so can because I don't it's in the oh, yes, I'm looking at the ordinance 15.38 010 Council member brown if I can chime in I I believe that we added in in the kind of the center of that paragraph in purpose and intent We wrote the city is prevented from taking into consideration all citizen concerns with respect to the health effects of this technology I think that was the language we added in to address that concern Yeah, so I guess the Thank you for that. I see that is here Um, but we had initially talked about an acknowledgement an actual acknowledgement in the preamble that We therefore cannot protect Public health and safety It's you know, I mean, it's a little bit semantic But it is to to not just to acknowledge that is the case. Was there a reason that that particular language wasn't in here Do you mean the language that was proposed by a member of the public or I see um I can give you the exact I addressed that I believe in the email that tony, uh, mr. Cundadi sent out Uh, and was that today? Let's see that was on Monday Oh, sorry. Oh, no, it's no problem. I don't see it. So I recommended keeping the preamble's proposed since this was the version that the subcommittee had Drafted and approved. Okay, and I felt that the or our office felt that the final proposal in the last sentence Was unnecessarily painted the city in a negative light and did not reflect the city's efforts necessarily I think that the city will be doing to the best of its ability trying to protect the health and welfare of its citizens I thank you. I appreciate that and I'm looking but I just don't see I don't know why I don't have it in my inbox that That memo, but thank you for clarifying just for the record I I was under the impression that this preamble language was reviewed and accepted by the subcommittee But should the council wish to add further Purpose language then that would be up to the discretion of the council Mr. Myers Yeah, I just would I recall I think in our last meeting we We had signed off on the preamble language. Yeah, I think we did And I would just maybe make one other clarifying comment Specifically just regarding the conversation around a da Accommodation I think we met at least two times maybe three times and had conversation around around this and You know my my thought on this is that You know, it's unfortunate the federal government I think this might be our new world the federal government is basically taking away our right to really review this these the placement of these facilities and obviously Um, the it's an unknown, you know, the the the unknowns may be broader than we think we're not sure but I think where I came down on as a subcommittee member is really that We unfortunately are under The thumb of federal government until we can get Some case law set that frees up local jurisdictions from from these decisions and being able to reclaim some of our land use This will be I think I feel like we have developed an ordinance And guidelines that actually other communities can use I am worried that with the ADA language that's in in the In the ordinance right now I think it's an ordinance I'm losing track of all my Paperwork here. I am worried about some exposure for the city to potentially some legal action from the from the From the industry, so I just want to sort of make a note of that But I do think we've tried to put together a very strong set of ordinance ordinances guidelines, uh, and uh I think it's something we can should be Looking to approve tonight Did you want to speak to the any kind of potential liability around it or That was my kind of question There's always some measure of uncertainty with regard to this I think I think the committee worked hard to strike a balance between the the legitimate concerns of interested members of the community and making sure that that we Also don't open the city up to unnecessary litigation I I think we Where we are is is a good spot to be in But we won't know for certain until and unless we are challenged And so it's not totally beyond the realm of possibility that we'll be back in front of you with the further proposed amendments Well, thank you Well, why don't we go ahead and open it up to public comment at this time I had a request from satya to have a group presentation on behalf of her group Which is emf aware and I'll go ahead and acknowledge that request So you'll have up to four minutes and then we'll open it up to the rest of the public Oh, wow, I have to say thank you so much. I really appreciate that everyone That all my requests were considered and implemented I would say with just the exception of one of them, which I'm I'm willing to concede the The statement about the city cannot guarantee protecting the health Safety and welfare of the community. I think one thing that wasn't mentioned was the f If you look on the paper I'm sending around an addition in the preamble of in the intent and purposes of Section f Which is something that was incorporated in the insinidus ordinance I'm fully vetted by their attorneys. So then I Attorney Choi just showed me that that's included in there. So I didn't have a copy of that But she just showed it to me. So it's that's included I'm gonna go ahead and pause you such yet. I'm gonna go ahead and ask our clerk to please set the time So we'll have up to four minutes Okay Okay, so All right, thank you So, um, I just want to make sure that you know about that because that's quite important and that satisfies me I think it's actually a stronger statement than the statement about cannot guarantee, you know on and on so, um One thing I'm also very happy to hear that we have an ada coordinator now in the planning department I wasn't aware of that so uh, because that was a Something I had noticed that there wasn't anybody up until now. So really happy about that One one thing I might want to suggest is that The the possibility of having more than five days for someone to come forward with a ada Request for ada accommodation Um, and by the way, I just want to say about ada accommodation ada is not about health. It's about a sensitivity to emf Wireless radiation or electromagnetic fields say which could come from many things not just cell towers So if a person is sensitive say, I mean they use the the fey case G versus the fey school They it was found that the The telecommunications that Telecommunist the ada is not preempted by the telecommation telecommunications act Which is very important to know so for example, like if I was This is a bad example, but they used it in the case if I was allergic to peanuts I wouldn't have to be forced to eat peanuts just because nobody else had that sensitivity So, um, it's the same thing and I think it's just Easy to think of it about health, but it's really about Functional impairment which I heard talked about in the health and all policies So I appreciate that while, you know, we're being told by the FCC. We can't consider health. We aren't it's not really that It's more equanimity. It's more about inclusion for all of us So so that's so my question about five more is it possible to have more than five days like maybe a week say Even would be good anything a bit better 10 days maybe um Another question I have Is about okay as I looked through the ordinance. I haven't seen this the first time around Under the section of applicability There are four types of facilities that are not included in this chapter Number three and I don't understand what these are So I just want to clarification antennas and wireless communication facilities. It's under 15 38 0 through 0 Antennas and wireless communication facilities identified by the FCC or the cpu c As exempt from local regulations So I don't know what those are And then number four is small cell wireless facilities that are suspended whether embedded or attached On communication cables or lines that are strung between existing utility poles In compliance with applicable safety codes So I I've never heard of anything like that and it's kind of troubling just to know it exists But I don't know why it's not regulated. Is it regulated somewhere else or What's um can somebody clarify that for me? Um So I guess there's really not too much else to say except really thank you I I feel so honored to have worked with all of you and we are really um Many cities are looking to us to see what we've done and they are so grateful to all of you So you're not helping just us in this community. You're helping all of california and I would go as far to say all of the united states Um, not all councils listen like you do so. Thank you. Thank you next speaker Not much to say on the subject Well, one of the benefits of um, james wittman of doing what I do is I work alone a lot stopped watching tv about 20 years ago And we're really listening to regular radio stations Don't listen to nazi public radio very much Used to listen to uh kpfa, but stopped about six years ago because being informed didn't make me happy So I listen to documentaries and stuff. Jeez must be an addiction Six to ten hours a day and I do a lot of writing. There's only about seven people blocked from my facebook I don't have the viewpoint of george carlin. I haven't given up on humanity I've had a lot of interesting things happen in my life. I don't know what I can actually give you but With all the briefness. I've already decided that the best thing I can do is to Write a document and submit it to law enforcement and emergency responders and schools and youth because they're the most effective on the bell curve Now there's a lot of information about the existing technology And the stuff that they're calling 5g For more than 76 years many militaries have been silently winning wars with this technology. We go right outside There's a streetlight and that's military technology So what do I know? I don't know much But I got in trouble about two years ago and I had a bunch of lawyers call me And I stopped at about nine one group More than 150 lawyers some of them had 40 years of experience. I listened to their stuff Blah blah blah and I'm like, well, I got a question for you How many lawyers have you disbarred this is family court? None So I don't really I have some stuff that I need to finish to submit to law enforcement and stuff But if anybody wants to read how it disbar a family lawyer, I'm going to give it to This is on item number 16 this small cell wireless facility Hi, I'm Nathan Kennedy and what I got to say about 5g it is way too fast What I'm talking about is from a computer security Aspect somebody could get into your computer over 5g Download your entire hard drive in a matter of minutes. Do we really need that kind of speed? 4g is already too fast It's so fast that I try to get a bunch of downloads going and it is hard to keep it saturated So what I think we need to do as far as the internet industry goes Forget about 5g instead make it so that you can have home internet DSL cable you can get 5g like speeds from that if we really need to have it that fast But when it's wireless when when I'm picking up my cell phone. I'm talking on my cell phone I don't need that kind of internet speed In fact at 4g 4g is already screaming fast so fast that it is difficult to use it to its full potential And also 5g is way too deadly In fact in one case there was a cell tower that was set up Turned on and within moments of it being turned on an entire flock of birds fell dead to the ground We can't have that it sounds too much like something out of skynet in the terminator movies You know that it's getting so fast that we're trying to get into all the computers with 5g To hook up to each other and become one gigantic brain that wants to destroy the world or something nutty like that So No 5g in Santa Cruz at least we got abandoned it is ridiculous from everything from computer security Aspects to health aspects. It is too fast and too far too deadly. Thank you Hi rick longinati. I want to thank the council and the staff for I think The work that you've done and really pushing the limits of what is possible locally In order to resist You know a mandate that we have very little control over And the only thing that I would suggest is that You let the public know what you know Which is that we have very little power To Regulate this technology on the basis of human health So, you know, I would suggest that you ask the city manager To release press release to to let people know that You know, you've done the best you can within the very narrow boundaries that you have I I would suggest even taking Mr. Cundati's comments from a recent meeting in which he put in no uncertain terms the lack of democracy that local Jurisdictions have to regulate this technology. Thank you Good afternoon Darius mostening I'd be very cautious about local Non-scientific entities like the city council trading in To an area that is very sophisticated technology with lots of variables And frankly There is no diagnosis for emf sensitivity. There is no Reasonable Medical organization or doctor that can actually issue a diagnosis Or any kind of certainly no prescription for it I've tried I actually went to my Kaiser doctor and said Gee, um, what if I'm you know, I might be emf sensitive And she said basically it's a psychosomatic issue um But that aside my real concern that I'm seeing in this is the 80 a language What this means is Someone with what can get a reasonable accommodation much as You can get a reasonable accommodation for an emotional support animal And essentially go in to starbucks and say I want all the wi-fi turned off while i'm here Somebody at an apartment building could ask me as a landlord Oh, can you ask everybody to shut their wi-fi off and don't use cell phones and I would actually have to comply and To get a reasonable accommodation you have to have some kind of prescription or a letter from a physician Well, there's a huge market for fake service animal Um Documents on the internet. I had tenants give me these all the time. They have $60 to $100 200. They get a all the Various documents and so forth signed by a supposedly certified physician or you know Therapist and they could be used legally against Oregon Landlords retail come that if they don't shut their wi-fi off. Thank you And You'll be our last speaker Good afternoon Scott Graham That's kind of crazy that uh, the republicans in congress and in the senate always run on states rights And then they do stuff like oh, well States can't states and cities and counties can't have any control over the uh self towers that uh And then they put language in the law that says that health effects cannot be used as a reason to Not locate A cell tower in a certain area. I mean it's just absurd. I mean how can that be Standing up for states rights when you take away the rights of the states and the rights of the local communities to do these things um The problem I see with this technology is When I was a kid my parents sat us down me and my brothers in front of the tv That was our babysitter basically Now you see kids out there in public Under one years old with a cell phone in front of them watching whatever it is their parents put on there for them to watch And we're you know creating a generation or two of idiots that they're just Attached to this phone I mean I see it all the time people walking down the street Not paying attention to anything except their phone They cross the crosswalks. They don't even look to see if there's a car coming or a bicycle coming They're looking at their phones Is it really necessary that we make it so that people can play World of warcraft on their phone. Is that why They're putting out 5g. I think so. Thank you We're gonna go ahead and return back to the council council member meyers and then council member brown and the council member met Um, I just want to thank the city staff The city attorney's office specifically They really did a lot of work on this and I do think it's Something that other cities will look to to for guidance. So thank you for all your work all your research And I want to thank council member brown. We had a really productive subcommittee. I felt and We I think got a product that we all feel pretty good about so I'd like to go ahead and make a motion To introduce for publication and ordinance adding chapter 15.38 to the santa cruz municipal code for small cell wireless facilities in the public right of way To adopt the attached resolution approving amended small cell wireless facilities permit guidelines and adopt the resolution Adopting a fee schedule regarding the cost of an appeal under chapter 15.38 And I just want to make sure that i'm referring to the right resolution because I know we were handed I think We were an updated version. Yes, we distributed an updated version of both resolutions Which is Which is the version that we would recommend the council consider adopting. So I'll just say adopt the resolution provided on november 26 Second, okay seconded by councilman brown. Thank you for your work on this. Okay. Do you want to go ahead and make a few comments? Just a couple of comments really just quickly. Sure. Yeah, I I really want to echo council member mayer's comments about My appreciation for all of the work that you all put in to this in the city attorney's office barbara and stephanie I know it was It took a lot of time and You know and tony Joshua everybody who's been involved in in trying to get us here today um the issues And questions surrounding this uh, this issue are so incredibly complex and the realm of possibility for responding to it in a way that really Tries to protect the public public health and the public interest Is incredibly constrained and so you did an amazing job of trying to work within those constraints and with You know direction from a council that was was really interested in this So, um, I appreciate that and and thank you council member mayer's for serving with me and I look forward to All out Council member matthews vice mayor coming. This is truly a technicality. I'm looking at the Permit guidelines the the one we got and it's on page three It's the instructions it says As part of the and it's I have the blue line version that was passed out as part of the application submittal the application shall Within 24 hours of submitting a permanent application provide notices as follow it follows A by first-class us mail Etc. Etc who property owners and occupants of buildings within a thousand feet of the project B post the notice it doesn't say and and I'm I my guess is that it's both of those things. Is that correct? You should do a and b So that's correct. Yeah, so we just throw and in there. Okay And then I am curious about um What period might make sense for just a report back on our experience? How many have been applied for how many have gone up how many? Uh, sure et cetera I um, would be happy to be happy to put together something for you. Uh, at a point that sounds meaningful At a point that sounds meaningful. Sure. I do. I didn't know what you mean. Um, at I would say that's going to take, um Um, probably the new year. Yeah, of course. Yeah, and I have some period of time. I would think that yeah, yeah, absolutely Okay, so it sounds like that edit will be incorporated and then vice-mercans. No, I just wanted to thank um specifically the members of the public who brought this to our attention because um, they didn't there didn't really seem like there were any tools that we could use uh to try to help people who might be suffering from um, earmuff sensitivities and so I want to thank satya and the rest of the folks who Brought this to our attention so that we could try to do something in the best of our abilities under the federal law To actually help um people who are suffering from this and then I want to thank the uh Council members thottemires and sandy brown for taking the time to kind of work with our legal staff And I want to thank all of our the city attorney's office and all the legal staff who also did a lot of work on Getting us something that's getting us in the right direction Hey here here Comment a couple issues that came up was uh in 16.8. I don't know. It's under 15.3 a 0.0 30 What uh, the member of the public was asking about what there's three and four What what what does that mean and ten is in wireless communications facilities identified by the FCC or the cpuc as exempt What what would be an example of those? Well, I think that's just an acknowledgement that uh, we don't know what that that could be You know the it seems to me the state or the federal government could Institute some sort of new technology or um a new communication system or something that just specifically say isn't Regulated by current guidelines or local guidelines. Uh, I think that's just an acknowledgement that that could happen And number four The wireless facilities suspended uh embedded or attached on cables or lines That's already prohibited under the design and aesthetic ordinance that was passed by the council in, um, april And who is the um person the ada person for the planning department? Is there my understanding? It's a Miss lawless LLIS Thank you And um, I was just wondering a couple issues that came up. Would you for a friendly amendment? Would we go from five days to seven business days? To make a appeal for the ada That sound reasonable maker of the motion is councilmember. Oh, I'm sorry. Excuse me Is there a reason why we went with five? I'm gonna just get thank you. Yeah. Good idea The FCC shot clocks. We were just trying to minimize All of the notification the appeal everything just try and minimize as much as possible to squeeze into the shot clock period Yeah, and I think the shot clock period is one of the things that we weighed a lot and uh The more that we we try to kind of put add into that period the less control we have over the outcome So I'm gonna And does it sound reasonable to uh for the city to issue a press release about um along the lines of what mr Longinati was talking about about how we can't you know, this is the way it is This is a really difficult issue and I think it would bode well for the folks who live in our community to say Hey, we're we're struggling with this. We're trying Uh, but we're being usurped by the federal government and we want to do more I'd ask the maker of the motion, but I I agree. Yeah, I'm I'm fine with that and I think it you know It's one more space in which we can Make that point. I I try to say it every time we talk about this from the dais, but yeah I think reminding the public that uh, we are constrained and you know are doing as much as we possibly can And if I could really quickly Just want to add and I apologize for overlooking Big thank you to the emf aware Group and the community and especially to satya ryan for making this happen. I mean I when we got into this I had no You know really not a lot of hope that we could we could do anything To try to at least address the concerns of the community in as meaningful a way as we could we could And I I didn't have a lot of optimism about that and I didn't understand the issue very well So really thank you for helping us make this happen Great thank you Can I just get clarification the first friendly amendment from councilmember crone was not accepted the second one was Yes Can we go to the press release with the print sure we can direct staff to to create a Press release. Okay. Thank you Or did you understand the request for us the city attorney to do a press release the city manager's office to issue a press release? Yeah, yes, we can do that. No problem Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. That passes unanimously All right, we will move on to item number 17 in our council meeting agenda packet Tenant Protection Act and we'll go ahead and invite up Lee but Butler and Bonnie Lipscomb Good afternoon mayor and councilmembers lee butler. I'm the director of planning and community development and Today we are responding to council direction from the 29th of october when we were talking about ab 1482 and the tenant protection act of 2019 and its applicability to section eight housing choice and project-based voucher holders So In october of this year the governor signed ab 1482 it takes effect on january 1st and for Properties that are covered It establishes a rent increase cap of 5 plus cpi or 10 whichever is less and cpi Is consumer price index this year? It was roughly around a little over three percent So that would set a cap of eight and two percent or so it also sets for just cause eviction protections for The covered tenants and Specifies that when no fault evictions occur that relocation assistance or rent waivers Of in the amount of one month be provided to the tenant There are various exclusions This is just a sample of them but Buildings that have been occupied within the last 15 years individually owned single-family homes condominiums and townhouses are excluded dorm rooms are excluded And then in living situations where the tenant shares a bathroom or kitchen With the owner who also occupies that residence as their primary residence those are excluded and then we've got section eight and We'll talk about that a little bit more in a couple of slides There are some I think there's some agreement on project-based vouchers being excluded And there is some disagreement on whether or not Housing choice vouchers are excluded and we'll talk about it in just a moment So the council action on the 29th Extended ab 1482 And gave it sort of a retroactivity clause back to september 1st of this year to protect The tenants who would otherwise be covered by ab 1482 And then the council said explore Additional section eight protections including four months relocation assistance payment of that relocation assistance within 15 days of the notice to vacate and then providing the first right of refusal for tenants to occupy a residence If they have been asked to leave due to Construction and or demolition and reconstruction or Rehabilitation work that causes them to vacate for more than 30 days. And so We went out and did some very brief coordination in the time allotted that we had We reached out to tenant sanctuary And had some conversations about whether ab 1482 does actually apply to section eight tenants Particularly in relation to the applicability to housing choice section eight tenants and just Quickly for the council and for the community housing choice Section eight is a voucher that is received by an individual and they can carry that around to any landlord who Chooses to accept that whereas the project base that stays with the project itself And doesn't move from one place to another So in the conversations with tenant sanctuary We had some conversations about that and we reached out to some of the folks that they recommended the California rural legal assistance group and They actually provided a letter today That opined that The housing choice Voucher holders are Not exempted so they are protected by 1482 and The the way I read that and I'll look to the city attorney here the way I read that that the um project based vouchers are excluded from The section eight or excuse me from the ab 1482 protections, and I'm seeing a nodding head there There were a lot of acronyms in their memo And so yes, I would just To add to that note that Gretchen Regan Hart is an attorney with california rural legal assistance Who submitted that letter that that the council received today? And is also present this evening. So I'm sure the council will be interested in hearing from miss regan heart And so what I would say is um that If the council chooses to adopt one of these ordinances this evening The applicability of 1482 to those groups is somewhat irrelevant in that um you would be extending those protections Regardless of whether or not ab 1482 Applies and we'll get to it shortly, but that is our recommendation that those protections be extended and so If that's the direction the council goes then The protections will apply Whether they are housing choice vouchers or project based voucher tenants In conversation with the tenant sanctuary folks, we also had a conversation about alternative protections like Rather than providing direct relocation assistance instead Not having rent Paid for the the final month or final multiple months as an alternative and then I wanted to put this up because it shows that they're just different different opinions and different perspectives There's not necessarily a right and wrong response when I was talking with the tenant sanctuary Um representative they said well section a divictions Result in a higher likelihood of homelessness and then when talking with the housing authority They said well, it's a lower likelihood of homelessness If you're considering people with equivalent incomes because if they have that housing choice voucher That can help supplement their income and going to another location. So it's just different perspectives on the same issue um Going to the housing authority's board perspectives They held a meeting a special meeting on november 19th to discuss This specific issue that the council was planning to discuss this evening and They their board expressed concerns with with fewer protections Or more protections for section 8 tenants and on the the fewer protection side They obviously spoke with the one the desire to have parity And not have section 8 tenants have fewer protections than non section 8 counterparts With respect to more protections. They saw that as a disincentive for the landlords and I'll quickly go through A bit here that was included in the staff report And that was the housing authority staff report states the number of section 8 families that could be harmed by discouraging landlords from renting section 8 Tenants is greater than the number of section 8 tenants that face default termination of their rental agreement At at any given point in time There are hundreds of families searching for a unit with a landlord who will accept a section 8 voucher And then the report goes on to state that countywide there were 64 new section 8 landlords added just in the last two months which um, I thought was very impressive number and That and I'm quoting again now that although adding additional protections for section 8 voucher holders would be well intentioned It is likely to have unintended consequences and could potentially do more harm than good by undermining our efforts to encourage landlord participation and so the That gets to their recommendation of board actually recommended an equivalent amount of protections between section 8 and non section 8 tenants and that is what our staff recommendation mirrors and They recommended that and as do staff recommend that Just cause eviction and relocation assistance protections be included but not rent control protections the the board Conversation focused around there already being a sufficient amount of rental cost increased protections for section 8 tenants um, and so staff agrees with that recommendation and that brings us to the options that the council has the council specifically directed us to evaluate these additional protections For section 8 tenants not just just cause eviction, but four months relocation assistance payment within 15 days of giving notice and first right of refusal Not including rent control and having retroactivity to september 1st of 2019 because this goes above and beyond the non section 8 protections staff is not recommending this option The second option is protections equivalent to The ab 1482 protection. So that would provide just cause eviction protections for section 8 tenants both project based and housing choice voucher recipients Um, and it would provide one month of relocation assistance no rent control and would also have Retroactivity back to september 1st of 2019. So we're recommending that a simple ordinance and in fact an urgency ordinance that I'll get to in a moment that Mirrors the Just cause eviction and relocation assistance protections from 1482 And that is consistent with the housing authority boards recommendation So urgency ordinance or not both of those two options in your agenda packet You've got four ordinance that four ordinances. That's because for each of those options You have a regular ordinance and an urgency ordinance The regular ordinance assuming council acted upon it tonight as a first reading and then Approved it on december 10th that would take effect on january 9th. It's 30 days after the regular ordinance final adoption That would mean that eviction notices made from september 1st through october 11th could be valid for section 8 tenants section 8 requires a 90 day Notification period prior to an eviction and therefore That that time gap between september 1st and october 11th Anyone receiving a notice during that time could still be valid This action would only require four votes from the council staff is actually recommending that you take the option to urgency ordinance which would take effect immediately And that would that would close that gap. So It would revert back to september 1st and Anyone who received a eviction notice on or after september 1st would have These rules apply That requires five votes from the council. And so Depending on how the council wants to go And and how many votes there are for that. There are options for you So with that staff is recommending the urgency ordinance mirroring ab 1482 with the provisions providing just cause eviction and relocation assistance Equivalent to one month's rent be adopted by the council And we're available for any questions that you may have Let me first say thank you for within the short time frame Consulting with some of our experts and community members on this topic. We want to make informed decisions and i'm really happy you were able to and And also show appreciation to the HUD board for scheduling a special meeting to take this this topic up and provide input to us So i'll go ahead and see if any of my colleagues have questions at this time And thank you Gretchen for being here as well if there's any questions or input also for you councilmember matthews Someone asked me this question which had not occurred to me in terms of the relocation assistance Is it the amount full amount of the rent or of the amount that the section 8? person receives That's a good question. I would say that it is the full amount of the rent and we could clarify that in the ordinance Yes, I think that that should be clarified Any other questions at this