 And we're back. We're back. Look at that. Boy, I sure do. I sure don't like that app when I first noticed. That was really good. I was legitimately impressed by by Das going back and oh, yeah, all the kids, that one's holy shit. Oh, that is amazing. I was like, wow, how many times has it been? And then it just keeps going and going. And I'm like, wow, it really is just like the writer's like emergency escape hatch button for a plot. And so they're just like, oh, we need something to happen. Someone gets captured and they hit that button a lot. They hit that button a lot. Das remembered them all. I think he had the help of a witch or something. I don't know, because he's a pretty big Batwoman fan. So yeah, he is. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of Batwoman plot lines more so than the writers. Absolutely. Certainly. Also, we're joined by the meme repository. Hello. Hi, how are you? I'm here. Hi, hi, hi, hi. Hello. And I'm. Hello. All right, there you go. Hi. Hey. Yeah, we're here now. Yeah. We have the potential for a lot of different potential things to cover. I'm just thinking, you know, with who we have, it's just obvious that we could probably talk about basically anything. But I would like to shake it up, which is truly what we would be doing by doing this and talk about it about Marvel. Shake it up. Oh, we're full. Oh, we got some of that. Oh, I think you're right. Hey. What was that when you said something I couldn't hear? We haven't done that yet, I think, all day. Annually true. Oh, my other stuff, video games, Lewis. We've talked a lot about Lewis. It's true. Lewis. Lewis, Lewis. So in what way are we going to talk about Marvel? We're going to talk about it all. It's been a while, actually. A content creator that is a favorite of the show and he is talking about good ol' Quantum Mania now. Oh, I love Quantum Mania. Yeah, you guys might be familiar. It's one of my favorite movies. So this is the wonder. Oh, wait a minute. Is everyone in the watch together? No. Yes. I will provide the link. There you are. Wonderful. There we go. This is... Is someone saying Film Roberto? No. Film Romanto. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. No. Yeah, we're going to check in on what he believes to be the case for good ol' Quantum Mania versus Ant-Man. This is a video called... Ant-Man Quantum Mania. How to build a cinematic cash grab anatomy of a failure. Oh, my. It's a very video essayist. How to build a cinematic cash grab anatomy of a failure. Yeah, this is going to be giving us insights into how Quantum Mania was such a fuck-up. Well, but why are we watching this, though? I mean, surely we'll... I mean, we'll just be us going, yep, yep, that. I think it's about time we covered a video we agreed with. They've all been pretty bad today, okay? Yeah, they have all been pretty bad. And this is Filminto, so we don't have to set the bar high or anything. I'm sure you'll clear it unless he says something mean about Lewis. Or he won't. I doubt Lewis will even come up in this video. I hope so. All Ant-Man all the time. Yeah, let's delve in. We begin with 2015. 2015. The music's pretty loud, do we want to... I'm surprised he got away with the music. Like, if he's played it for the... In Trunk of Time or not? Look at him. Oh, my God. I guess he's covered now because he's got the... The kazoo. Well, wait, yeah. How familiar are you with Ant-Man 3? I haven't watched. I've seen the previous two. You saw Mahler's video on it, right? I've listened to about an hour of it so far. Wow. All right, well, you know... I used to think you were a true fan, but that's okay. You know, when you release a 40-minute video, I watch it straight away. It's a long video. Holy s***. Didn't expect to see your protege again after... What happened to you? And the Tommy of a Failure... He's got a Filmento book. That goes over all of the film perfection. He wrote a book? One told the Filmento video... Half-Man and the Wasp Quantumania is the 31st MCU movie in which everyone's favorite ant-oriented Marvel superhero gets sucked down to the mysterious quantum realm to do things we all love to see. Things like wandering around aimlessly and stumbling into quirky half-characters without real substance and being... Hey, no, that is great! That is cool. We love that. That is great. This podcast stands for Veb. If that is a Veb, we're big fans of Veb. If that is a Veb. Yeah. We are Veb. He's Veb and he's interesting and he's a zany, wacky fella. That's right. This is the Veb Club. We've got jackets. We are pro-veb here. We are pro-hull. Being hedon by Living Broccoli. What's your story then? And as a whole, Quantumania is another not-so-good new MCU entry... Oh, it's awful. Not so good. Another not-so-good. That's not a very generous... Look what he did to him. He gave him the rocks and made a splat. And take off the visor. Take off the visor, Kang. It's galsplumpy. The list. Probably one of the worst so far. There are things to laugh at, sure. But even those, mostly for the wrong reasons. It's based on Marvel's own Black Adam and Shazam 2. I know it's not. Black Adam is better than this. Absolutely. True. Black Adam is... Shazam is better than this. Not by much, but... Shazam's absolutely better than this. Shazam 2. Shazam 2. I mean, Shazam 2 sucks, right? It's a better than this. It's better than this. Shazam 2. What was the best part of Shazam 2? If you had to be like... I can't remember. There was something in there. At some point, maybe. At the very beginning, when they turn everyone to stone, that's kind of spooky. Maybe. It seemed not making any sense, though. It didn't. That's part of what makes it so spooky, is how little sense it makes. What is the scene in that film that has no flaws? When Wonder Woman appears and saves Shazam. That was a great scene. I legitimately don't know what scene I'm talking about. Oh, Wonder Woman. This video came out for the flash, right? Because it feels like the flash might be a good example to point to in DC of like, Yeah, this is... This is about as bad as it gets. There's not much rank going on here. Force failure being that it's a shameless cash grab. And before I unleash the rage of the MCU fanbase... No, I wouldn't call it a shameless... Shameless... Crack. A shameless cash grab. I wouldn't call it that. I wouldn't call it that. I don't think I would. At the very least, it being a shameless cash grab isn't why it's bad. That is... You can have shameless cash grabs that are good. Who's that? You okay? Oh my... Oh my gosh. Did you knock over some anime? What happened? Eel deer? Just a cup. Thank goodness. It sounded very loud and dramatic. Yeah, it's made of steel. Steel cups. I feel like every MCU movie really wants to make money and they're all pretty... Absolutely. Which is why highlighting this one as a cash grab just feels like... Any more so than any of the other ones that they made over the last couple years? They were grabbing cash with Endgame, okay? Well, let me ask this. The cashiest grab-iest... What is the cash-y grab-iest movie in the MCU? Like a legacy sequel from like 40 years ago where they bring back the old cast. Well, multi-burst it was... Love and Thunder probably, right? Tycho was just like mine. Yeah, he didn't give a shit. Yeah, he definitely didn't. Meanwhile, I think one could argue that Peyton Reed and Jeff Levinas had some level of that they'd made art here. Yeah, probably. Obviously, Tycho I think wouldn't have told you that. He'd be like, this was a goofy bullshit thing that I did with my friends and they paid us millions for it. It's crazy. The Adam Sandler approach, I guess. It's too much. Let me explain. The reason Ant-Man Quantumania is a cash grab is because it's not an Ant-Man movie so much as it is another Marvel movie that happens to feature Ant-Man. That isn't actually... That is not what makes it a cash grab. That doesn't make any sense. There are a lot of films that are in the MCU that feature Ant-Man that aren't about him that aren't... Yeah, he's in Civil War. Well, the really awkward... The thing is, you can't remove Ant-Man or any of the Ant-Man world from this film and still have it be recognizable at all. They are like a hugely important part of the film. There's five Ant-Man characters and Janet is tied at the hip to Kang. Usually it feels like when we make a statement like this it's that you could remove them specifically and it wouldn't change much, but you remove them, you change the movie completely. Could one argue you could switch out Janet for anyone and switch out Ant-Man for anyone? Sure, but I guess you'd have to make big tweaks though, right? Because they want to make a big deal out of the shrinking tech as a big plot element. But I guess you'd have to figure out... It's in the quantum realm. I think that's the big thing that's difficult to overcome. Which is definitely tied to Ant-Man. And maybe the Ant-Man sort of realm. I guess the only thing I imagine that you'd be appealing to is that Kang is beyond Ant-Man in terms of his relevance to the MCU going forward. But that doesn't seem like... It would almost be like with Thor, right? Thor and Loki being set up for Avengers. I guess you'd make a better argument there obviously because Loki is a Thor villain. But I would say this is not the source of this film's problems. Also, can you call this movie a cash grab if it didn't even do a cash grab? A cash grab is how it's made and what they're wanting. It doesn't have to succeed. They need a cash grab. Something's failed because they are cash grabs. Okay, I suppose. Yeah guys, you don't have to be so mean. It wasn't made because the filmmaker thought there's more to be done with this character and more to explore with this world. No, it was made because Marvel is a machine in need of another movie and... It's true. They used to fault them for... They used to be able to do that and tell the stories. What I'm saying is that them wanting to keep pushing them to forward isn't the reason it's bad necessarily. Yeah, I'm not going to blame it for wanting to keep making movies to make money. Complicated. His argument there isn't so much that it's meant to make money. It's that it's meant to make money without pushing the character forward. There's nothing else to say, right? There's no story that needs to be told. That's his argument. The thing is you can find more stories to tell about Scott. You could have more. Or Cassie. That meant a lot of bad choices in this film. I would absolutely agree, absolutely. But that is his argument, is that there was nothing else left to say about him. Is that what he was going to say? I think so, yeah. I think that's what he was saying. It wasn't made because the filmmaker thought there's more to be done with this character and more to explore with this world. No, it was made because... He said that's what... It wasn't made because they thought that. The filmmaker. He's describing that their motivation would not have been let's tell more Scott stories. Let's make another Ant-Man movie. Let's make another movie and Ant-Man will be in it. It speaks to a problem that I feel exists with especially Disney, which is that the project exists before the idea for a story. It's like we are in Ant-Man film. Let's find the people to make the film regardless of whether we have any ideas. Yeah. We're going to change our mind on what we want to be like eight times. Making it so. Yep. Marvel is a machine in need of another movie and Ant-Man is one of the established characters they have left and the Quantum Realm is another mandatory CGI world they can put in it. That's mandatory CGI world. With Marvel, I don't know how it works with every project but like they knew they wanted to do something in the Quantum Realm. They wanted to do a complete tonal shift from the other two. So they wanted more like a sci-fi Quantum Realm adventure and then they wanted potentially to use Kane the Conqueror as the villain. And because of that, no matter. None of that has anything to do with it being a cashcrab or terrible. I don't think he's going to have much to prove it's a cashcrab beyond the fact that it's just a Marvel movie that's making a lot of money. You're not going to catch like the fucking director saying like you know what, fuck this one. Like we don't know. We're just doing stuff. Meanwhile, the one you would find the most evidence is probably Thor Love and Thunder. What? He didn't give a shit at all? No, he didn't give a fuck at all. Why it ended up as bad as it did. But if this movie was good, you know, and it took place in the Quantum Realm and it was a sci-fi adventure and it had Kane in it, but it was all good. Would he be calling it a gameless cashcrab? I don't think so. There might be a validity to calling it a cashcrab still in that environment. Maybe. Who knows? You were like, we want money. We'll give it to autists that can make it good so it makes more money. We'll get something good, I guess. Yeah, because Disney is like the creatives or the executives up there, they can say do a thing, but the actual creative people can really do something with it. They can care about it, especially because their name is attached to it into perpetuity. Ideally, you think they would give a shit. The thing is that his argument here makes no goddamn sense, because it's just the ideation phase. It's saying, hey, we want you to make a movie about Ant-Man and have it in the quantum realm with this enemy, and that's his argument for why it's a cashcrab, is that they gave them a basis for a story and said, go make a story. That's not enough for it to be a cashcrab. Certainly not as a standout to all the Marvel. No. It's not the commissioning phase, isn't it? I feel like there is definitely room for things to go wrong with we are going to have these projects happen, and especially if Marvel says you need to set them in these locations, because if you have it be you need to make an Ant-Man film. It needs to be set in the quantum realm where Janet was, and you need Kang. That already presents a challenge for you, which is why didn't Janet say anything as a problem that you now, it's like, oh, well, she did say something years before, like in the timeline. It's just like you don't have total freedom, which doesn't necessarily mean that you're screwed, but you can be locked into certain problems, especially if you don't have access to other characters that you might necessarily need for your story just based on its premise alone. I disagree with that. It shouldn't exist. Like what? There's probably, if you look through film history, there's probably plenty of really good movies that shouldn't quote-unquote shouldn't have existed, but the people who were put in charge of the creative process worked hard and they came out with good movies and they were good actors. Andor was baffling for a long time as a project that existed. Yeah, that shouldn't exist. Andor really? And then look at how it turned out. It turned out great. I'm looking at the Nickelodeon slime. That's true. It is pretty overwhelming. It is an overwhelming thing. I think this is the Rotten, right? The Rotten symbol for Rotten. Yes. A lot of people felt that Terminator and Alien, those stories are told and done and they're great and they don't need sequels. And then, is the famous story not that James Cameron put the word alien on a white board and then drew a dollar sign after the and making aliens? Oh my God. I didn't know that. Imagine he said in that moment like we are going to be doing a cash grab lads. It'd be like, okay, but you could still make something great, like one of the greatest movies of all time, maybe? I don't know. You can totally do it. Someone said like, but there's one and done. Alien is a told story. It's like, okay, but I could do another one. It doesn't matter how good it is, because it shouldn't exist. Yeah, that's such a weird thing. I have a problem with that. I like the Lego movie. I think that's an enjoyable film and arguably it's the cash grabbiest of cash grabs. Before it came out, there was certainly the feeling of, wow, really? But they turned it into something really cool. Yeah. So like, I don't even think that, I think his core premise here is immediately flawed. Yeah, I mean, I basically, because it always comes down to whether it is actually good or bad, how well written it is. It was a great story. You wouldn't be saying this, even holding everything else true. If they somehow pulled it together and made it work, you'd be saying it was, it'd be good and you'd feel it was good and this wouldn't matter to you. I think he put the part before the horse because it's like, why is this movie, why don't I like this movie? Because it's a cash grab. Instead of just going about what made the movie shit. I mean, he's just buying it in his head. This is a cash grab. That's why it's bad. Not that it's bad. And it's a cash grab. Yeah, so it's like going through all the reasons that shit would take like six hours. So, yeah. Who the fuck would do that? I have no one with a life, certainly. He's using, there's like this three-prong element of after the movie's out and after the fact, it one, wasn't good as a movie. It was terrible. Two, it didn't make money. And three, not many people will ever defend it. And then you're like, oh, pretty safe to call this one a cash grab. It's squarely in that kind of territory. Yes. Aspect poisons, everything here. Ant-Man the character isn't Ant-Man anymore. Ant-Man the movie isn't an movie anymore. And the whole thing basically exists just to serve the new villain in a superficial manner. Does it really serve him? Not really from what I saw in your video, Mola. Not really. It is fucking not. He's a clown. He's a clown character. Win. Do you think the writers think that this served King? Yes. But they also think it served Ant-Man. Remember, the writer thought that this was Janet Van Dyne's Unforgiven. Ugh. Oh, Jesus Christ. He said that. He did. They also compared this for him to Lord of the Rings and Stones. They said it more than once, by the way. Yes. But I guess there's a spaceship looking thing in it, I guess. They compared Mordok's death to Baramir, but they said the main difference is that no one likes Mordok and that he doesn't deserve anything. They didn't realize that Mordok was unwittingly the best character in the film. He goes, he has an arc. He has an arc that is somewhat coherent. By total fucking accident, I'm sure. And what heals the deal is like, I'm bad. Maybe you shouldn't be bad. And then he goes, you're right. What a great arc. Look, I said the best interpretation I have of that is that he was already, he was just looking to tune. He didn't want to be a bad guy. And he was looking for a reason to be a bad guy, and they fucking laughed at him. To be fair, he's got a big face. He does have a big face. Yeah, because in the commentary they said we should have had a joke where they tried to close his eyes, but they were really heavy, so it was hard. It's like, dude, he just saved the multiverse. Who cares? He's got a big head. He saved more people than Tony Stark. He did. He saved infinitely more people than Tony Stark. By the way, you can tell by their attitude, they ain't going to tell Earth about that. No, his sacrifice would be in vain. Well, no, not in vain. He saved it, it's just that nobody would know. Which kind of makes him even more of a hero. Yeah, the fact that he's an unsung hero. He is an unsung hero. And so today, what I thought would be useful to do is to look at Quantumania through this cast grab lens and try to understand why it's Ant-Man in name only. Why exactly it's hero and content and point of existence are ruined. Okay. As you're showing the villain, flick away Ant-Man and the Wasp, because they've gone super small and they're using their powers. Also, we have the same thought with me that we're so familiar with the visuals in this film that that felt like he was breaching the time. That felt too long. I was watching that. Believe me, I have to like a full, however long of me having to do this to avoid copyright. It's like a trigger. How day you play that much of this fucking clip. If the clip is like four seconds long, I'm already feeling like, oh, Jesus. Like, no, that's a vlog. Not only to learn why it failed, but also to know what to look out for with your own movie. Why did he put Ant-Man on the... It's too long. Let's pause. Also, yeah, I guess we're going to learn how to avoid the failure that is Ant-Man. We're going to avoid cash grabbing in our own movie. This was made by a DC double agent working at Marvel. No, this was written by Marvel, Lily. That's funny as fuck, yeah, because you know that if Jeff Loveness and Peyton Reed heard that, they'd be like, I... No. No, I mean, that's silly. It's in keeping with Phase 4's shitty quality. Yeah. Fits right in. It was a DC. Like the DC sabotage operation. It's so funny if it was true, though. There was a double agent. He got all of his sabotaging plans in, but they just happened to be things that Loveness and Reed agreed with. He was like... I thought we were really good ideas. Let's make it so that Scott doesn't want to help people anymore. They're like, that's great. He's like, yeah? Okay. Great. It's also kind of funny the notion of like DC sabotage when this year has been a fucking disaster for DC. Yeah, the DC guy goes back to, you know, DC HQ and he's just like, I sabotaged him. Wait, they're making nobody? Oh shit. It makes sense. I think you guys need to give this theory a bit more credit because let's consider DC makes shitty movies, right? So they think, alright, well, somehow we can only make terrible movies. So if we plant one of our creatives within the competition, they'll make shitty movies too. We can't bring ourselves up, but we can drag them down. That guy is like, you want me to sabotage them? He's like, no, work really hard to create great things. That will sabotage them. You're so good at our usual standard and it will work. No, no, be bad ironically. Yeah, yeah, dude, go do that. If you try to deliberately sabotage them, you might make something good by accident. So don't do that. Be yourself. You're not may not be too far from the truth because the couple low ranking people I know at Warner's have told me that there is an ex DC Warner's person now pulling the strings. Really? He's got sources. That's a lie. Trust me, bro. We're at that level right now. My contacts at Warner Brothers assure me the saboteurs at higher levels of operation. I can't reveal their name. These sources are low level insiders though. Why would they have some guy? Why would Warner Brothers what a contact? That just means they used to work at DC that doesn't mean like they're active. They're pulling the strings, buddy. They have a permanent allegiance of blood oath to Warner Brothers. I will serve you. I will serve you beyond the confluence. It's like a stovia. That's Marvel, a person you have heard of. Even though it may mean trouble, it's incredibly exclusive of who that is. Oh my god. That's exciting. I don't want to get too much trouble because in order for that expose to make sense, my cash grab argument has to make sense first. No it doesn't. You could have just told us who it is now. You don't have to wait until the end of the video. That's some bullshit. You've just dangled the carrot in front of us. I'll reveal it. Yeah, but little does he know. We were going to watch this whole thing anyway. He was feeding jokes on him. Yeah, we showed him. So here's why Quantamania is a cash grab and how to not make your project the same. Alright. Here we go. I love that he always frames his videos as writing advice because he has some of the wildest ones. Well, the book that he's written I'm pretty sure is structured similarly to the... It's all the lessons he's come to learn across all the movies. Each chapter will be like this film, this lesson, this film, this lesson, and the chapters like Tomorrow War. And the Vietnam War. That's not something to believe. Dude, that was crazy. I mentioned the Vietnamese. The man's got some opinions, you know? That's exciting. And you didn't even need Nebula to upload those ones. They weren't censored. He got away with it. Gimmick Man. Wow, that's not clever at all. Firstly, the reason Ant-Man the character isn't Ant-Man anymore is because he has lost his defining personal specificity to the point of becoming Ant-Man. His defining personal specificity. His defining personal specificity. His defining personal specificity. That's a that's a Bob-ism right there. It is a Bob-ism. It's something because the answer is so straightforward if this were a decent script. It would just be like, Scott isn't Scott. How do we know this? Well, his arc in this film is learning that he needs to help people. That's absurd. That's not Scott at all. Or you could just say he lost his defining characteristics. Yeah, that would be it. No, he lost his defining specificity. I think, is he going to talk about oh, Ant-Man can't shrink anymore. That's why he's not Ant-Man. Well, he can shrink and grow. Well, we're about to find out. So far, we've talked about how he worded that was confusing as fuck. Yeah, he's just trying to sound smart. Yeah. Oh, boy. To introduce what I mean, look at the beginning where you may notice that the things that made Scott Lang, Scott Lang don't exist anymore. That's basically just a guy living his life with the ant-man. Do you want to put like the copyright? It is a worry. Yeah, fuck it. But people like acknowledging that he's a hero, but that makes sense though. Well, sorry, I didn't catch exactly what he was saying. I'm sure rolling back. To introduce what I mean, look at the beginning where you may notice that the things that made Scott Lang, Scott Lang don't exist anymore. He's basically just a guy living his life with the added fact that he's ant-man. He can do that. That's okay. He's allowed to do that. He leads a life that is normal. He did that in the other movies too. He doesn't exist anymore because he's got a real personality. The opening of that had nothing to do with ant-man tech or superhero stuff specifically. He was just hanging out with his daughter. Yeah, if I was ant-man or whatever. Yeah, I'd be hanging out with my family and then you'd have the stuff of whenever I go out in public, people notice me, they maybe pay for my food, they call me, they say, hey, it's ant-man. Oh my gosh, they ask for a selfie or whatever. What doesn't happen to real celebrities? All of this stems from him being ant-man and having saved the universe. All of what's happening here is about him being ant-man. He's not doing ant-man stuff right now, but it's all having to do with him being ant-man. How does it feel to defend this movie? This film was awful, but you can still be wrong in the way that you say that it's bad. Oh, we know how that works. With people loving him for saving the world with the Avengers. How dare they? And basically every scene being about him being a hero in the MCU. Why are you trying to... What's the problem? In the MCU? No, in universe though. Maybe that is what he means. I'm just waiting for him to tell me what's the problem. Captain America. How did the hawk turn me in? Dude, the music. He doesn't have the music. Yeah, why is the music so loud that it drowns out the words of what you're trying to... What is the point? Captain America. Which can be funny and kind of the point here, but it also leaves Scott himself in the end of the point. That's not... Okay, this is so weird, because that book is written by and as Scott Lang talking about his values in this moment, which by the way is one of the few moments in the film that's okay. Coming up with my daughter and I will save the world when needed. That's Scott Lang. It's part of the point. It is the point of the... I'm confused. What exactly is it that separates him as a person from the noise of all the other MCU heroes? His daughter is a big thing. His daughter is a good version of this would play really hard into the angle of his connection with his family. The Langel. The Langel. And that of all the MCU people he's most positioned to lead somewhat of a normal life, or he's one of them anyway. He's got a big family. He's very like, almost a chill and personable, charming. He's trying to inspire people with his book. This is all very... It's weird to pick on this part, because it's probably the most solid stuff for his character until they fuck it all up. And then there's also that the film that's happening here. The film seems to think that Scott is an asshole writing a book and doing inspirational speeches to families, like trying to inspire kids to be heroes in their own lives. Did you hear as well that it's apparently lore now that he was asked by Hawkeye and Hulk to make this book? Oh, is it? Yeah, apparently they asked him to do an account of it. That's in some kind of fucking new thing they released, which is just even more funny, because they all rip into him as if he chose to write the book, but now he's been told to write it. Yeah. They keep making everything worse, but that's fine. Whatever. Oh, people ask him why apparently it's something to do with like, so we have an accounting of the events in a public sense and they figured Scott was the best one for it. I don't know. You know how this works. They hire people, they did sort of where they've got to like bind everything that's made by all these disparate teams with no understanding or respect for each other. And so he's like, why did Scott write the book and who told him to it? It's like, oh, frick. I guess. That's someone we bring out whenever we need someone to do whatever. Bodies are funny, plus many other things. Okay, what are we doing? Scott's funny, but so is Tony. But they're not funny in the same way. They're not funny in the same way. Look at the characteristics he's got for Tony. Billionaire, asshole, arms dealer. He hasn't been an arms dealer. Billionaire isn't a personality trait either. No, well, yeah, exactly. He's a little bit more complicated than that. Why isn't like, why isn't actually like selfless in here? He's a pretty, like when it comes to the big moments, he's very selfless. Well, there's a lot more to Scott than funny. He's definitely got more going on than funny. He's a family man, like big time. He's one of the most selfless characters as well. He's, yeah. He's incredibly humble. You could, I think you could all use the most selfless character in the MCU. He's so humble. Like a lot of other characters. That he's an ordinary guy pulled into a crazy situation. Well, others are that way. Stallone isn't ordinary. In what way are you? Orphan isn't a character trait. Orphan is a characteristic. He's in love with a green alien. Yeah, everyone is. I don't think he's ordinary also. He's not ordinary. He's very extraordinary. His father was a god. Aren't you half celestial too? Yeah, I mean, this is what I mean. Do you understand what he's trying to do here is to be like, see, everyone else has these traits. So this is, you know, boring to say that Scott has these. Even though he has them, even if we agree that they shared the same traits, having these differing traits from different characters in this universe and having traits from different characters in this unique configuration is unique in and of itself. I love the idea that you're like, this man is funny. This man's an orphan. This man's like, wait, I'm sorry. What? Oh, my God. This man's gay. Also, if you're going to say who is the most down-to-earth character in all of the MCU out of the heroes, probably would be Scott again. Probably Scott. Probably is. That's funny. I don't know. He's not as funny as he's more an orphan than he is funny. Orphan is funny. The orphan part really does get in the way of the funny. Yeah, if we pull down our character chart on the graph here, you can see the blue line representing funny is far lower than the green line, which is his orphanness, which is way higher. So just team leader, I guess so. Yeah, he's got leadership qualities to him. Which makes him just like Captain America. Why didn't he have genius for Tony? Like, he's an incredible engineer. Scott as a person has nothing to distinguish himself from all these other people. What are you talking about? That's really lame of you. Scott is unique. Sorry, he is. There's a bigger difference between Scott and Tony than there is between Tony and Stephen Strange, for example. Yes, they're a lot more alike. I would say Star Lord Tony and Stephen all have the ego problem. Like, as in that's a flaw for the character. Yeah, Scott's not at all. He stands out. He really does. Even though his films don't, and I mean, a lot of it's probably just Paul Rudd, Charisma, that character. He included Tony Starks, like, arms dealer, pass, but he didn't include, you know, Scott's thieving power. Exactly. And I will give him a little bit of allowance for this, but most people don't even know that Scott's like an advanced engineer. Like, that he's able to do some incredible shit. He's an electrical engineer, isn't he? What I'm saying, most people don't even know he has those abilities. Yeah, but I mean, if you're gonna make a video on Ant-Man you probably know about those things. We should probably watch Ant-Man 1 too, right? It seems like he may have, he had some clips in there. That's true, yeah. With the exception of being Ant-Man. And to bring context to this, even though Scott was never the standout MCU character, he initially had this specific But he lost them. He's lost the characteristics I see. Why say? Okay. Him. He was an ex-con master thief. Okay, there you go. So this is where it's gonna get complicated, right? Because do you have to bring that in in the future iterations of the character? Especially if he's far along and he's doing different things in his life. So not necessarily. Does he have to be stealing things? If he started out as a thief, does he need to be using those abilities in every one of his outings? Well, it feels like you could take advantage of the opportunity, but you could also be, it's a way to show that he's moved on from that life. That's not him anymore, you know? But the skills are transferable, I suppose, in terms of, you know, I would want to take advantage of it, for sure. But the thing is, the most important aspects to take from him are obviously gonna be his relationship with his family and how he feels about, you know, his selfless acts. And they fuck those up. Like the idea that it's like, we needed to see him do more thieving. The funny part is they awkwardly fucking try to shove it into Quantamania, if anything. It's like, I need you to steal something for me. It's like, no you don't. That's not at all what you need to have done. He's just shrinking it. That's all he's doing. No, that's what I'm saying. It's yours and you're getting him to get it for you. It's all theft. It's your property. You baby even has a chance to steal it. The main act is shrinking it and then Kang should have picked it up as soon as he shrunk it, to be honest with you. Yeah, exactly. He should have been, open up his portal, be right there and grab it. Who struggled to make things right with his daughter? The struggling dad aspect was carried through. It shouldn't have been a different kind of struggling fatherhood. The struggle is that he's too busy writing books that helping people, even though writing the book and doing the tour is helping people and also he saved the fucking universe. There's a little tangled up right now. This is not... Yeah. To steal something to fix things. To steal something to fix things. I feel like that's under master thief. I don't know why you're adding that in. It's also not a characteristic. He had to steal stuff to make things better. Again, wouldn't that be master thief? It should be. Wouldn't that just go into that category? This is a problem. It depends on how we're categorizing all of this. When we say he's humble, he's selfless, he's fun, he's charming. I feel like these things describe his characteristics as a person. Saying he's a master thief, okay. Yeah, that doesn't... What kind of master thief is he? Is he a gentleman thief? Or is he like a brooch? But no, we don't really get... Is he doing that for noble reasons? Is he a Robin Hood thief? Or is he a selfish thief? And then like felon life. Why would we... Why would we want to push felon life? He's definitely not a klept... Because remember, he stole to try and get money back to people who didn't get it. What he's trying to say here, is he trying to position him as if he's some sort of a kleptomaniac? I don't think so. He's just saying that Ivory is a big part of his character. It's not the biggest... But this is the thing I was trying to say about the evolution of the character. Why would we have him risking felonies? That's not something that has to be a part of... He just saved the universe. Why would... What happens to him now doesn't necessarily entail felonies. I don't know why we have to have that. Yeah, if he doesn't need to steal anymore to survive, like he did. Yeah, and if you said, well in the first one they have to steal stuff from like the Avengers. And in the second one they have to steal