 Folks we're joined here by Barlow and Rachel and you guys just attendees at Tam here is this your first time yeah it is okay and we just heard a really cool story you might have seen in the news not too long ago there was a little thing going on with the Mormon church can you explain what just recently happened yeah there was a mass resignation where we went to Enzine Peak and we got about 50 to 70 letters that day of people all resigning we went on a march and it's had a good old time carried some protest signs up really steep hike it was a very interesting protest march up a little dirt trail a lot of zig-zags and I'm like what where are we going but it was it was just a lot of fun we hung out and did you guys imagine that it would turn into the new story that it turned into well I hoped it would no idea I think it should be I think that's awesome that you know they can bring attention to this mass recognition and show that we're happy and proud of it and excited about it got about 200 people to show up I believe as well even people who had already resigned or just haven't been able to resign yet because of issues with the family but they still are there to show support for everyone else who's doing it it was awesome to see everyone together now was everybody there for sort of their own personal reasons or did you guys find that there was a lot of different reasons or was everybody sort of resigning for the same overall reason well yes it turns out the church isn't true so we figured we shouldn't be members of it anymore so but yeah everyone has their own specific reasons but and their deconversion stories and deconversion sort of fun to learn about they are strikingly similar though a lot of Utah deconversion stories follow a lot of the same thing of just looking into the church is past because it turns out that is a bad thing for the church people look into it so I'm criminating well I was raised Catholic and I remember someone telling me we're Catholics we don't read the Bible that's what we pay the priest to do and now I realize that was probably a bad thing to do yeah more people read the Bible there'd be more atheists yeah like like Penn says yeah yeah I gotta do is read the Bible you don't need to study got it's in English you should just read it and be like was total crap so what brought you guys here to Tim science and skepticism yeah I just we love learning and yeah watching all the Tam videos on YouTube and listening to skeptics guide and having everybody hype it up and loving James Randy and so yeah we're just so excited to be here and I'm really trying to start promoting skepticism and atheism in Utah getting some things going I organized a debate a couple weeks ago with a Mormon that was a lot of fun to do and so I figured this is the next logical thing to make sure I come here and talk to people such as yourself and just have a lot of fun talking to fellow minded people because there aren't as many back in Salt Lake and did you imagine that you would be here as the stars of one of those YouTube videos that you've seen being filmed by Mr. deity himself Brian Dalton who is behind the camera by the way ladies and gentlemen if you're wondering why the videography is so unbelievably impressive this time around that's why what do you what do you think is this a surprise for you it is I did not expect to walk out of the bathroom and then have a fun interview with mr. deity here well thanks guys for joining us at Tam have a great time and hope to see you in future years