time? Seeing them maybe we'll go ahead and open it up to the community to see if there's any public input on this topic Please come forward and you'll have up to two minutes as somebody who has 38 section 8 tenants across three counties have been doing it for about 30 years I have quite a bit of experience with this and Um Come understand section 8 is a government program and we landlords do have a hab contract about a five six page Hab contract housing assistance payments. That is with the government HUD Which details a lot of? Guidelines and rules and protections as for the tenants and as lee said yes, they have we have to give a 90 day notice for No cause eviction right now For um A cause eviction, you know one there was a breach of lease nonpayment rent. That's just as the same as any other tenant basically But the real troubling thing here was the um Yeah, the four months relocation is Really going to spook landlords into accepting section 8 tenants Especially if it's I mean on the one hand they're A lot of it's going to pay the majority most of the time the majority is getting paid by section 8 And um, I have tenants paying two dollars a month one tenant pays two dollars a month So why are you not burning the government for that four months? Um For their share if you will it just opens all kinds of Just unintended consequences, but the key thing is um Just speaking on behalf of section 8 tenants and You know encouraging more landlords to accept it and I've had great success with the with the program Putting something like that would really just throw cold water on anybody's um any landlords uh desire to take a section 8 tenant Thank you, that's all I have I'd also support option 2 um And in in addition to this maybe you guys haven't spoken about it But the housing authority for somebody a landlord taking section 8 They have new program that somebody gets just two thousand dollars just to sign up somebody for section 8 And the twenty five hundred dollars as an extra security deposit in case they have to evict and stuff So it does cover that so their ideas Of fearing that you put extra protection and people not Choosing to take section 8 like that's a serious fear There was recently sb 329 was passed october 8th It was a state law that says you can't discriminate based on how someone's paying If you go on craigslist right now and you search for section no section 8 you'll find in santa Cruz I found 17 just now it'd be really cool if as you're trying to protect section 8 stuff Figure out who's supposed to enforce that because the state's not doing that Thanks All right next speaker Luckily the previous gentleman said the same things that I was going to say about new laws Preventing discrimination against section 8. They at least can't Actually state it out loud and they still happen So just want to say I'm in I'm in favor of doing the urgency Adopting the urgency ordinance I do worry about Creating environment where it's harder to get section 8 tenants Um Going from having the voucher to being in a place But I I don't I don't know the dynamics of that. So At the very least has support option two And i'm not against option one either Thank you Any other members okay, please come forward and you'll be our last speaker Good evening scott ram This is a real balancing act because if you put in too harsh of a penalty on the landlords Then there's going to be fewer and fewer landlords that are going to be willing to take section 8 And as it is right now People get section 8 certificates and are unable to find a landlord to take those um, I believe that the Veterans groups have been given a large number of uh section 8 vouchers just for veterans And they're not being used because they can't find places that will take it And so I would discourage you from doing anything that's going to Decrease the number of landlords that are willing to take section 8 Because it's already hard enough for people on section 8 to find a place and um It's uh You know a difficult thing if somebody's Kicked out, you know Evicted from a section 8 housing Then find another one. So I think you know like what was stated earlier that People that lose their section 8 housing end up homeless more often than not And I would encourage you to uh Go with the emergency option number two. Thank you Did you want to come forward please? Good evening council. Um, mayor wackens I wasn't going to speak tonight unless somebody had a question and I'm still available for questions if you do But what I wanted to just mention to you is that if we are correct At crla the the the new law already applies to section 8 voucher holders Then by adopting this option and not including the rent control You're actually disadvantageing the section 8 voucher holders So I've mentioned this because I'm pretty sure this is not is not something you're intending to do But it's something that could happen if If you adopt this option without the rent control as part of it And I wanted to say about section 8 That about section 8 housing choice vouchers That although when people first lease up There is a limit on how much rent can be charged But thereafter the landlord can raise the rent and if it Exceeds what the housing authority or HUD has said is the appropriate standard Then that increase is borne by the tenant. That's not something that the that the landlord Pays for or that the housing authority pays for so in fact section 8 housing choice voucher holders Are affected by rent increases So just wanted to throw that out there in case it's something you haven't considered and as I say happy to answer any questions Thank you very much We'll go ahead and return back for council action by smear commies. Yep So I actually had the opportunity to meet with jenny panetta and and share the same concerns around making sure that That we're not discouraging people from landlords in particular from taking on Um the section 8 housing voucher, so I'm prepared to um Make a motion to approve Option two the urgency ordinance to provide the same eviction protections To all section 8 tenants available to non section 8 tenants under ab 1482 and and then in addition to this Through our conversation Through the conversation I had with jenny panetta the housing board is actually going to be working with the county And the community action board to develop a relocation assistance program for no fault eviction and low-income tenants And so i'm going to add that we direct staff to work with Those same partners the county housing authority community action board To develop a relocation assistance program for no fault no fault evicted low-income tenants to return as part of the 2020 2021 budget with a progress report to council at the second meeting in january I'll second that Motion by vice mayor coming seconded by council member brown further discussion council member brown. I do have a question now As a follow-up to um miss reagan hearts Because now I am concerned that we may be doing something that is Yeah, that is Disadvantaging section 8 tenants vis-a-vis other tenants So um before we take a vote. I wanted to try to clarify this Because I if I if I read that correctly then that may be what we're doing, but then there's also the um Factor that state law supersedes local Local law so I don't know that we could actually make create a weaker 1482 We could I suppose for this short period of four months Which I don't want to do but I just want to get some clarification on that before we move ahead So I believe um, we've got some draft language that we could add to address Both your concern council member brown and your concern council member matthews So at the end of uh, 21.07.010 that speaks to Amending ab 1482 protections or excuse me extending ab 1482 protections to section 8 tenants Two sentences could be added and I can email those over in a moment They would be a full month rent shall be provided for relocation assistance Including both the tenants portion of the payment and the voucher amount That addresses council member matthews question And then to address the concern that was raised from the crla and council member brown Any rent control protections that section 8 housing choice voucher holders are afforded by ab 1482 shall also be applied to such section 8 housing choice tenants And that way if it is determined That they are in fact clickable Then um That would give them the same protections um and and not a reduced amount And our attorney's taking a quick a quick look at that and I'll email it over to bonnie to put on the screen Thank you for the creative Fixed to hopefully mitigate what could potentially be an unintended consequence from this potential action Did you have a question councillor? Uh, just on the language. Um I wonder if you would consider just uh saying to uh direct staff to uh work with the others to explore a relocation assistance program To return for consideration As part of the 2021 because we already have other housing. I mean, we just want to see where that fits in with the other stuff So if you don't mind those two Okay, is that so Yeah, but if I could make a comment about this, I'd like to just really quickly You know, I have been since during my time on the council have advocated for Uh, the city establishing some kind of relocation assistance fund and this came up initially when uh there were tenants facing evictions due to Red tags on properties and I know that that is a it's an ongoing concern And and so I I do really want to advocate for moving forward with this exploration and and providing us Uh a report back so that we can we can move ahead I think the community action board does a great job with their relocation assistance program having worked right next door to the Shelter project when I worked at cab. I know that um They're very effective and I appreciate that the housing authority is looking to Potentially use some of its resources to make a contribution I'd love to see us do that as well and the and the county. Maybe we could incentivize the county by Stepping up. So I just wanted to say that now because it won't come back to us for a while But um, I I'm okay with the language change So as long as we move forward and consider this So those will be um added to the motion as accepted by the vice mayor and the second or council member I'll also say part of accepting that is that you know, we get a report back in january That'll inform kind of the potential for this to happen. And so That's the reminders I just have a question. Do we have our do we have a relocation assistance program now? I thought we did I just wanted to make sure what yeah, I know but I'm just We do we provide funding to cab for a relocation assistance We have funding. Yeah, we have programs with cab and the housing authority and I have just a brief overview of those just for this context for cab We also we give 11,000 of red cross funding and additional 30 000 through the core funding To cab for relocation, which is the eviction prevention program basically and it provides up to three months Rent and then additionally through the housing authority. We give 110,000 Through our programs, which are the emergency security deposit program which Both is for security deposits, but also in in a situation can also Sometimes be considered and used as last most rent and then for the landlord incentive program We have 22 22,500 for that which is can be used for security deposit and sometimes also as a last month's rent And then we also have Oh, uh, then 19 19 and a half thousand to crla for tenant related counseling related to evictions and and Rental rental issues so all together we have and I think in this context we can we can work with that But we provide from the city funding Just shy of 200 000 related to tenant protections And I just have I guess for the makers of the motion is is the intent Is it a different relocation or would it be consistent with the kinds of things that we're doing right now? So just continuing the conversation and looking at potentially broadening that okay. Thank you. And then I just have a One potential change on the findings. So I'm looking at 17.16 on item l I know we've received some communication both from the planning director as well as Others there's language in here that That no fault eviction notices and threats of eviction have surged and I'm not sure that we have experienced that At least in some of the research and and calls that I've made More near if we could change that finding to read instead of having and threats of evictions have surged The language we would read have been brought to the attention of the council I just want to make sure that based on what we're adopting that we have and also just Respecting some of the information that the housing authority has put in their document I just want to make sure that we're tracking with the best practices that keep that provide the most protection for For people Mr. Gonzalez, do you want to speak to that? I I think council member mayer's Proposed language is more accurate than the finding that that's in The current draft. So I think that's a good suggestion. Okay, great Is that accepted by the makers of the motion? Okay. Great. All right. Um, any further discussion seeing none all those in favor Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. That passes unanimously We have one item that was continued and that's item number 18 And that will be continued to january 28th 2020. Do we need a motion on that? No, okay. Just so you know, okay. Great. Thank you So we'll go ahead and reconvene until our evening item 7 p.m. Is oral communication 7 30 is our evening item There will be overflow available at our civic if need be So we'll adjourn for now Wow, I know I didn't know If I could get your attention, please. Thank you very much All right. Um, go ahead and ask that you uh, stop your conversations. I'll go ahead and call our meeting to order Um, good evening everybody. I want to welcome you to our 7 p.m. Session of the november 26 2019 meeting of the santa cruz city council Before we begin i'll go ahead and announce that we do have overflow available at the tony hill room At the civic center if needed. No, we don't the main hall. I'm sorry. Excuse me at the main hall if necessary Um, okay. We'll go ahead and ask our clerk to please call the roll Thank you council members crone here lover here liars here brown here Matthews is here Vice mayor Cummings and mayor Watkins here So we're on the portion where we're having oral communications I'll go ahead and remind folks that oral communications is an opportunity for members of the community to speak to us on items That are not on today's agenda Um, if I could get a sense of how many members of the community are here for oral oral communications Okay, eventually you're going to want to make your way to my left We generally allocate about a half hour for oral communications. So we'll try to wrap that up a little after 7 30 Um, and that we ask that those of you who are here in council chambers or outside of Campbell council chambers abide by our rules of decorum And ensure that your fellow citizens have an opportunity to address the council without intimidation Or any type of threat if I do see any of those types of behaviors that are Not following our rules of decorum. I will go ahead and issue a warning if it continues I will ask you to leave. I hope that you can Rise to the occasion and respect your fellow citizens so that we are able to Conduct your business and our business and our city's business In a way that's transparent for all to engage So having said that we'll go ahead and move it right into oral communications Please come forward and you'll have up to two minutes. My pleasure to be back before you I think I know mostly sitting up there. I would like to speak tonight. My name is Richard Lewis Represent a Grupo Amistad vision international when people say what you're up to Youth voice and student empowerment. It's an international human right Well, I want to speak into a sister sister In mexico with a particular place in jolisco where david mayor had six thousand the group that put on the mariachis about a year ago So i'm going to try to send emails I'd like the new mayor to kind of think about what it might look like as watson bill has a sister sister With this area of jolisco by guadalajara economic development build the bridge So i'm going to do my homework on what that might take and would like anybody on the city council to join That research There is no reason that we can't create economic development With communication i can't do it in three minutes so just introducing the idea and the future of Empowering cabrillo on uc the next mayor might Bring to the table the idea of the next generation of commission So we officially look at that 18 to 40 and bring their voice forward Most impressed with what both of you did with those fifth sixth graders at that one school next to the peace church And i don't know about how much time i took But i'm here because i'm really concerned about what's going to be on the agenda And i am homeless, but i won't be tomorrow somebody's going to be a motorhome But i'm also a homeless vet by choice So we're never going to find another santa cruz county And For a long time i've been out there with what it is But the people who aren't here are the are the homeless And by homes latinos. Thank you for letting me and look forward to getting the emails. Thank you Okay, next speaker, please Please come forward. Oh, i'm nate alex dot kennedy at gmail.com 3469 888 One thing i think we really need to do is get these council meetings broadcast on traditional am fm radio Just ideas of stations be used at ksco kzsc Pretty much any anyone that's local it would be into doing it and i'm sure there's plenty radio stations that would jump on the opportunity if we give it to them There's that and we also need to have an audio only stream On the internet if you want to listen to it live off the internet Because there's a video stream, but it is way too much bandwidth I one time i tried running it on a phone with limited bandwidth and i hit the end of my bandwidth after about 20 minutes of watching the council Another thing i've thought we should do is allow video conferencing such as google duo Microsoft skype all this all of these we should have those go to the four seven one one one three one Non-emergency number then when they're talking to the uh, i mean they can still be an emergency But uh, you're talking trying to describe them something that happens you show the car wreck the fire Whatever reason you're calling instead of just communicating that it's happening at blah blah address um also uh for a long time i've been saying we need more tandem bikes for the cops And uh, I think that would really help enforcement, but also Why don't we not only legalize skateboarding but start giving the cops e-skateboards electronic ones that are motorized where they can really go fast on them And have total control with a minimal amount of experience uh, so skateboards for the cops too Um as far as uh, oh, that's it. Thank you. Thanks name Okay next speaker, please My name is pauline seals and I represent center cruise climate action network, which is about 1500 local people um But actually first I want to say I'm really glad it's finally raining. This is about the latest and that's part of climate change I'm glad it's raining, but i'm awfully sorry for the people who don't have a warm dry place to stay Um, I'm here to present some signatures on this petition. We've been Sending zero carbon by 2030. We have now another 30 pages of signatures for this lots and lots of people are totally in favor of everything that's on here There's a letter here. I'll just read this a little bit reduce vehicle emissions limit single use plastic facilitate food waste reduction Encourage plant rich diets And take other steps as needed so There was a report today about honor the climate status and they were saying that Only china and the european union have kept their promises and reduced emissions The u.s. Is particularly bad, but and we know that but it's going to lead to disaster if we can't change things very quickly Thank you Hey carrot philip. I'd like to address the personal attacks of my character and uh, miss ill-conceived sort of a Conflation of my own views with santa cruz united of one of the recall council members already today and the Grover crone fan club also defaming the character of santa cruz united and therefore myself I'm not going to get into a contest of who's lying out of every pore on this matter Or recounting and refuting all the falsehoods because it isn't necessary Somebody is however lying big time The 10,000 or so voters who actually talked to santa cruz united over four months were actually there Are perfectly capable of judging the character of who was talking to them and claims of big outside money can be easily refuted by monetary reporting requirements You can't lie and fool people who know the truth This will be the most informed electorate in the history of santa cruz 10,000 voters have spoken and I believe they and more will speak on march 3rd There is just one element of truth to the fan club's complaints and just personally for me only And I suspect for a majority of people the recall is indeed about more than the quite legitimate complaints of santa cruz united Indeed it is partly about politics the ad hoc survey revealed the approval reading of the city council Starting with the election of the progressive majority massively dropped to a multi decade low of 20 The approval rating for the fire department was a city high a city department high of 86 I suspect this is because the people know when the bell tolls the fire department will always protect all the people's interest all the time with all they have The politics of passionately representing only a tiny fraction of the community who contribute near nothing Some were drotic addicts some are thieves The militant titled is not thought to be representing the vast majority out there Indeed the perception is the majority of the taxpaying public thinks they are considered somewhat expendable by the progressives So just a guess since you know nothing about me and brutally mischaracterize me. I will correct that I am an individual who does not have to represent all the people you do I represent myself and that's okay Next speaker, please Next speaker Thank you Good evening. I'm Jane Doyle and I actually would like to speak to something you've already finished with But I hope that what I'm saying will be passed along to the staff Um, basically what I would have said had I been able to be here I'll just I'm gonna go ahead and pause you for just a moment I'm sorry oral communications are for items that are not on today's agenda But you've done and it was this morning and that was on today's agenda So I can't talk about that today But you're welcome to email us and reach out to us directly about either item as it relates to your opinion on the item It's okay. I have Sure council member clarity that last speaker spoke on an item that was earlier on the agenda you didn't stop I will just say I'll just say that was a lot of a lot of information in that two minutes that were a lot of different topics But that said I do acknowledge that this is but if there's specifically something you wanted to address Is that that was on today's agenda? This would not be the appropriate time as it's really supposed to allow for an opportunity for members of the community who are speaking to us Not on today's agenda. That's fine. That's fine. We look forward to hear it anyway Okay, that sounds great. Okay, and we'll look forward to hearing from you If there's any any member of the community who wants to speak to us on the item That's not on today's agenda. Please come forward Mayor council brent Adams of the warming center. This is a public service announcement Although it's tangential of course Warming center is going to be open on thursday the 28th at the red church. I want the community to be aware Anybody who's outside can come in. We are completely 100 scalable means we never turn anyone away We should be open tonight because there's forecast over an inch of rain. Why are we not open tonight? It's because it takes 48 hours for us to turn around to have an all volunteer shelter to find a location and to get all the volunteers It two days out it was actually forecast to be only 0.8 inches only today did it drop into the one inch factor But it's 39 degrees forecast today. I mean Thursday today, so we're opening on thursday I want everybody to know that everybody can come in We make sure that That we're we serve soup all night long people don't even have to come in to the space. It's a hypothermia shelter They can get blankets soup hand warmers and then return out into the night. Well, we expect to serve as many as 90 95 people that night Being tangential with the other issue on that. I really want to encourage A knowledge about scalability for instance the storage program We've never turned anyone away the laundry program We've never turned anyone away and when we you don't turn anyone away Imagine if we had a population cap of a hundred people with the storage program Then we would never have discovered that 200 250 people is our plateau So I want to reflect in sheltering in general. Why don't we Insist on scalability of design because homelessness is actually a function of scarcity Uh scarcity of shelter beds. We turn people out as a city without Intending no matter how many shelter beds we have it's not scalable So if you insist on scalability, then you'll always and there are many Different types of sheltering transitional encampment safe sleep zones parking programs. Thank you. Thank you I'd like to call to your attention An article from the Sacramento Bee that appeared in the San Jose mercury news this morning Title survey shows most in-state favor mandate for city shelters Most californians are concerned about homelessness in their community And the majority support the concept of a law that would require cities to build more shelters According to a new statewide survey A poll from public policy institute of california found 85 percent of the respondents are concerned about the state's estimated 130 000 homeless people with 58 percent supporting be reporting being very concerned The majority of republicans independence at 61 percent Democrats at 59 were very concerned as were the residents of the bay area 63 percent A majority of those surveyed Regardless of parties support Gavin Newsom's right to shelter platform And a proposed state policy that would require local governments to provide enough shelter beds for any homeless person To be able to sleep indoors That policy has a support of 70 percent of likely voters 87 percent of democrats and 67 percent of independence and 50 percent of republicans When they say that 85 percent of the respondents are concerned. I can only assume 15 percent live in the city of santa cruz Next speaker I used to think of this place as um solemn place honor and stuff But like in the last meeting as it's been in the past before Our democratic rite keeps getting trampled on stepped on here by this I'll say mayor because she says well, I want to make sure people have enough time to talk So we're gonna cut your time Trampling on our democratic rite. We are we came here for the democracy process And when I saw that veteran up here crying and he called you a disgrace. I agree with him So I look at it as the truth If a person could come here and look at you and lie to you to your face The reason this mayor Stopped us from talking cut our time is because she know Some stuff she ain't gonna want to hear She didn't do it for the time that we could have more time to talk You want to do that you do that on your own meeting time when you're talking about nothing at these long boring meetings you don't stop our democratic rites Anytime you attack democracy Something's wrong with you We fight against you So you You mr. Glover you need to be our mayor right now Yesterday I know you're working on stuff. You're putting in good work. We need you now Make Santa Cruz great And get rid of the rest of them for over there So that we can do some things and handle things. Correct. I'm talking fast. It's something else I want to say but you got it so on nerve where we got to say what we got to say quick I'm not a rapper. So I can't do it like that, but I'm trying to say You're stepping on our democratic rights You up here telling people you can't talk about that. It's her right to talk about whatever she wanted to talk about whoever So we need to have create a rule where the mayor cannot tell you we're gonna cut your time All our back. Okay My name is lee mires. I'm a 42 year resident of santa cruz county half of the time spent here House lists senior citizen. I understand they have lotteries to get on the waiting list for housing Last night where I sleep A fella showed up And all he had to sleep in was cardboard Um I don't know what he's doing tonight. Maybe he'll end up where I'm at again I don't know but I do know you you people Recently had some sort of vote on a quarter million dollars for new tasers for the police department But you can't see fit to come up with money for an emergency shelter I want to thank brent adams for stating that it takes 48 hours for him to get up and running to illustrate exactly why Cities need to do this Stop outsourcing your stuff to ngo's if you can come up with a quarter million dollars for some damn tasers You can come up with the money for a warming center at least Thank you very much And I'll just remind those in the community who are interested in speaking to oral communications We do have an item on homelessness this evening that we will allow for public comment and have an opportunity for you to speak to us And address us on that item at that time. So this is for items not on today's agenda So there's a strange contradiction. Um, I intend to raise the issue of the upcoming mayoral election That's on the agenda and the reason i'm raising the reason i'm raising it here is because This is not you'll have an custom mayor. Are you going to give the public chance to speak about mayors as oral? Will you or will you not if you will that's fine, mr. Norris? I'm going to go ahead and ask you to please not interrupt me and I will acknowledge you in just a moment I will let you know and that will be a warning that this is an opportunity for people to use the time that it's not on today's agenda We have the election and the nomination of mayor and vice mayor on today's agenda You will have an opportunity as any other member of the public will as well To address the council on that at this time. I'm going to hold you to that Thank you. There you go. All right there. So I'm glad to hear that traditionally that's not been the case and if this is an exception. I commend you for that I would like to ask and make sure that the next mayor when when they win and he or When he appears and I assume it's going to be just in Cummings Do what you did not do which is make available for the public a list of your forthcoming public appearances So that if the community wishes to get together with you Either informally or simply to know where you're going to be publicly appearing And this is addressed to any council member too if you choose to do it, which I think would be a good idea You can do this. I made this request of mayor Watkins months ago and she candidly declined to do it I think you said you might think about it, but you didn't do it Secondly, I want to like to make sure that the mayor also the incoming mayor Provides a list of lobbyist meetings if you're meeting with groups They're going to have an impact on your vote It seems only fair to the community that you will make this a public record So people can know this. I again made this request of mayor Watkins. She declined to do this Finally, I'm concerned about as I always am that there be an open process around Having information on the agenda before we come to the council meetings. So it is that One aspect of the council meeting is the closed sessions claims And I've taken this up with the city administrator again and again every time I write her and she's she's been prompt In giving me information that I request But it's never on the agenda for the public that is to say If a person is asking Some of money from the city because they think the police department is acting badly We need to know what that's about so we can decide whether to come and speak about it here Or contact the person if we're a witness That needs to be done. I've requested this again and again so far. It hasn't been done I I hope the new majority will do that if there is a new majority. Thank you And we'll go ahead and let I'll let the community know that we're going to go ahead and close public Oral communications after the individual with the orange hat on so you'll be our last speaker for oral communications. Go ahead Hi there. I'm willy say so I'm nobody special. I'm just here because I represent I am sure a growing movement a growing concern in Santa Cruz, which is It's a really dumb time to be a Santa Cruz citizen I mean, there's some real idiocy going on around I get to a certain extent That's the trump administration, right? That's what's causing america to happen What's going on in santa cruz? Exactly We're being filled with lies We are being filled with inviting on the council My vote is being threatened to be taken away right now And we're all going to be sitting around like this is normal That guy over there who said that they got 10,000 voters that just happened. That's on the agenda. He said they had 10,000 voters No, that's not right. They turned in a little bit over 11,000 Signatures over 2000 Were considered invalid. That's not over 10,000 Just mathematically speaking And we are just supposed to go with this I'm going to go ahead and pause your time again. This was on today's agenda. There was an opportunity No, that was on agenda. He just did that I responded what he just said We had this was on today. He just said that He could say that but I can't respond to him. Why don't you why don't you just finish your comments then sir? Thank you What i'm saying is We need to stop pretending like we don't see through the lies Those who are lying need to stop pretending We can't see through them because we all see through them. So you're just playing stupid