 I can't wait to go on the line, on the line. This is the first time I've done it in my new place. It is. We're breaking new ground. Hey, before we start, I do have a question because this vexes me, so. Sorry, I started, but. Well, I don't know. It hasn't come up. I'm not sure. I don't trust him. Well, where's the stream? It off again. So rags can ask his question. Fine. It doesn't have to be offline. It really doesn't actually matter if it's online or offline. If you think it's suitable. I want to have a look now. Let me see. Why would you? That's cheating. That's not Thor. That's that's that's like a discount Odin. It's just it just grasps the emotion, you know. Yeah. Yeah. What I was going to ask because I it's one of those things where if you think about it, you sort of you sort of taint it. And I'm going to be curious what you guys think. Is it how? How is the word pronounced? Is it Herculean or Herculean? I say Herculean. Herculean. Herculean. Herculean. I would say Herculean. I'll be honest. I don't know how to say it potentially regularly. Yeah. It's not it's not something I say often. I say it all the time. I'm not sure it's what I've ever said. I should. Should it be Herculean though? No, because that would be about Heracles' tasks, not Hercules' tasks. Oh, checkmate. Wow. I have not seen such a. Smackdown by rags. Even though I did. Oh, you get fucked. Yeah. That was just. I'll teach you to ask questions. Are you going to be able to survive with your life from now on? My voice is terrible. I'm losing. I just was asking the question. I'm not sure why everybody's. Oh, just asking questions. Just asking questions. That's a little too much. That's what the Nazis said for me. The guys, now I just, I need you to guys to understand that that was a joke. What I just said. The Heracles thing. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I very recently said Hercules and then you reminded me that it was Heracles. No, it's both. It's in the modern West. As far as I know, he's been called Hercules for a while. Though, I think his original name was Heracles. So I think both are acceptable. I didn't even know that. I did because of the film. I'm a Jackson. Well, I don't watch Heracles all the time in it. I remember googling it because I was getting confused. Which? What movie? Spirit. It's like the spirituals, the success of the Sin City that didn't do very well. Okay. I was making sure. Do you guys see that horse movie? The spirit one? That was pretty neat. Yes. Yes, I have seen spirit. I have not seen spirit in a way, but I've seen spirit, I've seen spirit and spirit in a way. I watched it with some sisters and they love horses. There was no Lion King too, but they watched spirit quite a lot. For those of you who don't know the deep lore, my dad had to lock up in the closet. He had to hide Lion King too, Simba's pride because my sisters would watch it so much. He got sick of it and he hid the VHS. He just destroyed it. That was a big hammer. That was truly a Herculean task. Oh, it's actually, to be fair, hiding a VHS isn't that tough. I guess it's harder than hiding a DVD. I'm just trying to Herculean everything now because I want to get it into common vernacular. What a great word. I'd be a bit of a Herculean task for me to undertake. Is it more of a Herculean task to hide a VHS or was it two DVDs on top of each other? Oh, the two DVDs would be easier to hide. That is so devious. One might even say it was Herculean. So devious one might even say it was Herculean. Exactly. You guys are weird and nerdy. Why would we discuss these mythologies and stories of yesteryear when we could be talking about Thor, a movie of yesterday when we watched it? Let us pretend we have some level of system here in the classic. We all say what we think about it. I would like to go first and just get it over with. I'll be in pace, my opinion, of Multiverse of Madness pretty much with a couple of tweaks. And you've got this movie. We did it again. When I say it's like humanity, we fucked it up again, everyone. How did we do that? We had another hot stinker. That's a shame. We're not doing the thing that I suggested we do for funsies. Yeah, we shot that down hardcore. No, you did. And we did. No, Metal did too. Metal did not. Sorry, Rex. Sorry. That's absolutely not true. The bad idea was declined. It would have been a fun idea. Bad idea was declined. So anyway, the film was very bad. Well, Moller said we couldn't do a thing and it would have been fun. I expect the bad movie to do in all of the categories, though I'm not happy to say that it's not as bad as Multiverse of Madness, at least from my point of view, to give you some level of understanding of where I'm going with this instead of just that everything sucks or anything. This film might be a one. Yeah. I think two. I think what? Two? Was that what we said? We talked briefly about it. I think we said two with room to wiggle in between one and two. Yeah, that's probably fair. But I think two is where I'm kind of at right now. I will say this, though, I think because I've had a little bit of time to think about it and I've let it simmer in the brain space. I still think that I hate this more than Multiverse of Madness, though the gap in hate has closed. Yes. I want to second that. I want to say that there I've seen a lot of really shit films and TV in the last few years, but this really pissed me off in a way that's pretty rare. Like really didn't enjoy watching this at all. Yeah. It made me angry. I was like, like normally I like to laugh at things that are bad. This was like, oh, fuck off. This one. I guess kind of interest. Well, what order are we actually doing here? Oh, we're a little bit free for Well, well, Mahler started. He went out of order. He's so we can go from left to right and just we'll skip over Mahler because he cut in front of the line. That's not how it works. Rags will go metal next now because we're doing a new order of left, right, left, right, left, right from the center. Oh my God. Like alternating. So it'll be done the other order. Shake it up, buddy. You metal J myself ringing then Chad. Let's do it. Let's do it in the alphabetical order of the second letter of our names. Oh, that's not a bad idea. Yeah, that makes me. Oh, nice. And I'm. Oh, so I would be first. I think. Yeah, you would have been first. So Jay, your plan failed. You didn't even wreck on it, right? Well, as well. No, no, because alphabetical order of the second letter of our names. Yeah, but that's the third letter. We're not. We're not counting that. We're only counting the second letter, which means the three of us go at the same time. I see. We kind of do. We're the ones that have spoken the most. My head hurts. I'm sorry. I'm going to interject here, Jay, because when you have a tie between the, you know, the letters, everything, you then default to the next letter. Yeah, I understand. I understand that that's the default assumption. I. Exactly. No, no, no. Because the default assumption doesn't necessarily mean that that's what you're going to do. It's just. It's standard procedure. It's standard procedure, but it's not the only possible procedure. You know, when I declare that a different procedure will be taken. Damn. Because, you know, it's also default procedure to do like alphabetical from the first letter rather than the second. So we're clearly already throwing that out of the window. We just assume that we kept the same system that we're all used to and just bypass the first letter. Jay, mythical wizard Jay, who is actually next? Mattle. Fuck. All of that. What the fuck? All right, Mattle, off you go, I guess. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. So I went to the cinema. And yeah. And then I. Before you start, how much does cinema's cost over there? Is it like kind of expensive or is it so-so? Well, I... How many Deutschmarks does it take to go to there? I treat myself to the premium seat because they're much more comfortable. Who? And they recline back a little bit. That's actually pretty nice. That's nice. Premium seats in yourself? Yeah. So you're describing a normal seat for us? Motherfuckers. Yes. Pretty much every cinema in Australia has like reclining leather seats. But I fucking hate Germany. Yeah, all of them. Damn. Yeah. We sort of have... It's sort of... I think the back reclines a little bit, but you can get really special seats that lounge back further and they have the leg rest. You can get it like first class. Yeah. You have... Hang on, see, in your Australian cinemas you have a leather reclining seat. All... Yeah. Then where does the masseuse sit? So... Okay. It doesn't... Oh, hang on, hang on, hang on. He's standing behind him. Do you guys have... Do you guys have gold class outside of Australia? Yeah, I was about to say. So... In Britain we literally have standard and premium. Premium is just a comfy AC, but it doesn't even recline. Oh, well, so in Australia... Oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, my God. It's kind of like posh cinema, I guess, if you want to frame it that way. It's like an area where you can get like champagne and shit and like... Jesus. Okay, yeah. I'm talking about my local cinema. I'm not talking about the best cinema in Britain. I don't know what they do. Oh, well, I mean, this is part of Chains. This is part of, like, events, cinemas, how it's... Yeah, I'm talking about Odeon. It's like... I have two local cinemas, and one of them is, like, you know, your Chains cinema. And the other one is this, like, Indie cinema, that's like... It's not even, like, built with purpose-built screens. It's just got rooms in it with projectors that... And it's all comfy seats, and also there's a bar in the room where you watch a movie. That's pretty cool. Wow. You know what? I could have used a bar before I watched Thor XI Thunder. See, I had a right... What cinema did you go to to watch the film, Rex? Wow. I didn't. I watched it here in my home. Oh, so there's, like, you can see a cinema at your window. Yes, I had a telescope. Wow, that's epic. And the movie felt better because it was very far away. My, uh... Minus too far away. I don't think I have a telescope that good. No, so... Now that we figured out that reclining seats are actually pretty common anywhere else. Except here, apparently. I think it depends probably on the brand of the cinema brand. Well, I know it's a recent thing they added because before the Rona, I don't remember them having those. So I guess they built them in while that happened. They wanted to just turn the theater into the... Just the hospital so you could lounge on your back in that corridor. The reason why our last cinemas ended up having them was because it's more of an incentive to get people in. Like, the seats are bigger as well. So, like, you could fit less people in, but I could even be lodging in there. You have to actually start really trying to convince people to go to the theater and then to see... Kind of. Yeah, like, I think that might have been why they didn't make the experience more comfortable, even if it fits less people, in general, going to, like, cinemas. Making them a premium thing. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I figure that's the logic behind it. But I mean, still, you got, like, your super-duper, crazy, like, premium. But that cost, like, 50 bucks. Damn! Dang, I'm okay. No, I'm not paying that. I paid, like, 18 euros for the experience. Oh, well, I mean, yeah, sure. Like, average movie ticket doesn't cost that much. It's about 11 or 12. Because I'm kind of tied. Because I need to search for the original voice-overs, because most of them are obviously in German. I'm not going to watch those. So I'm mostly... Some kind of a traditional cinema go-to that play exclusively original voices. Really? I'm so surprised. Hey. How much do you pay for your ticket? I'll beat you up. I'm sorry. Was it, say, 18 euros for yours? Yeah, 18 euros. But that's because it's the premium seats and also because I mostly have to use the 3D screenings, I have to pay another extra euro and a half or something. What do you pay on average for, well, I guess, premium seats if you have premium seats, rags? We... I think... I don't generally go to the premium ones, so I don't remember off the top of my head. But the base price of the cinema that I go to is $11 to $12. Well, that's way cheaper than one. $11 to $12. The thing is, I wonder if this is... The prices of tickets at cinemas changes depending on which area you're in. If you're in a poorer part of a city, the cinema just costs less. So you can go to a cinema that's part of the same chain and it would just cost less in the poorer area of the city. It's kind of interesting. I think it's interesting that we don't like this movie so much. We're talking about the quality of seats in cinemas across the world. I think it's very interesting to know. More substance in that conversation as well. Anyway, right, so I was watching the cinema and I was like, wow, this is pretty bad. I just went out and I was like, I don't really feel anything. It was like with a multiverse of madness. I was like, I guess it's over now. I'm going to take my bicycle and ride back. Which was a nice bicycle right by the way. It was wonderful. I think I had to watch Thor in between. Disgusting. And then I... It was really weird because I started taking notes for the forge I did yesterday with Ringy. And I started taking notes and at some point I realized I completely forgot about the whole gore intro and I didn't write it down. I was like, I guess I should probably do that. So I already started forgetting things about the movie because it didn't care. You forgot the best part? Yeah, yeah. And yeah, when I started re-watching it, I was just like, man, this is really frustrating. I don't know what we're doing to Thor. I don't know what we're doing to the characters. I don't know why this whole thing is happening. I don't know why we need Jane back for this thing just to heat here at the end basically. Thor is just a loser. I just don't care about Thor right now. They got rid of that interest for me as well. Good job. Thank you. Yeah, it's really bad. I'm going to apply the general rule of... We're going to do... Spoiler-free in real-time. It goes through here. But obviously you can be nice and vague and broad in the opening. But yeah, that's about it. Boy, that in there. You're my right. I don't care about Thor anymore and I actually kind of like Thor. But now I'm just like another character in the Marvel Universe that I don't care about anymore. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Jay, who goes next? I believe it is Shad next. Oh. Oh, is it my turn? Oh boy. I thought I was going to get it back. No, it's you and then me and then Fringy then Shad. You said we were the bouncing thing. I gave it to Jay from that rule. I'm not the official now. I was official now. He said that you can't go back. Yeah. You're going to rob me of this rags? My rags. What do you have against me, man? I thought I just thought we had an order. I thought Jay had decided on an order before he changed his mind. My order was the second alphabetical second letter. Is that what it was? Is that what you changed it to? All right. Okay, okay. I thought you were slighting me. I think I'll get over it though. Posting the tag or something? Yeah. I hope we'll be here for a while. You know, like when you're in line, this is like someone trying to cut in line in front of you. You should have said before then. He cut before anyone else. Have we forgotten this? Who? Well, in all the other options, I was always going last. And then he let me go forward. It's like someone letting me go forward in the line. And then you're like, no. Yeah. It's fine to be last in line. That's fine to be last. It's fine to be what everyone else does. You could judge. Hang on. No, not if you're on the Titanic. That is very true. Salient point. You suppose in that circumstance, it might be disadvantageous to be last in line in the Titanic. My favorite part about it. Unless, oh, oh, oh, except, what if you were in line to get on the Titanic when it set sail, but they ran out of space and tickets and everything. And you were in the back of the line. You never got to get on. You're like, ah, man, and you feel like you got jipped. But it turns out it was actually really good that you were at the back of the line. That is a very good point. I might have to give him a seat to that one. We will talk about Thor. I swear to God. I guess. All right. It's my turn. And just because Thor is such a riveting film, I'm going to delay it even further because people might notice that my sound might be a little off. It's because I'm traveling and I'm using a different mic. I apologize if the sound is a little bad. I recently attended the Abbey Medieval Festival. That was a lot of fun. That's right. Yeah. Very exhausting, though. My throat is like dying on me. So there's a double reason why my sound is probably crap because now my voice is dying as well. But I suppose I should talk about this. Oh, oh, so amazing film. Because, wow, it was amazingly bad. So in my review on Night's Watch, I actually gave it a 3 out of 10. But I also sit on that. The more I think about this film, the worse it gets. And that is very true. Oh, yeah. This is like crap. It's one of those. It just gets worse and worse than what you think about it. This is so amazingly bad. And they have ruined Thor thoroughly. Oh, my goodness. And, oh, Tika Wattidi. Like, this film seems like such a jerk-off session for him where he was just high on his own farts. Not getting a crap, thinking that he's untouchable and he can just do whatever the hell he wants. And as a result, he has served up the biggest heaping pile of crap I think I've ever seen him make so far. Yeah. I think this is his worst work. It's his worst movie. Absolutely. Not a contest, is it? No. I think everything I've seen of his is good. I guess his Mando episode wasn't very good. His Mando episode isn't like this. Not like this. We've discussed, we've already talked about this offline, I'm aware, but like, I know that there are definitely problems he brought to that episode, but at the same time, I gave it very little chance of being good. Even like, You mean whether or not he was doing it? He was doing it, right? Yeah. That's fine. It's still his work, you know? Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, it's hard for me to compare this one to Multiverse of Manors because they're so bad, but sometimes they're bad in different ways. And then there are also, you know, like universe breaking things and all that stuff. I can't really decide which one I dislike more between two, honestly. I think I came out of Multiverse of Manors more annoyed than Full Love and Thunder. But then again, I wasn't like, the character's already ruined for me in Multiverse of Manors. Doctor Strange was mostly ruined. WonderVision was already ruined. So this one is a bit more of a, you know, a stab in the heart because Thor had some vestiges left over. He was a little bit ruined by Endgame. Yeah, he was, but there was some stuff was left and now it's completely just thrown out. They have just made him such a bumbling clown. Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah, it's very much going to be a personal thing for which one pissed you off more because yeah, Multiverse of Manors has plenty in it that can curiate fans. But so does this. It's a matter of, yeah, whichever gets to you the most. Who's next, Jay? That would be free. Oh. Thor Love and Thunder is like an absolute mess. I think that mess is, that's the word I would use to describe it over anything else. While I was watching that film, it really, I've said this a few times, but it feels like they were rendering the film on a laptop as they were driving to like deliver it to cinemas. Like because of how light that film came together. It's like, it is so clearly like a bunch of component pieces that they didn't know how they were going to fit together. They hadn't made up their mind on what the story was going to be about. And so you're left with something that's like very visibly sloppily put together. And the result is that you have a film that is incredibly incoherent. Incoherent in terms of plot, it's like a kind of a catastrophe on that front. The characters are either thin or contradictory. The thematic through line is just doesn't really follow at all and isn't very well supported. And of course, this is a Marvel movie. So the world building is shit. Even though the whole point of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is that building is the appeal. I would like to highlight phase two. Bad world building is where's Iron Man? Phase four. Bad world building is you've completely reset how everything works. Exactly. It's like, oh, you introduced another world changing incredible power that was just never acknowledged or you introduced multiple times. Two of them. Two of them. Two of them. Multiple times. Yeah, multiple of them. Yeah, it's really shit. Something that's been really interesting. So people can be pretty hyperbolic when they say like something is the worst thing ever. You know, it's like, well, all right, calm down. Like, it's just really bad. Something that's been really difficult with phase four is that the spectrum of quality with the exception of no way home is so condensed. It's all being really bad in a way that films what is the range of quality in this phase? Like, one, two, and three. Kind of, it's in that one to three range. I guess now we could say it's in the zero to three range. Nine times in a row, you know. Something's gone wrong. The process that's used to make Marvel movies, it doesn't work. Something's wrong. It's suffering. It's been deteriorating so badly that it seems like even general audiences and a lot of like film people on the on the Twitter land and everything are already turning against this film like right away, which doesn't really happen with Marvel product, which is really nice to see. Yeah. Yeah, I was actually surprised. It was really satisfying to come out of an old movie and go, that was shit. And turn it into Twitter and be like everyone's saying, oh, that was shit. I mean, oh, okay. As we've commented on, it was nice to see the turnover on Multiverse Manus was quite quick. This one was like almost instant. I don't think I've ever seen it this fast. People are turning on this film as they watch it. It's great. Which is really good. I was genuinely surprised. People have been defending such crap recently. Yeah. I was actually expecting that. Well, they're just going to enjoy all the dumb jokes in this and then give it a free pass. But to see them actually come out and say that, yeah, oh. A lot of viral. You can never tell. I wonder if it is just the fact that the visual effects conversation has tuned people into an understanding of the way that Marvel makes films. Yeah. It's not the way that good films are typically made. These films are like made in pieces. Very recently lined. Put together. Yeah. This is a sludge movie. I mean, they've all been sludge basically. Absolutely. But it's so clearly sludge. And it's like, what is the product of the way that Marvel makes movies? The ideas come after like the project, which already is like, I don't know about that. They like often pre-visualize and set up like action scenes before they even have a story in mind. Of course, they need to be beholden to what stories come after, but not really because everybody wants to tell their own story. And nobody even knows what anybody else is doing. Like to where you have. Star Wars. We have a great example of that in this film. Oh, yeah. Yeah. A lot of things are made at similar times or at least crossing over timelines and nobody's talking to each other about their plans for a particular entity in the universe. Nobody cares. And nobody seems to be particularly fussed about world building either. Like the idea of any level of continuity and like thinking it through just non-existent, but I've already gone a long enough. So yes, it's it's shit. It's not a good movie. Right. Who's next? Everyone's on. I don't know. No. Right. And you two have like kind of said stuff, but you haven't had. I was counting that as us having done a go. Okay. Whoa. Whoa. It's upset now, Jay. Nice. You want to go next? No, you go. I don't want to. All right. Well, I'll go then since Jay doesn't want to. I'm sure Jay will figure out a new system while I'm chatting away. This movie shit through and through. There is virtually nothing that even approaches being a redeeming quality or or is even sort of an interesting idea that they entertain. You have to dig deep until you can sort of get to that kind of thing with one exception that we'll get into later. It doesn't look particularly good. It doesn't really have. It just it is lacking merits of all kinds pretty much. It feels almost personal the way that it makes me hate this movie. I really think that this is I think I think it was Shad who said that this is like Taika Waititi just sort of like being full of himself and you really get that vibe. This is kind of like the negaverse version of Jojo Rabbit almost where you just it just this is what happens I guess when you get too full of yourself after making Ragnarok and you think you can do no wrong and you just do whatever you want and it'll all be great and fine and people will love it and ooh I'm going to ruin your myth so not I clever you know it's it's it's just it's almost well it's it's like I'm I'm the guy who makes the funny movies but I've also made movies that have heart. I can make jokes all the time that never undermine the drama. Yeah the drop off quality good. Oh yeah I never lie. Obviously mileage will vary in terms of the kind of enjoyment you get from the humor from comedies. I thought Ragnarok was hilarious through and through. I really really enjoyed Ragnarok's jokes. Chris Hemsworth has excellent comedic timing and he's he's a really funny guy and he was directed well and the jokes were written well and they were placed appropriately. Ragnarok knew when it was time to have a moment to be solemn and to be serious and you just don't have that in this movie because everything is undercut by a joke. This has become the thing that people have been saying Marvel has been like for years. Now it's that thing thanks to this movie. That thing you're talking about. Do they dial that up to 11? Yeah this is the worst example. I don't think we can get worse than this. The amount of comedy getting in the fucking way like rearing its head all the time to be like laugh. This movie has broken audiences in that regard and when we were watching the movie. I don't think you can give that example yet. We're going to have to wait. We will get there. I just want to build off something that Rags was saying about the any redeeming features in the film. To me there was one thing that I actually appreciated and liked and we'll get to it. Yeah there was one thing but it's more of a subjective personal thing but I appreciate it was in there. No no I could see why you might like it but no. We'll see. And there might be a second thing that I was glad it was in there but it's not much. I don't know if it's worth saying but all the performances were absolutely fine if not good and Christian Bale is actually putting in effort and it's just such a waste. I think that he rises above the rest. For ultimately maybe the worst film we've seen in a long time. I'm sure that'll be a conversation. That is an interesting conversation to have. The reality is that this is the case with pretty much every Marvel movie. The performances are never the problem or at least they haven't been for ages or ever really I don't know. The performances have always been pretty reliable. The actors are being let down by the material. Christian Bale is definitely rising above the material. To the point where I feel like if you he was just having a night out he went to Tesco to grab some and you just put a gun to his head and said actors though you're a father who's you know cry your eyes out and curse this creature over here for doing this that he could do it. You just do it straight away and it would be completely believable because that's how talented he is. And that's how it feels to me in this movie where it's like yeah I can act if you guys want and then they're like yeah yeah yeah he's like okay yeah I'll do it. It's weird though because it's housed within a film that just doesn't seem to give a fuck. It is strange to see that contrast when it's very blatant that this film seems to be almost reveling in its irreverence of everything and it's trying to be jokey. This is a very this film comes across as very immature and childish and Christian Bale is really really putting in he's giving it all and it stands out but it's weird the contrast particularly after that first scene and then what we get into. What Mauler said how this film just doesn't give a crap right? This is probably the strongest example in recent memory for me that really demonstrates this on multiple levels this film almost goes out of its way to undercut any possible dramatic tension but to also disrespect important dramatic things that has happened in characters passing everything like that and it just as a joke it just does not give a friggin crap to an insulting level. So were you made angry by any of Ragnarok? There's a couple things that do make me very angry in this like frustrated so I'll probably bust a gut when we come to it chronologically. I'll bust too. Like Ragnarok was not afraid to be childish whereas Love and Thunder is afraid to be grown up and mature. Oh Wow, why don't you tweet that out? Yeah That's enough tweets for one day. It's probably worth it because the tweet I put out I still feel sums up my position on this as well but it's a slight echo of what Fring's already said and all of us have actually said in terms of how it's produced but I said that the film feels like it was made in a factory that was made by robots studying human statistical reactions to sense data without knowing what a joke or drama is it's a mess doesn't even come close to explaining this thing and I genuinely feel that way like it doesn't feel quite right like it was made by a person as opposed to someone who's just like piecing bits together that they know work quote unquote but doesn't at all and they haven't cared to see the final thing they've just just put a bunch of shit together I'm interested in this analogy because what parts would you say are the kind of stock-stated factory marvel things There's loads of jokes that aren't jokes there's loads of people talking to each other without the words out of like the sentences or the reactions of actually reacting to things people are saying they just keep moving things keep happening like nobody really in the film acts like themselves and they don't seem to even acknowledge they're in scenes a lot of the time it's like utterly bizarre and then tonally it just switches on a dime to the point where it feels like a robot is actually sending you signals to be like we've got 2 minutes of laughter 30 seconds of sad, 5 minutes of laughter 4 minutes of action, 1 minute of sad yeah like I have an algorithm that they use AI generated comedy almost it doesn't feel at all natural when anything moves from any scene to be dramatic but then they're like well time is up we're moving on we got action scene to get to we're on a timeline here guys let's get moving to break it down for why but it really does feel like the most produced thing I've ever seen movie-wise this one it's interesting that because I see what you're saying absolutely and I wonder if it's the way that the film was edited because I've heard there's like a 4 hour cut of this film like his style of directing is everyone comes into the scene they have a good old jolly time they ad-lib heaps of good old jolly time good old jolly time oh tons tons yeah and so it seems like the set work is not taken very seriously Tyker is just having a lot of fun and they get all this crazy amount of just footage that doesn't really fit well with everything else and then come editing they have just insane amount of footage and what sounds like my impression is they have a lot of it is disjointed because it's all done sporadically and ad-lib and then they had to try and cut a film together that's in a more reasonable time frame and then you get this mess I'll try and point them out as we go for what I think are some of the most choppy edits in this whole film because there's a lot of them but again with the algorithm idea of the minutes and minutes and minutes it's like they filmed a bunch loads of comedy a bit of action and a bit of sad and then they chopped those up into series of one minute two minute three minutes tossed them all into baskets and then just were like what do we need here it's like three minutes sad and they grabbed any random one and then they just chunk them together and glue them like it's this is what I mean by produce they've cracked the formula to a perfection level that has now made it so that nobody can enjoy this anymore mmm and it's it'll be interesting to see what what comes of that with like upcoming projects if the formula continues to like break and be and these things get like really poorly received straight away mm-hmm yeah which you know it gives us some level of hope as almost silly as that sounds it's like hey maybe because if this was doing incredibly well critically then Marvel would know I wouldn't have to change that's always been what we say but both both this and multiverse were like distinctly well so I Rotten Tomatoes is not like a useful metric at all the only thing that's useful about it is considering like what it says about um perceptions among audiences when a Marvel movie gets like a 60 or a 70 on Rotten Tomatoes you kind of need to like skew that down a lot most of the time yeah so like if it's a 6 it's probably like a 2 or a 1 because like Marvel movies tend to get reviewed just more favorably than that so it's like really interesting in terms of what it says about um where Marvel's at like when something gets oh a 70 it's like well that's good on Rotten Tomatoes it's like it ain't good for Marvel though you know based on um how their films are received yeah I would happily describe everything we've said so far as glowing praise and that anybody looking to find out exactly what happens in this movie you're in for a ride obviously so yeah but before we get into the first scene is there anything else you guys wanted to set as sort of a groundwork foundation oh no uh the movie's bad um the movie sorry I mean I guess I'll have my quick go the movie is extremely bad all of the characters are bad but with a particular focus on just like Thor is reduced um he is a punching bad character for this film where he's gotta be made fun of and nothing is seemingly off limits um the movie Foster is like um the film doesn't seem to be aware of what her traits are she will say a particular thing and the film it might be particularly egotistical or it might be it might be completely lacking in any sense of priority and the film doesn't seem to notice the film seems to think she's really cool oh it insists that she's very cool you know I completely agree J like my impression of Jane Foster in this is that she has certain lines that feel like they come from completely different characters at different points in the film and if it was a different person playing the role and the name wasn't given you'd have a hard time picking out who this character is apart from you know the relationship with Thor and stuff but yeah struck me as that I'll give specific examples as they come up but there were times where I was like okay this isn't you she's not behaving the way she used to be here and there yeah even within this film without reference to the previous appearances of her she just feels off it feels like it feels like her dialogue was written by like it feels like there were three separate writers who wrote her without talking to each other like at all and communicating in any way but like they wrote the same lines in the same scene like they wrote she feels like a wandering interloper in this movie despite how they might try to make her seem super important and everything like that she doesn't have a place even though she clearly has a place but it's like a lost character kind of like Valkyrie more so but you're just sort of here around you're wandering you're kind of like talking about you know how like when you think about stories that can be really tight how like the whatever arc the main character's going on is in some way like pretty intrinsically linked to the external conflicts like very directly like a lord of the rings where every character you're here to do this you're doing this you know this person everyone's pretty simple just are superficial in a sense they're not just around well I guess what I mean is that Jane's arc is kind of like its own thing that really doesn't have much to do with the central conflict with like Gore and saving well I guess we're jumping into plot stuff maybe it'll become clear as we talk about it or maybe I'll figure out exactly what I mean the final character I wanted to name check was Gore who was just again same description it feels like three separate writers got to write his dialogue and none of them realized there were other writers working on the project and then they included a random hodgepodge of things that all three of them had contributed kind of yeah he is one of the most blatantly yeah go ahead you know after just even you get a selection of lines and then the second time we see him you're already like wait what exactly it's like fucking character assassination speedrun they introduced it immediately exactly what we've learned about it was oh no actually the opposite thing you're like oh wait what Gore is one of the most efficiently inconsistent characters that you could find in terms of being a villain it's doubly bad yeah because I shouldn't really be saying this yet but just the it's an action rather than even dialogue an instant one that tells you like oh they fucked it up but we'll get there it's kind of interesting its motivations flip flop throughout the film and the film is only aware of it occasionally and even when it is aware of it it doesn't earn it and they don't do anything with it no I think that's one of the things that kind of is a huge unfortunate aspect when it comes to Gore our main villain is that he potentially could have been very interesting but they do absolutely nothing after that first scene you think oh this is neat this is an interesting premise I wonder what they'll do with this the answer is nothing and the opposite so that's especially in the MCU where as far as I recall I'm gonna have to rewatch before Thor 1 and 2 to verify this or maybe chat could verify it for me now I remember in the first two Thor films Thor is not explicitly a god he is a figure of great power but he's just like a dude from Asgard who was worshiped as a god in the Old Norse like that's how I remember it which seems very strange that now it's there is a canon of no there's just a they seem to be like almost a race of people who are just called gods it is a confusing nature in this it's a confusing aspect of this film beyond that beyond that hang on I've been throwing off Mola how dare you there's like a lot of potential for Gore there I would rather see a well realized Gore in a world where there's not like literal gods that are walking among us and they're just a race of people called the gods I would much rather see this character exist in a world where yeah some people are worshiped as gods because they are comparatively a lot more powerful than the people who worship them and you would see Gore choosing who to slay on this basis based on like these not actual just like that guy's a god that guy isn't that's just a fact but rather a set of standards that he had yes chat I did say among us a set of standards that he has to determine who should die for like committing the sins of acting as a god especially but we haven't even told him what he does yet yeah I suppose in which case shall I start this thing up should we start talking about what happens in this film well if you don't mind proposing for just a moment I'm gonna get a drink and we can dive right on in to a lot of things when he starts and you see John Connor at a bar at like on a beach I'm gonna get a drink and tell him about John Connor Jay and then at like an all T-800 shows up and it shoots John in the chest I love that scene how do you hear of scene dark fate we watched it together I have not because I wanted to protect my sanity dude you would have gotten that mood at John Connor in the opening scene I know I have heard this dark fate is a tougher one to pretend doesn't happen because of the legitimacy that it has of having Sarah Connor in it I think like Genesis I can treat as some I don't know I don't know it's easier to pretend that it didn't happen because there's just two contradicting versions of events that have been put to film I guess what I'm saying is it's hard it's hard to do it but I think I could happily watch Terminator 2 see the thumbs up into the the lava I think it's easier the most I think it's easier the most just because it's like hey there's actually like no hard one canon thing that happens next even the studios have got me like yeah there's just two options of things that you can either go with the Terminator 3 to Genesis or you can go with Terminator 3 straight up said those were decanonized yeah they did they said the dark fate was the canon I suppose okay Cameron said that but like the old film still exists so when you're watching them I guess you would count them as an Elseworld story then greatest pioneer no but to even the run who's that it's in the camera run as with that being like Elseworld just that are just as good as dark fate I feel like it becomes much easier to just say fuck it you know there's so many options here which one I pick I could just pick none of the above I guess it gives a legitimacy to the stats that hey no one can really decide what happens next there's the first two everyone agrees that those ones are canon and then the next ones is you know there's some debate of literally the events that will happen next well they didn't used to be a debate like Terminator 3 was like that was just the big one but then they changed their mind it's decanonized Terminator 3 much more than canonized to dark fate um yeah I guess you could say that I guess it's more so like I'm pretty sure we talked about this with Star Wars where I said like as much as I would like to when I see in Return of the Jedi they're all there happy with the Ewoks all I can think is you all failed and you're all gonna die I can't not think about what comes up meanwhile for whatever reason I don't ever think of solo as like actually having happened I forget about solo all the time I forget about solo and there's another one that I forget about but of course I can't remember what it is right one no not Rogue One solo and Kenobi I don't know maybe it'll come to me I think Kenobi I think Kenobi I think Kenobi has already slipped into the place where I don't really consider it canonical almost like I just oh I don't while I was watching that bitch I don't believe these events happened it's so blatantly canon break anyway well I wasn't sure if I'd met up my mind yet unlike where I'd subconsciously sat on that it's a weird one but anyway I guess we're gonna get to talk about Thor so you know last we saw Thor it was the end of Endgame right and he's gonna go team up with the Guardians that way to see Thor hanging out with the Guardians again they had such great chemistry with some of the characters and it'll be so cool to see him hanging out together and going from place to place and did their interactions and dialogue and developing with their relationships oh it'll be great I can't wait to see some of that um of course last we saw him he was also a charlatan and you know I guess there's no point in actually what matters to him and where they're at we'll just do that based on who gets introduced in the story but we don't even open on Thor we don't we open on Gore I thought it was funny when in drinker's video he was like getting frustrated with the fact that there's characters called Gore, Thor and Korg it's like the Elden Ring bosses yeah I still don't remember the differences same so yeah it's a guy he's in a desert it's Christian Bale actually awesome oh my god it's Christian Bale he's praying to a god and he's keeping on moving and it's just it was already just a little bit awkward for me you guys can maybe help me out because what I heard he's holding it and looking at it and then she says I'm dying I think no I think she says I'm tired oh I guess that's better well she ain't lying either way well okay then she does close her eyes and I think it fades to him having made a grave fucking hell that'd be tough oh yeah yeah also it's for your daughter which will also be tough yeah so it's already like two minutes in and you're just like oh damn this guy okay going through a lot looks up any spots I guess would you call that an oasis or just a series of I would certainly call it an oasis yeah me too and it's like oh shit okay and I think that the automatic assumption should be like he's the mirage or something someone's doing something to him he gets to the edge of the biome in Minecraft yes he wanders over there gets in he starts falls into like a pool eats some food drinks some water he's been blessed clearly yeah so something weird happens and I'm still not sure exactly what it is he cuts his hand did he cut his hand on something random or did he cut his hand on the blade I think he cut his hand on the blade yeah god but something they show us is that the cut he has is that the way of saying is that the way of saying in this area you heal your wounds it's either that or he's already kind of affected by the blade for some reason as soon as he touches it he drunk was blessed healing water for the same of the fruit doesn't really go anywhere I have no idea what to even say here maybe they're telling us that gore has regenerative abilities I don't I'm still not sure because it doesn't really come up again well it gets stabbed and it's fine I guess that could be the form of saying it's come up again or maybe it's just a terrible writing it's the oasis or it's the sword or it's gore who knows it's bad writing because they don't indicate or try and give an explanation they just show this red everything happen you know why that happens quite a bit in the film to be fair yes it does this film is full of what I'd like to call surprise mechanics that will be discussed at length as we proceed so as he's having a little food this guy looking at him he's like look at this guy eating my food and he's dressed I don't know he's got all this gold stuff weird crowning and necklaces just jumping on right here this is another point where something happens without any real explanation of how why or what did he just magically wander into the realm of this god did the god let him come in was it his prayer or faith that enabled him to get there was it the sword hello god and the god seems more surprised so what didn't seem like the god did it