stuff from... Deliath? And so you're just like, okay, but you don't have to make the film about that. No, you don't have to. You can always... The traits that you start with don't have to be the traits that you end with. You can always feel free to evolve and tackle new challenges with a character reveal new dimensions. Well, unless someone just mentions, well, he doesn't even want to do those things, so... No, that's the struggling dad part of it. He's a thief because he's a struggling dad. It's the felon life part as part of Master Thief and struggling dad because he does it because he's trying to make enough money to be able to see his daughter. So, yeah. Otherwise, the third one. Oh, what? I think it's Rags. He's gone. Rags, yeah. You bamboozled me. See your Rags in a second. No, it's not going to work. It's not going to work. We can worry about it. You're trying to bamboozle me. Hello? Yeah, it's Rags. See? Look at that. Rags disconnect. Go on. Off you go. Oh, it's gone for M. Wait, what? Me, Fringy, and Cap right now? And me, maybe? Hold on. Yeah, it's me, Cap, and Fringy. You're the only ones left, apparently. Oh, wow, okay. We're in Singapore, right? Oh, girl, everyone's back. I was scared. Thank you, Singapore. All right. Anyway. I was trying to trick me when you said Warrior. No, no. Oh, no. Bring it, come back. That's what separated him from the pack. Wait, wait, wait. Wait a second. Is Scott lying at Kleptomaniac? No. No. Because I was trying to get people's money back to them. It was... He's not like a thief as a trade. That's not like his lifetime trade. I never imagined him to be a Kleptomaniac. And I know that I don't really like Kleptomaniacs. Because I like... So Mento hasn't said he's a Kleptomaniac either? No. All right, I was wondering... Because someone had mentioned that. But I forget who it was, I suppose. Because I don't... I don't like Kleptomaniacs. Because I like puns, right? One of the other things is puns. And it's really tough to tell Kleptomaniacs puns because they take things literally. Oh my God. So we can carry on. Okay. Yeah, but that doesn't mean he has to do that in the third movie. It also doesn't make it as defining characteristic. No, and it's not... It isn't. It is a consequence of other things. It's so funny because the film awkwardly does force him into that. The film awkwardly says that he is a thief. That's why he got brought down. You've got to bring that up. Your video is an honest otherwise. It's two-fold weekend. On one hand, he's saying that that needed to be in this film and it's not, which is not true. It doesn't have to be in this film. But secondly, it is in this film very explicitly. It's in the end, right? It's like the second act. You've got to go and steal something from me. Oh, geez. Well, I'm told you're a very good thief. It's just like, oh, fuck off. Oh, my God. I told you that. Why did you say that name? Why do the funds like call from inconsequential? Because his point... That was jail calling. Yeah, about his daughter, by the way. About his daughter, yeah, which is like family matter. You can't ignore that. You can't be like... This film doesn't have him running from or getting involved with the police. His daughter is short. It's like, well, that sounds like conflict, doesn't it? Why can't we do that? The daughter of a hero like him getting involved in police stuff. If this film was written well, like that is a... You can use it, yeah. That could have been the central family conflict around which the film is kind of based and from which thematics spew forth. Ew. But, yes. He's all over the place right now. This is what I feel like happens when you know it's bad. You can't figure out why. He's not a thief steering anything or a dad needing to fix things with his family or in any way. He absolutely is a dad who needs to fix things with his family according to the film. The problem is that the drama contrived him out of character, and it's like the film doesn't even recognize when it's all front loaded and then never dealt with. It was quite terrible. All of them thought very low of him at the beginning of the film and we never got to resolve it. We just made jokes about it. He's pretty much just Paul Rudd being Paul Rudd with the added fact that he has this gimmick of being Ant-Man. And the main issue... Stop saying gimmick. Stop saying gimmick. That's like, oh, Iron Man's gimmick is that he wears his iron suit and he's got gadgets Well, what's another hero from the MCU? Hulk. Hulk's gimmick is he's big and green and strong. It's like, okay, that's not really a gimmick. Or if it is, then I guess you can't say it derogatorily because it's just something everything has. Yeah. This lack of defining personal specificity creates is wrong. You keep saying that. You don't know what it means. I don't even know what he means. That it leaves Scott without purpose and thus the story He doesn't have purpose? He needs to get out of the fucking quantum realm. He has purpose. At least, you know, if you want to read the film's intentions, he definitely has a purpose. It's just, again, it doesn't really make any sense and it contradicts earlier films. But they say he doesn't have a purpose. It's wrong. Yeah, it's wrong. He has a purpose in this film. It's to reconnect with his daughter. That's like the point. Missing all of the actual flaws. He's just saying things. It's like a stick in a river carried wherever Marvel wants the river to go. He happens to be shrunk down to the quantum realm by someone else. He happens to be a... He happens to be shrunk down specifically because he is Ant-Man. Yeah, that's why it happened. They want his expertise. The quantum tech angle is there and it will be because of the family that he is a part of. It's because Cassie made the tech as well, which again, that was stupid because she made it there in the first place too. He's about to use the quantum jelly, son, but he fends it off. How is that not examples of his agency? Is it just because he's like, well, he was attacked by it for no reason at all? Okay. He's like a stick in a river carried wherever Marvel wants the river to go. He happens to be shrunk... Well, no, that's not a good example because the river is only... Fuck it. Fuck it. Also, I mean, is he really complaining that the inciting incident is something that happens to him that instead of like something... Yeah, he didn't choose to jump down to the quantum realm so the film sucks. And that's not something I'm sure there's another film where he said that this was good that the inciting incident... I wouldn't be surprised. It gives the hero a sense of vulnerability, which is... Why do I sound like Ramon Salazar? You would have said it in a different way. You can flip it. Anyway, if you don't have rules, right? He needs to say whatever you want. Creatures down there and then he happens to be captured by locals and then captured by the villains henchmen and taken to the villain. Nothing about the story is driven by or even... So you're not going to mention the time where he does have agency then? Is that how you make that argument? It's cringe but when he's like, I'm not going to let that man do anything to my Cassie, I'm going to get him. He's big and fucking full frontal assaults Kang's HQ himself. Are we just not going to talk about that? I fucking hate it when videos do this. That would fuck up my point. So we're not talking about that part. Fuck you. We need to keep this under 20 minutes. This is just a... I just feel sad because the editing here is very good. It's just in the service of a very bad script. I like some of his editing here. Yeah, the editing's great. The content is... The point is poorly made, poorly executed. Oh and someone just pointed out God damn it, that's true. Why don't I say that? Scott jumps in after Cassie. Oh yeah. I was wondering... Yeah, that's right. He's not sucked in. So yeah, you're just so wrong. Yeah. He only did that because the opportunity was presented by someone else. Yeah, he didn't make the portal open himself. He was reacting to the things around him. Yeah, of course. But that fucks up the stick in the mud thing because it's him being like, I'm going to save my daughter. Here I go. He's not a stick in a river anymore. We went over this before he even brought it up. You can't just have anybody. The whole point is that it's Ant-Man. This is unbelievable. How many times am I going to defend this movie when I just released a video about how it's one of the worst movies ever? Yeah, this is it. This is the obligatory defense of the thing that you just spent months of your life. You can't just have Captain America here. That doesn't make any fucking sense. What's he going to do? The whole point is you need to shrink tech. The criticism is that can can just take the shrink tech off him. He doesn't need Ant-Man. But he does need Ant-Man's tech. So you can't just have Captain of fucking America. He sued to someone else and the story would still function mostly the same. No, it wouldn't. It's not gross music. It is. It's Super Smash Bros. Ultimate music. I haven't played that game much, but I was like, I recognize the other variants from the other games. Basically every Smash Bros. game has a really great main theme. They just have good music in general. Wow. Amazing. But even their own. Their own music is great. Brawl had so many cool variations on that main theme. Yeah, it's really good. We can help each other with it. Ant-Man? That's kind of funny. Yeah, it is. That's my first street name. It's great. What's happened here, he's recognized the film is bad, much like everybody has, but somehow he's screwed up finding the actual problems. That's kind of funny. Main hero doesn't matter. The movie isn't made because of them, but instead, just to be made. And to be fair, the writers seem very aware of this. Since when Scott meets the villain, Kang, he's instructed to steal something for him. I thought you said that's not a thing in this movie. Wait. You don't want to bring that up. Oh no. You lied to me. And I was like, yes, he lied to me. Are you happy about this? Oh, okay. What's he going to say? Right, so essentially, the villain wants Scott to dive into his ship's blown-up engine to shrink it back down so he can use it, which is not stealing. Stealing is taking... This is a really minor point, though. Well, let's see where he's going, but I mean, he's right. I still feel like the earlier part of the video is fucked because he made pretty definitive statements and now he's like, okay, yes, they say it's here, but it's not, it doesn't count. Because now what you're highlighting is that it was just badly written. It's not that they didn't involve the aspect you're looking for. But remember, the whole point of this is that he's trying to prove to us that this is a cash grab. So this point in some way is supposed to relate to this movie being a cash grab when this is just a bad line. This is the problem. He told us Scott Lang, he's a thiever, he's going to be doing some thievens. And you're like, okay. But they don't do that in this movie. You're like, oh, that's the problem. Cash grab, not paying attention to character. Now he's like, okay, yes, they did, yes, that's there, but it's not really what I would classify as thieving. And he's like, so your issue isn't that they screwed up his character. Your issue is just that they badly wrote a section in where he had to steal something. Yeah, just that they didn't they didn't write it well. Like if some spooky weird set of demons had the the call and Kang couldn't do anything to them for some reason, he's like, you got to get in there quietly and steal it. That was the section they just rewrote it to be that or whatever. Would you think the film is good? Or would it be about how well they executed that particular scene? Yeah, one without permission. It's breaking into someone's house or walking into a store to No, that's not stealing. Stealing it. No, that's that's trespassing. Well, describing trespassing or breaking and entering. You're not not stealing. I'm fine with him trying to acknowledge that in and among the active stealing from somebody you'll be able to break locks or something. That's obviously because this scene is him stealing from Hank where diving down into a CGI space to help someone with a problem is not that which again makes it painfully obvious that Master Thief Scott as a person has no value in the story and also the reason why use the skills of a the skills of a Master Thief might be very very handy in order to retrieve something that is yours. He needs it's tech. It is. It does belong. Yeah, I was. Yeah, but it's nothing about Scott's character that he needs. It doesn't need to need Scott's character. Yeah, but the way at least the way the film is written. Scott is the guy for the job. So I don't get the character specificity bullshit that he's saying in the intro. It doesn't like, okay. No, it's like, okay, Scott and his companions have the technology to do the thing. Somehow, that's not the specific character trait that Filmento is saying earlier, right? It's so good. This video is so weird. It's so bad. He seems to be operating on the implicit assumption that for it to be an Ant-Man movie needs to have cool heist shit. If it doesn't have that it's not an Ant-Man movie. It's a little high ship, but moments in which his particular proclivity for it is what helps push the plot along, like Scott particularly. Well, you haven't demonstrated at all that you couldn't make a story with this character where he's not stealing shit. But you just assume that because it's like, well, that's the defining trait. So if he's not stealing shit, then it's not an Ant-Man movie. I would think that the defining trait is something that he does do in this film and is needed to do that thing. If anything, you can maybe make the argument that King is lying to him about needing a Master Thief just to get him involved. I mean, you could maybe make that argument, but he's not in this. He's just saying, oh, I need a Master Thief, but actually they're not stealing anything. You give me the worst film for those families. We all have to go through this every goddamn week. It seems to me that Filmento is trying to say that Kang should have needed him for something characteristically non-related to his tech, because who cares about that? That's like superfluous. Often again. But I appreciate the fact that he managed to point out that this isn't actually thieving, but I still think it's odds with his point that this film to be good and not a cash grab needs to have a moment that involves every, when it clearly the director and writer thought that they had that. So it's obviously about the execution, not about the presence. He isn't in any way built on him, aside from the fact that he has this gimmick of being Ant-Man. Yeah, so that's another reason why he's very wrong. Is it so tiring? He's actually like he's talented at being Ant-Man. You can still argue that that's a use for the reason why he has the tech, or the reason why Kang wants him to do it. Which is something you could have put in the movie by the way. Kang could have been like, I could take your suit and give it to my robot people, but I know that you're better at using this shit than they will be. But they suck at it like everything else. So it was the point. And it could have been a neat part of this thing if they're trying to have a classy little ant person then they could have like made it a thing in this movie where he actually has to teach your things throughout it and learn about the whole process of getting big and small and momentum and this and that and the other thing or something. But they do that for like four seconds. So that's checked off the checklist. Fuck it. And so the point is that the only way to avoid being a cash grab on the character side is if there's defining value left in the main character to explore. Whereas with Scott Lang left in the character to explore. But you can have static characters. I just understood his point and it's so stupid. Well, please tell the rest of us. His point is that the character of Ant-Man right? In this film it's really stupid. I'm trying to figure out how I can say it in a way that it's not as stupid. I believe it. Go for it. Just play it back for me one second because I had it. I'm going to say it to you. And so the point is that the only way to avoid being a cash grab on the character side is if there's defining value left in the main character to explore. He is saying that by having Ant-Man by being Ant-Man and do Ant-Man type things that is not a defining character or a defining part of the character because he's not playing non-Ant-Man guy. I forget his character's name. Scott. So he's not playing Scott. He's playing Ant-Man. That's his argument here. What? This is what he's saying in this sentence is that because he's being Ant-Man and not Scott there's not enough characterization because he's being Ant-Man. That's what he's fucking saying. Okay, I get it. Is that what he's saying? Also, are you okay? No! I get the impression you got to where you are because of the whole like he's not using Scott characteristics, he's just using Ant-Man tech and that's why he's done him wrong. Which is incorrect as an assumption because Scott and Ant-Man's tech have been intertwined. There's nothing wrong with Scott being required because of the tech that he acquires which is by the way why he's dragged into Civil War which is totally viable. But what I got from this part is that he's saying is he about to say that there isn't anything left for Scott's character? I just want to let it play a little longer. Of being Ant-Man. And so the point is that the only way to avoid being a cash grab on the character side is if there's defining value left in the main character to explore with Scott Lang that well here is already dry. Whatever purpose Scott once had has already been served at the beginning. Wow! Yeah, there it is. He's never been a motivational speaker. We thought this was a position he had earlier but I don't think he'd quite said it, but now he has. Scott's dry. There's nothing else to do for him. How do you rest your creativity? Do you have to be to think that just because he's progressed as a character there's nothing left to explore? It's funny because this comes up in my video and I said it's like a tough thing to do but you can still always you might think he's peaked because he's saved the universe but that doesn't mean there's nowhere else to you just got to keep it within character. What can we do for him next? Yeah, he has no characterization left though. He's only Ant-Man. I mean he's got a lot of years left to live in his life. Nothing left to learn though Rex. Nothing left to learn though Rex. But there's always room to grow. So this is the thing right? Aging into a mentor role there's so many things you could do. Isn't the interesting idea that the fact that they've almost got some of this is that he directly inspires his daughter who loves him by the way and respects and understands him who then starts experimenting with that stuff and he's like oh shit maybe don't and then she's like well what do you mean I want to be a hero and then you know that's easy conflict I don't want you to be a hero. Like you don't understand what kind of life that means and that you know you can have big big ol' fleams there there's plenty more for him to do in terms of being a parent it's fucking unreal to me there's like hey he's done he's done come on he's done. Yeah he's done he did his thing that's it. This reminds me of like the logical when they made the sequels when they were like come on there's nothing left for Luke Hanan Leia they're done they're old it's like what the fuck I can't think of anything to do with this character also please buy my book on writing advice Oh lord Oh please no one I think his book is probably shit What? No What no really? Rags being mean ol' mist of fish and chips right now I'm being a big ol' meanie big ol' meanie face I am just You know it's not often you get to say that you're flabbergasted but I'm flabbergasted This is something a lot of people end up saying I think it's fucking retarded like I said when they were making the sequels and they were like we're gonna make it about a bunch of new characters like cause the stories for Hanan Luke and Leia are obviously done and then they fucking ruin their stories in those sequels like thanks He did say that earlier too that introducing Kang and having a movie that introduces Kang is inherently bad because it's not about Ant-Man and it's like but he's introducing a new character what's the problem you can have new characters I think that a lot of people would probably tell you if Tony survived the snap where he killed Thanos and everything that would have been a bad move because there's nowhere else to take him his story's complete you know that's probably what a lot of people would find intuitive and it's like well there's obviously other things we can do with him there's obviously gonna be more challenges to provide any character He can react to the thing that he just went through Exactly, this is what I mean you could have it so it costs him like half of his body and he can't even move it imagine doing that to Tony and then he like starts to replace parts of it with you know tech like Iron Man stuff it's an there's obviously potentially more stories to tell but I think a lot of people intuitively will be like well no that story's done that character is done it's like okay I might even roll that out in certain circumstances especially if they've got a very very like thematically strong death like to undo it just to carry on the story would be lame but Scott, he's ready to go he's got to think of something instead of just going I give up it's funny isn't it? Filmento Filmento at the boardroom would have said I give up there's nothing we do for him and then fucking the chuckle fucks that made Quantamania said how about we make it so that he doesn't want to save people anymore yeah that's fun don't like that okay both of your ideas are crap so let's try something else yeah we could brainstorm for more than six seconds before we commit to the idea from our multiple hundred million dollar movie yeah it feels like you could just easily draw from real life where you go through a big massive life changing event it's almost like the quote-unquote peak of your life at that point and then life kind of I know this is kind of a miraculous and shocking and just really hard to think about but life goes on after these events and things happen and people continue to reflect on their experiences and settle into new positions and then they do it again and then they do it again but in new and different ways as new situations come up again and again and like fiction can work like that like of those poor television writers you know having to do that all the time like I wonder how Filmento would react to like a television character in a long running show that has had to go through multiple character arcs throughout their journey like does he think that that's does he apply the same logic that he's using for Scott there like I'm so lost here with his logic here the point where by the end nothing about him has even significantly changed it's funny you say that because the movie itself believes that there's been a significant change it's explicit Scott says wow thanks to Cassie now I know that people need help even when I don't think they do I don't feel the problem myself whatever the fuck he said that's right the film does believe he's learned a lesson a lesson that he never had to learn it's not even a lesson he learned in the first film it's a lesson he's always it's something he's always believed it's like a basal kind of human position really you know for the most part a lot of people recognize that there's trouble or ruin even when it's not happening to you is in this movie only because he's Ant-Man and because Ant-Man is a property Marvel can use to make a movie which they did that's the case for all of them he says it like that was so final isn't it like he just did he knows he's got us now he did it he gave us the excellent point that he made if you look at Scott's daughter for example her core being here is all about being sort of anti-establishment and standing up with a little guy it's kinda hard to see through all that tear gas into the park full of peaceful protesters I don't believe you and maybe they deserved it I have not enough information to operate you should not be able to walk out of here after destroying police equipment you're a terrible person I hate you yeah if there's gonna be a lot of resentment for her from across the whole movie not just this scene okay that's true but it's all start it can't then be about her using the Ant-Man suit to stop a new super-powered serial killer or something what? what? what? what the fuck this is the VPN ad yeah when did this happen what was the Cassie thing I don't even what year is it I don't know he was saying that she if she's gonna be the next Ant-Man her own personality and it's driven based off of that and not off of the quote gimmick of being Ant-Man 2 oh I mean the film would make the argument that it is based on her characteristics they're wrong they've invented new characteristics for her in this film that aren't congruent with who she was before but it's absolutely driven by her perspective like I can only tell you what he's saying man I know that this is the case then it's worth bringing it up as a counter like her perspective on no we need to help people we need to just because it's not happening to you doesn't mean it's not happening that's not built on the gimmick of being an Ant-Man with the Ant-Man powers that's her opinion that's her perspective that's not the thing to criticise with Cassie she is very inconsistent where to make a movie with her it can't then be about her using the Ant-Man suit to stop no you don't need her for that I'm so confused for that but you can use her for that just because you don't need to be that character doesn't mean you can't use them he's somehow separating the character from like being Ant-Man from being Scott and being Ant-Girl from being Cassie like for some reason these are very separate things to him Build on who she is and again It make should evolve along with it. 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I feel very I Oreos invented Oreo's were invented in Chelsea, New York. Oh, okay He's wrong very wrong Well, people like It does feel More classic like British biscuit as opposed to yeah, all like scones or crumpets It's yeah to serve the web without being seen by that's racist No, this is we have a ma we have a miracle in a sombrero in a trumpet And we have the Mexican flag which I think is just called the Mexican flag And unlock all region divide Oh Private internet access they're they really he was splurging on the naming department budget for this VPN which protects millions of users. Yeah, oh look at them go with servers. Oh my gosh. Take that hackers Yeah Unlimited amount of devices at the same time which is one. Wow. That's a lot of devices You can protect your PS5 and look the lock is smiling Hey, they're a little lucky boy and there's even a 30-day money back guarantee. Oh check it out Okay, I am man quantum The reason this isn't even a proper Just wanna because I was curious So that that VPN was started by the guy who was in charge of the Bitcoin exchange that got hacked Well Her Ant-Man movie is because most of his content doesn't require it to be an Ant-Man movie and could instead be done with countless other properties That is Earlier I don't know why it's called Iron Man Quantum an era as a point as well But also that doesn't this this isn't necessarily a problem that could have been someone else With you know sufficient workarounds This is if the metric is could the problems have been solved by another hero then yeah, of course We could have switched out you can do that with all the movies captain Marvel gonna replace basically everybody in all their movies Exactly, so therefore every movie that isn't captain Marvel has redundant It just seems like a really weird metrics like I man could have done this like okay I mean, I guess he could have but he didn't he didn't know it's Ant-Man dead cuz it's about Ant-Man For context the thing that made the first movie special was the fact that what happened could happen only because it's Ant-Man where the hero can shrink downs So the thing about that is You know when the yellow jacket fight like and then the destruction of the buildings like it may have been Easier with an Iron Man suit Yeah It might have been I think a better point to make is that the first Ant-Man and this is true The first Ant-Man film way is much better at leveraging Ant-Man's Central powers. It's way better in terms of dealing with scale and shrinking and the way he's framed This is like solving the overall problem and it's like yeah, which is do that with a lot of Well, it just seems like it makes it really unfair for the characters that aren't super duper powerful Yeah, like any problem that Daredevil had could have been solved with Iron Man flying in and you know punching Kingpin in the face and like knocking him out instantly exactly Scott was writing and developing a relationship with an ant He was running from everyday items in massive form like water in a tub He was fighting inside a briefcase and even on a child's Problem now is making better use of yeah gimmick for sure. Yes, which it does it absolutely does And there's an argument to be made that having it set in the real world is easier because These are household objects that everybody has some familiarity with so seeing like a train set But small we're seeing a like an ants even right like an ant, but it looks really big That's easy to grasp compared to quantum flims Yeah, but obviously he framed it as like Iron Man could have done this which is weird Especially because they all didn't they all have to shrink to go into the quantum time travel shit and then yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, they do that's right In an Ant-Man movie probably mostly thanks to Edgar Wright who was a big Ant-Man fan and understood how to make it special Oh Yeah, a lot of people believe the best parts of Ant-Man are probably him, which I believe Yeah Whereas in quantum India all that is gone. There are no ant relationships or interactions with everyday items in a new way Or anything like it mostly. There's just generic superhero. This is true, but doesn't make it a cash grab Yeah Interact with ants he He said oh yo, he doesn't interact with ants. Does he need to do that? Is it that a defining part of the the specificity of Well, the ants saved the day they call me in a stance. It's only doesn't drag with them. Just not in a way that's Satisfying I guess it's interesting. It's just they just win. Yeah. Well. Yeah, cuz he had Anthony his friend Right, but he said he doesn't interact with ants in this one and that is part of his argument If we were to say what what do we need to have Ant-Man doing in his movies like growing and shrinking It's like of course like what else you know we will do you want him talking to ants like I mean, you know It's one of the main Quote-unquote powers sure I probably include it. Yeah That could be part of the whole I think the fun of it is is like with like honey I shrunk the kids and stuff like that is what if we shrunk down people or ant men or whatever And they have to interact with normal objects, but the scale is so crazy that it makes them seem Bizarre right one of the cool things about Ant-Man was like the him in a bathtub running away from water as the faucet gets turned on That's just like interesting and fun because for us. It doesn't mean anything because you know, we're big But if you shrink someone down it turns into a whole new scenario and that's fun There's a relatability to it and at the same time. It's not relatable to you get a bit of both And that's part of the fun of it fighting on top of a little train as it goes around You know even they even did this in fucking night at the museum the little Roman guy and the cowboy Yeah, the train and stuff even they even did it in those movies and it was fun So yeah more of that because everything is so alien that like none of it is relatable in a sense And they don't do anything clever with this That's not even necessary when they are because of you could say due to a lack of imagination There are a lot of basically substitutes for common household objects in Quantumania There's like regular sized buildings regular sized objects, but they just didn't take advantage of those Yeah in the Krylov fight if hope it shrunk and ran across one of the tables Yeah, you could have alien drinks that would look really interesting as they're blown up now Exactly They didn't do that Yeah, and the main culprit behind that is the idea to set this movie in the quantum Oh, that would have been really fun like a bar themed sequence where he's like on an alien bar top And there's all kinds of different colored fluid splashing everywhere in different sized glasses that he's you know running around and that are flying through places Maybe he's like he runs inside of a patron's clothes and out the other end or you know something like that You know that they could have done something really cool But instead they just sit around and Because blast blast blast blast blast blast blast Okay, we did nothing with our powers. There's why for the record It's not as simple as simply saying they set it in the quantum realm and that's the problem It's like you can still work with the quantum realm. In fact arguably you have all of the potential to work with They're not very creative. Unfortunately. No well, which may be the single worst idea in the air What if he what if he fell into a you have like a glass and it's got a bunch of ice in it And he falls in and as the bartender is pouring liquid into the glass He has to like escape it before the thing fills all the way up and he gets swirled around in it like a like a sonic Sonic And get out of the glass and it maybe has to shimmy up the straw or something And of course it's the bombastic music and the loud sound effects and pure panic And then it pans away to normal size and it's totally normal Yeah, like it cuts to Bill Murray just sleeping through the straw. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah What a fun what a cool fun power set it is to get you know shrink really tiny to completely waste, yeah Or because you lasers at each other. That's fun. So far most likely made by the XD. Oh my god Yeah, that's right. He has a promise Yes, my good on his word. Yeah Look at the story and a plot in a broad sense, okay Let's do Scott's daughter has built this device sending a signal to the quantum realm and then someone uses it to shrink Scott And his family down there which could happen with anyone as the hero. I mean I Mean in a very technical sense, maybe Well, the thing is is that because the engine has been blown up by Janet They do need shrink tax specifically which means they need these people Yeah, and I mean this is Quantum realm technology which these guys have already been fiddling with as of end of them and the wasp Like I don't know this feels like, you know if Tony stock would do in this He would have been sucked into and it's like I think we made a point about how any Scientist fucking with this might have been fucked sucked in by Modoc because he doesn't seem to be very picky about it. He was just going with signals However, it does, you know, stand a reason that these guys would be doing it since they were doing it the last we saw them This does connect directly to the technology that they were invested in What's weird about this is like, you know, this problem could have happened to any of the heroes like, okay Why is that? Yeah, you know It makes more sense that it would happen to Scott because of the reason we can't outline can can be dropped into anyone's story Why like that doesn't make it bad It could be that Iron Man is checking up on Scott's family while Scott is on holiday I mean, it could be but it's not. Yeah, why why do you say this? You must bind Scott to the story. It has to be him Otherwise, it has to be Modoc had to suck his particular DNA down. It's like that. Why it's not have to be that way Brunk down with them and do the same This is dumb as fuck yes Iron Man could be all the same things Ant-Man because Iron Man is just Ant-Man but way better other than he can't shrink Obviously it get captured by the locals and then by the villain. He wouldn't be captured. He'd kill them Well, he wouldn't I so it changed It changed things a lot. He would use as many many things Modoc's gonna do against I had bad And he'd be coerced by the villain and ultimately fight his army with the locals at the end Mostly this movie could be called Iron Man. Yeah, it would be if you replaced everything with Iron Man Yes, if you replaced one of the characters, it would be different. I agree. He's on a point Which defeats a purpose or it actually being Ant-Man yeah, it would it would defeat the purpose of it If you decided to replace Ant-Man in the last quantity sharp and Iron Man is an Ant-Man isn't boy, that would be strange Yeah, I guess it's a good thing. They didn't do that Also like very poor choice of visual back there showing giant man a very Ant-Man specific capability Well, I'm trying to make the point that it could be anyone Understand the quantum realm choice. Hey, Ant-Man's thing is that it gets small So let's make a movie where he goes to the small world. I get it. I mean, that's not horrible as an idea I don't know why we're saying it is when it's being teased multiple times. Yeah, the films But the but Janet came from in the end of the previous movie. Why would this not? It's not not a crazy progression of ideas. They just didn't do very much with it Actual effect is the opposite now that Ant-Man is in the small world It just takes away from the fact that he can become small like when everything and everyone is small It kind of by default means it's funny because Yeah, it's funny because when he says when everything is small and then shows up like normal-sized everything This is all this is all relative. So right now Yeah, and we just went over how like if he was to shrink and run across laser faces body It would look kind of crazy and interesting It's all relative like when every look at all these crazy characters if he was to shrink and run across that like sphere Hedgehog thing like that would be crazy too. It would look weird How does Ant-Man deal with this bizarre world that is beyond what he's used to in terms of size and how things Yeah, even though it is absolutely Location yeah We think and yeah Well, you have a good point there for me because as we'll as a lot of people probably know when you again as you said when you get smaller Things get weirder and so when you're getting smaller relative to the already quantum-sized things You're gonna be dealing with things on their smaller level that you're that's not gonna look the same as if you shrunk On the macro level and so that's gonna be a whole new range of challenges to deal with they don't do it in this film But there's potential is there again if they were more creative They should have messed around with physics and had that be something that was challenging The going small here messes with physics in a way that's really unpredictable Ability storm Holy shit, that was so bad Name one thing about that's not scientific They didn't tell them like the fact that MoDoc didn't even tell them about it and as soon as he gets it He's like yeah, I figure I should probably you know explain what the fuck is happening Like north of no no other use That's oh man. That's again like how how do you write that you just see someone like there were clones of you spawning for me I was like just ignore them. They don't you even though they look like you they sound like you they bear all of your memories They're you but they're not It's a thing and everyone is small it kind of by default means that nothing and nobody What a bad way to make that point when Enjoy is there water brothers? the movie cringe No one will be Everyone is small Such a weird thing that he's trying to say the idea that like DC destroyed Marvel and it's not that they both destroyed themselves I feel like the real video is here here would be like holy shit guys I have inside information that someone who works with because he's lying Planted into yeah, I know he's full of shit, but like it's just that would be you know This this reminds me of all that you know those those like ghost hunter and Though those kinds of those shows where we're looking for the monster. We're looking for the monster in the swan Yeah, and then you're like oh, I wonder if we're gonna find him is like no They didn't fucking find them because if they found The news everywhere and we would have known months ago when they filmed this shit Not when it aired like obviously they're not gonna find Bigfoot because if you believe in Bigfoot you're retard There's no fucking way that they find no all of this is fake and this is it. Why is this on the history channel? Yes, some of those shows are probably on Animal Planet a lot of the shows Like oh me and four other rednecks went into the the swamp to look for Megagater, is he going we're gonna find Megagater this week and this is on this is on the history channel and I'm like That looks like it's from the 60s that doesn't mean that this is the history channel I don't they have a really amazing CG render of this creature Well, you she's in about the other day told me that he was out in a swamp Gators late and then he heard this weird noise and it sounded like And they don't know no critters make that kind of noise it must be the chupa-cabri Absolutely, it's a thing Yeah, Gator hunting is absolutely thing. You have like bag limits and everything for it Yes, yeah, I was just thinking I want that now in my life I need rags to be the narrator for And even though Scott can still adjust his size compared to his new surroundings Oh boo, he said not much can be done with it. Not true Why do you writers think that I know is it crazy with these are writers We are known on the internet that some of the most like restrictive film reviews because everything has a correct way Do know whatever but the simultaneous you have to listen to this shit all the time with it Like there's just nothing you can do nothing you can do about this No, I don't think about it for 20 fucking seconds and come up with four or five Possibilities instead of just instantly admitting there's only one other thing they could have done and they couldn't have done that So what they did was okay, isn't this the ultimate double whammy? There's no way to take the character Scott Lang There's no interesting way to use his technology in the quantum realm. It's like, oh Yeah, this crap negativity bias here now by my writing book No, like no it clear it's clearly shit Basically an alien world without a familiar conception of size there are no everyday There were a step you don't want of the problem there You know one of the problems with the quantum realm is that it relies too much on like familiar things like from that You know the vast majority of the aliens are humanoid They have like cities that are built in a way. That's very similar to you know I have cities with crazy flying stuff around in the site like it's it's within the bounds of something that humans can really imagine Obviously, there's like there's rocks. There's trees. There's animals running around like there's definitely a Recognizable bar. It's a straight-up bar. It's not some kind of insane Construct that all of us are like, what is this? I can't understand it at all It's funny, right? They show he's showing like Antony and Ant-Man on newspaper someone home It's like you can have an alien reading an alien newspaper. There's nothing wrong with that play. Yeah, I Just like God imagination Yeah, or just just commit to it being a flimpy world That's kind of like ours, but just different and weird, but like don't try and do this weird half-and-half carpet Well, it was the worst of both worlds the quantum room isn't that alien or at the very least the alien parts of the Well, it's because all of the important people in the quantum realm of humans or Very similar to humans like you know, it's that's why that stands out so much He is a wacky looking alien guy. That's very different from anything that exists on earth Yeah, but he's like talks and he's kind of funny and he has a fun voice It's a fun little contrast right that he is very incomprehensible visually, but yet he's this he's just this cute little fellow You know just talking about his yeah, he's got some of the lies and they look around I've got my little hands and I really like that He's one of all of the characters have been introduced in like phase four and five He is really high up on my list Which just goes to show the strength of the writing in these faces that web Was the one who said it he had an arc and a character payoff. He got holes The man got holes in his He has a more congruent story than the vast majority of the characters. He didn't get assassinated He became a hole. He hasn't been assassinated yet Becommer of holes be used in a new way by playing with their proportions The proportions are all over the place. Anyway, which is why Combat whoopie-doo How they use it in combat is what the interesting part can be I Agree that having it only be in combat and not much so for traversal is a missed opportunity Yeah, sure, but like combat is still that's like saying whoop-de-doo It's like no not whoop-de-doo like I mean in Ant-Man like they're shot You're showing the scene without throwing like Thomas the tank engine stuff at each other. That's that's quite had Cassie was captured Scott wasn't because they got separated on the battlefield and Scott's to try and break into the you know prison He's doing some shrinky dinklers. He's looking around all kinds of crazy things And then you know Kang defeats him and then we carry on with the film But like we could have had all that kind of stuff in there. They just didn't do it Yeah And we it would have played into his heist knowledge is like I gotta break Cassie out of the prison and he Shrinks into the little panel in the wall and has to fidget with wires and brother. They're like really big and he's tiny Alien wires or something He goes small Something they could have done something Yes, it's definitely worse. I agree. Yes, it's worse. Yeah Definitely, there's nothing lost along the way. Yeah, if we'd never gotten the thing on the left The thing on the right would still be bad like it. Yes. Yes, it would be bad It's bad without comparison. It's bad on its own. You could have had a boss fight. Yeah, well You can't have the boss fights Kang wins instantly. That's the problem Yeah, honey how the visual effects is so much worse. What happened? I've seen so many cutscenes better than the VFX in this film. It's ridiculous. It's so rushed They were rushed. It's like crazy and probably had to redo a bunch of stuff over and over again It's better which contrast there are a couple exceptions a couple scenes and moments where this being ant-man Factors in moments like Scott's daughter shrinking down into a vent to escape the floating head moments like Hank pimps And showing up to save the day Come on don't do this. Oh my gosh, this reminds me of the bad part of the movie. Yeah Yes, you should have lasted a bit longer than one second and being used I agree just one ants ex Machina you say that like it's not the most important thing that happens in the movie though Like it is well use it for more than this. It's like this is the this is the thing it is the most consequential thing because Like it if they win the battle, they would have lost if not the ants It's like you said in the video the answer the only thing that mattered in that final battle Yeah, it's the point where she if she hadn't called them in and if that man have waited they could just let the ants do everything Lost so many soldiers Nope, that's right. They wouldn't be invaporized in order to let Cassie escape Apparently they passed through some sort of time dilation they live thousands of years in a single Is that the banjo-kazooie like sound effect that I heard it now a game might be it's familiar to me definitely Oh Trapped in a bottle. Yeah, oh, yeah Stans I think yeah Yeah, oh my god, is that sands from undertale? Yes, I think it might be oh my god It's sands from undertale stealing scene where Scott dives into the villains blown up engine to shrink it down now Yes, there are some nonsensical derogatory aspects here as well Wait, oh, yeah Probably not the right word, but derogatory Yeah, I don't know. It's not that cool for sure, though That's consistent with his The scene itself is derogatory, you know, it's like wait, what? I'm trying to think of what we meant to say, but okay, I Think he's just saying that shit Like there were shit aspects of this scene. So why do you say derogatory? I don't know because That sounds like a negative word. Yeah, he's that implies negative emotions or something Blown-up engine to shrink it down. Now. Yes, there are some nonsensical derogatory aspects here as well Well, yeah, I mean nonsensical would have covered that why just why did you choose the word derogatory? No, you gotta throw in another word. You gotta have two or three words to describe it one's not good enough Nonsensical derogatory That's been made massive and what's with the arbitrary cloning stuff fair enough But that aside this scene is still if not the best then at least the most deserving It might be the most deserving scene. What does he say? This might be the worst scene in the film I think he means most deserving of like being called in the Ant-Man movie. What the probability storm Is it because of the part with the ants where he controls them all to make the work together. Yeah That can happen only in an Ant-Man movie Only happen in an Ant-Man movie. Well, no because this is not to do with that man himself We were outside of the bounds of logic. You could give and remember one and it would make any man failed It didn't work wasp flying was the what succeeded He could have gone up accounts because the wasp is part of Ant-Man's franchise. Ah, yeah It's okay. This is this scene is this bit. What do you reckon it? What would be the worst scene than this in this film? This is probably the worst. Oh, this is probably the worst scene It's fucking that shit and I Just I hate the entire Thesis here that like the only way you can have good scenes in this movie is if they couldn't have happened In any of to any other character Any other move like if the whole movie was just a character drama That happened on earth with Scott and his family and there were no shrinking scenes at all You could still do really interesting things. I just don't buy this idea that like well all this like the whole movie Needs to only work if it's Ant-Man or else. It's not an Ant-Man movie. It's just so stupid. Yeah, no nobody buys into that He doesn't well. He's definitely contradicted this in another video for sure What are the rules on making an ensemble movie? Well, yeah, and you know it forget I asked I think um if he was to make the argument of the part where he Controls all of them with the ant-tech is why it's an ant-man only scene. I'll just be like I was about to say that's fucked up mind control and only the Scott's And it didn't work Basically one Scott gets a grip on his enemy Yep, he's literally praising it for that good job. Wow Yeah, I know it's genius isn't it I know it's brilliant. Yeah Now maybe I'm hyping this up a bit too much. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. You are hyping it up That is an understatement But the point is that this any hyping of this scene is too much is a scene you want to look for in your movie Is that of bill? Oh God, it's a scene in my movie. I failed My I forgot he's trying to convince people that this is how you should make a fit His original point was this is a cash grab so I think he's forgotten that as well, but it's somehow I remembered it Building whatever a generic scenes that any movie could do use the specialty of your movie to do things that no one other than you can do Use the specialty of your movie. Yeah, it's no it's like the quality of being special I don't think that that's not specialty What he wants to say is as simple as make sure an ant-man movies are uniqueness ant-man is the needed for his ant-man stuff Didn't you already say the problem was that it's Scott not being needed for Scott stuff? Yes You see I a man could have been sucked down there and I a man could have still blowed up Kang so stupid It's funny that we say this is another thing about the MCU that's inevitable You can't keep I and man's tech to him Especially with how the Pims want to spread it to the whole world. I'm sorry Especially when you have so many fucking ant people in the family It's just not an ant man only power at this point. They shrink and grow their cars and houses Why wouldn't the Iron Man of the world have a shrink as well? I don't I don't know why not fuck it Everybody should have everything at this point and it would suck Sucks anyways The only way an ant-man movie isn't a cash grab is if it's actually built with the fact that it's an ant-man movie Yeah, it's just terrible logic. No in every way It's terrible. I want to make I want to make a movie making an ant-man movie make him go big Make him go small and make them fight with salt shakers do it He goes inside of a toaster they have a toaster battle do it quick And then what if it was the ant-man equivalent of the Force Awakens where it's just spamming the anti-migrant use you know Like they find some like in the Director wants to do like a character drama and they're like this probably won't make any money But like they have a really good idea or something like that So they do some sort of very grounded story mostly people talking in rooms There's no shrinking involved at all a lot of people might not be into that But like you could do that with these characters you could They can go tiny but not too tiny. We got a safe some room for the sequel I'm just blown away by the fact that it's like a cash grab right up until you have something to do with ant-man and the Ant-Man movies like that's the boss a cash grab That would that would mean that the The emoji movie is not a cash grab by his definition That's true Is not a cash grab because it has lines in it if it was definitively believable a massive hole in his argument with two seconds Never have imagined this from a Phil Mento thesis. It's unbelievable If it was definitively proven that T2 and aliens are both cash grabs. We're like, I don't give a shit The great they were good though. Yeah, that's the thing. It's so weird to focus all of this around this movies What he wants to say But he has to like he has to have something profound to say it has to be go it has to go further than that It's like can't just be bad. No, that's something I talked about at the end of my quantum video It's like it's just bad man. It's bad writing. It's so mundane and lame. Isn't it that it's just bad It's just shitty writing from shitty writers Because he has to prove guys that he has an insider that sabotage this fucking Oh, yeah, we're still waiting any moment any second he's gonna tell us God apparently I'm on fucking dial-up look at the way There's loading this meme What is this why is this happening? Now you sound fine it's a must-be discord issue because you sound just fine Yes, so that's about today has not been the day for technically sound production All about Kang oh, so this is gonna be about how the movies bad because it focuses too hard on Kang and setting him up Go ahead. Tell me about how this movie makes Kang look good Thirdly the reason quantumania is a cash grab is because it shamelessly uses ant-man's value to generate value for something Isn't why does it make it a cash grab what why does he make it a cash grab and what's wrong with having a good villain? Well, I mean what's wrong with building a villain inside one of the movies. Yeah, you could totally do that Thanos is built up in other movies Partially before he comes up in infinity war. I mean like he's built up in Thor before he shows up in Avengers So weird and then just to be instead of being like a sign of the movie being shitty is that you know Time is taken away from the hero in order to build up a villain for another film That's an argument of some kind but to then say and that's evidence of it being a cash grab. I pray smaller Oh, yeah, I mean if they managed to pull that off ant-man like I already mentioned Scott Lang has no purpose or agency And you were wrong about both of those but that's okay. Yeah Maybe just say it it'll be true And taken prisoner by someone else and brought to the villain by and you didn't mention the power He goes fucking ham on the buildings at the end of the movie. You keep ignoring that part. Why are you doing that? You got to acknowledge the big agency there. Oh my god, you're getting big mad who You're molding You're saying feel me, you know, why aren't you showing the big ant man? Well, your name is Fringy Is that make me angry when I say your name? His name is nervous for me. Yeah, you're I can call him fill me. What's wrong with that? I'm just so you Mulder now. It's a bit angry I didn't mean to upset you Fringy. I'm sorry We can all be pulled together We can all be pulled together now. I'm just imagining a bunch of bald people like joining hands and song Someone else and then used by the villain. He's a plastic bag in the wind. Stop saying He was a stick in the water. No, he's a bag in the wind He's not in the driver seat He gets driven along to react to except when he doesn't Even this is not a good argument for what a cash grab is because if that's true Then then fury road where Mad Max has absolutely no agency for the first half of it is a terrible Well, can we just say Big Lebowski's apparently the biggest cash grab in history then it's almost with passive characters. They are they Cash grabs necessarily because the character isn't driving immediately immediately Man oh no Weird stuff. Hey, I'm bad. You just drank me. Look at him without Without any real sense of where he is or what's going on. Is that another requirement for cash grab? We're talking about the film of the video Yes Can be both because you understand like this video is a complete mess because he's like conclusion Quantity bad. Why cash grab. All right, so every single thing I spot that's of interest means it's a cash grab Michelle Pfeiffer is in this film Cash grab be about something or someone else. There are these constant ominous references to someone with the mom freaking Oh my god a lot of this hinges on the meta doesn't it because if you didn't know that Kang was gonna show up anymore You were coming into this you just have no you you'd have no awareness of this is a problem potentially Something I should have told him with the multiple characters talking about quote-unquote him. He will burn the world to find you Dude, I hate that line so much So Yeah, so what it when she says world what even in her mind is she Yeah, but like what I think of world. I'm like, oh planet well and remember Rags This is after she's confirmed definitively that there's a world above or around her own, but she doesn't care No, it doesn't matter So you love the idea that if aliens landed we poke Like with sharp sticks of them and said are you spies and then we find out they're not and then we lose interest in them That just be crazy. Wouldn't it? Yeah, it would be crazy Well quickly it becomes clear that Ant-Man is playing second fiddle to the new big bad of the MCU You you have a lot of explaining to do You have a lot of arguments to make good luck sir We learn about Kang's backstory of being exiled and trapped like we do with many villains in films. Yep Thanks motivations of dimensional domination Yeah, I would like to know what his motivations are. Yes, you're like that's pretty straightforward, too Thanks actions of pushing the plot by pushing other and pretty much What like like the villains of the other Ant-Man films Well, like everything Obadiah does in Iron Man pushes Iron Man Yeah, I mean, isn't that a good thing when the villain is like actually having an impact on the plot in the main character I'm sure you would make a video talking about how that's a good thing. Yeah film perfection How to make an effective villain and he's gonna talk about how the agency of the hero is affected by the villains interests and push and pull on the plot Not here though. Everything here revolves around Kang This is a post-credits scene, but is it bad if all of the events of a film revolve around a villain's interests It's a cash grab because of that Everything revolve around the Horned King's interest in the Black Cauldron, huh? Also, yes, if you won't be the more relevant example, that's probably fair It's not a question of whether or not it's bad film because it you know revolves around this question whether or not it's a cash grab Yep, exactly. That's the problem Freeze absolutely right because it yeah, of course, it's a bad film and you know, but is it bad because or is it a cash grab? very specific Not shown in any way that it is and his argument here in this part his part three is that it's a cash grab because It revolves around the bad guy, which is Stupid it's a famous common elements of cash grabs is that they revolve around the villain infinity war Way more revolves around Thanos like Thanos is arguably the control and everything. Yeah, everyone's reacting to her screen time He gets a huge amount of development in that film Like the pivotal scenes are all around him. They talk about him constantly Thanos is coming. Oh, you know him like he's coming and he's gonna cause trouble I led Empire Strikes Back. It's the Empire after the rebels Vader after Luke. That's what's happening in the whole film It's reacting and escaping from the good the bad guys. So does that make it a catch? The funny thing is Was a cash grab they probably like let's make some fucking money Star Wars It's huge a lot of money with with yeah with the infinity war, you know That was planned ahead of time before there was a clear idea what that plot was gonna be and I wanted to make a lot of money And they succeeded This is so stupid You want to build up your new villain. Yeah, but the problem is that it's done by someone else's movie, which just ends up ruining The main character of the film it's always going to be developed in relation to the hero in someone else's story The low key example would come up. He was developed fully in Thor's movie Where else would the villain fucking up here in his own movie called villains The villain We have to have a Thanos movie before we have infinity war and all that stuff We have to have that I don't know Crazy things to try and advise people and it's like stop is terrible advice Why would you say this this I Don't know Because in his own movie he's reduced to being a passive vessel. No, he's not you keep saying he's not He is active in this film you I find this annoying because he as you pointed out He's used the visual the big visual of look I'm the biggest ant man ever and I'm gonna beat you up and then he starts beating everyone up That's the thing he does force to do that Obviously the film got a obviously chopped up a lot in the editing But I mean the ending was definitely meant to be the ant man was going to sacrifice himself to trap Kang in the quantum room That's a good agency pushing Cassie through the portal and fighting him This thing both super someone else like why do you call it ant man quantum mania and put him in the center if he's not the center if Kang is not the center Time It begins and ends with him and the of the normal when he learns his lesson. He learns that helping people is good My brain is becoming dumb what the fuck is happening. Yeah, I'm kind of yeah He wants a Kang centric film. No, he's saying it is Kang sang trick He's saying it is Kang centric and that's makes it a cash grab Yeah They do that all the time it's fine Every bond film every bond film ever I mean the vast majority of all villains are yeah fall under this category like the vast Can you believe they fucking develop Vada in Luke's film insane? Probably like 97 plus percent now if not more yeah baller or Fringy did you say Loki? Yeah, I mean they said that Fringy bringing that one up is kind of perfect because it's super early on and Loki went on to be the Villain in Avengers in Avengers which they knew they knew that that was gonna be the case They were developing him and Loki to be the villain in Avengers. So it's the same The only argument you make as well Loki is more directly connected to Four but I mean still it's building him up for a subsequent appearance So by his logic then those movies are bad am I understanding what he's saying correct? Well, no not that they're bad, but it's a cash grab Yeah, but by his logic Nothing makes sense by his logic. It's all just fucking nonsense Can you believe they develop magneto in the X-Men's film, right? Magneto Just basically the majority of villains most films are about the protagonist not the villain I mean some of them focus a lot on the villain silence of the lambs focuses on on Hannibal Lecter so much Right and Clarisse is basically not in it, but she's clearly the hero of the film So by this argument silence of the lambs is just another cash grab. Yeah And on the other hand a Kang is ruined because the movie doesn't go all the way and actually put him in the center either Attention, but the film doesn't go all the way and making him the center of attention How does this clarify how to write? He also has a book on writing Yes, I'm saying it's all channel based on a right advice about writing and specifically We'll break down this so you know how to do it better By the way, let me see the night not trying to be too much of a dick to him because everybody has their way of approaching everything But I have a feeling that he decided early on. I'm not just gonna review films I got to make it sound more important than that. It's got to be like no This is a grand lesson to take away from this film be the failure or success because every film fits into failure or success every time Which is really awkward like they don't it's not a binary It's not like success or failure, you know, you can succeed and fail in a variety of different ways And it depends on what the objectives were of the creators, too We see this happen a lot a lot of people that we cover on e-fap, you know youtubers and stuff They are channels about giving writing advice and teaching us how to write and tell stories and they're all just they suck So bad and they give this this bizarre just Strange This is not helpful Anti-helpful, you know, he just gave advice that goes against the majority of storytelling Yeah, but he and that's it goes unrecognized like he doesn't realize that that's what he's done Like again, you as much as we talk about how it doesn't give you everything the standard You know three-act structure heroes journey character should grow like this is that's way more useful to you as like basic standard generally useful writing advice compared to these crazy like Rules that are being like invented in real time. I Don't see how this could help you I feel like this is only gonna make things like if you if you actually took every single piece of writing advice You you'd end up with so much contradictory conflicting like advice Couldn't follow his rules because they would be contradictory into confusing you just he is I would say that he's Indistinguishable from like AI generated writing tips, but I think he'd be worse No, I kept thinking it too. I kept thinking it the things he's saying It sounds like he put it in a chat tbt and then he was like make this sound smarter and that's it Yeah, yeah, I'll put this in a chat tbt and then I'll narrate it horribly and then I'll get some visuals And that'll be my video and I'll call it Because I'm a fucking charlatan. You sing his videos a cash grab The thing is is that this particular piece of advice is so extraordinarily bad that I like because the idea here then is that your villain should be paper thin and completely undeveloped That's what he's arguing for because if your your your villain isn't Completely undeveloped then he should have his own goddamn film the moment It has the the moment it it catches the tiniest whiff of Development then you're undermining the hero's presence and that makes it a crab and you suck balls Yeah, we talk about like giving writing advice How many people who'd be watching this who have like ambitions of writing are gonna be in a position where they're gonna be writing The 31st entry and like a big long-running franchise and need to understand the nature of how to avoid writing a cash grab film Like it's so Most people are never gonna have to deal with like the average person who'd be watching these videos would need like writing advice on How to write their first standalone story with their own characters, you know I mean like it's stories. Yeah, and you start Stories and just write a couple stories Scribing things learn how to this is like you're learning how to write not even like tell stories, but how do you write? How do you convey information? Text yeah, exactly It'd be like grammar like formatting basic things like that like before we start Before we start writing our own little Lord of the Rings here little token, aren't you? Here's how you write here's how you just spell and format things basically and here's how you describe I am and that's that's boring right that's boring shit I'm gonna we're gonna talk about the next Marvel movie even though it's super essential, you know Yep, you gotta work on the foundation elements of style Like the way the way that he narrates right like he is really shit And I feel like if you're going to be a writer if you're going to be someone who puts, you know Thoughts to texts and conveys concepts that you would you just be better at the basic elements of a video You know, I mean English is clearly the second language. So he's getting maybe I don't know like maybe Specialty doesn't mean that having the quality of being special like how could you how could like what? How could you say that? What's wrong with you? Yeah Also, I just find it funny. We're going back to this video being a cash grab He does have a villain in this in this Video that's both the focus but also not the focus at the same time That's the main main hookah laughter this video now because Totally else and on the other hand Loan It's not just writing books. It's writing books about selling them about Writing and selling them for money. He charges money for his What was the tonaldism for like some more big or something more bigger? Oh Help me out. What was it more something? Like is it huge bigger or was like something like that? It was something yeah chat help me help me out quiz chat huge more. It's huge more a huge more amount. Yes, that's it Oh Doesn't go all the way and actually put him in the center either aside from short back story moments We don't even meet him in person until much later on so fucking confused by you He's an old problem was loose in the sense of now. He's not really Guys this is an alien. He's at the center But he's not at the center enough because we only get a few moments here and there also, you know It genuinely came across as Ant-Man movie he needs to be in the center instead Kang is but if you really want Kang in the center You should have done it this way like what? What have them have them shown up sooner? Why from Apple in? If you know that the Lord of the Rings like the trilogy it would have worked without the intro It would have been if you took out the intro right which you should never do because it's great but it would have worked without it and then you could have had the Sauron reveal like later or Like even an Andor right you don't really get the reveal of the Empire being a thing until Like not even in the first three episodes really they're just sort of spoken about you know You don't have to have a quick reveal of your villain. They could Wait, oh, do we get the scene with the the Bureau there is that an episode four? I yeah, I don't think the Empire really gets involved in the story until I might be right about that Yeah, yeah, it's the security force Yeah, really low level Referred to By the way on the Batwoman episode top comment. I seriously thought this series was dead It's like dad going out to buy milk and actually coming back. It's incredible Happens but I sorted it out. Anyway, that needs to be on our that needs to be on our list of movies to watch is Jumanji Long time. Oh, no. Yeah Outside in we get a sense of his history and intention sure but never through his eyes Apparently he was I'm so fucking confused. Is that good or bad? What I don't know And then why is it good or bad if it's a little bad? Yes, exactly. Tell me if it's good or bad. Tell me why it's good or bad It's important that you tell me why something is good or why something is bad if you're giving advice I don't want to just we make it simple. We just go that doesn't make sense. There you go Yeah, I don't know why I'm doing something not just trying to copy something without understanding what I'm trying to copy because We've seen that recently and that doesn't work out. It's a cash grab all the way down In a bad guy, but we don't really get to see why apparently he wants to destroy timelines to stop something He doesn't say why god damn it. Why don't you make me do this? It's so horrible This very scene defend it he says Versions of me are like children when it comes to handling time and they're gonna fuck everything up I got to stop him Janet says so really you doing this because you want to fuck him up for revenge And then he's like, yeah, kind of fuck him and then she's like, yeah Well, you're gonna kill a