I'm talking to people in the central. Thank you. Yes, really Have people in the central i'm talking to kevin grossman who printed wrote liable In the sentinel saying that they found a pattern which no they did not I am talking About this general sentiment throughout the city where we're all each other's necks And only some of us are actually at risk This power struggle is class struggle. The stupidity needs to end. Thank you Hi, my name is michelle and i'm not here to disrespect any one of you Um, I couldn't do the job that any one of you are doing Um, i'm gonna try to say real quick. I'm homeless. I live at the loft. I have a 1984 Mercedes I do live there. I have a driver's license I have insurance. I became homeless because I had a dino car of sonoma and I had to have my adrenal gland removed I had medical problems So so i'm trying to get back on my feet. My car is all I have to survive. I have a case manager I got my voucher back But they keep giving me parking tickets on my car because they want me to park inside There's not always parking inside and now I got four parking tickets on my car And today the park yesterday when the sweeper came She said that my boyfriend was a piece of shit And that if I didn't get my car off the street in a half hour that she was going to tow my car And so I don't know who to go to or who to ask or what to do About this parking problem All right next speaker. I am james jimming whitman. I've been a resident here for 26 years in this county so Spoken here a couple times already today. This is something I wrote november 15th after listening to what alisha and keith Spoke about I'm just going to read it. Let's see how I do I became an eagle scout june of in june of 1985. What the fucking irreverence? I'm going to go ahead and pause your language Our rules of decorum have it so that you aren't to use that type of language in our council chambers And I will that is there was a previous count person that spoke up that used inappropriate language I'm going to go ahead and say that will be a warning. There's no that is not appropriate There's people who are there's children in the audience and there's people who are watching at home Why don't you continue and and not use that language? Okay, I will not What the irreverence do I know about anything how to stop these? How to stop these scams ronald writes a short history of progress today is cubed to the cube to the cubed of any past civilizations downfall Indiscriminately all citizens citizens on planet earth seem to have accepted a mutual death sentence. Why? Why is 95 of the us United States population Does not realize that they are already homeless. Why is slavery at birth the status quo? Largely because our grandparents and our parents teach us to follow and not lead I guess my mother failed greatly to teach me this. I thank her for this failure And I greatly thank the voices in this video who I personally know and have greatly enjoyed helping keith and alisha They are doing the best to help many What are you doing as the gun to your head is the phone in your in my hand The laptop in your lap that has already affected permanently your and your children's dna Wi-Fi has opened the blood-brain barrier to help calcify the pineal gland Geo engineering has made everything phosphorescent and explosive Fluoride has pacified our moods and weakened our bones geophosphate is the is an agent orange 5g is a silent trigger now being installed in every street light and thousands are being deployed as satellites As for more than 75 years militaries have silently been using these frequencies to win wars your time is up. Thank you next speaker My name is jacob myberg guzman Santa Cruz resident 42 years actually here to talk about probably a different topic Is more of a safety related item? I ride my bike all over town and There's a intersection at west cliff and manor And monoray and there is a crosswalk there. It's actually far away from a street light So it's often dark. There's no reflectors there It's around a curve and cars often go quite quickly there and are looking at the ocean And so many times now Especially two or three times in the last week where it's actually like frightening my heart drops where people are almost hit there And cars are like screeching and people are screaming And i'd love for the city to do something to increase the safety at the intersection While i have a few minutes i'd love to say there's another intersection at ensignal and highway nine That's also challenging for bicyclists, especially if you're coming from the cosco area To cross there just because two lanes can curve right and you can kind of be trapped between cars Different subject, uh, I think the downtown streets Team is awesome cleaning up the garbage there I ride my bike on the river levee all the time and that makes a big impact Wonderful program. Thank you And a little bit separate, but um here and there i have i've been working in town for about 20 years At plantronics now poly um I sometimes hear people refer, you know, it's like, uh, you know Googler and you know I want to live to sit in surf city and I sometimes feel like i'm a villain when I went to public schools here You know went to junior guards and you know did parks and rec program And I feel like I should be kind of a success story You know, maybe i've had it a little easier in some but I worked hard and went to school and came back and been working um At a job here for 20 years. I rented for you know a dozen years and know those challenges and now i'm a property owner Face those challenges, but it's tough feeling like a villain at times in your own town for feeling like you're working hard next speaker Hello, my name is travis. Uh, i'm here to share a story Uh, there was a man named jerry that I found on the side of the street in front of the bank of america He had fallen down and I saw him and I yelled out to him I said are you okay? And he said help me up So I ran over to him and I Lifted him up and uh, he needed to use the the atm So I helped him I put my hip into him and held him up And let him use the atm. Thank goodness. It was somebody with a good heart um, and then I I tried to ask him, you know, where are you from and he was homeless and So I hung out with him for a couple of hours trying to get the information. Where are you staying? I wanted to make sure he could get to a safe place. He couldn't walk very well He told me that he'd been in the hospital and that they told him he was never going to walk again Then they put him on a bus and left him out and um at the end of the night I realized he wasn't going to be able to leave the taco shop The taqueria right across from the bank of america So I called the police station because I'd heard that maybe they do transports And I got a call back later from the the captain. He said no, we don't do that And then I called the only other person who I could think of it was keith mchenry And luckily we had just opened up the phoenix camp and that was the only place available For this man to go who could not go to the bathroom without peeing himself who could not walk one step There was no one in the city who could help other than the people in the homeless union who actually care and i'm just wondering I just wanted to share that because we're trying to help from our hearts and You know solutions are hard to find but We're here from our hearts and we want the best for everyone. So thank you And you're gonna be our last speaker Honorable mayor city council members my name is nicolas pace and I would like to speak on the 5g I would like no 5g in santa cruz unless there's a health and safety study Let me go ahead and pause you again This is this was on today's agenda And so we already spoke to this and heard public comment on this item. Is there anything that's not on today's agenda We welcome hearing from you if not You're welcome to email us to express your opinions that way. Thank you. Okay. Thank you All right, we're going to go ahead and close oral communications councilmember Thank you. Hey, just a quick question for the city attorney Um, is it Possible for us to restrict people's speech if they're using vulgar like profane language Is that or is that their first amendment, right? I think the question really is whether or not it it raises to a level of disrupting the meeting But just the content of the speech Um We have we would have problems enforcing a rule of that sort, right? I'm just uh, there was a concern earlier you were out of the room But there was a community member that was reciting something and they used the f word And then they were subsequently stopped and given a quote warning So I just want to emphasize that it's not our place to control what people say on the podium if they're not actively attacking someone I will say though as the The council also has adopted rules of decorum. That's right. So, um I think from a legal perspective, could you prohibit someone from uh using vulgar language? um possibly not but I certainly don't see a problem with asking someone to adhere to our respectful conduct policy Which is essentially exactly what I stated and was essentially required to do as the presiding officer to ensure that we have a Ability for the community to experience our council chambers In adherence to the rules of decorum and there are children present. So Councillor McCormick. Yeah, I just was wondering I know we can't take any action on what folks said at the podium I'd like to maybe Ask staff if they could look at what mr. Myberg said about the weft cliff manner and monoray Needing reflectors and then the ensign all highway nine for bicyclists. I'm familiar with both of those and um, he's right But I wonder if a staff person could maybe make an assessment and get back to the council. Thank you All right, we'll go ahead and move on to our first Agenda item for our evening session and that item is The shelter capacity update in ordinance amending chapter 6.36 camping of the city of santa cruz municipal code I'll just go ahead and remind those that are in the audience that are wanting to On this item how this will flow is that we'll have a presentation from our city staff We'll then have an opportunity for members of the council to ask questions We'll go ahead and open it up at that time for public comment I will allow anybody who's interested in speaking to the council briefly the opportunity to do so in one minute Then i'll acknowledge those who reached out in advance to have the group comments on behalf of your group To come forward and then we'll open it up to the two minutes for a public comment At which point we'll go ahead and return back to the council for action and deliberation I'll go ahead and remind those that are in the audience that It is my job to ensure that we have an opportunity for everybody to engage in this in a way that's going to Not be intimidating or threatening and that is going to adhere to our rules of decorum And if there is notice of not adhering to those rules of decorum I will go ahead and give you a warning if it continues I will ask you to leave especially if it's interrupting our ability to conduct the city's business the people's business So at that point we'll go ahead and turn it over to our presenters Good evening mayor and council. I was going to start by giving an update on the shelter capacity and then i'll turn it over to city attorney and the police chief who will present on the The ordinance amendment. So i've got a some slides to go over first To just give you some background relative to Shelter and what i'm referring to is the Uh emergency shelter That is available for people who are you know on the street and that is immediately available There are other types of shelter available in the county that sometimes it's called emergency shelter But i'm not referring to that like the recoup of care beds The river street shelter There's some others like that which i can provide information on but i'm really focusing on that truly emergency Shelter capacity So historically We've had On a year-round basis about 40 beds at the poly loft and then In the winter time we would add about 100 beds For many years it was up at the armory This is during the winter typically between november and either march or april sometimes it was extended if the rainy season went longer And then in subsequent years At a combination of the salvation army and the vfw So that's been basically the historic model Then in recent years we added the river street camp which added 60 year-round beds And can accommodate about 80 individuals So the current model is about 155 so okay, so moving on to the changes that have been made In recent years and particularly in the past year And with that we now have a model of 155 year-round beds. So we went from Looking at trying to create a more of a year-round model as opposed to what we used to have before And that now includes an additional 115 year-round beds over the historic number number And those are largely comprised of the river street camp and the salvation salvation army 55 beds poly loft again continues to be available County-wide When you look at all the various shelter beds that are available including in watsonville between salvation army sienna house housing matters monoc services new life community services And there's about 554 which is a larger number than last winter once you had when we had 417 in addition there's about of those about 75 new Safe parking spaces. So there has been some improvement in recent years certainly with respect to the availability of shelter And that is very much needed and appreciated a lot of this has been able to occur as a result of additional funding from the state As well and and has been coordinated through the work of the the HAP which is allocated money for this purpose as well as for a variety of other Shelter as well as homeless prevention programs um nonetheless We recognize that there is still an additional need for shelter shelter beds That it is not adequate for the level of unsheltered individuals that we have in our community and santa cruz Has about 50 of all the the homeless population in the county. So it's a particularly significant impact on our city Um, accordingly, uh, as you know Providing shelter is is really critical for a variety of reasons Including our ability to assist individuals to just provide, you know, adequate human care and services to for individuals As well as to be able to address and deal with Nuisance and complaints that occur in our community and as a result The council at your last meeting Directed that we come back with a couple of items and the two are up here first that uh, we Bring back a revision to the camping ordinance that would comply to the with the martin versus boise case And that'll be presented in a few minutes And then secondly that a request be made to the county of santa cruz to increase to assist with the An increase in shelter bed capacity as quickly as possible recognizing that winter is upon us As a result, we have had conversations with the santa cruz county staff Over at the ceo's office And met we've we've already been meeting regularly with them to look at a variety of issues that we have to deal with Including what we've put in place up to now But had additional conversations about the ability to Add additional shelter. They were certainly open to that. They understood the the need And we're willing to discuss a variety of options that are available to us in addition We sought out the board of supervisors Uh, assistance in this regard and they too have expressed an interest in assisting the city with expanding winter shelter capacity in particular and There's a letter in your packet from the two board members expressing that support So with respect to uh needs as I noted earlier, we really have a need for winter shelter And there's a couple of reasons why it's it's critical One is that compared to historic numbers Our shelter Vacancy rates are while they're not 100 every single night and they do vary they are at higher levels and they have been historically and The other thing that has sort of occurred and we've found as a result of the recent shift is that with respect to The way we provide the various services to the various populations Homeless population also can be a challenge So for example, one of the advantages of having the vfw and the lower street shelter salvation army shelter What that allows us to separate families and women and children Versus the general population and provide just the various types of facilities for the various populations And with the loss of the vfw, it's it's much harder to do that So there is a need as well to do that to provide that kind of Shelter support. Obviously the river street camp has also been a addition That has been helpful in terms of providing stability that has provides 24 hour Shelter services, which is an addition that we haven't had In many years And so There is as I noted a need for additional shelter Capacity and we need to continue to work on that and Staff certainly is ready to and has discussed a variety of options that we think are available That we can work with the county to implement fairly quickly The other need that we have is we also need a Availability of what we call on-call beds and that is a number of beds that are available on an as needed basis Particularly as situations arise Particularly in the evenings so that if there are there is an issue Somebody needs emergency shelter or there is a complaint and police is called out and they can assist somebody with First of all, they need to be able to to contact the shelter and find out what the capacity is But then also just have some availability of beds so they can help individuals Really as needed in on on time basis Or real-time basis, which is something we don't have a system like that So that is we believe is a great need and again We'd want to work with the county to to create those and then finally the other Thing that we've discussed earlier this afternoon that we have to recognize is a critical need Is that we need to relocate river street camp as a result of the water project that'll start there in march And again there too. We do have options that we've identified relative to to relocating that we are confident that that can happen But we also need the assistance of the county To work directly on doing that because again, there's opportunities there to do that in such a way that perhaps we could even increase capacity of our shelters so those are really the the critical needs and issues that we're focusing now and I'd be happy to answer any questions with respect to shelter capacity and if not i'll turn it over to City attorney Do any of the council members have questions about the shelter capacity or do you want to reserve questions until the end of this Do you have a question or would you like to reserve your question? Oh, I mean I have questions about it So thank you So it's wonderful to hear about the county's intention on more winter shelter, which is always very good Thanks for the short presentation on that just curious Knowing the historic winter shelter that we've had And loss because of the vfw and other situations Why are we only addressing this issue now as opposed to say Two and a half or three months ago knowing that we were going to be getting 10 million dollars from the state because you'll have to excuse me 137 bed increase and 10 million dollars seven million dollars for from the state because three million is allocated to other stuff Why so long and now it's raining Well, I want to point out that The level of shelter capacity that we have now is significantly more than what we've had in the past Again, I recognize that it's not adequate, but certainly it is Significantly more than we had because we went from a model where we only had 40 year round and only a hundred In the winter to a model where we have you know 160 or so year round. So that's you know That alone adds significant cost to be able to provide those services because You have again year round as opposed to just part of the year in addition the river street camp model Is also more more costly. It's a 24 hour services. It also provides for you know, connection to services so a combination of adding more capacity On a year round basis increased the cost to do that. So that's one big portion Also with respect to the funding that came from the state, there's a variety of uses for that Part of it was allocated to the acquisition of property That where we want to create a permanent navigation and shelter center. That's a seabird property So part of it went to that and part of it also went to other Shelter programs like the safe parking program as well as other homelessness prevention program So it was allocated amongst a variety of different uses And there was an improvement with respect to emergency shelter capacity However, I think we all recognize that it's not sufficient and there's an interest in doing that And also we didn't anticipate particularly like for example the issue of that we're having with the The the populations The conflicts with the women and children as as we're having now And the use has actually gotten gotten higher than in past years That's from Brad Yeah, I have two questions One is kind of a logistical question related to a recording of this discussion We received a communication about Making sure that this information from your oral report was included and the request was to have it in our minutes But I'm just wondering if we can Address that and and get this power point so that that information is available to people Yes, yes, I'll actually but afterwards who put don't necessarily can't be here tonight and don't want to sit through Absolutely and our practice is actually to attach all of our presentations to Our in the minutes. Yes, they'll be included. Yes, and then my other question is It's great to hear about the work that's happening to try to bring additional Shelter space online and I'm just wondering if you Have any if you anticipate like when you anticipate getting back to us if there are decisions. We're going to be asked to make When will we know because it's started to rain today which remind and got very cold So it reminded me certainly and probably many others that this is urgent Our hope is that we can have something for you by your next meeting or sooner You know again our conversations are ongoing and we have some vital options that we're exploring again We want to in the interest of just trying to be able to do our due diligence and to move forward on some Options, you know, we want to kind of keep them Not making public at this point again so that we can do that due diligence But then come back to you, but it will require council direction also board support. They've expressed it But I think we could move fairly quickly That's just one question Um, I know we've asked about this in the past, but is it possible and I see some statistics in our report But is it hard just to like every day? Or maybe every week just get a breakdown of how many folks have stayed at the salvation army River street camp Uh, and the laurel street. I guess. Oh, I mean vfw. Is that is that possible to do like every week? You just get that count And then maybe a fourth category like people that we couldn't house That were that needed shelter Yeah, I'm not sure. I know we've made a request uh to uh, because that was a council request I think we've made a request over at the county to see if they can provide us with more more up-to-date Shelter numbers, um Ralph is here. I think he's the one that's been working on it. I don't know if you have an update on that but we're certainly uh Obviously willing to provide you with our as many updates as we can Thank you, uh, ralph de america with the city manager's office We have reached out to the county for regular updates. Um, we also do get daily updates from the, um The shelters and we could share that with you and we do use um, um And um in our programming efforts, um So for each of the two shelters right now on the daily average vacancies about a handful And it changes from about eight to four and um, some nights it is at full capacity But that changes on a nightly basis and we'll be sure to get those updates to you on a more regular basis some of the frequently comes up as somebody is uh Illegally camping or camping in a place that it's not a good place Instead of getting ticketed It's maybe it's two o'clock in the morning Is it possible for a police officer to take that person to one of those three shelters knowing that there's a bed space available? Um, you know, I will um Leave that to our chief of police. Maybe answer All right, we'll go ahead and ask that you maybe not um provide comment from the From the chamber comments. We'll go ahead and ask our chief of police if he wants to respond I do know that's partially the recommendation that's before us this evening in regards to holding some spaces For uh officers to have available if maybe but if you want to speak to it, you're welcome Certainly, there's always that possibility that we could transport somebody to a shelter Uh Given a variety of circumstances that may Factor into that But uh, yes, we can do that Will they take them at two o'clock in the morning because I've heard people say no, they just it just wouldn't won't happen doesn't happen Yeah, I think that's part of the request that we have that we currently Don't have a good system where the police can in real time check as far as shelter capacity and then transport individuals That's the piece that we need to really work on that's an immediate need I think certainly police has the information on where shelters are available and they provide that to individuals as they confront them But we don't have a system where we can in real time Find out what the capacity is and then and then make arrangements for individuals to then be transported there Or directed there is appropriate. Thank you We'll go ahead and then shift over to the remainder of your presentation if you like at this time Mr. Kandadi. Yes. Thank you. Mayor Watkins members of the city council We have a power point as well. So I'll wait for that to So I'm going to talk about the draft ordinance that's on your agenda for consideration this evening Uh an amendment to chapter 6 36 of the municipal code Pursuant to the council's direction I'll start by talking a little bit about how we got to where we are In september of last year the ninth circuit us court of appeals decided the case of martin versus the city of boise A challenge to the city of boise's ordinance prohibiting camping out of doors on public or private property At that time we analyzed this the martin decision in the in And our municipal code in light of the martin decision and The police department in consultation with my office suspended enforcement of chapter 6 36 because we recognized right away that What the what the ninth circuit court of appeals held was The problematic aspects of boise's ordinance We we had the same issues that we had to grapple with So that um decision um In some respects gave rise to the the ross encampment that The council dealt with earlier this year And in april the city council Did a couple of things first it directed the city staff to close down the the ross encampment it also adopted a set of standard operating procedures that were Based on the martin casep and other federal district court cases that Have interpreted it since it was initially issued To address some of the due process notice And property rights questions that are raised uh when i when an encampment of that sort is dismantled So the council adopted standard operating procedures that were utilized in the closure of the um The the gateway encampment or the ross camp And it also directed or adopted as formal city council policy the chief of police's practice of suspending enforcement of chapter 6 36 pending an amendment of the municipal code to bring it into conformity with the martin case At the last meeting the city council then directed My office to work with the police department and city manager's office on bringing forward an amendment to the camping ordinance that conforms to the requirements Or to the decision of martin versus boise So that is what is before you tonight I just want to emphasize that this uh is not an Intended to well what this is intended to do is Narrowly respond to the specific direction of the city council This is a proposed approach that we believe is consistent with the martin case But the city council can make modifications To the ordinance that we propose. Uh, this is our suggested approach So the holding of martin In essence is that so long as there is a greater number of homeless individuals in a jurisdiction Than the number of available beds and shelters The jurisdiction cannot prosecute homeless individuals for involuntarily sitting lying and sleeping in public That is as long as there is no option of sleeping indoors The government cannot criminalize indigent homeless people for sleeping outdoors On the property on public property on the false premise that they had a choice in the matter So that seems like a sweeping uh ruling by the ninth circuit, but the that the court also immediately thereafter narrowed That somewhat general statement And I cannot read that It states naturally our holding does not cover Individuals who have I can pull it up on my laptop where it's very legible I just want to read it because I don't think members of the public are probably going to be able to read that either Naturally our holding does not cover individuals who do have access to adequate temporary shelter Whether because they have the means to pay for it or because it is realistically available to them for free But who choose not to avail Themselves of it or choose not to use it Or it goes on nor do we suggest that a jurisdiction with insufficient shelter can never criminalize the act of sleeping outside Even where shelter is unavailable an ordinance prohibiting sitting lying or sleeping outside at particular Times or in particular locations might well be constitutionally permissible The reason why the court didn't address that issue Head on but just made a general statement like that is that that was not The issue before it and so that we took guidance from the language of martin specifically The general holding as well as these narrowing Statements and incorporated that into the ordinance that's before you tonight So now i'm going to go over the proposed amendments and And the the format here is to provide you with the current Camping ordinance language and this is just a general Summary of the ordinance language that's in your packet And a comparison to what is proposed So the current ordinance chapter or section 6 36 0 1 0 Prohibits in the city on public or private private property Sleeping between the hours of 11 p.m. To 8 30 a.m Setting up bedding between the hours of 11 p.m. To 8 30 a.m And setting up a campsite anytime and those terms are all defined in the code New sections 6 36 0 2 0 Well, let me take a step back what we've proposed in the new ordinance is to distinguish between That occurs during daytime hours and encampments that are set up During the nighttime The sound just changed A new section section 6 36 0 2 0 daytime camping prohibits Establishing or maintaining encampments between 7 a.m. And 10 p.m And requires a warning and a reasonable opportunity to remove belongings before a citation is issued Um I will add that I've distributed and there are additional copies that are available to members of the public to review of a new revised version of section 6 36 0 2 0 that takes into account some Correspondence that the city's the city council has received Since the posting of the agenda and i'll go over that when we when we get to it Uh new section 6 36 0 3 0 prohibits sleeping or setting up an encampment between the hours of 10 p.m And 7 a.m. Um, so how does that Take into account the language of the martin versus boise decision Well the current ordinance Which was amended most recently i think in 2006 by the addition of section 6 36 0 5 5 states that If a citation is issued when the winter shelter At the national guard armory is full Then there's an exemption for violation If a person is on a current waiting list for shelter at the homeless services center or river street shelter And requires my office to dismiss citations issued and above uh in those circumstances And the way we implemented that direction was to check in with the homeless services center When we received citations for violations of the camping ordinance And if a person's name appeared on that list Then we just no filed those citations or or if we Discovered after the citations were filed we asked the court to dismiss them The new proposed ordinance with respect to nighttime camping Incorporates the language of martin versus boise in states that will not be enforced against persons experiencing homelessness If there are a greater number of homeless individuals in the city And available shelter beds and at the time a citation issued is issued The person has no actual and immediate access to shelter. So what this sets up is a process whereby If a person who is camping in violation of the nighttime encampment restriction Uh is contacted by a police officer Before a citation can issued the police officer would have to check with available shelter facilities Determine if they have space available Um refer that person to uh the available shelter and offer them the opportunity to Um to avail themselves of it and to to go to the shelter Before a citation can be issued Current ordinance also has several uh circumstances in which camping is permitted Uh specifically camping areas designated. They're designated for for camping Camping events authorized by the parks and rec recreation director pursuant to a different section of the code Camping events authorized by the city council per the same section With respect to the parks and rec director Or camping in the rear yard or enclosed side yard or for residents with the consent of the owner or occupant Camping in a church parking lot in a licensed and registered vehicle But the code limits that uh provision to three vehicles in a given parking lot Or parking lot of a private business with the permission of the owner and tenants And that provision restricts the number of vehicles to two Also, it permits camping in a residential off-street