well I would go as far as saying the best faith interpretation of this is that it was a complete accident he wandered in here this is where the god is at and yeah it's so funny because sometimes I wonder about recounting these stories to people because I could just see them being like what do you mean when I say stuff but I'm like this is all the information we have I wish I could tell you more but this is all we get and simple things could have done but if it was the sword trying to find an appropriate host or something like that like they could have had a close up of the sword where a dark light comes out and opens up the kind of the portal aura by this dark light seeping out of the oasis then the oasis appears to gore and just by that beat it indicates it's the sword that did it Sonya Chacha said he was called there it's like well but it was within reach of him dying in the desert so the place doesn't move toward him right even if the sword is like come here gore that would still be incredibly convenient that it's within reach of him on this desert planet but you know unless it was just calling out to any random fucker who happens to be near my name but the point is the film itself doesn't give any indication or cue as to what is causing this and any explanation that anyone gives to try and explain this it's head canon the film itself doesn't give us the reason it's all really convenient that it happens how it does there's even more because he's like you know my god you must be celebrating because we've all reached the point of we're all about to reach salvation or whatever and then he's like no that's bullshit we're celebrating because if you look right behind you there's an evil demon man who we just killed who has a sword that can kill me it's like I love that he mentions that it sounds like a joke like oh is this a sketch or something what no that's just the reality of the situation I guess and it's the same vein it's the same vein as what they did in um multiverse of man this is like here is black bolt he has this power and ability to kill you so nice this is black bolt I wouldn't advise getting killed by him his scream his scream to trap solid victims here is the sword it is able to kill me yeah this is the darkness sword I wouldn't advise picking it up if I could die you gotta be patched up what? those people say the sword calls to him it's like yeah yeah yeah but even if that's true it's incredible convenience that he's in range without getting fucking killed whoops if only a day earlier his daughter would have died and that explanation of the sword calling to you the god says it after you know gore actually gets it to me that was only an explanation given to explain how he was able to grab it or you know the sword doesn't explain how he got there doesn't explain why it's there isn't it weird that the sword like warts into him at that point it didn't do it earlier but it did it then okay I guess that's how that works like you know it's all very sudden and just this is how it works but yeah so I guess if I summarize it quickly so then we can bounce around talking about it the guy is like you know Salvation Wu and he's like no just celebrate him because guy behind you was evil and tried to kill me or not even evil just an asshole he's trying to kill me with this dark dark weapon he's like all gods and he's like oh okay um and then he like explains that he's he's suffered and he's desperate and that oh yeah he said he tried to destroy my empire and then gore is like but your empire is destroyed nobody's left to worship you and he's like yeah there'll be more you know whatever yeah he really does not give a shit you know you're all replaceable and then he's like well we've suffered and he's like suffering is what you do it's your only purpose he's like a really cartoony yeah it's such a weird breaking mood we have here like we see his daughter die and it's like oh man because when I start watching it's like oh man we might have something here and then the fucking god starts and talks like oh never mind oh yeah so I hope people also that weapon over there kills me by the way so don't touch that one man I just don't care about innocent people that's me watching it was um oh we've got like gore's this sad story here but then as soon as he's in this oasis it's like oh no immediately we're in a cartoon show it's like no and what also doesn't work for me here is this god is acting like such a colossal asshole I'm wondering why does anyone worship him you think if he because you could have like a god that's a jerk but he puts on displays of you know niceness for his followers to get worshipers for it for whatever reason he wants worshipers or anything like that but the context of this scene is that it seems like every time he finds potentially one of his work he doesn't give us stuff and he treats him like crap okay what was the cause to get them to worship his god in the first place if that's by context the treatment that he always gives to these so yeah if I was worshipping this god like if I devoted my life to thinking oh this guy's great you love this guy he's brilliant and I meet him and that's what he starts saying I'd be like oh so this is a test yeah well it's pretty funny think of the way that it's presented that the god is he's such a jerk that a devout follower of him like kills him he instantly loses all belief in that guy and then just yeah he's such a cunt that a guy who literally just you know allowed his daughter to die in worship of you meets you for 30 seconds he's like you're not actually that great to be honest I don't really like you they should have had him address talk about say something about the daughter personally like when he said like my daughter died he should have said something very very disrespectful specifically about the daughter and that would have helped a great deal I don't know if this is something that you can do in like one scene of dialogue with the god I think it needs to be done through action and through montage if it's going to be the opening you would want like like a man toils his whole life in a thorough society showing all of it at every turn like the gods just don't help and then right at the end he discovers the truth the gods never cared well you could have him die and then like he discovers that they could have helped this whole time and they just didn't they couldn't be bothered or something yeah because it's all done so quickly he's completely 100% devout and the guy just says the most perfectly evil and ass holy lines within like four opportunities to even do so it's like he knows that I've got to convince you that I'm the worst piece of shit ever in record time oh yeah like again it's like oh this feels like a test this feels like my lifelong ideology was worshiping this guy because he's great I might have some thoughts about all of these conspicuously evil things that he was saying that fitted within my world view first like that would probably be my you know when you encounter something that doesn't fit within your world view your first response as a person who exists is to try and validate it within your world you find the most likely explanation for it that is that is congruent with the things you already believe it's not like oh that's not what I expected maybe nothing I believe is true yeah you're right to the point where he could even have considered like wait have I died like is this even am I just in the desert right now under heatstroke just yeah it would be symbolically something that you might think you're in the desert and you come across this paradise oasis in the middle of nowhere yeah like you know you could have you know what seems like a convincing line in that situation who are you why are you pretending to be this benevolent man that I worship but we haven't got time we've got to get him moving so he says you are no god I renounce you to be fair if he thought he was an imposter and then killed him because he thought he was an imposter and then like upon the death of the god you have like that golden explosion that could be like oh my god I just killed him probably the best way to fast track it like as far as I can think of that really was yeah that jerk really was the guy yeah what a bastard and what I was actually expecting you know was that upon the death of the daughter that the you know call whatever the guy's name was he was praying for salvation to be saved and then his daughter dies and that honestly would have been enough for him to turn aside from the god because the god didn't answer we see enough parallels like that in the real world honestly and then that could have sent him on his own revenge quest to try and find the god and get answers why he didn't save him when he was praying and being so devout and worshipful and everything and that sent him on this quest to seek after the sword as a means to try and get some measure of power to take on the god and he actually went out of his way to find it yet this is like just a pathetically low effort setup it's like no we won't do any of that we'll just here's the sword here's the god we won't bother trying to delve into any level of authentic kind of character arc reaction to this and we'll make the god cartoonishly evil to make this setup and it was just pathetically low effort guy worships god guys daughter dies sword on floor that kills god god is asshole and in room killed god like yeah that's about it I guess you made it slightly longer than that with a bit more dialogue and boys Christian Dale is working yeah let's sort of mean the component parts to make up the point of the scene are really not far away from just the initial thought of like what if I got killed a god it's like a dot points scene it is it is you are expediting your character change so hard it's terrible it's so thin he's also I wanted to mention I don't know how many I tried to point out here and there but like obviously we know the special effects and so getting criticized but like this guy this god he looks fucking terrible it looks like he's been composited his face onto this like godly body quote-unquote and when you see the white shot of him standing it looks really bad it's like this weird position where his hand is like kind of behind his body it looks like a default idle stance or whatever having the gore in his chokehold or something it's really weird and bad it looks so bad I don't know why didn't you just like put a real golden suit on him or something or just make him like a normal dude like or as a normal dude I mean obviously he's like physique is incredible but like a normal guy like a person he's like head movements are bound to his shoulders because of I guess however they've managed to composite him on so it just you don't move properly either it looks awful well I imagine that this is that they didn't really account for it very well while they were shooting that seems to be the persistent issue with like Marvel visual effects as they don't think about how to suit in accordance with making it work properly so then some poor visual effects guy has to come in afterward and like fix and do way more work to account for them not doing the work on the day and yeah as we kind of alluded to you've got this really goofy scene it's rushed as hell and though like Christian Bale you're a father who's lost his daughter to a god that doesn't even give a shit act and then he does and he blows it out of fucking water he is performing so well in this film it is oh it's a shame that you do I mean you feel bad for the character and for Christian Bale I'm also sorry I guess we might be jumping the gun but I hear that gore from the comics is really cool I feel bad for gore fans oh yeah not only that it was like this movie has decided to treat all of its subject matter it's like we're only just getting started yeah so like I understand that the original comic run has a scene in it where gore removes a character's eyelids with a knife so that they are forced to watch as he kills someone they care about that character hasn't really been captured here to be honest you could put it that way he's kind of a goofy weirdo unfortunately he has a lot of joker moments yeah but very little gore so far do you want to know how you killed these guards I think this might be a conversation since we're talking about gore right now and this is much more about aesthetics gore is like an alien but I guess they decided that they weren't going to make him an alien here just have him be like well I mean he's an alien but like he's a human being like a human being in terms of being an alien apparently you know the male orc vs female orc vs demon vs female demon Christian Bale is female alien but also human man well it's just apparently the reason why they didn't make him look like gore in the comics which I think the design of gore in the comics is awesome I think it's really cool but apparently Taika Wattiti said he didn't want him to be compared to Voldemort that's really annoying I just want to show it I'll just re-post the ones that it's not Voldemort it's an alien he's clearly an alien so like everything that Taika Wattiti seems to have said in regards to this film is just like that was weird and wrong the best one recently was director's cuts are not good and the director needs to be reined in I almost wonder I almost wonder if that's just like I'm not making a director's cut because we all know right that this film was originally like 4 hours and they cut that much content to make it 2 right so is that just him saying that now so that at no point will he be forced to make a director's cut I kind of I almost feel like it's this excuse to just be done with this fucking film because I don't know the passion doesn't seem to be in it for him why can't we have an alien why is everything so great at having aliens who looking in my mind better play a human female well it's just I don't know man one of the cool things about mass effect is you've got all of these disparate aliens and like even mass effect you know you could push it more that you have more of the blob the alien types because all the main important aliens are still like humanoid like that's better than humanoid it's just like I don't know why can't we have more aliens like there's an immense problem in Halo it's like why can't we have a POV character being alien why are we still afraid of having aliens made characters racism that's why bigotry remember in the first mass effect we had the and the floating jellyfish ones I forget what they're called and I don't think we see Hanar that's it and they were in mass effect 1 and I think they're both 2 and 3 I think I don't think they're in 2 I think they're gone I'm sure there is one well whatever go ahead continue with it it's just I I don't know like it's all that because a lot of people I remember seeing said you don't want to cover up the performance with CGI as though I'm playing that you can't have a performance come through with a CG character forgetting that in this universe Thanos exists and I guess someone would be like yeah but that's like a human face I don't know man like Avatar is like 13 years old I don't know what to tell you figure it out you can make it work I assume that's why Ragn brought it up when we were talking about this a little bit earlier but Davy Jones he doesn't have a nose yeah true but Bill Nye's performance comes right through it's pairing a great performance with great effects this film doesn't have no this film doesn't have that because there's some I wonder if that's the cool aesthetics I wonder if that's the because I didn't want to be compared to Voldemort it's a reason that I wonder if it's just the public reason and the genuine reason is that he didn't have faith in the effects house he didn't have faith in the process to make it look good Thor Love and Thunder is one of the most expensive standalone Marvel film I know that I am aware of that but I still think it's possible that Tiger with TT was aware going into it that Marvel came out in 2014 and Rocket looked really great yes but Marvel face forest looked really shit and so it's possible that Tiger knew this like and yet he chose to have intense visual effects really are you saying that whenever he did have them you just had to or something because yeah you realize that that was a thing that was developing in my brain and you know he plays a CG character called Korg he was already introduced in Ragnarok no I'm just saying he didn't have his business in here yeah and Korg is in this film more than he was in Ragnarok he's one of the best characters Korg looks like shit just while we were on Korg Korg was I hated him in this film so much I just wanted him to shut up I'm there now with that too I'm there with him I wish he just wasn't around it's off ghost alright that was funny let us continue he'll be introduced soon Korg anyways yeah so he's like fuck you I renounce you and then the god starts strangling gore and then the sword teleports itself to gore and it's kind of weird the sword is like whispering to him he gets hallucinations of lots of different things the word eternity is sad we'll be fine interesting and then I think it's just like a hard cus it's like wait what and he's stabbed the god with the sword and so this god who's clearly like very ego driven doesn't give a fuck about anything but himself he's been stabbed he knows that it's the sword that'll kill him and his choice for dialogue is the sword chose you you are now cursed yeah what the fuck that's like dialogue wouldn't even come to a person allow me to exposit allow me to exposit so that everybody understands what's happening it's not even close to what that man would say he'd be like you mother fuck how did that even wow but instead he's like the sword has chosen you you are now cursed it would be a lot funnier if he said like you busted it would be but they needed to get us they needed those two pieces of information out the sword chose him which to be fair it was pretty obvious visually and then that means you are cursed now which is relevant okay but they do bring that up later in the film unprompted by the information given by this god so we didn't need this that's also true we have some more of this coming up as well it's a fairly common thing in this film it's like stuff is overexplained the audience is not treated like they're smart cookies we're idiots I like how none of the people around that god are telling the god look out he's got the evil sword in his hand it's done real quick it was done in like a split second we saw it in slow mo oh okay and you'd think if the god had any brains he would be very very concerned about what the sword does where it goes but he doesn't notice anything the sword just appears right next to him this gets weird immediately I would even say his first scene has issues he says that's funny I don't feel cursed which is like okay I guess that's like trying to be like I'm feeling good so this is my vow that the gods will die and it's kind of like hang on mate I get that you want to kill this god at least you know it's a bit of it weird this scene but you know but like way all gods and then the response to that from everybody who likes this film would be well no the sword corrupted him into thinking that's what he wants that would be cool if that was in the film yeah I don't know that's true would it be cool if that was in the film rags kind of oh that's I'm saying in terms of you guys are saying that but for your argument to really hold much weight it would be nice if that was actually in the film for you to reference instead of you just made it up it would have been really easy that they've given us his motivation and then they changed it and they've told us well no it's because he's not him now so what the fuck was the point of all that it's the same one thing what is the value of the arc of her making the choice to be good at the end if she was corrupted and had no autonomy before that no choice has been made they're a different person in a sense um yeah they've been doing that a lot in phase four where like the bad guy goes well for jumping the gun of it like we got to that later once I was there to be fairly also enslaved gods in the comics so that doesn't help anything that we're talking about right now we're not talking about the comics though we're talking about the film that doesn't help I have nothing against a you know cursed object that can corrupt someone it can be used to good effect if the writers know how to handle it what are the rings exactly the one ring yeah but what you want to do then is consistency and for example the WandaVision one the book gets destroyed and she's still crazed evil mad woman or anything and so there's no consistency more so than that right um even so if we have a crazy sword that corrupts this guy why have we just bothered with his like character and origin about his daughter like um I think you could work it like the sword at least calls for someone that has maybe even just a slight or similar inclination for its greater purpose and so this guy now hates this god and he wants to kill this this one god and that could be enough of a call to get a connection to the cursed object and then and the way they could have done it would have been really easy to make this so much clearer as soon as he grabs it have that weird you know evil voice speak around and says like kill all gods kill all gods they will all die we'll make them all die and something like that and then you could have his reaction like I think that's in the film I can see it as like a I don't know what person is tentacles kind of I kind of I wish it wasn't cursed at all I feel like the point is getting lost it wasn't corruption the core elements we have here I'm trying to draw this out it's like literal pieces of storytelling it's like character with gold to kill god for being a shitty god sword that has the goal itself to kill all gods it's quite a sentient thing it provides power corrupts people blah blah blah we never know why this sword is this way a nice swear to god if anyone gives me a comic explanation you're missing the point so it's not that's our two elements and then they combine and goals irrelevant the sword is now taken over it just wants him to kill all gods and so it doesn't work in the way that it feels like the movie wants you to think which is a corruption of wanting to kill one god is wanting to kill all gods but it's not really those two things aren't really connected at all because the motive to kill that god was very specific like it's almost arbitrary like he could have corrupted him into doing anything like oh kill every god everyone that ever worshiped this god or all of his friends or all gods it's like a roulette wheel of what it'll make you do if you get corrupted I don't see the connection at all it's like I will kill all gods now it's like why and then it's like well it's the sword that wants to do it and it's like why we don't know it just so happens that this man got corrupted and wanted to kill all gods he wanted to kill a single god and that's really not relevant to his overall goal because he's corrupted it's such a weird set of like information you could have shown his daughter and then him finding the sword and him going to kill all gods without that character moment with the cartoonishly evil god looking at the sword it's a very kind of specific purpose you know someone who ever created this thing must have really hated a lot of gods it wouldn't work much better if this type of sword was just like a death sword it's a sword that has the ability to kill anything it's like that's what it is and gore was the one who came to that himself I think it could work I think the sword would be nothing do you have an idea of why I hate stuff like that right now is that the MCU keeps every single film inventing great powers that no one's ever mentioned or heard of before yeah that's true and being mindful of canon thinking like yeah why didn't anyone grab the sword before trying to fight Thanos if you create a fancy universe in this region that no one ventures to because it's just an acidic death place and if you go deep into its caverns past all of its like booby traps and death traps that no one could ever survive there is a sword that can kill anything down there that you can retrieve I'm fine with stuff like that it's when they're like oh you don't know what this sword is it kills gods which is funny by the way because what does that even mean in the Marvel Universe when Thanos really blew Thor's head off with the power stone so like and he also chokes Loki to death if you can choke a god to death then a sword that can kill a god isn't that impressive he just needs to be other gods can kill other gods as we know already yeah either he needs to essentially the issue is that you need to be able to connect the character with his motivation to a utility that allows him to carry out his wins so you can't go too far and of course as we said invent something that was a super power all along you gotta straddle that line of yeah this is a thing we haven't heard of but it's not so titanically world shattering that it would have come up before it feels to me the natural evolution of this sword stuff is that he's like this worked for me I've gotten revenge in a sense or justice for the entirety of this god's disciples perhaps I can help others with their gods and then you want to engage in like an adventure where he's like able to test and do different things with different gods but no he's made it clear in this scene he's going to kill all gods full stop yeah and of course the in question mark in the areas then okay what about the good ones that actually are helping people and things what if um what if what if no no no no what if he came across the yeah I'm trying to he arrives at the oasis during the fight right the god is fighting the demon and like the demon is about to lose but the demon convinces him to help him because he's like oh no this god is actually a real big dick and he's an asshole and here's what he does and he doesn't actually help you and so he sort of he gets christian bail to kill the god and help him out in this fight and the demons gonna die but he gives christian bail like his powers or something like that and that's that's something we get more dialogue between the demon and trying to influence him and explain things I think that would have been something they could have done maybe it's the god so much he prays to like their equivalent of the devil or something to get a power to kill the god but it corrupts him and the devil wants just to kill all gods well we say in this circumstance we say like demon devil almost in an like uh maybe we don't have it be a demon or a devil it's not a force of evil because the god that he ends up killing he really is a really awful dick so it happens to be oh yeah I yeah the film needs to try a lot harder cause it's a huge jump yeah cause we're trying to be as quick as possible right like that's the fixes we need and so I would probably opt for the him like he prays to a god to get revenge on his god but the monkey poor element is that it's now corrupted against the point where it's gonna force him to kill all the gods we don't need much to show him a character at that point either not terribly if you want to have a system where maybe the end scene the first end scene ends up with him killing the the god who's a prick and then we we exit that scene and we don't learn about his motivations until later we see him attacking other gods or carrying out his plan and then he explains you know how many how many tribes were like mine how many people were like mine who were out there across all those planets that I was shown how many of them need to be you know saved from their gods or something like that and that's where we get some motivation which would be something certainly better than what we get which is nothing he just wants to kill all gods it's not hard to find a good motivation for the character to justify wanting to wipe out all gods even the good ones if someone just asks him why is he doing it I think it would he could perceive gods as being the as all being like they're so powerful they could have the power to help me and none of them dead yeah I mean it exactly or if you know power corrupt is like gods aren't really gods they're all assholes with powers and you know what happens to people with powers they usually become assholes they're not they can't be trusted with this power so I'm going to wipe him all out I think you're not working hard to make him work no one should have this much power perspective could work for him it would be better but once he meets like all the like Thoran stuff then well like well shit I can really believe it as a yeah like it would be an interesting character at that point right you would have totally believe that he needs a perspective that comes up against the heroes that can be challenged which would be an individual can be corrupted an individual should not have this much power over like of course the the robot is an individual with the capacity for good should be afforded the chance to like do good and be good and help people you don't benefit the world when you take away a dude good even with great power yeah and you can make the point that it's like by taking away this power I mean it's just I don't know it just changes people's perspective someone will always be more powerful than somebody else and just it's not power specifically it's the people clarification yeah the villains would be proven wrong in this thing we're not advocating for the point but yeah it could almost be inherently hypocritical because to prevent people from having this much power he needs to gain this much power dude that's literally the arc that they put Modo on and they forgot about it in Multivus Man Modo is like too many sorcerers with too much power I shall use all my power as a sorcerer to stop them yeah I can hate that shit but I mean that film has been eclipsed in terms of what's bad about the MCU by its follow-up when you put someone like hypocritical characters like this they're allowed but you need to be aware as a writer that what you're writing is a character with an what you don't want to do let's put it this way what you don't want to do is have a character have the perspective that all gods are evil and then hatch a plan which relies on the gods being benevolent and wanting to help people in order to kill those gods that's an oddly specific hypothetical for me no one would ever write that Fringy that's ridiculous on its face I'm just saying like it would be stupid if you're a villain who explicitly hates all gods because they're malevolent uses their benevolence against them that would be weird no way I brought it up that would be really inconsistent and odd it would be kind of fundamentally contradictory but I mean alas this is just a hypothetical true which means yeah that god's dead gore has made his position clear can I just jump in with an odd observation though no me I'll do it anyway when he stabs the god in the neck his blood is like golden something and I was like okay this is just a specific kind of thing maybe for this god but then later on the film we see it supposed to be a fairly consistent thing if someone is god like person they now have golden yellow shiny blood but not with the Asgardians and I'm wondering okay what causes a god to have that I would there's no answer there's no consistency we're going to do arbitrary things I would extend your question out into what makes a god a god it's just the same across the universe there's these powerful beings and the only thing that really ties them together is that they're powerful and apart from that I guess yeah otherwise they're just powerful that would also be viable for gore that he judges them based on who they've decided like they've put themselves in a position where they can be worshipped as a god so that you know that's enough yeah you're just a strong guy on a planet people aren't relying on you he thinks his ideology is against the idea of anyone who allows themselves to be worshipped yeah the film never actually you will have no understanding of what the word god actually means in this world by the end of the film I mean it's a direct contradiction of the first two as far as I gather where god was simply a word that was attributed to Thor by the vikings that's just how long that's just what they thought he was but you know he's always just you know he's just a powerful guy our actual gods what are they we don't know well it's not only this movie there are now competing pantheons we've got Egyptian gods and Greek gods it was Ragnarok first though that's where it was introduced that's where Thor starts calling himself a god oh yeah well cause he calls himself the god of thunder and that and then also even like Odin calls him the god of hammers well you know are you the god of hammers but not thunder not god of hammers that could be cause he could be referring to what people see in you yeah exactly I don't know they're not interested in doing any world building though like and trying to figure out how to account for all of these competing pantheons they are heavily interested in world building just not the way they should be no their investment in world building is how do we I don't know have characters show up in different stories so people can be like excited for that rather than well how do we make sense of this world what's the line that we should have had the villain ever say any any creature that demands to be worshipped is not deserving of it that's a fun perspective to go to have it ties into I guess if you want to do the whole power you know the natural power and things like that it's like if you want to be worshipped or like seeking power versus having power bestowed on you stuff like that he could I don't know like he could see the power to like wield this blade has been bestowed on me it's like my duty my responsibility or something yeah I don't know just anything more than just hey you my god turned out to be a jerk so I'm gonna kill all of them all of them how long did it take you to figure out that your god was a jerk how long did it take you 30 seconds to devout to him to work to hating his guts that must have been a a long experience of questioning your beliefs how he rushed to that but it's like yeah now he's moved on even way further to the point where it's like I would have gone to Grand Adventure killing all of the guys like whoa okay you are promoting yourself hard core and tips are all right you know that I reference this slide of dialogue a lot but I think this is the funniest place it's ever fit in the wrong man's when the guy is trying to pretend to be a white supremacist to fit in with a prison gang and he says it was actually a black man who shot me which is why I decided to become a racist racist I decided to kill the god it was actually a god who betrayed me which is why I decided to kill all gods this is why I became a racist very clever I've just come across this so a producer responsible yeah so a guy called Richie Palmer a production and development head all Marvel Studios Phase 4 project said that the main theme of Phase 4 is guilt and consequences and that Phase 4 is all a reaction so this is the quote when asked about it 100% cause Phase 4 is all reaction and I don't mean on our part as filmmakers I mean the characters it's a reaction to the trauma of Infinity War and Endgame we're still feeling those effects of these movies years later no? yeah oh and also this something we spoke to Elizabeth Olson about every step of the way that for her Wanda's full journey is leading to a moment of accountability and we think she's gotten there oh my god no what's your fools that's like everyone's biggest criticism there's no accountability for her they literally have a character tell her she doesn't need to stay for the police like geez okay by the way that is the intro scene that is the first few minutes of the film done we're doing really great you get the Marvel Studios logo they do a little bit of electric guitar because the idea that we're ramming in guns and roses throughout this film whether you like it or not I just want to say it's weird that you know how Wonder Woman 1984 there was basically no 80s quality to it I get in this the sense that they just bought the rights to the song and they really need to use it it doesn't seem to really try and they didn't have a mall yeah there was a mall but it's just sort of we got this song and that's sort of it in terms of its overall what it's trying to put out I don't know what it's supposed to mesh with or it's just sort of a song well so this is the thing about that mall part of it is a reference to how Stranger Things Season 3 was like how do we do 80s again I don't know this stuff this stuff and then they just base the whole story around a mall and it's like 80s what the funny thing is you know execute in the involvement of music well it's also a modern example that I would probably use to counter example fucking Thor in Stranger Things Season 4 um particularly famously virally more than one Kate Bush I was talking about Metallica but you could talk about that as well because they do it twice they do it well I liked Kate Bush before it was cool actually it was always cool she's very talented it's just the reminder that execution is everything and just because you play welcome to the jungle it's like oh I like that song yeah you do now you like this scene don't you and it's like no not really but if I close my eyes I can enjoy the music so then you might be like well then what are you supposed to do and it's like well you just take a decent amount of time to bind a very particular song to a scene a character's journey the way it's edited what events are happening maybe look at the lyrics see if you can bind that to more than just being like I like the song shut up Suicide Squad famous example oh yeah you get that throughout this film annoying and it's clearly relying bit like that to get through um so we get like a reminder of Thor's history from Korg he gives us a little commentary on like catching us up I guess if you if this is your first Thor film and right here already the movie started to piss me off just right out of the gate the first thing they show us is that his mom would take him into wars when he was literally a baby so stupid yeah because this movie's a bunch of fun it's a joke like yeah she's going to battle with a baby hanging in front of her and you just think okay so this movie is just gonna be not taking so seriously ever thing is like that could probably work if it were just on its own and we were getting that kind of thing where it's a bullshit society it's all absurd lol but like this is I can't help but like think about how like oh man a lot of his people were like annihilated because of reckless decisions in terms of how all this works that's his mom the one that got stabbed in the back and that's all it took to kill her she's just walking into a full on war with a baby strapped to her and I can't believe that it acts as armor I don't know it's just like that's just weird but okay it's fun it's fun everyone stop not having fun well to me like if you were to look at the first Thor movie and they would try to discuss oh Thor's child and everyone and someone proposed that scene that'd be just like are you retarded? you know they show him training even from a young age but with wooden swords more than likely or something like that it's just like okay many of your child into battle is an interesting first book end to this movie right when you say child people might picture like a 5 year old or something it's like no we're talking like possibly a newborn it's one of the most bizarre things like what are you doing because what's interesting is that and maybe it'll happen again apparently leading their child into battle or many children into battle that could happen in this film but the idea that what was that you were saying about the theme of phase 4 trauma and consequences interesting to hear that well no kids in a horrific battle situation they'll not get trauma from that why would you even buy such a thing why would that that's not gonna happen no it's fun we're killing it's fun we're killing it's fun and he found love a bunch until he met Jane where he fell super in love everyone remembers here and they show loads of clips from Thor 1 and 2 it's just kinda funny to be out of there remember her the idea that Thor 1 and 2 are actually important canonically to these films anymore like come on you shell over the whole type you don't care you don't give a shit it's something you can plunder the characters from those films right he shows the clips and they're solemnly presented quote unquote like the two of them getting along with each other holding hands and looking at each other longingly and it's like Thor was in love and then Thor starts to lose a bunch of stuff his mum his dad this guy I don't even know the name of this one while showing the warriors 3 getting killed what a way to just crap on those characters so the reason why I found that immediately frustrating is that was completely unnecessary he could have just said he lost a lot of people that he cared about he lost his friends you don't need to say who even is this guy thanks man I bet that was probably pretty traumatic for Thor to lose those people that he's been friends with for a long long time I guess it wasn't he never reacted to it I don't think we never even saw what he thought so yeah just mean spirited didn't sit well with me it never did in Ragnarok whenever I talked to Ragnarok I was annoyed that they just got wiped out in a scene a lot of this movie feels mean spirited but with this unfeeling kind of like what's the thing he said I'll ruin your mythos in a minute he just has this a lack of reverence to anything imagine you're like one of the actors who was one of those guys that's like oh that guy yeah man I'm a joke in this universe now I was like participant in those two movies like I was a character I was in them I guess Zachary Levi's alright he's he's just now but the other two guys oh well it clues up with him saying and he watched his brother die and then he died again and then he died again yeah isn't that funny isn't that hilarious go fuck yourself honestly especially after that the one with the warrior three you're just like oh this is what we're doing we're gonna keep doing that is that the joke isn't that thing that's horrible that happened funny though I don't know Taki you're pushing it I don't know how many people are gonna be following this like oh yeah when Loki had a life fucking choked out of him and Thor's crying it was just funny yeah well I guess cause he's back now because that's not the thing right I would be willing to accept that this narration was here if when Thor's relation to the to Loki was all treated very seriously right you know if Thor's grief was actually something that was explored and it was just like yeah Korg is telling this story and he doesn't take it very seriously I think you're right that the film doesn't take anything seriously ever is just well yeah so like it doesn't feel because it's so in keeping with the rest of the tone of the film it feels like it's simply Tycho with TT explaining how he feels it doesn't help that he's voicing the character yeah I was gonna say this really feels like Tycho's regard for it is I'm sure Tycho would say to us like we'll probably say like doesn't Loki have a TV show like you guys really upset that I'm making fun of someone who's not even dead that that Loki guy well so that's the thing I think he would just be like you guys gonna calm down it's all kind of nonsense anyway oh great you think you're a work of nonsense it's so weird because like how do you intend to generate anything meaningful if that's how you feel about all of the meaningful stuff I don't get it bit of a weird perspective but yeah they explain all that and then he just says like Thor got really fat and he teamed up with the Guardians and he tried to bury his sorrows behind all that fleshy bard and they continue to go on adventures and saving people but Thor just wasn't quite there yet he still there's something missing and they show like scenes of him crying while talking to our lord and then he like desperately tries to lose the weight and realizes that he's probably never gonna feel whole again and that something's missing and that he's just gonna wait for the I think they say something like he's gonna wait until someone says Thor we need you for battle it's just like which you might think is metaphorical or symbolic but I just want to say like so what they just covered sounds like a way better film unfortunately yeah keeps going on adventures saving people's lives with the Guardians but he's losing his like investment in doing so and he feels empty yep that sounds like a movie yeah sounds like a whatever he's bouncing back after they fat-thought him in Endgame I'd love to see that you know but we skipped all of that because we've got a different movie to show you and I wouldn't be as mad about it if we skipped it for something really cool yeah absolutely I would have made much more sense to have that before this movie just from a perspective kind of deal just having that development going before that and then all of a sudden we do this but better I'll keep it that way I guess it's like present what is happening it's like well there's a planet there on that's in complete distress they're under a big ol' war and Star-Lord is asking Thor to finally join the fight because he just won't and the Thor's like fine and already so the context here is immediately context people have been fighting people have been dying and he's been sitting there just meditating while this is desperate battle already waging that doesn't sound like Thor at all that's not good and then he's like alright let's go we have lives to save okay you can even commit to him not wanting to do it it's gonna be great and of course yeah we'll go over this as the scenes go on but Star-Lord is the only person who talks to Thor and it's only for about the next 8 minutes of film that the Guardians don't exist within it if you're gonna have one Star-Lord, if you're gonna have one Guardian talk to Thor, who would it be? Rocket if you're gonna do Star-Lord you're gonna need to get us the information of how they managed to get to be on better terms, right? cause they were starting up this thing of like they compete with each other a little bit, they clash but this is more so just Star-Lord awkwardly explaining to Thor how he's being stupid and weird yep I remember from James Gunn where he was like ah the Guardians are in safe hands with like Tiger with TD I find this quote kind of baffling considering how little they're in the film like the quote implies that there's going to be something happening with those characters maybe that's good, they're not in the film it is good because we read that by safe I guess I said from Tiger with TD that barely in the film what did he mean by this? well that's the funny thing Tiger would have been someone maybe at some point that I would have said is really good at tone balancing right now I'm like I wouldn't want to recommend him because of this film but James Gunn is another person that I would recommend