bunch of people in in the middle of all that and he's like, I don't care That's what the film did it's shit very shit should have been way better But that doesn't mean we don't have a motive or we don't understand what he's doing. It's just crap May I nitpick may I know for a second. No, he got the title of the movie wrong in the title of his video Do you know why I think it was cuz yeah, he probably felt it was too long and it makes the thing It may very well be you might be right now Yeah, yeah, he has to put his anatomy of a failure in there Yeah, cuz he what I have to do ant man and the Why wouldn't you just call it a cinematic cash grab and out of your failure is like what you need the how to build a I mean, I mean to be fair, you know, the wasp is like she's barely a part of this film It could be out of sight of what he actually was just thinking yeah, I'm on quantum ania. What do you mean? I'm out of the wasp constantly just he didn't even have to have the Ant-Man That's definitely you need that for yeah algorithm Ant-Man 3 cash grab failure Anatomy of a quantum Yeah Never grows beyond the shallow ominous references surrounding him. He never grows beyond the shallow ominous references Where he does explain his motives? Oh, he's gonna play them all over each other to make it seem like it's not coherent it is it's just them boring Yeah, you're right. This is his motive rent. Isn't it? Yeah He basically says like I want to kill all the people who fucked me up. I hate them I don't gonna kill a bunch of people in the process. It sucks It's just like so many Marvel villains. They're so happy to just make the murderous psychopaths and that's it We don't care No, I mean I kind of agree. I don't care like nobody really cares about his motive because it was so shit Yes Like he's he's he's immediate Yeah You anime noising It's not undeluted and it's very simple, but there is a motive. It's there And he's even saying I don't even care about your motive, but it's fucking there. Yeah, but he doesn't care about it. Yeah You don't care about it. It doesn't exist. Yeah, but it's a cash grab also. That's that's thematically very appropriate for this movie Oh Isn't allowed to be the hero and where the villain is you did not fucking establish the hero isn't allowed to be the hero You can't even make that argument. He does two of the biggest hero things ever He goes huge and takes on the entire like army and he stays behind to fight him to the death Scott is very much a hero in this it's just they fucked up the character. They should say how did you not bring up? How do you watch this film and not think that's weird when he said Cassie taught me that I could care about people or whatever. I do not red flag to you Too shallow to carry the load either to the point of becoming yet another Remember guys, it's a cash grab if you focus on the villain even if you don't focus on the villain It's a cash grab at bcgi To end the universe which may make him But at this point not much more and to explain this further I'll give you a successful example on both sides. Oh, what the fuck are we doing now? Oh Okay, I even though the joker in the dark night steals the show the movie Don't you think that batman is basically trailing the joker throughout the dark night and he's reacting to everything the joke is doing This is a cash was that a cash grab thing? I don't know He's always batman's movie batman. Batman killed the fuck out of that driver. Okay No, he didn't he's fine This batman doesn't kill. Oh shit. You're right. He's doing things which prompts a situation leading to the joker's rights With word out we hire the clown batman and his actions are always at the center It's always anchored in what he thinks. I don't know that that's true I don't all this means where we watch joker doing things. Well, batman's always reacting to joker I don't know that this counts I feel like this has the same qualifications. You're just making shit up as you go along And in fact, I'm pretty sure all the This is an argument that people make about the dark night is that it's the joker's movie more than batman. That's true That's a perspective that's around. That's not a perspective. The only person who takes out about ant man is you If anything ant man in the war's quantum area is modox movie. Okay, he's the one that dragged them in there He's the one that got all the things in place for kangen and then attack And he saved the multiverse true Whereas in infinity war, even though it's an avengers movie Thanos is the central character the movie I wonder if you came up with that or if you just took it from what everyone else said Hence with him it shows scenes from his perspective in addition to him speaking about his perspective. It goes I mean, so it's a cash grab There are scenes where kangen is the prv I was about to say you get about the same amount of thanos as you do kangen. It's just better written in infinity war Yeah, exactly because i mean infinity war has to balance a lot more characters No, and also I have a question guys. So everything so far what he's saying is this is a cash grab When did he say then that this being a cash grab is bad? I think it's just banked into the premise. Yeah, it's like leaning onto gimmick as a word It's got the negative kind of take cash grabs are bad gimmicks. You would probably look at you We had like little cash grabs are bad, you know Yeah, what are you talking about you fool But but everything so there are a lot of movies Based on this category that are cash grabs. So they're bad, right? He doesn't realize how broad and sweeping his rules are he doesn't know He doesn't know he doesn't know. Yes. That's That's the regular would say he does he know and he doesn't I'm just at the point where bad yet. I bet he would wait. I want to find out about this We've only got like a minute left for this saboteur. Oh god, you're right, brothers Hey, but okay It feels as though at this point you just take a movie you think is about like fails the box office, right? So what's like the newest thing that's failed? Let's just go with indiana jones. Fuck it. What's wrong with indiana jones? Like clearly what's wrong with it is They shouldn't be I'm just like well not don't pick like an actual thing like pick a made-up thing Like The fact that this one the fact that space is mentioned at all space should never be mentioned in indiana jones content Yeah, just And then and then he's like if you check out the first indiana jones There's no space mentions same for the second and third one They mentioned space a bit in the fourth one and that's considered bad. So clearly my formula is correct I've nailed it correlation equals causation. Yeah, it's just if we want to follow this video though Right the problem with the indiana jones would be the fact that he doesn't spend enough time As dr. Jones and instead is this weird indiana who is not the same thing Meanwhile remember that's the first 10 minutes of this Well, yeah, because this is split into three parts. It's like the the scott's characterization is not relevant ant man's Not relevant to this compared to like an iron man, and then the kang is the center of the movie But he's also not And then all of it's a cash grab. It's it's a fucking wild video All in on the choices and sacrifices he has to make to get what is after Gonna be careful on the music thing May not agree with Thanos, but they are brought into his head to view the world from the angle He views it from I mean You can you can make this argument for kang. I just don't think it's it the problem is bad writing It's not what you're talking about And in this manner you have to decide which way to go and go all the way If you want this to be an ant man movie then keep ant man at the center by making him cause things to happen and by He really shouldn't have brought up the dark knight because Saying the dark knight was the hero movie so fascinating with how much joker is in that movie and how influential joker is And how iconic it's like a lot of things devoted to him And you know what going back to mauler's point earlier Ant man was the one who jumped into the quantum portal to save everyone So Yeah, this sentence doesn't make sense already Wait, he's trying to construct like we need to make it so he has a reason to go to quantum realms Like oh you mean like he does Like like the movie. Yeah, so it's so this is so weird Making it be about him instead of reducing him into a spectating role in his own movie Or if you want to see What about you said that what did he say the best scene was the quantum probability fleam A quantum probability matrix hole whatever and that's all him It is Him in the wash Yeah, he says It's it really it really is just like we only have a really bad ai generated We have many hours. Okay No, I'm saying we only have a minute for him to to talk about the mole Well, obviously he only needs a few seconds because he's gonna say their name and he's gonna show the imdb page and it's gonna be amazing So what by his logic By his logic scott should be the one who jumps into the portal goes directly to kang saying I have I have knowledge of your problem. I can fucking fix it And then and then he fixes it and that that makes this so weird Like see there's a problem. I can describe the problem right? I know what your issue is You are you are saying the word logic when you say his logic without including quotes around it It is his quote logic And that's the important part you have to understand that his idea of logic in this video Is not what we would describe as the uh definitional idea It's so weird. It's so like did he did he write this and go what a great video? This is he never read it. He never read it till he put it on here. Oh my god You know like how It's like those challenges where you have to draw something without looking at all your lines Or you have to draw a picture without your your your pen ever leaving the paper That's kind of like what this is in terms of scripting Yes But he never looked down and he just is like that's fine It's probably probably looks like a house See him from inside out instead of reducing him to a set of references Spotted out verbally because otherwise it's quite clear that you're using this thing with inherent value to generate It doesn't have inherent value shut up, but we're not going to get into it It's not worth it's not worthy of the discussion artificial value for something that may or may not have value What the fuck what the fuck I I mean like he's actually just saying words I feel like I'm I feel like this is contradictory, but I'm not I'm not very You're probably right. I'm a little gassed out on Filmento now Yeah, it's almost Let's find out about the water brothers guy What I'm making is a cash grab existing. Yeah, you said that a lot. I don't agree, but that's Yada yada I want all the Filmento video lessons in one place the Filmento book Get your fucking book off the screen now Anatomy of film perfection I just want to get to the water brothers saboteur. Come on. We're getting there Oh, yeah Can keep filling Telling yeah, we got oh promised to expose that dc double agent pulling the strings at marvel, right Then again simply by using that topic. I got you watching this far. So Did he actually Mark brown does We had two of these in this out of this. Were you kidding me? trick twice Mark brown did it because he's in the opposite Why would you do this to us? Wait, wait, is he gonna DLC the identity of the person? He's DLCing it. Yeah He's just like I'll tell you in a different video or sometimes we didn't get to know the secret of mario's jump We didn't get to find out when plot armor is good actually and we didn't get to find out the water brothers double agent I swear to god We all just to knock me down. Yeah, we Keep getting away with this Your nonsense guidelines What did you do? Sorry, sorry rags. Where did you come from? I was about to give him his fucking knife back, but You carry on He was lying It's it's that he was had the gall to be like, ah, I tricked you I thought he was gonna give a shitty answer. Not that he'd say lol. I'm not telling you bye He fucking gave us his motive. He said it made you watch this video So I'm gonna use it to make you watch someone else again That's the thing that's my problem with this because imagine watching this as an actual viewer You're a fan of this and he fucking does this to you slimed you Nickelodeon slime No, Nickelodeon slime is fun Okay, you can still slime you it's like if the slime was acid This isn't fun. Don't just merge the good name of Nickelodeon slime I'll have you know that there are times where if I would Nickelodeon slimed I would not find it fun That's that circumstance not the slime itself. You can't blame the slime if someone misuses it I'm saying he slimed you which makes the sliming bad The slime in general you can do whatever. Yeah, but Nickelodeon slime is different Nickelodeon slime you No, and it was in a time that you did not want to be slimed rags. And that's why it's bad Oh, no, this changes everything Watching this bar. So boy, that's right now Right now I don't want to be a video later on dick ever for now though to make he said if ever Oh my god We may never find out all three those are the three grand secrets of efap now the mario's jump plot armor and this thing Ridiculous No, fucking chilling Why why would I give you money? Why would I give you money after this? Fuck you Get a job Go back to the fire nation, you know, I'm on D. Doc's one of those people who should be grateful He was born in the 21st century or whenever because whenever Go back to the womb go back to the shadows He'd be slaving away in a mine somewhere. He was born a century ago. He'd suck at it Now since we were on the wonderful topic of marvel I feel it's easy to get into the topic of the death of sincerity in blockbusters Wow, I'm gonna I'm gonna pee Oh, you look interesting. Um, I'm gonna be back. Is this dune part two? What is this? I'm also going to pee and feed my I'm gonna agree. Well, you I think the death of sincerity is a good is It's uh, I'm I'm leaving now. Oh That's what that means The death of sincerity is the equivalent of i'm leaving now at blockbusters I'm going to bed. Oh, that's what that means. I see. Oh, okay. Uh, well, thanks for jumping on dude. Yeah, we appreciate Yeah, it was something which video is your favorite It was bamboozled. Yeah, you got both bamboozlings Yeah, I know It was something thanks for having me guys. I appreciate it. Absolutely. Thanks for joining us Joey. Congratulations on five years What's the gift for the five-year anniversary? Did you wood? I think Wood we all get wood I'm already there. Amen. Perfect Congrats and enjoy the rest of the stream. Thank you Boy, so that last video man, right like it's not like Not only did he move the goalposts so many times It's like there wasn't a goalpost And i'm not entirely sure there's a field. I think he knew as well. He knew what he was doing. He knew what he was up to That ended all the same Doing that at the end just like how can you make? How can you make a video about cash graphs and then do that? Yeah, like there's no self-awareness none zero Well, but he he's he's a writer with integrity. He can tell when something is written without integrity. You see Yeah, of course. Sure. Anyway, buy his thing Yeah, buy his book and his sponsor Uh, tune in next time and maybe he'll give you your the industry secrets Where is it? I'm gonna go get some booze. I need booze from in hell. I'm gonna just check. Phil Manto Available in all shitty bookstores near you. Is that the fourth time we've covered him now? Remember the first time? Yeah, everyone's mad at us. That was for underwater. Yeah, well, it happens a lot the first time Oh, that was the first time was underwater. I think it was underwater. Yeah, because it was all That video I said it was an alien ripoff And then his whole video he kept advising it how to be more like alien It's just classic Phil Manto the Bit interesting channel I just don't get it. The guy's got like 800,000 subs Well the thing he just covers every single new movie that comes out and decides if it's a success or failure And then makes up from what he gathers after one watch of why it was a success or failure And then just shoves it in tries to comb it all up into one solid Bit of advice like a lesson about filmmaking I wish there was a way to get Like if you can have an AI take all of his videos and scripts and just like condense it down into a paragraph Like what would it say? You know, why would you do that? I don't know it. I I don't know why I would Like oh, there's a two star rating in amazon about his book. Oh, no that high. Oh that high What's into written form what is already on youtube nothing new lots of typos less entertaining Oh, no, we're interesting if you did reproduction script doctoring rather than post viewing critiques. Okay But there are a lot of I don't know how you have typos in the modern eight You know, there's just no there's no excuse as a writer to have typos in your book in 2023 there's there's you don't have an excuse. Maybe they're the kind that can like slip through correction things Um, but I don't know Yes, I wonder if I can maybe like maybe grammatical mistakes sure based on your style like when I type I I could I'll I'll use like maybe sentence fragments because the way that I type is supposed it's supposed to reflect How one might speak, you know, that's pretty normal, but if you're like writing a book and you have typos It's like what what's your excuse? Did you not want if you're gonna put out quickly red line under your words A book that advises on writing you're gonna want to get someone to check that before you publish, you know Hey, make sure it's not a book on editing all right. Let's be clear It's a book on how good you are writing. You better make sure you're right. Okay in it, you know Yeah, there it is. How much how much is it 10 bucks? Skindle 10 bucks kindle Does it come in a hot bath? Oh We hope Yeah, it's just a virtual release Let us look at the death of sincerity. Shall we? All righty the death of sincerity Well, that happened the death of sincerity in block but of an ancient But that's fine. That's fine. Can I can I nitpick? Absolutely. That's the forsaken chick. She's not in a blockbuster though So that that's just my nitpick I guess a triple a game is kind of like blockbustery The game is sincere though. I agree with that. It's just that you you went through out of free That's my nitpick I like the fuck one here Yeah, oh no, this person has a video in defense of the last Jedi. Oh, no That's okay. I I was it's okay That's fine. I'm sure they've grown as a person since then it's fine. They've been on a knock So recently I was scrolling through twitter and I came across this one tweet posting this clip from mission impossible rogue nation All right, let's do it. It's not your decision to make Oh, wait, free. He's not here. Never mind. We gotta wait. He's right. He's back. Well, meme is not here. Meme isn't here um What's that? Oh, it means that he's here. He's just muted. It's fine. I've just received special revelation from God that meme wants us to continue. I see that's incredible. Oh my gosh. That's incredible I am a field agent. I know the risks carry on more than that. I am your friend We're gonna we're gonna do this the classic way of just playing three or four seconds and then pausing for Wait, it's not what is it doing? Well, are we as it started? Yeah, is it not for anyone? Oh, maybe I have I have to refresh. Yeah, let me refresh mine. Okay, I'll pull us back as well Refreshing refreshing Being So recently I was scrolling through twitter and I is it working? Yeah, I got it. Nice Came across this one. That is an interesting sweater from an impossible rogue nation It's not your decision to make Ethan Yeah, I am gonna have to be very careful. You see I'm gonna go And then then we can play more of it. This is from rogue Yeah, this is the scene that we said we liked. Yeah Field agent, I know the risks. It's the only time benji gets to do something as a character He didn't get to have more than this More than that. I am your friend no matter what I tell the polygraph every week now. You called me Yeah, because you needed my help To watch Simon peg act. It's like you don't get to do this anymore He doesn't get many opportunities to act. It's a shame He's kind of like goofy guy, but he's really good. Yeah And you still man, so I am staying Yeah, it's a perfectly serviceable dialogue scene not exactly shakes beer, but It gets the job done. I didn't see anything particularly egregious about it And then I looked at the caption on the tweet which just reads what's with this disney channel last Oh, I recall this I recall this tweet and then everyone was like what the fuck is wrong with you. This is a good scene. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so me too Moller you wanted me to watch then did you want me to watch this and then say don't look at the comments Just watch this scene and yeah, because I wanted to know If you in isolation thought there's something wrong with it because I didn't think there was I was like, no, it's in they okay to me Yeah, I like it Dialogue followed by three crying emojis now I don't know this random twitter person and I have absolutely no intention of starting a beef with them But this just struck me as a really weird what and yet here we are I was thinking it Start a beef with him. I'm just gonna make a video about it. He wants to talk about the subject. Okay. It's unfortunate That's the vehicle. How can we use these multiple copies of all these books? Look at the books. There's like so many copies There's the three red ones on the shelf and then there's like the one two three four five He has so many multiple copies of books Is he like a seller or if they're really good books You want to make sure you have more than one just in case it gets damaged If you reread a book you have to do it with a different copyright or it's like some sort of a copyright It's like superstition and you'll activate a ghost or whatever if you Is he a bookseller or are these right look he has two drums rags two Maybe ridiculous. Yeah like me But if they're the same in the same series and how come they're like split up right like the two paradigm books Maybe they're different volumes, but it's not written on the side for some reason. I'm not sure Yeah, it it's just multiple copies of the same book. That's strange. Oh, he has a book on dictators Maybe he's maybe he's learning to become a dictator himself You've got the hands Oh, that's true. He's got the hands not really the Not really the the the the look could work. He could I think I think that you if you're a good enough dictator You can set the look Like really man, maybe maybe yeah a lot of trailblazes out there kind of guy Yeah, you know, that's right our good old friend, you know the hand the mustache thing he he rocked No one is wearing that ever One might say he ruined that Yeah, he kind of did the propaganda didn't help it was quite a it was very noteworthy thing about him That was easy to make Pretty criticism to make I gathered that the idea is supposed to be that the dialogue is somehow corny or cheesy Which yeah, that's something you can say about pretty much all the mission impossible move So that's weird not not what no, I don't think I would have called it corny It's just it's just a man trying to say I care about you to another man I don't know why we have to pull out corny or cheesy care about you And I'm going to put myself in a position of danger And I know the risks and I'm going to do it because I'm your friend And I mean fallout has a lot of not corny things in it. That's for almost think that's a little even Roganation has serious stuff in it. Yeah, okay Maybe the charitable thing is someone could say that it's corny, but it's not necessarily corny Maybe that's what he's trying to say I don't know I guess that's the idea that he's fighting against here Well, he's trying to figure out why they would call it disney ass dialogue, right? Which because it's not yeah It's actually very sincere the way yeah, right. It's sincere. It's the sincerity that he's bringing up here in the title Like I would say that that's a very sincere um log from from peg I think maybe you There could be A person who looks at sincerity and says that it is somehow corny or cheesy, but those people suck So like I don't I don't know. Yeah Movies mostly in a good way But what's so particularly cheesy about this scene? The only explanation I can offer is that this twitter user believes that Benji's sincere declaration of friendship to ethan is like something you'd find in a disney channel show is it? I don't watch enough disney channel to say a show like Yeah, a show like what I I've brushed I brushed against the disney channel a bit growing up because I'm the oldest of four so it just happens, but I don't I don't I don't expect to see this kind of a kind of dialogue bits on wizards of waverly place Perhaps he's being gracious to the original tweeter so far. I actually don't Well, I mean, I think he's probably right that the original tweeter thinks this but I'd be curious to know what the original We're just thinking about I don't know It's a bit weird, you know And that got me thinking about how hollywood has basically spent the last decade training its audiences to reject sincerity in blockbusters as exactly that As something corny or silly to be treated with snark. I think I'd almost say like I'd add cynical to that Um, oh, yeah the way that the love is, you know Conditioned by the audience who are too grown up for such childish things as Being concerned for the well-being of one's friend. I guess if you're going to have a scene like this You'd better immediately follow it up with bendy saying God, I sound like something out of a disney channel show, don't I? Because the only way to be taken seriously as a blockbuster nowadays is to just have the characters constantly talk about how Yeah, this is definitely a vibe that everyone's detected over the uh, I mean years that recent years That's so far. I'm right with him. Yeah. No, this is all fine so far Yes, so far. And that's basically what I want to talk about today about a style of dialogue in modern blockbusters That online communities have recently started to sum up with a single phrase Well, that just happened So what is well that just happened humor exactly? Well put simply it refers Oh, let me see. Let me see if I can guess what he's gonna say Well, that just happened humor is the inability to juggle tones and a refusal or a maybe not refusal But a trying to avoid or undercut your own sincerity for the purpose of comedy or Casualness something like that. I think I think what he was saying based off of the beginning there Because I think you're almost there right is that we have as audiences been trained to to view it as somehow Unwanted uncomfortable that you can't say, you know to your friend. Hey, man. I love you. I care about you I think he's saying that we've been trained for that Which is that but with comedy instead of yeah, that's the that's the avoid Yeah, the avoidance of sincerity you like to to open yourself up to someone else or to Express your emotions sincerely or to have moments where people can It's kind of honest and sincere is something to be able to run away from criticism because yourself aware Where you're like, well, yeah, yeah, but I'm not really the films in on it, too The film's like, yeah, I know guys. I know I know Yeah, like a film. Yeah. Yeah a film is trying to be a film too much and not trying to be a story It's just I'm not very brave as a storyteller. It's almost like you don't have as much faith in people accepting Um the earnestness of your story. So you use it as a shield. It's like, yeah, but that maybe that's cringe You know, oh, yeah, yeah, that's kind of funny. That's kind of a trope, you know The kind of person who doesn't hold to any position Everything is always couched and well, I think or maybe or I don't know or I guess So like they will not hold firm to anything or say anything with any level of I guess confidence they always they're everything has a back door built into it. They're too wishy-washy First with style of humor where something weird or shocking happens in a movie and the character responds to it by Riley remarking Well, that just happened Why couldn't you make that a little quieter man down the balancing? Most people agree that the earliest example of this phrase being used was in the 2000 film state in Maine Just gotta be careful for the little copyright, you never know. God, I hope I hope he doesn't get shot So that happened now ironically even though this is the go-to example that people tend to use when discussing how modern blockbusters Are overusing this style of humor that exact phrase is it? I've never heard this movie referenced before ever mean either Always or is he referring to the line? Well, that just happened It might be interesting that the first instance isn't actually exactly what the line is Yeah, well, yeah, I mean Like luke. I am your father when it's no. Hi. I'm your father Yeah, at least one of those like it's in an intuitive representation of a problem that isn't even like there is no Line for that in the mcu. It's it's kind of funny because it feels like there is though Well, yeah, like it's you know, I don't even think forespoken doesn't have that line exactly, right? But it's uh, it's a vibe amp man. I'm a Quonsomania This has been a long day. What was it? A lot has happened today is essentially that line It's it's that you know kind of line. Well, you have that you have uh, when he battles the big Jelly son. He says, huh, that was weird Yeah, exactly And then of course the um, I didn't know you could do that Mm-hmm Paze is actually not as common in movies as you might expect based on that fact In fact, the line doesn't actually appear in any marvel cinematic universe films He does throw up in Denis Villeneuve's arrival Man the first half of this movie was cool So if this joke isn't actually used in that many major movies and the only recent example I could find was from a And that one is definitely way more of a that's not like a wink and nudge at the audience That's just like the character expressing to himself disbelief at a thing that's occurring Yeah, like that was actually really weird. That's that's pretty earnest. Yeah So it's kind of interesting even though that's pretty close to it I'd say that one doesn't fall into the category. It's doing the opposite. Yeah, it feels distinct. Yeah Dean science fiction drama from one of the most respected authors working today Why has it become such a punching bag on twitter in the last couple years? Well, even if that specific joke doesn't pop up in that many movies It's still perfectly exemplifies the style of humor that modern blockbusters are becoming increasingly reliant on Yeah, I think that's why the phrase has become the wait. Hold on. We got avengers here. What's what's uh Oh, no, tread carefully dude. What are we about to say? Well, even if that specific joke doesn't pop up in that many movies It's still perfectly exemplifies the style of humor that modern blockbusters are becoming increasingly reliant on Every character is a deadpan snark machine who constantly feels the need to assure the audience that they know What you just saw was weird and goofy. So you don't have to feel silly for enjoying it It's basically a way of assuring the audience that you're watching a cool superhero movie that that isn't a I'm assuming that he brought up the avengers there just to highlight the avengers kind of mcu in general Well, right now it just seems to be in the Tony stock Does the rye common tree that can be met at some times, which is true and it's funny. Oh, it's best Well, it's the thing is is that there is a place for meta comedy Uh, I mean if it's good, right? Like if it's if it's funny consistently and reliably a lot of this relies on if it's good But that's comedy. Yeah exactly. I'm gonna mean Well, because a lot of people point to it, right the avengers Kind of set the trend because it was successful and people found it funny. They blame just Sweden for it That well that yeah that it's it's it's that style of humor And really like what you would say is marvel humor is like a warped misunderstanding of the kind of humor and balancing of tone that existed in avengers Yeah, I'm afraid to poke fun at how silly it is because it's for grown-ups There are actually a few different subcategories of jokes that all fall under the well that just happened banner Examples include superhero's name slash costume is silly. No one. Yeah Yes, yeah, this one is fucking annoying Yeah, we'll poach it and we'll use it But we'll make fun of it because I hate it. We don't want to hear god. I hate it Character repeats what just happened to the mad loud. I just move shit Yeah, okay, that is something I do now Dude, it's so crazy that they just uploaded like a little clip For their promotion of their game and it's a real the whole fucking thing I think this will make the gamers really want to play our video game. Dude, it ruined that game I think that if they didn't post that our teaser people wouldn't have been as tuned into this as a problem Because I'm pretty sure this line shows up in my first trailer for that game So for a year it was around but nobody knew but then you put in that little uh Little teaser on twitter and it just ruined that whole game It derailed the whole thing. It's incredible marketing Since your emotional moment gets punctured by a snarky quick I'm sorry. What are we watching because this is new because I hate it or the oh man, I haven't seen the Eternals. I'm sure it's great. I haven't seen it either. I have not either the mcu build classic Character repeats another character's name, but incorporates the word what into it the illuminati Yeah, I knew this is it. Oh, no The Illuma Wadi, but yeah, these are all these are all good examples of Mutations of the well that just happened meme. I basically agree with all of these Yeah, this one. Yeah, especially feels like so the illuminati is a comic thing. That sounds a little bit dumb, doesn't it? And then we get more to deliver it Call me viewer, you know We get more to deliver it and then he's like the illuminati very serious very well acted because that actor was awesome And then it's like man, this is a little this is a little too serious This is getting a little cringe. Can we get can we get we get all benedicts to be like Illuma fucking what? What now And then the whole audience laughed because it was such a good joke And anybody laughing I don't think anybody lost in the theater illuminati is a very difficult word to say All right, wait, what did you say Illuma Wadi? There I go Oh, I'm all right. What are we gonna do with you? Oh Jesus When you fucking mixing everybody get your volume down while you can listen to this Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna turn this down. Yeah. Wow. I have to stop Okay back up everyone I'm just gonna take my earphones out because I'm fucking in ear earphones. I'm just gonna I know it's pain Take care of you as my wife my my little doggy ears Wow, this style of humor is generally traced back to joss reedon. Oh Please please don't agree. Please don't agree. Please don't agree style complicated Maybe but like are we gonna acknowledge the fact that joss reedons way better at writing it than these people The now disgraced writer director who helped to popularize this style with his television work on Buffy and Firefly in the late Nineties that sounds like something out of science fiction. You live in a spaceship, dear Obviously, we now all know that we can is a piece of shit, but as hard as this may be but to believe Oh, no, we don't know that boo Boo by stocks in this video just fucking tank. It's technically true Well, we all we have to go on is the allegations, right? But like It's very There's very little reason to assume that he wasn't a dick to people. I think the the conclusion though is just that He's far from the only one it seems to be just one of the only ones that didn't get away with it Yeah, I remember that he he fret and spike when spike got popular And the only reason you're here is because audience is like you and he tried to like Go up against Jason Masters, which is really funny when you think about how small Joss Whedon is in comparison to spike. It's just just a funny visual thing to me James masters and yeah, well, whenever he tells the story it always seems like he's having fun with it And I still will never believe the idea that he hated spike considering how the story goes um I don't think Joss Whedon would have let the story end the way that it did and I'm deliberately avoiding being more specific Right now if uh, if he really hated the character, okay, I think there's more to it than that But um, I don't have any trouble believing that he was an absolute dick to many people. Yeah I'm sure that's very true But there was a time where he was one of the most influential figures in all