driveway But is limited to one vehicle and three days per calendar month The proposed ordinance, uh largely mirrors Section 6 36020 This is section 6 36040, but it also authorizes the city council to Allow camping events in specific locations by resolution I would also just point out that the council received a request from the association of faith communities Which um manages the Parking lot a shelter program on church parking lots and they have requested that the council consider Increasing the limit on vehicles parking in church parking lots from three to five The current ordinance permits camping in city parks With a permit from the parks and rec director And it attaches several conditions to that such as the provision of sanitary facilities liability insurance Rafi's collection that sort of thing But it limits camping events for more than three nights in any calendar year Except in conjunction with some habitat or park restoration project New section 6 36050 also largely mirrors the current language But allows the city council to authorize camping events They're not limited to three three days in any Calendar year that's a type an error in my power point up there current ordinance provides that a violation Initial violation is cited as an infraction and the ordinance specifies a 20 fine or eight hours of community service proposed ordinance Largely mirrors the current language, but reduces the community service hours to three The current ordinance also makes a As a mist declares a misdemeanor a person who is cited For a first offense and then is subsequently cited within 24 hours But it's not applicable to the sleeping portion of the ordinance only to the setting up an encampment language proposed section 6 36070 Declares a a misdemeanor a subsequent violation within 48 hours So it extends the time period which in within which a misdemeanor citation can be issued But it is not applicable to a violation of the overnight camping restrictions So that would continue to be citable as an infraction I mentioned at the outset the standard operating procedures which are intended to provide Due process to individuals who are contacted by the city and who are required to dismantle or remove An encampment that's that's made illegal under the ordinance The current language authorizes city officials to remove any encampment found An immediate threat to health and safety 4th width and for occupied encampments Also requires a warning and an opportunity to remove the campsite 4th width and that 4th width language is Potentially problematic under principles of due process The new language requires the development of Standard operating procedures similar to those adopted by resolution of the council in april To ensure that due process is provided when an encampment is removed And personal property is taken into custody and the reason why we're recommending the development of new standard operating procedures Is that those that the council considered back in april were specifically Drafted with the intent of addressing the gateway encampment Situation and we've found in the month's sense That they don't really work in all circumstances So what we envision is working with staff and the police department to Prepare a new set of standard operating procedures that looks at various different circumstances and May have different timelines for providing notice And and that sort of thing that are more tailored to different types of circumstances that might be encountered out in the field It authorizes the removal of attended and Undetended encampments, but only after providing notice and an opportunity to remove the equipment and personal belongings It requires posting of notice of removal and an opportunity to retrieve personal belongings That are not deemed health hazard a contraband or evidence of a crime or garbage And for items that are not removed by The occupants of an encampment it requires that the city's store specified personal effects essentially anything of value that isn't considered a biohazard or or Clearly is is not something that's intended to be kept And pursuant to existing state law requires the storage for at least 90 days So what would happen is the site would be posted before The the encampment is removed It would again be posted after with notice Indicating that the property has been taken into custody and instructions on how it can be retrieved The recommendation is At the council consider The ordinance that's before you for introduction With further amendments to section six thirty six oh two oh That's a typographical error on the power point also consider the AFC request to increase church parking lot vehicle limit to to five I was remiss. I did mention in the staff report in the in the report that There was a presentation made to the catch on Earlier in the week or last week and at the time the catch By consensus Asked to be provided with a draft of the sops before they're brought forward to the city council To to have an opportunity to comment and provide their input before they're adopted and implemented Uh secondly That the council receives input from the catch and the community on designated allowable sleeping areas For those unable to accept shelter available to to personal circumstances I didn't repeat that in the report because it didn't deal directly with the ordinance But is really more geared towards the city manager's portion of the presentation And that the the council received input from the catch and the community on more allowable car camping locations and uh provisions Um, I will further So here are the amendments to section six thirty six oh two oh And this these amendments are designed to address concerns that were raised about the breadth of the daytime camp encampment Prohibition So the new language states That camping Between the hours of seven a.m. And ten p.m. Shall be prohibited If it reasonably appears based on the totality of the circumstances that a person intends to remain in the location overnight And or the person has occupied the site since before six forty five a.m On the date when enforcement action is taken by the police department The other addition is That it states that nothing in Subdivision a shall be interpreted as prohibiting the use of cooking methods and cooking locations Otherwise authorized by law where the conditions described in subdivisions a1 or a2 are not fulfilled Or the use of blankets recreation equipment or similar items for daytime use in parks beaches or on private property Where the conditions described in subdivisions a1 or a2 are not fulfilled Or the use of daytime tents in the sand areas of the beach where conditions described are not fulfilled Or the act of sleeping in public places during the daytime When those conditions are not fulfilled the conditions being Evidence based on the circumstances of intent to remain overnight so again This is narrowly designed to address the issues raised by the court in the martin versus boysy decision Other cases that have interpreted that decision our own experience in litigation arising from the dismantling of the ross camp in discussions with city attorney colleagues all over california about how they're Attempting to deal with the The implications of the martin versus boysy decision I guess one last note is that there is a pending writ of certiorari before the united states supreme court By the city of boysy asking that the supreme court take up the martin case Or consideration in this coming term of the supreme court A decision on whether that will occur is expected sometime in december Happy to answer any questions Thank you for the presentation Um, so we'll go ahead and see if there's any questions From the council at this time and then we'll go ahead and open it up to public comments So now's the opportunity for the council to ask questions. Councilmember clever Thanks. Uh, thanks for the presentation tony So just with regards to you mentioned that so peas and redoing them and everything they're When we made the direction on february third november 12th, excuse me I've emphasized the importance of incorporating the conversation of the phoenix camp that was forming behind the Ross shopping center And you know was that oh, that's uh, that'll be covered But then three days later the camp was enrated and closed by the police department So I was just curious uh regarding phoenix camp where all of the so peas followed So for example, was there 72 hours given to the notice given to all of those? That were there no, um On further analysis subsequent to the city council meeting we determined that the conduct that was going on at the at the location Behind the ross was a trespass. That's a violation of state penal code And we relied upon the direction that the council gave at the Meeting in april at which time had directed that the ross encampment be closed and that Upon the closure that it not be Made available for members of the public to re-enter the site so at the time that the Encampment was re-established or attempted to be re-established What happened was that The folks who organized that encampment Broke the padlocks that the city had put on the gate and entered illegally So we looked at it as akin to someone who entered into the city's corporate yard or the police departments Closed off parking lot who are trespassing So it's not the same as a camping Uh issue that arises on property. That's accessible to members of the public And so so you're just to clarify So you're saying that uh, we're not required to give any notice or any Kind of awareness when we're moving into remove a group of people that are on a site that maybe or may not be trespassing That's right different rules apply to someone who's trespassing than to someone who's um simply camping on property That's accessible to members of the public and what are the Uh, would we need to establish new sops associated with trespassing in order to make it so that we were required because Maybe the next question will clear it up. Um, did Santa Cruz city manager staff Santa Cruz police department rangers or members of the fire department instruct people to move over to the phoenix camp subsequent Or previous to the rating and clearing I'm not sure. I don't quite understand the question Well, did any city staff or police department? Representatives instruct people to move from their current location over to the phoenix camp before it was closed I'm not aware of that. Maybe one of the other colleagues here might be able to answer I'm not aware of any instructions to do that So where do they move from to there? There's to be a question But no we did not tell anybody that they could go to the phoenix camp. Okay. That's just um There were many people that uh on the day of the closure stated that they had been told To move from the post office Over to the camp the night before it was closed So, um, I've just it's concerning for me Especially if we're not required to give notice to be sending people from one place to another and then closing it Based off of a kind of loophole in our SOPs that doesn't require us to give them Notice anyway, that's that's my question. We don't need to get into the conversation yet. That's coming after a public comment, which I look forward to Can you uh confirm or deny the Older woman identified as a miss bonnie hill that was found dead on cedar street recently I don't have any information about that Thanks chief. I'm I'm sure we investigated but I'm not aware of the details City manager I'm not familiar with the case I'm surprised it was covered by A news station citing two deaths recently of miss contero and now miss hill So that's interesting that no one knows anything about it I mean, I'm aware of that it happened. I just don't have the details. I thought that's I'll go Maybe if you could please keep your Voices down or your comments to yourself We're going to have an opportunity to hear from you many of you who have actually actually requested additional time as a group So we'll have an opportunity for now the council to ask questions I would appreciate it if you could please reserve your time and we'll hear from you when public comment is available So please continue with your just want us all to take a second and listen to that rain That's hitting the window right now So Tents sorry about tents. So, uh, the restrictions make it so you can't have a tent up In the middle of the day So what are people supposed to do in this kind of weather during the day? I'm just curious about what that logic or strategy is are they expected to Hover under doorways or under a bridge or what's our what's our recommendation for folks like that if we pass these amendments one of the um One of the reasons for the proposed revised language that was just distributed This evening was to address that concern that's been raised by members of the public in response to the draft and And so I think we've made an effort to address that circumstance And what is that? Can you reiterate it for us? Yes Does not prohibit the use of blankets recreational equipment or similar items for day use in parks beaches are on Private property where the conditions described in One a or a two are not fulfilled or the use of daytime tents sand areas of the beach where the conditions in a one or a two are not Fulfilled or the act of sleeping in public places where the conditions described in a one or a two are not fulfilled So so maybe that's why I was a little confused because it says tents on the beach But then it says recreational equipment in parks. So do tents qualify as recreational equipment? Uh, I would say so, but I think the council could clarify that further in the One you have when you discuss the item. Okay, wonderful. Thank you. Um, the other question I had Had to do with oh The the misdemeanor aspect of and I realize it's already in the ordinance, but uh Is it Beneficial to add the criminal records to people if they get a citation and then Come back in the next day because they don't find another place to go or I mean, what's uh, what's beneficial to the person who's arrested for or to us or to the criminal justice system I mean we heard from the police chief about or in a correspondence that he put out about the The severe lack of attendance of people that attend also that $20 Fee that's associated with it is kind of misleading because we talked about this with the bail schedule where the $20 fee is just a City associated fee, but the court fees can be levied as over a hundred dollars. So it's just concerning To to have that incorporated in here. I'm just Wondering. Wow. Thank goodness for generators The other question. Oh was uh, did you see the message from the east? I will respond to that question. Okay. Yeah From my perspective, it's an enforcement tool that that we have available That gives us additional The additional ability to deal with circumstances where we have repeat violations of the ordinances requirements Thank you, and then are you aware great tool, but it is an additional tool. It is a tool. Yes a Yes, well, we can agree or disagree on the merits of that tool, but Um, have you seen the letter from the ACLU? Yes, I have Okay, uh, I just want to make sure that we're all aware that the ACLU the national law center on homelessness and poverty And the disabilities rights of california have all come out in opposition to These ordinance changes. So we should take that into consideration as we move forward. Thank you now just add that the modifications Just going to add that the modifications proposed this evening are also intended to address some of the issues raised by the ACLU and others Letter All right, vice mayor One quick question In the slide that was on exceptions There was a portion that said police identify and offer Shelter placement and an opportunity to relocate With specificity around offer shelter placement. Does that mean that the police would then help individuals? like Get to those shelter areas or I just wanted to get this clarification This doesn't appear on the slide, but the ordinance itself states that the police department may but are not obligated to offer transportation Um, so there are circumstances. I'm sure when It might be convenient or or feasible to provide transportation, but the ordinance itself doesn't require And I guess there's a follow-up that currently the police are not allowed or is it just It's at their own discretion. It's at their own discretion. Thank you Well, I'll give a question Going back to the $20 fine Somebody said it was 198. Does that sound right? We'll have a chance to hear from you if mr. McKenry if I could please have you keep your comments down We're going to go ahead. I've actually allowed you to have extra time on behalf of your organization We'll have a chance to hear from you again This is the time for the council to ask questions of our staff And then we'll have public comment in regards to hearing from the public on this We'll go ahead and have you answer the question at this time I I don't have a specific figure, but that doesn't sound too out of line with with the penalties In fees that are imposed by the courts. So and when you say I'm three hours of community service Is that cover the whole 179 198 or is it just the 20 dollars that we levied in fine? if the court Allowed A person to perform or or if the person Asked for community service in lieu of a fine and that would cover the whole fine Not just the not just the fees and penalties And i'm going back to the notice of removal is When you put the notice of removal, how many hours do people have to move their stuff out of the 72? The current sop states 72 hours But that's not really workable if there's an encampment set up On a sidewalk in front of a business So we plan to bring that back to the council for consideration Of a range of notice requirements depending on specific circumstances I don't know if you said or the city manager you said conflicts with women and children population I was just I caught my ear. I was wondering what what that was about Mostly what I was referring to there is that at the shelter We have currently with respect to the lower speed facility It the way the facilities are set up. It's it's really difficult to separate You know the family and in women from The men population there It'd be nice to have a facility that could be more focused on providing shelter for women and children Others with special needs, which was the the approach we had used previously So there's a need for that and I think having extra additional shelter capacity would allow for us To to be able to do poor that because occasionally there are you know situations where it's just not the best Option to have the the the populations commingled and they'd be Helpful to be able to have some separation To address a variety of different issues that that was the incident Are they commingled now at the laurel street or no? Yes. Okay. Thank you, ma'am All right, my understanding is we do have another presentation. Is that correct? All right chiefs mills You're up Go ahead and have you present as well Having trouble finding that Presentation got it Well, good evening, mayor and council members. This is an assessment of our assessment of The quality of life issues and the implementation of this policy and how it may affect behavior As we Considered this and working with the city attorney's office and the city manager Tony condadi was the what and I believe this may be the why We think feel it's important First of all, as we all know this is pretty compassionate community But at the same time there's a significant growing sense of frustration in many parts of the community And we all see that in a regular basis via Email and many other forms of communication We are very mindful as a department that our approach must be balanced Compassion with accountability constitutionality with enforcement If they get out of balance, then we that's when we wind up having difficulty Um, I just want to throw a little bit of caution in here This nor any other ordinance will solve our homeless problem I think if we need to state it up front and be pretty clear about that That uh, this ordinance may affect some of the behaviors of some of the calcitrant ones However, overall it's not going to stop a homelessness We recognize that the cause of homelessness drug addiction mental health and housing are not included That because this is not in the swim lane Of the city of santa cru of the city of santa cruz And some of the homeless that I have talked to desire a nomadic lifestyle where they don't want our help And they don't want to live by the norms of our community. So therefore This these are the laws that may become necessary A recent article in los angeles times Mentioned that 95 of los angelenos said homelessness was their biggest problem Anything that rates more than traffic in la has got to be a significant issue Santa cruz is not much different We're at 93 percent according to a recent survey Either Somewhat serious or a very serious problem Yet and santa cruz interestingly enough that crimes the concern of a crime actually reduced So santa cruzans view this as a very Significant and important issue And and we hear that on a regular basis I just do want to point out the Tension and the frustration that I hear from Staff as well as community members on a regular basis Recently two city Workers were assaulted on lot 27 in one day Numerous complaints of intimidation by some of the homeless community Photos being taken of children horns being honked in front of homes refusing to leave property Encouragement to expropriate items from corporation corporations There's also been a few cases of vigil vigilantism We need to point out Two men were shot with BB guns in one night by juveniles Two homeless men were shot by Juveniles with BB guns in one night. We are currently investigating those crimes Encouragement of violence on line From both sides of the of the equation. We see this Regularly and it's something that is not acceptable to me To the men and women of the Santa Cruz police department nor anybody should be anybody in this community Um, accountability is the issue at hand for us as a police department. I'm only talking about us as a police department SCPD has must and will continue to help those who want and need help That's part of our responsibility as human beings and as part of this community Some people don't want the help. So the question becomes how do we gain their compliance? And the compliance piece of that is we have not had anything that we can do with the enforcement side That has been a source of frustration for the men and women of the police department We understand accountability comes through the justice system and we are only the gateway To that system. It's a start. It's not the end Whether they get fined or found guilty that's a different that's not our responsibility Policing is however an important element But I just want to be clear one more time. It's a misplaced focus if we're talking about solving homelessness It's only to control the behaviors of those who Are are not Following the the norms of our society Historical efforts to solve problems have been pretty robust here in Santa Cruz You can see all the items listed on the left side and on the right side We've issued 11 000 citations in a in a pretty short period of time with 8700 of those Going to people with no addresses most of those fail to appear in those citations Those are mostly infractions were sent to collections Which the logic of that Is uh, you know escapes me Uh, the impact on police services is substantial A sample of calls for service during day watch 36 per call percent of our calls related to homeless persons That does not include reports where suspects where the suspect identity was not known A recent review of crime statistics in this Santa Cruz found that Those without an address were 14.5 times more likely to be victims and 12 Times more likely to be the suspect in violent crime These numbers do affect police availability Volumes of calls for service our response times and reduces Our effectiveness because there just aren't solutions at this point that we can point to Concerning camping uh, and narrowly on the camping topic our tool belt is empty We understand that we must rigorously protect the constitution and operate within operate within the law There has not been an ordinance that we can enforce We're bound by the night circuit of appeals as uh, as the city attorney mentioned and But however we can enact legislation to deal with some of these things in a thoughtful way For a lot to be effective. It has to be a certain swift and fair One of the things we're going to do is separate two officers to give full-time attention to deal with quality of life crimes Such as theft drugs and complaint driven camping It'll prohibit this law also Allows us prohibit camping or sit-up camp during the daytime, which is when we get most of our complaints And then demand the uh, it also demands that we offer shelter to the homeless And allow for increased leverage for those who refuse while at the same time protecting personal property We take that very serious as a department And just to close uh, the ability of santa cruz to meet the challenge Will not come from one single law For the police to enforce but from our collective efforts to collaborate with those who share a common vision Not of what santa cruz once was but what we should be now And uh, we're prepared to do our part and uh, and we'll answer certainly any questions that you might have The questions for our chief here councilmember glover Andy, you're great in a lot of ways I really appreciate you we've we've connected a few times and have some shared values, especially on Trying to Rejuvenate the concept of law enforcement and all that kind of stuff. So, uh, appreciate the the presentation Can I ask why you use the term? the homeless or homeless as a I mean, it just seems You know language matters and I noticed that in the slides, um The people were referred to as homeless to assaults by homeless on city staff, which is Always of course never okay. I just want to keep our staff as safe as possible But then when it was BB gunshots, it was two juveniles So it just seems The language associated with the way that we're talking about people that are living on house Is problematic and it's something that brought up previously with the term abatement for camps because abatement's usually used for like Rats and roaches and those kinds of nuisances. So as opposed to say closure of a camp or relocation of a camp or all that kind of stuff So, you know, I was just hoping maybe I guess the question is can we be a little more sensitive in our, uh intentional language maybe in the future just a request Council megalover, of course, we can always be more sensitive. Thank you. Oh and then one more thing um interesting term of uh terminology the quality of life crimes Um theft drugs and complaint driven camping Uh, can you explain the rationale around that language? The quality of life crimes Well, certainly theft drugs Are affect the quality of life for people in our in our community and so does Complaints where people are camping because a variety of things lack of sanitation Lack of disposable, uh, you know places to dispose things The disease that can come with it. It's not healthy for the person camping either And we clearly understand that, you know, I read your piece this morning about Sleeping out. Thank you. And I can can't imagine what it would be like for that person But at the same time there has to be some level of of um Of quality of life for not only the people who are houseless, but also the people who are living in this community Thank you for that. Appreciate it Any additional questions councilor brown? I just have a quick question. Thanks for your presentation. Thanks to everybody with respect to the requests from the association of faith communities to increase the number of spaces made available um, I'm just wondering because I think that's a great idea and I've been thinking about this and I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to ask you Previously, but I'd like to get your thoughts on that and also ask you if If we did raise that Could we also suggest that exceptions could be made? pending Kind of scpd review your review where it seems like it makes sense and upon request of institutions Just wanted to get your thoughts on that Um, certainly that's uh, you know your decisions council members to to make that however um, I think it depends greatly on the location the the size of the lot the uh facilities that are present and available And also the people that might be there um And the capacity of the associated faith communities to Correctly manage that location We want to make sure that they're able to scale At a at a pace where they can manage that effectively so we don't wind up losing the great progress that we've made I guess that's why I wanted to I'm just wondering about the possibility of There being some kind of system where you can review that to make a determination if it makes sense and based upon your The police department's understanding of the particulars Yeah, we review many types of uh permits and we certainly can do this one as well Thanks, it's a possibility the other questions at this time Seeing them we'll go ahead and move to our public comment portion of this um evenings agenda I had a number of requests for group um public Sort of speaking time and I just want to remind those that have made those requests that You're speaking on behalf of your group and as um in order to ensure those that have an opportunity to speak as well That they're acknowledging that you're speaking on their behalf and you're going to encourage those members who are here part of your group To avoid any kind of duplicate duplicative language. Essentially, that's the intention of having a group presentation So those that are here um that are with the group know please know that uh, Mr. McHenry from food not bombs Mr. Norris from huff a miss cool from homeless united Miss falls and mr. Brokaw from the santa cruz chapter of the aclu Okay, thank you for the correction santa cruz homeless union and um the santa cruz chapter of the aclu of northern california As well as surge from stepping up santa cruz have all requested Additional time to speak on behalf of your group. Um, and that is a Component of the council policy in regards to having them be a united voice in that way So that said i'm going to go ahead and ask that any any individual who has young children I do see there is a young child here can come forward you'll have up to two minutes Then we'll go ahead and open it up to the one minute and then um Go ahead and have the group presentations and then return to the two minutes So please come forward if you'd like your fault if you'd like two minutes. Thank you Hi, my name is crystal santa's i'm the president of the sacramento chapter of the national homeless union I'm here for a very long far away. I'm also on the board of supervisors sacramento homeless organizing committee As well as safe ground As an elected officials it is your duty to be morally and ethically right to all of the all of your people Placing this band does not provide any type of solutions besides making temporary By maybe temporarily appeasing some complaints and criminalizing the unhoused. It is however placing One or more stress on the homeless that are facing survival We are in a homeless crisis pushing people who are already trying to survive as cruel and unusual punishment and wait and a way to Sidestep marn versus boise systemic racism. Sorry systemic racism meaning broken policies is what has caused this crisis It has caused a society to break and has caused failure pitting residents and businesses against the unhoused and each other This camping van will further pit people as people will be shoved in front of businesses and in neighborhoods and in parks They have the right to be somewhere Daily moving is not an option for many It causes further ptsd and doesn't um allow a lot of time for wraparound services Let's open up buildings parking garages. Let's work on building bridges as a whole Homelessness affects everyone. It isn't going to just go away. This needs to be a state effort community effort We need to treat this the way that we treat other crises. It's like fires Get the resources to the people and open single occupancy shelters And then as far as your guys is uh ban It doesn't say anything about anything about people that work at night So where are these people that are homeless going to go during During this time these are things that you need to take into consideration We are all over california and we are fighting this my our mayor is daryl steinberg the commissioner of your guys's task force And this is a mess. We need to do this as a state not as this community Breaking up all these ordinances. Thank you Unless there's any other individuals with children here who wanted to address us on this topic We'll go ahead and see if there's any individual who wants to briefly address us in the one-minute time frame Um, is there any individual who like to briefly address the council in one minute? Please come forward? Hello, my name is um lee lebrey And and I I I'm going to say this from my heart and I certainly don't want to offend anybody in this room at all But I was I was going to ask if perhaps we could all come to a mutual agreement about the cemeteries my my husband has recently passed away and at the cemetery My girls visiting his grave were Were catcalled and I've been yelled at and I was just hoping that perhaps we could all To make the cemeteries a little more sacred and private To someone that that wants to be there and I apologize. I don't mean to offend anybody and I'm I'm so very sorry about the trauma that Santa Cruz and everybody's under and the trauma around death in general, but I'm sorry. I was just hoping we could all work together for a solution. Thank you. Thank you All right next speaker. You'll have um also one minute I at least want to speak to the the car camping I'd like to for for private lots. I think the numbers were we're only five right now It's like two or three per lot Like if if somebody is allowing people to stay on their property I think you should allow more than however much they can they can provide they should be able to provide As worlds are they going to go and if somebody gets impounded