for being really good at balancing those and I'm sure Guardians 3 is going to be maybe I shouldn't say that stop it, don't say it I hope it's good fuck me, that should be good right, come on please what even is it? underestimate Marvel's capacity to destroy destroy their own franchises because that's the one that a lot of people I know are like that's the last one if they fuck that up then I'm out that's the last one all this still has hope for from what I understand James Gunn gets freedom when he makes Guardians films I like the first two a lot so it's how you have freedom when he made Thor Living Thunder unfortunately probably seems like he probably did he probably had total carte blanche to do whatever he wanted I bet the time limit might have been the only thing they reeled him in maybe but I could totally believe that they just sort of let him do whatever you enter the fight you very comically ride Stormbreaker like it's a broomstick hilarious describe the jokes in this film and then you guys can talk about anything you want because I don't know what to say once I've described them just like well well I didn't laugh once at this film I don't even think I smiled at any of this it's just none of it worked for me just none of it worked for me and I thought Ragnarok was hilarious but none of this worked for me it's almost a chuckle and I wonder if they're the same because it was almost a chuckle for me at one point sorry that was one joke I liked you've already told me that it wasn't that one the other moment I liked that was a joke but I didn't like it because it was funny I liked it because I actually thought Thor's character and it was being like Thor rare you get what so we get the exposition basically this planet as it was fine but then their gods were killed oh and because the gods died they had no more protection and so there's a war now over the grand and important temple and they're desperate for people to help them and so you know without regarding Thor more because we will in a second you just immediately think like oh the gore killed these gods even though these gods were protecting their people yeah kind of awkward huh feels like feels like this is kind of what I'm getting at like gore you get split seconds before you just start being like hang on this seems like we need to account for this does it not it's like it now yeah we'll just keep stacking that up basically but yeah Thor sort of wanders in and he's just like he's seeing all these people shooting at each other and he's just like and then I think Rocket says I thought you said this was going to be a relaxing holiday and then Thor's like look at the horizon like as if to say it's like it's so beautiful and like it's just it's just so strange that Thor isn't more so invested in being like oh no people are dying you know he's just he needs to be funny now all the times all funny funny yeah and the sort of king whoever he is arrives and he's like thank goodness you finally joined our fight and Thor says you know what they say better late than never you know what if you were like there at the beginning to help you remember this being Thor's character at all what was this who he is what's happened no Thor is just a complete goofster his character is goofster and gaffster I think that's good part of what's frustrating is that they've established now that that's the thing that he would do but they've also haven't done it for dramatic purposes they're like isn't it funny that people are like dying and this is all happening and he just doesn't seem to give much of a fuck it's a big problem with this there is a particular joke that you get to that is very emblematic of this problem but like they can't help themselves if they see an opportunity for a joke they will tell it regardless of whether it makes sense for the character regardless of whether it's funny well yes there is no triage here of like jokes you know like where you you put you know you workshop him it's like the first thought was the only one you're like yeah like you know like if you're developing a joke and develop you know like you can build it up over time and you have an idea for a joke you want to tell a joke is when you're like well thought it made a mistake yeah I mean that is a joke in the sense that there is a structure there it's just not a very interesting isn't it funny how people have a trait that we would consider to be undesirable isn't that funny that's the only joke that they ever have but they don't do that as much for other characters where the joke is they're incompetent it's just the word yeah by the way Thor isn't really motivated until the guy tells him we used to exist in like a peaceful world and then our gods were killed and now we're unprotected and Thor's like alright then and it's like why didn't isn't that why you would have come here yeah like you would know this surely Thor anything about this fight he just knew that a war was happening but nobody ever told him why that was the first person who thought to ask him for help and he just waited until then and I'm trying to figure out what could be a more believable satisfying thing set up to explain why Thor wouldn't have joined in a battle at the very beginning thinking maybe he felt the Guardians would be able to handle themself but then you need to try and give him a reluctance that from all the things that happened in the past he would now be reluctant to actually go into battle the issue with that though to give that justice that's an entire arc in and of itself for him to overcome to actually get his first battle exactly and that would be to be one of the few ways you could try and justify this actual beginning setup in such a way that Thor doesn't come off looking like an absolute douche that doesn't care about people's lives and he could have been like Star-Lord coming to the Thor we really need to help and he's like I thought you said you could handle it it's like well obviously we can't we need you pick up the axe he looks at the axe reluctantly and it's a bit frustrated they have to do it again but again that setting up an entire arc of the film that obviously they have no care or consideration to even look at story about apathy maybe you like as he's going like they said would happen where he starts to especially the factor in the whole of death he's like is this all that life is like endless battle and that would be interesting he's actually getting tough because they said he's getting tired about all something like that in this setup if you tie in like he's become apathetic about life itself because of the fact that they all eventually die anyway and that this is a big long cycle with nothing change he is killed like a bazillion enemies and he's still getting dragged into fight combine that we saw who like hates the fact that gods become apathetic to their own followers it's like oh we've got something we've got something here we got it this is when you workshop your ideas so you start with your original idea but realize that there's room for development and refinement changes you workshop your ideas you don't just come up with an idea and go you know what that's good enough I got it sorted you see love is kind of like you know it's like oh well I guess we're jumping the gun love is the only tangible force in the universe that can you be detected through black holes or whatever fuck happens in interstellar that is true or whatever oh that'll be relevant pretty soon too I bet everyone's wondering how the fuck that could be but it will be so anyway he's like oh yeah it will be good about that the odds may be against us but this ends here and now and then he takes off his thing and lights up his like star lord is hyping this up he likes this oh yeah he's into it this will contradict with how it seems like the team feels about Thor doesn't that make you uncomfortable knowing that all the guardians at this point are in cover using the weaponry screaming trying to get through this war when Thor can end this war in like 10 minutes yeah I was about to mention this it feels really really uncomfortable and it's never brought up too cause they all just watch and he just kills them all in like 2 minutes and it's like oh wow they're even like kind of hype about it like yeah here he goes which would make more sense if that's how it always went but right now they should be like you motherfucker what took you so long yeah he just lightning and play welcome to the jungle and he just kills everything but then they do the part that if you follow me on twitter you will have known about they told him that that temple has been attacked it's taken from them and it's so important that that's what like the two sides fight over um the control that gods protected their coverage of it and you know I don't know more about it I don't even know if it's particularly virtuous that any particular side have it I don't know but at the same time the only information we have is that these creatures are attacking these guys these guys lived here their gods protected their home which was the temple very important and it looks incredible right like this whole place looks relatively normal alien land but this thing looks amazing in the middle of the fight Thor in order to defeat the enemies that are on top of this temple shooting at them he crashes through the entire thing in order to reach them it's completely unnecessary it goes completely against what he's been informed about with this but most importantly it goes against exactly how he's characterized his first movie if everyone can even think back to that fateful... that was a simpler time it was a while ago the fucking first big dramatic scene between him and his father and Loki is about how he's set to become the like ruler of Asgard but that he hasn't learned very important elements of being a leader he's strong and he can fight wars and stuff but he's like blood thirsty as well as being reckless and he's going to get more people killed than he'll save with his like war mongering and the Odin exiles him because that he's got to learn and then when we pick him back up in Avengers after he's learned all that shit from his movie he tells Coulson he's annoyed that he's even seen as like a great person or a great god same for his brother when they've caused nothing but fucking carnage for earth and he compares them to a particular animal that just rampages through not caring about how they get the things they want done done and it like perfectly describes him in this scene the thing is Tiger's not doing it he's completely and totally regressed to his... Tiger's not doing this to make a point about his regression he's doing this because it's funny isn't it funny that despite the fact that he won the war and saved the day he accidentally destroyed their big important temple as though you're in a china store and you know you help them out with this thing but you accidentally hit a vase with your ass and it falls on the ground and you go oops the inciting incident of Thor's first story and the MCU was him brashly going into battle without any regard for the broader consequences of his conduct because he's prideful a vein a greedy cruel boy a selfish boy I think and it's cruel you're a old man that's right look alright, Thor one's not great okay but it's got cool moments in it it has good things in it oh yeah which can't be said really for this kind of a lot of members of the cast are hot but we only take the clothes off one of them yeah doing things carefully and being a good leader and a king to a people they've tried to keep that going and even in Ragnarok I would give it to them but they're still there and we're still getting something but this just feels like I want to make a fun goofy movie with those doing all kinds of war fighting beating stuff up in a badass way to badass music and then he was like wouldn't it be funny by the end of the fight the whole point is to protect this like temple-y thing but by defending it he destroys it and then someone else oh man that would be whatever we do it so that when he shows I succeeded speech it's falling apart behind him that would be funny and he doesn't even acknowledge it and the other thing happens he does even acknowledge it so Flanders are going to be thinking about the house love films that's yeah what was his acknowledgement of it I can't remember so a little bit later he talks to the king Yakan again and he says hey so about the temple and then the king guy just goes please don't bring it up it makes me sad when you bring it up it's just so another joke yes it's another joke oh my goodness and then he keeps talking about it he just wants to talk about it even though this guy's clearly upset it's so odd there's such a clownish asshole in it of course just takes oblivious to the needs and feelings of others which wasn't who he was it's not all who he was it's so odd because he is now just completely gone like you could have argued in Ragnarok that he's progressed to a different area or at least maybe gone sideways to a different area but like the guy in Avengers, Thor 1, 2 and Age of Ultron is not the same just watch Eddie Ward the Seed from Thor Love and Thunder versus anyone seen of him in those he's like reserved careful interested and invested in the world speaking of Flanders I think an aspect of him that's being Flanderized is that he there were things about him that were stilted in terms of his oh you've heard that phrase right Ranks if I I don't know Flanderized is it's that Flanders as a character was a lot more interesting than he is now he was an actual character but like over the course of the show's history he got watered down to I'm like the super duper friendly neighbor guy without realizing he just wanted to kill his mom and he was evil if well so the point I'm making is I think that there were aspects that he didn't quite understand certain customs or adages, idioms like there were aspects of him that were a little bit fish out of water yeah not because he was an idiot but because he's from a different planet he just didn't understand but now it's like oh so like yeah he doesn't understand things that's who Thor is like he never understands like things about interactions or like how people feel like he's become aloof not aloof yeah it really needs to be stated it's super central to the whole movie but this film Thor isn't Thor is an idiot he's a loser he's a moron he's the butt of every joke he is if you like Thor you will hate this movie you will despise this movie this movie seems to have this the desire to make fun of Thor if you like more of Thor this movie hates you kind of it feels very mean spirited in many ways as we've discussed already but particularly to Thor who's just a loser because that's what Thor is he's a dumb idiot loser in that moment he doesn't understand what he's done yet the implication is that probably fucking Korg had to tell him destroyed their temple bro I wonder what he said about that yeah like and if we want to do our story about him becoming pathetic what if he's just like who gives a shit about this temple like who cares like that's his attitude I'm gonna save your life on you yeah exactly I'm gonna save lives not save temples or something temples can be rebuilt everything gets destroyed at some point yeah exactly if you try to give the old like Asgard is not a place it's a people thing and then they better respond to it very well they're like we're tied to defend that temple though they were people in that temple that's actually what really really gets me about this is that Thor has no idea who he might have killed by doing that because this film can't address that this ain't civil war we're not doing that nobody was in there okay it was totally fine and he knew that probably nobody in there probably there's a fucking war going on who knows how many like good guy soldiers there may be over there these bad guys have taken hostages exactly and yeah you know tyke would be like no no this is fun we're having fun I'm not having fun yeah to me I'm not having fun I'm talking about the civilians I don't thought to be a civilian killer and that's our because we've had gore introduced that is Thor introduced this is our marketing action to make sure the first off like five I was gonna say we needed trailer footage there is another character called Thor there is another character I mean we're basically dealing with two different Thor's so why not well no Mighty Thor is Thor and Mighty Thor Mighty Thor J you got yourself in trouble on quitter again we'll get there we'll get there there's a seed purpose built for this there is a seed purpose built it's almost like at that point the film ends and it's the director just like standing on the screen it's like alright guys come on just stop it the trailer for is it She-Hulk where one of the cards as a good buyer says you will like her oh yeah that's there's gotta be is there a Simpsons reference that you could latch on to that has to do with like indoctrinating somebody into like a perspective just telling them oh wait there was um you'll get nothing unlike it oh wait what fuck that was American dad right or was that that was family guy but they'd had the Star Trek the next damn it my references are getting confused I'm grasping for some sort of reference it's fine if you don't have one that's fine not everything has a Simpsons reference I'm sorry I hate to break it even I think the Simpsons is relevant to everything literally everything everywhere but sorry we'll press on well it's time to introduce our next main character I suppose because we've got Thor and Gordon so it's time for Mighty Thor being Jane Foster because everyone knows that's her role in the Star Trek trailer and therefore it's like where has she been since we last saw her and was like well she's got cancer the first thing you see is that she's having a scan and it's like oh okay and um we all talk forever about the different approaches they could have had with her and how they could have handled this story I think all of us could agree that if you're going to be taking this story you're going to be doing this then you're going to have to spend a decent amount of time justifying a lot we won't be doing that nope we just don't have the time to do that no yes it's almost like they skipped a movie in between you know feels well they skipped a movie in between the movie it might be worthwhile to lay this out now because this is kind of a this is what I was thinking before the movie came out a concern that I had which I'm sure would be echoed by many of you was we haven't seen Jane in a long time um and if she's going to be taking on such an active role in the story again you need to make sure that enough time is afforded to her and the story that's going on with her that um it's all fleshed out and works while also making sure that you have enough time to develop Thor and have his story be really fleshed out that's like a challenge in terms of just how do you use your time efficiently and effectively to make sure that both of these characters are set up well and have you know like a good story to tell for them um as we progress I think it will become very clear that this film does not use its time effectively no and both Thor and Jane stuff before it exactly and they don't want to address the actual seriousness and implications of what's actually happening properly like hey she is cancer you might be you want to address it with a little bit more well I don't know I guess we'll jump so the joke I presume it's meant to be a joke where it's like do you have cancer and then I think what Darcy says like stage four or like how bad okay if you want me to do I'll run through the dialogue if you want so yeah we sear in the machine then she comes out of it and I was going to say before we even have the Darcy conversation there is some hyper cringe and I only know how this works because this is how it always works first time we see a character like every single line of dialogue they have is going to be super important for telling us exactly what this kind of person is like that's usually what you spend your time on obviously gore and Thor both had their scenes they're both horrible in terms of really understanding exactly what the fuck is going on like how do they do with her well she's having a chemo she looks over and she sees the guy is reading her book she's like that was a teenage young guy wasn't it like from memory out of just thinking what's the likelihood of a young guy reading a book on what was astrophysics wormhole student right yeah that's alright my issues with this go different directions it's like you know he's just reading and it's all chill and the camera pans up and it shows her recognize that he's reading her book and she like smirks she's like hey I wrote that and it's just like who are you zap Branigan why is this happening all the tact of a wet bag of gravel it's so weird and the obvious instant suggestion because I was on open bar and this was said like immediately it's like why wouldn't you have it so that he recognizes her and goes wait are you Jane Foster and then she's like he's like oh I love your book but no you have her go excuse me I wrote that and I'm trying to remember her character from the first four movies because this felt out of character to me she doesn't come across as like very egotistical at all I don't know in other movies she was a bit more but they do well yeah because she needs to start a conversation about how she wrote that book whereas wouldn't it make sense that Jane isn't that concerned I guess unless you want to have a thing of like she's concerned about her legacy maybe because she's thinking about death like what mark can impact as she left on the world I would be ready to accept this is like I would be ready to accept this is a conversation that she struck up because it's like hey fuck it I'm probably going to be dead in a few months let's have a conversation with this random person however that's not where we go with her I think it is totally normal that if you write a book and you happen to be sitting next to someone who happens to be reading it I would engage with that person I don't think you need too much of a reason for them to do that at all the issue is how she goes about it and that they do is to do this this is what instead of the obvious are they all and so it's like so what are you telling me what you're telling me is that Jane is quite concerned at the moment with like recognition seems that way yeah and this is the thing I'm not even trying to be like bad faith or anything I'm just like what are you telling me with that happening it must be that right that she is looking for maybe recognition of a work as well because she hasn't got long theoretically so yeah you have that happen and then he's like oh I'm having trouble with I think he says the rosin bridge something Einstein yeah and so she's like oh I can explain it and she just like takes the book from him and instead of pulling up because of the dark video on wormhole she decides to destroy his book he ripped a page out of his book folds the paper and then says have you seen interstellar they made this a lot of like that it's the quote is have you seen interstellar that movie explains everything really well this is how I knew the film hated me personally yeah that's how we know that this movie is a work of fiction and then she says event horizon you know these you gotta see these movies because she's just yeah she's referencing when you fold the paper and put the pen through which they've done it so many times and so many things now that it's like you gotta lampshade the fact that you're copying other people's stuff so he's struggling with this which is apparently explained in the book her explanation is to fold over a piece of paper and stick a pen through it and he's like oh thank you now I understand which is yeah it's played off as a joke but how socially oblivious would you have to be to take someone's book and then rip out a page from it like it's felt so out of character for her maybe that page was really shit she was embarrassed the context of the first movie was Thor was the fish out of water who was a bit socially oblivious and she was noticing all the odd things he was doing and now she's in this position doing really odd things that a normal person just wouldn't do he's like okay she's a different character when he really likes he tries coffee and he really likes the coffee and he goes marvellous another and smashes the mug on the floor that's kind of the point I was making in the flanderising the interpretation is Thor's an idiot whereas what was actually happening was this is a sign of respect I don't know if this is part of my culture yeah and so now they're also actually making Jane look like an idiot in this scene as well funny right I guess it's funny that she's sort of frantically explaining what an Einstein Rosenbridge is with a piece of paper because apparently you need a 3D model even though you could just like draw it on like a page I don't know you can possibly draw a folded piece of paper I like that Kurzgesagt's video that's distinctly two-dimensional video where they talk about it you know what else is talking about the digital for me is the film no my god you could just have her explain it to him using her words because she wrote an entire book on the subject we're almost scrambling because there's so many dimensions how fucking dumb this is and especially from not just the person who wrote this but also for the character she's quite she's supposed to be intelligent the idea that she's like oh that part of my book is difficult to understand because I didn't explain it easily like I will with you now what why isn't that in your book yeah your book should have been a leaflet you sound like a fool not even a pamphlet a leaflet yeah like yeah but you see you need a 3D model to do this of course leaflets are smaller than pamphlets no I always just use the word interchangeably no they're different like a pamphlet you sort of open up but a leaflet's like a one little thing but a pamphlet I figured a pamphlet was like the overarching umbrella term and like a leaflet is simply a type of pamphlet I think they're often pretty much used interchangeably because they are so similar and they're used for similar purposes but I do think that there is a difference between a leaflet and a pamphlet technically in terms of a pamphlet kind of folds open and leaflets just like the thing that someone would hang on your door or put on your car windshield and fuck people who do that because then it rains and then all the shit from that leaflet sticks to the window underneath you don't do that don't do that go away I don't care I'm not coming to your fucking Baptist church go away leave me alone stop fucking with my shit I guess some of them might be worth noting by the way on this whole conversation about ripping out the book and everything it might seem pedantic but like these are kind of the things you need to think about when you're writing a story yeah it's um every character does characterizes them yes and you should think that with every line of dialogue that you write or every action that they take is that it will tell they chose to do this rather than anything else for some reason time is limited and so you could only have so much dialogue and stuff and this is what they chose to go with consider that something that seems really small can say a lot about a character's priorities or perspective it's his property and her book and she just tears a page out of it without giving a fuck about it like what what are you trying to tell me well that's that's kind of that's a good way to frame it what are you trying to tell me you chose to write this what are you what am I meant to pull from this I think that if I was reading the autobiography of fucking whoever and then I see them and then they tear a page out to make like origami I guess I would be like wow that's why did you do that why did you do that I haven't read that page yet it's such a fucking weird thing it's really hard to read your page someone in chat has pointed out it could be a rented college book it's like yeah can you give me like 20 bucks I gotta pay the fine yeah cause it's 20 bucks a page those things are expensive you'd have to replace the whole book well the joke I'm making is that the college rental books are very expensive like a million dollars per book nice he doesn't offer an autograph either it's so odd cause that's the more normal thing people do well cause cause she says like cause he's like you just like damaged your own book and it's like ah but see like you've got the Rosenbridge it's like yeah but now every time if anybody asks me I have to explain the full story about how I met you and I was confused about Einstein Rosenbridges and then you tore the book out and then put like a pen through the page it just feels like the thing he should say at that point is so why wasn't this in your book yeah see a funny joke what but I actually think because she has that little throw your line she was like yeah you need a 3D model and that's what he must think that you can't present that theory possibly present something like a Judy representation describe it well enough that somebody gets you know like in a novel when there's no imagery and it's just described in a way that displays an image because of good prose like you're a scientist reading a book yeah that you know is going to be read by people who aren't experts in the field like I'm pretty sure Stephen Hawking like wrote the books with the understanding that not everybody was going to be reading them has like the full background um that ends and then a conversation with Darcy starts I'm going to just read out the major points of it all at once and then we'll go through it because like you can tell when reading back this dialogue it's so it has a very specific purpose it's not about these two as characters nobody gives a fuck how's the chemo still not told anyone about this yet oh it's not that bad it's stage 4 that's bad you're trying to get back to the lab aren't you I know you think you have to do your lab work the whole civilization will be let down you have to use your energy to fight this you don't have to be alone you should play the space viking card at this point no I'll figure this out myself so like it's it's quick but they just get everything out that they wanted to just tell you as a writer they want to tell you this scene is finished now we may progress to next scene she's terminal and she's not spending her time fighting the cancer she's instead trying to help civilization with her work because she's such a virtuous person and simultaneously she now believes she can fucking cure cancer and that she's refusing to contact Thor as a way of like helping her and like it's barely longer than what I just said as like notes for the scene for the dialogue because they just don't give a fuck they're making these people say exactly what they need to say for you to have this information to move on it's not like sounds very sterile as well it's like well so I guess what was the because it was the it's not that bad and then Darcy says it's stage 4 out of how many stages oh yeah like we know of that one was real bizarre to me I guess I guess I was just that one kind of perplexed me a little bit I'm like I man okay like you know it's I just don't believe I just don't believe you wouldn't call Thor like if you have that kind of connection if we if we're trying to tell about her that she wants to help all these people do you want to get healthy as fast as possible so you can help more and longer something that is worth addressing and I guess we are going further ahead a little bit seems like the point of this scene is Jane doesn't want to leverage her connection with Thor to save herself if she's gonna live she wants to do it like you know through I guess scientific earth based means quite a thing to convince me that somebody wouldn't do that well so I mean regardless right if you establish that seems to be her priority it would really undercut that have her then use the Viking card like five minutes later immediately don't know why you said it because that doesn't happen it might be less than that maybe in this hypothetical we could be looking at literally 10 seconds from what it said that would be insane I don't know what you would say that one of the things impressions I had in just the fact that she has cancer I was just wondering with all the technological advancements this universe supposed to have they have advancements in technology that makes people enhanced there's ways to people become you know super humans on multiple different levels of stuff I was wondering what can't actually be cured at this point in that universe I'm happy to accept that it hasn't been enough I am if we think about what tech we've got to make use of it was actually mentioned in chat already you've got the refined extremist technology from Iron Man 3 then you've got the regeneration cradle from Age of Ultron you've got the freezing capabilities that Wakanda have which basically just put you in stasis and then you've got Wakanda in general which probably have cured cancer they can claim they haven't but those fuckers I don't trust them they're hoarding everything they're assholes from nanotech to super soldier serums there's so many techs well I think you guys are forgetting one very important aspect which is also you have to remember that in this kind of crazy future space place they have ways to give you more advanced kinds of cancer than ever before they have super cancer in this world as well so sorry it's Wakanda cancer it's kind of curable just to balance it out with their cure for normal cancer from the snap the energy release created a new type of cancer so called called infinity cancer the old cancer was cured but the new cancer is the whole universe if I could remind everybody they have little bracelets that can make it so that if you're shot in the spine you'll be fine yeah the Wakandan FBI kills anyone who discovers the cure for cancer it's hard to believe because of everything being so out of whack but apparently she doesn't even contact anybody except Eric Selvig and her local hospital presumably I don't know but yeah it is hard to believe but it's just like that should be on the lower rung of will building problems no the higher rung but it is on a lower rung well like I said one random student now knows she has cancer and well even even if we were to say okay they haven't cured cancer I was thinking would the Asgard have that technology to cure it and it shouldn't be that difficult but it seems like no they don't even have that ability and you could try and justify it while the Asgardians are immune to cancer they had the research to find out but they're very advanced though I wonder if the implication of something much later on in the film is that she would have had a possibility of surviving had she not made a certain choice and stayed in a place that might be a sort of newish Asgard in which case that has more implications on what kind of crazy technology Asgard is hoarding in newer Asgard that they're not sure about to me that doesn't make sense because the choice she does she makes was for the first reason was to get rid of the cancer and they only discover through the course of the film when Thor says it that actually it's not doing that it's actually not curing your cancer it's doing the opposite we'll just slow it down no she hasn't told Eric she said no she did say no to having told anyone else but Eric is on a phone call saying I'm sorry there's nothing we can do but yeah the treatment is very little effect I think he says yeah and so yeah we have that that ends and then she's like paces back and forth in her room sits down and then looks over and she sees her little books on I guess Norse mythology opens one up looks at the page and it's Mjolnir and then it starts scanning around random words and it says provides like great strength and health great health it's parody levels again it's like wait the first book you grab the first page you open the first couple of words you read it's specifically about how Mjolnir can restore you which we will put a giant flag in what I just said Mjolnir will restore you that's the theory yeah and so fuck it we're going to New Asgard and it's funny because it's like oh god we're at 20 minutes into the film it's simultaneously feels like we're gobbled and rushing but we're also like the time is taking away but we also jump on some of the leaps of logic that Jane would have had to have reached to reach that decision this isn't Asgard has great technology they might be out of q-my cancer this is hey Mjolnir maybe I could pick it up even though there's been no indication oh it's well yeah at first it's destroyed maybe I'll be out of repair or something and then once it's fixed maybe I'll just be able to use it those are multiple massive leaps and assumptions that she's making for the like and then maybe that will fix my cancer issues like that's your that's your first thought like what about just Asgard technology or anything they show Valkyries and Old Spice ads I guess I really care she finds being I thought by the way that well I guess we'll keep going keep going oh shit and this is gonna be a topic for sure we're showing a montage of things she's doing she has the grand opening of a new store called infinity cones with an assist gauntlet oh this is the first this is this one universe that's like akin to the holocaust ice cream I like how everyone just goes to the holocaust of course an accurate yeah because it's just such a natural accurate comparison I prefer like the 9-11 waffle house but like it's you know it's pretty simple just in case it needs to be well in 2018 Thanos slaughtered half of the Asgardians half of them and they never came back because the snap came back and even if they had but anyway about four or five years later like five six years later in the timeline they create a ice cream store themed around the man responsible for slaughtering half of their people yeah just to be clear this would be equivalent to like the holocaust waffle house in like France in like 19 more specifically they would have Hitler as their sales avatar when I was talking about this with someone I chose Thanos's gauntlet and not Tony's yeah just about to say that as well it's insane like why what are you doing there is a few obviously this is really this is really dumb and there was a part of me that thought was so funny like you thought it was such a great pun it's like a stupid meta jokes like oh people know about the infinity gauntlet we're gonna put that in there because people like that I didn't say it was funny I'm just trying to say it's like we're just gonna do this I was angry we're just gonna but I was angry me too when I saw it I was angry too but it's just like we're just gonna put this in here as a quote unquote funny joke without realizing what we're going for and being tone deaf as fuck well there are some houses to this okay let's get the main one out of the way the best argument I think which is that I know a lot of you are gonna be unaware of this so I'll just do it as quick as I can it was an incident in 1977 sorry there's a guy who bumped his head on a wall in a particular movie I need you guys to understand this so that you can set the baseline things can be silly okay that's the argument that's your best one fuck alright that's great die the next what I guess we'll say is isn't this supposed to be like parodying how corporations will very tone deafly use events to try and make money without realizing how insensitive it is we gotta remember the real time remember when Burger King released their line of fucking like just last month they released their Roe v. Wade sandwich like no this isn't something they do yeah companies have their limits this is not something companies would be stupid enough to do they might in the boys universe which could be funny because that's like kind of the point is that it's an exaggerated version of something that's pretty fucking exaggerated in our real life but part of my problem with this is that it's organized and set forth by Valkyrie personally she's not some soulless corporation well you mentioned yourself you mentioned that second argument there and what I thought this film was going to do with Valkyrie and the cause she's in the suit and she's doing the old Spice Ad and she's got infinity cones and it looks like new Asgard is becoming this really big tourist attraction and it's getting super commercialized I thought what the film was going to do was that's a bad thing I thought it was gonna say that this is bad Valkyrie's lost her way this isn't how Asgard should be treated there should be some reverence to it there's been a terrible tragedy that you're kind of capitalizing on now I thought that is the route that the film should be taking I was wrong no it's just a throwaway joke they were probably sitting in a room and they're like infinity cones and they're like what if it were Thanos and all but holding an ice cream it's a pun it's a pun it's not a good one and you didn't think about what it would mean in this universe to these characters but if we were like hey let's come up with a pun based on the events of the MCU it feels like maybe one of the first two or three we would shit out yeah yeah this was a huge like oh wow we certainly wouldn't put it here considering the Asgardians have a particularly personal reason to not want to specifically Thanos personally being on the ships after the tragedy of Ragnarok going around killing people it's doubly bad for the Asgardians to do it it's bad for everyone to do it it's doubly bad for the Asgardians to do it in this way yeah for any of you confused with that they didn't just get snapped they got snapped again uh sucks half of their people are coming also also we don't know how many people are hella killed in Asgard before they got to escape and then they you know there's smaller numbers there yeah hella got a lot of people that I was understanding in the context just because of the amount of people that were on that ship afterwards versus the population of Asgard it almost is like over 90% of their people were wiped out by hella if that's all that's left of their entire population something that uh you can think about with regard to that is how do Asgardians feel about going from this insane opulent golden city in the sky to living in a small port town like in Norway I wonder how like the Asgardians feel about their society yeah sure Asgard is a people but like our people have been annihilated we've we used to make steel dammit well it's just you know we used to be we I don't know we used to be worshiped as gods we were so impressive someone in chat was already recommended a better pun infinity scones is better they're right sorry continue it's a better pun yeah infinity scones is is a better pun but nevertheless this is a joke that is not worth it I'm not I'm not highlighting that oh they should have done this instead it's like oh no no no they should have done this instead it's like no they did the bare minimum they did the bare minimum yeah the joke is incredibly shit but it's not even a good version of the shit joke that it would be if it was if they put effort into it not only that they had to go out of their way to make it offensive in context you could have something maybe associated with the infinity stones but putting it on Thanos's infinity gauntlet exactly it was Tony's gauntlet we would now be having like a conversation about yeah we would yeah okay this could be a celebration of Tony's victory of destroying the armies of Thanos yeah we're gonna remember the stones for the good that they did in the end not the evil that they did it but even then that'd be the thing of like are we really gonna commercialize yeah exactly of trillions of beings as opposed to we're gonna use the gauntlet that was nearly used to blow like Thor's head off after all of our people had been killed well half of them anyway and I guess the other half would just allow to escape yeah I don't know it's just it's a really it's not a it's not a particularly strong piece of comedy and it seriously hurts the the world building yeah it hurts and Valkyrie signs off and it unreleases it it's old just that wouldn't happen nope well yeah that's why I thought the whole point would be that she learns to be a better leader because she shouldn't be commercializing this kind of stuff and the film just says no it's just a joke lol Valkyrie is really weird in this movie anyway though like they're all really weird in this movie sorry Valkyrie fans also Thor fans also everyone fans of everything really fans have done okay the biggest disappointment that they have is that the Guardians just you know they escaped yeah they barely had any lines yeah we're kind of especially in retrospect because we were still you know fresh in the movie at that point I'm super glad they were barely in this movie I was just every time I saw like the guy who got married to that blue chick I was like oh I remember you from the Guardians movies you're I kind of like you I hope oh you didn't that's fair somewhat of a minor character like I don't I don't think I can't I can't remember his name but I remember the character and wait when yeah have we we haven't we haven't gone past the Goats yet right or do we we didn't skip oh yeah we did go no wait no we haven't we haven't oh we haven't I got you we haven't someone in chat said that it says beef up 192 in the thumbnail it shouldn't does it wait it showed up as the right yes it does I've currently got this thumbnail it's just 192 that's very strange because this is what it's showing up as for me wait no it's showing 194 for me yeah 194 for me I haven't seen anything since you started you too oh yeah oh yeah because you're like okay for the conversation for me that we had about the thumbnail at the start it was like because that one worked too jay jay wait jay we need to have a conversation right now are you using are you not using dark mode oh no oh my god what a cake cake we got 192's 3's and 4's what the fuck's going on oh no we're talking about at the start of the episode hey do you think this image works it doesn't work it literally doesn't it's broken thanks to you too it's broken so when I said what do you think of the thumbnail jay did you see what it's supposed to be there or did you see vader well okay what happened to my head was like everyone was saying oh that's funny it's not from thought love and thunder but it's funny and I was like I don't really get it so I'm just not gonna I guess I don't get the joke I think I said that it was like reflective of like some sort of deep seething like resentment for the film the point I was trying to make was it was hyper cringe and embarrassing not that it made me like super angry but yeah no they technically both of them work yeah I do like the face is great that's why I chose it it is an excellent face I wanted you to hang on Harold's name right yeah hide the pain Harold hide the pain Harold I don't know it's youtube's end then it's not me if plenty of people have seen that not actually there I can easily work quick I'll be right back just press the thumbnail and play return I'll fight the pain Harold he's great but that's how