of nerd culture And when he brought his signature brand of self-referential quip heavy humor to marvel's first avengers movie The result was met with critical approval and box office success And since hollywood studios are always on the lookout for a formula that they can perfect for financial gain This style of humor quickly became marvel's default. Yeah, but Badly You know I don't think he's saying that it was done well. I'm I'm thinking he's saying that because the avengers did it it is I don't know man. The impression I just got there was that he's saying like they had it worked well They've adopted it now. It's everywhere and I assume that the way we're going here is that it's become You know Right, but I don't think he's saying it's bad in the avengers I don't think I think he's the I don't think he's made a distinction between High quality and low quality of that style. He's simply described the style Yeah, so far. Yeah I just realized he actually has seven paradigm books Don't you tell a lot? It's like a little it's like a little Top one and then there's a second one down and then if you look at the bottom There's four of them and then directly to the left of that. There's another one on the shelf. Yeah, I winterland. Yeah I don't know and then one goes on the other shelf And I wonder how many of the other ones up there that we can't see you know the spines of our paradigm books, too I'm gonna guess two of them Is this book just really good should we all read it? Maybe he wouldn't have that many if they went good. Wait. Are the bottom ones even books? Look at it. Look, maybe they're audio books. Well. Yeah, look It's it's like a it's like a paper Like box that's open like a box. Yeah. Yeah, and he's filming in the library or a Or something like that. He needs a bookseller. I really have that theory. It's a bookstore Or yeah, it's a where yeah, I was playing the bongo drums or something Yeah, thank you Take for example the scene in captain america civil war where the avengers are all fighting in an airport because Politics and shit. I won't deny that it's a fun scene, but it has a major No Yeah, that's a fun thing Do you just agree rags politics? No, no about he said it takes place in an airport because politics and shit Yeah, I wonder what I think that's a good summary All right, I guess the war's so far. Yeah Major tunnel problem This is supposed to be a scene where the heroes are forced to turn on each other for a long time Friends have to betray one another for what they believe is the right cause Which makes it pretty jarring when they're constantly having exchanges like this in the middle of the battle We're still friends, right? It's hard to feel like that's uh, that's not a great example No, a great example considering the relationship of these two people. Well, I'd hate to fucking roll out the extensive explanation But you've got a this was in my tfa part too. You've got to understand the characters and then the scenario and it applies here this is This is a if you remember iron man when he's approaching it and talking about it. He's pretty chill He doesn't believe that we're actually going to be getting to the point where this is going to erupt into like fracturing The avengers entirely as he starts to crack when they start when they're back and forth Um It's funny. You probably chose the worst example black widow is the only one that simply wants them to be together She doesn't actually care if they're fugitives or if they're working officially She just wants them to be together. That's her motive That's why she switches sides Because uh, she thinks that the side that would Bend would be caps when this first starts up Then she realizes during that fight that his will never bend and so that she would rather help him Do what he needs to do and then she joins them, of course and uh, even criticizes tony, right, but um Yeah, her and hawkeye, they're fighting But neither of them want to and neither of them take this whole thing that seriously in terms of like We're not killing each other. No one's there to kill each other except black panther on winter soldier And then a lot of people tend to forget He's the only one that's going to be trying to do killing blows. Everyone else is just trying to stop each other Hold each other prevent them from escaping, right? Yeah, so yeah, they have in their sparring session Which they've done like a million times In their lifetimes and because we've seen it a couple of times they fight They're doing the fight again And she's just checking like which hill right like this isn't actually serious in any way she'd perform And then he jokes with her too Because of course this is actually fine. They are gonna remain friends. It's funny like I think the example is terrible because it's the opposite That there should be a sincerity between those two that this is not a serious situation It's only once rhodi is injured that it becomes a very serious situation Yeah, yeah exactly It is uh remarkably chill as I seen everybody is making uh criticisms and jokes about each other during their fights Nobody's doing killing blows the only time you see it happen I think is when Black Panther goes for uh Bucky's throat Yes, because Bucky though killed his dad. So yeah Can you wait to what we're watching on screen because the characters aren't treating this situation with the gravity that the movie wants Us the audience to why should I be invested in seeing these characters fight when the movie has literally stopped in its tracks to You are never going to assume these two are going to kill each other. I don't know why you would have thought that Yeah, there's no way they'd kill each other. I'll be entirely out of character Yeah, intense this comes from the potential of accidents occurring because of the power levels involved But also we got to see if they're able to leave the airport Right after this happens uh wander throws uh Natasha away and then says to uh says to Uh clint you're pulling your punches. She knows like it's recognized in the universe that he is holding back That he's not like he's not doing the absolute most that he could be doing because of course he wouldn't This is Natasha doesn't want to hurt her. Oh, yeah They're friends For sure it's audience that it's all hunky dory and they're still besties for the resties Which kind of helps the scene right because then it does become serious when one of them nearly dies I guess yeah Well, something you know, there's no jokes when uh when when uh rhodi gets hit it instantly Like the stakes are raised dramatically. Yeah. Yep It's a classic case of marvel trying to have their cake and eat it too There are other examples. I would have wanted to You'd have to completely disagree because civil war knows what it's doing. It doesn't make jokes in the finale There's no jokes It is not it is not a film that tries to have its cake and eat it too It knows the tone of the airport scene the tone is much more chill than the final scene You got absolutely spider-man It's night and day difference You got all this shit with like you have a metal arm. You have the right to remain silent those two Look, they're not fucking around you have a rhodi being like What does he say like this isn't this isn't gonna this is gonna sting or this isn't gonna kill you But it won't be tickle either. Yeah, like they're being pretty. I don't know what the word would be for it But they're kind of fucking around a little bit. They're not He's not like captain america standout. Steve rogers. I will arrest you. You must stop. He's more like cap You really want to do this sort of thing like because you you ain't getting past me that sort of thing Remember, I think afterward that's the part where when they throw the truck out and it blows up and then he says now I'm pissed Because yeah, it's getting worse and worse. Well, you remember me like I thought it was a water truck Like the the scene is much more comedic than a lot of the action scenes in civil wars runtime a lot of the other ones. Yeah, because uh the the fight at the uh, the um in uh, oh damn When bucky escapes from uh from the facility, I don't remember any jokes in that sequence No, I don't remember any jokes. I don't think so when they were fighting in the uh, when when bucky was escaping in book arrest I'm pretty sure that one was played totally straight to civil war is not the one to point to for this problem There are other there are other films that definitely would apply to have your cake and eat it to one time You want the drama, but you also want the memes and the jokes The final fight and the interaction between, um Demo and t'challa like it's all dead serious Yeah, there's no there's no quips coming in It's like 15 minutes have just played totally straight and serious It's almost as often side as it's like the last time we did it in the mcu Well, yeah, the only other instance would be that there are in infinity war infinity war But well, yeah, especially uh I think that's fair. Yeah, infinity war feels a lot of people pick that as the the actual end of the mcu, right? Like Endgame is a shit, um But the thing is is that I agree with the observation that a big problem that films have right now If you're talking about like marvel movies or these big hollywood blockbusters is They never want you to sit with a particularly intense feeling for too long It can never be too sad for too long. You got to bring it back. You got to make it Funnier and like even even when you get stuff that said it can't be like as intense Uh as possible So you end up with this like story that doesn't really have These dramatic peaks and dips that stay with you like the really dramatic moments. Um It's a better problem the tone beige. Yes. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it It's like a good form is beige I think weird because after infinity war they left us with like a couple years of being You know like the tone of the mcu was what happens after infinity, you know at the end of infinity war That's the state of the mcu right now and the movie ends and that's that's where they leave it So i'm like man. I wish they'd give us a bit more credit. I'm not a i'm not a child You know, I think there's a better example in a different film Like the the thing that immediately comes to my mind is when dr. Strange Meets his love interest in his first movie And they realize that they can't be together and he starts to tear up And his fucking cape is like wiping the tears away from his face and yeah Go and he wipes away the the the the cape. No, don't do that. Stop and it's like, you know, need you didn't need that Yeah, that's actually the um, that's the visual I put in in the quantum any video when I said the We've got a bit of a history of tonal fuck ups in mcu Because yeah, that's seen the noise the shit out of a lot of people because it's like the Trying to be a serious dr. Strange moment and then the film's just like tee he don't be too serious Like that's the emotional core of his fucking character and you just made fun of it. It's so weird It's a it's a poor writing choice It obviously extends outside of the mcu as well I'm reminded of the story of what they were trying to do with the witcher With uh, roach and and how they were going to have a Well, that just happened moment after that. So it's clearly pervasive through the entire industry Yeah yeah In fucking cowboy bebop, they're the Netflix thing. They also have this like sarcastic um meta joking shit going on. It's so annoying like I do agree with what fringy said the sentiment I agree with the example is not so much the best one. Yeah Playing around with the idea of going to more emotionally charged places with these characters But also being too afraid that they'll lose their audience if they ease up on the jokes even for a little bit To its credit the movie holds back on lines like this during the final fight between iron man and captain You say holds back. I hope you mean like doesn't have any rather than like I I think so in america Yeah, but by the end it feels the need to end on this lighthearted moment from tony stark that it shows us He's not really mad at captain america. No, he's very he's yeah, that's just not true Um, even they have to account for it later not not well, but they do even have to Well, I was gonna say I quite like civil war ending with uh, you know, you get the scene of him helping rodie By the way, not scroll rodie. He's helping regular rodie there. That's that's what's happening in that scene And uh, rodie the person just sharing a human moment with each other after all the shit that's happened in civil war And then for him to get a thing from cap saying Like listen, I know what's happened But call me if you need me which is perfectly reasonable And then of course as was mentioned we do discover which I think is in line that he is not fucking Forgotten this shit when they need to begin It's uh, the only good scene in endgame is uh, the only good scene like that is not compromise in any way shape or form By any other problem is them arguing when he gets back And when the avengers reunite two years later, we don't really have any sense that there's any real lasting animosity between them Why would there be animosity from rodie with this lot when they for the only person you might be able to say As animosity for his vision, but that was that he's on his team. They've been talking to each other since then Like and it was a mistake. Why would it be animosity from rodie to these guys? That's just not fair. It was an accident. That's the truth. What happened in civil war The same year. I don't think rodie's the kind of guy even fucking scroll rodie to hold it against the whole team of the world Right because he wasn't there he would just be lying Liar He's not a scroll wait batman be superman. What what's uh, what's happening here? Yeah Here is captain america civil war We saw the release of batman versus superman dawn of kestos The second entry in what was once the dc extended universe and the movie who's critical reception Effectively dug dc into a hole that they've been trying to get themselves out of ever since To this day unsuccessfully Yeah, yeah, i kind of did it ruined everything What was the point of bringing it up though? I don't think I was going to start to find out superman is a particularly good movie It's pretty messy and convoluted and it dedicates way too much of its runtime to some of the most obnoxious attempts at sequel setup that i've ever seen in a film But most of the negative reviews zeroed in on how dark and self serious it was So the lesson hollywood ended up taking away from the success of marvel and the backlash to batman versus superman was Audience like it when superhero makes this this is definitely an era that happened. Yeah, this was uh Everyone noticed this because of justice league But it is interesting to think about this as a point when the batman, which is very serious Is the most successful dc film and the and joker as well at the two most successful dc films since Uh, since batman versus. Yeah, which are hyper serious both of them are Yeah, they're very serious. They're very serious. Yeah Marta's joke and they don't like it when superhero is sad and this effectively led to an overcorrection I would say the fact that the critics were just like odds, you know, it's it's sad or it's uh, it's not a happy go lucky experience Yeah, it's like it's it's badly written. That's the problem Not the tone By the way, that's fair too. Logan was a very serious film. That's oh, yeah, Logan. Yeah, that's right And that that made a lot of money. Uh, yeah, it's super successful Dead and smug irony reign supreme I surely don't need to recount what happened with justice league where Warner brothers used zack snider's departure Dude with terrible tragedy to bring in joe sweden and effectively turn it into a marvel clone. I don't even It's such a disaster like that whole thing Thing it's a marvel clone is strange, but I guess I'll concede sure it's just like imagine For the marvel To try and emulate the uh, the more upbeat vibe of marvel movies But like if someone was to compare even like just seem to like guardians of the galaxy or Some kind of like ant-man who'd be like, I don't know what the fuck justice league is. It's such a frankenstein's monster Oh movie. Yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't think you can blame joe sweden for that one Um, well, I'm happy to blame him somewhat And yeah, like the change in direction from a very different thing than what was originally intended with the film And not giving and not delaying it or like yeah, this was a this was a bad idea Um, I mean, it's it's cost them forever like the justice league that was a that was a huge blunder on their part Because this is you know, you were like, what was we supposed to do? It's like, I still think he could have done better with what he had, but yeah, of course Resulting in stuff like this I take it back I want to die I hear you can talk to fish Uh, no, that's that's snider that one The fish one was yeah, that one was snider. Yeah, that was in the first trailer for justice league. That's here's not No, hey, that's Yes, we can worry. Snider is perfectly capable of cringe too. Okay. I think I got cut out of the I think I got cut out of the uh, snider cut though. That was in the original trailer for that film Yeah, the superman one was added in obviously You can tell this one's a reshoot because his lip is fucked Yeah His dent is a little bit too big Just so you have skiing That one's classic I don't mind that one Yeah I'm people I guess people could be polarized on now because I think most people consider the most hypo cringe joke, right? A lot of people do Yeah, I'm something definitely Because this is uh, I forget which version with the where the soldiers and the Humvee getting blowed up to is All right, that was uh, that was good. Oh, uh, that was the snider cut snider cut Yeah, that that was cut out Dude, that's one of my favorite fun facts that we'd obviously cut out when superman tried to laser to death the military personnel. That's so funny Of course he cut that shit Why the fuck would he keep that? We're putting that one in the basement Again, I'm not the biggest fan of zach sniders work personally But I can't admire how he commits to this idea of looking at these comic book characters He's saying I admire how he commits to misery More mythic lens and in our rush to dismiss that and make fun of it I think we ended up sending the wrong message to Hollywood about what exactly we want to see from these kinds of movies Well, so the problem I'm getting from this video is he hasn't told us yet, uh, whether or not It's about the quality of it. It seems to me. He's just said like it's a binary They chose to do it or they don't and the the fact that they chose to do it was a mistake Well, he's not wrong. Um, well, no, he's not right either because the problem is how badly they've executed it Right. It's not that they've done it all the movies were good. Nobody like the the conclusion needs extra steps, right? Yes, yeah, he needs more proof in the pudding I kind of agree with the sentiment that Hollywood got the wrong lesson, but Yeah, but I do agree with you guys when you say that you need like just Sweden when he does it It's the proper way of doing it. I guess it is. It's the right I mean, he's not perfect. He makes shit jokes too. It's just the obviously his method The people who were inspired by his style have been, um less successful Because the thing is it's not just superhero movies that are becoming reliant on this style of humor now It's all over hollywood That's why oh wait as marvel became the dominant film franchise of the 2010s more studios started to follow their example To the point where he's really just getting beyond power. Is he reading from something? Like like at least he's reading at least his sentences make sense and he's Yeah, I'll take it. There was a visible pause in one of in the middle of when he was I'll take it again. Yeah, the competitive film mentor is riding. Yeah. Oh, yeah, this is this is easily a Mentor no matter what happens in the last few minutes. This is the best video we've covered Yeah, absolutely compared to full mentor. This guy shakes beer. Yeah Understatement. He's fine. Yeah, he's doing fine. Does the back of your head look like a huge penis? The answer is yes, you must be loyal. What gave it away the white pass the trash dash. It's just It leans Lloyd um so Would both of those be examples of how it's a serious situation and you're treating it Insincerely in order to try and come across cool and you know with it for the sake of the Characters in this situation. That's the thing. I've seen the gray man and I've seen red nose and I don't remember Anything about Probably not the best Expensive films that netflix had made Really? They were successful, right? Or at least Red notice was successful. I don't know about the gray man Did I watch you cut a guy with a decorative serving platter? That's a comedy movie though, right? Renville is an absurd comedy movie, isn't it? So like that's probably no Probably not the best example. I don't think Every movie is but maybe the context of that scene would match what he's talking about. I haven't seen it Relying so heavily on jokes like this it contributes to the assembly line feeling of the modern blockbuster industry These movies are so concerned with being hip and cool that they feel the need to take you out of the story Just to remind you that they are in fact in all the joke 2018's aquaman isn't a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination It's terrible. Just say it shit. Say it shit. Use your words and say that it's terrible. He said it's not a masterpiece That does not rule out that it's shit. He's fine It's not a masterpiece doesn't mean that yeah, exactly. That's a good point I'm just gonna start describing all films But also, I mean if we're using aquaman because it seems like we're leading up to aquaman Actually, let's let's see what's what's said here once in the cinema and haven't really thought about it much since then But one thing about that movie that sticks out in my memory is that there's this one scene in the underwater kingdom For the film just casually shows you an octopus playing the drums This is normally where you might expect character a to look at character b and say something along the lines of Is that an octopus playing the drums? That's an octopus playing the drums But no the characters don't feel the need to point this out to us and the scene isn't really played that heavily for laughs This is interesting because sure in that instance. Yeah, but like aquaman's got a lot of like marvel type of humor in it That's definitely a film that is like doing very well. We still haven't done the job yet We haven't told we haven't figured out why one is better than the other Well, yeah, why one that is necessarily better than the other if there was a really good joke about the octopus playing the drums Then the characters have a reason to point out the octopus or would it be normal to them? Well, I guess maybe aquaman it would be because he's not very familiar with the underwater world But everybody else would be pretty chill with it. Do you remember just be him? The clip he showed when he was first referencing this sort of thing from avengers Is when cap was talking to iron man on the ship before Thor lands on it in avengers I don't know if the joke he was specifically trying to reference or not, but like if you remember when iron man says He was referencing when a particular thing happened. He said when you were doing time as a capsicle and then cap looks at him like You know what like what the fuck did you say when you could be like Was that one a valuable joke or not the fact that he's like Being he's like making fun of the situation that was very serious of cap gave his life theoretically anyway froze himself and then you know Has gone forward in time as a result being unthows himself and he's just described him as a capsicle like But the thing is like it's a very Tony Stark line You get the the cap isn't exactly appreciating not taking that whole event seriously What what i'm trying to say is the I need more than a binary of like don't do it do it I would prefer to know like when when should you do it when shouldn't you do it because it seemed like He kind of acknowledged the Joss Whedon At least was a progenitor or the person people copied. I don't know if he ever really touched on whether or not It was high quality low quality or anything else Well, at the very least there was a recognition that people enjoyed it when it seems like an observation That's being made now is that people don't like it anymore. Is it purely because it's oversaturated or is because it's bad An oversaturated. Yeah, because obviously we would say it's because it's bad But I guess I would also caveat that the presence of it everywhere is making everyone notice it as well more than usual Yep, absolutely weird fun goofy aspect of this world that isn't ashamed or self-conscious of how silly it is It kind of I would say Aquaman's kind of self-conscious There are there are definitely some of those types of jokes I'm pretty sure they do the joke of talking to fish, right? Is there ever any value in being self-conscious in a script? I don't know. Is there Speaking of water being blockbusters another recent tentpole movie that was admirably confident and assured in what it was was Avatar the way of water. Oh You guys gonna have a bullet with this one. I have not watched it But I suppose but it's not good, maybe The first movie became a bit of a punching bag on the internet for years because it's kind of cheesy and unabashedly earnest It's generic. That's amazing. That's not a bad thing And then outside of hollywood you have movies like RRR, which is this unabashedly over-the-top and melodramatic action epic That's all about the bond between bros and features a random musical number halfway through and it's amazing But to be clear, I'm not saying that sardonic humor in blockbusters is inherently a bad thing. Okay, good All right. So what are you saying? Even some marvel movies have actually used it pretty well the guardians of the galaxy movies, for example Use it very effectively to communicate things about the characters Star-Lord has been stuck in a state of arrested development since he was abducted from earth as a child Which is funny because the example used in civil war with black widow and orcai was to denote something about the characters and their relationship But that's okay Most of the way there. Yeah, I hope so. Yeah So naturally he has the sense of humor of a cocky teenager Rocket Raccoon's entire arc in the second movie is about how he's afraid of being emotionally vulnerable So he overcompensates with obnoxious jokes in an intentional attempt to push people away In a way Rocket is kind of the deconstruction of the snarky quippy hero that we become so accustomed to seeing in movies these days But importantly writer director james gunne mostly knows when to pull back and just let an emotion I wish I could say that guardians three is not a movie I would describe as knows when to play for humor play for drama or mix them both Well, would you say that the first two are much more so? Yeah Yeah, this scene is good when this is the funeral for absolutely. Yeah, there's loads of dude The scene where drax is thinking about his lost family. That's that's that's the scene is perfection with mantis Yeah, rocket and yandu talking on the bridge The um, there's a lot that gets to but like guardians three like We were supposed to find it funny when star-lord nearly dies and adam warlock picks him up That shit was weird man And it's more like a fake out death Then of course there's That's supposed to be funny If you're gonna reference the the painting and and Have adam like yeah, I think I think you're supposed to be like all he's gone But one of the things that throws me off completely I mentioned this um to free me recently that Because when I was editing I was grabbing the clips for um quanta mania But mantis is scream for peter in that scene is so tragic It's like why would you have her do that and then not have it be serious? It's so weird, dude Yeah And I think that a lot of people would say well ask james gunny can balance comedy and drama And I'm just like I don't think he did that very well in three They didn't balance maybe he didn't give a fuck because he had the disney the dc money at the time I think he really cared about that film. I just I don't know what happened I just think he made a lot of very bad decisions. Maybe he thought he was doing something great through that scene It's got it's possible. Yeah Emotional scene play out without it being punctured by another joke He trusts that his audience is invested enough in these characters that they don't need to be constantly winked at in order to enjoy watching them So again, it's not necessarily a bad thing for a blockbuster to poke fun at it So I guess i'll sell metric then it needs to be character driven Yeah If you do it, yeah, which would rule out the civil war example, but that is the jet the gist. Yes, it should be Which is pretty agreeable depends on the characters in the context. Yeah, it's it's a little too it, but that's okay Go on, but it's something Yeah, it's not bad for 12 minutes, I suppose This is the best video But we've covered this is the best video for this day. Anyway, yeah The trip is on the cost of sincere emotion. There's something admirable about a blockbuster just owning how earnest it is I'm not letting the worry that audience. Okay. No, let's not Cut the tape cut the tape cut the tape I ain't given matrix resurrections points for being unabashedly embarrassing I don't I don't give people points for it. I don't get films points for it. Okay Resurrections is just so Fucking bad. It's hideous. That's that's there. You want to talk about a cash graph? That's exactly they even say it's a cash graph. It's just Oh That's terrible about it or called it lame dictate how it presents itself Because of a fairly standard dialogue scene from mission impossible 5 can go viral for supposedly being comparable to a disney channel show then Frankly, it's no wonder that so many studios are instead opting for the marvel approach And maybe we could do to let these people know that We actually can handle the genuine sincere moments of emotion in our movies. I completely agree with that mention I would say that uh things are changing. Uh, a lot of these these types of films are starting to struggle now Yeah, I would agree I think his final thing would have been better if he would have said yeah And all the replies to that tweet were in Incredible disagreement, let's say almost Yeah, that's actually worth pointing out. Yeah, the it's not like everyone agreed with that guy the that viral Yeah, that tweet went viral not because it was an agreed upon send them out But the opposite it was because that was yeah really bad But yeah, I think this guy has a couple of terrible because we're done. This is the last second, right? I think this guy has some some terrible examples um And and maybe he misunderstood a couple of things especially with you know, civil war and things like that, but um Altogether I Generally agree with this. Yeah, I agree with a general premise. Um, what I find interesting Uh, what I find interesting is he's identified like the the problem shall we say but his but his examples are inconsistent Which I find interesting Because he doesn't really understand like the root cause of it, right? Like he hasn't figured out what what it is there because he's identifying kind of the surface level stuff And he's seeing these things like in civil war. He sees it there But doesn't really understand why that would be good in that situation or bad in that situation So I'm not sure that there's a strong uh analytical look at this and perhaps that's why he's bringing up these bad examples I think we just need to expand it. I feel like there's uh, there's a few other things that we need to talk about in this topic um, it could have you know, you know what I mean, just uh, some additional things about like the nature of How it's good or bad. Is it just about whether it's uh directly attended to character? Is this the standard for like all jokes? Uh, can it simply be funny for its own sake or what happens if it's really funny, but it's still on the minds There's got to be more to doing it well than in line with characters. There's got to be more to it than that, right? I think that's gotta be more I mean if it's a really really really good joke and it has nothing to do with character at all Whatever that looks like He he comes across as like a like a med student who's still learning about diseases But he can't quite like identify the symptoms Right yet like he like yeah, I know the patient's sick. I've identified that there's a sickness But I can't quite pin down like what it Is or what the what the correct symptoms are and what the the the medicine needs to be for it But like we're getting there in terms of like yeah, we've we've known there is an issue. There's something going on here Yeah, yeah, it's on the right because overall I I think he's right, right? There is a death of sincerity with this and we talked about this immediately at the beginning of this He was right about it for the first two minutes It really just seems that the The problem with this video is that he's choosing Poor examples because otherwise if he hadn't chosen poor examples, I don't think there was any Specific maybe one or two specific lines that he spoke verbally where we were like, oh no, you're fucking wrong So I think maybe it's just You know halfway there So I've never said that I don't think about a video That's a pretty high praise free fat. Yeah. Yeah, so I was just bad because it can be a motion breaking Hey guys, isn't that thing that just happened stupid It's like you can't conceive of any time in a piece of media where a character could point to some things and say that that was Dumb, which has happened and it wouldn't be a motion breaking. We do in real life We put out things that That's our show baller. Exactly. There's what I mean. I just like it. This kind of highlights the point Yeah, I actually wish that that is the problem go into more depth on how the difference between good and bad is determined on this one Because I think a lot of people intuitively assume it's a particular direction And it's like you really can't conceive of a single time that could work ever I don't know You know, we need a deeper system than this Yeah, because he seems to just say here are examples of this thing that exists in media And then he says and it's not always done wrong But I don't like it and that's it right needs to be by character because we spent eight minutes to showing examples of it existing and then his his takeaway was Joss Whedon did this and okay, sometimes he did it or I'm not Joss Whedon. James Gunn did this And sometimes he did it. Okay Mainly because the characters were written to deliver those lines in line with their like journeys and stuff Right. Yeah, so I don't really feel like there was there I don't feel like he had too much of a point beyond just pointing it out Which is maybe the half that's well, there's just a small amount on what makes the difference between good and bad at the end Over saturation seems to be more so his point Yes Also, hi everybody. Welcome back. Oh, it's oh, hi metal. Have a nice sleep. We didn't Oh, it was so good. It was so good We We're moving on to the next thing I was also made aware of through super chats this next one Someone recommended this I decided to check it out out of curiosity and I was relatively confused and mortified Which will make a lot of sense when you find out who Oh, no Calm down. Calm down. We're only checking out four minutes of it. Okay. Okay. Okay. I don't have 40 minutes to watch Okay Before you start I can use the loo real quick and I'll be right back Like how a lot of people chat already know what we're dealing with from that sound, you know, he he did the Somebody made the spongebob thing and he did a tweet about it. It's the only thing I've ever seen him do where I was like That was okay. Yeah, that was funny So with the stall to create anything called up James Rolf and he was like they hate you Uh, boy, that was the one time I like that everybody was willing to concede. He did a really good joke with that because it was yeah pretty fun I remember getting like watching the like because I remember it was linked as like a Got a hand in this one and I was like, okay, and I started to watch it I was so uniquely unimpressed right up until he called him and said they hate you and I was like That's funny Yeah, which one was this it's um, it's a tweet Spongebob episode where they have like a character that's based entirely on Nostalgia critic reviewing things and being an asshole That he has a video of himself watching that getting more and more like Frustrated and sad that he calls up avg ad and says the