like that's their last refuge before being on the street So so please please work on the car camping Uh, my name is fred and tacky. I'm a commercial real estate agent here in Santa Cruz I manage properties. I represent owners and I also manage the building with the Santa Cruz visitor center is And we've been dealing a lot with the uh homeless or unhoused issue for a while as it affects businesses And I know that this is a community that wants to find justice and safety for everybody But I also know that if we don't have a Place where businesses can do well, it's going to affect the The whole city and people will leave and or they will not they'll choose not to do business here That said, I hope we look at other alternatives like the The city of a solid city is done In creating housing and building housing using federal state and local money to build permanent housing where there's no Basically, you can move into the housing. You don't need to meet all these qualifications first It's it's people need housing then they can get their act together. That's the way it works So I'd be happy to support that anywhere I can so thank you very much Next speaker for the one minute time frame, please come forward Actually, I just have a question. I've been seeing other cities and other states out there Building these tiny home villages. Is that something Santa Cruz can consider? Um, and so why haven't we done that yet? Is there any other member of the community that'd like to address us briefly before we have our group presentations? Please come forward if you could please speak to the microphone. Thank you I'm Lucero Luna, and I was at the Phoenix survival camp on November 15 at 6 30 We told that We were trespassing and we had 10 minutes to leave I was I was told that there were resources and Yeah, I was called Santa Cruz a recreational facility. I stayed there five days I was the community bailed me out and I just asked The chief of police and the meals and the meals Earlier, I said, where's my bachelor to the Hyatt? You know, that would be a resource, right? Thank you Everyone thank you for your service to the city and thank you everybody for being here as part of a democracy I'm a graduate student at UC Santa Cruz and I want to speak on behalf of the students in our community Just a short story. My housemate just started his phd in neurobiology smart kid He took a really really bad fall on his bike this past weekend and he Showed up on sunday evening and his face was completely marred He said that he couldn't afford the 125 co-pay for the hospital as a student And so he waited until monday to have a professional clean his wounds and confirmed the indeed he had broken a rib By the literal skin of his face He's going to be able to pay rent to continue living with me in my house this month So there's that for him But I beg the city council to consider for other people who face other accidents and You know where they might be ending up if they can't pay rent in the city and further I invite the council to consider What houseless students are expected to do with all of their stuff when they're trying to go to class and get an education? Thank you I'll take the one minute time for him sir. Were you interested in speaking on behalf of this item in one minute at this time? Please come forward Thank you I I wanted to sort of reiterate what angel said There's a definitely a need for for people to have a way that they can integrate Or self organize I was at a meeting at for monica last night and What the elders were saying was that there is a place in hawaii that they set up that is very similar That is all centered around sacredness We wake up in the morning and there is a prayer and there is an intention And there is a definite need for some sort of sacred place that people can go to Because I've heard many stories and the extremes that people are facing in these situations really caused them to Need a healing space and the spaces that we're providing in the way that they are now I've heard from women elder women aunties grandmas that they're embarrassing that they ruin a self image And one of the elders said that our enemy is it's not you. It's not the police. It's hopelessness. So let's bring back hope When does desperate human survival become trespass? That'll be a future court case in which the city among others may be implicated um I've been looking after a homeless woman a civilly handicapped homeless woman with the permission of the owners of the place i'm residing in um She stayed at laurel street shelter There was an uproar involving some men Somebody threw a chair at her now. She's got a big wound in the back of her leg Things like that How would that woman on crutches be able to access any of these future shelters that are envisioned? That's why we need the police and other community services to take people like her to the shelter when it's available. Thank you All right, seeing no other individuals who want to briefly address the council on this item We'll move to our group presentations. Um first up is mr. McHenry from food not bombs and you'll have up to four minutes Um Well, first of all, I'd like to you know, we talk about beds, but we really should realize these are gym mats that are on floors With your shoulders touching the people to your left and right And your feet touching the feet of the people at the other end of your gym mat So beds is a bad misleading term Um, I have been in correspondence and in personal conversations with the person responsible for determining the number of available beds and total number of beds per night in in the county and in the city and she does not have any idea What those numbers are? So the numbers that are being quoted here are based on a fiction Ralph does not know the numbers because no one knows the numbers because that is the fact um I would also like to um Point out that I received correspondence and phone calls from uh, ben wood ben wood Lived on the streets for two years and received quite a number of camping tickets Ben Was relieved that after two years he moved into a vehicle and had a 40 hour a week job and now his Wages are being taken To pay for the camping tickets that he got When he was living on the streets before he was fortunate enough to live in a car Which now he is facing the loss of because of these tickets And and so it's clearer that the the the whole idea of what's going on tonight We'll just lead to more problems as a person who rents when I attempted to rent apartments the last time I was searching I would denied Rental even though I qualified in all of their means because I have a misdemeanor Um, fortunately, I didn't learn about anything else, but um, that was enough so that I was denied repeatedly Accommodations now if you're going to give misdemeanors to homeless people And you're going and they finally get to move into a car And then they're finally get a 40 hour a week job yet the city's going to take their money I mean what or and then they can't get into and they're going to have a misdemeanor conviction then they can't run any place You know, you're just you're waging a war against the people living outside It's a war My good friend and a very dedicated volunteer With food not bombs who lives outside named travis wheeler. He woke up to find our other friend Bonnie hill dead on the sidewalk less than one block from city hall two days after Camp phoenix was evicted It's unbelievable that we can have this discussion that that we can have legal ease and and uh, and I want to inform Mr. Andy mills that there is an actual definition for quality of life crimes and not one of the words that you pointed to on your Powerpoint presentation Actually fall under that definition quality of life crimes, which has been what's a Came out of the um Study the kind of a phony study called broken windows study As actually referring to people sitting outside in on pacific avenue in our case or um asking for money Or selling like eric gardener selling single cigarettes when he got killed Not paying a fair evasion. There are all these smaller crimes Most of which are crimes so-called because a person cannot afford to move inside Go ahead and have mr. Norris come up and speak on behalf of his group Does this thing work? Okay All right, I want to congratulate the community Homeless folks and the activists who created camp phoenix a little more than two weeks ago This was camp phoenix which sheltered 60 to 100 people at 50 tents at no cost to the city They established ground space rules entry regulations and a code of conduct They provided a vital space for vulnerable women and elders They brought in toilets and hand washing stations found food options and as columnist bruce bratton said that Claimed it was and I think accurately set it up on territory that was and is of no use to anyone They were drawing disabled folks into a mutual aid situation that also gave community smaritan and social service access to them Housed locals heard and came out to help leveling the ground Left in lump condition by the city months before Fire and law enforcement officials came out offered advice and most important assisted rather than arrested Or blocked this growing homeless community at first Until the morning of november 15th when police suddenly appeared and demanded everyone leave discovering after five days That the many folks taking shelter were trespassing Folks as during the early rouse at ross camp were given at best two days in a motel and that only for some Now i've spent a lot of time in the past focusing on the city's deficiencies Some would say criminal deficiencies, but the real concern is justice and services for the most disabled and vulnerable Outside and just fairness for poor people generally Set aside the millions of dollars wasted not reaching people in the homeless situation the endless studies being conducted and so forth and so on Those outside tonight and every night throughout the winter have no choice, but to shelter themselves People need to prepare how to deal with the police how to pick up their property and move now to work with local neighborhoods to Mutually respect rights and needs Because this council isn't doing it it hasn't done it and it's not going to do it in my opinion In berkeley when the community kept providing support city police finally realized it was both too expensive And too futile to go after the first they came for the homeless encampment I would hope that homeless activists and progressives of all shades and folks in our audience here hold workshops On challenging city police abuses in court and on the streets and following in different city officials to their public meetings And confronting them loudly and repeatedly in real forums where they can't be hushed By a school marm voice who can threaten them with arrest or exclusion They need our support for years activists have been pressing city council And the city manager for sanctuary villages as have had limited but real success in a number of cities Camp phoenix was formed in memory of deseret cantero the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit which campers in the earlier ross camp She died in violently windy weather in the pogonev after she and several hundred other residents were forcibly dispersed From the safer ross camp in violation of commitments from the progressive city council majority We meet on the edge of what is predicted to be a violent rainstorm Which may be the first of increasingly severe weather the mayor city council and city staff don't seem Able to provide the civic auditorium access for current agenda item tonight Even for a limited period of time even though it might have been considered of great public interest Staff under the disgraced former assistant city manager suzie o'hara has repeatedly dangled promises of homeless shelter Navigation try to stay awake, please navigation center overflow shelter space in front of our eyes But this winter there is actually less shelter in spite of the misrepresentations of city manager brunel and virtually no walk-in shelter City council will provide no winter's survival shelter tonight nor will it suspend ticketing for closed areas Trespass on private property public nuisance blocking the sidewalk or lodging laws and those are the real laws Not the camping ordinance We're talking about they'll be used through the winter and have been used through the last two years. All right your time is up We'll go ahead and invite up alicia cool to come and speak on behalf of her group at this time And you'll have up to four minutes Don't start it yet At this time i've invited our legal counsel anthony prince He would like to go over some points and i just want to say that due to the negligence of this council with or without a fancy job I'm already the homelessness response manager. Unfortunately Well, good evening Excuse me members of the council members of the public My name is anthony prince as alicia indicated i'm serve as general counsel for the california homeless union And for the santa cruz homeless union um I want to say first of all I was invited to come here tonight. Excuse me. I'm losing my voice pardon To observe the proceedings and to state put forward the position of the union with regard to the Thank you with regard to the amendments that are being proposed for the camping ordinance I wanted first of all though to Hand the clerk the copy of the letter I know each and every one of you members of the council received this letter. I believe but I want to make a part of tonight's record i'll go ahead and offer that to the clerk um I want to first of all Clarify a few things and that is that the Well, let me just back up and say the uh, mr. Kandadi Made some slight alterations in the proposal Based on some of the concerns that were raised in the letter that was co-signed by the disability rights california The national law center homelessness and poverty and the aclu If those changes were made within One day of receiving that letter So to me that suggests that the issues raised in that letter Are substantial and bear quite a bit more examination for example, the letter raises the issue of The ordinance the amended ordinance would per se declare an unattended camp as a nuisance That's a very sweeping position for the city to take Now that was not adjusted Mr. Kandadi did not make an adjustment to the amended Ordinance the proposed amended ordinance based on that concern raised by the letter There are many many concerns raised in the letter I'm not going to take my time in reiterating them But I would suggest that the members of the council Carefully review that letter Moreover, I would suggest that the members of the council Carefully read the 38 page martin versus boise decision of the ninth circuit I am concerned As to the gravity of decisions that may be made tonight or some other time that are not fully informed You've you've heard a presentation of the city attorney On what is essentially a very complex issue complex constitutional questions Without the opportunity for the council to be informed ask questions and receive additional Information from the authors of the letter for example I want to point out to the members of the city council That not only would the city council be as an entity in the city of Santa Cruz as an entity possibly be liable For harms resulting from the decisions you may make tonight But as individual members of the city council It very well may be That you might as individuals be held liable the general rule of non Of immunity for a legislative proceeding There are exceptions to it and one of them Is is if the proceeding is actually not a genuine legislative proceeding. I would Pause it that what's happening here is not a genuine legislative proceeding That is if the vote is taken to In favor of these amendments I believe it's a circumvention of the ninth the holding of the ninth circuit A form of i'm sorry Unfortunately your time's up All right. Well, let me just uh end by saying that You guys need to carefully consider the consequences here the state created danger You affirmatively put people in ross camp at risk of of harm enough to ask you and we had a Fatality let's just let me make this point. Thank you. Thank you. And um, I would I have to ask you to have to ask you to end your comment Please thank you. Well, I'm not gonna give you extra. We actually gave you extra time most most of the public It's two minutes. We gave you four. So I'm gonna have to ask you to end your comments at this time Okay, well, I'm just gonna say that I'm gonna have to ask you what you're doing here So what you're doing here is taking in action that we'll have to ask you excuse me to end people at risk So sir, sir, sir, you've had a warning Okay, you can silence me here Sir, but we we gave you extra time. We gave your group extra time There are other people in the audience who would like to speak I understand that I'm going to be violating their first amendment right to have their right to speak could I finish my sentence We gave you extra time. We have to ask you to please stop. We will take your comments But i'm gonna have to ask you to please hold you and I advise all the members to carefully Individually consider what's thank you for your time before the body Read the decisions read martin versus boise carefully read the letters and I would encourage You to invite the attorneys who authored those letters as well as myself to come in and have a real Discussion because you're about to do some things which will end in costly litigation protracted litigation And and will very well may add to the list of people that have died again very well may That's okay. That's all right. That's okay. Let me I'm gonna go very well may lead to additional harm or even fatalities. Okay, so i'm trying to make this for the record We're gonna be in recess And your time is up and that's the warning if there's any continued outbreaks that we're gonna Okay All right I'm gonna go ahead and call our meeting back to order if I could get you to please um Quiet your voices. We're gonna come back to order I'll just briefly remind those in the audience here that it's the responsibility of the presiding officer whoever that is whether it's Me in the seat at this time or the future mayor to ensure that we have an opportunity for civic engagement and to do the people's business Without continued disruption And if there is continued disruption then it's also the responsibility of the presiding officer officer to intervene So that we can continue to do the work of the city and I want to remind um, Mr. McHenry and Mr. Prince who I believe has stepped out that I've issued a warning and if there's continual disruption I will go ahead and ask the sergeant of arms to have you leave We had an opportunity to hear from you We want to have an opportunity to hear from other members of the community that want to address the council on this item And ask that you adhere to the rules of decorum And if I don't see you continuing to adhere to the rules of decorum, I will go ahead and ask you to leave I don't want to do that I'd like to have an opportunity to hear from everybody and I'd like to have them to be heard Whether you agree with them or not without disruption or intimidation or distraction with your comments in the audience It shows respect to your fellow citizens And I think that's the responsibility of all of us as we engage in this process So as we left it was group presentations I'll go ahead and invite up the next group presentation that we had a request for and that's Stacey falls and lee brokaw from the santa cruz chapter of the aclu of northern california And you'll have up to four minutes and I ask those in the audience to let them speak without disruption or Or interference, so please go forward. You'll have four minutes. Um, thanks for having us here We're here representing the aclu of northern california and we find that in general Camping bands even with these proposed changes attack Amount to a cruel and unnecessary attack on some of the least powerful Most vulnerable residents of the city We urge you in the strongest possible terms to reject this camping band even with these proposed changes It is undisputed that there are not enough beds in the city for all the homeless people in the city Which makes martin versus boise applicable regardless of whether there is a bed at that moment for that particular person These changes would open the door to abuse For example, it's possible that multiple people having various different encounters with different officers on different beats Might be cited On the basis that they could have taken one of those four to eight available shelter spots and what ends up happening is it's sort of a Shelter bed version of musical chairs or we are concerned About whether police will know at any given moment in time if there are shelter beds available Can a person be cited even if it is impossible or impractical for the person being cited to get to that shelter space without police Transport If this provision remains the ordinance should require the notice of an open shelter bed to be in writing Including the date time and specific shelter space that the officer believed was available so the information can be verified later We also have concerns about the prohibition against daytime use of tents and other things that might constitute an encampment Um prohibiting homeless individuals from setting up a camp from 7 a.m. To 10 p.m Just guarantees that homeless people will have to live out of a shopping cart or whatever else they can find for their possessions It is cruel to force people to assemble and disassemble their tents Pack and unpack all their belongings particularly in the pouring rain When it's guaranteed that everything will end up absolutely sopping wet More over martin referred to the impropriety Impropriety of ordinances prohibiting sleeping sitting or lying in public not just sleeping And was tied to the availability of shelter um A person has a constitutional right to be in public At any time any other reading would require unhoused persons to be in a perpetual state of standing for 15 hours per day Furthermore we were we are concerned about what enforcement of this ordinance looks like that is how does How does a police officer know if someone is homeless and hanging out in the park with a tent with the intention of staying all night All night, or maybe it's just somebody like jeff bezos having an outing in the park with the tent How do we avoid people being profiled based on the way they look? It is very clear that there is a crisis in the avail availability of affordable housing Camping bands do not solve this problem They in fact make the problems worse because people end up with criminal records That makes it even harder to find a job or to find housing or even to apply for public benefits And these types of approaches are also really expensive Solutions to homelessness will require extensive investment in affordable housing job opportunities accessibility and a range of public services But as long as the city police and some of our businesses believe that the evidence of homelessness can be hidden Or swept away by policing and criminalization There will never be enough money For us to adequately adequately address the real issues The last speaker is surge uh cagno on behalf of his group and membership that he's speaking on behalf of this evening stepping up Santa Cruz We'll go ahead and let uh Search go ahead and please you have up to four minutes Okay, this time. I'm gonna talk louder because I never talk loud enough Um Bonnie hill who I don't know if it's confirmed. It was her Um, she Yeah, she was a super sweet woman. She stayed at winter shelter a few times Um It i'm really sad like if you knew her she was a little cutie Um, I hope you come december 19th to the homeless memorial. It'll be a harvey west at 10 a.m and we'll uh every year we have a memorial for all the homeless who have died in our community Um, I'm glad that we talked about health in all policies earlier. I think that's important and I'm glad that That is some of the Santa Cruz thinking as opposed to the bigger political Thinking that doesn't make these kind of thoughts. Um, I I wish that In this thing too, we can find some way to do it And I I really understand the frustration of the police and understand of city manager and city attorney of their job They're not social servants. They're not doing social services None of you guys like work are right now running a shelter or doing social services either It's not your job to get somebody into some sort of program or get somebody into housing that kind of thing Um, we all serve in different ways and we do different things Um, but to design these programs that are about it is about criminalizing a behavior because we're frustrated with the behavior And when I hear the police chief say that they have no tools in their tool belt I I understand that because they're they're policemen. They're not the When I try to connect with somebody who doesn't want to be in any service and the the Resistance is they're dealing with police and enforcement far more than they're dealing with social workers and outreach If we were doing that kind of thing and when trying to meet people so it um Another thing that chief mills mentioned was some people do not want helper assistance. How do we gain compliance? So on the catch we did a Um, a quick survey 75 people. Why do you not why will you not accept winter shelter this winter? Reasons and these are also things that it wouldn't work in the middle of the night with a policeman trying to get them into shelter been kicked out Sexual offender registry They have lice bedbugs scabies or they're afraid of getting them from the shelter and they don't want to go anxiety and ptsd because They're they're pretty close together. There's like eight inches between people a lot of the time Uh snoring. Oh, it's crazy loud there. Can't leave at night that drives some people nuts poor training by staff and feeling Disrespected can't keep all of their belongings stuff stolen Having a pet that's not a service dog can't go Um non ada accessible bathrooms and showers and don't want to feel the judgment for the people who are in wheelchairs And do smell like poo They don't want to be around people who are going to judge them when they can't change their circumstance They don't go to the shelter because of that Um and other people head injury stroke heart attack the different things that make you choose different ways There is a lot of stuff that goes into it when a policeman is talking to somebody about Hey, we have a shelter bed for you go or i'm gonna site you or arrest you um There's a lot that goes into that conversation and I I hope that I think that a lot of this stuff has to be worked out a little bit more something smoother an outreach team or something else That can be working with people that can be building Relationships and stuff like that because that too in the morning conversation is not going to go well Because they don't have the the tools to do it. They're not set up that way They're not funded with social workers to go with them at night um I'm glad that there was talk of the letter from the disabilities right california aclu of northern california national law center on homeless It's poverty. I hope you do read that because it says a whole bunch of things that were problematic with that Um, I'm not a lawyer. I can't say which one's right Your time is up surge And there were a few recommendations from the catch too. Thank you. Okay Public comment Please come forward and you'll have up to two minutes Mayor Watkins attorney kandadi Martin Bernal chief mills and others You are systematically and persistently violating the civil and human rights of your constituents Who you are elected to serve? Just because they don't live in a gleaming mansion on the west side Doesn't mean that they don't the homeless don't deserve to be treated with any less dignity Or be any less represented in how their government operates than millionaires or billionaires Through ill advised efforts to sweep homelessness out of public view The leaders of san the city of santa cruz have violated the majority of the articles of the united nation's universal declaration of human rights In one form or another Here are some examples Article one all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights Article five No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment Article 13 Everyone has the right of freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state Article 17 everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property article 25 Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family including food Clothing housing and medical care and necessary social services And the right to security in the event of unemployment sickness disability widowhood old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control So what do I need to do ask the u.n. Human human rights to send a humanitarian mission here to respond to the dire situation that our homeless population is facing Now that it's cold and raining with winter coming soon and the city's response is woefully inadequate And a couple of more comments of restricting sleeping at night Which is only at night Does not serve people who work at night And how many city staff have been assaulted by homed people Next speaker This has been an amazing evening so far and What I want to talk about is quite a bit different and in some ways i'm addressing it to Everyone who's sitting up here, but it's not mostly what we've heard um I was away last night. I arrived about 12 30 this afternoon very tired It had started to rain the heat was off where I lived it was quite cold in my house So I turned on the the tv wanted to see what was happening here And the first thing that struck me was how bundled up all of you were scarves sweaters heavy coats and Tonight and Every time you meet you were acting on the fate of a whole lot of people in santa cruz who are unhoused I wanted to think about that there you are with your warm things, you know me too and um You are part of a group of people to which I belong And we are called the housed privileged It's kind of like white privilege only it's growing up with the knowledge that you probably always will have a Roof over your head if you want it you might want to go camping You might want to hitchhike across the country, but You're privileged and I am privileged And I think this is so important to remember on a night like this Every time you meet every time these rules come up for you um The other thing I wanted to speak about was how trespassing gets in the way of everything else that has been talked about But many other people have addressed that and maybe I'll put it in writing to you because I think it's an important issue That really hasn't been made central How every all the public property in this town is now a park and off limits Members of council, my name is uh john hall and um, I'm a professor of sociology at ucsc I want to take a step back from a lot of the discussion that's been really eloquent and A lot of people have said far better than I what social scientists have said I also want to point to what chief mills said. You're not going to solve the homeless problem with this ordinance Uh, I would go further than that. You're going to increase the homeless problem with this ordinance and I'm just going to I'm just going to read from the oxford university press journal social problems from a recent Abstract of an article on criminalization of poverty perpetuates homelessness Uh, this research examines how anti homeless laws produce various forms of police interactions That fall short of arrest yet have wide-ranging impacts on the urban poor their analysis shows that uh, the mechanisms through which consistent punitive interactions including move along orders Citations and destruction of property Systematically limit homeless people's access to services housing and jobs while damaging their health safety and well-being Their findings also suggest that anti homeless laws and enforcement fail to reduce urban disorder But create instead a spatial churn in which homeless people circulate between neighborhoods and police jurisdictions Rather than leaving public space They argue that these laws and their enforcement Which affected the majority of the study the participants that they study constitute a larger process of perversive criminal pervasive criminalization consistent punitive interactions with state officials that rarely result in arrest But that do material and psychological harm in short, you're not solving the homeless problem You need to do that Uh, Darius Mosnian again, uh, first I want to say I think the camping ban as rewritten Is very fair very compliant from what uh, our city attorney tells us um But I have to look around I look at the activists. I mean I look at the majority of the homeless folks in this town I look at their advocates their advocates activists They all have one thing in common They're white people This is a white people problem Complete with white privilege. It's like the most perverse sense of perverse. We'll go ahead and pause the time We're gonna go ahead and let you speak miss cool. If you please could keep your comments to yourself We've had an opportunity to hear from you Whether we agree or disagree we're gonna let listen to other people And I'm gonna go ahead and give you a warning at some multiple times I've had to stop the meeting to allow this process to ensue Everybody has an opportunity to speak as long as they adhere to the rules of decorum We're gonna go ahead and allow them to speak even if we disagree with their comments. Please I'm gonna go ahead I'm gonna go ahead and ask those and the members of the community to not speak up This is this person's opportunity to speak at this time. Go ahead I mean look to our latino neighbors They come here with the obstacles some of them with an obstacle of being undocumented They're not looking for a voucher to the Hyatt They're not looking to camp on the water street bridge for three months They're not looking to For a homeless garden project. They have their garden project. It happens to be called driscoll strawberries at 6 a.m. Five days a week Okay, I I will go ahead and ask you to leave I will go ahead and ask you to leave all I say is all right I'm gonna go ahead and ask you to pause your