I feel about this film so anyway yeah well by the time rags will be back we'll still be talking about this we have the play yeah it's not as funny this time and it goes on a little too long I think it takes forever and of course we do have Arden as part of the tour the original play the original play in Ragnarok served a purpose in the plots this one is just hey you remember the play wasn't that funny right my feelings exactly shared yeah because the one in Ragnarok was this is the way that Loki has chosen to present um a fake death yeah it's informing a lot and of course his own reactions to it while pretending to be owed and it's like multi-layered in terms of what you can pull from that and it's also a lot shorter too that's like a really good example this one is just isn't it funny how poor and shoddy this little amateur like play that these guys are putting on in whereas the other one told us something about character this one seems to be the goal that is like how funny is it that you saw this scene in a high budget and now we're doing a high budget but low budget thing and also you didn't have the because it was the choir singing the actual music from Thor the Dark World for the choir while he's screaming door to the heavens you put a lot more effort into that one Loki as Odin mouth some of the words as well hey guys I didn't do it for him it implies obviously that he's had a huge hand in making this thing yeah which then you know it's just like so it's not that it was put on by force even though it's shit because Loki has an ego this is this is something that they are invested in doing how Asgard is being presented what happened with Loki and of course it's all bullshit like Loki's right there yeah so yeah there's a bit cringe unfortunately mm-hmm yeah but it definitely would be a part of the overall argument for how this is like see we're doing Thor Ragnarok again you guys like that it's like yeah but we'll even begin it's super cringe I hate it I hate it so much Harold moment they do their big bow as though the play was over you guys were saying to me anyway right like yeah that's if you go to the theater that's what they do what it ends yeah that's the thing is the end all of the actors come out and they take a big bow and everyone's coming the end what see here's the thing it's like this it's like we have to remember is that this movie is shit what from top to bottom they can't they don't know how plays work and they put plays in their film Tyke has never gone to a play apparently no I think I think that he just didn't think about this I think he was like yeah this is the right point no and I think that I think that he knows how a play works I just think he wasn't invested in making this play work that's fair he might have not even realized how dumb it is remember we're giving the context for why meal near got destroyed because then we the next the literal following event is that the destroyed pieces of meal near about to be relevant to something so it's almost like a quick recant in case you forgot that she destroyed meal near which is such a weird position to be in at this point like I hope they remember that's how that happened like yeah I don't know do you even need to tell us how it got destroyed as opposed to the information we need which is that meal near is currently in pieces we need to know why that's happened when you're just trying to tell the stakes of your story as opposed to making sure people understand you know I mean like we don't do it we don't do a Kenobi and give you a previously on all the Marvel films before this one remember that do you guys remember how could I forget how could I forget you don't need much to establish that you know meal near is in pieces you just show it right there there it is we know we have the information thank you so yeah Jane yeah okay I want if you guys got the streamer that to me doesn't seem like even remotely enough pieces to make up meal near there is the the two issues I have with this yeah the depiction has two odd aspects which is that doesn't seem to be enough to be a hammer's worth that is not one meal near is worth of fragments no and two there's no way they all just fell right there no they maintained the gag that they would have cut the soil out of the ground to travel this thing places that wouldn't work either wouldn't it I don't know I get if you pick up the table it's resting on because what I get from this is they they they ask Thor hey can you bring your piece of meal near over here so we can exhibition on the fucking hammer and please don't try to repair it because that's definitely not gonna work I phrased it like it would be definitely it would have been repaired by now if he could just repair it exactly so he just so I guess he just oh yeah just put it here over a little glass cone and people can watch it make it fight I can't be the only person who thinks that it's weird that the grass size and the bubble size are are two different like diameters you know that's strange to anyone else that's strange right fine wait I'm not sure what you're referring to to be I'm referring to the thing isn't as big as the grass itself oh yeah why would you have why would you have make the dome the glass specifically what is it like is it like a border around it I get to yeah yeah like there's clearly grass outside of the bubble but outside the bubble yeah no that is weird yeah it is weird it's strange that you would make it like that it almost is as if they they had done their prop work and they forgot to coordinate and then they show up on set and put the glass on it's like ah shit it doesn't even look like it's sealed just looks like it's just popped on there just lying on there like a cheese platter just put the dome over the cheese platter but it's a hammer now we talk again about how we've had a couple of you've had streams or things here in their streams whatever we just talk about like oh what is the potential of trying to get Jane to Thor sort of thing and it's like we've had one scene saying she has cancer and she's going to Asgard you're like alright that's a star I guess it starts to reform in front of her immediately because reasons there's no real explanation they try it because you know we'll get there we'll get there and that's not as vital this film has extremely bizarre pacing the speed at which things happen I think this is where the first time it became super duper apparent to me that this film is just bam bam bam scene scene scene there's no room things just happen very in a very quick consecutive sequence I guess but there's just the pacing of this film is so strange boom she went to Mjolnir it reforms it's done that's it it's over it's finished it happened done very strange very odd but this finally brings us to the goats right well yeah so this is actually the moment where we were talking about that temple dialogue comes from where he was just like oh yeah bad Dan he's like don't talk about it it makes me sad so a gift for those who do great work for our people whatever to reward you with these creatures and they give you very large goats they yell they scream they scream and the first time I don't know it got me I can see how someone would laugh at it the first time I could see it it didn't do it for me but I could I can understand it see the guy who was sitting next to me in the cinema he fucking loved those goats they laughed so much every time they popped up I was like shop off it's not funny anymore I think it would have been okay had he not used them 7000 times yeah so I kind of want to I way prefer Thor's reaction to the goats to the goats being there right as in you see these goats and they're just loud and they're screaming and they're just giant fucking goats and then Thor goes wow those are wonderful and you're like yeah I like that I really like that that seems like the Thor I know and love that he sees beauty in those just massive weird creatures I'm gonna take your silence as agreement and move on sure Jay A I agree he's like oh man they scream a lot and then Thor's like it'll be fine and then it cuts them screaming while on the guardian ships that's just they're all like panicking chaotic of this dreaming and just like yep alright I guess that would be what I meant and then it doesn't get any worse and then you see Nebula say I'm putting them down and she gets a gun out and Thor tries to knock a gun away from shooting them she fires and it bounces until it hits Korg in the face um I don't know just feels a little awkward it's all obviously slapstick but like it's weird that she shot someone in the face inside the ship and no one seems to really mind well they say are you okay and he's like yep I'm okay like yeah that should probably be a little bit more shocking but alright that's just something that wasn't someone else who would have died from that that's good then we get another classic joke where Korg says I'm pretty sure that these things like respond to a certain kind of whistle and he goes which is not something the gift givers would explain and he's just like huh I can't do it how about you try to mantis and then she just goes and so you sort of sit there for a moment like oh the joke is the joke is that she thinks a whistle is making a weird noise I misinterpreted that I just thought that was the strange sound that they liked and she could just do it yeah I have the same interpretation maybe that is it that's how good the jokes are in this film we'll get the actual sound later at my home that's what confused me later but at the time I thought that's what the joke was because that the sound that they respond to was that weird noise and she just makes it and it's a funny noise and that's literally what the joke is out of sync with this movie's jokes like with Ragnarok it was just one after another of me like fucking losing it but with this movie I was just like oh that oh that was the and then we have another one where Graglin enters the ship and he's like this is my wife and then they're like what you can't be married again you can't marry every time we're on a different planet and I was like oh I guess he does that there's an interesting little mini arc that I had with because I like him as a character from the Guardians movies and I want things to work out okay for him because he's been through a lot you know he's he's got Yandu's thing on his head and he's been practicing with it and he's still around and I really really I want things to work out well for him and I'm like oh god I hope that already I'm like I like you as a character I want you to get the fuck out of this movie you need to be gone you need to escape I hope I never see you again in this movie you need to be gone they're gonna ruin you and destroy you and then after I profess that I really like this character and I'm happy that he found a wife and they're gonna go off and do a planet maybe have a wonderful life together they're like you get married on every planet and I'm like oh oh well but that's the long and short of it that is the joke isn't it funny that Craglin gets married on every planet it's like that all you got yeah that's all we got and that's what I mean like you like joke joke joke we just had a bunch of them and all of them like all right so anyway back to plot they check out their distress signals and there's a common theme with them being that the god butcher is killing a bunch of gods like oh dear and then they're skipping through and Sif is in one of them and Thor's like whoa whoa whoa play that one and she's like Thor where are you we need you and yeah don't skip over that one and he's like to me just to cut in like their reactions of all the other gods felt very like unruly like this should be something quite serious there's someone who's going around killing gods that's a big threat they're like we don't really care until we find oh now we get you know the message from Lady Sif so just felt very underplayed and underwhelming and if I'm supposed to get invested in the plot I'll need the characters to care a bit more and they just don't give a crap I agree this should be catastrophic for the universe because gods aren't given the name gods because they're irrelevant to civilizations you know like it's like oh these are literal gods in our universe of the Marvel fantasy sci-fi shit and they're getting systematically taken down serial killer style wow and then the part that bothered me more so though was just the fact that we see the Sif thing and he's just like ah my friend is in danger we must go where were you for the past however long when have you checked in on Asgard or any of your friends have you checked in on the avengers have you checked in on like Sif for example no and then you declare to the screen like I must go because my friend is in danger it's like that's not you anymore man no fans and then he pulled the fans to be honest then he proves that's not him because he has a device that can take him to Sif instantly and he doesn't use it for another about 20 minutes because he wants to talk about his feelings with star lord there's no urgency not in like an important way you need to get star lord I'm going to save before I go in case I don't make it back or something like it's not nothing like that it's like hey it's like hey bro I'm just going bro and he has no urgency at all for the life of his friend who could be in the balance it's like oh yeah I'm starting to wonder what you're trying to tell me because you've clearly shown his actions to be the complete opposite of what he just said is that on purpose or you just incompetent it's the kind of energy that I would expect him to have if he'd been like hanging around at someone's apartment and then he's just realized hey I think they might actually be like kind of tired of me being here I might go oh yeah that's definitely something you get an impression of it's kind of weird because yeah yeah like they wouldn't believe it's which is not what we were going for I don't think for the potential of combining Thor with the Guardians infinity war like gave you a taste of it and then this film made you want it to never happen ever again I was also confused by the timeline like how long has Gorbin doing this and then he could have fucked on of gods already and no one get and no one gave a shit well yeah and the only survivor of the recent war is one of Thor's best friends yeah what are you kidding genuinely right I want I want to try something I want everyone to make that best guess of when the like the pre-title sequence the gore like origin story sequence like how many years or months or weeks whatever measurement of time is that scene before the movie I want you all with that number in your head and then I want you to guess yeah no you must you must I think well if I must I would say at the least most reasonable amount of time it would need to be post end game and I'm thinking a month you got the sword and then he's been killing gods for a month and that's when they get the alert something along the lines of god it's got to be more than that right I don't know cause I was thinking anywhere between like six months and a year if TycooTT told me it was ancient history I'd be like okay yeah I don't know if this movie the events of this movie could be a week they could also be years it's I have no idea the passage of time in this film is a mystery you have no sense of time because I don't know how the sword works specifically if I'm to if I have to assume what the sword does he gets it and then he I would have to pause and think about this like how does gore travel between realms and planets and stuff because he teleports the shadows by the way they don't do anything with that which is a shame oh yeah that's the really cool thing that you could potentially do stuff with it's never we need to stay away from the shadows we need to turn on all the lights we need to you know something that could be there's one move that he does in the middle of a fight that's kind of neat that relates to that we can talk about when we get there yeah we can talk about it later cause there's some potentially it could have been really cool could have been but it's not yeah I don't know I would assume like years I don't know three years minimum but it's also all dependent it's dependent on what the sword actually does does the sword immediately lets him use all his power so does he have to figure that out cause he's sorry they say he's cursed as a result of this thing there's gotta be a timer on that I wonder what that is there's gotta be a timer on that yeah it's true so yeah that's my best guess I would say like something three years cause I'm also considering how many gods he apparently killed already uh yeah well all walks outside star lord follows him up and again cause like for some reason star lord is like the only one that really has stuff to do here for the guardians he has like a heart to heart where he basically says like Thor you're you seem to know who the hell you are just by thousands of years of living and it's kind of just like hmm yeah this ain't sitting right like the big confusion right now being does Thor actually care about people I'm not sure and when you say you don't really know who you are are we talking like we don't have any elements anymore not even like a couple of traits that you know are true but figuring out the rest I don't know um they imply that Thor's basically broken because he's lost a part of himself that he can't fill but he doesn't want to fill it back up again because of the fear of loss and then they try and find a way around saying it but you know and that's fine but star lord says like the bad feeling you get of like a thing going wrong is better than nothing so you gotta go find that like better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all sort of idea like a phrase that they try it's like the most clunky weird way to say that famous phrase that everyone should that everyone's kind of aware of well and because I'm pretty sure he says like I have loved and lost and now I keep people at arm's length and he lifts his arm up and he moves closer to him to make him at arm's length and it's like you're kind of cheating again you're doing it with a joke but you're telling us exactly what Thor's current set is regarding just connection basically instead of showing us through dialogue or actions like I keep people at arm's length because I don't want to love again because I don't want to be hurt like oh that doesn't really account for the whole doesn't care about saving people's lives that much and I don't even know if that's a point that I was trying to make or not I don't know was that Thor's line where he keeps people at pay yeah he lifts his own arms up and says I keep people at arm's length and he walks towards Star Lord to put them at arm's length which is like you know funny I guess it's like opposite of what he's trying to get across but because that to me doesn't play out with what the film is showing because he's been going with people he went with the Guardians of the Galaxy when Star Lord is trying to say when you have a family and he kind of puts his head awkwardly in the way what's he doing right now he's going to go and save Sif because he cares about it okay so yeah you get a bit of mixed signals like before we can think about it they start running in loads of jokes he's like you know what we've become too close you guys you have to go and then Star was like well we were going to go anyway he's like you can take this ship she'll serve you well and he's like oh you're letting me have my ship he's like you can even look after the crew they're a good crew and then yeah because Thor's a moron yeah yeah and Nebula's like let's go and it's just like man he's just a kid stupid kid that's like the whole joke the joke is like yeah he's a stupid idiot it's he's vain and he's stupid that's it he's vain we want to like yeah well here's how we're becoming less vain and just to finish it off I guess then they all get in the ship they're leaving and he starts saying like you know good good luck go forward by Odin's rave and I'll see you in and they just go they teleport through the little pole thing he goes oh they're gone they can't resist I wouldn't like him either he sucks once again the Guardians doing what's right saving this movie with the correct opinions getting out of the film as quickly as possible I got out of it so that I couldn't be destroyed remember this one of the things I just forgot he's like no let us handshake and he's like human handshake now as guardian handshake now the snake phrase you like and then he has guardian and Stalin just goes like wow you're really dragging this out aren't you and like why would you even have that dialogue when that's all your joke has is for us to actually say that ourselves you know this is interesting they chose to keep that versus two other hours of footage that they chose to cut I'm just thinking how bad must have been those other two hours if this is what you chose to put in it might have been great except Tika is just really bad at selecting the quality from that quality he might have legitimately made some good stuff but he was completely incapable of differentiating the wheat from the chaff um is there anything else about that scene this next scene that we're about to talk about was probably my most disliked scene of the whole movie and I I hated this I can already imagine why yeah this one is where I said there's already scenes that annoyed me above me I was just are you kidding me so I'll give I'll just frame it and you can take it away if you want he goes to the planet sif was on he spots a giant dead thing and says that's the god of the alligarians I think it is and he says the nicest god you'll ever meet which I was like nicest god you'll ever meet the gore is another god that gore is killed that's not a bad person I guess it's just weird that you keep telling me this okay I'm sure it's going somewhere it'll be fine he's not just killing the baddies he's killing all the goodies even the ones that actively if they are killed their people will have worse lives for it which seems antithetical to his goals but he's corrupted okay anyway you find sif um do you want to do you want to just talk about it yourself I guess I'll try so to me this scene almost encapsulates the disservice and insult that this entire film is where this scene should have had weight there is something important here there is a relationship a past between these two characters thought it should be concerned and it is entirely played off as a complete joke and not only that they actually it's like they went out of their way for the acting to be bad that where sif is like no leave me I shall go divide just a tone even the way that they're talking and they talk about her potential death and then no no we'll subvert that with another joke oh you actually have to die in battle to go to Valhalla see if it's like damn it and there is no seriousness what does she say I can't she says she says a naughty word she says shit oh well I don't say naughty words or I try to avoid them and I got close my goodness it was just so unsatisfying I found it so insulting to her character the past the relationship what the tone should be for the scene and I was just like oh I said yep this is it this is not gonna be the film I can't alright fine I know sorry that's like the end of sif in the film she only shows up again for like 10 seconds right at the very end yep I don't understand why you would bring the character back to do nothing with her it is strange you got her back and everything and she's just virtually not in the time that she was there you took her arm and you established that she doesn't even understand her own like culture since what like since 2013 that's like 10 years ago in the timeline more than that even and like what is she doing here why is it that she's the low survivor I don't know it's funny that she doesn't get to go into her Valhalla but her arm will oh that annoyed me so much your arm is in Valhalla and it's like she almost died she could be dying right now but let's just no arm and also like to me her character is also just they were indicating that they might have explored something with her with her relationship with Thor she might have been a love interest and they decide alright screw it all completely forget about her and to me she she was a much better love interest to me than Jane was I was like yeah do something with her she seems a bit cool there's a bit more there that I could enjoy but no they decided we'll forget about her and then just get rid of her out of the kind of Thor story as a joke in the end and it's a little bit odd right you've transplanted aspects of Sif onto Jane to make them more compatible rather than just developing a relationship with Sif who already existed it's an odd choice I guess you were constructing a joke we've talked about this so many times you've established a mechanic in the middle of your joke to make your joke work and that is if you don't die in battle you don't go to Valhalla it's like okay alright we'll make that in stone now I mean I guess we'll have to forgive the fact that Sif doesn't know that or which is just unreal but whatever um didn't you just remind us how Odin died do you tell him that Odin is not in Valhalla even though he is of course he is yeah it's just a bit like oh okay um see hmm I don't know uh Loki made it but Odin didn't alright whatever that's fine well maybe it's not maybe does it count as a battle battle is over he's just got choked out afterwards he's battling Thanos he tried to stab him yeah but he didn't go to Valhalla just dead until he wasn't anymore filming season 2 right now how exciting so we get our second gore scene and this is actually what I'm referring to where it's just like wait what so before we move on I just wanted to find out did anyone else feel that the acting by Sif and Thorin that was purposely made comically bad did anyone else get their impression told to exaggerate exactly yeah it's like almost like they were doing the performance of the skit from Ragnarok like the actual play of Loki's fake yeah it was like that it was like that but then this is supposed to be a well no it's not even supposed to be a well it should be serious it should be very serious yep so she tells him like oh good thing you know that I would have survived and I was involved in this battle because his next target is Asgard so like I need you to understand how fucking lucky that is Thor is going to go to Asgard now to defend it from Gore's attacks meanwhile like had she died had she not been there or had the next target not been Asgard and had been Asgard ages ago Gore would have just how did she find out did Gore actually say when Gore was slashing all these people down he was like ah my next target is Asgard ah my next target is Asgard it's like a lot of bad guys do that it makes sense ah yeah definitely yeah it does absolutely and you know it's not even find Asgard do you know where Asgard is because that's where I'm going alrighty yeah so he turns up to fight on Asgard because that's where I'm going and the thought I had when I was in the old cinema was like hmm this is where we can finally get interesting because you'll have to like Thor can't get killed instantly like the other nice gods have been apparently and so Gore might actually have to deal with the fact that he's dealing with gods that actually help their people um so you know what interest can we get out of that but he doesn't go and attack a god he starts to summon an army of spooky creatures and I was like what it's assaulting the civilians basically all of the citizens of Asgard start getting attacked and killed by these things and that is so like wait that has nothing to do with what you told us his motives are if anything he should be sympathetic to these people and like as far as I'm concerned his second scene the first couple of seconds into his second seed he's just completely broken now and you have to conclude that Gore isn't a character with a consistent goal he's just I don't know an avatar for the sword and the sword just hates stuff and things see the reason that they have him kidnap the children is for his larger plan going forward he's attacking them oh okay it's almost like kidnapping the kids was an afterthought it does seem that way and I was gonna get to that like his plan A is to attack these people theoretically to draw out the gods but again that doesn't even yeah because he thinks all the gods are bad and they don't help any people why would you attack those citizens to draw out the gods and don't give a shit about their people I hit compile after saying that sentence of my brain fell apart you can't have two of those at once oh his motivation is to kill the uncaring gods by relying on how much they care about people excuse me that doesn't make any sense at all and it's like well shut up it's funny though I was completely lost on this guy already I was just like why did you do this you have a great actor you even have like a style that is new with him with the shadows and stuff and like he's a little bit creepily but like what have you done this doesn't make sense so yeah he's attacking and he smiles once the gods arrive I say the gods you get Thor arrives and Valkyries like killing people I guess that was part of the plan but yeah I guess I was to summarize that first he does go into the fight and start attacking them and then when that doesn't work kidnaps some children and escapes through a little shadow puddle because that's what he can do a lot of things happen in this scene a lot of things I guess before we talk about a couple of them we probably should we can do that so Thor lands he's got Sif and he's like take her to the infirmary and then starts just fighting because of course and Valkyries like Lol who you know like Valkyrie implies it's Thor's fault that these people are here and then Thor's like I don't even know who these people are and all the monsters are and he's fighting and then he notices that Mjolnir is doing some damage or rather I guess it's just electrical sounds at first and he's like who's the new guy and she's like oh that guy you're gonna love that guy get it cause he's not a guy oh that's funny and so Thor stares at Mjolnir killing things for a good like 15 second sequence and it was already getting frustrating dude your literal people and they're dying protect them first and then you know do the rest later he learned about the infinity cones things so it's okay if some of them die it's like fuck these guys those are not my people and so yeah he keeps following the hammer until it comes right up to him and he goes you're back Mjolnir oh sorry I skipped over the part where he starts whistling like going you know like the the classic sort of whistle you do for a dog and saying come on come on here just like okay all right calm down does that has anyone seen Mjolnir yeah have you seen my hammer to some random soldier that's fighting fighting for the lives have you seen my hammer like he wants to build a shed or something what are you doing remember how in like in endgame when Thor has Mjolnir and Cap has Stormbreaker he's like no no no you have the little one cause he'd rather have Stormbreaker just keep that in mind because he probably made this room didn't when they were making it well another reason to highlight that and the one in Infinity War he says you copy my beard which is like these things last like split seconds and they carry on fighting and they haven't seen each other in years meanwhile here he's getting really lost and obsessive over Mjolnir instead of fighting people who are like actively trying to kill his people it's just a bit awkward and a lot of these moments they're still fighting as they say these things yes so then he follows it until he sees it go back and it's grabbed by lady Thor Jane Foster dressed up you may have seen it it's a big trailer payoff and he's like excuse me that's my hammer and you're wearing my clothes as opposed to a more apt question of holy shit the hammer's back also holy shit you can pick it up wait who are you doesn't give a fuck let me just take up Mjolnir crystallize that his primary concerns are you're trying to be as cool as me stop it in the middle of a battle it's all hideously wrong it's all hideously wrong and then he immediately he immediately uses his stormbreaker to summon himself a cooler costume with a bigger helmet than hers with a big stupid tg helmet it's because they needed toys merchandise with that because he never wears the helmet again because they knew how bad it looks I kind of liked the suit in the trailer I thought it looked kind of neat I think the suit is wearing I like the suit before he changes it I don't like this one expecting a Ragnarok right another Ragnarok I was like hey this suit this new suit kind of feels more in tone with Ragnarok it's like more bright and colourful it suits the new direction which Titi's taken for and I was really enjoying that knowing that this is a literal manifestation of his vanity I hate it it sucks it is and also I don't know like stupid nano tech helmets by the way I guess we could say it now the CGI on Jane's helmet is unbelievably bad I cannot believe that they couldn't just build like a real helmet and have a wearer that they had to CGI it in and not only to CGI it in but the tracking is so off I was just about to say that yeah every time she moves her head every time the lighting changes every time I cannot believe imagine being the guy who was told to do that yeah the poor fucker who had to do that and we need you to do this I doubt it I doubt it yeah cause this is probably what happened we haven't done enough focus group testing to figure out what the helmet needs to look like to make the most money on merchandise and stuff so if you were going to wear one you put tracking markers on her face for sure but not if you're not interested in actually making the job easier for visual effects artists oh no I forgot that we don't care about the product or the people working on the product you haven't made a mistake yet you make it easier for yourself on set and harder for the people afterward yeah we'll just fix it CGI layer you can redo your work and it's not as expensive as us bringing everybody back in on our set and it's like yeah and you should plan better I don't know maybe the production wasn't a catastrophe it has to have been tumultuous especially afterward cause look at the results it looks so bad why didn't you just give her a real helmet why didn't you give Thor a real helmet either I mean you said it yesterday they probably didn't he's gonna have a helmet on they probably knew that she was gonna have a helmet they just didn't know which one what a waste of work as long as everyone understands very perfectly he is so frustrated and seeing that she's so awesome that he builds himself a brand new suit on top of what he currently has and even adds a little bit on to the helmet yeah is it weird that he can just like create armor and clothes for himself he's done that throughout it's fine yeah even the original Avengers when he summons the hammer it suddenly like the metal arms it does it but I think it annoys me now because all the movies do this stupid nanotech, CG like fucking suits and helmets and things I really dislike it the reason why I dislike it so much is because I think it I don't know if I want to chalk it up to a level of contempt for like like fully embracing the nature of comic book characters with like super unique distinctive suits and fun masks and outfits and costumes I think it's much more cynical it's just that we need to see the actor space because that's better for marketing and maybe the more shallow perspective that you can't have a character with like a mask on even though you can always find really unique and sort of clever ways to do that I mean in Spider-Man Homecoming they'd have like the little zoom in and zoom out thing on like the eyes to simulate emotions you've got options but I think it is just combined laziness and you need the actor's face because it's better for marketing I just don't like it it's annoying and usually there's no reason to not have your helmet on because especially the helmet protects you ahead physically like it's an actual helmet that protects you from shrapnel and like blunt trauma and things you should always have that on he then finally convinces her to take the helmet off and reveal that she's Jane and then he's like flabbergasted and they're just staring at each other while there's a literal building in the background on fire falling apart they're fighting for their lives they're mostly getting their shirts ripped out by these shadow dogs you know what I find interesting about that is that I can see someone being like Tika's such a great visual director the idea there with the house falling apart in the background is that's how Thor feels right now his world is falling apart Jane fostered him and I'm just like this fucking world is falling apart that's Asgard it's fighting happening right now the building falling down in a ruin is symbolic of the building falling down in a ruin crazy and then the Korg comes back in with his commentary we're doing a flashback sequence now yep okay I thought Gore was here to attack everybody and kill the god okay that's fine welcome to Ratcon City everybody oh boy well yeah it pretty much opens with Thor and Jane loved each other a lot they really did here's a bunch of footage of them loving each other because the first two movies just they were great for that I'm sorry they were just attractive people put together which isn't enough sometimes it's like yay they're so happy happy happy happy they go out one night they're having just a great old time they come back, Natalie Portland goes to sleep Thor's talking to me all near about just how great she is just how great she is now at this point in the theater I imagine that a lot of us were the same I was still waiting to find out how Jane became worthy right that's like the big a decent question to ask because it's been a really important mechanic in the MCU not everyone can pick up the hammer you have to be worthy and Steve Rogers fucking earned it after a bazillion movies of doing all kinds of good deeds so right now it's maintained to some degree it feels like Thor is an incredibly special guy not anymore that's why he could wield it and that Steve had to work his ass off the purest of humans and rightly earned that so what did Jane do? you don't want to dilute it you've got to continue to be special surely so as he's talking to Mjolnir and looking at her he says I need you to promise me you'll always protect her and then Korg says and love that deep as a way of becoming magical and then we see the little symbol form that was when Odin said he who shall be worthy possess the power of Thor the translate right in the simplest of possible terms he told Mjolnir to give her the power of Thor in the form of protection to make sure she doesn't die basically and he did it by accident essentially Jane is able to wield Mjolnir thanks to her for her technicality but also Mjolnir to protect her I'm doing this on purpose I'm doing this on purpose that's the way it uses now it would be interesting here's something that would be interesting so let's say that it is as they say that through some weird technicality where like the hammer I don't know depends what Thor says in a way that is unexpected it would be really interesting if Jane found out that the reason why she could pick up the hammer was because of this weird technicality and then it caused some conflict between them I can only pick up this hammer because you told it that I could I didn't actually earn the right in the same way that you earned the right or Steve earned the right whatever happens with her it needs to be acknowledged in the film it is something you earned and I was just given which doesn't happen I was going to foreshadow but more or less just jump the gun there that's not the gun that's the story that's not told the film actually implies that the worthiness criteria is still needed to lift the hammer and so even if he's trying to get the hammer to protect Jane I was under the impression by the latest scene when I actually tried to lift it up I was so worthy which I don't think you would be at this point myself it implies that you still need to have a worthiness to even lift it and just saying to the hammer to protect Jane doesn't disqualify the need for her to be worthy but she just is for reasons which is very unsatisfying to me that kind of rubs the arc Captain America needed to be able to lift the thing kind of rubs Jane of an arc both interpretations are possible that as long as he casts the spell on you or requests it from Mjolnir you can just have all the power of thought you can bypass the worthiness there or she also happened to be worthy and he cast that spell then the spell is irrelevant I was about to say it's kind of pointless so like is that how Mjolnir reformed itself then I thought the spell was the thing that I felt there it was the spell that caused it to reform the Jane it already had spells on it it already had spells on it to help people can't just count girls lying he says love that deep has a way of becoming magical as if to imply it really is kind of a spell cast yeah we know it's a spell cast but the question that we are asking is is it the thing that allows her to pick it up despite not being worthy or is it the thing that allows Mjolnir to reform despite having been broken because that's not the thing Thor is still worthy of picking up the hammer so why didn't it reform when it got destroyed it's that plot point what in his spell has anything to do with reforming Mjolnir well there should be nothing but the movie is trying to say to me I felt the movie was trying to say that it's the spell that Jane it needed to reform so it reformed her which I think is bull crap because yeah there's some other things it might want to reform to protect like I don't know Thor exactly the movie establishes the hammer just had the ability to reform itself for arbitrary reasons that the movie decides to tell us it's like okay sure it reforms and gains attributes because it's now better exactly because it can split up into little bitty chunks and then tear through enemies which is something that you couldn't do with it's better it's better after being broken I'm sure broken this hammer ages ago such crap such convoluted crap you know what would be cool if it was weaker what we can't have it be weaker I was honestly expecting that Jane would have had to collect the pieces and do some real serious research to try and figure out some unknown way that they might be a way for the hammer to actually reforge, reconnect to the magic or something that would have been justified just to go to Nivoledir is it? yeah that place she speaks to Tyrion Giant he has to go through all these different magical people that just look at the origin of Milnear how it was made and she manages to uncover something with the work of people who are experts with materials that are rare to reforge it and that's what gives her worthiness as well because her whole motivation was to get a powerful tool back to heroes that would have been great but none of that it just doesn't because magic and reasons like I'll come often well that's kind of the thing that some of us were jumping to it's just like wow you stole you didn't even do the worthiness arc you just said he made it so that she had it that he didn't even need to you skipped the fuck out of it it was an accident I think the thing that's really wild about it is that it's never acknowledged when it could be the source of really great great conflict and when a lot of the film is about building Jane up it's very odd to have Jane get her powers not through her own merits but because Thor essentially allowed her to it is contrary well it's contrary to your objectives of making her an establishing that she herself is a really great person who is altruistic and noble and earn that right while also like missing out on the conflict that you could stem from like that you could sap out of that to build I don't know like you wasted a really you've wasted an opportunity here it's not like an amazing opportunity but it's something well like seeing a character go from not worthy of wielding Mjolnir who worthy of it like and that is their motivation from the off like that seems like a really interesting arc to take a character on throughout the course of a movie right like they motivated to pick it up at the start they can't they got to work on themselves a bit until they can that could be cool and then you get a really cool end of the movie payoff where like whatever happens like lightning strikes on them or you know whatever it's right there repairing it for other people and then realizing at the end when she finally repairs it it's for her to yeah super cool stuff um and then like they just they blow their load real quick they're like no she picks it up and she's cool now she's thought she did it yeah and this flashback seems to tell us why which is crazy by the way because we're the only people who know no one in universe knows this nobody knows yeah that's true not even four as far as they're all concerned this just happened fuck you this is your right this is when I said we got surprise mechanics now in this story imagine Captain America was still around this like Jane did what nothing he's a cool guy he'd be like whoa good for her this is how important these things are that if you said like Jane Foster she's the fucking thought she's worthy I'd be like holy fuck what a great person she must be like I had no idea I don't know she wasn't there for eight years or something but uh yeah what all needs to do is hang me on here by the way any of my friend any good people in the world if they need help protect them all protect them yeah just fly over there do a little and then come back but don't you didn't reform on on me without me you prick so that important piece of information is done yeah but I just want to point out because it was given in a flashback technically not even four knows how it reformed then and he doesn't even question it they all just take it in stride as like no mystery because that would be a huge like how the hell did this happen why didn't it happen but what I needed you be all dear what an asshole probably also I guess in the same sentence we start with the whole the weapons are sentient kind of dealio that starts in this movie I guess that starts here for the first time because Thor is just talking to me all near like it's a person there are a lot of things that we really had I mean it's never been like this before I think the implication was always there was some kind of a very a very like an implied semi-sentient ability for me all near to judge things like people to be worthy to pick it up as far as it went it was very very basic and bright and there wasn't an issue there and now it's like we have moody weaponry it's hilarious oh we're getting there it's not funny though it's trying to be funny and it isn't that's done so the next thing we need to tell us is why they broke up we get a couple of flashes of them growing more and more distant because they both got their careers one being science the other being saving the