spongebob episode hates you Which is funny It was good It was good because man, I last time I watched Nostalgia critic was uh, was with you guys I think a year or two two two three years ago. Oh my god. I've been on here for five years um All those years ago being doom sausage, man Right that was because that was episode 40 Yeah, 210 episodes ago, I guess Wow That's scary. Yeah, um, we watched Nostalgia critic on one of these and it Man, I hadn't seen one And it was so painful And so very very bad because it's clear that like he just writes down as many jokes as he can Uh looking, you know, hey, we're gonna write down every joke that comes to mind and then he does zero editing He just uses every one of them. He's an animated character, but in real life And I'm pretty sure that's something he's aware of like that's so many tries to be Uh, if I remember correctly There's like a notion of when you were trying to join channel awesome that he would tell people like if you want to be You know in the relative circle of being promoted around the thing you need to be like kind of aping the style of like Oh my god, here we go everybody. We're gonna be chatting out about Bouncing around just like I remember thinking to myself like fuck you force people to do that That's so mean That's how people come themselves It's horrible. They shouldn't have to live this way. Don't make them So anyway, well, um, what we're here to check out Is um, yes, this is his video online king 2019 in which most of it is spent I think with him ripping into it But someone described what happens at the end of this video in a super chat and then I went and checked it and I was like Man, okay, so I'll just present this as though as though we just watched him ripping into that movie We've seen it be ripped into uh expertly by yms So I'm sure we're familiar with the Familiar with with how bad it is so we can just skip to this is near his conclusion It's like an empty jar marked fun, but there's only air inside No, not even that because they sucked all the air out of it I know it made a ton of money and most people just see it as a harmless kids film But look at it this way selling drugs to kids makes you money too, but it's still So Just writes down every joke, but that's every joke just immediately Well, we're not it. We're not at the we're not at the end of the joke yet. So there's still time Wrong this it's still wrong. I I feel like a bad movie is a little different to selling drugs to children Like I feel like different ethical lines being crossed. Okay. Like I I guess I see the I see the Still wrong I kind of I I see the outline of a connection I see a jar marked fun and there's nothing inside it. Yeah, like I see disney. Yeah, so yeah, I yeah, just air No, they took all the air out You know It's like creative drugs like instead of killing brain cells kill originality And judging by the success of other trendy remakes, they're just as addictive though. The technology is impressive I don't get why people celebrate remaking what's already perfectly fine when nothing new or interesting is perfectly fine Yeah, maybe I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there, but I think he means things in general things that are fine Yeah, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I think nostalgia critic has earned a bit of He's he's he's a favorite of the show, of course everyone loves it when we check out his work Uh, he's a huge fan of e-fap. I'm sure Added I know the casting is decent and tamon and poomba get a few laughs I don't see this one being as valued as the original As the same goes there can only be one king and no one talks about this. No, it's dead I mean no, no, no people only reference it as a thing that happened nothing about the film itself has ever referenced Yeah And I think it's obvious which one I and other fans of good storytelling See as the true ruler Mm-hmm. All right. You know what? I'm gonna give the director a piece of my mind Yeah One of the famous nostalgia critic skits All right Give me one second. I got somebody about me. Oh my god. It's like a photograph and I'm working on Mandalorian season two John fevro. How can just how old it is Mandalorian season two isn't even out yet Yeah, but yeah, that's why it's so bad It's so bad because john fevro was working hard on it and nostalgia critic interrupted him and threw off his groove It's all the miscritic you ruined it. You're the one to blame You're the one to blame for how insanely crappy season two everyone's upset at me You guys need to see what he says. Okay, something gets said here. That's just You make something as terrible as the lion king This again, look, I'd love to chat and figure out how you got this contact But I'm pouring my blood sweat and tears into this thing. Okay. No, we've been talking about this for hours We need to keep him an anti hero. That's what makes him complex and interesting Wait, is he talking about dinjarin? Yeah, he's not an anti. They think dinjarin's an anti hero No, he's just name one dodgy thing that fucker does in all three seasons You know things when he shoots a jawa But I mean they stole his shit. It's always had it coming. I would have shot him too I would shot him more Shot him all I would I just need I I I'm just I just need one excuse and not much of one Um, I often leave my I often leave my ship Let's line around to the desert with you know unlocked and parked and I just sit there. I just fucking wait It's funny. It took me like two minutes to realize. Oh wait, that's mando because I've never called him dinjarin in my life Wow, go show how much you know Don't cause But um, yeah, no, he's he's he's like boringly heroic throughout the mando shit And another thing use me sir. You're supposed to write this shot for lion king too. I forgot if it's doing it Lion king too. You're not ruining the incredible okanus of simba's pride quits Don't okay. Oh credible okanus. No, no, no, it's got it's got its moments, but I I fucking hate that movie Yeah, but that's what we've watched it a million times Yes, it is I just I just defend it. I just defended it To yeah, but you you defended it while also loading in that you hate it. So yeah, so wait, well, I'm just I'm just I'm just showing everybody my bias. I'm just putting it out there So that everyone knows that that's true, but even I I mean roasty toasty princess is a funny Look at it. Look at the expression. It's a pretty good one Funny question Simba There or there You know what? Uh, right between the drab's legs underneath the ball sack. Yes, sir What are we gonna reintroduce bill burr? Wait, you barely give me any direction. Oh, yeah Well, I do these animal movies. So disney will let me do what I really want as a critic I question you're creating as a director. I got to pick my battles. Know what I mean But I don't look. Do you like my remakes? No, do you like the mandalorian hell? Yeah Well, I can't make one without the other the money the lion king made would pay for six seasons of the Concerned about the direction that this is Doesn't this get me then that it's okay that So that You'll make sure you understand We'll say you'll make sure you understand the point of this Gonna make piss to make more piss Yes But I don't Do you like my remakes? No. Do you like the mandalorian? Hell. Yeah Well, I can't make one without the other the money the lion king made would pay for six seasons of the mandalorian But the original lion king is still around Well, no the question here Why did you make the why is lion king 2019 so shit? Why'd you make it so shit then? Why is it so bad? Why couldn't you just made it? Also, why is mando so shit? Yes. Yes. That is well Okay, let's see. Let's see. And look all those animators had to work on a bunch of shit They didn't want to before they could get to that you think everybody wanted to animate the wuzzles But your remake was so what are wuzzles? Just a second Is this an animal body part? Oh the wuzzles are oh the wuzzles 1985 It's an animated season of it's got strange creatures in it. Okay. Uh bum bum bumble lion butter bear hip bumble lion Why how come hip up? Oh, no, it's the hop apodamus It seems to be an ungodly combination of hippopotamus and a in some sort of a rabbit creature We have the elaru, which is an elephant in a kangaroo Oh a moosele, which is a weasel and a moose. I assume mooseleaning a rhino key Which is a rhino and a monkey. I assume Like yeah, so that was that was a thing I learned about today. All right Carry on bad bad enough not to see any more mandalorian. Yes, please Yeah And I'll do my thing focusing on my good stuff Which one tell me which one yes, that makes sense. I I hope this isn't being presented as a compelling calculus Oh, yeah, I think I want to sit down with these people who are delusional and be like tell me why the mandalorian No, wait, let's move past that. Let's assume that the mandalorian is great. Why do we okay? Sure. Why why does this? How is this logic like how is this useful? Well, yeah, I mean had to be shit We had to make a film that shit and hey the original still exists and it means that these films exist Why can't it be a good movie that makes a lot of money? Why can't it be a good remake that makes a lot of money? What if we have to say that it's a little bit you have to make money from bad things to make good things But that's Why are we accepting this is the paradigm? I don't know. I don't know why he thinks this is true And if the mandalorian lost a lot of money, it doesn't matter how good the lion king did They wouldn't say keep making more mandalorian if it was a money Oh, no, so why are we putting it that way around? Why don't we put it the other way around that? Mando makes the money that enables them to make the remakes they all make month. Well, they did they all made money Once upon a time at this time. Yeah, I'm I'm sure people are sitting at home It's like oh that new shitty remake is coming out. Let's go watch that so we can watch more mandalorian in the future I'm sure that's exactly the mindset It's exactly right. It's not a one-for-one. It is not that you are trading in these bad movie chits to get good movie Chits that's not That's silly. I don't care. I have to get back to work Looks great. Now. Let's talk about how our villain has to run a fast food chicken restaurant So do you understand now buster? I think so in order to be a cat cat Oh, that was supposed to be the cat's voice, but that's just his voice. So it didn't Yes I thought he was looking around Yeah, I thought he was talking to the cat because his voice was like his voice talking Now he's talking to uh, yeah, look at this cat Cash cow you have to give the people what they want even if what they want is bullshit Why why what? I was gonna say there's there's so much to unwrap here. I'm gonna roll us back. Okay. We gotta roll back on this I'm in over load. Do you understand now buster? I think so in order to be a cash cow you have to give the people what they want even if what they want is bullshit Yeah, so we're gonna see a lot more bad remakes, huh? Looks forget, but in the long run they help us produce the good stuff and we'll Why are we so confused on this no, no, no, what an awful Lion King has to be shit because people want shit But at least it lets us get the good stuff, which is the Mandalorian which again Assuming that it's good, which is like 17 ways that this doesn't make sense I mean, why don't you just look at like, I don't know Disney back in the 90s when they were just making good film after good film after good film That was funding each success, you know project. I gotta be good films funding good films That's not possible You can give people stuff that is good that they like Yeah, because the idea that people wouldn't be receptive to something that's really really great You know at like that's the Lion King remake, but great. How like how is that gonna make you less money? If it's a great film you have to give people what they want and what they want is shit And that gets you buddy and then you can give people what they actually want, which is also not shit. It's so fucking what It feels like a false dichotomy like you have to make bad To make good when you can just make good to make good. It could always be it could all be good What why does John Faber have to make something that he doesn't have any interest in and what He's interested in the bigger question is why the fuck this nostalgic critic think this is a good argument to begin with Yeah, just just say that Lion King is shit and that's the end of the fucking video Yeah, it's not But at least it pays for mandalorian. It's like what? It's like that drum joke. It's like that. But at least you get mando and And I don't want it. I don't want you on this I think the cats care for you I think I'm ready to give the people the fluff they deserve not the fluff they deserve buster, but the fluff they need That makes no sense. I don't care He does not make Uh, what's his music? I custom epic. I don't know Is it crooked? What a strange place for you about to blow some hangers, you know, why are you showing me this right after I get up? To teach you to learn you to never wake back I I walk I was like, huh, I could get up and join the lads again or I could sleep more So I hear what it's gonna be a fun time going back to the lads and then yeah Show me no starter critic and I just want to fucking jump over the crack. I think but You're trying to call me We'll hint at the correct Yeah, that was totally on purpose. See? Yeah, he knew it I get it Oh shot Well, if you were gonna do the lift it up, why would you do it like that though? Where it's super close up and it's straight up. Well, yeah, it's not the right angle Maybe it's you had the difficult part which is having he remade it close by that you can hold up He has you remade it, but shitty like the line king This is this whole thing a metaphor Or is this like a stealth explanation for nostalgia critic like this this ending scene What do you mean? You know, you know, just you have to make the shit things to make the shit that you really want to make So he makes nostalgia critic. Oh my god. It's like meta. Oh, I get it now. Yeah Wow Kind of works. I was thinking he was like, um having some dissonance in his head where how commando is good in his head It's good. While while lightning shit. Yeah Pissonance. Yeah, I think it's a good word Yeah, kind of don't worry little mermaid paid for mando season three It barely paid for itself I don't know if a little mermaid paid for the little mermaids I'm starting to see a pyramid scheme falling There you go the cash cow Well, wait, but but there's still three and a half minutes left. No, that's it's fine That's it. The rest is like I was gonna say I feel like you don't have too much exposure to nostalgia critic Oh, okay. That's fair. That's fair. I disagree so strongly with this concept that we have to have bad content Before I get to the good. Yeah You have to have bad At all just at all. You don't have to I guess you watched the rest of the video mutually at some point This video and I I was sent to this portion of it because I'm assuming the rest of this is probably normal Because I was wondering if there's anything that leads up to this because if not, this just comes out of nowhere It's like, yeah, this is a really pissed movie. But actually it's fine. It's like what? Yeah, no, it's not Well, I think this is why someone let us know in uh in superchats because this was what wouldn't fucking bizarre to hear It's like, yeah bash on that stupid remake and then suddenly it's like, but we need them What no, no, we don't Just kind of reminds me of the that Game studios need life service games to pay for their shit And then we have like all these other games coming out They're a single player without microtransactions like look how well they do they do way better than your shit games Like, oh are you saying we can make money out of good things crazy? So Next up we have A little video from someone we've covered before This this video is called the bad movie trend Oh, and the thumbnail says why do we like bad movies with mario on the front of it? I mean, that could be an interesting topic The lad who made it is the lad who made the video about marcus being a bad character in ok No I retract my statement. Hey, you can have good opinions about this one. Okay Yeah, maybe there's already a text on screen Text on screen is perfectly normal You know, you know I I'm gonna I'm gonna go All right Well, all right, and you know, I can't legally make you stay so Yeah, or technically All quantum mechanically, I don't Yeah, I don't know like you guys you're doing this 24 hours. It's fucking incredible. I don't know that I have it It's 5 30 Yeah, like me. All right. Yeah. I'm 5 30 a.m. Yeah That's that's you're almost waking up time. That's fine. There you go. You can stay easy That worked out real well. How about that? Every every minute spent in here is a minute closer It's true. It's true. I'm so happy to have been here for years It's awesome that you guys are doing five years and Soon six and then 10 it's gonna be great. I'm looking forward to We ain't even gonna stop by the time we hit our 10 billion year anniversary. It's still gonna be going. That's right Right. It's incredible Can I come back trained ai to respond to videos? Can I come back guys? I have to walk my dog Yes, you're allowed to walk your dog Well, thank you so much master. I wish there's no problem Nonetheless, I I am gonna hop out. It's so good to be here I hope that shortly my schedule will be better because you guys have invited me on several times over the past couple of months And I haven't had the chance my schedule has been very very chaotic, but I'm really excited to be able to come back He didn't give a fuck about Once it comes back, that's fine. That's fine. He had to walk his dog, right? That's true. Yeah Dogs are important rags. Yes, they are. Yes. They are. They are very yes. They should be appreciated They put up with a lot of shit So hopefully my schedule will clear up shortly and I'll be able to be on a lot more frequently because I do miss doing this Well Good. Yeah, we want you back. So do your thing and go and the death of sincerity right there, right? I'm not as sincere as could possibly be All right. I'm the definition of sincerity Happy anniversary. I absolutely love to have you. Thanks for jumping on man. Absolutely. We're all of you. Have a good night See you later Bye toodles don't get shot. All right. Now we are back to That's like a this whole group And yes, y'all is here in theory Liar, that's lewis trodingers are trodingers lewis Yeah, I'll make an anime noise awesome Good job That's an anime noise you could tell because it's shit and awful All right, I suppose it's up to us I like these other thumbnails here. One just says circle wears makeup. It's like, okay Yeah, I bet yeah, you go like foundation or whatever first and I was also gonna say this is the uh It's like the dead zone The half 10 a.m. British time. That's gotta be like the time where just nobody's alive or around If somebody's in 3 000 people watching us what are you guys doing? You're probably all from Australia Maybe yeah, because it's 4 30 in the morning here in freedom lines. So jeez And here we are watching a video about movies Let's do it. Let's find out the bad movie trends find all about it. Why did we start liking these bad movies? There's a moment in the super mario brothers. So why do we stop liking bad movies? You're gonna go all the way back to when heart was first thing because super mario brothers. Maybe it's definitely not a good start Oh, is it not playing for you guys? Yeah, I did a I did a reload so it should be right reload five seconds We're at five seconds. Like if you were asked, why did we start liking bad movies? The first thing you probably didn't want to go to is like, oh, you mean like like so bad. It's good What do you mean? Yeah, that's what I would think of If you're saying that people would like stuff Well, the the title has bad in quotations So I don't know if that's supposed to be like, oh, they're not really bad, but I I'm not I'm not certain what that means. Maybe we'll learn. Maybe he'll edumacatus Here's your book. I that would be fun I'm here to learn the other thing would be like a transformers type Why would why is that popular when it's bad if someone said something like that? At least when michael bay swans would do really well Um, and I think our answer would just be that it appeals to like fundamentals for entertainment for an audience, right? That'd be pretty straightforward pretty much. Yeah, so let's see where he takes us on this journey We'll be when they're planning something about fighting bowser. How do we do x? What's the plan? And then the answer is cart and it reminded me of this. There's one thing this video needs kpop Do you remember that it's horrible? Oh, I don't remember that. That's like youtube rewind I know it's the reason why they don't do these anymore a thing. They don't do anymore No, they stopped because it became too cringe the cringiness killed it when everyone knew to make money like super disliked Yeah, it didn't benefit youtube at all. It was just something everybody made fun of So I just like that instead of uh listening to the audience and just making it better It's like we're just gonna stop Do you remember the fucking like the amount of time? I would actually like to get a dump of the amount of times Will Smith has turned up in a meme video going. Oh, that's hot That's hot No, yeah It's like the beginning of a dr. Zook in the medicine show song Gazy it was a really forced segue and the snobby youtuber a forced segue the carts is a forced segue I mean, obviously they wanted rainbow road Well, they tried to give it a reason I can't believe you're saying this but it you have the several worlds in the world And they go from one to another and they need to do it fast. They go with carts. I don't really have that much of an issue with that I mean, it's they they gave it some it's not a great explanation, but it's something they could have done nothing Yeah, but I guess what i'm saying is it doesn't It doesn't stand out to me when I was watching it. It's like good god. That is awful. No, no, it really didn't It was just like, okay. Yeah, all right We're analysis brain inside of my skull Knew the supposed plot reason was really just we need to get to the next big mario set piece and Everyone knew it. Surely everyone else. Well, that's all films We're trying to get to the next step. You're always looking for reasons to get to the next part. Yeah Everyone saw how dumb that was right I need to hear the argument. Tell me why this is especially dumb that they get into carts to get from one world to another Yeah, tell me how this doesn't match the mario universe logic because i'm willing to concede Laws in terms of writing or stretches, but like an especially bad thing. I don't know about that Was in pain just like me and then imagine my shock Looking around the theater and seeing nothing but smiling faces totally locked in enjoy. He's that guy the meme They don't know that For some epic mario kart clips, I mean scenes I had a comically bad reaction and I've had bad reactions to scenes like this and movies like this in the past It's not a learning mindset, which is embarrassing It is too easy to see people enjoying something you don't like and do a proverbial trumpian wrong Something about mario made me realize just how stubborn I was being and let me tell you another form of this intellectual laziness on my part My other reaction was like, uh, it's a kid's movie. Uh, it's nintendo. It's a big brand And if we're thinking critically here, this is an answer to who is enjoying it or who is causing the enjoyment And that's not what's bothering me. I want to know what the enjoyment is. I want to know what these movies are It's really that hard to understand why people like the mario movie. Yeah, it's a very simple structure It's such a simple crowd-pleasing fun movie There's nothing subversive about the mario movie or anything. It's colorful all the cool fun references and sounds happy bounce out characters A basic story structure. It's it's really easy It's it is if anything you can make the argument that it is like You put into a machine make a crowd-pleasing movie and then it churns out this The like it's like almost optimized to be the most crowd-pleasing and offensive movie if you're a if you're a film analyzer YouTuber, I mean like come on. This should be like this is t-ball level. Shit like come on and What are kids getting out of it? How does that differ from adults or some adults people like me? And then why do some adults unlike me still love this just because this movie is not my taste doesn't mean these questions Don't deserve real answers not excuses not rationalizations real good answers So let me steer us towards the answers by asking These are questions I've had for a while now The first is a truly bizarre quote from one of my biggest writing role models a chirro oda creator of one piece The context here is that oda was writing strong world one of the one piece movies And he was describing his initial plans for a story about luffy's childhood and it was going to be a real emotional story That's what he said It was going to be a real tear tricker and then he says this as I was in the middle of ready yet I started to worry. Is this kind of cushy story the thing I would really want to see I don't believe I've ever written something purely for the purpose of making a good story If that's something that happens in the comic the overall story has to be longer And then I don't mind a good story in there among other things as a dash of spice However for something as short as a movie if I just made a good story It all came down to where I could fit in the kinds of things boys really want to see Action and strong characters. I had just churned out this touching story But no matter how good I can tell he writes an anime but carry on The story it was the only people that would probably enjoy it were adults and that's not my role Wow Um, so much to unpack. Was there a translation issue drop that on me, huh? So much to say it's like I don't it almost feels like he's getting lucky Yeah It was the only people who probably enjoy it were adults. I don't understand I'm yeah, I'm confused by the quote. Uh, I don't I don't know what to make I don't I don't know anything about one piece like I don't know like how good or bad it is or What you know who it's made for I just find this quote strange without any context. I don't know what to do with it I draw comics for boys. It wasn't the kind of thing I wanted to write anyway So even if there was a call for something emotional, I didn't have to please everyone asking for that Starting from scratch I fixed the theme on excitement and from the planning to the setting change it all just like that So basically oops, so you had a great story and then we're like, oh, wow I don't want let me get rid of it so I can write what kids do enjoy, which is a bad story apparently Okay, so he's confused That's not what he said He didn't say I'll write a bad story He said he would write a different story that presumably still thinks is good It's just a different kind of good the kind of good that would have said he'd focus on action When he said he'd focus on strong character, it was like that appeals to boys Did that mean strong as in like of strong constitution? Strong like physically strong or I don't know It's a very confusing quote. Maybe yeah, like powerful characters and action because I can buy that. Yeah the Young boys like to see action I mean kind of everyone does adult boys like seeing that too Part of the thing is based on that quote I'm not sure that that fits into the topic that's being had about it being good or bad because I imagine that if you asked me Be like well, I'm still trying to write something good. It's just different You know different way of going about it Yeah, I suppose we'll have to see how all of this fits in with whatever the hell is going on Let's say what the heck Oda really seriously This is something I never understood with all these bad movies that come out these reboots These bad sequels full of hand service movies no one asked for that Well, these are not the ones to point to because everybody likes these Yeah, no one likes them and the box office for them failed like transformers. There's always the garter for this Those will be bad I get the appeal of the superficial things and the nostalgia the fun the easter eggs But why not also just make it a good story? Does good writing a question? I mean, yeah word than bad writing I mean, I probably answer that with a yes. Um It just only takes more the time time is money in hollywood for sure Just put in all the fun stuff and make it good. Please. Okay. Second question has to do with something I heard from this Creator called atria. Oh, that's where that's the word dev shops He goes to big a discount foods Which is the by the dollar meat store. Yeah, he goes. Oh, he doesn't go to this place. Fuck this. This is way too expensive What Big a discount foods. No, he's got to pick up like his plants and stuff In crackers or crackers or plants, but you know, please not use slayers on the stream Yeah, it's fun plants Yes, oh he said it again. Yeah, so here's a plan I'm sorry. He keeps on doing it. He's completely saying the pee work. Listen to this. This is gonna freak you out People who have been in meetings with netflix. Oh, this is the ai porn man Ai porn Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure I could be wrong. I better be careful because they all look similar sometimes a lot of streamers that I don't Look does his shirt say lewis? Wait, does it No, no, no does that hate that was almost the most that was almost the most amazing thing ever in the Okay, some people saying it is him So the the story being that he got in super trouble because he searched For ai porn of his best friend's girlfriend. I believe that's the drama And he like he had to do a stream where he was crying and saying that he'd failed as a person and and stuff And then he had to like donate or something. I don't fucking know it's youtube apology. Yes Isn't it who's the Ludwig, right? That's the other one. That's the it was Ludwig's girlfriend or something Cutie Cinderella. Is that the one it's so difficult to remember all the names Yeah, I yeah, I don't I don't know something about some of that But there's probably people in chat who kind of like oh funny how we had chud logic right now He'd be able to tell us all of it. He yeah, he give us all the Second question has to do with something This is this is gonna freak you out people who have been in meetings with netflix all over hollywood Have noticed that one show name keeps popping up over and over again, and I bet you cannot guess the answer Emily in paris in every meeting netflix has been having with talent. They've been saying can we I've never heard of this show in my entire life. I've never heard. I'm gonna assume the premise of the show I've heard this one very good someone named emily who is in paris Let's just say you can tell by the beret the red beret. Oh, she's a red beret. Oh, wow Show that's more like emily in paris. This is their north star It hits a niche that they have been calling ambient tv Ambient tv. Oh, let's see. Oh, I'm gonna guess that ambient tv is just something that you can have on Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, it's like easy listening without the having to pay attention to it. It's like ellar I can follow it without following it Yeah, yeah The stuff you put on to fall asleep to but let you don't care about you know Hmm not even to fall asleep to just like I'm not even It's like noise Right second monitor viewing. I guess. Oh, maybe while you're you know on your phone or doing something else classic Yeah, this is second monitor content while you're doing something else not even like Not even like at the computer. Yeah, I'm laying in bed on my phone and on my computer on the second monitor on my computer Is this thing playing just to maybe remind my subconscious that maybe i'm not alone Yeah, I like to hear the voices It's slightly structured noise At least structured noises like that The idea that it's a show that you can kind of just have on Right, so They want more of that background noise tv So my question here is What okay, so sometimes you answer a question by applying or discover It's going to be more play time and people have more clicks on it Which gives them probably in turn more revenue. I guess I don't know Uh, I think it's a fascinating phenomenon. It's both reasonable to be surprised by it and also to reasonably figure out Why that's also something they would want I I could buy both reactions pretty easily. Yeah Oh, yeah, we're driving new information But sometimes you answer a question just by accepting that the phenomenon exists What Oda is saying is shocking to someone who loves great stories someone like me someone like most of you I'm sure but if you accept what he's saying as true that if you write a good emotional Teardricker story it will appeal to adults and not to young boys and young I don't buy that I think I don't find it. Yeah, I gotta say what pics are Yeah, dude Some of the some I don't know if we're supposed to be considered um Outside of the norm though. No toy story made tons of money. Come on People love that and people were emotionally Moved by that and even as a kid people would have enjoyed it. Well, I I find myself getting emotional at media more as I get older Yeah less My uh, I'm getting worth considering as well that it wouldn't disprove shit to have Toy stories successful because that does have action and it does have excitement Yep, well, I mean that's it's a good example and the pixar movies are a really good example of a balance that's that You can still make really great stories that are crowd-pleasing feel like pixar films are crowd-pleased They got a lot of comedy. They got fun wacky characters like a cute Style a lot of the time like an approachable style Uh, but they still have they're like emotionally If anything, it's a yeah, this was that I buy I hate movies that try to make me cry I don't even believe you yeah, you're like t2 when what he's put thumbs up in the in the lava that shit's fucking sad Yeah, come on. Don't tell me. Yeah. Don't tell me you were like, I hate this That'd be good. Explain your position Explain Yeah, I think I think boy he's fucking adored that film Especially that moment because it was fucking yeah, like I don't know this this is way too I disagree if you want to make the observation that like boys and teenage boys Like want to see films that have more action that don't want to watch films that are just people talking in a room Like yeah as a as a trend for sure, but I mean definitely like People like good stories and kids like good stories too. It's one of the you know, it's one of the reasons why it's annoying It's like it's a kids movie kids like good movies Like have higher expectations of content created for children Yeah, and also people who are very creative and putting like I don't know adult jokes or something into into these kids movies that you don't really get I mean, there's a reason why you have all these posts online. It's like, oh, shit I never realized this as a child or something as well like When dexter jester said cabito's saver tart It's just it's such a perfect delivery It touched me in ways that I didn't know I could be touched That's the prequels for you. I'm still in therapy They brought a lot of people to tears All kinds of different reasons. Yep. I mean Oh, yeah, like there's so many films Boys do just want to see excitement at strong characters I mean, can you just apply what he just did earlier and say like why not have excitement strong characters and tear-jerking moments I mean, that's kind of what t2 was exciting as fuck super strong characters and super sad That's what a lot of the Bouncy If you like to point out that this the stills of this scene when it's not fair He described a good story as being the rule of the spice That means he's seeing it as enhancing some other thing that's primary. So what is that other thing? I don't know if that's what I don't know that that's what was meant I'm willing to I think this is the reasonable interpretation Um, if you describe something as a spice, then it's enhancing something else. Sure Uh As a spite well part of it is I'm wondering because You know what's up lost in translation Well, but assuming it wasn't lost in translation. That's a reasonable take away from what he had all right Other thing is there and once we do find that then how our story is functioning in that way How our story is functioning as spice. So Oda does explain what the main course is he says that Um, I'm not actually not too I can understand that too. I could understand someone being like I want to make a movie that's mainly just this guy killing people Can you throw a story that can that's what happened with fucking mo m? That's what they did with