comments Mr. Kandadi my understanding is that this is something I need to allow to have heard at this time. Is that correct? I didn't hear anything in the comments that would provide the council with the ability to Cut off the speaker. No, okay, so we'll go ahead and allow you to finish your comments go right ahead All I'm saying is instead of stomping Clapping cutting locks breaking going breaking fences engage with the latino community Figure it out understand how they tell how they get through living here in the most expensive housing market in the country And any extension expansion of this camping ban is simply an expansion of white privilege. Thank you Next speaker you'll have up to two minutes You'll have next speaker you'll have up to two minutes Mr. Norris if people are leaving, please don't Intimidate with your comments after they are able to speak go right ahead My name is Elise Kasby. I have been studying the homeless issue First hand since 2009 I was residing in berkeley and I started coming over to santa cruz The first thing I want to say is that I strongly urge all the city council members to reject Firmly reject the proposed changes to this ordinance My most basic plea to you is a plea to please have mercy I want you to know something else. My brother was developmentally disabled at birth My mother had multiple sclerosis. I became homeless because of domestic violence of my father I'm not prepared to go into it more now I'm also not prepared to detail what I experienced at the shelters in santa cruz But it was Really awful. That's all I can tell you right now about my personal situation I also began a career in the mental health field, which was pretty much Changed with the advent of ronald reagan's dissembling of our public mental health system So the reason i'm asking you for mercy tonight is because I know from firsthand experience that most of the homeless people that are out there Are vietnam vets Who are suffering from PTSD Our homeless people many with very severe mental illnesses such as schizophrenia many have severe physical disabilities We need to stop using the police force as a point of contact with the homeless people This absolutely has to stop it's so frightening in the context of where we are with such laws as the national defense authorization act Removal of many of our civil rights under this rubric of terrorism I'm terrified right now of going to jail, but I have to say that I am sincerely Contemplating civil disobedience in the face of this These ordinances Mayor council brent adams not speaking for the warming center right now Where are the other agencies who get the multi millions of dollars for homelessness? They're not in this room And there's a reason for that federal government says all this all the millions and billions that go to horrible homelessness Have to follow a whole housing first paradigm and all most of them That's why we see that the homeless services center changing to housing matters wherever money pulls up That's where programs exist where the where all the money is in her homelessness in this country They're not in this room So the people are freaking out because there's really little else that can can happen I see a division on this this board. You are all the people of the community. This is the government It's a factory. Mr. Condati said he's in contact with many other cities. This is so it's it's not about people They're they own things they own the city. We just live in it. But what's true Between the protest tendency take back Santa Cruz counting Syringes and wanting more police and our us activists wanting to to end camping bands and things There's a space in the middle for us people to actually benefit and and homelessness authentically not handing homelessness through yada yada yada But actually and drew brought a lot of things in earlier in his time here I wish that the more moderate council people would have championed it, which is transitional campments safe sleeping zones Parking programs all very robust warming centers. Finally the mythological Navigation center which really picks people who have access to money and puts them on the pathway to housing Pathway to housing is actually a golden bridge to nowhere. We're a huge lie. It's a huge farce We're all stuck in it. It's a train running out of control and all we can do is just scream and we're upset but Through scalability we can actually demand that we provide enough shelter beds for every single person who comes through the door I ask and forgive my pretzel logic. I don't know what I'm asking here But I think it from the bottom rung you have to Help support something like warming center And other programs like that Good evening council members. My name is steep snar my way to the To the city hall this evening. I had to go over the bridge in san lorenzo park the the pedestrian bridge There were several people trying to get a tiny bit of shelter from the rain under the bridge It was extremely windy. It was dark. It was cold It was well before the hour at which it would be allowed to be sleeping This Conversation which is the perennial santa Cruz conversation It's it strikes me a little bit like in washington And we have a congress full of millionaires making decisions about working people And you'll see periodically in certain states are You know groups full of men who are making decisions about abortion. So we have You know a year after a year people who have the Ability to have shelter every night and warmth making decisions in which the people who are without are They're the quality of life of the town It considers those people kind of just an impact on Our quality of life, which is the people who have wealth and and in stable housing So I understand there are legitimate concerns and conflicts that happen when Hundreds or thousands of people are forced to use public space as their private space. I've had plenty of personal Encounters that reflect what chief mills or one of the other presenters showed which was that People who are on shelter commit crimes at a higher rate. I've had threats and problems, but The to me the threshold of human rights is Everybody deserves to have basic dignity shelter Clothing and if we can't provide that first It's it's immoral and unacceptable to criminalize What for us we take for granted what other people trying to get by Brian O'Neill attorney and citizen I would like to make three points First the ordinance language is irrelevant to respect and with respect to constitutionality In fact the city of Boise tried this exact tactic by adding language to its camping ban That law enforcement officers shall not enforce when there is not available shelter space And the court found that the language was not controlling the existing ordinance is not unconstitutional due to wording But lack of shelter space This ordinance runs the risk of signaling that enforceable Enforceability is valid when enforceability of the camping ban has been and will continue to be Whether there is adequate shelter space The ordinance does not set a protocol for determining if and when there is adequate shelter space Creating additional administrative burdens to investigate on a daily and case by case basis in real time When we just heard that that's not possible Second the Boise court did not prevent municipalities from implementing Valid time and place restrictions But constitutional jurisprudence suggests that such restrictions must quote Leave open ample alternative channels to exercise one's rights While this ordinance merely continues the same citywide ban as before I would respectfully suggest that the council direct your staff to do the difficult work of crafting a more nuanced and constitutionally valid time and place ordinance that identifies the specific areas where involuntary sleeping will and will not be allowed Finally, I respectfully request that the council does not If they do adopt the ordinance add language Specifically stating that violations are a civil infraction that do not establish probable cause to search and seize Individuals merely for the act of sleeping Adding such language is necessary to specifically protect individuals fourth amendment rights In particular because of past statements from the city attorney and the chief of police with respect to the main beach camping ban Thank you Good evening council members. My name is Barbara river woman I'm a preschool teacher. I was a preschool teacher for 15 years And i'm appealing to you now as a teacher And to ask you to remember the classrooms that you were in what worked and what didn't work I especially appeal to you mayor wadkins as an educator a teacher and someone who cares about children Rules upon rules upon rules upon rules Every good teacher knows that doesn't work the one thing that I learned over 15 years as a teacher Is that relationships work? We have to build relationships with children. We have to learn to understand them Respect them listen to them talk to them I want to thank chris and drew and sandy For their presence at the ross camp when we were down there. They were there. They were talking to people They were relating to them. They heard their stories I did not see the other four of you down there. Maybe you were there I would like All of you as council members especially the four of you to apologize to them that you can't do better Maybe we can't do better. It's a systemic problem. It's a national problem. It's a horrible problem We're all grieved by but nobody's happy Why can't you apologize to the people in this room who are going to go out into the streets some night Tonight in the rain the cold. I hated to come here tonight It's cold and raining freezing I had the I had the pleasure to meet lucero The other day and have a long talk with her. It was wonderful for me to have that Talk with her to learn about her life to learn about her life in mexico about the hardship She went through coming from extreme property about how she became an early childhood teacher trainer family daycare trainer This makes a big difference to me. Let's build relationships not make more rules You have an important question to ask yourselves and that's how you plan on treating the most vulnerable members of our community You have a choice tonight. You can choose if you want to to listen to the homeless women and men who speak here Listen really listen to their concerns and you can choose to work with them to accommodate their most essential and basic needs That would be the approach of a rational and compassionate human being Which I can only assume many of you claim yourselves to be The other option that you can choose is to listen to the familiar and the privileged voices of the By even allowing this ordinance to continue existing your intentions become entirely transparent The plan is to torture and displace the people experiencing homelessness through endless citations sleep deprivation and thievery You plan to systematically criminalize the self-organization And survival of the victimized homeless people in santa cruz with the end goal of kicking them out of their own city It's reasonable to ask ourselves who the real criminals are here Are the criminals the homeless union who are trying to live in solidarity and build a tolerable existence for themselves? Or are the criminals the members of this community working to crush the efforts of the homeless union for their own benefit? Are the criminals the poor or is it the city manager as he oversees the closure of an autonomous shelter for the homeless And intends to maintain an anti-camping measure that is so extreme It will not even allow people to sleep in their cars or RVs I'd like to remind you that our enemy is poverty our enemy is not the poor i'm nancy cruzo and What's on my mind tonight is the immediate need For a place to be I was at the storage program tonight working before Coming over here it's part of warming center program And I had to turn out a man and woman and it was the rain was pouring and and the wind was blowing fiercely And they were thanking me for staying late to help them get stuff for the night and I did want to Cry because they're walking into the night And it's going to be like the several days this week I think there may be one day of respite when the sun will shine and it doesn't rain but um on Thanksgiving warming center will open because of a lot of we're going to have a heavy rain tomorrow and We will continue to open probably during the rainy period but Taking the the gap that's obviously created by the lack of shelter space and I'm not Advocating shelter as the solution. I've heard and I've you know, I've heard so many I wouldn't want to be there. Okay But there's people who won't be going anywhere And simply we simply have to have a place. We simply have to So I am speaking for the warming center. I would like some support. I think we will be filling that gap And and and I know that it's going to take a while for you to get together to have more spaces But we will start day after tomorrow on Thanksgiving. We are primarily volunteer run And we really do need support from the city If I have any another minute, I want to say Oh Leave your comments with us you're you're welcome to leave the comments. Okay. Thanks. Please come forward Two minutes. I'm going to learn how to use this. I'll watch it. Uh, first of all, good to be here I'm going to be on a positive note. Uh, I think tonight proved that we don't have the Apathy we have empathy And I invite everybody to come and stand in line at venison's I don't know way back when at the vet center To see the community come together to care about the people we're talking about We don't care for the vet center annual Thanksgiving dinner But I want to speak to you in 130 seconds Some of you remember Emily Riley This coming I hope to put out a Email you do some research of what was women rise for peace because that was a big project. Remember How about women rise for the homeless and invite the faith base to hold up at the peace church with peace and social justice Everybody in our city has been up there for some special event If you remember it was a world cafe I don't know some of these people. I'd like to meet them. I'd like to have relationships There's somebody with a badge We as it was world cafe I think the only one that knows a little bit about what i'm doing is drew So the next mayor, please you're up at uc. I'm over at cabrillo Please look at youth power.org and bring it to this council to talk about it What would it look like if we had a youth mayor a youth city council and leaked up for uc and cabrillo And put them on like a next generation commission give them the task like drew does with the interns To do the research And do a report don't put it up in the library Bring it to you to see what they would do to solve both the problem of homeless But proactive prevention because you're going to have a job next year with the county too Thank you mayor. Thank you mayor Who knows I have a couple cell phone numbers And please come and see Stand in line and talk to those people thursday, but enjoy the turkey and we can be a town that Represents all of you. So it's past my bedtime, but i'm saying Thank you, and i did pretty good Who will this ordinance's help i can't see it at all I see People over here talking about a 20 dollar fee Which there are other fees on top of that, but be silent about that. We won't mention that Let's say a person lives outside That mean they ain't got no 20 dollars you give him 20 dollar citation How you gonna pay that so then you get another one And another one oh now he's getting mr. Minas which turned into Another charge he didn't show up for court and this and that that you're creating criminals What good did that possibly do how can this person ever come up? He's getting a criminal record for something you did your work I see the chief and I see his officers out there in the world They're professional patient um Couple other things, but y'all got me talking fast. I see leaders in this room breath I see four right there. This guy right here is very smart. Did you hear what he said? We got a lawyer over there. Let him Create these ordinances He'll do a better job than what we got sitting over here This guy over here. I don't know what he'd do in his office What what do you do? How smart are you? Can you be? I'm serious with the work that I've heard this How smart are you that question you? I'm not talking about you. You kind of alright the guy sitting next to you I see that guy right there drew I see governor and that's why I'd be giving me a thing But it's Glover The work is pathetic you foe need to go and I don't care where I got something but I I'm too I'm too round up Get the point of the message and it's all true. It's all real. I ain't creating nothing It's all real. It's your work pride duck. Yeah, it gets you a breather Okay, my name is Jennifer Landford Brown and I the whole point of me coming to the city councils have been lost in my harm reduction So I was a senior mortgage loan officer for almost 20 years I have a master's degree and had to dumb down my resume. I have a master's degree in criminal law I actually wrote the rules when um 1220 programs started Chris mon teeth turned them in they became certified that whole whole harmless agreement that we used I was assistant manager at the camp. I was down there pulling everybody out I was at sleepouts. I've worked at every shelter It doesn't work guys I was homeless seven months disabled veteran husband in a wheelchair I had $1,400 in tickets. How did I pay those I've got you can look me up google me And um, you'll find I have a degree from William and Mary I It doesn't work guys And what the only thing I worked at the armory. We had to turn people away. I worked at salvation army I left there happy. I loved working with the people But the way that we That it said the shelter systems are set up the police can't do that um, I was married to an assistant chief of police in newport news virginia previously and um I Realize the hardships of the police officers. They cannot do this do not put this on them at all they can't They can't I live on felker street by the way And I lived at 155. I live at 125 now. I just moved up the street Totally give all your money to Brent or something like that because he's got more going on With no money salvation army is worldly Hello, uh west y from selenus co-president of the selenus monterey county homeless union um, just calling in opposition to this uh ordinance in selenus There's seems like selenus and santa cruz have similar attitudes when it comes to homelessness You know, your folks are making millions of dollars in grant money from state and federal agencies to say you're gonna help the homeless Well, if if that's the case then why is law enforcement the only Uh department to come out and and service people you're supposed to have continuum of care We we just had a big blowout in well at the leadership council our continuum of care in monterey san menino counties Where our california homeless union made made a representation about sweeps how many sweeps happen in selenus And this is the same kind of attitude. It's all about no you can't be here. No, you can't be here Well, where can you go if you can't offer a person where to go? Then you shouldn't be just driving people out you need to give people a yes Just like the other lady said she's a teacher. I'm a teacher too. You can't just tell kids No, don't run because the only thing they hear is run So you have to say walk Okay, you're not trying to provide any kind of solutions You're just trying to provide a block to push people out which creates a state created danger And your folks are setting yourselves up for liability. In fact on friday last week 35 city county state and federal representative agencies Politicles all met to say selenus The sweeps is not the best course of action for this crisis And what you're doing right now is the same kind of thing if you pass this It's it's everything about hating people and nothing about helping people So which way are you really thinking about going because your attitude on this vote right now If you got over four people say yes on this you people are haters Good evening. My name is titan cabrica Wow So it's a much bigger problem than just santa cruz I would urge us to use the declaration of human rights as difficult as it might sound as a basis For crafting what we do with local homelessness I would encourage us to cooperate fully with efforts at the state and national level Um And I this may be just a preview of something that will come to the council later About a california green new deal, which is being crafted by romero institute right in this town Which will provide there I can't go into it But solving the housing and homeless problem Is a part of solving climate change and is a part of full employment And is a part of realizing human rights for all of us So let's work together as best we can locally But it's a bigger problem as You know, I served on I was the first organizer for amnesty international in this country And I also served on the sheriff's advisory team and appreciate Mr. Mills for being involved with arm assist last year and I do understand what he's saying about It's not their job to do this and everybody has spoken about how What we're trying to do to help will make things worse So we need a total reorientation of the consciousness build it on human rights And let's create a california green new deal because we can pass that here Thank you Good evening. I'm scott ram When the city When you all voted to suspend the camping ordinance The police continued to tip get ticket campers. They just used other laws which basically is not within the spirit of the Decision on Boise The spirit of that law is if somebody is Outside they're homeless. They're sleeping And there's no place for them to go the spirit of that law is you don't give them a ticket for something else You Let them sleep you leave them alone You know I mean I imagine there's some circumstances where you want to have somebody Move out of the way or whatever if they're completely blocking the sidewalk, but basically The spirit of that law That decision was to Let people be if there's no place for them to be And This rewrite of the law Is no better. It's just trying to You know do the soft shoe around what This decision was And the decision is that people that don't have anywhere to go and you have no place for them to go should be left alone Now you'd not found another way to ticket them You know as the chief said You know you give somebody a bunch of tickets then it goes to collections What good does it do to send a homeless person? To collections they don't even have an address for them to You know write a letter to to say hey you owe us a bunch of money I mean it makes no sense to be traveling down this road the way you're headed with this ordinance It's better to just You know three quarters of the I mean two thirds of the third of the your time is up your time is up is spent on homelessness Your time is up. Thank you. That's that's insane. Okay. Thank you your time is up Okay We're gonna go ahead and close public comment at this time and return back to the council for action and deliberation I want to remind those in the audience that I asked you to respect your fellow fellow citizens when they spoke about things that you didn't agree with I also asked you that you continue to respect this process Even if there's things that come up here that you don't agree with I've had to stop our council proceedings this evening multiple times to restore The meetings that we can continue with the business and I don't want to have to ask people to leave But I will do so if it's continuing to be a problem I do want to recognize the fact that no matter when this item or when this topic comes before the council That it is clearly and obviously an incredibly complex social challenge that Insights a lot of emotion and rightfully and We as a council here before us agendize this for this evening to have a discussion around how What I believe our staff here is presenting how to balance these complex social challenges So that's what brings us back to This process and then now leads to us to have to make an informed policy decision So at this time, I'll go ahead and acknowledge vice mayor Cummings and then council member Glover for potential action or comments So I want to start by thanking all the people who came out tonight to Want to thank all the people who came out tonight to speak up and Provide their comments on this issue. It's as the mayor just said, it's a very difficult topic That we're constantly trying to adjust to address I'd also like to thank the city manager's office Because you know just acknowledging the fact that we have more year-round spaces I think that's something that's very important for our community to understand that we are making strides I'd also like to thank the city attorney's office and the Police chief and the police officers for you know taking more of a compassionate approach to trying to address this issue in our community And then I also want to thank the county supervisors For helping us with the funding that we've been able to use over the past year that has helped us pay for the ross camp The facilities and the cleanup and additionally to 12 20 river street Our community is trying to do the best it can with the resources that we have To address this very complex complex issue And we definitely need our surrounding municipalities to also help us as we're trying to provide shelter Because in many of the Unincorporated areas and in some of the cities that surround Santa Cruz We don't find them offering the same amounts of shelter and we need everyone to help out in this effort With regards to this item. I have a motion prepared, but Really just want to encourage us to not only the folks in this community To not only come and address us here in Santa Cruz at our city council meetings But also to address the county supervisors and cities that are in our surrounding areas Who don't offer as many shelters so that we can do a joint Regional effort at trying to address our homelessness issue. And so i'm gonna make a couple Motions that we may be able to need to separate but the first is to direct staff to work with the county on increasing winter and year-round shelter capacity On-call beds and temporary relocation of the of the river street camp during construction And I'd just like to emphasize that we really try to Put pressure on trying to find more shelter in the unincorporated areas and then the second part is To send the city's amended camping ordinance And the county camping ordinance to the catch for expeditious review and recommendations for a countywide response There's a lot of pieces of this ordinance that i'm very much in favor of but as we've received some new information tonight We first received this ordinance late on friday and we've been receiving a lot of comments from members of the catch members of the community Who really want us to take a little bit of a step back to Reviewing it in more detail allow the community with more opportunity to respond And part of the reason why we put the catch together in the first place Was so that a group of community members could make recommendations on very big items such as the one that's before us today And so I think that that would be the most appropriate way of dealing with this issue tonight and And that's it second We have a motion by vice mayor Cummings seconded by council member crone council member clever and then council member brown Yeah, so Just a show of hands up here on the dais How many have any of you ever slept outside in santa cruz without a tent or just a sleeping bag on the ground? You have what was that experience like? It's fine I was camping you were camping see so so but There's a difference between sleeping outside and unsheltered and camping And I think that's what we really need to stress here in this conversation because we keep using the term camping When in reality what we're talking about is trying to sleep I I ask uh because there was a petition that circular circulating around online Which i'm sure some of you saw encouraging us as elected officials to sleep outdoors and Experience what it's like And this last friday I took up that challenge, which I appreciate the police chief reading my blog that I wrote And I slept outside unsheltered with a sleeping bag and it was probably one of the most exhausting and difficult Experiences I have had in a very long time It was not only difficult in finding winter gear that was affordable in santa cruz And this was before it was starting to rain But also in carrying all of the equipment around with me, which was just the bare minimum of a light backpack and And a sleeping bag, but while I was wearing all of the winter gear. So while I'm walking I'm sweating profusely. I'm trying to get from one place to another then when you get tired and you sit down Uh, you the wind hits you and then you get cold again And that doesn't even talk about the things that I saw while I was out walking around I mean, I don't know if y'all go out at night and walk around and look at what's going on But we have elders community elders that are 60 plus sleeping on hard cement Like areas of the of the ground We have like people leaning up against buildings mumbling to themselves because they don't have somewhere to go I saw a 62 year old woman sitting or you know Some mid 60 year old woman sitting in a bus stop surrounded by all of her Belongings like rocking back and forth and talking to herself because she didn't have a place to go People bent over on the cleaning dirt out of the sidewalks going through trash cans Like these are people that need a place to stay And what we're contemplating right now is not is making it more difficult for them to exist And like not only that experience of witnessing just like the sheer human suffering that was going on It's raining now and when I was sleeping on the ground it was dry So when I woke up in the morning all of my stuff would have been wet There would have been nowhere for me to go, especially if it's like middle of the night Then I had to try to find a bathroom which when I woke up in the morning Which in itself was crazy to have to pack up my stuff I saw an old man that person Jerry that you talked about I walked past Jerry the morning And he's pushing himself in a wheelchair by his heels Down the street and one of the wheels is lopsided So he has to readjust himself every 20 feet from where he's going that guy's like Like these are the people that are on the street right now And we're talking about creating additional ordinance language that would further criminalize them So that we have tools in our toolbox. I think that that's problematic on a lot of levels It's nice to hear the vice mayor wanting to refer it to the catch But we have to keep in mind and you know as being one of the people that suggested and made the motion to create the catch It's a little problematic in some of the responses. They've come back with there There's a lot of great stuff that's come out from You know some different suggestions But like for example access to bathrooms all they want to do is add two more porta potties downtown. I mean that's substantially Less than what we need to be doing So I would encourage us to be more intentional with this analysis of the ordinance and instead of just sending it to catch Making sure that there's incorporation from advocates service providers The Santa Cruz homeless unit specifically since they are engaged and working with the population that are on the streets And Santa Cruz I'm sorry to interrupt you for just a second I'm going to go ahead and ask that you either stand in the back with your sign Or you take a seat as you're obstructing the view of those behind you with your sign You're welcome to stand in the way back if you like with your sand sign and or you could take a seat If you if you like Is this really we're stopping can I can I continue? Yeah, you may continue So An incorporation of multiple entities not just from the catch to be able to get their analysis of what's going on with this ordinance as well as Making a including the motion for staff to prepare a list of possible locations for safe sleeping zones Because I don't think it's relevant for us to be having a conversation about ordinances that are only applicable if People are in specific areas if we don't have specific areas lined out Also is coming forward with the draft so p's what's the catch wants to look at anyway And I don't think it's uh feasible for us to even pass this ordinance or to enact it If we don't have those so p's in in uh In place so why are we putting the cart before the horse before we even understand how we're going to enforce it Or the situation that surrounds it Why are we going to prioritize the ordinance first as opposed to the so p's And then also I think it would be great to instruct staff to look into how we can intentionally incorporate more social workers into our Strategy of engagement to build relationships as we brought it by a community member Instead of focusing on the police which sound like they are overwhelmed already with what's going on So I I appreciate the motion or the intent in it But can you be a little bit stronger in um some of your intention to make sure that we have a robust analysis of the ordinance associated with the so p's And looking at safe parking space or safe sleeping spaces. So when we come back, it's not going to be a Okay, let's pass the ordinance. Oh, wait a minute. We have to do the so p's Okay, let's do the oh, let's wait a minute. Let's figure out the the safe sleeping zones Why are we not doing these and coinciding them together? I've asked the maker of the motion Well, I have councillor brown and then If she councillor brown had an In initiated that she wanted to speak to the items I'm acknowledging councillor brown And then I'll go ahead and acknowledge the vice mayor if he wants to respond to your questions Okay, um, I have a couple of questions for the motion maker as well You know, I just want to say that I Have a really hard time Trying to address this issue as a member of the city council when I was A member of an activist in the community. It was really clear to me what we needed to do And being on the side of the dais it Continues to really disturb me that we have not been