fucking world so it feels a little bit unbalanced and then they show us a clip where they're shouting at each other and good old Jane says I have been working like all night all day all night on this data and then Thor says I've been doing this all night and she's like what two dishes and it's played for a joke like because he's an idiot or it is yeah because you know Thor sucks he's a moron it's really weird to do that when you want to be like their relationship means a lot and they broke up for very important and meaningful and reasons that they fundamentally are like incompatible with the lives they turn but instead they're just like lolly can't do dishes do you remember in the not good movie do you guys remember in the not good movie Thor the Dark World how when Thor came back to Earth and Jane was like where have you been like you left he explained very calmly and in a way he was trying to ease over her concerns like yeah the Bifrost was destroyed and the only reason I was able to come back to Earth was da da da da da you remember how like that was who Thor was at that point in time what happened to you yeah we talked he's lost his understanding of like social interactions he's like a clown person that doesn't even understand why people would what people want and what they feel anymore when he used to he did used to he used to be pretty considerate this breaks canon because this is a flashback and they're trying to say Thor was oblivious back when they were dating which is what chronologically in line with yeah that's the point yeah that's what I'm getting at is that they've forgotten who he is like they've forgotten who Thor is they don't care well I said that there's an open rejection of who he is I mean I would say that they don't care like I would be I could believe that they didn't even remember that that was like something he said or like that he behaved in a certain way I think if you showed them to take a take would probably smile and then giggle a bit and go like yeah he's not that anymore what did he say I will do something to your canon or something like that what was that line he said I will ruin your mythos yeah yeah something like that well referencing that after this film well and then there's also the quote about asking Natalie Portman to be in a Star Wars movie for the first time yeah and like that's so so when Christian I'm not that familiar with the Star Wars one apparently Taika Wattidi like I guess while working on her after as Thor was being made asked Natalie Portman if she wanted to be in a Star Wars movie he didn't realize that she'd already been in three Star Wars movies yeah and he's going to be making a Star Wars film this time that level of regard and consideration to the canon and Star Wars movie I wouldn't even care that conversation I wouldn't call it a comparison just like you don't know you just you don't know you don't actually know these films you don't have basic information there's quotes that were back to back there's such a fucking rollercoaster things he said that his Star Wars movie is not going to regard any of the actual established characters he's going to have his own thing made everyone happy then he had a follow up one saying I've spoken to some people and I realize now there's not much point in doing a Star Wars film that doesn't regard some of the things you actually familiar with no no why are you becoming a villain why would he say that well so this is the thing bad his Star Wars movie is like holy shit what's that going to be like oh my goodness that's me worried that's not great because I didn't feel that way before this film oh man and now we've got the director he's had a lot of bizarre quotes lately I feel like we're approaching someone making a video destroying his career like actually not like ending his career but like going through his career and like obliterating him in a video essay form I feel like that might happen well so it's got to be it would have to be yeah no that's obviously I didn't actually say that as opposed to like oh no you know what I mean like it needs to be not actually something that happened as opposed to the way that I framed it made it sound worse than it is you know he could have been joking he could have been like hey Tiki he could be in a Star Wars movie but I don't know why would that why would the quote frame it as if what hold on let's find I have seen an article today framing one of his something he said he was clearly joking as like a serious quote what he said it was like the article said he believes that stranger things shouldn't have used Kate Bush because he felt he feels ownership over those songs and he felt jealous about it well it sounds like a meme but he's in a very sarcastic tone this is the quote Natalie said to me what do you want to do next and I said I'm trying to work on a Star Wars thing have you ever wanted to be in a Star Wars movie she said I've been in Star Wars movies I forgot about those ones it's quite funny it's funny but like it's not a good thing that's the kind of thing he would make fun of Thor for doing yeah I guess it's you compare it to when Christian Bell was asked if you watched Marvel movies he said I watched the one with the big bloke in the stones that's funny to me it's not a problem it's funny to me that an actor on a film is like yeah I've seen a couple on the one with the guy with the big chin or something but like as opposed to you are writing and directing a project in the universe and you've forgotten about the existence of a character who is not like she's one of the main characters in that trilogy I know she's nobody's favourite but like she's an important character I don't know man that's mean and then I realised it was true well I mean I don't know that anybody's favourite is Padme but like she's important my brain genuinely went like hey no Padme's great but like she's definitely no one's favourite no yeah but alright let's press on flashback ends and they film it in such a way that it's framed on here but the camera is like sort of wobbling as though the person is drunk and then it shows him and he's like oh really hot here huh oh my god like the implies having a panic attack because he's seeing here and it's just like yep why not you had several choices but you went with that one yeah in the background by the way a lot of points they're still deaf everywhere so yeah what do we have to do a funny scene yeah and he asks you how this happened and then she's the one that says we should probably carry on with the fight because the fight stuff happened and you're like oh yeah yeah okay again just like who is this guy I recognise him who are you what have you done with Thor as that guy said before getting killed um yeah and then he has a gore like a full on just boss fight and gore has several opportunities to kill him and he just refuses to take them yeah but he makes jokes for so that's funny that was pretty cringe yeah um he puts he like has Thor with one arm and pinned and the other arm he puts the sword to his neck ready to plunge but he just doesn't and then Thor goes is that the Necro sword I've read about that yeah and then it's like we'll try and start reading this whatever gore says in response to that is going to define his characteristics alright and gore says then you know this is gonna hurt mmm yeah I can't get a beat on this villain he's just he's not just inconsistent in terms of his goals and like what he his villainy shall we say I don't get his what is his personality is he like a goofy joker he calm he calmly is like serious diet almost apathetic and it's well not you know like he's he's definitely not like a zany wacky dude it's such a shame because when he when he did that I was like you're not so you're not like full on onto your mission then you're and you're actually like looking to have a little bit of fun here in there which is like that is not the impression I got from you at all it felt like your job was important and serious not like let's have a bit of fun while I'm killing the guards yay and in response to him saying that Thor then says pain is a construct made by the weak oh that hurts oh that's sharp oh it's a really slamming head against the desk over and over like why must you make my Thor this way yeah and then continue just throwing each other around because that's all they'll ever do and then he tries to grab Stormbreaker you're like oh and he's the reason he has that opportunity is he's tangled Thor up in a bunch of tentacles but the thing is when he tries to grab it Thor gets angry and just does electric stuff and breaks out like an area of effect attack just blows him away well it does power up his eyes get glowy and that's when he has a full power I guess you might want to just do that a lot you know that's a good thing that you do there anyway Valkyrie Lady Thor and Thor all see that you know gore is right there and gore realizes I guess that they all see him and so if you guys remember I don't know but this is a choppy fucking scene they show each of them realizing he's there and like awkward solo shots and then Thor just goes pew with his hammer to fire electric for a decent chunk and then it just cuts back and there's just nothing and it's like oh he's gone and then it cuts back to our guys who are like where did he go like well he was right in front of you you would have seen whatever he did I feel like this is happening multiple times in these fight scenes where it's almost like I said earlier there's there just seems like there's chunks of this movie just cut out scenes are just removed even if they're supposed to be really important to something you're looking at on screen that fight probably went on for longer but they ended it and it's chopped up with different parts of the actual ending of the scene probably it felt awkward as hell like all of them realizing he's there he stares off at them then Thor goes fire the lightning for a couple seconds then it cuts over just an empty space and then cuts back and they're like where did he go that's weird but okay and then yeah the scene ends with Gore has kidnapped a bunch of children which is like for what it comes out of nowhere like that's it seems like if you were to watch that scene well if you watch it with no knowledge if you watch it the first time you're going to just be baffled by what any of this was why did you do this? maybe don't watch this the first time everyone first it was you attack New Asgard try to take Stormbreaker and when after your first attempt doesn't really work you then abduct all of the children of New Asgard and then run away what is this? I feel like we've got full on two completely different characters that are in the same body the steel man of this scene which I don't think is conveyed in the film is that Gore realizes he's been here and so he is going to try and lure them into a place where he's more powerful but the thing is was there any indication that Gore would not have been able to defeat all three because he was pretty strong against them all throughout the whole thing memory might be worth giving it another shot there's a lot of questions to ask so Gore went around and killed a bunch of other gods and then attack New Asgard while Thor wasn't there to then pull Stormbreaker from him why did he not just go and attack Thor while he was on his own if he could seemingly travel anywhere at any time cause he didn't have a space he travels through shadows or something so presumably he could go find Thor anywhere but this is how he does it because we've clearly he wants Stormbreaker but why is it that instead of anything why are you killing all these other gods then is that to lure Thor you don't need to lure him you can go to him right you can travel anywhere you want you'd have to assume he's just discovered the shit about it but that was told to him from the first scene he gets that sword according to the movie so the only way they could argue it doesn't seem like it had a point kind of pointless the only way you could argue it is that he heard the word and he didn't really come to a full to learn what that thing could do to need Stormbreaker until right after that last one that means then the corruption is so thorough that it completely removes his own desires, personality choices and memories and everything to the point where it just does whatever it wants but it also does not have its primary goal in place that's how it's a complete mess you're absolutely right and that's why it doesn't work that's how people would justify it they hadn't figured it out they didn't know what their plot was when they started shooting in all likelihood I hated that it's just a thing that happens hey do you have the story figured out yet nah we'll figure it out as we go I feel like you really shouldn't do it that way you shut up Frank go work on that helmet we'll release your children as soon as you give us three different helmets so that's pretty bad they did not defeat this new villain a lot of the property and people have been damaged and a bunch of kids have been kidnapped that's bad it doesn't matter though because we're doing comedy so immediately we're now doing like hi Jane and she's like quite a reunion huh what's it been like 3-4 years and he's like 8 years, 7 months, 6 days and you may have known that from trailer clips it's as cringe as it is in the film it's just he's obsessive she's not because he's got all the worst traits while she's kind of a normal person because that's the way we do it kind of a normal person not really I'm trying to remember do they learn the children have been kidnapped before those exchanges or after oh the exchanges are after they know he's taking the kids there's some lady at night who's like he's taking the children out into a shadow puddle oh that's right just because again this film just doesn't want to take anything seriously like the death of Lady Sif that should have been really serious kidnapping of children holy crap that was like 5 seconds ago so bad doesn't even count anymore and yeah it gets worse so he's like I haven't forgotten since the day you left me and then she's like I didn't leave you did and then he's like well I would know that you left because I was there and then she's like no you weren't there that's the point how could I have left you if you weren't even there to see me leave and then he goes huh I suppose you're right we kind of left each other didn't we and now you're leaving me again and that's how the scene ends so she did him with a note because he was too busy saving the world and she has now told him that really he left her first so don't even make that claim because you went around enough and I find it infinitely frustrating that he's not allowed to do this I don't know why I should bother but remember in Doctor Strange we kept talking about how it's really annoying he doesn't defend himself at all he doesn't talk about anything that he does he's always just getting chastised by every fucking character in the universe because he just can't totally within his personality unusual for Doctor Strange what an unusual for Thor as well to just be like you left me I gotta go save the world it's like fuck me dude you're gonna stand up for yourself at all and he's just like no I guess you're right I guess you're right I did kind of leave okay what so makes Jane look really bad that she was justifying leaving Thor he was saving the world but no he should have made more time for her those people can die right let them die you should have stayed with me you just need to be so defensive why can't it just be like it just was never gonna work like what I needed you couldn't give and that's fine that's okay you can have it be like a mutual one where they both recognise it's like yeah it's not that you are in the wrong or that I'm in the wrong our paths simply do not converge that would be a callback to convergence so whatever that thing was called in poor the dark world I don't know opportunities to not make your characters bad and then because we've had way too much drama now like we need some comedy after that comedy we do because we can't sit on a serious moment for any longer than like two minutes maybe less than an hour the entirety of the new Asgardian community are panicking and they're piling into the community centre to ask Valkyrie what's gonna happen now what are we gonna do like something used to be done our children have been fucking kidding at that's the reality the situation that is not the dialogue the dialogue is a bunch of the guys from the play walk up to Valkyrie like your Majesty don't you think we should work on a performance for this entire debacle don't you think we should have the people they love they love entertainment and people in cinema start laughing because like haha they're gonna they're talking about their shitty play they're gonna make like a shitty play vision of this horrible event you mentioned that so I mentioned this before I was disappointed in the lack of laughs that the audience gave Ragnarok especially when Grandmaster like so many great jokes and they weren't being appreciated this time around I was proud of my audience for the lack of laughter yeah when the film ends you stand and go good job everyone well there was one guy at the end I can't remember what was the thing that they did oh at the end like I can't remember what it was like he just he couldn't help but laugh but I guess that would be a spoiler because that's like at the end of the film alright yeah and the big funny with that as a payoff is that she just walks off doesn't give an answer and then they go I didn't hear a no yeah so I guess they're doing that because that's important and funny with with all that comedy I feel like this time have some more comedy so all just watching Jane talk to people about their crisis and then you have Korg being like hey isn't that your old hammer bro what's it like your ex girlfriend with your ex hammer and I'm just like dead inside yeah I just don't want it anymore like and then they give you the glimpse of hope they give you the little glimpse but go ahead wait what's the glimpse of hope oh what's starting to happen but then they make a joke out of it I'm confused yeah I don't actually know what you're referring to well doesn't he start with his speech next no not yet no? we've got he tries to pull to get Mjolnir out of your hand and then stormbreaker shows up next to him like an ex girlfriend annoyed that he's looking at another girl like it comes in from the side like really slow this apparently works for loads of people didn't work for me I don't know what else we're going to end up saying about it like look look I have to admit that that was the part that almost got a chuckle out of me but the thing that stopped the chuckle was that okay the hammers are not acting in like I hate it I hate the hammers I hate girlfriends I hate it yeah cringe well it's it's trying really hard to be funny and it isn't it's just annoying to me it was just funny to see you get slowly kind of float in from the side of camera it's like look and I get it it doesn't it doesn't make sense no no no I agree with you it's a well shot joke however the content sucks no I remember I watched so here's the thing Chad I watched that clip right before like the film was actually out it was one of the ones that they posted just out of context it's available on the internet if you want to see it like legitimately and out of the context of like hey the hammers acting like a petty girlfriend doesn't it funny that the hammer is acting like a petty girlfriend isn't that really funny isn't it really funny it was just like Thor looking at Mjolnir and then he tries to summon it and then just from behind him you see storm breakers slowly come up and I thought that that was it I thought it was just like a joke from the perspective of the matter of the audience right that it wouldn't be a college universe that it was creeping up on it it was just like it was shot in a funny way we haven't even gotten to like how bad that's gonna get as an element yeah it's gonna get really bad that's gonna inform for anybody who's confused you'll know why I'm angry at this more so than this joke in and of itself but yeah with all that comedy though it's probably time to get some comedy in here um especially before I mean if we keep trying eventually one of them will be funny right well so this one's right love average is funny and this is true because eventually one of them got a laugh this this one's really good this is top-notch quality comedy chat so you embrace yourselves for this the scenario is everyone is in crisis right and we need to actually set it up so that there's enough shouting that that Thor's gonna try and silence the room but in that shouting some people are like suggesting ideas you know that they're struggling with this whole environment this is horrible this is stressful the kids they're gone someone says we should go after them and another one says with what half our soldiers are dead and then someone else says half our soldiers are always dead half our people right uh I be just as angry at those people whether they said soldiers or people yeah this is the line that hurt that this this one hurt this one hurt really quite bad this was like that this is the audio version of infinity cones yes isn't it funny how we have guardian people suffer so much yeah hilarious it doesn't it doesn't make me feel good I don't like it at all nope it's just this insistence we have to squeeze these jokes in everywhere and in doing so inevitably you are going to have people make jokes about things that you you shouldn't make jokes about in terms of the story in the universe right universe is what you could do you could do funny in universe jokes about this kind of thing like you could have a genuine uh scenario where someone tries to make a joke about it and then someone is also not funny and like I don't know you could just certainly a character interaction you could have about it could be funny I would never deny the possibility of executing it I would just advise against it when you're dealing with this level like the town children would just kidnap and we've got everyone's panicking over it and then the history of everyone's died in infinity war they have the interaction between Thor the uh he's never well he's never fought me twice it's uh it's it's pointing to trying to use comedy to to cope with the situation yeah he's trying to make a joke and he's trying to well and remember it's not funny it's not delivered in a way that's bombastic it's tragic yeah it doesn't go it's it's it's di it's diagetic right it's like it's the character is making a joke in universe but it's not like a joke it almost gathers you as well in the sense of um if you know you get told by a doctor you run out of time and then you're gonna go on holiday with a friend or something and then you know that friend is like well we I guess we'll have to do something else and it's like that holiday would have been shit I'm pretty sure anyway but don't worry about it like you're trying like the reality is so much more diagetic but you're trying to it's I think it's accepted well maybe not but like that comedy as a thing that humans do may well have just been a mechanism that we use to help us uh rationalize understand and deal with very difficult situations it kind of ties into that like quote that I really like where like tragedy is first person comedy is third person it's like um like comedy and like difficult situations and bad things there is a link there that you can draw um I don't know if this is true or not but I once heard and take this with many grains of salt but I heard this somewhere and it's and it's something I remember but I heard that in world war two the one of the reasons or it was believed by wherever I heard this that one of the reasons that British soldiers seem to have less um occurrences of PTSD compared to German soldiers is because the because of British humor was a lot more prevalent among men their ability to use like gallows humor and dark humor helped in some kind of regard so who knows if that's true or not but it's something that I've heard and I wonder if it really is the case nice um impossible yeah it's interesting to think because the Germans are notoriously unhumorous as metal constantly as metals avatar tell you the right yeah the reason why I guess it's uh relevant though is understanding comedy is um it the the idea that like comedy is simple is a very simple and shallow perspective on it it's it's challenging and finding out how to incorporate comedy into a story without damaging the overall tone uh of whatever it is or even enhancing the tone with really good comedy it's challenging you need to be like deliberate and um thoughtful with jokes especially when you know if you're gonna make a joke about something that in universe is a significant event you know like you just think about it don't just throw in like isn't that funny it's like well wait a minute would somebody actually say that should this be laughed at you know yeah I think it's about timing because look people do do gala's humor and so I wouldn't say it's beyond the possibility yeah I did I did say that uh it's not beyond the realms of possibility for someone to make a joke like that but right after the children have been kidnapped and they're still dealing with loss and it's a serious situation it'll be it to me it feels very unrealistic that someone would make a joke like that at a time like this especially with the joke comes after a genuine like uh desperation from one of the citizens being like we need to send people after them that's a that's a genuine call for like action and then they're like send who the soldiers half of them are dead and then someone else is like yeah well the half of them are always dead I forget the specific lines but when rocket and Thor are talking in infinity ward infinity ward why did I say the company instead of the game that's very strange but in infinity war there's something they have that thing where Thor kind of tries to make a joke about it then you could see in his face that he's actually quite depressed um and what what was I forget the lines of that specific thing um but it worked really really well and it was yeah is this like a meme or something well wait wait wait wait um has that been brought up at all rags already I don't oh I did someone god damn it yeah so it wasn't a meme you just forgot no it's not a meme it's just I I don't I don't I don't brought up the line where um when uh he said like I'm getting uh he's you know he's never fought me yeah he has he's never fought me twice that's the line you're thinking about I'm pretty sure there's no other joke that I can think oh okay now I remember you saying that it's weird it's so damn it I swear I'm here like my mind is not elsewhere I'm I'm just I I recognize these words I just realized that we could convince you that anything had happened we probably don't take advantage of me I'm not gonna take advantage it's just it's funny like someone would explicitly bring up a reference and then five minutes later you'd be like yeah it's like that thing I just I'm just gonna I'm just gonna smile and say it's good we're all on the same page we are all on the same page and if anything it at least demonstrates demonstrably that the perspectives that are being informed here aren't just like you've just like legitimately forgot that these are things that have ever been brought up to add to that uh that continues uh and I'm getting new hammer don't forget and then Brock it says yeah while I mean I would say like the delivery is a little bit important he's like better be some hammer and then he looks up at him what's being evoked there is like I get I get that you're trying to stay positive about this when it's fucking dire I get it yeah and that feels like the scene itself fucking horrible that stuff is while in this film it feels like the film is like you have to think about it is kind of funny that as guardians have died so much it's not funny though me who is an as guardian and probably knew a lot of those people so relatable so yeah that's one of the most frustrating jokes in the whole movie for me I was very annoyed with it this is the attitude when the writing isn't it funny how like Asgard sucks and they can't they just can't do anything right um alright then so it's very spiteful comedy like the jokes are pretty expensive well they're just always the expense of like the characters in the story um there's no there's no jokes where everybody and now of course a good amount of comedy is like at someone's expense but there's never a joke where everybody can laugh together with happiness you know and just chill with how you know a joke that makes everyone happy every joke is at someone's expense yeah and usually it's more okay well I guess we're getting to that one well and the screaming goats one which is the other one well I guess you're laughing at the goats right no I guess yeah and then they're like oh and they fuck everything up for the people on the ship because they're loud and annoying it would be pretty funny to imagine laughing with the goats as they're screaming you're just like hahaha yeah goat and then you just wrap your arm around them like that's a good one I guess the thing that's funny is that Thor is happy with the goats so we are laughing at like we're laughing at Thor being Thor but like you know it's positive as well well I mean I was laughing because the goats were screaming that was all that was for me I didn't find anything that the goats were screaming I found it was so look I like the absurdity of just these screaming goats that you can hear them and they don't want to be going where they're going they're like resisting at every opportunity being dragged along to be taken but the goat joke wore out as well come pretty quickly so everyone arguing and you know that joke having been made is a result of just the chaos Thor sees this as an opportunity to be like alright fine I need to get everyone in order's time for a speech and this is what I meant yeah and yeah okay so to sort of back up Metal's position I assume what your position is is that it's like alright we can give Thor an opportunity to actually do a thing that he's good at and to actually help his people it's all specifically in mind that as soon as he shouts everyone stops talking and looks at him it's like I was surprised that they actually I was shocked too the joke was he's trying to get everybody to actually listen to him and everyone ignores him and then Jane has to say hey then everyone finally here goes between them and everyone's like oh we respect this guy he's probably going to take care of everything but well naive little me and there's also something they could have explored if they wanted to that as much as Valkyrie is trying to be their leader the people still defer to Thor because he is their true king but of course they'll do nothing with it and they did nothing with it what is the point of Endgame setting up that she is actually well positioned to be a leader only for her to not do that great a job why would they do that I don't even know that this thing is doing a bad job it's just she doesn't like the job but I've that's an interesting direction to take it they don't really do anything with her in this movie she doesn't have a time she doesn't really have an odd she's in this movie a lot they state her current set but that's it anyway this speech begins and we're off to like a partially okay start I think he says times like this we need to unite to come together and he says we're afraid we're scared afraid anxious it's like here we go cause you're like what's the joke then and then he goes in the background Meek is writing things down and Thor's like yeah there's just we and then he goes if we are to find the children we must first look within ourselves and it's just like fuck and then he goes I'm sorry I can't do a speech when you're doing the squeaking stuff you know what I want to compare this to the cause that's what heroes do joke from Ragnarok where he makes a rousing speech then he picks up a ball to like smash it like a heavy object or something to smash a window and the window is stronger than he expected and it just bounces off and hits him in the face at mid sentence and he was going to say that's what heroes do and then he's like oh ow and then he gets back up and still enthusiastically finishes his sentence cause it's like that joke is like hey something bad happened to Thor isn't it funny that Thor fucked up but it's a completely different spirit to the joke where this is like Thor still remains positive and he's like he still kind of comes out on top at the end of that scene because he smashes through the window then as well well yeah then he smashes through the window and like he's still got a smile on his face at the end of it he's like oh that was silly that was fucking dumb lol nevermind I guess I'll finish my speech like that's his attitude yeah well in this one he's just like he doesn't call self-conscious in vain yeah cause he tries that and then he complains about the squeaking and then Jane says meek's taking minutes and then Thor goes precious minutes we don't have you want the kids back I'll be back in a minute and then smashes through the roof he also says write that down meek so what's wrong with this many things first this was him trying to be like look how impressive I am that's what all of that was yeah miserably even to the point of being like I just used the word minutes in a different context but in the same sentence to mean a different thing isn't that clever he even has like I think he winks at them after it like eh like okay his desire to go and save the day means he helplessly destroys the fucking building he's in in Asgard now once again it's completely oblivious to the world around him the implications how and it makes him look like an idiot you laughed right you were like like I said I only came close to a chuckle almost at one time and everything else is like thinking about that time in the cinema I realized that if there was laughing it was like very selective few people who were actually laughing at stuff but it doesn't stop there he's just stated with Stormbreaker I'll just go save the kids what he's referring to is that he can teleport right to them that's what the power of Stormbreaker has why the fuck hasn't he tried this this whole time wouldn't that be the first thing you do but oh well he only did it when he felt prompted to impress other people and so that they could destroy the roof for the joke and then have him crash into the thing outside but I just don't want to lose on that point too hard like the that is incredible that is such strong characterization for vanity yep yep yep but who cares it's funny funny funny funny joke did they explain how they knew the kids were in the shadow realm I remember it comes up don't worry I did all of my prep so that we would we would fully understand the events of this movie 100% yes everyone in chat I'm sure is following along perfectly with how this fucking movie totally makes sense it's great yeah it's really well structured and paced well so it's easy to follow he flies off and they all look out the window because they can hear that the Stormbreaker bridge light comes down and he smashes into another structure in Asgard struggles to get up and you hear in the distant Stormbreaker what are you doing is this about Milnear oh oh stop being like you're not serious ah Stormbreaker is fucking with him because Stormbreaker is jealous of how much he likes Milnear it's not good enough we ruin characters we have to ruin inanimate objects as well Stormbreaker doesn't work properly because the X is jealous of the hammer what the fuck are we doing what the fuck and this is one of the why this whole next set of events is so fucking choppy that I be curious how much roll footage they had of this community center and talking in it because it comes back in and says I couldn't find them and it's like you couldn't find them I guess that means something I guess hopefully we'll get there and then hang on is that what he says don't worry I'm going to get through all the important information as the scene unfolds so that's what he says when he comes in the room I couldn't find them alright they go over like what do we know about Gore he travels through shadows and makes monsters and wields the Necro sword that can slay guards and it corrupts whoever wields it which means it must be corrupting him I remember like cringing out of my fucking skin when he did that that's like I don't know me being like someone streamed for 8 hours that means that's like 4 hours twice good job like if you know this about the sword why are you only now realizing the thing that you describe it to do it's so weird but yeah they're idiots and they're also idiots everyone's fucking stupid I don't even know that this is supposed to be him being done like I don't think so no I think that was supposed to come across as like expositional developing dialogue for the audience that Jadun have got us on a tractor beam and they bring us under their ship like what's happening again could you tell us I don't know yeah I can't follow it yeah so what was supposed to happen in this scene was them telling us that he can't get to the kids because they're currently in a realm that the rainbow bridge can't get to only that's not gonna make sense not enough no it's not actually all I have to go on is the stormbreakers acting up which actually has supporting references soon but you're gonna have to bear with me because this like I said this scene is so fucking choppy don't worry I've not missed anything you'll think I'm jumping around I'm really not really the floating head appears say it out again the floating head appears the floating head this floating head is quite famous it's made it around Twitter because it's one of the embarrassing effects Marvel have ever done looks like it belongs in like a 2007 CBBC production it really does yeah it looks very bad guys I will put it on screen this time 250 million dollars guys 250 million dollars here it is what we're talking about this bad CGI with two come on that is mad that is mad it really does look it looks like the fucking baby in the sun from telly to me it looks like you've taken an image in Photoshop and done like you've used the brush and then put it out of glow it's all winky it's tanky white tinky just makes you wonder just makes you wonder what they did with all the money just makes you wonder where did all this money go because I recently watched RRR I think I told you about it Mewfley they had like a 72 million budget and the CGI in that is pretty impressive it's like really really good this is like 200 million and then you have well you have fucking this I just what are they doing? you know what the problem probably is and is the case with these films it's not a matter of like CG used to well and it still sometimes is used very selectively so like for instance in I don't know Dead Man's Chest like sure Davey Jones is like a CG character but there would have been a decent amount of the locations that they were on and sets that were like physical and were built and they didn't need visual effect shots whereas now with like a Marvel movie probably like 90% of these have some sort of visual effect shot in them your resources are spread incredibly thin to where like you need to do this work there it is but yeah I mean I feel like Avatar 2 will really tell us where the technology is so that we can have a direct comparison of what to be expected versus what Marvel films kind of looking forward to I really just I just want to go into a theater and sit down and watch the pretty blue people swim around for three hours and just marvel at the CGI that's just kind of what's right there for this right before this movie what if the story is insulting and it hates you I don't it seems like James Cameron really is passionate about Avatar like he really seems what if it's what if it's horrible it might be if he's passionate and it's mid that's better it might be horrible but I guess very well to feel optimism it's just let me feel something feel pain the point though when you look at an image like that a frame from a $250 million film is that for $250 million and your Disney something's gone wrong there's something wrong with the way that you do this there's just no if ands or buts about it it's there's something wrong with the process that you use to make films it seems like they wasted a lot of money on overshooting because they shot so much additional footage they didn't end up using it I'd also say that a lot of people involved massive fat paychecks yeah that's probably part of it Fringy you said this was the most expensive Marvel movie I believe it's the most expensive standalone Marvel movie so the Avengers films cost more but Thor Love and Thunder cost more I think it costs more than no way home and maybe it is like paychecks because I'm pretty sure that for Thor 1 Chris Hemsworth got paid like $500,000 now he's getting paid like $20 million per film or something in that that room also I bet Natalie Portland was like you better pay me the same as Chris Hemsworth otherwise you're terrible people and I won't come on to the film unless we're paid equal and stuff well I mean I don't really hold it against actors like they're not as much associated with as much money as they can negotiate for as much but to say as much as a character who's playing a more prominent role is a bigger draw well I have no idea I wonder if she did I get their suspicion but here's the thing though the way that people get paid for movies is like absolutely not based on it's based on like perceived box office draw that's like the main thing that will determine how much people get paid so you can have like I'm pretty sure Robert Downey Jr. got paid more than Tom Holland did for Homecoming and he's in Homecoming for like 10 minutes and Tom Holland's the main whereas now Tom Holland is probably negotiating well it's just now Tom Holland's going to be for like his new Spider-Man contract he's probably going to be getting paid like $20-30 million per movie because like just kind of the nature of how actors and I mean Natalie Portman is like probably one of the highest paid actresses in general because she's got a recognized name and a blog she's Academy Award winner I believe maybe maybe that's like for me though the character Jane is not a draw or Natalie Portman sure Jane might not be a draw but I think it would be safe to say that Natalie Portman was a draw and the film is making a lot of money it's like the fifth highest opening for a Marvel movie I believe I think it's the highest for Thor it's already made $300 million it's made more than Lightyear has in the weekend I wonder what's going on at Pixar if it's not a great time over there I'd be interested yeah Tykel with TDP probably doesn't have too much influence about who gets paid it's probably a producer decision I don't know if it's a director decision I guess it's just I think the broader observation is not anything specific to do with actors or anything it is the allocation of resources where like more money is getting paid to actors and the people who are more visibly involved in the project you need more visual effects work but you have less money to spend on it or less time I think time is the biggest explanation like if Doctor Strange is doing reshoots in March and it comes out in May that means you got like two months to like turn around visual effects work it wouldn't surprise me if like the process is there was people posting on Reddit so obviously you know take it like you know take it with a grain of salt I guess but it was like people who worked in the industry talking about how working for Marvel on visual effects is like a really unpleasant experience because Marvel can't make up their minds on what they want so like they'll have teams make multiple revisions of things or they need things to look a certain way to show to producers even though in the pipeline it's not like that's just not how the process works it's like you've got corporate politics in the background meanwhile these poor visual effects artists I just try to get their work done with like no time to do it and insane expectations and constantly having their mind change I can believe that it's really not fun to work on these films I want you to say that because that link is getting around a little bit where it's a clip of Tiger and Tessa Thompson making fun of the special effects in Thor Love and Thunder which everybody's interpreting as work people of fucking sweat blood and tears over that's not good it's like oh careful guys this is not looking good does this look real it's like someone made that man like I'll probably get their work with the time they have it's awkward you know as a director that you can do stuff to help the visual effects artists do better right like plan better on the day maybe if you put tracking markers on Natalie Portman's face when she was supposed to have a helmet and you know what if Marvel didn't give you the time and there's nothing you could have done maybe just don't besmirch the people who worked on your projects like I don't know yeah well we're all able to like have a complete separation this is a product put out to for sale that we're judging but this is the guy who organized the entire thing making fun of it like okay what's also funny about this like this CG effect technically wasn't even needed they didn't need to do this to establish communication between Thor and like there was the original scene with Thor and Heimdall where it just cuts to Heimdall talking to Thor then cuts back to Thor talking to Heimdall and they didn't even need an effect yep Ragnarok did it better and it was cheaper what? Ragnarok did it better and cheaper make sure that's understood his renamed the film there I'm glad that we're finally normalizing it's not visual effects it's when it's bad management bad priorities like poor planning on set that we're actually finally realizing the efforts and the hard work of visual effects artists who work really hard work very long hours it's kind of the same problems that exist in the video game industry where it's like overworked probably paid alright but probably should be paid more given the amount of work that they put in and it's just nice that it's finally being appreciated it's not the visual effects it's not visual effects and it's not the visual effects artists it is the industry there's a problem with the industry and how it makes movies and unfortunately it's been rewarded by us audiences by making Marvel films that are made in this way the most successful films consistently like every year the most successful TV shows yeah maybe to steal man just to reference that movie again The Indian one with a 72 million budget RRR like the letters RRR you have like this kind of CGI in there like just look at this this is what you can do when you have time to work that's impressive as hell yeah and it's like is that that Indian film that I saw on Netflix but I've seen the ads I've watched it, I covered it on Metalsforge last week, two weeks ago I already forgot it I would highly recommend it it's super entertaining one of those over the top Indian films which are just crazy action where