michael waldron. They were like, we've got all of this shit. Can you write something? to put all this shit together The story at that point is the spice. I suppose I'd be willing to accept that This see for boys. There's something special about seeing two powerful things fighting each other Oh god, this is actually making me think a lot about mo m because Imagine this was the logic. It's like we need to have doctor strange fight wander and the story is really not important The boys will love it No The point is it's the kind of thing that gets their veins pumping now again That may sound really superficial to us. Let's take him at his word. That is the experience apparently Excitement veins pumping and that does seem true You can totally imagine a person especially young boy just seeing a fight scene between two strong characters No context and it's exciting There's adrenaline blood pumping and that could be a fun enjoyable feeling again. No context. No story potentially sure Or I can just see it is completely superficial and I don't care about anything that's happening Um a fight scene in isolation doesn't necessarily have no story Yeah, you can tell a lot of story with how they work what they do I can see that we got no context because it's kind of like yeah, but no stories Like typically most action scenes will have story So now without context, I'm still usually wondering like why why okay? Why are these two characters fighting? What are their what are their fight moves tell me about them as characters and What what are they going for the kill? Are they fighting each other out of necessity like what what's going on here? There's a little lot you can pick apart without that context And that can still be a story in of itself So that's worth noting Story due to that experience. How could an experience like that benefit from a story? So nothing earthshattering here stories evoke emotions stories make us care and stories are ordered They take events and give them structure Interesting. They take events and give them structure um They take events story takes events and gives them order I'm willing to run with that. Sure. Sure. That's uh, yeah Sure. Yeah, I guess fight scene will naturally get our blood pumping But if we care about the characters it's all making us feel stuff If there's a structure that is designed to focus the power of these moments Then the writer is taking an average excitement experience and engaging us more effectively in everything we like about it Okay structure. Let me elaborate a bit more on that Structure is designed to do exactly what I just said it ranges the pieces so that they can operate efficiently at full capacity But the way that happens is by creating conflict with holding the solution and then granting the solution We get all these wonderful new itches and the story doesn't let us scratch them just yet And then at the end we get our giant backscratcher, and it's so nice that happens on the general store structure. Yeah, pretty common Yeah, that can work as a metaphor for stories again. I mean, this is much more solid compared to like filamentos wacky advice Yeah, this is normal. This is normal Filmento is like 12 minutes and 17 seconds is when the ostrich should arrive Dude, I was always bringing my ostrich too early. I I just that's the issue. Yeah. Yeah, that's why you're not writing the books Exactly. I have my ostrich inside there inside the studio Macro level and then that happens on individual level also with scenes with beats bunch of little Tiny-ear backscratchers So two things are happening here number one We feel all the moments involved more strongly in terms of their own emotional impact because the structure of tension and conflict Makes us want the emotional payoff that we're getting more It's a hunger is the best spice type phenomenon here and the number two with that impact of all these We gotta get that. We gotta take that ring to the end zone Questions we get brand new emotions unique emotions that only come when you have structure Namely completion satisfaction and catharsis and we love those feelings and we especially I mean the the higher and more potent versions of them I suppose because even in isolated scenes you can get those experiences Depends on you can but if we're talking about the big, you know finale the uh the resolution The good guys win side the day the happy, you know, yeah, which is obviously the other end There's equivalence for this across all genres like even Big spooky monsters chasing you and you kill it in the second hour. It's like, yeah We love them when they're associated with other emotions we love with empowerment romance happiness So here's the thing all those emotions all those dynamics associated with the structure I don't think we care about any of that anymore. At least we care less about it Why would I sit and wait for your stupid back scratcher what I can keep scrolling and find another back scratcher? Oh, okay. Um, I feel like we're spinning off into a very different conversation now Yeah, um, like I feel like this is going into like people being super adhd and unable to focus And yeah, like content content now now now an unwillingness to have I'm sorry. I'm gonna go to bat for these people too. These people still like movies Yeah, if it's good You know if it's good, I think that's a deal. Yeah That's that's that's gonna be really Unless unless his point is gonna be that this generation who like this stuff like mario because it somehow is built the same way these are I I guess Oh, I like that the mario movie is just not but I mean I would say that the mario movie again is way more conventional Like yeah, that's a hyper conventional film in terms of its structure and Beginning with the brothers pulling them apart for a significant amount of time and then bringing them together to beat them But like that's a really normal example of what he was just talking about with the uh The completion something right in the catharsis I don't get the invincibility until the end that you know That could have gotten at the beginning that could have jam packed all of that into the beginning But again, it's still that normal storytelling structure I I would say that I mean, it's a quick movie But I mean a lot of animated films are like an hour and a half You know, like it's the reason why across the spider verse kind of rare because it's over two hours long and that's Uh more uncommon for theatrical western animated films anyway immediately Why even get all itchy in the first place seems kind of stupid when I hear people say Oh, no look at young people our attention spans are getting shorter and shorter in a sense true the long-form content is Very short Long content isn't these forms that aren't as itchy its podcasts i.e. conversations. It's live streams i.e. personalities It's friends having fun. It's my path. It's look. That's us. Hey Yeah Hey chat, that's you too It's cheer chat and the scrolling take a farmer from Didn't he say earlier Because he just said clips didn't didn't he describe mistakenly quote-unquote the stuff that's gone on in mario as clips and then he said I mean scenes Oh, so I think this is going to be about how mario is tick tock or something I mean there are scenes in that film that are not like easy to present out of context for people to enjoy There's a lot of the connective scenes between the big, you know poten payoff moments Well, because why don't you It's weird thinking about as well because you remember you was talking about how disconnected and like crazy the cart sequence is It's just like oh, I just it's like I scrolled up and now i'm watching the cart sequence clip Right, I assume and maybe jumping ahead here Like a hundred years ago, they would not be able to sit for 12 hours a day playing minecraft or watching tick tock They would not have the attention span for that. They would not have the patience wait No, wouldn't it be the opposite of that their attention and it's so so high that they would want a more focused activity Yeah I thought the purpose of our attention spans are getting shorter and this guy from a hundred years ago He'd have a very long attention span. It would just be too fast too much I mean, I feel like there's a lot more to consider there too. Like I don't even know if he considered the value of Doom scrolling or well regular scrolling even I'm gonna go back to farman. You know, I'm going outside like I don't want to see how old best he's doing I don't care about your whatever. This is mario Mario But they absolutely would have the patience for being in pain until they can get relief from that pain They would have patience for itchiness Um I think we're really starting to stretch the metaphors usefulness at this point. Well, we're still not to like gratification now, aren't we? Yeah, yeah An itch is an active discomfort that Is that like a is like a generation thing an education thing an age thing? What is um, What would be the assumption a technological advancement makes? I think it probably is the way that people consume media has changed a lot. It used to be like, I mean, you know You think about decades and decades ago, right even in the 50s TV wasn't on all the time. You didn't have it on demand The films were on the films that were playing with the films that were playing There wasn't really home media There was tv and you had to watch it when it came out like it wasn't everything wasn't available to consume On a whim and it wasn't as much. It wasn't as accessible. So It's definitely your technology and you know standard of living whenever we want food We can have it instantly whenever we want entertainment. We can have it instantly whenever we want kind of anything We can have it immediately And even the jobs that we have, you know, they're they're relatively far more easier than they used to be You know, generally speaking We're a lot more You know, you know privileged and well off than we used to be and I think all these sorts of things add together And it does create this attitude of you know instant, you know, I can we were saying instant gratification I'm used to having whatever I want right now. I'm not used to I mean like we watched snow white not too long ago I came out in 1937 and you you didn't have like tv's in your houses. Really you had a radio. Maybe You didn't have a TV. You wouldn't have a TV. You didn't have a TV If you wanted to go see a movie then you had to go to a theater to see it at approved times You know where they were actually showing it and if you wanted to have You know, you didn't necessarily just have access to anything that you wanted And even then you still had it way better than the people who lived 50 years before you It was like a you know, entirely different sort of landscape, but um, I've just seen a comment It feels like we have a backwards we can consume when we want so content should be more structured more patient Rather than background noise. No, I think the point would be that because you have to engage with the media on its terms It kind of demands a level of focus You have to go see it at this time. You can't come back and watch it later. You don't have everything at your fingertips Um, you can't watch anything you want at any given time So one of the arguments for white theaters is still super valuable for consumption of movies because The director gets to have some more control over how you're engaging with it You can't be sitting there fucking around on your phone, right? I guess you can still You can if you're a jerk But you Demands you to pay attention in a way that like it back in the you know back in the 60s I well people would have had tv on as background noise, but like it was more of a Focused activity because the show was on at that time and you wouldn't get an opportunity to watch it again Like the scarcity of your ability to consume that media demanded a greater amount of attention I would imagine Yeah, and if I if I have to you know, put on clothes Go outside get in my ride go to the theater And money on it Yeah, then then I have like an interest even to myself to make use of You know the time even though movies are like super mundane now You know, and I think that's good in the sense that they're so easily accessible and Anyone can go to them and that sort of thing But even then most people focus on the movie while they're at the movies because you know I came here to do this is why I made all these conscious decisions and expended some money a premium money You know in the sense of entertainment to go and see this thing Yeah, there's those psychological cues in there that it is time to lock in on what is happening And I guess the same goes for things like theater and stuff like that like you've paid the money You've put on the clothes. You're going out. Um, you know back in the day You would have the end of the broadcast day which meant that, you know, you couldn't just watch it into Perpetuity you would actually have to sleep and have that additional structure there too You wouldn't a lot of people weren't choosing their own sleep schedules All the way back when there's a lot of it's very it's a very interesting topic actually just looking at How friction how frictionless things are now and how a lot of us are having to add Friction back in because it has been so taken away to our detriment. Um, you're making me think about Something that is kind of related which is i'm pretty sure that there's arguments being made that Having too many choices is is bad for people people struggle when they have an overwhelming number of choices. Yeah Um decision paralysis, right? Yeah that that um that less choices can be beneficial for people Uh, and I imagine that you know when you when you present people would like you have access to more or less Anything at any time that you want um that it just changes the way that you engage with things compared to Uh, you you can watch stuff But you got to watch it this time in this location and you can't watch it again It's that that even though you want to you know pay attention to focus on something that's simply having The option of well, I can watch it later that it just has an effect on uh On the way that you engage with that media Yeah, how many times does someone say yeah, I mean it's the meme of where do you want to eat for dinner tonight? You know and it's like I just like whatever and they're also whatever you don't want to even like Think about bothering you to choose. You'll go through all the effort of going out there Spending the money spending the time coming back But even just making the decision of where to do those things is just like whatever It'll be fine no matter what so I think Also, we are uh, two-thirds of the way through the anniversary. Yeah, very nice. Whoa Hooray exactly eight hours remain Yes, yes a nice short eight hours I think that's a big difference to start on today all these forms of media so produce experiences We love with emotions. We love they're like what is talking about it's excitement. It's funny. It's chaotic It's calm romantic dramatic even meaningful. We're still getting even meaningful Just think it's funny All of that just without withholding anything from us first And I think you look at how people consume media and they're not really into completion either Perfect example my youtube channel her really every youtube channel people click off. That's how it works I don't know that that would ever that that's just that was a constant forever I don't think there was ever a time where people were like I must complete the video. Well, it's It's it's basically This necessity if everyone's gonna see the first second, you know, and then it's just no one's, you know You're not gonna reach the end necessarily It's just I guess I can understand If we bought into the idea that people would give something more of a chance than they do now That if you don't grab somebody on a youtube video in the first 10 seconds That that's the most important thing where I was like back in the 60s A tv show probably didn't need to grab you in the first 10 seconds. It could be like a minute You give it a bit more time maybe Well, I can wait that's true, but I guess we have no stats for that Yeah, right now Yeah, I guess now though when there's when it's so easy for me to just Exactly go back click on a new youtube video boom. I've got another choice instead of like well There's only there's only six channels and you know, whatever on the tv I had to finish that video People are watching clips nowadays not entire movies. They read headlines not articles They scroll and scroll and scroll knowing there's no end to the scrolling because why exactly do you want me to stop the stimulation? This whole catharsis thing you're talking about doesn't seem worth it if I have to stop being stimulated And to be clear. I'm not doing a whole society commentary thing. I'm not criticizing. I'm not judging. I'm at the stage I'm just observing here. This is the reality. This is my theory for what's causing this phenomenon Okay, now we don't hate completion and like we talked about before starry still can provide structure Which has other uses and that is how we get the mario movie This is a suite of stimuli and moods and emotions that we identify as the mario experience And we use starry as a spice to enhance that experience to make us care more to make us feel things to So my my the way that I would either agree or disagree with him is going to be based on when he believes this era started Because I don't feel like the mario movie is very different from a hell of a lot of movies. I've seen in my entire life basically No, if anything, that's the biggest criticism someone would make of the film as you've seen a lot of films like the mario movie before Yeah And so the idea that like this is this is a film made for this era this You know generation I'd be like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about that. I mean, you know shock tail came out like 20 years ago What was the biggest strength this movie had? It's like, well the The ip that it's using obviously that was the huge thing. I remember shock tail. I do remember. I remember shock tail I played the shock tail I did too. Yeah, I remember that I remember shark tail. How could I ever forget shark tail. Will Smith fish to focus the emotional power through structure and give us completion at the end because Why not we can throw in a song for bowser because people will like that and see okay. This is getting weird because Now we're getting a little cynical here um Yeah, but we're because he's describing shit tons of films now shit tons of stories Like, oh, yeah, we'll we'll have you know, like a sense that they defeat the bad guy at the end We'll have a love story in there. We might have a song. It's like Okay, well, yeah Because you could say that about a film like Aladdin that came out 30 years ago. Yeah, it's got the musical numbers It's got the comedy. It's got the drama got the romance friendship It's like if we use the song example, right? Oh people will love a song He's like, yeah, but if the song is good, yeah, they won't love it, right? So if people will love a song We need to give them a song that they will love The aquafina song from the new little mermaid. I mean that was a song that they throw in there People will love a song, yeah Calling out a song is being generous It's not just like we'll just throw anything out of and they'll eat it up Well, um, no, was there a song in the simpsons movie? Uh I feel like there was a spider pig spider pig. That doesn't count. I don't think that counts But they did like a reprise of it later on in the uh freaky sequence. Does that count? Oh, damn. I don't know if there was there was a lot of you know music in there, but not the Dream day was in there. That's true. There wasn't a musical Yeah Well, okay, that actually might be good enough to say Simpsons movie. It's clearly a movie made for the modern generation because it's a bunch of it's more so clips Just funny simpsons moments. It's got a bit of romance in there for Homer and Marge. It's got a bit of like, you know, uh bratty criminal vaguely activity with Bart to throw that in for rogue behavior or something It just feels like there's like lame summaries like oh, there's a completion You know, there's there's steps along the way. There's a song Reductive as well. Yeah, it's just it's just like are we gonna pretend like this Mario story in this movie wasn't actually structured because it clearly was It was structured and it was it was okay yeah Like I feel like we really are heading toward the lake isn't the mario movie is just tech talk and it's like no It's not and I don't know I think you can clearly point to the idea of delayed gratification of There were expectations that you have of things that will probably happen in a mario movie like getting the invincibility star But they left it till the end because That would make it the most like there's got to be a conversation for Sure, there might be a an incentive to make things cathartic all the time But there's always going to be an incentive for like a big catharsis because that's something that people remember is a really big Like impactful resolution You cannot have a one-minute tiktok video or it can it even be that long Once you finish the lord of the rings trilogy, right? Like payoffs like that. I don't think you can take those and scrunch them down into a 30-second one minute I say that you can't because you talk about the lord of the rings What makes it so great is all of the foundations the building blocks the scenes that lead up to The big moments that people remember I think it's a problem the way that people talk about movies is that I think sometimes we forget about the connective tissue the building blocks because What we remember the you know the potent like it's kind of what we're there for in a lot of ways is the big payoffs the potent moments But the connective tissue is super important in terms of making it impactful. And yeah, I think necessarily That's not something that you can emulate in a minute You can't emulate what you get from the lord of the rings in a minute Yes, I think there's something inherent to the quality of the payoff that is in its foundation that you can't You know, I think I agree who is like are people willing to You know, I think a lot of people would say yeah, the lord of the rings trilogy is great payoff It's amazing, but it takes me 17 hours to sit through and it's a you know amazing I'd rather just sit here and scroll through funny cat videos for four hours I think that's the point that he's making though. Instant hit instant hit. I think I think that it's his point Is it? Yeah, I think a lot of it is. Yeah Yeah We can throw in a story for a big ending because people will like that. What about more stories or easy Story is getting a bit too spicy. It's rude. See but like yeah for me. I just like no It's all story everything that happens in the mario fucking movie is story. It is a little story Yeah, let's not forget the like story is the things that happen even down to like the cuts telling you stuff about the characters who are Writing them like I don't I just don't buy this like No, it's clips with spice spice being story Or something I don't know when kind of like a story distracts me when it's terrible Not when it's good Tuning the flavor of the main course wanting more starting these situations is like saying I love the so the main course in his eyes in the mario movies like action and characters being powerful Yes Yeah, it's I feel like it's uh, I thought that the the guy who made one piece said that the spice was the Excitement like the action the excitement Then the that was additional to the story the foundation was the story A lot of people in chat said that the quote was butchered. So I don't know Oh, okay. Well, then let's let's move past the quote then If we try and figure out what he's out saying irrelevant of the uh, the one piece guy quote The Lord of the Rings music, I wish it was all music Hyperbaric, but you get the point and I think what it used to be when movies Sorry, can we rewind? I need to go back. Okay. We're going all the way back here We can throw in a story for a big ending because people will like that. What about more story? Whoa easy there story is getting a bit too spicy It's ruining the flavor of the main course wanting more starting these situations is like saying I love the Lord of the Rings music I wish it was all music Sorry, but you get from the perspective all good. What does it mean to be all story? What does that look like? I thought it was all story the whole story It isn't everything a part of the story that's in the movie. At least I guess it should be You can say that the intent is cynical, but the scenes are still story whether or not you think it's achieving much Like a lot or not much at all Normally you don't put an action scene in there because like oh, I really need a break from everything that's been happening so far Because then we'll just cut to a completely different scene It's like here's two random people that fight each other Enjoy your two minute break and then we go back to the actual story. That's not how that works We're in a weird place Because if he showed me peach doing the course and then he said see this is more of a like excitement clip thing Not story. I'd be like, how is it not story is telling you what The fact that this is set up here tells you something about this castle But what she does for the fact that she's good at it tells you something The fact that she wants to train Mario to be good at it Like there's loads of stuff story stuff happening here. It's going to be relevant for later I don't understand how we can separate it out. How is it not story? Or is that not a good example to point to they wanted a mario level in there They wanted it with all of the standard mario Pitfalls and enemies and stuff like that. So it's contextualized. Here's a course that you yeah Like that would be an example of I mean, it's kind of the same with rainbow ride They knew that they wanted these things and they kind of tried to justify them It's not like incredible or anything but it's you know, it's more than they could they could have just said whatever Fuck it. Like it's an obstacle course because mario At the point and I think what it used to be what movies used to be and what's happening with these people What's happening with me is that I love stories and I grew up thinking of movies as synonymous with stories Movies were primarily a medium for telling stories Well, they are They are they were they are they Yeah, more than likely will be Yeah There's still a whole lot of spice. There's music. There's fun. Oh, why are we I don't like this separate I'm getting it wasn't just story. There was fun. It's like what what stories can be fun music can be story This is all elements of story Yeah, stand like an I mean a musical would especially when you know, like yeah music is story Stalga cool visuals ideas the nostalgia cool ideas Ideas a story is comprised of ideas. Yeah You'll confuse or it probably happened because someone had an idea We we are oh shit. Yeah, this is getting so hard to follow Uh, hmm Okay, these are all there to enhance the story experience, which the movie Is the story ideas enhance the story and so does the fun by the way They're not part of it. They enhance it Not like the story grows Ideas are the baseline ideas are before the things even like exactly well unless I don't know maybe what he's What is he referring to by ideas exactly? He showed like a lady with a dagger or something Okay, if I feel like he should not be Putting the story and themes are separated. No that themes are the story. They're part of it They're not like a thing in addition to it that like Yeah There might be themes can things can be a little a little broad They can come out of it or they can be a part of it. Sometimes they're emergent. Sometimes it's You know, it's subjective, but I Do you think it's gonna touch upon any of these whole things where they have Mandated action scenes they have to have in any story. Yeah, that'd be a good one support Sorry something like that because that's where I would take this video to personally because then the story suffers Because hey now we have to have another action scene like in all the star wars series right now Like oh, we need at least one or two action scenes and we need this to happen here and there They'd be able to produce in a primary way, but at the end of the day There's no rules and movies don't need to be primarily about telling a story. That's uh Oh Wait, wait What what what is a film that isn't about telling a story? Give me an example If we're gonna get super like baseline here and say that movies refers to Moving pictures and you'd say like a series of moving pictures doesn't have to be a story I guess I agree with you But what will do you live in in where like we've got several examples of big Movies that are just not about stories that don't contain stories. I don't really they don't need to be about telling stories like okay But we understand that colloquially speaking they're essentially a synonymous at this point movies stories Like in terms of it denotes the medium, but it's still always almost always a story Like how many times have you watched a movie that didn't have a story in it? I don't There's I mean, I mean if It's an account of a sequence of events What movies are just moving pictures And so I have like the only example like with dots on them and I move them around does that count as a movie This is like why are we here? I don't want to be here The categorization we know that we're not talking about this when it comes to the average film that somebody's going to go see In theaters like he's got visuals from pirates of the Caribbean like I certainly hope that like This wouldn't be an example that's being pointed to right of a film that isn't about telling a story Yeah, I'm saying Some reason I don't he's gonna bring up wavelength for example, which was away because of pirates A 45 minute experimental film. That's literally just zooming in on an orange wall Well, it's tough because a lot of those things might be telling stories still It's like an orange rolling around or something Sword steps on it, you know, someone could be like, yeah, this is where I don't want to be here I'd rather what are we talking about? I'd rather stay on focus of Why you believe the mario movies popular in relation to tiktok. I'm fine with you talking about that I don't need to talk about how movies don't need to be about telling stories because I'll get confused They borderline this necessarily have to be about telling stories. Um, which I I wouldn't go necessarily the the root of necessarily it just the that's clearly the state we're in I don't know why we're bringing this up. I don't know what this helps And I'm already confused because I'm thinking about how he believes the fun ideas and music Uh things that help story out like they're separated from it. They don't they're not in it They just they spice it up or that story spices them up. It's this video's losing me Even porn has stories as a vehicle to produce in a primary way But at the end of the day, there's no rules and movies don't need to be primarily about telling a story That's the main idea here those one and a half to three hours You can use that time however you want if you want to use it just to make me laugh You can do that if you want to use it to just show All right, I'm not doing that without a story. Yeah What do you mean? I feel fine terms you saying like the fundamentally you can't even tell a joke that isn't a story as well Jokes rely on narrative structure most of the time. Do they not? If you if you have a joke that doesn't involve like the movie format that would be like a picture like a comic panel Like can you can you tell can you give in the medium of movie? Can you have a joke that is not a an account of a series of events? Well, that's what I thought. I thought you were getting that at that That was just terrifying. Oh, it seems like the implication is a film That's just trying to make me laugh isn't a story or it's not principally concerned. We're telling me a story But like it's a strange statement if it was like there's a lot to unpack Yeah, hot fuzz would like would like to have a word Yeah, what does he mean by story? I'm just I don't know what his definition of story now. I don't yeah Yeah, well, I mean getting I often wonder if we take these, you know YouTubers who talk about this stuff and you ask them super insanely basic stuff like good. What's a story? And just to see what answers we'd get Yes Having a full softball conversation you can do that if you want to use it to showcase music do that If you want to show how an Inuit family survives the winter do that and if you want to just do a bunch of That's a story of scenes and game elements with story functions I'm kind of wait. Sorry. Were those not stories or was it those stories? The one with the telephone code of night is not on a story That's two people talking about music do that if you want to show how The author is a story like that's when the author is not musicals are telling stories through the music Okay, I'm so fucking lost. I'm all I this is the most lost we've been and we've been lost a couple times this anniversary I don't know what's happened anymore If you want to use it just to make me laugh you can do that If you want to use it to just show two characters having a full softball conversation Jesus Christ. I don't know why you're saying just as well just but this is A story like my dinner with Andre is a famous story. Why are we talking about it? Like it's not a story What's happening people having a conversation with each other is an account of a sequence prevents the sequence is the conversation It's a story. It is it is a story Is necessarily temporal I don't understand. What do we what do we think he's saying? What do we I I don't know what he thinks a story like I don't know what story fundamentally is in his in his uh in his world Yeah, I'm um, I'm Like I don't even I can't even put into words what I think he might be thinking because it's I don't know. I don't know. I'm actually yeah, I'm lost. I'm actually lost. I don't even know what to sort of clutch at Well, I guess we press on this is what else can we do? Yeah Can do that if you want to use it to showcase music do that if you want to show how Such a fucking weird choice of visual A really bad example. It's not even that is the visual choice fandom of the opera. Why the fuck would you choose that as an example of not a story? Yeah, unless Unless of course, he's saying that these are all stories, but that they choose to showcase particular elements We're sure but I mean stories are always making choices about what they want to focus on That's why I don't understand When Inuit family survives the winter do that and if you want to just do a breakfast Yeah, you've just described a story Game elements with story functioning basically as scotch tape to make it feel like one big thing You are welcome to do that as well. If audience wants to see it more power to you. These are not bad movies So it seems like the idea is The bad story yeah, hang on a second now, let's get really weird. What do you mean? I don't think he knows what he's just done Hang on let's Just the mario one I'm just gonna be Say from roll it back to here If you want to show how an inuit family survives the winter do that And if you want to just do a bunch of fun mario themed scenes and game elements with story functioning Basically as scotch tape to make it feel like one big thing You are welcome to do that as well if audience wants to see it more power to you These are not bad movies. They're bad stories. Wow But you haven't you haven't explained why the stories are bad You said these Meaning more than just the mario one. He didn't say that. Yeah, but is he saying these in reference to films that are like mario That doesn't include that from the opera. This is on him for using those visuals, right? He just had my dinner with andre and fan of the opera and that inuit thing They're all bad stories, but they find movies, but they're not bad movies Which is again, it depends on how we define First of all, yeah saying that they're bad. It's bad stories. Like, okay Okay So there are good stories and there are bad stories. They can be differentiated from one another because Which by the way that I want to for the record that particular fan of the opera might be terrible But it's not like I don't think that's the reason for that visual. He was talking about films the Specify on music or at least it's like, okay, so a fan of the opera would be a like a musical Hey, whoa. Yeah, like and so at that point are we saying the musicals are really great movies, but they're not very good stories Which is such a weird music and the story is just there to facilitate the music. Yeah, like it's scotch tape for the music Is what he's trying to say, right, which I think is insane Oh, would it only be applied in the cases where it's thin so like the lion king