able to come up with solutions Um, and I I do not believe that further ways of criminalizing Unhoused for their lack of housing And the behaviors associated with that is is not it's not going to serve us well I I also understand that there are Concerns about and that until we have A whole network of wraparound services and the ability to the resources to fund that Not just at the city. I mean that's that is a regional. It's a county issue. It's a regional issue. It's a state issue It's a national issue and we The society are failing Uh, miserably now I could go on and on about my feelings about that, but it's not going to get us anywhere I um, I guess I I want to say that I support the idea of sending this The proposal to the catch I I think that they are planning to address us on the sops and some other matters I think that um, this is something that And I appreciate that a lot of work has gone into this At staff and the city attorney's office and the police chief and the city manager's office a lot of Thinking about this has you know, it's gone into this thinking. Um, so it's not like People are sitting around and and saying You know, well, there's you know, not thinking about what else we can do. It's a real serious challenge to figure that out I think that we need to take responsibility and try and figure that out at the same time and that the kind of uh, camping the criminalizing and um, you know, strengthening of a camping ordinance Um before we do that is not going to serve us as a community um So, uh, but I do so I do support the motion and I would just ask the um maker of the motion if uh, you might consider two Editions and one is just to be specific about um When sending the amended camping ordinance, uh To the catch for expeditious review um I think that um councilmember glever was trying to get at um You know, it's kind of a more serious a serious review. Um, I'm not sure exactly what kind of language But if there's something that could kind of strengthen the intention to um, have that um, you know comprehensive serious and expeditious review um, and to include in that the consideration of the um association of faith communities requests to increase parking availability um on their request and um So so I think that that's not listed here And if we send it then I would like to have that be considered as well to come back to us And then I also want to suggest that um We've heard a lot uh tonight and I recognize this that you know, we have immediate needs and it is raining. It is cold um People don't have anywhere to go and the warming center is one of the You know one of the only I mean the only program that actually provides a place for people to go immediately urgently When there's nowhere to go Mr. McHenry, I'm going to go ahead and ask you that's I'm going to go ahead and ask you to leave at this point If you I've I've I've mentioned it multiple times at this point to not be able to it's not your it's not your time to speak So we're going to go ahead and ask you to leave at this point for interrupting council proceedings again. Thank you Thank you Yeah, so Go ahead Okay So the so the um I just I'm gonna I'll just finish up on the warming center and then I'll just reiterate so that they're clear Councilor Brown um, so um, so just finishing up on the uh Statement that I was trying to make about the the warming center. Um, you know, I think that Um, given the work that the warming center does given the comments that um, Brian Adams made tonight and in conversations. I've had with him prior to this meeting um, this idea of kind of being able to scale Up a model that's working It's really important that for us to consider and to keep in our minds So I I'd like to include direction to staff to bring back consideration of Funding for the warming center When uh, you report back to us about, uh, alternative An expanded shelter space, which it sounds like is going to happen soon So those are my, um requests And I guess I'll just make one more comment so I can just try to wrap up and I don't want to you know Keep us here coming back around to my comments that I keep thinking of but so I do want to say, uh We've also heard I mean, it's not just the people here who are here tonight. We have heard, uh, you know, we had 300 pages of correspondence emails to city the city council About this included in our post packet production and I didn't I stopped counting but most of them asked us to take more time to Consider the the language and what you know what we are going to pass and it was it was not just Um the folks here tonight There are many more people who are making that request and it was a predominant message So I think it's reasonable to do that. Um, so I'll stop there and Just at so I the first piece was in the second sentence there Send the city's amended camping ordinance and the county camping ordinance to the catch for thorough Deliberate an expeditious review and provide recommendations on City and county wide response Okay That's the first and then request adding consideration of the afc request to increase available parking spaces subject to review by the PD and Yes, so and I so if you're not ready to accept those then I'll just make those as a separate motion afterwards I just want to explain that the afc request and part of why this is going to the catch So there's a number of issues that that have come up with regards to this ordinance One of which is the number of vehicles that a religious institution can have on their lot, which is that there's also The length of time that for example, someone can live in the RV in their own private back in someone's private backyard There are issues around whether or not tents can be up during the daytime These are things that I've been hearing during the daytime when it's raining so the idea behind having it go for review and Getting these recommendations is to deal with all of these issues and allow for the catch to give us recommendations on all these issues So I mean if the afc needs to be explicit, that's fine but My sense is that it's already included as one of the conditions for review since that's something that people have reached out to us with concerns with Could I just so so I I agree with you that there are many other issues that ought to be considered, but I just want to make sure that there is Space for that and there's an understanding that That doesn't get lost in translation Great Vice-member Cummings, did you have anything you wanted to add in? Oh, I was just going to say that you know my understanding is that as these standard operating procedures were being reviewed by the catch So and that we're going to get recommendations back from them So that's kind of where I was thinking I was at with you know How we're going to approach those standard operating procedures with regards to the safe sleeping areas I'm more than happy with in the first Motion that when we have staff Work with the county on increasing winter and year-round shelter capacity that they also include safe sleeping areas Councilmember matthews um Well on this motion particularly I suggested adding the safe sleeping areas to the first motion what I meant by that was specifically the afc managed safe sleeping program the others are more Undefined at this point. I do have a question Maybe it's andy for you It's my understanding the safe sleeping program in church has been on the books for what 15 years or so with three Up to three is that correct? Safe parking safe parking that's what I meant safe parking My understanding is they've had a couple different programs One of which is people stay actually in the facilities. The other one is safe parking and that's fairly new Is my understanding My point being I believe and maybe martin you can tell me that's on the books Yes, the that provision has been in the existing ordinance for many years a long time. Yes Not much used. I guess I don't I don't know much about this, but um Also not a problem from what I understand. I think right generally right right I think the key has been what the afc program is that it's a managed program And so I think that that really is the is the is the principal thing that makes it successful And also there's variations of course as far as what each of the facilities can accommodate In terms of parking space in terms of facilities that are available. So there's various factors that affect that so I understand that I'd Just given on that particular program And there there is now apparently a program for A framework for administering that program I could entertain Expanding that up to five With the churches and the afc's agreement And see how it goes. I really would like to know more about the The framework personally That's something that's on the books, you know, we could initiate that I'm as was suggested not willing to have it go even more if the police chief agrees to Because I think we could with the Oh, sorry With a program that has been reflected a bit in recent years I think there's a capacity to grow it slightly And see how it goes. So I think that's something we could do now without having to Wait a whole lot. So that that was my one comment there Should I speak on the rest of the motion at this point? Could I just interject that the the section of the municipal code that currently allows for Vehicle parking on church parking lots was most recently amended in 2002 Which kind of coincides with my vague recollection of when that was put in place. Yeah But there it is So just other comments The focus of the conversation tonight was about The revised camping ordinance, but I think it's it's And that is the most challenging part of this probably This whole field but I think it's unfair to say that the city is not trying to make any solutions Is not doing anything etc as I think most of the people Here know we we have Invested in a variety of shelters. I see Thumbs pointing down, but the city has made a good effort have it has invested money We have partners in numerous programs. I'm just thinking downtown streets team the homeless garden program Any number of shelters? We we allocate funding for health care dental care Medical care that serve a large number of homeless individuals. So to say we're doing nothing I think is Unfair Not that there aren't more challenges. So I just want to say that publicly I also acknowledge that people I would say not on both sides of the issue But all over the place on this issue a lot of people wanted more time My own and I don't know what's intended by the cash Working on this with the holidays coming up and two readings and all that. I don't know what timeline we're looking at Um, my own preference. I think would be to do a first reading understanding That's got a heck of a lot of work to do but gives us something to go on and then Send that to the cash for comments. So, um, I do feel the need in the community to Try and take a serious effort at giving an alternative To no camping ordinance And start getting something in gear. So that's just that's just where I fall down on the On where we send it and I think would be helpful to get an idea of If it were to go to cash, what's what is the timeline look on that? Because I think putting it off into February is just going to satisfy nobody Yeah, I think I'll echo Somewhat have heard I I am supportive of Expanding the The afc to To up to five vehicles It seems uh, it's it's a good way. It seems like to accommodate people Try to meet them Somewhat where they are and provide them a safe place to be at night um I also You know, I'm reflecting on sort of this just The magnitude of of the issue that I think we've been you know talking about tonight and We You know, we I think many of you have acknowledged this is I I I ultimately the state of california needs to help us figure this out And I think we do have a very compassionate community here And I do think that people are tired on all sides and So, um, I think we need to continue to do the work we're doing I'm encouraged very encouraged. I want to thank the county For their involvement and speaking with us a lot last week working really every day To try to identify Potential additional shelter And I look forward to hearing more from our staff on that but I will compliment the county I think several of us made phone calls the day after the meeting On whenever that was the 12th and many of us were in conversation daily To try to get more shelter available. So I think there is a shortage of shelter. I think we all know that I think also what we're looking at in this community is We really don't have a we have a systems breakdown on this problem and Uh, I think it's important that we keep that in mind that the success that people See in other communities in other states Uh, it really relies on a very systematic systemic systematic approach to how we do this We have huge obstacles here. We don't have housing to move people into yet Um, and we have limited space to build that housing. We have limited resources to build that housing So our system Has some major gaps in it One thing I think even though the ordinance looks to be Preventative maybe in some Preventative in many ways to to many people in the audience um I think the the strength behind this ordinance is Around the contact the concept of of contact with people We need to be looking at diversion. We need to be looking at prevention. We need to have that people contact Unfortunately the bulk of that work is going to probably fall on our police officers I'm encouraged at this point I'm encouraged that Our officers are trained there's We're trying to get connections with social services We're trying to train officers in some of the systems-based approaches to what we we Should be doing to hopefully get people Um in the kind of uh situation that would potentially help them In a more meaningful way than having them be on the streets So I think it's important that we uh do take action tonight. Um, I'm I am supportive of of having the cash weigh in on some on some aspects of this But um, I'm trying to I'm trying to Acknowledge what the rest of the community is also asking the city council to do and that is to um provide some relief from from um various Various folks who are unfortunately right now living living out on our streets and uh So there is no good answer tonight And uh, but I do I do think we should we should move forward and I would be supportive of trying to move this forward tonight In a first reading I have a few comments and then I'll go back to councilmember Glover. Did you want to say something? Um, martin? Yeah, I was just wanted to reflect. I just got a text from megan, uh, who staffs the cash and she was just Letting me know that The cash has two meetings this year And they've they've sort of booked and scheduled them already with with a variety of agenda items including a community outreach. So It might be hard for them to obviously take this on this this calendar year. I just wanted to note that I think that makes sense because I do know that they've been working and meeting regularly and I also want to Show appreciation to the staff for presenting this in advance of this meeting to the cash as well I share all the comments that have been made in terms of increasing the parking As well as really advocating with our county partners for more support and How we can work together to alleviate a lot of these really larger challenges that we're experiencing I also feel that it would be a lot of responsibility and it would definitely and i'm not surprised. I think delay this process So I appreciate the suggestion by councilmember matthews to be kind of inaction to You know make this it is a hard decision but to be in an action and to have a first reading and welcome feedback But to continue to move And and to be able to have some of these tools in place And I really also want to acknowledge councilmember mires' response in that It's an opportunity for us to have contact to help people on an individual pathway out of hopefully homelessness and was encouraged by the potential of having two specific Officers that are going to be sort of i'm assuming part of this homeless unit, which has a different i'm assuming Kind of lens as i've read about other jurisdictions who have these types of units. That's really about Blending how you balance these complex issues, but also ultimately try to support people And I of course welcome any input if there's additional ads in regards to those specific officers duties um And so that being said I think what what the impetus of this was was also having a tool in place to potentially Mitigate any large encampments that have proven to be very difficult and um have Not Obviously been what we want to have in our community because we want to do better And um also the public health considerations and challenges associated with that So um, that's sort of my kind of just a summary of comments Um, and then we'll welcome more deliberation councilmember guver Thank you So there are just a couple of things statements, you know, uh, I always think back to charlottesville Uh, whenever I hear the term on all sides It really bothers me. Um, I've heard it with renters protections Now we're hearing it with people experiencing homelessness And it's important. Yes, there are different perspectives and different people coming from different angles and their interests But one side is talking about survival And the other side is talking about what some might consider nuisances And so it's not to diminish public safety issues or feelings of safety or other kinds of issues But if we're just going to move forward so that we're quote in action Moving towards the criminalization of people that are vulnerable just so that we can say we're moving forward Is dangerous in a lot of different ways not just problematic. It's dangerous Also, the statement there's no good options for tonight. So, um, I disagree heavily with that statement It matters how diligently we want to move on this topic For example, imagine all of the hours that were spent in creating this ordinance Just imagine how many how many staff hours went into that? And staff hours aren't cheap. So what if we had taken that money and repurposed it into something that was focused on Engagement or participation as opposed to criminalization and penalties Also, the idea of contact so nothing against the police department That you you're a great guy chief mills. Um, but I had a 62 year old woman come to my community meeting Last wednesday to tell me about her experiences of being constantly pushed around by the police Getting citations left and right and being forced to go into shelters where they're You know people that are violent and all this other kind of stuff. So I don't think increasing Contact with police officers if they don't have the tools that they need or the access to the shelter is going to be beneficial to anyone As I believe mr. Willis said we're creating criminals by adding misdemeanors and other kinds of ticketing things Also, we haven't talked much about city-owned facilities We've only talked about the possibility of having the county step in and save the day, which I know we've said a lot of thanks to them But after closing the vfw without giving us advance notice and then now after we plead with them to potentially reopen the vfw Which will then bring it back to a net zero gain in units Uh, I am a little bit less hesitant to be like yay county And at the same time we have a giant building directly across the street that is only used a few times in this winter season To be a possible housed location. We have the auditorium at the loud nelson community center I went there for my community meeting and I mentioned and there was a community member who lives in that neighborhood That said that she would be absolutely okay with having people use the auditorium as a winter shelter Because right now their entire neighborhood is a winter shelter because they don't have anywhere to go or be inside So there's the I mean people in depot park and hate this But there's the freight building at depot park, which could totally be used. There's the uh harvey west clubhouse Which could be used especially if we're looking for spaces for senior citizens or senior women or families with children We have the resources available to us We just don't seem to have the will in which to act on those services that we have And so when I so when I hear these arguments of we don't have the capacity, uh, we're over burdened We don't have the space we got to work on the county All of those are just really weak excuses for we don't want to do what we need to do to make sure that people Are not sleeping out in the rain for the rest of winter It might mean that we need to sacrifice some of our access to events It might mean that we need to put pressure on the kaiser on the kaiser arena We don't have site control over the kaiser arena, but what if we have we opened up communication with them to see if we can use it I mean So, you know, it's really disappointing that, uh We want to move so quickly through this especially the term of expeditiously You want to move you want the catch to review these things expeditiously Don't you think we should be doing them cautiously and step by step to make sure that there's a million perspectives that are taken into consideration or you know, the catch is over burdened, right? So you would that that that motion is pretty much bunk if the catch can't do it in the next two meetings So why not shift back to my original suggestion and instruct staff? Maybe megan who's uh, seemingly the one that's coordinating sheltery stuff to have a conversation or the attorney's office To have a conversation with the advocates the aclu the santa Cruz homies union people from the inhouse population It's not the catch That's right But it is a population of people that are ready to give us input on how we can make the Ordinance work in a way that they feel is just and or participate in the process So they have their voice feel heard And this is a constant cycle we have I brought these issues forward in february For us to be able to establish safe parking zones safe sleeping zones and some form of transitional encampment And when we say that this ordinance is to stop the popping up of large Large encampments because they've quote proven difficult We have not done anything to adequately or intentionally work with the people that are trying to establish these camps to provide them with the services and support they need To be successful. So when you say we don't Have we we want to stop the large encampments from popping up? You mean you want to stop large encampments from popping up and actually working with them to make us make a solution Instead of just criminalizing them and pushing them from one place to another. It's getting kind of ridiculous You got I mean just like someone said it's either you're going to do it Or you're not going to do it And if you're not going to do it because you get to go home and sleep in your warm bed tonight with your family and your food And your heater and all sort of other kind of stuff People are still going to be out there and we've already lost two people this year that we know of based on lack of shelter. So Take it. How do you take it? Okay Well, this is the time for council. I mean actions. So, you know, if there is an interest in modifying the motion or You know a supplemental motion to try to get the council to move in a different direction to council member clever's comments This would be the time So right now we have a motion on the floor. Can I just was the friendly amendment accepted Really what I'm most interested in is ensuring that the parking Availability for the afc program is included and specifically addressed. However, that's addressed um and also Including consideration of funding for the warming center when we get her back about shelter replacement I have also if I could a clarifying question I have also a clarifying question. Um in regards to the information and sort of what to Potentially put on to the cash and knowing that that won't likely to come back to them for a good period of time And and frankly is a lot of responsibility on it on a volunteer group. That's working a lot on a lot of major issues Um, given that information. Is that still the direction of the motion maker? Going it will postpone it for several months I wouldn't I wouldn't It would be good to get some sense of what How long this would be postponed for because um I think part of it is that you know when we were making decisions earlier last year around Places where we were going to put safe parking or transitional encampments. There were a lot of people who came out And there was a lack of community engagement in that entire process, which is what led to the catchment form and so that So that was the reason why this recommendation Was coming forward because my understanding too is this came as in response to when the When the new camp was forming There was a need and because we saw some of the camps forming there was a need to Put on this emergency ordinance, but now that that camp's not there. It doesn't seem like it's as much of an emergency to deal with at this point in time, which is why My understanding was that you know We're getting all this input from people from the community who want us to Take a step back. They haven't had a chance to look at it. We can give it to a community group We've tasked with looking at these Um, I would even you know be happy if we could have a subset a subset of members from the catch work with A subcommittee from the city council over the next Month to two months and bring back recommendations or month to month and a half Um, I think that it would just give us time and more opportunity to kind of go through Because I know that if we were to sit here tonight Into wordsmith everything every change that people would want to see it would be another two hours That we would probably be here and that's why in my opinion it would be good to send it on Or to not postpone it, but well to postpone it and work on it a little bit further Did you I wanted to see it just um, I was I was just gonna Make a comment that just given the discussion that's been had since the motion was made and and it Sort of free flowing discussion about a friendly amendment I I think it would be worthwhile to have the motion Restated so that we can all agree what is on the floor I was also going to suggest that the council consider Putting a date certain for the return of the ordinance to provide they catch You know reasonable amount of time to review and comment, but But not just continue it indefinite indefinitely. I really do think That this is a tool that Is lacking right now and and Is something that the council's really should take give serious consideration to and hopefully take action on Okay, do you want to go ahead and restate the motion and then we'll go ahead and Oh, you have it up here. Okay Can I add the I agree that I think it'd be helpful to define what expeditious means and I think with respect to the the cash I know they they already have a update that they've Prepared for you for the 10th, but I think certainly if this is a priority I know they've got items scheduled they they could they could possibly make make that a parter as well So I think having a clear timeline of when you want it back will help us then Develop the the work and the agenda with with the with the cash Recognizing that they've already done some work and they've already prepared a thing some updates for you on the 10th But then moving forward they could certainly prioritize this if that was what the council wanted I had a council member crone and then council member Myers My question was addressed. Thank you Council member Myers I guess I am Uh, so So if we So december 10th is our last meetings. We only have one more meeting Before the break and then we don't come back till mid january. So That feels like a long way to to wait To some extent. We also have holidays in between so Are you mentioned the idea of some kind of council subcommittee That might be a more expeditious way Ex expeditious way to um, I can't speak anymore um to try to move forward to bring Our revised version of the ordinance back potentially to council on december 10th I do agree that I think this is an important A tool that we need I'll speak a little bit to um My comments before I too have spoken to people Um and You know, uh, a lot of the a lot of the situations that people are in are pretty dire and Sometimes people don't want to be in the tent with the person that has the tent set up So I try to keep that in mind and um, I want to make sure that We acknowledge that there's a lot of different factors that go into the circumstances that people find themselves in um And uh, especially with the most vulnerable people in our community including women and youth So, um Again, this is a tool that provides Our police to To really acknowledge and and and Make contact to see sort of try to figure out what someone's circumstances as they're trying to to um Figure out a place for the evening or even a place for the day I do like the amendments that have been made so that um, it's clear if someone needs To be resting on a bench and sort of regrouping during the day We've tried to accommodate some of those in some of that language, but um, I guess I would make a substitute motion to create a Council subcommittee of to um Work with the city attorney city manager and chief of police to Come back with an alternative a revised language For the december 10th meeting I'll go ahead and second that motion So now we'll go ahead and um, uh, mr. Kandari will have an opportunity to Take a vote on the potential substitute motion And then if not having enough support for the substitute motion then we'll go ahead and return back to the original motion Is that correct? That's right. The vote is whether to accept the substitute motion. Okay, um With this we can have discussion is before that vote. Okay, councilor matthew. The question is whether or not to accept it And then vote on it Okay, yeah, okay. Let's go ahead if it's accepted then you can vote on the motion. Okay. Okay. Does any okay? We'll go ahead and take the uh vote on whether or not to accept the substitute motion But I have another question also is your suggestion for a committee of council members staff And cash representatives or just simply council and staff I think in the in the Just in looking at the timeline I know we'll be sending the sops. I believe The second reading really wouldn't be happening in until until january, correct Because we if we brought language back december 10th, we actually don't reconvene until I think it's january 14th or something like that It sounds like the cash has a couple meetings planned We could send the sops to them. So my idea was was to to keep it to council council members and In my opinion there are a whole lot of other people out there who want to comment on this other than cash So I I think the idea that We're just going to do it internally in the city and maybe send it to cash and we're done Misses a huge amount of the comment that we've gotten So Perhaps there's a Refined version of this but we would still I think have to consider it a first reading Because my gosh for the december 10th meeting when do we get the staff report in for that? Next friday wednesday. Yeah. Yeah, I mean a week from a week from today. Yeah, it's just tomorrow. Yeah Pretty fast work. So yeah, maybe we're just good against the time Yeah If it is uh I I expressed my opinion was just to get something on the table to work on it's out there people now know what the starting point is but I think If we take more time on it, then uh, definitely it should go out for more conversation to the broader community Do you want to withdraw? criminalizing homeless people Okay, at least all withdrawal We're gonna go ahead and ask you we've had an opportunity here from you I'm gonna go ahead and ask that you take a seat. If not, I'm gonna go ahead and ask that you please leave at this time I hate going to jail. I'm gonna sit down. I hate going to jail. Okay. Well, then if there's another outburst I'm gonna go ahead and ask you to go then go ahead I just wanted to clarify with respect to the sops Those because they're adopted by resolution. There's some time there Also because after the second reading is a 30 day period because into into effect There's more time there to have that Reviewed and considered by counsel. So Originally, our thought was that if you had the first reading today Second reading on the 10th the sops wouldn't come back to you till january, which will still be with before The ordinance went into effect so that there's some time there for review In january, so just so you know with respect to that portion of it All right, so we have the um motion withdrawn. Is that correct? Did you want to add something mr. Kandani? No, okay Okay, so the substitute motion has been withdrawn council member clever motion to call the question Okay, there's a motion to call the question. There's a second by council member crone All those in favor. What is the question? The motion that was before I said this But can I see it on the yeah, so I was gonna ask for it, too I don't even know if you accepted No, that that hadn't that hadn't been amended and I was going to ask because of the fact that um multiple council members have asked have Have stated that they're interested in increasing the number from three to five Would that should we have that as a second as a separate? Let's just go ahead. We have a motion to call the question So we need to take a vote on that motion all those in favor. Please say aye. I opposed. No So that passes with vice mayor Cummings council member crone and council Did you vote no Oh, I'm sorry. I feel like there's something that we need to work out. We don't even know not even clear on what the question is Right, exactly. But there was a motion to call the question. So all those So no, okay, so that passed with council that fails with council member Um Crone and glove are voting in in support and the remainder of the council voting against okay So we'll go back to the to the discussion on the proposed motion and clarification In reference to the most recent question, I would be completely in favor Of directing that we uh asked to have a revision to our existing um safe parking Amended to be increased up to five Five up to five Sites for