they play it with a straight face and it ends up being hugely entertaining even though it's all utterly ridiculous it's amazing because the movie shows you that when you have the action scenes you have godly powers those main characters but it makes it very clear from the get go and the action scenes are like silly and over the top yeah the visual work in that movie is actually pretty darn impressive I reacted to a film that's made by the same kind of area, it's not exactly India it's one of the north or southern provinces but it's called Bahubali it's this epic war film made and it has got such ridiculous over the top action but it's done with such a straight face it is amazing I actually have a video reacting to this stuff so anyway, people on the fence I covered it on Metalsforge, go check it out as I said this is as linear as I can get it in terms of describing the events the floating head appears pins out this Heimdall's son using Heimdall's power to like contact people and see them wherever you are in the universe he's one of the people that's been captured by the by the creaturey box thing that Gore is doing and so asking for help we get a great little moment where Thor's gonna go give the kids a bit of a conversation because he can be transported there visually so he can speak to them as though he's actually there, he's like a little ghost because it's Heimdall's, you've explained it's Heimdall's son yeah sorry I didn't quite, I didn't know that yeah it's the way it works in Ragnarok yeah and his name is, it was Astrid but he changed it to Axel after the singer yep that's kind of disrespectful to have Heimdall be your dad and he names you Astrid what happens that? I mean you can come up with whatever I mean you can have nicknames if you like what I mean is it's what I find more interesting is that Thor presents the perspective that he would rather use the name that Heimdall had chosen that's kind of interesting well it's just, yeah I don't know why they put this in the script anyway you just have Thor basically say I'd rather go by the name your father gave you out of respect for like strong Viking name and then it's like the name that Axel has chosen and then they go back forth back forth and then Korg it's like the name is Axel now listen to him and it's just like okay I don't know it just seems like it's almost like a little road bump it's like why did we even do that why is it in the film it's not a joke it's just this weird thing that's like I think it might be supposed to be a joke is it supposed to be a joke? it's probably meant to be a joke I think that's the only reason they'd spend all this time and effort to really let us know that he doesn't want to be called Astrid he wants to be called Axel why did they include this over two hours of I'm sorry the cut footage is so much better the Thor gets them with the kids in the little cage and yet again we are faced with an opportunity here what is he going to say to these children what's going to happen in this scene it's Thor leader of Asgard like come on buddy you can do it he says how's it going kids and then they say we're in a cage with spikes and he goes right yeah not good and then they go after a little pause are you going to do something and he goes well no not right now I'm just like a vision ghost see and then he legit you should be able to guess from the way I'm describing this he's not pushing the conversation the kids are yep and then they say what's going to happen to us he goes can't tell the bad situation but if you die you get to go to Valhalla goes through all those guardians and do you know what they say to that oh my god just go away go away and some of the other ones tell that they're not actually as guardians they're like from other planets and stuff that's a different scene that's a different scene I thought it was a scene I thought it was a scene I put in a fucking chest and addressed when we got there because that's a banger of a scene no so yeah they tell him to go away and then he's like don't worry I'm putting together a team it's like ah like in Ragnarok when he says that and then he goes there's a part of it which I can explain that but I won't explain it right now like your priorities are clearly in order Thor again what are you telling me about him as a character that Jane is all he's fucking thinking about when he's trying to tell his children yeah reassure these children in mortal danger yeah this conversation has actually really helped me out I think the thing that Thor has been robbed of is his confidence there's a lot of things I agree but the thing that's like present scene to scene to scene to scene that makes the jokes feel mean spirited rather than like fun is um before we would see like Thor made a mistake and then he just gets up and brushes himself off and goes ah well well that's what heroes do right when he's like brushes it off and then jumps back into action this it's really subtle to make mistakes just charge your head anyway unrelenting and undeterred in this he's like he'd hit himself on the face and go oh no did anyone see that oh that's embarrassing and he'd piss himself he'd piss everybody did anybody see that and he's looking around just to make sure he's just kind of like the Jimmy Fallon thing nervously laughing and looking around and everybody else is laughing but it gets worse they then do like a wide shot where the kids are heading and they all start panicking and they all start heading toward him asking him for help and he just says get me out of here and then they portal him out man awful just a fucking awful scene I hate it but isn't that funny I guess it was supposed to be funny so when he comes back we then start the conversation we were kind of having with these characters earlier like shadow realm that's where they're at color fist, tread even though there's color they're not there yet hey you can go to places you're afraid of and also it's not a big deal but the idea that there's a place where there's no color when color is subjective the color spectrum of human beings compared to other animals or creatures is very low down on my list of complaints oh of course I mean I'm just saying it's like it's not a big deal at all I'm fine with there being a shadow realm I'll accept the shadow realm right you know it's a magical shadow realm but then we find out it's like in the center of the universe hey you're missing loads of things well hang on the shadow realm isn't in the center of the universe no no it's not I'm just wondering calm down we're in the he says they are in the shadow realm and Valkyrie's comment regarding this is wait if he's going to the shadow realm isn't that where he'll be the strongest and this is like a pet peeve I'm so fucking infuriated that she's not listening to him they are in the shadow realm is what he said and then she says if they're going to the shadow realm won't he be strongest there I'd just be like going in there they are there they have made it there that's what Thor's said anyway Thor said they're in the shadow realm obviously Valkyrie misheard it or they just fucking don't care I don't know this is what I meant when we were talking about well as you're in the art there's pieces of dialogue that just don't match and it feels like they're cut from different things being happening I don't even know well I mean as we saw though in that clip apparently like the scene was cut with certain lines of dialogue that were removed because Tessa Thompson was explaining that her reaction she actually looked out for if that happened in the real one yeah I was actually really invested in finding out because it was such a clunky edit that I was like no way is this in the film no no no no no so there's a part in the video that we're talking about where they're making fun of the CGI because I remember I saw it in the clip where like she kind of like she blinks but it's like a weird blink it's like kind of almost shock like it's a little bit of a recoil kind of thing and she said that the reason why was because like the scene was cut differently like it played out differently in that scene but they changed it in the editing room and Taikew didn't notice that that kind of looked weird so I can totally believe that there were like lines of dialogue that the scene was chopped up in such a way that there were parts that were really important that were omitted or that they didn't fit in anymore because of the way that the scene was cut together I can believe that from her saying that's the case sorry yeah but if that's the case it just shows how careless Taikew has become as directed because that should be things that he is on top of yeah so the statement he's going to the shadow realm isn't that way he'll be the strongest the response to that is you're right it could be a trap we can't just march in there it could endanger the children we must raise an army or do something clever god forbid a lot of that is just like wow so it could be a trap it's like no it is a trap there's nothing else to that what do you think he's taking the kids there because he's got a plan like what about we know his motivation fully we've seen what he's been doing he's capturing the children and taking them to the shadow realm presumably to feast on them all he's trying to get you to go there he clearly wanted Stormbreaker well if you acknowledge he'll be stronger in the shadow realm and he's taking them to the shadow realm just put two and two together he wants you to come and save them where he can fight you in the shadow realm where he's stronger you got that and then it's like we can't just march in there it'll endanger the children it's like well then by that logic whatever you do with your approach to that place it'll endanger the children would the children be in less danger if you don't even go and then we must raise an army it's like wouldn't marching in there with an army that does dangerous? how does nothing to do with anything it would be dangerous to go there let's go there with more people that's not even the fucking this scene this scene is almost fascinating to study as though this was made by people so he says all of that which I'm having trouble with like I said could I just interject because it's related to their planning of how they could try especially the children because it's in relation to what resources they have available to try and do it and I'm wondering how precise is Stormbreaker's very precise exactly when he teleports to Stormbreaker he can choose to go right in the middle of a battle directly where he wants and so to me if they were just wanting to get kids one of the things they should address is like can't Thor just literally teleport right to the children and grab him and teleport straight out we're getting to almost by wanting to bring that up as a conversation mechanically a couple more references we almost got them so you got they say all of that nonsense that doesn't really line up with anything and nobody challenges any of it and then Jane says if it's color we need then let's bring the rainbow and flies out of the room god damn that is so amazing I don't have any like I've been fascinated by this line as you guys have known I've asked you many times I've rewatched the scene many times I don't understand it what is she doing if it's color she can't summon the Bifrost so all she can do is fly and it sounds like from what she's saying if it's color we need then let's bring the rainbow to the shadow realm presumably so she's just an incredible moron she has no idea that jumping out of the room and flying away with Mjolnir isn't even close like let me start crawling and I should make it to Mars it's like what just to remind everybody because I actually did make this mistake yesterday in Forge like the stormbreaker can summon the Bifrost on its own because Mjolnir never could Heimdalln needed to bring you so Mjolnir can't where is she going she's just flying up and she doesn't know where the shadow realm is and why would she want to go there on her own I don't know before they even discuss what their plan is before they even know it's so weird she's just going to fly across the galaxy in order to get and then they start talking about like oh is that a catchphrase she's got yeah she's a little cringe with her catchphrase and then she lands back down and says yep jump the gun what does that mean what happened he's acknowledging that yeah I probably shouldn't have ran off there because I couldn't literally do anything so that was just because you wanted to have a shitty catchphrase and then have a little joke about it it really is shitty all those battling moments and this whole scene is so stitched together insanely I just like it's hard to watch what's happening was that the same scene where they shot the footage off and it was like cut it cut off Thor's sentence or something yeah okay that was in one of the clips Jay was saying in the movie that's not no the movie did I was just wondering if it was here there was a shit ton of reels for this they had they probably had all kinds of stuff and they just picked some random shit and put it together really hard to and then he lands back down she says that but we just immediately go to are you thinking what I'm thinking I'm thinking it everyone says that we're thinking and that's funny they come up with the idea at the same time Thor and Valkyrie Omnipotent City and all the audience is like it's like oh you don't recognize Omnipotent City Book of Vashanti Eternity none of these things mean anything to you oh well because they didn't exist we made them up not only did they not exist we're gonna say that they exist and we're gonna say that characters knew they existed yes Omnipotent City is a city populated almost exclusively I think exclusively except soldiers by gods just all gods including but not limited to Zeus Ra I don't think it's one of the ones he mentions it's a whole bunch of Jormunganders there All the gods you would recognize and even more they're just all real and hang out at this city yeah all the gods did they have any perspective on Thanos or were they just like utterly indifferent to that technically they're a form of life they should have been all half of them killed you would think that right yeah but I guess they just didn't care and don't really and also just again so like Zeus is real and just hanging out in like this city Zeus the great god Zeus yep how invested is he in the affairs of earth presumably a lot but I would think that it would be a lot considering this is Zeus but uh well I guess not well as we're going to find out who Zeus is the reason why I'm using these names is because they're the ones that even mentions as well and he says we're going to make a team and it's like because he considers this a dire situation trying to get the kids back from the shadow realm in which go has taken them so we need real good help that's why we're invoking the gods and it's like oh man did you get some other connections any other really dire situations that you've dealt with throughout your illustrious career for like that time when earth was being invaded by the Chitauri or that time when earth was going to be destroyed by the convergence or that time when a giant when an evil robot was going to destroy the earth or that time he's going to destroy as god but I don't know man like why did you never ask for their help or alternatively request like you know refer the Avengers or other heroes to them to get help yep or Thanos I forgot about that one yeah like the one that ended half life in the universe seems like the most cut and dry right because like you might be able to say oh like what Thor why didn't you ask these guys when like the Chitauri are invading earth and Thor might well that would have been completely pointless even though they do not care about the dealings of the earth anymore they would not help I don't know it seems easier to dismiss with some kind of bullshit that only half excuses it right there is no excusing Thanos it's like hey do you help half of you will die I mean he went to the place to get the hammer but he didn't go to Omnipotent City to go talk to Zeus and let them know what was going on honestly you would almost assume they probably had some of the infinity stones there to be honest like I think that would be a fair assumption for some reason like 4 out of 6 of them I think and if someone in the discord had just said don't even fucking think about how the TVA enforces all this shit what do the TVA do if like Zeus is like you know what I'm gonna have banana bread today it's like no have an origin their devices will just work they'll just be able to freeze them in time and you know those time bombs that will wipe out gods as well because the TVA just there well the TVA are the most powerful entity in the MCU they have to be they then say alright then that's the plan we're going to Omnipotent City we can't go there with Stormbreaker because Stormbreaker is janky and the only reason they give for this is like a love triangle happening with the hammers fucking insanity dude I just can't believe that's happens and then they say we can't use Valkyrie's horse because that horse is not big enough to take 4 people at once I can think of a solution to that no solution exists no solution doesn't exist and that's another point it probably is okay to take 4 people on it honestly it's a mythical crazy magic being you could probably get away with the 4 of them actually it's still going to be faster going 1 by 1 I guess just 1 by 1 I was going for a couple of minutes did anyone mention how Omnipotent City is as a name we did extensively yesterday I don't know if we did today but it is really a lot of it it's not what I'd call a city it's a lot of comics of very shit oh my god chat cover your ears chat cover your ears madness comic fans will happily tell you that lots of the runs are shit lots of the runs are shit is that what we just said lots of the runs are shit yes they are if they're like talking about a comic run they like and they're like it's good in the movie because it's in the comic and you're like that sounds shit though they're like but it's in the comic that's when they get mad they don't get mad when you just say that some of the comics are shit because they agree anyway the whole Stormbreaker is not working properly the horse isn't enough what's the plan well luckily Stormbreaker is working faster and she can answer the question he says Stormbreaker just needs a conduit anything capable of space travel it has the power to get us there it just needs a focus a ship could harness it does any of that make any sense to anybody no this is this is like you made all that definitely one of those well if you say so kind of things I mean Thor has been using so many never needed a conduit that was before Stormbreaker was jealous exactly just arbitrary crap in the plot that they're injecting for because reasons because of the plot I think this is because they want the cool visual of the boat it is definitely that because the question of why can't we go to the Shadow Realm directly with Stormbreaker is like we're gonna get there this is like components right so we're not going to Shadow Realm first that'll be crazy that'll get the kids killed we have to go to God City first I couldn't believe this line anything that's capable of space travel can act as a conduit for Stormbreaker like what does it even mean what does that mean well yeah because technically I don't know like you could throw a rock into the air fast enough and it can fly through space I mean everything travels through wow we want to be super duper I think that's fair to say I don't know what she means by capable of space travel because the traveling part is surely done by Stormbreaker that's the whole point that's the whole point of Stormbreaker what do you mean do you mean like we need something to encase us to keep us safe would make more sense to me but no means of protecting them from the vacuum nope but that doesn't matter we don't talk about that at least presume that there's like some magical properties to the bifrost like mechanism protects you from space there is a rule that you could make to try and justify but the problem is that never be consistent with that rule in later things and you could say something like if you are moving in a certain direction fast enough that causes the bifrost to be directed in that same direction but that means the bifrost could never be used to go to any other location when you're moving fast enough and there's lots of country because if you're on a planet you're technically moving through spaces really fast rate anyway and so everything is in space we're all moving through space so well then I just wanted to go for the last line being that it has the power to get us there it just needs focus a ship can harness it when you say a ship are you actually talking about a ship just like a little dingy boat would be enough well it is it's baffling I don't know what the fuck is going on yeah it's like an engine yeah and then she's like yeah like an engine as if it makes sense it makes sense because the engine doesn't tell me where to go which is an interesting whatever I like that the ship creates artificial gravity like it's a ship in the middle of space but they can like stand on it isn't that magic magic it's an Asgardian ship it's got like asgardian magic it's just a regular boat like it's a little road boat that they go on tours with no no no it's a flying boat it's a flying boat that they're using as a it flies, it protects you from the vacuum and it has gravity and readable oxygen it's base ready requirements so I guess yeah that's just that you know space is really cold at least most of it is not with asgardian magic and snacks so then we get another incredible scene because we've had so many dramatic scenes that it's time for a funny I would say fuck Thor is like just hanging around he notices that Mjolnir is just hanging around and he walks up to him and goes you moved on pretty quick didn't you you are some piece of work fucking hammer like what the I don't know that's pretty fucking hilarious to me wow good comedy and then Jane pops up and he's like oh sorry sorry I've been acting weird I'm just trying to figure out who I am basically and then I saw you dressed as me so again it's just what are we doing it's like an acknowledgement in universe that she's literally wearing his clothing almost like his style which is essentially true we've got no other reason to think otherwise he takes his name it's weird and nobody's talking about it in universe people keep pretending this isn't weird because it happened in a comic moviebop gave this an 8 out of 10 he did are you taking the piss wow I just can't believe it yeah so he's sorry I just wanted to agree with you it is weird like the fact that they're calling them for a lot of people who have been calling us like this is just dumb why does she find her own name or just yeah it's like a lot of yeah a lot of Marvel comics a lot of people are saying like oh she doesn't want to be called Lady Thor because she doesn't want to be defined in relation to Thor she's called herself Thor oh call me mate we'll get there whatever say no weird dumb so the way that he's saying this implies that she needs to explain to him how this happened and that's this scene so she says well I heard me only a call to me and then I came here and now I'm Thor and then he just he's like well it looks good on you you know it works and she's like okay yeah see you later but yeah she leaves and then Stormbreaker slides and he's like what we were just talking and it's like so that whole scene was just the joke it wasn't any new information it wasn't actually anything meaningful between these two characters it was just for the joke again I thought that Stormbreaker was jealous of Mjolnir not Lady Thor well if you remember sorry the other thing that he did was say these tests if he was worthy with Mjolnir so I think the angle is that he's still obsessed with Mjolnir and Stormbreaker's upset about that okay alright that makes sense now that you've explained it to me now as I have said many a time doing comedy comedy comedy comedy comedy comedy even when kids are kidnapped people are dying comedy comedy comedy comedy when kids need to be reassured that they're going to live comedy comedy comedy it's like alright so what's next then it's like comedy it's like no we find out that Jane is still absolutely dying from cancer and she flashes back to memories of her mother's last words before she died of cancer telling her to fight on to never give up and that even though she is dying that she will continue the fight I hope you caught all that because it's time for comedy that's about 25 seconds I think just my observations I don't know much about cancer is it like can you inherit it is it a genetic can be a genetic disorderly yeah it's like a royal title when you die you I think you can genuinely I'm not 100% sure but I think you can inherit a disposition for it I think so I think Jay's right you don't inherit the cancer but there can be genetic aspects of your family where you're more likely to get cancer I see this scene is so whiplashy to me I was so surprised I never thought we were ever going to get anywhere near doing this we're going comedy comedy hard core and then just the hospital noises the beeping and then just panning around in mom saying like don't worry when I'm gone you're not going to be alone you need to never give up fighting what the okay yeah I guess I feel like this should have been built up to this is a really important scene this is a core characteristic for Jane that we have never seen before in all of her screen time on the MCU damn and then it's also revealing something very confusing because it was for me especially like lots of people who barely paid attention to this thing which I wouldn't even blame them Jane is still dying from cancer like wait I thought how can that be possible like so how does that work and well I guess we'll wait a little before getting more on that but okay and yeah we go back to talent jokes just under that like a lot of time for you to feel sad and don't be disappointed if you might watch this scene about the back story stuff and think that it'll be revisited later and explored and we'll learn about the character because of it I hope you're not really invested in that as a concept and then we cut back and she breaks her sink with a hammer for some reason not clear on that she's angry she's dying or something that's all I got her proposal jokes are generated from the fact that she does that because when she opens the door she's like I'm fine and she's like really the sink doesn't look fine I feel like these are just this is like a sitcom bad sitcoms where you have laugh tracks popping in every second to remind you that you need to laugh and that was a joke so obviously Valkyrie catches this happening and so she's like you clearly have an issue and then she's like okay Valkyrie do you think I should come on this mission like yeah you're a Thor of course you should come which feels like I'm missing a lot of information at this point in the story you know like if she asked me should I be coming on this mission I'd be like well I don't know what is the nature of your situation you like are simultaneously dying cancer patient but also Thor if I didn't translate it well enough there's like a visual where she drops the hammer and she looks like she does like in the hospital but you know like bags under eyes sort of thing like worse than what we last saw her as if to imply like yeah it's it's progressing and then she picks the hammer back up and she looks like Thor again okay so from that would you say would you say she's battle ready like I don't know I don't know what she is yeah but Valkyrie doesn't seem to give a shit she's just like yeah come with us yeah okay he just accepts like oh yeah you're a Thor now you come with us okay and you're viking now so if you die and you die in battle you get to go to Valhalla oh just I didn't even know that's how that works she's a viking now alright yeah because hmm and Valkyrie says I miss fighting I miss my sisters that that's why you should come also just kind of pet peeve as guardians they're not really vikings wow racisms right there they influenced the vikings that's the they did they were there when the vikings were there they weren't vikings themselves and now they're just calling themselves vikings is like when did that start it's it sort of sneaks up on you because the first character is there is I forgot her name like Jane's friend at the beginning of the film is like I could believe that she would call Thor space viking that makes sense to me it seems like a perfectly reasonable thing for a person on earth yeah but not them themselves right they are not vikings but like from the cultural perspective of a person who lives on modern day earth yeah they are connected to the vikings whereas for as guardians the vikings are like these people they hung out with 2000 years ago you know it's no weirder than them calling themselves like and uh space who was anyone else that they hung out with oh I don't know frost giants well I forget what they called but yeah you guys ready for another Thor's speech I would love to hear another Thor's speech they've been great so far only if it's funny so they're about to leave on their quest to save the children so it seems like an easy win here Tim's speeches go and he says my fellow as guardians we shall travel at the speed of Odin's ravens and we shall bring back the children and we shall feast and there's a pause and he goes not on the children we don't do that anymore dark times shameful times so are we are we implying that Thor ate children I don't think that's an implication as old as he is hey it could be interpreted that other as guardians ate children and not Thor when he said we he said we he's referring to the as guardians as a people no he's been alive for a while he ate Thor ate children multiple just in case anyone didn't get it this really funny undercutting of his rousing speech is the the reality that as guardians devour children at some point in their history mhm mhm I'm just thinking like why I know for a joke but like it's usually that's the joke you decided to go with funny funny funny oh my goodness funny and again like that the third time that his attempt to just browse of any kind of good feeling has been completely ruined by him being an idiot can I bring up the person laughing in the cinema now because I think this is the perfect time to mention that oh you gotta wait until it happens in the film I wonder why they laughed at that moment given this moment well Jay it does sound like Jay really needs to get it off his chest um I'll allow it in the cinema someone just openly laughed I think multiple people laughed when slightly later on in the film Jane just says the words I have cancer I mean there's a better way to set that up I mean this is why I wanted to wait until later Thor basically tells her he's in love with her still and that they they should make a go of it they should they should get together they should do it and she cuts him off almost in his passionate expression of his feelings to say I have cancer and he like stops just like what and there are people in the audience who laugh at that because they are so broken on their emotional scales or rather the reaction scales they don't even know what's supposed to be funny anymore um and to be perfectly honest with you I'm not sure I can guarantee that wasn't supposed to be funny myself I don't even know I have no clue I have no clue Jay's version was funnier that's the point I don't think it's supposed to be funny the scene isn't like my version of telling of the person laughing was funny no no no the joke isn't supposed to be funny that's the point is the people laughing at it it's funny that someone laughed at it but it's not I don't I don't think you would sound that Jane having saying she had cancer was I don't think anyone would I think there are contexts where that could be funny though probably but like I don't think that would be a nice and sketch comes to mind what if what if this is like a met what if this was a meta commentary by Natalie Portman referencing that she is a feminist what I have cancer like I have I'm a feminist I have feminism in me and that is like a cancer you know the old being that feminism is cancer it's not a meme the tone is so fucked and the degree to which there's no borderline between drama and comedy it does feel like the audience is now trained to the point where they don't even recognize the training and they're just like I'm recognizing signals for laughing or for drama I don't even know what to do anymore and yeah it's awkward as fuck when she's like I have cancer as a reveal to a person who loves it so we would think that's a comedic beat any problem is that if Taika Waititi said that it's a comedic beat I'd be like oh shit okay what can you do die I guess so anyway bit more funnies happen finally they arrive at omnipotent city and they start walking down just to get to I guess wherever they go in and they have a little chat they have all the things they could chat about meaningful thing can I mention something before that have you said that they just crash into the fucking in the random garden yeah that's what we're bringing up they didn't have any problem entering omnipotent city and they crash into it just crash into a random garden just going right in there and then just leave the ship there I guess well it's alright if everyone knows that you're here so it's no worry they're not trying to lay low or anything no no which I guess they are so that's the thing it's not I don't even know if it's worth bringing up so what if what if then as they're just walking down we get some dialogue and you maybe thinking like we could explore something character wise and saying hey so I'm trying to come up with a catchphrase but what do you think of this one eat this hammer and he's like oh that's pretty good and she's like yeah I'm work shopping it and he goes Fong has better action lines he's like mine is this ends here and now and she's like oh that's really good you know it's not great the tracking on the helmet in this particular shot but continue you know it's great not great is the dialogue in the scene well yeah it's not great someone in chess said eat this baby eat this baby and then it's like so what will be the next thing to be said now and then she says so you got a girlfriend like oh okay that's what we're doing then he goes oh no no no I'm too busy lots of work to do just you know and she goes cool I'm going to check this place out and she flies away that's the conversation yeah it is so stilted that I could never blame the actors like this this script is horrendous you guys couldn't make this work yeah I don't know what would you what would you do to make this work like Natalie Portman in Star Wars once again she's being fucked over just walk here and talk about your catchphrase and then fuck off after you ask him for a girlfriend good job you dating anyone no bye really happy you wasted my time movie thank you I can't imagine why they broke up and then because she left Valkyrie can walk up to him and be like I'm detecting feelings and he's like for Jane no just like what did we gain from that whole scene it's like yeah Thor's got a crush on it he always has that's just that's yeah alrighty that is very funny though then we get another gore scene so Thor's not doing too great and we're halfway through the movie so let's see what this next gore scene can do Axel is telling the kids about what Thor's done and it makes reference to how Thor made a weapon in the heart of a dying star to decapitate Thanos and save the world like all of those things are technically true but obviously it's connecting pieces of a story in different places to make a satisfying narrative you could say and it's like yeah okay fine and it's probably a good choice for Axel to make them feel better about how that's the guy that's coming to save us and then gore is like what a neat story like oh okay and he's like so you guys like decapitation he grabs a little tentacle creature and he names it as well right uh yeah I forgot the name though and then he fucking cuts its head off and all the children scream and he like passes the head away and he's like oh I thought you liked decapitation I don't like that he's that he's bad to his minions I don't even know what what's happening who's this guy now this is like the third gore it's like I just want to torture children in some way I don't know it's just like what does this have to do with anything we've learned about you why are you doing this but that part's over now next part he says you think they were trying to do the things like oh look the hypocrisy of you people or something I'm grasping at straws here I'm just suggesting there's plenty you can do but they decided to spend their time here just making gore an asshole yeah and then we leave and then you gotta see why again like cutting shit together um you liked it a minute ago as meme potential goldmine I guess that's what he says about decapitation uh so this the whole scene is so off to me yeah so he's like he's looking at all them screaming and he goes you know I used to know a girl like you she was brave and smart you like to draw let me ask you a question about gods at this point I was like alright this is your opportunity let's actually understand what the fuck is happening here because it seems like he's about to make a point that could explain what the fuck's going on he goes this part's great so he says gods are meant to protect you right so where are they and then one of them is like Thor's gonna come for us and he goes I'm counting on it no why would you say that well first of all but you can't say that after what you just said yeah gods aren't coming to save you yes they are yeah I know yeah I know and then hey gods again that's not even the end of the scene because we've still got other problems happening which is that the writer doesn't trust the audience he says I'm counting on it and so all of us in the audience are like oh that's part of his plan hey okay yeah no I could have figured that out myself especially when the fucking team of heroes have developed that this is a trap but that's fine he then says ADR that's my plan this film thinks that you are an idiot I couldn't believe it I was like you fucking kidding me so what was that scene it was gore is using the children as a trap we already knew that pretty much what was all of that they completely forgot who this fucking character is are they tried to involve dialogue that he might say oh gods are meant to protect you and yet where are they you can't use that if the whole idea is to bait them with the kids because they want to save the kids so now we're all just baffled like what the fuck is happening you forgot to write a script I don't know and that is gore scene scene that was improvised by a robot I want to give the robot a little bit more credit I think the robot will be like wait doesn't make sense what the fuck is that like cleverbot doesn't actually remember anything other than the immediately previous input and this is the stuff they chose to put in over two other hours of footage that we have no idea what was there the scene even progressed the story it doesn't actually need to be exactly it's useless I didn't realize it's a bait but they fucking signpost it several times so I don't know what what does this serve or is creepy and evil look how mean he could be he's mean to children and it's like that's not at all what you said he was it's like he is now if that's how he raised his daughter he's like just torment her by killing animals in front of her no he's corrupted Chad okay killing gods because it doesn't matter at all yeah just from chat Gore is using them as bait but doesn't tell full where the kids are he's lucky that Thor figured it out through other means I guess fucking weird man whole thing is weird so that's it for that go scene very good then we get a scene that it was only recently that I even like clocked this because scripts are hard to criticize when they all happen so fast um they need disguises because they wouldn't want to be spotted too early before they can make their case the best way possible which you know it was brought up earlier but it's just funny that they crash landed right disguises cool because he's retarded says why don't we just wrap ourselves up in our own capes it's like okay um and then he's holding a bunch of cloaks he says these cloaks are from the emotion gods each color signifies a different emotion this is very very this is very useful information very useful the fact that I said it alone should put you all in a position of like what is this like why do I need to know that what is what do we get from this like that's a great question so um well where are the emotion gods implying of course that shouldn't they be wearing these and then Valkyrie says don't ask ha ha ha that's Valkyrie and yeah again you're like oh that's a joke the idea is she killed the emotion gods and took their cloaks I think why would you do that I mean I hope she didn't just kill them and then you're like wait why why emotion gods what does that have to do with anything assume this was cut content I assume that there was like a scene where the capes changed colors and maybe it was some funny joke or something um and like maybe Thor had an awkward moment where the the the cape turned into a horny color um or something I don't know and then like but that was cut for time and we will all miss out on that content forever aha oh no maybe it's just the best maybe some things should be lost to time yeah yeah yeah then we meet a whole bunch of gods find up feel like the dumpling god should be mentioned dumpling god yeah which is just a little dumpling the god of the krogans he's sitting on a throne made of scissors did you write down the krogans did you write down like a tism name the krogan god has like a tism name oh yeah I don't remember what it is ah dammit speaking of mass effect species so um suspicious amount of gods Zeus shows up and sort of remind yourself we're on a timer especially they believe so because the children you know and they're like we need to get his attention and do this now and then he's like whoa whoa whoa we can't interrupt him in the middle of his entrance he's famous for entrance mm-hmm right and um Thor's like this guy's amazing it's Zeus it's top tier I base pretty much everything I do after him he's my biggest inspiration which is uh you know it's kind of the problem they often have with establishing a history about a character or showing us um that someone feels a certain way about them it's just like so that means they must have fulfilled some level of xyz to be seen this way Thor's been around for over a thousand years he's familiar enough with Zeus to the point where Zeus is his biggest inspiration so what is Zeus's characteristics well all we've got from this film is that he's an egomaniac and a coward that's about it allegedly a coward I don't even think he's a coward he's also horny he's horny Zeus is horny he's also horny us for so yeah and and it takes about I think 30 seconds of Zeus's opening speech for Thor to lose his faith in him completely as a as a good person even though he was right a thousand years yeah well look we need to write that character development Zeus's opening speech doesn't actually contain anything like particularly damning it's like hey guys I don't know what you mean wait what? what's it contain what I'm missing so the way it starts is when are we organizing the orgy and then they're all like unimpressed and then Thor's like wait the good stuff's coming important stuff's definitely on the way and he says now let's look at the winner for who sacrificed the most human souls in the name of a god oh after that bit my mind was thinking about orgy's I was distracted by the orgy's Thor then says okay maybe he's not great and then I think Cork says oh no not good it's just like I look alright whatever fuck it yeah so Thor is now like Zeus sucks it's just like okay hmm so what bothers me is like the Greeks didn't really practice human sacrifice too much to pay at the end like according to that you know to my knowledge they can do whatever they want and they chose to do this alright have you considered that what they did is funny as in strange funny you laugh it's funny like haha funny am I supposed to laugh yeah yeah just felt out of place for me the Greek gods I don't think they actually give a shit about their relationship to their real life no I think they're all just gonna just make them dumb and stupid and arrogant like why not that's just funny because we can portray them contrast them to our heroes who are desperately trying to save children while all these fucking gods suck and they're already there through their own image and stuff and it's like anyway Valkyrie says alright clearly these gods aren't gonna help us but we can get the thunderbolt that'll be good enough sorry sorry to interrupt I just realized they had an opportunity they should have done animal sacrifice which is far more prevalent and one of the things they sacrificed were goats and Zeus could have been alright we need to sacrifice some more goats because they got goats remember the screaming goats could have been tied in somewhere you could have done that yeah so they need the thunderbolt and then they're like well how are we gonna get that and then Valkyrie says let's just bum rush him when the time is right just go and it's happening so fast isn't like a huge place filled with all kinds of the most powerful gods you're just gonna attack and take Zeus's stuff what is happening why is this happening it's a terrible plan in such a way that you guys should be realizing like you could all die but it's not true though it's just bullshit all of it's bullshit okay um they're talking about that and then Thor says wait wait wait wait I still I want to try and talk to him and they're like when when the time is right and then Zeus says hey who's talking over there and for some reason Korg says it's these guys and points to him cabbage I have no idea why that happened that's funny that's funny hilarious because Korg is a moron isn't that hilarious because even Thor is like why are you doing that it's like yeah I don't know why this point watching the movie more we paused in the cinema and we said it's true we did yeah let's say okay so this was funny apparently I think I came up with an example of like what would have to be so stupid that people would actually be taken out or like the taekwitini would think oh people will be taken out with this we can't include it if we too stupid and I think the example that I came up with was like okay Thor just stands up and he's like hey Zeus look at this and then he pulls down his pants and then you were like no actually that might fit within the tone of the film yeah it would and like I hate it I should have laughed at that though that would have been funny though watch this Zeus look he's Zeus he's my asshole I don't know maybe that would work hey Zeus look I'm the moon guy so Thor stands up with the intention of going to talk to Zeus and he looks back at Valkyrie and Lady