safe parking On church parking lots through a managed safe parking program That's on the book. So are you having that added as you know, I think that's something we that doesn't have to go through All sorts of other stuff that can be just a clean Is that I know is that you know what? We're going to go ahead and ask that you keep please keep your voices down So I could hear my colleagues up here as we're trying to digit Okay, we'll go ahead and ask that we'll go ahead and ask that you also keep your voices done So that we can and we'll try to speak into the microphone more clearly so that we can hear each other My understanding is that the motion what you're asking is to add as a friendly amendment to the motion Not even a friendly amendment a separate a new motion. Yes Okay When we get to it oh when we get to it, okay, so we'll go ahead and reserve that for after We are able to finalize what we have before us now Okay, so the motion before us at this time is To really show indication that we do intend to pass Some sort of ordinance in this in this way, but we want to have it go through The potential cash First is that and community and community first And are you at this time not suggesting that we pass a first reading of it this evening? No, okay Okay And I can comment on that as well because my understanding is if we pass a first reading tonight Then we're going to go get public comment, and then it's going to come back and we're going to have to do it again It'll just keep coming back and forth until we Get the proper amount of input so I think that it would just We would just be having this come up a gen after agenda similar to last year, and I think that If we can get You know sufficient feedback then we can Bring it back at a time when we have a clear Direction where we're going It would be helpful if you got pretty cool direction on that your timeline I think that would be really helpful to have a deadline. Okay, so councilor mayer's and councilor brown I have a question regarding Sort of how we Vice mayor how we might collect that community So are we thinking about having a Kind of a hearing or community meetings or how do we how do we collect? I mean, I know we've we've gotten a lot of obviously a lot of written correspondence But I'm just curious if and how that fits in the into the timeline in terms of I Don't do you have thoughts on that? I mean one thought that I had and potentially we could have a You know thinking about The catch and the the reason why I was bringing it to the catch is because that's a body that can vote on recommendations And it's also a group that can hear comments from Members of the community when they're taking that information into account when they're voting And so that was why I wanted to send it to that body because they actually have the power to vote on recommendations so That was the the reason for bringing it there and because it's 11 people who represent different sectors of our community They can bring those voices in and those recommendations and when they're making when they're you know voting on this I know the catch is is I think it may be worth having another meeting Outside the cash to for community input for sure only because the cash, you know Is it it is a advisory body, but I think also if we could Somehow facilitate a couple of other other community meetings. I think that might be useful as well What I was going to suggest is certainly with the specter the cash they could schedule a meeting They've already got some scheduled in december with respect to the other groups I think setting up individual meetings with them would be the most expeditious way So it could reach out and schedule meetings with you know council members and whatever the Organization might be And then get their input I had council member brown and then council member clever and then I'll come back Yeah, I would just add Because the comment I was going to make was kind of in response to that question That you asked council member mires. I think that the catch is I mean we established that committee to take a deeper Look dive into these issues and bring us recommendations And so I think that is an appropriate place to Have community input happen if the staff feels that you know some individual meetings could happen Expeditiously without a whole lot of extra effort. I'm not opposed to that But I do think that we appointed this committee for a reason and they ought and that's why I would like to have them weigh in You know and use that as a space for additional community input people The public is welcome at those meetings council members can go to those meetings and listen to what the public has to say And what catch members have to say so I'd just like to kind of concentrate that effort in the space that we've already created McLean then council member matthews. Thanks. I was also reminded that in my last meeting last wednesday That there were representatives from the catch there that Let us know that they're having specific community engagement meetings Of the two catch meetings. The second is community engagement on safe sleeping and camping programs They specifically allocate about an hour and a half for community input to come in and talk to the catch directly And I believe they also have a safe sleeping and managed campground subcommittee that could look at it also was brought up as a suggestion that We could direct staff or staff Catch to prioritize this issue and then push one of their existing items off So it's a tighter timeline and if the city manager is looking for a time, you know specific time We could just say the first meeting in january that'll give us What four four now six weeks somewhere in there five six weeks for us to be able to Talk with cash then look at it review it ideally get community input from maybe the aclu who has come out Saying that we should not even enforce this until we have the shelter in place And stuff like that so um, I would just say then like I said before I think we should just Move with this and if the city manager needs it to say bring it back to the second or the first meeting in january, but I think we should move forward and uh, take this vote As a remathing Well, I continue to think that sending it to cash alone is not enough. I mean think of all the meetings that Have been held out there recently on this topic. I know drew and I went to a meeting in the harvey west area hosted by Housing matters Packed with people we've we've had meetings in the beach area meetings downtown. I think a number of the service providers Could give us some good perspective on this so It is a big deal a lot of people have have a useful perspective on it I I would hope we'd have enough time to get that and it's tough during the holiday season Okay So are you suggesting a different path or are you supporting the path suggest? Um, let me see what the top of that motion says there I'm trying to read all of it now Can we scroll a tiny bit funny? I can't read the top of it. Oh Is it is it up? Oh, I I don't see it there. Okay I I have a couple of suggestions which I mentioned Um, just in conversation here on that language if it were acceptable to say Increasing winter and year-round shelter capacity on call beds. I would say manage safe parking areas That would be is that an acceptable change there? And relocation of the river street camp prior to construction to Manage sleep safe sleeping areas After on call beds, it would say manage safe parking areas No, instead of safe sleeping areas instead of safe sleeping areas. Yeah, I think that's why they're two different things Parking that's like the afc Yeah, but that takes away the safe sleeping areas Which was in there intentionally so that they would come back with safe sleeping areas to offer as alternative places where people could go In case they were in violation of the ordinance because we need to provide them with a place to go Okay, well we can see if vice mayor Cummings who's the motion maker one that was not an original one I had suggested safe sleeping, but what I meant was managed some parking Is that is that accepted in terms of the correction safe parking? Yes. Okay in removal of safe sleeping That's right The one thing I would say with the safe sleeping is that we went through that all last all last winter And within the city at least there were no Areas that we were able to determine would be adequate safe sleeping areas. That was the decision. We got down to the decision between depot park and Think it was the wetlands and neither of those the marsh. Yeah, and neither of those were acceptable And there was only two remaining Areas within the city that were under consideration for safe sleeping and neither of those were selected by the city council So I don't think we should pursue that again at this time Okay, so you're accepting the friendly amendment. Um, are you as a seconder of the motion council member crown accepting that as well then modified language I thought um councilmember Glover just mentioned like five different places that that we're not The marsh or depot park But we had far as safe like so lat if I may sure Um, so last winter when this when the safe sleeping Areas were brought to the city council. The staff was Directed to go throughout the city and find City-owned parcels where we could have safe sleeping areas And of all the parcels that they identified We end up narrowing it down as a group to two And there was a decision made to put at depot park that decision came back And we decided we weren't going to put it there. We decided we weren't going to put it at jessie street march Is that neither of them were good ideas But what about an indoor place is what um councilmember Glover was just talking about? Is that different than a slave state? So if you want me on the top Yeah, well if you want to withdraw the motion the seconding of the motion that that's possible But the maker of the motion Modified the language to encompass safe parking as opposed to slave sleeping And if you're not supportive of that as the seconder of the motion now would be the time to withdraw that You're second. I'm asking him a question that is Can I reply but that is implied On increasing winter and year-round shelter capacity. Yeah, that's Winter shelter is indoor shelter second. Okay. Go ahead And then I think if if You're agreeable to take out the word temporary And just say in relocation of the river street camp prior to construction And the reason I say that is we were told earlier in the day that there may be other Locations that we are able to identify that can give equivalent or even more space And we wouldn't necessarily have to go back to the north river street So I think saying just temporary relocation implies a conclusion that we didn't reach Okay, so instead of during construction. It would say prior to relocation Not temporary, but just just a relocation. Yeah That's right And yeah, and then take out temporary take out temporary before relocation you remove temporary Above there we have third line last word I have another question and it says to send the city's amended camping ordinance and the county camping ordinance yes the idea the idea being that they will be able to provide us with recommendations on hours and also see how that fit within the county's ordinance because the county also has one and we should try to be consistent and I do appreciate that that's sending it to the cash and the community And I think then according to what the city managers told us what we need is some idea of a timeline on this thing I'm I'll go to councilor brown, but I just want to say I think hearing from our city attorney and city manager and chief of police this evening that we want to get out of a position of not being able to Be able to adequately respond and to have some sort of guiding document so they're not constantly in a position of trying to Sort of get into the cycle of putting out fires, right? So I appreciate kind of the context in that regard councilor brown Yeah, well, I just want to make a comment about the move to eliminate temporary relocation of the river street camp I understand, you know, I recognize the Potential that that site would not either not be available or not necessary Although I think we're going to need extra availability kind of indefinitely here So I just wonder because because I don't want to foreclose the possibility of Using that site again. It didn't sound like there was From our water director earlier today. It didn't sound like there was definite immediate need to use that space after the work has been done And so I guess I just I don't want to foreclose that possibility Okay Okay, so we could even add language prior to the construction and for potential reopening after completion of Or something like that My mind if I could just saying simply relocation prior to construction Says nothing about what will happen to that When the construction's done it will could be Remains one of the possibilities To the point sorry is that adequately cover it or could be potentially that language for the interest of moving this item Yeah, I mean I'm interested in moving it, but I really do feel that I would like to as a council Make clear if there are the votes for it that That space will be Continue to be in consideration After the work is completed I think there's there was there's consensus from the council on that and And that could be noted potentially in the minutes. Okay All right councilmember glennon. Yeah, I was going to say I would imagine The need to see it in writing just based off of I mean, I would like to see it in writing based off of my experience with this Body in general because we'll do it it'll switch and all of a sudden I'd be like, oh, let's not put it there Let's put it over here, but not here's going to work. So I'd love to have it in there So it's guaranteed that it'll go back there after the transition Councilmember Councilmember brown stuff So does the maker of the motion want to accept the revised language to add that Specificity that after construction is complete that that site could be reopened I could just say in parentheses with possible reuse was possible. There you go with possible reuse Is that So you put possible reuse reuse in parentheses after Okay Okay I mean I would just by smear coming I would just add language the priority for the prioritization Of review and recommendations for county wide response that way The language is there saying that you know if we can make this a priority for the catch Then maybe this item could then go To the next two meetings in place of some of the other items that they're going to be considering And So so priority for expeditious review does mean that it could It will take priority over some of the other content of the additional meetings. Okay. Thank you for the clarification And and ideally a return date as soon as possible to the council for action to Right to take action on the ordinance councilor matthew. So would you want to say Give direction for cash to prioritize This issue that means bump your other Projects if that's what we want priority says for priority expeditious review No, it doesn't does it cash and the community for priority. Oh, you're up there. Okay. I was down on another one Yeah, I think it covers okay and that okay priority I would put and between priority and expeditious review It seems okay And then the remaining elements of the friendly amendment have already been kind of spoken to And the warming center suggestion could get wrapped into the Original motion around how we're expanding conversation around potential additional shelter space Sorry So it seems that we're able to have incorporated all of the different elements within the remaining of the motion. Yeah Okay, so councilor matthew. Sorry Uh, so are all those friendly amendments now part of the motion or are they considered to be Uh, I think they're inherent in the inherent so you're dropping them. So I I was just they've been incorporated into the motion Because the first one is the exact same The first bullet is basically what you just did you council member brown warming center funding is not In the first in the main. No, that's right. That's an amendment Oh, the funding we delete it. That's I'm fine with it being in the the main motion. However, it gets Captured for the record, but that I don't want to lose that Would you direct staff to work with The county on that as part of the broader conversation around expanded shelter Or was that specific to this idea? Because that was the original element of the Um motion which to to work with the county on increasing winter in your round shelter capacity On call beds and temporary locations. So it was sort of a component of that Sure, but the but the issue that I'm talking about here is that I I want the city whether or not the county decides to make a Contribution or there's a conversation to be had there and which I'd welcome I want the city to consider uh contribution Uh to fund the warming centers Uh program this winter Okay to prevent hypothermia Okay, mr. Condati So I guess I just have a question is Is the maker of the motion accepting the proposed amendment as a friendly amendment? Yes Okay, and then we'll have a second Motion around the the increasing of parking or is that now incorporated? I don't I think it's incorporated. Okay Okay, I was going to say that first that first bullet. I think is what we were It's redundant. So the first bullet Should be deleted And then and the second one too and the second one as well. That's right Okay, so we can delete the first two bullets under the friendly. No, we don't Does any further Conversation around this Unless I'm as it's feeling accurate. Does everybody okay all those in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that passes unanimously There's okay councilor brown. I just wanted to ask a question about the Just a follow-up question earlier. I asked about inclusion of the material from your oral report It in the minutes and So I think that one other question that I want to ask is if it was possible for you to provide Within the the overall county because you broke down the city's Mat I'm not going to call it bad mat spaces But the county was an overall can can we get a breakdown of the county as well? Yeah, it's in there And no, I can get that to you. You can have a chart that the county provided me That would be great. I can just make that available to in the record. Thank you Even if it could be So that concludes the first item on our Evening session and we're now moving on to the second item. Did you have additional comments before we conclude the first item? We didn't vote on the safe parking. No, I think that was in with the other thing. Yeah, I think we're bringing Yeah, okay That right so we were just talking about scheduling again the first meeting in january is the 14th Then it's the 28th when and so an agenda report has to get to people on the 7th Yeah, so the most what are we shooting for as soon as possible? Well, I think we've been told that they want more time to target Am I right Did you get what you needed in terms of the timeline and is it being as soon as possible? Um, we said it as a priority Or do you want a specific date? I think it's helpful to have a specific date because again as soon as possible can mean anything. So Clearly december is not doable So if it's first reading by the first meeting in january January maybe january would be better our first meeting meeting might be tough. What about january? I think january Second meeting second meeting january No later than no later than no later than the second meeting and we can we can we will do an update, you know If if for some reason there's this is an issue. So Okay No later than that so we can bring it back sooner, but no later than that. Okay. No later than the last meeting in january Is there a consensus from the council on that? Okay, it doesn't seem that we need a motion There's consensus that we'd like to have that no later than the last meeting in january and brought to us if we Are required to take action prior to time the council member lover. Are we on the next topic yet? Let me Yeah, I believe so. Okay, great. Um, I'd like to make a motion to continue the conversation of or the next item to the december 10th meeting To make sure that there's transparency with the public and not be making decisions about mayorship at 11 15 p.m Okay, and My understanding is Is that that's possible or this isn't for the city attorney Our charter says that the nomination the election happened the second meeting of november Nominations down the nomination an election. Yes, but But could we make a motion to continue it if there's interest to do that when there's more opportunity for the public to be engaged? I don't see Any real legal consequence should the council decide to defer taking action until the december 10th meeting However, the charter does very clearly say that the election shall be at the second meeting in november Okay Is there interest amongst the council to have this conversation or Will we have a motion? I guess to defer action. Is there a second of the motion? You're second to the motion Okay, councilor cohen seconds the motion We'll need to make a decision at a certain point We could do it now or we could do it On the 10th. Um, no, but we have to vote on whether to postpone it. That's right I don't need any further discussion around postponing it. Or do we I'm against it Okay Do we can we have a discussion on to postpone it now? Yes, you may. Yeah, it's not necessary. Okay Do you have the public comment on this before? Yep Never mind. I would draw this is taking way too long. I would draw my motion Let's just move forward. We do not have to have public comment in order to continue an item Okay, which is okay. So the motion has been withdrawn Okay, so now is an opportunity for the nominations for the new mayor and vice mayor for 2020 Uh, councilmember brown Uh, are we taking those separately? Do we we vote on the meet separately? I'll nominate Justin Cummings to be mayor or 2020 There's a motion by councilmember brown seconded by councilmember crone to nominate Justin Cummings to be mayor for 2020 At councilmember matthews. I support Justin for mayor, but I don't think you need a second for nominations He does he have A second for nominations It was a it was an emotion Oh, it was a nomination wasn't it? It doesn't matter. Oh well, okay Okay, okay And then um, do we want to take let's take the nomination for vice mayor? And then we'll go ahead and open it up to the community if they want to address this on this item There's a motion to nominate somebody for vice mayor councilmember Glover nominate sanny brown for vice mayor um Councilmember brown. I appreciate the nomination. I'm gonna have to Respectfully decline the nomination. Um, I I think That um, I'd prefer that we just kind of carry on with the Path that we that the tradition that we've Got going but I do appreciate It's member matthews. Yeah With that, I'd like to nominate donna mires as vice mayor She was the second highest vote-getter in her election. I think it Sustains a long established tradition if not a rule and she's certainly been A diligent council member in her first year Okay, I'll go ahead and second the nomination All right, we'll go ahead and open it up to public comment since I am committed to doing that We'll have up to two minutes to speak mr. Norris. You're welcome to come forward Members of the community councilmember um I want to reiterate what I've said before about A vice mayor Cummings and his record. I'm concerned about the The failure and the betrayal the progressive majority around Destroying the tenant rent control provisions back in january after initially voting for them Abandoning the ross camp Presumably also abandoning the phoenix camp he didn't show up to address that either Has not supported any of the recommendations tonight Made by councilmember glover A credulous adherence to assistant city manager susie o'hara In which he told a whole panel of progressive supporters that He wanted to make sure that her her claims and the staff were Verified and we have seen that there has not been existing inadequate shelter throughout the summer and now Sadly and more seriously enough throughout the winter The clear view court sell out to corporate developer greed I'm afraid jesson was on that side too Um, I I'm told today I was told at recess that he hasn't received the many emails I've sent him requesting a regular meeting with him as a both a radio activist and also a member of huff Um, I take him at his word again And because he's told me he's going to email me is is that still correct? This is obviously for us to hear. I got a faint nod. I understand But I want to make I want to I want to give him the benefit of the doubt Um, and as I said before Desiree can taro Is dead because this council Moved hundreds of people out of the ross camp without adequate shelter And justin comings provided the key vote for that And we'll know that I'll be providing similar key votes Thank you speaker Members of the council, I am adamantly opposed to donna mayers taking the seat of vice mayor I think the fact that she pounded on the dais and virtually accused publicly Drew Glover of making racist comments, which it was during a discussion about bias and about prejudice and For that as well as perhaps even more The recall which has been cited by davis epos who was the consultant on the stakeholder assessment Who called out the city council in the most diplomatic way liking it to trumpian politics and that specifically He could not say cindia matthews martin walkins and dynamires Are the trumpian elements here? We are face and this is not too harsh justin We are facing right now a progressive march in that is historically documented Into i'm sorry to use this word, but i'm going to use the word fascist because i don't mean it as an insult here when i say fascist i mean people who are extremely authoritarian People who are taking away our civil rights, which happened basically 20 years ago with the patriot act under george bush and worse In the nda a in the 2012 new year's eve obama did that so any activist who's accused of being a terrorist by a bureaucrat Can actually be disappeared without habeas corpus without a right to make a phone call What i'm trying to say is the fascism of today is being run by Exactly what we're seeing in this city 30 years of failing To protect our most vulnerable people and now they're being criminalized And people are so behind the times There is an amazing crazy making kind of attitude going on here donna miers is part of that fascist element She is part of the recall you she has refused to denounce it And it has been used in the worst way against our fairly elected officials Please do something anything not to honor miers as vice mayor next speaker This is about the election speaking to the nominations. You're welcome to come forward. You have up to two minutes nomination for a title of mayor et cetera Should be a person who is a leader of leadership You for you people are not leaders. I see one leader. You're sitting right there Now why is it that he's bypassed to be the mayor or vice mayor? I don't know. I don't like it how when he's speaking I'll say the mayor cuts in Stops him from talking breaking his momentum to do whatever it is that she do I don't know why it's like that either But This person who you talking about be the next mayor I've never once seen him at no Community Santa Cruz events seen him in the bar a few times, but I ain't never seen him at one loud nelson how we do things here not once This person over here you talking about being the vice mayor? She's sitting up here tonight Rolling her eyes. We talk about people dying of death out there in the street. She rolling her eyes like I don't care. Whatever it is. It's in her head Let's say business savvy business sense. She's talking about let's move forward with it The man right here saying well, what about the sop? I don't know what that is But he's saying you put in the horse before the car. She's like for it. Let's do it anyway What kind of business sense is that? You all are trying to ruin in the city. That's why I asked why I called for a leader Glover right there He will do things. He knows that he's business. He presents stuff and you all just ignore his presentations How is that possible? Why ain't he listen to? You fold people you need to go For real This man is a leader. He shows his leadership Let him try to present a mark people be marching with him. You present a mark. Nobody's showing up You are not no leader You don't need us. You don't have leadership skills or qualities We see it. We know what we want. We hungry. Your time is up. Your time is up next speaker I have a personal question for uh, mrs. Watkins. Do you think it's appropriate for a board of men to make decisions on abortion? Okay, the question is stands because it relates to what we're talking about You guys have been told by a university professor And a lot of good people that what you're doing and the decisions you're making are going to affect lives I'm talking about him and her specifically both of you were shown by university professors The legal ramifications of what you're about to do and it seemed as if neither of you heard anything Not a word out of their mouths. You're going to be liable. You're on the Um, we need to help people and it seems like you guys are more interested in the lines on your words Then on the real issue If you guys want to be mayor you want to be vice mayor do like this man did Go out and stay in a shelter Then you have a right to make a decision about it or sleep on the street We really need compassion and I know you guys are trying to do your best. I can't imagine the bureaucratic red tape I can't imagine it, but please Do not back down from the righteous thing to do Okay, no more Okay, and you three and you four. I don't know I'm praying for you You'll be our last speaker Um, I I wasn't expecting to speak on this issue because I presumed that sandy brown would just be the only Um obvious choice for vice mayor People were passing out pamphlets like little sheets of paper saying sandy brown for vice mayor Donna Myers claims that lesbians can't be racist, which is um, well, I mean we all know that's not true, right? So It's just really disappointing that you would hand over the vice mayorhood to a conservative So, yeah, there we go Very very all right. So my understanding is we don't take um, do we take action in and in voting on those? Okay, we'll go ahead and take the vote then at this time all those in favor of jesson comings as mayor for 2020 Please say I am first Did you have a question councilor point of order is there a is there a discussion first Around us before the votes taken There can be discussion Did you have a discussion, right? If there's if there's interest in the council to discuss the item or council member you're welcome to discuss it at this Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. So, um I have reservations Based off of the track record that was listed here with regards to vice mayor Cummings becoming the mayor, but You know, I'm not gonna fight it that much. Um, I know you have a good heart and you're trying to do the right thing even though Yeah, you've been doing some stuff man that I really I just don't agree with politically And it's really disappointing especially because we ran together and you Basically have betrayed everything and at every at almost almost if not every step you have you have betrayed No, I'm gonna go ahead and pause you. That's it. There that is not appropriate mr. Um Norris and miss cool you've interrupted and made comments the entire evening We're now approaching 11 30 and you're still making comments I You totally spoke No, no There's no more public comment not a no more public comment. We'll go ahead and conclude this Yeah, why don't I just like then then please don't interrupt by making comments if I hear one more I'm gonna ask you to leave. I'll ask you to leave. Okay. Go ahead And I saw aspects of this when she was out of the room and you Taking this authoritative stance when people were trying to talk It was it's really scary to see the path that you're going down And if you continue along this path as mayor the city will suffer even more than it already has over this last year um the So i'm just gonna leave it there. So i'm gonna. I'll support you as mayor, but seriously brother like I it has hurt me Deeply to have you just make the decisions that you've made and the impacts you've had on the poor and The people that were relying on you when they voted for you to get elected. So i'm hoping that you can turn that around and then with regards to The vice mayor ship I don't think it's really appropriate to have someone who Physically intimidated another council member on the dais in front of a camera to be Elected as vice mayor. I'm very disturbing to think about the the path that we're going to go down here And these are all reasons why I will be voting against the vice mayor nomination, but I'm also really I mean, I don't understand the logic. I mean you got your reasons. I get it sandy, but This is a pivotal moment in us being able to redirect and structure things and you know The vice mayor ship Is an important role because you were in there with agenda building and all this other kind of stuff and you know with with the situation that I just was expressed with the you know incoming mayor not having a balance in there and having a You know Neoliberal conservative perspective in my opinion now whether anyone identifies that way or not Uh, the voting practice that we've seen is detrimental. So again it's uh I I'm I'm saddened by the decisions and the choices that are in front of us But at the same time we're just going to have to move ahead with it Unless there's any further comment, um, we'll go ahead and maybe take the vote at this time all those in favor of the nomination for mayor Um, please say I I any opposed. Okay. That passes unanimously all those in favor for the nomination of councilmember meyers for vice mayor Please say I I uh opposed. Oh That passes with councilmember crone Meyers brown Matthews vice mayor comings and myself voting in support with councilmember glove are voting against Any further discussion? Okay seeing them. We'll go ahead and adjourn the meeting at this time We'll always find everybody