Thor Valkyrie says I'm bashing heads in five minutes and then Jane says heads will roll I think she says literally heads will roll and then Thor is like who are you two and I'm like yeah and that's a joke but it's actually more an apt question very good question why are you guys so ready to murder what's going on we're all so fucking weird as if like this there's nothing clever in this movie and this scene really exemplifies that how there's no plan there's no attempt to sort of use Zeus's his interests and his personality well use his ego against him you know there's no there's plenty that have been presented so none of them are like oh we could take advantage of this we could it's just he likes pretty ladies they got two pretty ladies with them they could have you know and he as well this was another quote we made in the cinema Mola was like I don't think Mola's here what where did he go he had to step out for just a moment I didn't catch that I am interested in the story well all you said Jane so like wouldn't it this might actually be funny in the comedy film they had like you know they were like okay so Zeus has been very clearly presented as this mega horny guy they go up to him and they've got two hot ladies there they've got the hot guy there and they're like you know they're all trying to flirt with him to get what they want and you can have corg there as well going like yeah and I'm here as well you know if you're into this kind of thing giant rock man like it's fun and in this you have both of these chicks and they say we're going to start this big fight here in the worst probably possible place that you could want to start a fight in the city of gods surrounded by all of these super powerful god beings with Zeus right there and all these guards and you think you're just going to win the fight you think this is a fight that you can just win how stupid are you yeah worst place in the MCU like universe to start a fight this has got to be high on that list rags I just noticed your animated little gift button that's very cool a figure is appropriate for this movie absolutely also another thing like I always thought Valkyrie was a very low tier on the scale of powers and you could justify Jane could have the powers of thought because she's got Mjolnir but when did Valkyrie suddenly become their equal I thought she was always supposed to be weaker well because she's an Asgardian which makes her stronger stronger than her asgardians right she's not as strong right not as much as Thor I'm sure she's quite a very competent warrior and fighter but she's just not on the same level as Thor and certainly not all of these it's not about her fighting prowess could be equivalent or maybe equivalent because she's like good at fighting but then there's just base strength and you would presume that Thor and also Jane have greater power than Valkyrie they could have tried to just fight with her being now the leader of Asgard that she has a new special Asgardian weapon that was built specially for her trying with her being a Valkyrie and just being really like skilled in combat and stuff because she's a Valkyrie yeah that's sure with me yeah it's it's just a matter of even if you're like even Thor in this predicament you're like man y'all shouldn't you should not be starting fights here this is really bad oh yeah it's a bad idea for someone with Thor level powers to try and start a fight there but Valkyrie is there saying she'll get in on the action too and I'm thinking where on earth has she ever been depicted with that level of power to be able to take on gods or if you beat Loki that's true I guess it would make more sense to me if what came through with her is that she's a really good tactician just because she was a Valkyrie that was like an important part of what she did so she doesn't just say alright here's our strategy attack fight as opposed to concocting some sort of plan or strategy cleverness in these movies there's no like I'm sorry we're pretending like oh she doesn't come up with like a clever plan like no she says because she comes up with one of the most brain dead suggestions of all time get a fight in the middle of it let's steal his lightning bolt what if he like run away or something you know like what if he gets rid of it so matter of factly it's like in BLJ oh let's just go on the supremacy like it's just a thing they just say and they just do that that's the plan let's just do this let's just steal Zeus's fucking thunderbolt let's just do it let's just flick switch and do it did you guys mention as well like so he's like I'm the god of lightning you're the god of thunder thunder's the sound of lightning also my bolt is called thunderbolt is that meant to be like a is that like a joke or something probably if you're every now he thinks that lightning is better than thunder at least is a description but his literal lightning bolt he calls it a thunderbolt it's a like that's got to be a joke right I don't know it has to be a joke right it's so stupid though Fringy sometimes it has to be it has to be a joke it's going to be a meme are we done yet if ever in doubt it's probably a joke unfortunately Joe oh he warned Zeus about gore the gore's a thing then Zeus is like yeah he's killed some low level guards oh well big deal yeah he cares then he ties up Thor because he's being rude I guess and does the and then does the thing that is yeah I don't like it I mean it's just it's just gross I think maybe not just because of what it represents this gets ultimately has openly stated that he didn't want to take his shirt off of previous films he's like hey can I keep my shirt on this time and take it between was like no and then this time it was like also your butt also and like you will just be fully naked in the film take more off even within context it's played off as a joke when like I feel like we should actually be treating this this is a breach this is a breach this is a breach of I'm like I don't think that they would treat many other characters with this kind of in this kind of way characters they wouldn't treat like that yeah well three I guess right also I guess Korg they wouldn't I I'm not sure I would even mind it with Korg I feel like he would be chill about it like I guess that could be okay as a joke yeah just more rocks like if you said that cause yeah I guess nakedness for him is just not a thing yeah what's it got well I don't even think Korg would have any certain parts of what I cover cause they don't even reproduce that he's a rock he reproduces species canonically reproduces by like standing over a lake or something right yeah yeah so yeah that's yeah there you go there's your there's your scene for things happen and then it progresses well yeah the thing that's pretty lame is that they go should we help him and then they go eventually yeah swap those genders yeah it's a double stand if the genders are swapped there's such an outrage do people be pissed as fuck it's sexually harassed by Zeus well I think well you know it was Zeusy getting off pretty late compared to what he used to do look at you and the horse at least he didn't eat you and so kind of my take on this is that like sometimes you can have a comedic scene where someone might you know something funny where it's like oh no something fell off or anything once the issue here is now that there's such being a pushback against it happening to female characters because that type of stuff you know accidentally walking in on someone while they're getting out of their shares like oh no dear and all that stuff happened a decent amount in passing well that's more incidental than purposeful like this is this was actually stripping someone against their consent yeah granted but this is like a I don't know because like my brain is going through this whole thing of like okay so this is an act that's like this is a boundary but like the thing is I could see Thor getting stabbed being played as a joke in this movie and while I wouldn't be cool with that I guess I wouldn't have the same visceral reaction that I'm having to this scene I think it's I think the meta informs it the meta being this was part of the marketing because they knew that people would want to watch it it's kind of hard to separate that like a recognition the thing is sexual assault of man being played as a joke is like a massive trope yeah I felt that we had moved beyond it but this is and you know he clearly doesn't get like sexually assaulted I don't think that qualifies you know what I'm not actually sure it would like if this happened to a woman they would consider it sexual assault that's not even the argument right the argument is I just don't it's not sexual like a Zeus he doesn't consider the specific term is it is a it is a bad thing Zeus doesn't do it on purpose he's trying to remove the cloak and he removes the whole thing but like the whole point is that like this was a massive you was like a massive trope in like the 90s and the 90s of like LOL that man well remember in Fantastic Four every time they fought so hard for every opportunity they get to have Jessica Albert when she was playing like they kept doing it yeah it's just like I don't know we'll see that's a good example the thing is you would never get or at least very rarely be like LOL that woman was raped isn't that funny whereas you would get that in comedy is quite a lot with male characters and I feel like we had I felt that we'd moved beyond that and that's just this feels like that trope creeping back in it's not the full thing it does feel like it's creeping back and I would prefer to be rid of it actually I mean it does seem like a decent amount of people didn't like that though because I remember when the trailer came out there was certainly people who were talking about that and how they didn't like it I think it's because it's not it's so on its face what it is there's no artistry to it there's no cleverness there's no point it's very cynical it's just like if you was having a shower oh well he's having a shower it's fine if it was played seriously this is like a genuine low moment of thought where it's actually emotionally distressing as a scene that's how it's presented that feels about right that's one thing but it's played off as a joke so yeah and then not only is it played off as a joke there is a character who gets you know what this I'm gonna have to without doing spoilers I'm gonna have to make this so big there won't be any point so never mind what were you gonna say I was gonna use a Star Trek example okay I was gonna say not only is it played off as a joke played off as something positive and something fun to be enjoyed because they're like what a great beer let's just enjoy the show oh yeah that's got something about those two doesn't it the characters anyway I think it was something about the matter to be honest I think we're supposed to be in their shoes I am not in their shoes of course not I would be in their shoes if Thor was like hey look at me I'm hot and they're like you are hot Thor and like Thor was like yeah look at me go and we're like yeah we can enjoy this show as we can tell he's not happy with this he clearly didn't want this to happen but it's funny isn't it funny funny we've not mentioned the tattoos I was just about to say wow the next kind of hoping we don't talk about them I'll put it on screen and you guys no I don't want to look at it you were talking about how the Sif was your least favorite in the film this is fine I'm terrified of this does anyone want to join or like sorry I had to step up out for just one moment what are we referring to we are looking at the tattoos on Thor's back so this is a great moment are you implying that tattoos aren't real oh my goodness so we get this this cape is ripped off you get like a couple of seconds of lol Thor is naked and then you get this close up on his back it's like lol look how shit his tattoos are and they're like all a memorial to Loki so just to be clear we've got RIP Loki written in this Norse font right we've got Loki's helmet it's not particularly well drawn it's a bit crude it doesn't look that great it's probably the best thing on this tapestry of fuckery but between the horns this one's a bit hard like this one it's clearly there but your eyes aren't drawn to it as easily so I wouldn't blame anyone for missing it you have a little clip art cartoon save stone oh no that's what that is it's even worse than I thought it was you have the word brothers just written in a squiggly font next to one of the horns you have a rose and more or it's a bit below the screenshot that you've got here but it's like an emoji style broken heart man fuck off it's not elaborate isn't it funny how cringely Thor mourns his dead brother look how cringely he mourns memorial tattoos are a thing shut up free they are a thing this was you know this you were told this on twitter I can't tell for me it's meaning chat to be aware of that I posted a screenshot I can't help but get trouble on twitter this screen capture twitter with the caption kill me I thought that was funny but like instantly I get several replies going what's the problem he has memorial tattoos for his dead brother people get memorial tattoos oh you don't realise this is a joke like do you not see do you not see what they are they genuinely read a script and it says Thor has a memorial tattoo like they haven't seen it now some descriptions of the image an idea that could have been considered that I think would have been interesting would have been if there were memorial tattoos that were less overt for everybody who's died including Odin and Freya his mum time doll and maybe even the warriors 3 if you want to stop making fun of them even if they did that even if they did that having them revealed in this scene would still be a slap in the face it would need to be a simple time where someone walked past he's changing his shirt and someone sees a memorial tattoo and it's like a somber tone and it's a reflection of his loss that would justify right you could have Thor like I don't know this vulnerability has been revealed because of this bridge of his boundaries yeah I didn't know you had tattoos Thor they're quite personal to me we talk about the theme of keeping people arm's length and shutting himself off and not opening up to people and then it's forced on him against his will these vulnerabilities revealed but no it's meant to be funny look at his silly memorial tattoo oh my god you just can't help but make a joke out of any given situation like Laurel Thor's pain isn't that funny isn't that funny like all the shit this character's been through yes then you have to go through this fucking film hey guys unfortunately I'm gonna have to head out I have flights to catch so my time is all gone how much time do we have with you as well Fringy you got me for like two and a half hours that's it someone fun enough I think super chat can't wait for this to be split into two parts of the super chat to come after that I'm just sitting here considering the fact that we still got half the movie left that's kind of my point we did last time we're losing one of our guests that I really want to get their opinion on later stuff in this thing and we don't have a guarantee it's like rags last time isn't it but with Ned Roddick you know we're losing this kind of a similar situation well question Shad if we were to have part two next week would you join us for it would you be available I think I could I'll need to check my schedule but I think it's very likely I'd be able to sweet because yeah that seems like a good logical place you'll lose me next week unfortunately what are you doing I agreed to help a good friend of mine move that was a long time ago yeah well you were too far away I couldn't help you so good wow I could have longed you over here well you didn't metal chips myself just an arm from my window like oh god no slide down well Shad do you want to tell people what you're getting up to these days what they should look out for what they should watch yeah well I mean if people don't know you know because I have a main big channel but I've also started another channel called Nights Watch where we've been doing our own media reviews analysis criticism and stuff lots of fun we've got a excuse me we've got a review of four on there as well there's a whole heap of other commentary stuff so that's been a heck of a lot of fun I have another new channel called the Shadlands which is a more kind of wholesome fun project family vlog homesteading a click to kind of mix of a whole heap of things called the Shadlands so I'm doing that as well lots of stuff wow my goodness and there's a link to the to your main channel in the description I'll have to pop one in for a game nights Nights Watch that's what it used to be it used to be game nights we rebranded as Nights Watch where we do less games and more reviews yeah funnily enough you know I'll send you a message about it I won't say it right now because it's been kind of secret the short vision with the point I was going to make was just that I've enjoyed listening break some stuff down on that oh awesome yeah yeah it's a it seems like you have similar interest sometimes you know that that MCU in that Star Wars ain't doing well are they my goodness yeah the reason we were going to have you on originally was to talk about how you because you love Kenobi you thought it was a fantastic TV show very strange Shad I'm going to say Kenobi got me angry I end up ranting far more than I ever intend to but there are multiple times in many videos I just end up screaming because I get so frustrated with this crap it's been a lot of fun though man Shile plenty more on the way I'm sure well it'll be fun because this film just like all of them goes a little off the rails the further along you get there is one thing that happens in the third act that I'm sure all of us have a lot to say about it might just deal more damage to the MCU than any one thing ever has I'm not sure it's hard to say but yeah man thank you so much for hanging out with us hey guys my pleasure has been absolutely awesome as always always fun to have you on we'll catch you later you probably next weekend on a trip thanks mate alrighty so how is everyone else doing I mean I'm fine but metal my problem is only that I have to work tomorrow I'm technically fine but it is almost 2am and it's working because I suppose the thing to do now would be to have a section of onto some of the Q&A stuff logical thing to do if I'm keeping you from being able to sleep a little bit earlier then no problem I was just thinking to myself yeah you probably wouldn't have been able to make it fully to the certain parts if you were working tomorrow I think I would have maxed it out to like 3am for me but yeah that would be like 6 hours of sleep the part 2 next Sunday or Saturday that'll depend I guess are you busy both days I mean if it's Sunday I'm fine I'm just not around Saturday for the max part I probably won't be around I can tell you during the week I might be around Saturday night I'm actually not 100% sure we'll talk to Chad as well see if he's got both days open or not and then we'll see if we can be a full group back talk about I mean technically I have my forge planned for Sunday again we'll talk about it it's fine if I keep an interferon with your plans every goddamn time well already then is that alright with everybody? we'll go for a chunk of time I have no idea how many of the time but some of it alright voice 1 says today's animal of the day is the goblin shark I think people asked us to look at this one before that's the one with the mouth that's all sharks such a handsome boy oh it's the one in the water I know that one it's like the one with the special mouth special with this is one of the spider-man villains right fuck you spider-man I'm the goblin shark here for the Thor 1 supremacy agenda hey look Thor 1 has good scenes in it let's just calm down alright yes calm down a bit on Thor 1 god I was so tired of the goat joke by the third time it was on screen I agree I was tired by the second one already yeah I don't think I even laughed at the first one I just didn't work for me I'm thinking first time and then the second time being when they burst in to save them in the thingy city that might be the nature of me spreading it out for like the first time I was like oh that's fun I'm enjoying Thor's reaction to the goats and then they cut them in the ship and I'm like oh they're still doing this yeah immediately overstay their welcome like fuck almost like it backfired in terms of them being like oh they're screaming a lot and then he's like ah it's fine and then you know they shoot it so that it's in the face of the camera on their ship as if to say like we underestimated it they're actually pretty annoying and I'm like yeah you know as if you were instead of like haha it's funny that they're annoying please read the pokedex entries for guzz lord sounds hard guzz like with double zed double please guzz lord pokedex entry bulbopedia I guess okay this one already looks terrifying so it's a good start look at that lad oh boy that's a pokemon that seems so good he's from monster hunter let's see here the first one is from sun it has gobbled mountains and swallowed whole buildings according to reports it's one of these ultra beasts okay it must be a very large pokemon apparently a dangerous alt that's from moon a dangerous ultra beast that appears to be eating constantly but for some reason it's droppings have never been found oh it's constipated oh my god deep lore when it dies once it finally reaches its cap and just goes loads let's see that then ultra sun although it's alien to this world it comes from outer space goddamn and a danger here it's apparently a common organism in the world where it normally lives so it has pokemon from outer space it's normal where it's from but not here where it's not from and then we have the last one from ultra moon an unknown life form called a u b I guess it's ultra beast it may be constantly hungry it is certainly always devouring something oh my goodness I mean description wise it's not the most terrifying I've heard I'm just kind of amused by the idea that an extraterrestrial land tries to communicate with humans and they just pack it into these little bowls and they're just like you're a pokemon yeah I was about to say it's not a pokemon that's just a life form from another planet that's just no you're my prisoner now fight for me about it yeah just ate at grimmaldies and they have a special pizza called the dawn cool oh boy hello masses can't stay long just wanted to remind you that Thor told us that you can't get to Valhalla if you die after battle hashtag it was Loki hashtag it was Loki maybe once I didn't listen I was like I said I'm willing to count Loki's death by Thanos as in battle but the Odin one is the one that just throws me it's like that was clearly not a battle death hmm hi rags and friends do y'all often cry when watching movies tv shows and playing games what piece of media has made you cry the most I can get pretty teary eyed I don't know about crying though but um the piece of media that's made me do it the most return of the king hmm if we're going with most I think that's what would be the contender for that yeah and I guess clarification because I don't think anything I don't think I've ever cried in the sense of like you know sobbing um but shed tea is for sure a different bigger payoffs probably gonna go if it was a single piece of media would go to Buffy and Angel as a a whole package I got nothing specific that I could reference right now to be honest I would need to think very hard because I not crying uh yeah I don't know I got nothing um the end of uh the episode of The Simpsons went home or was with his mom and then he's staring up at the stars um as a credits roll that tends to get me every single time all right you're the only one left sorry I wasn't listening media that's made you cry oh a lot I'm very weak and feeble um so most recently was everything everywhere all at once um yeah I I cried a couple of times during that um what else got me I'm sure I've been got recently is by something else as well did stranger things get you um the one that's got me stranger things did not get no strange things did get me um that you know that scene that would have been better if a different thing didn't happen after that scene oh yeah that scene got me yeah that scene is practically fucking designed to do that I think um and also um the uh the other scene where a similar thing happens but a different thing afterwards doesn't happen to make the thing worse the thing not no thing like that happens um that scene um got got me as well and also the scene between Dustin and um Uncle Man that one got me mm-hmm um but more so than anything I think the film I cried at most and it was I think just because of like um personal relation to it you know not rather not like this is the most emotionally and gripping film I've ever seen it's more so like oh personally I have a connection to this was uh uh Coco I really liked and yeah Coco is really good there you go how does it pick some movies I think it's uh Wally like the ending um when Wally's doesn't have his memories that uh man that's really sad what about when C3PO lost his memories I was actually on someone in chat I just wanted to confirm Ray you cried when Ray said Ray Skywalker right yes I mean it's a powerful moment in cinema Ray Skywalker right and then and then the lady is like that's not true you're a liar tell me the truth let's give it a blaster give me your money I'm robbing you probably of course it goes without saying but we all uh bawled like little babies of course in Pokemon 2000 when Ash turned a stone when he was trying to stop the battle between Mew and you two oh yeah I'm pretty sure I saw that in the cinema I think I did when I said pretty sure after that I was like I think hi Rax hello please read chainsaw man it's about a man with a chainsaw for a head chainsaw for a head yeah seems awkward but I'm alright it's anime manga I don't think there's an anime yet I'm just warning Rax so he's not getting baited hey all did you guys notice the really strange bit of ADR of Hayden yelling Obi-Wan right as Obi-Wan walks away they hold a shot on Vader's face Hayden's mouth is visible and his mouth doesn't move that's the best kind of ADR when you can see his mouth is not moving well I'd have to check it but I could believe it of course Obi-Wan movie boss level has that a lot it was a bad movie I covered in the forge now I saw someone on twitter say that they thought that him screaming Obi-Wan was better than screaming Kenobi which do you guys prefer do you prefer Obi-Wan or Kenobi I feel like he'd call him Obi-Wan he wouldn't call him Kenobi oh sure I guess I'm just saying which visceral guttural scream do you prefer like in terms of overall as a scream oh I can't remember I don't know I prefer Kenobi I don't know I enjoy I enjoy that one it's just the way that he screams it it's just really it's pretty brava brava you know one of my one of my favorite little screaming name things this is gonna be really odd but it's in the page master when Dr. Jekyll transforms and as he turns around and he says mr hide I always thought that was super creepy oh you're super creepy stop sending me your underwear in the mail please why I would never waste good musky underwear on the likes of J on the likes of J not allowed I don't think that you're allowed to declare that you wouldn't give your underwear to a Jewish person you must give the Jews your underpants your undergarments I don't think that's I think you've gone too far in the opposite direction now giving them your underpants giving a Jewish person your underwear is morally neutral well no compared to the fact that the person is Jewish does not change the morality of the situation of giving them your underwear unless I guess unless there's like some kind of if it was mixed fabrics and you gave it to him specifically for that reason maybe I wouldn't know anything about that because one of God it's one of God's very useful helpful rules the whole don't wear mixed fabrics things what's been God's origin story is that you read that that's fucking bullshit I'm just killing this guy that was so great does it sound like you just like seeing people get stabbed or something I didn't think I had to confirm that it was pretty obvious it stabbed his nuts how you mentioned before I love the metal bands like Iron Maiden and Avantasia out of curiosity are you a fan of ghost or Judas Priest so a bit from them but not my preference my friends interrupted me watching prestige for the first time to catch this garbage opening day thankfully prestige is one of the best movies I've ever seen and watched my brain of this tribe oh that's good nice I'm watching a while till we watch it I like that movie it's neat it's good show it to me for the first time I showed like everybody I'm like hey now wings quote of the day he started making sneak disses towards me and that's why he got banned like calling me a one pump plump chump chimp one pump plump chimp that's a sneak dis that's a sneak dis okay now he's saying you're a fat simian premature ejaculator it's pretty pretty hurrah hi rags you ever get your black widow exclusive commemorative cinema popcorn bucket from ebay no I didn't I never did I'll leave it there for someone else a truth I'll leave it there for the true fans to collect damn bye rags goodbye where is Smiler is he safe is y'all right yeah he's safe he spends a little less time on the internet these days though I did make him see Thor your monster which is funny because he really liked ragnarok yeah this should be fun what he said when he came out with cinema was that is the most factory produced thing I've ever seen yep um Darth Vader voice did you really think you could defeat me you lied to me you hate of me the misery oh gosh why not just do it uh oh today is my birthday watching Thor 4 in an hour that's a decision I guess yeah well happy birthday birthday you can oh also rags you googled it wrong it's not SRRT1 it's PRRT1 stands for Pennsylvania Railroad amazing design also faster steam engine ever huh don't you Pennsylvania Railroad that's one of the monopoly railroads right Pennsylvania Railroad also Thor is not a name it's a people it's a people it's not a name it's a peephole oof uh Tycho Waititi asking Natalie if she wants to be in Star Wars finally as a step down from him digging up Christopher Lee's grave and asking the corpse do you want to be in Star Wars with the opportunity of a lifetime um that would be weird though because grave robbing is like that would be somewhat more unsettling I think yeah there's a couple of elements that are kind of fine it's all for comedy oh well if you did it as a joke that would be funny they catch him in the act he's like it's a joke it's a joke oh you you you jokester you I've been playing Shovel Knight again recently and my favorite boss so far is Plague Knight a green plague doctor that uses vials of goo to make explosions I don't remember that boss does it um okay fine greetings e-fappers hope all is well and I'm happy I could make it today happy fapping gents oh thank you oh thank you very much we did have some pretty happy fappin any fapp shared is uh just just generally better I feel like a tree inside a circle watching the sunrise is that a reference I have no idea what that means does that make you a sundial does that make you a sundial a tree inside of a circle watching the sunrise I have no idea what that means I ain't got nothing for it neither nothing for it neither how to character assassinate a jawa obi one how much jawa talks in cute obi one that's too much I'd buy a half jawa puts down the item and then says look here look listen listen also molla streamer mgr melgier rising is it hell yeah um molla it is me jay owner of e-fap what do you just stream a playthrough of jedi fallen order in case you fail to comply I will have to fire you sincerely your loving boss jamond extra terrestrial synom roberto if you're gonna use your one like free identity theft of me to make a demand of molla why go for a full playthrough of fallen order that's weak weak so make him play something good really bad people like fallen order jay I'll have you know I found that I got given to be quite mediocre like yeah it's exactly right it's just a mediocre mid game of like oh it's fine I guess like I can't imagine like a more boring thing to make you stream like oh well I guess there are probably quite a few things but you know it's just a very boring I would recommend many other games before I'd recommend fallen order like if I was gonna force molla to play one probably go for like I don't know something nautica yes I would love to force you through to stream subnautica although it will probably become apparent very quickly if it was going to be an entertaining stream or not because if like that became particular style of horror doesn't have an effect on you which has every chance it won't but it might it might just be like oh okay I would get submersed into the submersiveness of it yeah I would love to force you with the game submers your expectations I think so what are you waiting for Jay make a pun it's herculean not herculean you massives you're a massive I keep up to date with all these pronounce lies you guys sit in the top of the theater we're in the front I am for the middle I sit in the middle because the middle is going to generally have that big open aisle so that you can cross through the middle of the theater which means that there's a row in the middle where you can where you can sit I'm not that picky just not too far forward not too far back and generally is close to the center of the aisle as possible like but like yeah it's fine I always go all the way in the back if I can and then the middle hell yeah so if you have the screen up here and apparently getting scammed for my premium seats because they're normal everywhere else the premium seats that are standard in Australia we don't have those well I love senior cameo and it's a Gundam's video love your videos lately rags keep it up oh thank you very much yeah that was quite strange he was like talk about in Kenobi if you want to he was like you know what you can pick any topic and I gunned for Uncle Owen that piece called Uncle Steen people still talk about Stranger Things Season 4 and they've already forgotten about Kenobi character work is really important also blind man a mini when high rag hello I don't know exactly when that will happen but it will and as for it's pretty obvious Stranger Things is like staying power social media wise was either about Max or Eddie totally character based often is Kenobi like I mean I'm not going to say it disappeared instantly there were some people who were like oh my god so meaningful but like there's just not much to dig out of that show yep yeah there's nothing of lasting impact in that show whatsoever it's very much I mean if you're in it for nostalgia and aesthetic and just references then it just won't last it's just won't last they introduced another OP character love appears to be an avatar of eternity one of the most powerful entities in marble uh yeah she has powers when you hit the end we'll get to that uh that'll be the last thing we get to actually yes basically you are correct and I've heard that eternity is apparently powerful obviously we've never heard of it before because they didn't plan for any of this it's how powerful it is it is the power to remain a secret in the narrative just as thank you no problem Morbu is greater than MCU phase 4 Morbius well I haven't seen Morbius so yeah sure I doubt it beats no way home but I agree just by default any random movie I guess that's the more interesting thing is that it might be better um it's just kind of funny the perception yeah the Sony Marvel movie is shit it's like you know what it's also not been very good lately maybe it's time finally time to Morb succumb to it I wonder if they're gonna make a sequel like uh that film made money but it probably didn't make as much money as they would they're like the team up movie right well so I know that um because madame web that films got like a pretty extensive cast so it's kind of like it leads to the conclusion that that's gonna be like a lot of spider-man characters will be in that film it's like they're really um they're in a rush to like get their spider-man adjacent universe up and running and they're probably making a good decision by doing so really it's um they're never gonna not make Sony's gonna hold on to those spider-man rights but like as as much as they can there was like the best investment they've ever made like that was that was such a smart decision to buy spider-man film rights yeah well they for seven million dollars as well right was it only seven million it was uh I think it was if they paid 25 million they would have gotten access to all of uh the Marvel film rights but they said that the only thing anybody got about was spider-man correct to a degree well uh at the time X-men uh unless they didn't have access to X-men at that point X-men didn't they but I don't know when they bought the rights to spider-man compared to when Fox bought the rights to X-men because X-men was huge in the 90s X-men was like massive uh at the time and I guess if they didn't have access to X-men then yes but well of course spider-man is like the most popular Marvel superhero so yeah out of context EFAP you remember Jabba the Hutt I'm gonna ruin him that's a quote okay I don't remember saying that uh no give me that hot cream no give it to us can I please drink the hot cream yeah I'll give it to you it just sort of slips into your throat you didn't even say that okay wait what's the uh what's the average what's the volume of like a standard bathtub and how much hot cream do you have I think the volume of the standard bathtub is silent yeah shut up rags I'm gonna fill you with hot cream no don't fill me with hot cream hot rags you sticky slimy the rise of skywalker it's like it makes me actually shiver the rise of skywalker versus endgame which is worse written the rise of skywalker versus endgame I'm not gonna lie skywalker is certainly funnier yeah would you right I have no clue I won't need to rewatch both because I haven't seen them in a long time I think I'll go with endgame because it does more endgame's got crazy time travel stuff and there is a lot of character stuff in there too it's just people don't tend to think about it and I think it helps that we didn't have many characters at that point to ruin in star wars they were all dead and gone pretty much by that point so endgame kind of was the it was the one that put him in the coffin so to speak and for that reason having less to ruin doesn't mean it's better written it just means that it can do less damage less offsetting it should do less damage no I would still say that endgame's a worse written movie it does seem that way to me it seems like it does way more damage in how incongruous it is it's more some movies are more obviously bad than others and I think that the rise of skywalker is a more obviously bad film where as endgame takes a bit of endgame people are hoping it'll be good the scale I want to put it on is that rise of skywalker is more conspicuously embarrassing it's high on the embarrassing scale you cannot miss the problems with that it is very embarrassing I also just don't remember anything from the star wars movie that I liked enjoyed so I don't know it's just because endgame's got like parts endgame has legitimately good stuff in there yeah it's just that in its totality taken together like endgame only really the parts that you like have to be taken in a vacuum without much regard for anything else in that film or like the broader series yeah eternity is the living embodiment of the universe cool okay feels like that concept was wasted I feel like you made that up they never waste anything it's for comedy the fact that we will never get a continuation to infinity wars Thor will always be tragic to me also hi Fringy, hi Jay, hi Mola, hi Moodle hi Shad, hi Rax hello I mean yeah I mean if you took over from Tiger's work you probably would be like can we just just generate a movie that takes on from that timeline that goes a different direction please why not right a different worlds stranger things hi Longman and hi Rax hello hello remember every Thor movie is bad so it's fine I honestly feel like if we got a Thor movie after this movie we could actually do some really significant repairs though I think you could still yeah but it's possible I would consider having an actual fucking Mephisto introduced that's been fucking with all the characters in the MCU he's been messing with everybody's brains it was me Barry wow that's for the best flash but not only it would take ages to work on this but I think you could seriously make some good repairs with that well yeah because everybody's been acting insane pretty much it'll I guess it would take away from the stakes the character stakes of all these movies be it like yeah it wasn't bad but that's been so bad that like they're out of character it's worth it as a trade yeah or maybe we'll be watching the bizarro universe like in the MCU where referencing Kang is like no we'd want to make this good like we want Mephisto's goal is to fuck with people he had a goal so chaos and disorder yeah and he's like and what would it take what levels would I have to push in people and what can I make them think aren't options just try and make something out of it and yeah you can repair so many people by doing this it's like you made him an apathetic fool who wanted to eat loads of food just to see if he could also I don't know how you'd write it to make it more interesting than that but I don't know that would be one way to try and reset and repair oh oh boy it's all fucked whatever happened to the Aquaman e-fat movies it is still being edited as far as I know it is still boring you will get it and you'll get the batwoman one ones rather but remember Mooler Steiner because an extra bumped his head on a sci-fi movie 40 years ago it's okay that Thor's a little clown boy now I wonder if that guy knows the legacies left behind I saw someone say that someone else said he died in 2016 the guy who played that guy I don't know if that's true but it was oddly specific for it to be a lie I guess sad face have any of you seen the Filmento video where he says Age of Ultron is better than Avengers 1 I am aware of that wow really I know that one of the arguments he makes is about the whole color grading stuff okay at least I think so but I'm pretty sure he as well argues like the writing is better I'm pretty sure come on Age of Ultron it's really great fodder for an e-fat coverage but it's just hard Age of Ultron yes pretty sure it's in his you know like where Age of Ultron succeeded where Avengers failed I mean it's more like the other way around really okay man alright it's one of the videos that made me unsubscribe from him ages ago oh no who's this Filmento the one that when we come in first people are like leave him alone he's got lots of interesting things to say dude people said that about Hytop then we come in him twice he says it happens every time the tomorrow one was that that was it let him finish no go back let him finish too please don't let him finish don't even let him start good times don't let him spot don't let him spot everyone you dumboes really need to look at Satina World of Birds not only is it a good spec Evo it has amazing stories about sapient species facing their death what's a spec Evo it's a kind of Evo yeah I guess it's a kind of Evo I don't know sounds like rags satisfied with that answer this week processing I'm not you know what I'm fine to move on I didn't really care that much it's one of those things you care about if the answer comes quickly but it takes a while to get an answer then you're like I don't care that much chat says a species evolution or speculative evolution one of the two there you go that's as fast as I could come up with I really like that I should have known what that was well you didn't know you're stupid get fucked any Bibleridian fans in chat fuck it just call you guys and adds any Christians fans of the Bibble Meridian Bibble I play while watching Thor my eyes kept drifting away from the screen and I began to zone out thinking about my taxes oh no what a great sign favorite original track from Stranger Things Season 4 I think I wouldn't remember me either is super underrated as a track I don't know the names of the tracks I'm afraid just how does it go I don't even have a favorite from the soundtrack I like Stranger Things soundtrack basically as a whole like all the seasons I mean I think that the main theme is really great I like it it's so moody it's fucking cool the whole intro is cool it's so simple but sets the mood I agree synthwave well that's probably not synthwave it's probably a different sub genre of like electronic oh maybe it is I kept checking my watch to see how much time it passed this film feels so long but it feels not much happened I felt the movie just went by like nothing it was a bit of a superposition for me where I could have told you I felt like it was lasting way too long and I wanted it to end but also it was going so fucking fast same here same here I think when they were fighting in the I think well maybe it's the same for you guys but when they were fighting in the shadow realm I was sort of there like is this the end when they were on the moon I thought that that was the final fight and the movie would be over and I would finally in the trailer there was like some weird sort of temple place that they had gone to so that's why I was confused like it feels like we're leading to an end point here and yet we're not we haven't done enough work it's really difficult sometimes to argue pacing but like this one everyone seems to think the pacing is off pacing is complicated because there is no strict structure that all films should follow and some films are going to take like the pacing it's sort of a gut feeling like something's wrong and that's not like great as a thing to appeal to qualitatively anyway but in this case amount of progress and information for time you can't have too much and you can't have too little it's like this fucking golden rule that's really hard to get and I don't think you'll ever satisfy everybody with it I mean that applies to everything but this one just flies so fast yet at the same time it's just like but we're not done yet though right intuitive understanding with a lot of films of no but we've still got more we need to do we've still got more work ahead of us narratively to be honest even after this I'd still look forward to any independent projects from Taika Waititi though I'm scared to forget Guardians of the Galaxy 3 I mean you should probably be scared for that anyway that's probably fair that's part of the Marvel thing I guess until I think otherwise the shot in the dark I don't know what I'm going to get from him now yeah I think that he thinks this film is funny that's like I'm sure he doesn't think it's funny yeah hard to believe yeah he thinks that eFap on EID how did I get so lucky Mola is gay gay EID I don't know EID um extinction oh no interdimensional dinosaur whoa dinosaurs I've been falling 30 minutes is one of my favorite jokes in the MCU none of the jokes in this movie come close it's so funny it's great there's loads of really fucking good jokes in Ragnarok oh what happened I bet Tiger things the MCU is just comic stuff but Kiz if you ruin a dramatic moment or ruin a character it's all just goofy comic nonsense anyway oh who Kiz if you I mean you know that you wouldn't feel that way when you actually talked to him about some of the stuff that happens in Jojo Rabbit you know that you'd be like why wouldn't there be a joke here he'd be like because that would be inappropriate yeah maybe it's just like his own project that this is like a Marvel thing and maybe there's a different attitude that he takes in terms of but Ragnarok this is my Hitler and I don't want him to be in it he might genuinely not take the MCU seriously as artwork like he might just be like this is my money work um but didn't he he pushed back against the Martin Scorsese thing remember so I suppose we could go the agile if we want to get really thingy about it that he's just trying to ensure that he has the work for the future right I don't trust directors like this kind of interprofessionals public comments on anything like ultimately everything they say would just be a thing that they had to say um I guess or a thing that they said for their career yeah maybe maybe Jane talks about interstellar so Christopher Nolan movies exist in the MCU the dark night trilogy exists in the MCU Gore is Batman and the MCU can and maybe be funny if you watch like yeah Batman is like wait wait a minute huh that fella you can't look like me fucking incest hello dude I swear you just said fucking incest hello dude yeah it's basically the same thing both those things make me feel the same thing discussed arousal Ron Gilbert doesn't deserve hate for the art style of return to monkey island of monkey island let this man create his work and give it a fair chance return to monkey island is the new one that's coming out right I don't know anything about this I don't even know Ron Gilbert was I think uh oh I'm pretty sure he's the guy who made monkey islands and I think they're making a new one um um I didn't even know that there was like any controversy surrounding that game yeah I didn't know either got nothing for that one Nebula immediately trying to kill the goats was by far my favorite part of the movie also hi rags hello um I did not appreciate her trying to kill the goats they were just having a really stressful day yeah it seems a bit much to me because I'm envisioning like he gets the shot off brain is just blasted over the walls and I should be like yeah and then the other one starts screaming even more I don't think it resolves anything like this doesn't this I can't teach you anything violence begets violence exactly yeah go the god butchera is one of the most metal names for a supervillain ever not gonna lie um yeah sorry I'm actually now thinking about this this might be a topic so apparently there's um the on the subject of the last of us remake I think it's being sold for full price but it doesn't have the multiplayer that the original game had it'll be worth it now I don't know if this is a hot take but uh last of us had really great multiplayer mode I really liked that multiplayer I played it for like a year is like my main multiplayer game I didn't last of us has really cool multiplayer it well what was really interesting about it is um I think that the design of that game shine better in the multiplayer than it did in the single player because you are competing with other players with the same attributes as you and you don't have the bad AI as a factor so it's like you've got to deal with crafting and um uh inventory management against other players who also have the same tools it's um it's really fun I'm not quite sure why last of us too didn't have multiplayer nor why you would do a remake of the first game without multiplayer and I think it's hard to rationalize selling a remake of a game with less content for more money I was really uh really missed that they didn't have multiplayer and doom eternal I really enjoyed the 2016 doom multiplayer I think you were uh you were in the minority I remember uh I remember total biscuit didn't like it much at all I remember at the time he really liked the single player but the multiplayer was not I think the multiplayer is quite there's a lot to like about the multiplayer for 2016 doom there's a lot of really good maps great modes there's a good amount of balance and variety in the weapons that you choose and I think it was really well paste consolidation of resources like you know if you if you get the um if you get the feedback single player was great multiplayer and I uh I think it makes a lot of sense to consolidate all of your resources into building a really good single player mode in your next one um I guess in the last of us two it didn't really pay off there's not a uh there's not really a huge improvement in the mechanics at all in some respects like the dogs was not a um that was not a great we've talked about that right the dog enemies I don't think that they work pretty well dog enemies are just dogs in video games as enemies are often very poorly done they're just they're very often either annoying or they're just horrifically balanced or they do they're just frustrating I think um the way I would explain it is that in stealth games um it's it's really into it's it's not even intuitive it just makes sense it's really easy to account for sites depending on the sound engine in the game it's pretty easy to account for the sounds that you're making um it's really hard to account for your odor or your scent you know when when having to deal with enemies you need to avoid like what what what can I do as a player to understand the scent that I have left behind and how the dog is going to be able to track me through this environment what am I meant to do how can I know this without using the um because I had that in the super duper eyesight mode it involves scent though like a lot of my most annoying dogs come from from software games they don't use what I would do is if I was going to have scent and dogs in a stealth game is they'd be like a special type of enemy um they would if you were within a certain proximity of them they would very slowly track you but as long as you moved you could easily move away from them because they would track you very slowly and there would be an animation where they like sniff around to tell if they're in range or not but they very slowly come after you so you'd have to keep moving though it wouldn't be necessarily difficult you could sneak you could sneak faster than they could move but you would have to keep moving you couldn't just sit down it could be really well implemented because I think I agree that that's a better way to do it because in the last year or two they had a little warning prompt that would say the dog has caught your scent it's like how is this not a failure of game design that you need text to tell me yeah you need to make this diagetic which is easy to do because dogs do things like move and make noises yeah like if you went and then they're like I think he's got something and then that's how you know rather than literal text box omnipotent text box saying you have the scent has been caught and someone might be like isn't that what it is when it's a detected thing it's like I think detected is a little more that one is still integrated better and that there's like a little prompt on their head usually they'll shout something if they've seen you or go like huh so like a lot of games will even allow you to turn off the detection signal because there's enough features built into the game that you know when you've been found sound design is a big part of it text box saying you have been noticed yeah it's and remember the only way that you could track what the dog knew was with the super duper sight like the eagle vision thing that showed you the dog and your trail but I can't like tell that visually in the same way that if I walk out in front of a dude who's seen me I can tell that he can see me because he's looking at me and I'm really close you know like just have the dog the dog is sniffing around that's the animation visually you could hear it sniffing for you and if you need to exaggerate the sniffing noise a little bit just for the gameplay stuff that's fine you know and as long as it's that thing you hit where oh now you're starting to encounter dogs every once in a while on these levels which means that if they get too close you can't just chill in a spot forever and do a little bit of pressure that you have to move around a little bit um and that can you know you can just tweak how difficult you want that to be it could be not a big deal at all or it could be a big one it's up to you as the designer that's where the talent comes in um well I'm gonna bounce now because it's getting late goodbye my dog uh yeah so we just what the day will be for the other one I sure will and Chad if you want to see me and Fringy's opinions to the fullest already we did a mettle's fortune yesterday go check that out I thought it was a very good episode three hours of madness it is three hours of madness absolutely uh I don't know which link you put down there I don't know if it's the fortune or not I haven't checked but just look for mettle's fortune you'll find it uh I checked you can find it but that wording it's great uh yeah and now I'll go to bed alright then see you soon guys bye bye even more Chad or else I want Chad to be a regular I'm he's got his own show that he runs regularly he can't be a regular on another show nobody does that's ridiculous it's not possible the totality of shtad content there's a good amount of it on a weekly basis it's like it's like eFap where you're like I wish they did more episodes and then you go oh there's 200 of them okay I'll check that out do it a few years I wish to request the most aggressive chorus of the present host guests can muster also salutations rackleton I don't think you know what you're asking for that was the most aggressive you got I feel like you're holding back them hmm no I went as high pitch as I can that's about as what is that when they're asking high pitched oh well they said most aggressive I suppose you can interpret that because most aggressive to me seems like screaming it very loudly while doing it I always thought the joke with that especially going back to good old Malignan is where it's like that's where it's at it's peak it's like the absurdity the clowny nature of it like the more intense it gets the more high pitched and silly it gets where screaming isn't really silly it's more scary chat just said y'all are weird I don't know why they would have said that at this point everything would be very normal very normal um there you go that sounds a bit more like uh Jeremy though yeah I know yeah that's what my mind went through I really like the idea that one person in chat right now is thinking who the fuck is Jeremy who's Jeremy and why did he go there are some people who will be like oh they be geeks and gamers they'll be like yeah he makes that noise every time he jumps into a cold so it's like no the quartering Jeremy you're like wait how many Jeremy's are there every Jeremy Jeremy from CinemaSins that's who we mean oh no we mean Jeremy Clarkson you know what CinemaSins would be improved pretty immensely instead of the ding it just went BOOM what do you think like and when they I used to change the sound up a lot for a joke it was really fun but when they removed the sin it should go backwards like backwards backwards that was really good yeah I'm proud of my I don't know it's just it seems to come naturally yeah I mean once my when I was living in student accommodation when my flatmates came in I was like are you recording and he made the weirdest noise he could and I was like thanks for that and then he said can that be the same counter and I was like yeah that whole audio got into the episode that was on Shrek 2 I believe wow other than much by the way speaking of CinemaSins I'm actually like tired of how long it's taking for the culture to turn on you know like this popular tweets or threads whatever when they just go and ruin an entire generation of critics to be like I wanted to turn over to stop blaming CinemaSins for everything he hasn't been relevant for fucking ages no one cares nobody talked about well how many views do they get on their video but the thing is like nobody is ever gonna cite them as inspiration no and I guess as I pull it up even though their videos still get a good amount of view well not as good as they used to be every single thing they've released in um the last few months has been less than a million views but I mean still it's like hundreds of thousands of views but but yeah you're right like despite they're kind of like the avatar of of like movie you know everyone knows about it no one like latched on to it then nobody's favorite channel it'd be like it's almost ruined movies and you'd be like did it for a long time I really enjoy watching the videos I don't really understand what I got out of them now because I remember um my art got into like this is how I started right like I I wouldn't have been able to make a series on them if I wasn't like pretty deep into them at that point having realized that they actually kind of suck um yeah but my art started with like honest trailers videos they're really funny and they are they're really well written they're really good comedy actually maybe they're not anymore I don't know I haven't watched them in a while but like they definitely used to be um I started watching cinemas and they're like okay if I want like they're longer so if I need but they're not as good so like um and then eventually I just started wanting that more content so much that I started to prefer cinema sense to honest trailers and eventually became like the channel I watched most and then I started shitting on them the one thing that the comment that they made um that was like that really got me going on these guys aren't actually very good are they was uh you guys remember the shot at the beginning of force awakens where you see the silhouette of a star destroyer in front of a planet yeah um he says why is this star destroyer's shadow so big on this planet I couldn't I couldn't tell you myself I don't know how I have no clue why that would be the case are you memeing or yeah I am memeing I figured yeah it's so played so straight I couldn't tell it's on the delivery it is all pretending to be retarded sure it's on there except it's like I wish it was pretend you need a vital organ or limb replaced which do you choose wait for someone to die so you can have it or growing an identical clone of yourself and taking said vital organ so um with it right yeah an identical clone of myself um would be person yeah I think that's the question is so yeah I do believe an identical clone of myself would also that would just be murder at that point um yeah so like the same way that you you don't have full control over your kids autonomy you don't have like a clone is the same thing as just having a kid my clone the clone owns himself it is like sentient and alive and um and capable of making choices um your clone would be if we're talking about scientifically feasible cloning here rather than like you've popped into a machine and like a duplicate has popped out who is like an exact couple in your life even then they're their own person but like that's a separate thing um if we're talking about like scientifically feasible cloning where you just create someone identically identical to yourself they're gonna be less similar to you than like an identical twin would be because they have grown up in a completely different context at a different time um well yeah they're biologically you but they're not you yeah they're not they're not you they're just a different person I think genetically they'll be more similar to you than an identical twin would be however I'm not sure though I don't know I'm pretty sure that would be 100% genetically identical right I don't know how cloning processes well I thought the question was that they were like a cloning process why would you even say that that's something political well as in like no as in like I'm talking about like the side perfection of the cloning process cloning has happened um it's not like cheap right and I don't know if like a cat's a clone is more similar is more genetically similar than a like just an identical twin cat because like like the both processes I'm gonna go ahead and assume this is not based on our reality because it involves just taking the life of a human clone well like I don't think humans have been cloned but it's plausible I think I don't see any reason why they couldn't be I don't see why it wouldn't be plausible you know this is not a thing that you have an option to do is my point IRL it's hypothetical we know that it's a hypothetical yeah you don't need to worry about finding out from real life how viable cloning processes are I don't just the whole point was just that like this person who is not you will be less similar to you than like just a twin would be if you had an identical twin oh I mean I figured that would be more similar but I don't think it matters if we're talking about like who they are as a person they are in different circumstances to you I thought you said genetically I thought other than genetically possibly right they might be more similar but I don't know if they would be more similar well I guess at that point it depends on that it inform our perspective on what makes a person a person how much of it is your experiences and how much of it is just like how your brain works in terms of personality they would develop in the kind of decisions they would make they will be more different to you than a twin would likely be a twin was raised in similar circumstances to you well so what I'm saying is it would be interesting to observe the similarities and differences and then try and figure out how much of who you are is down to your genetics versus how much of it comes down to your lived experiences also I wonder how long is I wonder if embryos can be frozen like what's the word I'm looking for the cryogenically it's a basic word that I know it's just not coming to my brain one sperm goes into an egg and the no that process is called not fertilize conception conception conception conception so yeah we're inseminated there's another one right that's a process of fertilization embryo could be frozen freeze fucking hell frozen after conception because then you could have genetically identical people being raised at very different times because I've frozen some my stuff so I can have kids maybe and that lasts for like 70 years that's neat we're going to have you what was that I thought it was clear wasn't it opinion I think we answered the question though it seems like we're all in agreement that killing the clone would just be murder yeah so when they present the option of I can wait for a vital organ to come from someone dying some horrible accident just organ donor list versus rowing a clone and killing it and taking that organ yeah I would consider it unconscionable to grow a fucking human being just to steal their organs and let them die well have you seen how fortuitous we talked about Kenobi and now we're talking about this but have you seen the island yes I think I have that's Michael Bay it's Michael Bay well who knows the standards now I wonder how like Transformers 2 is like absolute nonsense but I would be so curious to see where Transformers 2 would stack up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe now like where does it rank compared to Phase 4 projects interesting the word in comic is a symbiote though are the shadow monsters was made by god of symbiotes yeah but they probably don't have access to the symbiote they're missing on those words oh but I guess to answer the question I'm at I'm guessing that I don't know what the nature is with Sony like symbiotes or the third god skin boss yeah he does kind of look like the god skin lads Disney Star Wars seems to really not like using aliens well they find we're using aliens that look like humans sorry Disney Star Wars probably doesn't like aliens and I don't like that upsets me wait Bill Nye was David Jones Bill Nye and Bill Nyee are two different people I can't science bro it was weird for me because Bill Nyee was the one that I knew really well first I didn't really know Bill Nye at all it was sort of an American culture thing I think right and so when people would even partially mention someone called Bill Nye I thought it was Bill Nyee yeah and then we're both just dramatically confused cause it's just like we're not at all talking about the same thing I wonder how different a person's name could be before it's possible to make that mistake Steve Johnson I thought he was called Dave Smith John Smith yeah I feel like that it just goes past this invisible eye you know is killing a god like eating Pringles once you pop can't stop yeah apparently I vowed to now kill all the gods like okay like Arthur got his name the character in the first episode of smiling friends that felt good oh why don't I remember his name the one that that's his name the smiling friends are here that was important that impression it had to be made Desmond Desmond the smiling friends are here imagine if a person of different color wronged you and you decide to kill all you know I made the joke in the stream different wait what's the joke the gore was wronged by a god so he decides to kill all gods I referenced the that's why I became a racist yeah yeah I can't stop thinking about it it's one of my favorite lines of dialogue in anything ever and I never hear anyone else reference it pretty good wow that makes us really want to see it well I can start giving reports I have seen the first two episodes gradually going through it whenever I got food to eat that was the process in which I throw on some random shit sometimes and that is currently the boys that's how I did stranger things and then I was like oh shit it's actually like not cringe and then I was like that's how I did stranger things and then I was like oh shit it's actually not cringe the boys though is pretty cringe it's better than season 2 the first two episodes I've seen but they're still like more so they will at this point I just don't know how anything fucking makes any sense you guys know how like Homelander they've got that leverage on him from the airplane footage yeah like everything to do with that in season 2 is fucking ass but like in this season they still got it and then like they're trying to figure out who's gonna join the 7 and the bosses of Vaught put Starlight as a co-captain to try and get a better image for Vaught and Homelander's like annoyed by this but he suggests the deep rejoin and then she's like I'm not gonna have the fucking guy who mouth raped me on the team and then Homelander's like oh yeah well you can't stop me and then she's like I'll release the video and then he's like go ahead release the video because then I'll have nothing to lose and I'll just kill and destroy everything I was just like is that really that's the conclusion of the leverage we had on him in season 2 he just said I don't care I thought that was the conclusion in the first place though where he said I'll kill everyone and then Mae was like yeah but they'll all hate you so that's enough for me because basically we defined then we've lost our leverage on Homelander in season 3 he's scary again why would you introduce the leverage and then just say he just says I don't care they never knew what they were going to do which is odd when I think they knew before season 2 ended that they were gonna have a third season and they had to have known because the show was so popular there's also like this classic lame writing to me the character who blows people's heads up you know so she and Hughie have been working together and they're really good friends for a whole year that's the gap between season 2 and 3 and then like this guy he just comes in the office and he doesn't speak to her and refers to her by her name that's not her name and Hughie's like that's strange and then like when she's leaving work the guy is again they're like hey and calling her by her name that's not her name he follows them they go into an alley and she's like no and then they get into a fight and she explodes his whole body and Hughie sees all of it and he's like oh my god she's a soup and she's evil I thought the whole point of the setup in season 2 was gonna be that that would be unknown for a while it's just a really boring way to get that information revealed like oh well there you go some person from her past comes up to her and is like you're the person that you're not saying you are oh no you blew me up and Hughie saw the whole thing alright there you are I guess so I don't know this is all very like I'm watching it not watching it not too interested I'll probably go through the season and then just tell you guys about the stupidest things that I see but like I'm just not too invested doing like an eFab episode for it you know and you guys haven't seen it so this is probably not gonna work out but I've seen people say like they were enjoying the season up until the end and I'm already like I already don't think it's well written and I haven't gotten you a close to the end so oh nooo they do um there's just a lot of like really just like basic as fuck writing where they're like hey butcher mpv is a thing and then butchers like I don't fucking want to be like you disgusting assholes and goes to throw it away doesn't and then his next mission involves like fucking around with soups and so it's like yeah you're probably gonna need that temp v because you wouldn't want to get killed and I was just thinking to myself like well but isn't that what he's always done he's dealt with soups his whole life he never had temp before and then they put him in a situation where he's close to getting killed by a soup we have to take the temp v and I was just like yep I guess that's the way you do it I guess yeah I don't know I just like that wasn't interesting to me at all it's just like butcher you want to go after the soups don't you well they they they can hurt you so what if we made a storyline where you end up getting a soup power but yeah I'm interested in seeing what they do with this soldier boy just because I do like Jim so I was telling Jay about this actually you want to know one of his lines the first time you get any footage of him at all like the 1950s or something this is MAGA country no but you know I wouldn't surprise they eventually go with some of that because it's the boys they write to you so fucking on the nose but he says to a girl he keeps trying to get in like a girl's pants and she's like and eventually he's like you know maybe if you were a little nicer you'd find a man and you can stop being captain lesbo like and then he goes you should smile more I was just like fucking hell you guys are so good at this I like because it's so subtle yeah they just really really good at it and I think there's some people out there who just be like god this is so fucking biting I love it the satire is so top-notch instead of just being like wow that was easy he's a misogynism so yeah I don't know I'll keep updating you on my adventures with boys but 1.5 hours in and we're at the opening scene can't wait for part two next week and hearing this super chat right out next week after that hello rag of the future hi wrong well they were right about half of that yeah about me in the future yeah that was also true the only part they missed was when we read that message out you know they did pretty well I want to score on them go go go ones coming out soon don't worry about it infinity scorns oh uh hi rags a rock oh hello I want shads nights on here please please please all of them how many nights does he have is it three remember I think there's a maximum of four on his watch parties and stuff I do uh love and thunder is a two hour SNL skit yeah I agree it's starting to get to the point where it's really hard to escape into the world of the MCU you know it feels all very tacky and fake uh Fringies rant about wanting more aliens over humans is the transformers community in a nutshell we're pretty anti-human most of the time hi rags hello I think I'm yeah I mean you want to see more of the transformers than humankind what you don't love Sam Witwicky you know what next thing next thing you know Fringy will be saying oh I don't want to see Godzilla what I want to see is a bunch of people talking in offices and some military guys and I want drama I want family drama from some people I don't want to I don't want to see the big monster fights that's not why I it's not why I watching Godzilla movies yeah how Jane have cancer when cradle from AOU exists they explicitly say that thing can cure cancer no it just seems to have crazy healing properties as all if you're being as good faith as possible you have to assume that with all the advances we have none of them do anything about it cancer when in reality they didn't bother to check okay cancer kills people shut up a child in battle equals how to make a psychopath yeah it's kind of something that this film does multiple times and they don't like ever it's kind of really fucked up the idea I mean at the can we just talk about it now if we're in the post discussion phase or the I mean there are going to be some people who move our POV strictly made it this far so I don't see why not or dies in fact I was considering wrapping up very soon anyway so fair enough yeah I could use a lay down I suppose thank you for the content it made time fly by when I was in the military a bit late and not much but I felt the need to send some love well thank you very much I'm glad we can help the time go by by talking about movie television video game hey maybe we'll do it on the one if everyone ends up playing I will probably the only thing I foresee stopping me from playing that when it comes out is the reviews come out and they say either no we've been misled it's a horrible lie and this is like scam or it's not finished yeah it comes out and people say that it's just it's just not in a playable state then I won't play it but it I mean it's looked pretty good based on what I've seen I it seems like a nice slowish sort of paste semi-puzzle atmospheric sort of yeah walk around the light shooting game and I could I'm down for that I think I would really enjoy that I from what I've seen the mechanics seem incredibly simplistic which is just you know information don't know what that means it looks yeah it looks like a game that isn't going to be particularly difficult or complex but it's going to be engaging enough to keep you going from environment to environment which is I could go for that yeah if it's not too expensive hello there everyone and hi rags kadoodles hello I turned drinking age today so here's a brew on me what are some underrated movies that this toxic brood would recommend I watch long live rhino milk underrated movies chronicle underrated movies I don't think that's underrated everyone's a really good thing right so underrated can mean two different things when people say it is in like under scene really underappreciated or under praised by people who know about it isn't like people always say that's a 7 when it's a 10 or no one's heard of this 10 but the people who know it they like it well I guess I would say prestige that's a good one that's a good one I'm trying to think of the other side movies that people say or don't have as good of a reputation as they should uh oh uh coming what's it called it well yeah with the context that it's often shot down to like you know it is often very unfairly maligned yeah people say that movie is way worse than it actually is when it's pretty everyone's saying hoodwits I know of that movie I've never seen it yeah yeah eFap that's true Ben Horizon I mean most people have good things to think about except like red light media I don't have a bit of a sci-fi classic a horror classic no no how dare you I can agree with that you'd think that movie would just be a fame but I remember liking it really because I've seen that I'm aware of that film but I remember enjoying it as like an 8 year old the 2007 film you were 8 when you saw it I was not old there's a guy, there's a thing in that film I'm pretty sure that I'm gonna ask you this every time bringing you and answer it every time what's the guy's name from 2012 uh Gordon there's that death in Stardust that always annoyed me I always want to collect all the films that do that and make a top 10 list top 10 noble characters that get horrible deaths that the fucking movie doesn't seem to notice yeah heroes that the film doesn't understand are heroes I would I would love to watch it to revisit the film because I remember enjoying it as a kid but I don't actually remember really anything that happens in it I remember enjoying it but since it's been so long I guess I couldn't say if it's actually good I can't even say if it's underrated to be honest with you I don't know how people rate it a film that I would really like to for us to I would like to see it again but particularly for EFAT movies is we need to see Mortal Engines ooh yeah that's an underrated film uh I'm joking I'm not actually seeing it Eric no idea it's bad it is mega EFAT movies material it's like one of the I think it's I think it's the biggest movie flop ever it's one of the biggest flops full time yeah it lost like 200 million dollars which is pretty nuts pretty nuts well it was such an expensive movie and yet even when you see like that trailer like back before it came out you just kind of get the impression like really like that much money for this are you sure about that it's kind of the impression yeah I don't know how he was I mean he is Peter Jackson but still it's yeah so um it was film cost between 100 and 150 million not including marketing uh and it grossed 83.7 million so it lost the studio and estimated 175 million dollars and that and the thing is that movie looks expensive yeah you you watch that movie and you could see that this was a very pricey uh production yeah exactly it wasn't good uh though it looks like adjusted for inflation the biggest box office bomb of all time is John Carter oh I saw that one that's another one well I don't even know if that would work for because I think it's just standard action movie kind of stuff I don't think it's I don't know if it was just lack of interest or it just sort of had that middling kind of meh quality to it that no one really went for because I watched it and I liked it for just being a standard sort of action movie I don't think I don't think the expectation from Disney was that that was going to be a standard action film they wanted that to be a franchise um it cost a lot of money to make they planned sequels um and yeah just didn't pan out I I'm pretty sure that it was um yeah yeah that was a big bet for them and it just didn't didn't pan out for him hey blame Anna the rating for that should be higher than it is yes yes it should be because that's incredible um uke long schlong of mube foot shirt lane have you given any thought to a smash fap of masahiro sakurai's ultimate smash and there's less on your plate would be a game fap for the ages eye-fringing bird seed for the good doctor oh wow that's changing it up well yeah I could see us playing sif's arm was not in Valhalla poor payoff 0 out of 10 I think they would would have done that you think they would have done just anything else with that character hello brood as someone who personally didn't enjoy Thor Ragnarok could you explain why did you do that yeah I think it's knowing when not to try and be they say wisdom is knowing when you can't be wise sometimes good comedy is knowing when it's time to not make a joke comparisons though what are the obvious ones to me seems like the plays right there's why does it happen in the way you know why does it happen in Ragnarok it happens because narratively speaking the realms becoming in chaos why because Odin's not in charge of them anymore why because Loki's trapped him somewhere and he's taken his place okay and this little play which is I guess you can argue has value in and of itself as a joke just because it's like a stupid version of what we actually saw but of a scene that turned out not to be true right that Thor in Rockwild was sad that Loki had died for him but in that same film they reveal that Loki faked him out he didn't actually die there and I got Matt Damon and Liam Hemsworth recanting that scene and making a show of it while Odin is appreciating it when you know that that's actually Loki and then you know that Loki probably wrote this and forced it to happen have everyone appreciate how fucking great Loki is when he's not actually dead he's enjoying all of this it all as a narrative by its character motivated meanwhile in the new one it's literally just do you remember when they did the play before this is another one there is more to it than that like there is not really as in like I like the concept no actually I like the execution of the visual gags of like hey look this is a stage production of Thor they have the transform and the hammer moving slowly on a string but contextually the way they justified making those jokes doesn't work and it doesn't like if it was like if this was a play that had been put on for children about Thor right like hey kids today we're gonna learn about the exploits of Thor right and whatever right I could see the jokes working I could see the transform and then their outfits get ripped off and they've got their Thor outfits below and the Loki outfit below there's stuff in there that's it's more than just hey you remember this this happened before good point Jay if you change it it becomes a different thing what do you mean the question was what's the difference I just gave you what you said that there was nothing more to it than hey there was a play and there was a play before there are visual gags in there the reason I don't like the gags is the context in which they are played but there is more to it than just hey there was a play before the visual gags is something new why wouldn't that be encased in that point that there was a play before because it's more so than that's not just hey remember the play this is a reference to that that's that's another layer to the joke no it's you laugh to that other play we're doing another one so of course there's gonna be new things in it like Melissa McCarthy playing hella is a joke in and of itself and there is more to the joke then surely it's not just it's the joke isn't simply hey you remember that's the point there is more to it in Ragnarok than there is in Love and Thunder you saying like it's just there because they did it before because I understood you saying that the entire joke was just it was a reference to the fact that they did it I think it happened as a result of writing a narrative in Ragnarok I think it happened in Love and Thunder because it worked in Ragnarok yes I agree with that but that's the problem and that's how he's written a lot of the stuff because if you're asking like why is it you find that funny but not that and it's like a lot of the jokes I would argue in Ragnarok a very character supported I don't feel that way at all in Love and Thunder half the time I don't even know if a joke is happening or not that's not just because people are out of character but because I literally don't understand like anybody delivering the lines I wouldn't know and then of course yeah this bit of tonal whiplash seems much worse there's a bit of tonal whiplash in Ragnarok I don't want to say like there's not any there at all just because we've seen a way worse example but I think they handled it better in Ragnarok the way with which Thor is just treated as in he is allowed to walk a joke off and he's allowed to still be cool and confident when a joke is made in his expense in Ragnarok whereas a joke at Thor's expense brings down Thor's mood in Love and Thunder he often feels worse and they feel more mean-spirited as a result he doesn't get to he doesn't get to be still like hey yeah that bad thing just happened to me anyway moving on that was kind of funny and goofy he doesn't play along with that anymore I would even go as far as saying there like I don't like the fact that he's defeated by an electric sort of brace on his neck in Ragnarok seems really awful visually this is kind of what I'm saying like this is like the evil Ragnarok where all the good stuff is drawn out of it and maybe the worst elements are all cranked will have them spread everywhere because in some ways I guess I can see how the same person made both films when there's like architecture that's similar but it just seems to me that so much more work was in Ragnarok for making it all much more cohesive and that must be the difference because there are some people out there who feel like they're the same like in terms of how cringe and I would just argue that a lot more work went into the joke writing and I know that Tyke is capable of writing good jokes very clearly I don't know what the fuck was going on with this movie if it's color we need let's bring the rainbow isn't it funny how that doesn't really mean what's that it felt like an ad read well I mean the whole just like you said that whole scene felt like an ad for well I think it was for a broadband for broadband right for broadband service yeah I think that's apt now I'm like bring the rainbow does she think that Mjolnir can open the Bifrost is that the joke makes that mistake who knows I don't know I don't understand I didn't have this problem with Multivismanus by the way I felt like it was very straightforward in how broken it was yep but this film I have trouble sometimes pointing out what's not working because I'm not given the information I need straightforwardly the way Love and Thunder is described it sounds like you all watched a season of Picard looking forward to more Majorca's mask metal at the rags oh yeah everything I hear about Picard makes me dread the day that I'm gonna eventually end up watching it ew also Fringy look up Sandwich Eater Mr Heavy show on YouTube and you'll laugh it's like 10 seconds Sandwich Eater Mr Heavy show okay describe it to us what it's uh it's Mr Frog um but it's like Team Fortress and like the uh the engineer is like this sort of weird little bug holding a giant Sandwich and then Heavy scrambles in with very flupy limbs and basically does the Mr Frog thing that's neat 59 is a truly classic I revisit every so often we got introduced to the left Resnick Clown talent agencies and of course Yeb also high rack hello so that'd be the misogyny then uh Jenny Nicholson that's what Jeb got introduced to was it was it before that he got introduced I'm kind of sworn that's the Jeb introductions uh Lord Longbong of Mewslington Abbey is there any good chance of a Kongfap Peter Jackson's Long Kong when there's less going on it'll be a movie fap for the ages yes and well Wagsies is for the good boy hello there's a good chance check out the Jackson Long Kong remember a lot of complaints about that movie long takes too long to get to Skull Island but what is the time spent on is it character is it plot is it good is it bad we were talking about pacing wonder how well paced it I know there are people out there who think the Lord of the Rings is poorly paced Jay I didn't say that I didn't say you said that I didn't say that you said that you said that I didn't say that you said that I said these you're going in circles I haven't said anything I didn't say the answer no you're not stop it you haven't said anything and uh on that brain melting note what I'll do is just collect up what messages we had left I imagine it should take us three hours to get through the rest of Thor and then we will go through all the remaining supercats from this stream and then the ones from that following one next either Saturday or Sunday hard to say what I do know though and I just remembered is I'm pretty sure Adam and Stitch's 200th stream their show is on next Sunday oh wow that's exciting I may have already agreed to be on that at least partially so I don't know if we'd be able to run on an EVE app on the same day so maybe it has to be Saturday I don't know we'll figure something out you know emergency I'm pretty sure they run 12 hours right so in a sense I would be able to go on there anyway then that'll be a long day and that's okay what we do but before we go Jay do you want to tell people about what you're up to what you're doing yes I am hoping to make a video on this film I also hope to make a video about Kenobi and I don't think there's still a chance that that'll happen but it'll be like later down the road at this point if it does and that'll be on my channel I'm currently deep into working on a video about Brickleberry which conveniently makes a lot of the same mistakes as Thor Love and Thunder does and the jokes aren't funny and a lot of the jokes are just hey lol look how shit this character is in fact like I just finished my section on why those jokes aren't funny which felt really weird to just like save all the problems make a video describing the problems with Thor Love and Thunder before having seen the film I'd be like oh I just made a video describing all these anyway I'm also doing a podcast with Mattle on my second channel called JN Mattle's Star Trek podcast you guys like Mattle you'll enjoy that still sticking with that name huh it's funny um yeah it's also the actual us on that podcast now like the thumbnail art is now finalized so it looks nicer if you abbreviated the podcast what do you mean abbreviated I mean would it be Jamstup Jamstp Jamsp Call it Jam what does it mean it's like JN Mattle we're not just going to do Star Trek we're going to do all kinds of things maybe Jam great name what about Chris Morris it's very fun fun it's a very good show that we make very good call it JFap maybe I will uh rags bringing anything you guys wanted to say before we go away oh I don't think so yeah I really got anything well all I'll say is that I look forward as time goes on to being able to talk more about the work I've been doing but this that's nice when you can do that isn't it yeah but for now I have to just not and keep working on it it's a large lad as they always are but uh yeah you can expect us to return to your screens in probably a week's time to finish off talking about the roar the roar of the thunder I will be on real BBC on the 2D then I think wait I'm not sure exactly what's happening with the catch up for this that's coming on the last open bar but you'll probably see things about that too at some point um oh shit I think I've thought of something else that might be happening there well man I'm going to write a schedule anyway thank you all for hanging out with us thank you very much for the kind donation and the chat about the wonderful present and future of MCU guys you all you have yeah catch you all later everybody bye see y'all later oh my goodness gracious he's back