sure Music is a big part of that but the connective tissue is is good So yeah, he might tell you that the lion king is a great story with music a spice But oh, how do we differentiate? I have no idea. I have no idea Is it the artist's intention? Well, yeah, now we're getting a bit uh, we're getting a bit philosophical there You know if the spice is like seasoning, you know the seasoning is part of the meal It's not a separate component of the meal unless we want to break it down into all of the component parts, right? Like the protein the vegetables the sauce I mean, hey, we've still got half a video to go. So let's see what else he says Oh, shit. Yeah, just before we move on the only thing I can grasp onto and maybe I'm wrong here is maybe he's talking Maybe he's conflating Good and bad stories with complex stories or simple stories That's the only thing that I can even remotely think of that maybe that's what he's doing But I don't even know if that is that if that's true or not It's a great criteria in and of itself No But if story is not the top priority, it won't ruin the movie. Why would it because actually if you think Whoa, wait, wait, it wouldn't ruin the movie Actually Okay, this is not a good thing to throw it after that Yeah, you gotta you gotta re-record if that's not what you're concerned somebody said in chat Maybe he's had problems formatting the script. This is just definitive evidence. He's got bad script formatting If you throw this in a fucking brackets I think you wrote the script said it was like, oh, shit. I don't believe that wait. Hold on It just put it. Yeah, actually, they're not bad Even though that was your conclusion from ramping up with all of this Leading into that point just we record it Yeah, like this is worth being clear on because this is the fundamental your fundamental take on what even stories are Like we surely are doing it right As well if audience wants to see it more power to you These are not bad movies. They're bad stories But if story is not the top priority, it won't ruin the movie Why would it because actually if you think about it, it's not even that these are bad stories That may ask you this he never had the experience of liking him Now even more lost. Yeah, so he didn't realize the real time He there's part of the script to say they're bad stories, but they're not even bad stories Hi, okay I need that um game over tune from mario to play in response I'm listening to that soundtrack and realizing. Whoa, there is a lot of filler in the song I really like this one part, but as a song, this is a bad song Whoa Whoa There's so much filler in this It is it is complicated to talk about You know the way that you need to score for a music versus on its own or in a video game or in any other medium I don't think we want to delve into that as a whole topic Yeah, we even though we're here all day. We do have a limit And yeah, I just don't want to do that a limit is the day music Soundtracks are structurally bizarre and broken I I know No, what are you doing? Bizarre and broken as music soundtracks are structurally bizarre. What what does he think a concept? So sorry movie soundtrack listener. This is hard As a sound or yeah, like oh, I mean you can listen You can just listen to the lord of the rings soundtrack and you can notice the repetition of motifs You can recognize the tones of the songs and the sort of vibe they're going for The idea that they're structurally bizarre and broken is Yeah, I mean that's bizarre. There are some soundtracks Like so for instance, if you listen to some of the soundtracks for marvel movies There's like weird structure to those because the the music is composed to fit like a way that it's already been cut compared to If the film was cut to match the score It like it depends on the process A lot of the a lot of the music in snow white is just to acts specifically to work in tandem with visuals Yeah, exactly So some of that will sound very bizarre, but that's because it's not trying to just be a standalone piece of music It's often like to be Like sound effects or to you know enhance visuals and what's happening there Part of is like you got to recognize the way that you know film scores come together sometimes it's Like how is it cut together? Does the score proceed the you know in editing? Is it edited to match the music or is edited and then the music matches and was it edited with the music in mind? Like what purpose does the music serve in this particular scene versus that scene sometimes the music isn't like At the forefront and then other times it is at the forefront Like saying as music soundtracks are structurally bizarre and broken. That's way too sweeping of a statement. That's so I imagine it's wrong in almost every example I I don't like this particularly because I listen a lot of our like video game film tv soundtracks A lot of my listening from games I mean you have to conclude as well sound he said soundtracks. It's not just film He's talking about games as well soundtracks has to include video and and video game Yeah, like saying that we're talking about a mario movie mario. We are talking about the mario movie Yeah, but he's talking about soundtracks as music Our structurally bizarre and broken Yeah, yeah for more than just for obviously tv shows and games are going on Yeah, yeah, there's a particular point. I like about um soundtracks I think it was it was that the john john milliams or george lucas that said it was um a really good um A good film score is the kind of score where you can take the visuals away and uh the other sound effects and stuff And you just listen to the music and you can still tell what's going on It's telling it's telling its own story through the music and then that enhances what's going on That's an interesting observation but you think about like for example looney tunes music is very specifically scored to to uh A company specific beats it you brought up with snow white as well, right? There's a lot of these musical like flares flourishes these small little bits that accompany individual character action that if you remove the visuals It's uh, it's not necessarily going to be it's just not going to be the same experience necessarily Um, it's complicated when it comes to the purpose of the of a score um for a film or you know television show short film animation uh animated film, you know, or the animated short uh video games No Form is dysfunctional, but that's not the priority. It's not its job. A soundtrack's job is to just hang in the background It is to Kill me kill me kill me kill me kill me This is insanely retarded The soundtrack is like the focal point I mean, we it's like a sentence that you have to like take one by point by point a soundtrack Is supposed to is like well, we've already fucked up haven't we're gonna pick the boring choice The avengers theme playing like that is that's meant to be a focal point of this scene when um Yeah, even in plays in fall for the first time when the witch change riding out from uh Oh, fuck. What's the place called the? His house basically curithonga. No, that's the place near it Fuck, why am I blanking on that something mean a smorgul? Is that where he lives? Maybe um Well in any case when he fucking rises up And the music goes Like you think it's supposed to be filler Or you know, I mean all of the fates like oh just thinking like that's not I mean Shit ton of star wars music There's so many moments where like the music comes to the fourth Yeah, there's plenty of scenes in in you know, depending on which films we're talking about Where the music is not meant to where it's meant to hang in the background to Uh not draw too much attention away from what's happening in the scene But there are heaps of like a lot of the big moments that people remember in films Are moments where the soundtrack like goes right to the forefront Where it's it's like it's super inextricable Damn, why'd you say this? How does he think that like what about a musical? What about an opera? How does his brain handle these? Musicals are different. They're not They're not uh They're not the same then they're not they're not purely about story because he said this about soundtracks Just as a whole soundtracks, which god damn. Why did you say this and yeah as music? Sure, it's malformed. It's dysfunctional, but that's not the priority It's not a job a soundtrack's job is to just hang in the background It is to be filler and then to jump out to certain points and oh there you go Jumps out at certain points Okay It makes a lot of sense you would have said this because it's just like how could you go through life watching so many films Without realizing that there are parts that get highlighted for fuck's sake How are these people with these channels saying I don't know say this? I don't it's not right Well because by the way this covers everything like what else can music do other than not be noticed be noticed You know what I mean like yeah Do music and you still said You still you still said the soundtracks and disjointed as a general statement broken. He doesn't need to describe as broken. Yeah Exactly the same with story in these movies. I don't like this at all So the story is supposed to be where did you go? Where did you go brain story? It's supposed to be in the background filler sometimes We're sometimes supposed to be noticed like big time. What is happening? I guess we'll have to find out what what is how does he distinguish these two things? Let's see It is filler. It is supposed to be in the background to not make noise the background to what what is it in the background of? Yeah, but what what in the background same statement? We're just talking about like seeing bowser is like see it's mario stuff Like you're showing between here where the penguins are running out and they're getting the snowballs. That's story. That is story Yeah, but it's in the background for example Yeah, it hangs in the background of the penguins running out and current snowman Is he actually gonna argue that like they're the pushy penguins of mario's world and that that's what's actually happening here It's a it's a tick tock level appeal to people who like mario stuff in the background of that There's some story that this is a kingdom and they're defending a thing and blah blah blah, but that's not really important At which point you could make this argument for every movie ever To not make us feel things and then at certain points it jumps out and does story things and makes us feel story things That is good storytelling. What the fuck? I this is a good story functioning in a supporting role It's so confusing functioning perfectly as a secondary thing as a supporting thing. Okay change gears There's another side to this. I'll be honest. It's not my favorite thing, but it has potential. I can understand it I can relate to it. Let me ask you this for any gamers out there watching this Have you ever had that one conversation when you meet someone new and you're like, hey, I'm a big gamer Are you into gaming at all? Yeah, I love video games. Oh what games you play? FIFA Oh, and I'm not talking down my nose at FIFA players here, but It's okay, you can do it often not Right, so this is gonna be about how I love movies. Yeah, I love movies, too. What do you like transformous? Is that what we do? Mario? Yeah Mario these are soccer fans who have found a completely new way to experience their love of soccer They can play the game themselves They can watch the game they can talk about it and they can play this virtual version of it And all these different ways of engaging with this hobby it activates entirely different parts of the brain We get different emotions different types of experience having this variety expands my love of the thing And that is absolutely great for these people if it can be that and then Sometimes it works a little differently And this is the thing that's not as great in my opinion if only because it's a little more compulsive Sometimes it's not really about experiencing it in a new way. Sometimes. There's just experiencing it more Sometimes soccer is a bright part of your life and you're just looking for more time Did you say that this is not necessarily a positive thing or something? I was getting a little lost Experience more of something that you really really like Because they consume it one way another even if it's bad something like that Then in the sun I'm not in the shade more minutes with the brightest thing in your life I can't always go to soccer games I can't always be watching interviews and highlights and talking about it So I play some FIFA and that's an easy access way to make me feel like I'm still in soccer world This is also what's going on here with movies in my opinion. How did we get three movies out of the Fantastic Beasts series? I I don't know enough about yeah, I know I guess I'm making enough money. There's enough material to work with I'm not exactly. Harry Potter is popular How does that make sense because they realize Harry Potter fans just want to spend more time in that world Because that is a bright part of their lives same with Okay, maybe they made a lot of money Hang on a sec though. This this is just this is not a new phenomenon. This is just forever Yeah, yeah, like I need to understand what what makes this We are what does this have to do with anything new all the bad starware shows arguably the bad starwars movies as well What's good? Does this not apply to the prequels whatever you're about to say With the franchise I love more time in the sun less time in the shade. Okay next category. Okay What what what what did we just learn there? What was that? I I don't know Is for like sports fans who dip the toe into video games mainly because they want to play sports You didn't say it, but it sounded like he was trying to get at the idea that they're not really gamers They're more You know equivalent being you're not in it for movies. You're in it for harry potter You're not in it for movies. You're in it for lord the rings or something like the the ip's but like Where are we going? I don't know anymore. You know in it for the movie you're in it for mario. Is that In super disclaimer, this is the one I really don't like. This is the what if category What would pac-man be like as a movie? What would barbie be like as a movie? What would this is an adaptation man? What's what to say? This is a video game adaptations. We get all kinds of different results for this But what does this have to do with like the bad movie trend in terms of stories being structured where story is belly connective tissue And then it only shows up at the by the way, doesn't mario fit into this category of like being a good story by his definition Of like the story exists in the background for the set pieces if we want to even Porden those off and say that they're separate things and then it shows up at the big potent moments You know what i'm mario What are the limits on the what if thing because it sounded like you saying like what if And then like could we just say what if the shining book was a movie does that count? I mean, what if barbie is a movie isn't like a doomed concept. No, of course not. That's why it's really weird at all It was about velma and she was super unlike one. There's no scooby-doo What would ghostbusters be like with a female flavor or more accurately? What would female be like with a ghostbusters flavor and again if you enjoy that is a weird sentence Um, that's not fair that movie's terrible. It shouldn't be seen as like a female With a ghostbusters skin and that's why it's awful. It's like i negatively enjoy what if movies In general you like this lucky you i negatively enjoy. Does he mean so bad? It's good Or does he mean that he doesn't enjoy it? Oh my god There's too much if what what if barbie is a what if movie by his criteria So that's a film that he would negatively enjoy or did he like it like just to clarify negatively enjoy Does that mean like the room? I just negatively enjoy just mean he doesn't enjoy it, but he said it in a really weird way Well, let's maybe he'll explain himself. Someone said like does that mean really dislike It's like I don't think he's that insane to describe dislike as negative enjoyment I would think that too but look at the sentence right above it You like this lucky you I negatively enjoy what if movies. I yeah, this is a weird one. We'll have to keep going There's stuff more power to you This is just the opposite of what I go to the theater for with this category You are not going to the theater to get a good story. All right, but you don't know that You can't say that no no I go as far as saying he's wrong. I didn't need to be bad Also, why is suicide squad here now? That's just Is that a what if every DC film is a what if film because that's an adaptation of a comic book That can't be it. You are not watching this to get a good story. It's like okay if you say so I mean you are watching it to get a good story because it's terrible, but you know people wanted it to be good Theater to get an answer to a what if and no, what what does that mean? You're getting an answer to a what if not a good story Oh How come those can't how come why is a what if just like necessarily not a good story It's a positive experience as an answer to that question. You're satisfied. What would it be like? It would be fun It would be interesting. It would be all this. I think what is my getting good Yeah, but what's getting me about this is that the root of a lot of the greatest stories we have is the Fundamental question of what if what if x happened? Well, yeah, if you broaden it out every single story is a what if so I don't I need him to Lock this down a bit more because saying what if barbie were made into a movie Why is that any different from saying? What if the shining book was made into a movie? Or what if you know d-day was made into a movie What if the last of us was made into a television show? Exactly. I don't understand Where the lines are it's creative variety. You didn't think of what if michael sarah was a ken Oh, so interesting. He's not a ken. Well, he's not a ken. He's not a ken. He's an alan. Yeah, get it fucking rolling Respect alan. He's the best character in that movie. It's very interesting and I liked him in the movie. Yeah, he was kind of interesting Yeah I don't even know what has he seen barbie like this is getting weird because barbie has a story It definitely does it does and also barbie is well regarded by a lot of people like well regarded might get Not us, but yes More of what if scenarios what if this guy would be barbie, but that's like what if barbie was so weird though because As meme pointed out like a lot of writers will start with that shit for their stories and have loads of it floating around What if what if there was a dinosaur park that'd be nuts Crazy And to be fair the way I can relate to some of this is that this is all very much what a lot of fan fiction fans Love about that medium and that was medium that I used to really really enjoy fan fiction is excellent at serving these exact purposes But those are what if movies don't use the word excellent while rings of power is on screen Fan fiction is a very broad description of itself Colors within a familiar thing you get to spend more time in the sun and you get the fun What ifs and some fan fiction I like how that's he's very he held How dare you luckily he's talking to people who fucking hate all these things or at least think this shit But if he was talking to someone who loves the ball as stories and he's like we don't go to these things for story Do we they just sit there like oh You know they answer a question Yeah, she also what if man does a what if tissue in the background Oh my god Russian people do want great stories But some of them do want just that and at the end of the day There's nothing really wrong with using stories in a different way like this and the more you think about just that phenomenon We have always used storytelling in a variety of non prioritized ways cultural stories But I thought that the I thought that the premise of the video was that something's different now Stories in non prioritized ways are myths. What is about to happen? Please don't bring them into this I'm too hard to follow and at the end of the day There's nothing really wrong with using stories in a different way like this and the more you think about just that phenomenon We have always used storytelling in a variety of non prioritized ways cultural stories Myths are almost always primarily about transmitting values and ideas and the you mean like stories That's stories are transmitting That's what's the fundamental story telling I just don't get it I don't understand what what would he say is the purpose of a story I don't know. I don't know what he means From things like this right like I'm like conveying some kind of theme or message Or a virtue some value like what what exactly is a story and what is it achieving if this isn't a story Or like a second the story is the secondary purpose in this case I don't know it's just so funny like you you look at a definition of myth and the first thing that comes up is a traditional story Especially what considered the early history of a people or explaining a natural social phenomenon. It's like come on, dude The term mythology is I like definitions and everything linked with storytelling This is getting a little hard to follow like I said, he's got his whole own language He probably does have a book on Ryan to be honest with you They use stories just as a medium to engage people Just as a medium I'm just I like how that's our new like low-key insults is like, oh, he has to have a book on writing Tell stories you have commercials that tell stories comedies I really do think are a very close analog here in comedies We do not care if the story is weak as long as it helps I What is what's come on? I mean we don't care if the Help me help me A lot of these bad movies are like comedies But instead of funny, it's nostalgia or star wars or genderbend or mario Just like with comedies we want more of our lives to be spent laughing Apparently nowadays we want more of our lives spent in proximity to the things we like that energy those vibe. How does it? How is it different from any era? How's it different from any era? We want to make the point of out nostalgia bay like this is very different from the points That were being made earlier about attention spans or the purpose that a story like story is supposed to serve in a film You know as a story just the filler and then it comes out and the Imaginary just like started saying to you guys like Um when alien came out it changed everything because people didn't care about story anymore. They're just kid about being scared There's just be a bizarre statement Untangle whatever the hell that means and it's like oh, yeah And then aliens changed everything because it wasn't about story anymore and it wasn't about horror It was about aliens as a franchise Now i'm just like i still don't know what you're saying It's like alien three that was a combination of the horror Franchise with aliens mixed in with story as a background And now so goni weavers Ripley as an iconic ip in which to delve into And understand and that that is what created the franchise of alien three Something Please stop talking I can't do this. Um I think people really need to be careful When they start talking about meta elements and story and things You know as I guess narrative elements Because it creates a lot of confusion Um, and I think a lot of people use these things and they don't quite know what they mean or Or like they know what it means in their head because they're them But like conveying these ideas to other people It just doesn't quite work. I mean good definitions Good good definitions. Don't confuse your terms. Be clear about what you're talking about Be a good communicator Yeah, keep your meta conversation. We have to do a lot of work to try and understand what he's Don't say that that soundtracks as a general rule are disjointed I'm broken Because that's just fucking bizarre and wrong It only said as music they are broken. That's all he said It takes a film critic on youtube to be this stupid I mean my my biggest frustration with all this is just how hard it is to understand him like You couldn't have maybe made this a little easier for me. I just I'm having so much trouble I I I'm lost and I'm not even sleep deprived So I can only imagine what you guys are going. It's a bit of a struggle at this point like this This is really disjointed and bizarre. Yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know Ibs that makes a lot of sense to me. Okay changing gears again. Are you ready to turn off your brain? Never. No, I can't do that. Turning off your brain is another phrase you hear often associated with enjoyment of bad movies And this category has been a thorn in my side ever since I started becoming interested in writing And I'm sure this is something that a lot of you can relate to you've probably had this exact conversation Okay, maybe he's yeah, okay. Okay. Maybe yeah, we're back on the train with him. Maybe he agrees with us on this Before when you finish a movie and there's something you didn't like and you start talking about it And the response to get is oh you you think about this stuff way too much me I don't need any of that complicated stuff when I watch a movie. I just want to turn my brain off I don't want to think I just want something simple easy and mindless Stop it with the analyzing. This isn't that kind of movie So I have always had a hard time understanding this line of reasoning because it's not that I like complicated stuff I just think what they're calling simple is actually just bad. Like, uh, why are you eating that rotten apple? Oh, you always thinking always analyzing these things. I just want to turn my brain off I thought you said that there wasn't a problem with people engaging with like those You remember when it's like bad films, it's not a bad film, but it's a bad story But that's okay. Like wasn't that the general conclusion was that it's okay to go into films with those kinds of um Preferences, how can you also hold this position? If like you feel like there really is a problem with turning off your brain when you go to watch something because you just want it to be simple mindless fun I feel like there's a contradiction here, but I can't quite I can't quite zero in on it I I feel like we're listening to his diary. It's just a random thought after random I guess they were listening to his diarrhea Ah, yes that too And it's gonna make you sick So what does it mean to turn your brain off? What's the enjoyment there and what type of story is this category where it's like? No, it's not that kind of story. It's not subject to I don't even know what you're not supposed to think about it What are you not supposed to think about? Okay, so one thing I do notice about this characterization Is that it's often said about formulaic storytelling and when I think about formulaic storytelling I think about blues clues. Some of you may have heard of this phenomenon kids want to be visually and mentally Oh my god, um I don't know. I don't know what else to do other than just call the friend we let him keep going He needs to sit down and just think and share and think because this is Really going off the rails. We simulated they want to explore So kid cd shows wouldn't naturally show a lot of new content to kids new episodes every day if possible And then along came blues clues and they completely reversed that paradigm every episode would premiere on a monday And Nickelodeon would air the same episode on tuesday on wednesday on thursday and on friday They would do just one episode for a week straight and kids loved it. There was a comfort in repetition I don't have to work as hard to understand. It's not a mess of brand new stimuli I have to sort through every single scene. No one's the same episode every day. I'm not trying to It probably also helps their kids You know what's funny about this is very easy to entertain, but yeah What's happening here is like someone says, you know, schnee watches Basta furious with a friend and he's like that did make sense that didn't make them the guy goes You can just turn your brain off and then she's like, hmm You know what you've just said makes a lot of sense to me and he's like wait, why he's like well because This is kind of like that thing they did for children. Like you're entertaining. Just like a child I figured it out. Yeah, okay. That's cool. If you like Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it I'm not looking down at you when you're playing FIFA No, no, no, but you're like a child and I don't want to be your friend Okay, I'm gonna make a video about it I figure out the plot not trying to figure out what's coming next. Who are these people? No, I know that when I know what's coming I can expect it and it will come and that feels nice It's actually a very similar phenomenon as the back stretcher thing we talked about earlier But here it's not the story itself generating anticipation and tension. It's the story formula So even if it's not repetition per se like blue screws Even if it's just formulaic storytelling then mindless action will be you've seen a hundred different versions of that formulaic ram You're like a way better example to points. It would be the general Structure of sitcoms that are non serialized It's it's the same broad story structure each time. There's a conflict. There's a resolution But the characters never permanently grow a change There's always going to be something new each episode that they go through Like if an example of not literal repetition of the exact same Like story beats but but a general story structure that people like I mean, you know future armor made the observation people don't want to see things change People don't want to see the status quo change. Yeah, and uh and good old single female lawyer They they want that familiarity that comfort of things will always, you know There's a there's sort of this general state that things will always remain in forever Well, we say that but also some of the most popular TV shows of all time are ones that you want to see Evidently that was not the case. You know things have changed now. We're in much more of an era of serialization Yeah, um the only theme that's fucking tying this video together is repetition familiarity nostalgia like those vague concepts, but there's no overarching There's no there's no connective tissue between any of the other points. It's just that general Theme that he's tying back to in Completely disjointed ways. I don't I don't get it. I don't get it at all It's tough to follow It is. Mm-hmm. It's very tough On mark movie, you know, what's coming you get to wait and see it happen There's that satisfying moment when you're like, oh here comes this scene and then it comes He's about to say this and then he says it what you're enjoying is your mastery of the formula It's nice dealing with something that I already understand. So that's really interesting. We've talked about this a couple times Uh The the two times this will happen one direction is the We've understood or followed a lot of what the story's put down and that we're seeing one solid You know ending of how it would go for a particular thing and If it happens, we're like, ah sweet, you know, everything built to that nice one The other side of that is when it's like this is so crap and so predictable They're gonna go there and then they're gonna do this and that's gonna happen and then it doesn't like Yeah, there you go. I wouldn't describe it as enjoying our mastery of Storytelling when we predict something in a positive sense It's more so just uh, I feel like the film gave you all of the Set up for why things would happen and you can follow the cause and effect You know where it'll end up. I'm glad the thing happened. Not that I predicted it would happen The joy comes from it's happening. Um, and then the quality therein And what if I enjoy like I generally enjoy films most on the first watch through um But so I don't see how I don't know Maybe it's you know, it's the meme right of the the person's like watching the horror movie. Don't go in there I think it was a family guy joke, right? The spider that's just yelling out its prediction. Oh, I knew that would happen Like yeah, I think there's an element of people feeling good about Making accurate predictions even if it's you know, not that impressive because something's really formulaic I think see that both of them can the the two that we split them up into both can provide like enjoyment We'll we'll laugh if we predict a batwoman Lot point like oh, she's gonna burst through the window And then she's gonna block all the bullets with this stupid cape and everything will be fine Yeah, some of that comes down to the competence of like, uh, yes the accuracy of that. Yeah Um, yeah, you know when we predict it on what we consider to be great storytelling Like I said oftentimes it'll be like we're celebrating how well written the thing is in terms of like they set this up They set that up. That's gonna be there. That's there. That means this Yeah, I never think of myself as a participant in in a way like I'm Yeah, that's strange. I I've never considered this and now that I have I don't agree with it Um, not generally because I never would have looked at it as I'm enjoying my own competence Interesting way to describe it Yeah, like we're really good at predicting batwoman, you know plots is like, uh, it's not really that means I'm not gonna pat myself on the back too hard for that Confirmed. It's a nice comforting feeling of order to end your stressful chaotic day. Okay, final category because everything up until now leaves One specific phenomenon unaddressed. There are people we all know people like this There are people who cry at every sad scene in every movie good or bad They will spoon and gasp and sob and every romance movie. They will leap out of their seats cheering for the heroes in every action movie I don't know what we're going with. Yeah, the plot is done. They just get super super engaged This is not a sad scene in the movie. Why are we using he's just fucking this is for memes No, this is excited. He said people jump out of their seats. Let's fucking go. Jaja. Let's fucking go. Yeah, but jaja Let's go. Let's go And the weird thing about this is this is not ambient tv. This is not a comfortable formula This is really intense emotion. It can even be negative emotion And it's this phenomenon of being able to feel intense emotion in stories that I don't really think are capable of delivering it So how does that happen? What is going on there? How's this person connecting to a movie that is fundamentally broken? So my theory is that when the are we even going to talk about what makes a movie fundamentally broken or Isn't the easy answer immediately just they don't think it's broken. I don't think it's broken Yeah, they've latched on to something that they are projecting on to the film for whatever reason Psychologically, they're doing it. They're doing it Engine is dead, but the car is still moving There's got to be some other force at play that we're not noticing like gravity Something else must be producing that effect and this is probably my I mean, we're we're fundamentally we're talking about people's emotions Which are not necessarily by any means irrational Wow He's he's liable to a speculative rags really speculative. So Here comes the really speculative is important enough to well I mean we can give our answers first, right? Like they're they're gonna be people who could say like that story was terrible But I don't know man just watching a father protect their children like it just it just gets me It just gets me every time that sort of thing Like everyone has those sorts of things it's It wouldn't surprise me at all that anybody could feel impacted by any particular emotional moment in anything for their own personal reasons That's just like normal Everyone's got their own Biases and experiences that make them tap into things at different levels All I'm trying to get out is that like I wouldn't ever see it as I'm kind of bizarre. I don't know if you'd ever go like um this the writing here isn't very good. Didn't you notice? Mr Taking it super seriously. It's like they probably didn't Yeah, well, it can be as simple as just like if you're like sometimes you just get really busy And then you watch a movie while there's so many other things going on in your brain So your brain isn't really expending that extra energy or power to Focus on the actual writing of the film So the emotional moments are hitting not because they're well written But just because you are so distracted by so many other things going on in your life That you're not really paying attention to the um details. So the moments are just hitting just on the on the sheer Yeah, uh, what would you another worthwhile thing to probably say is that just because someone even cries at a particular movie Uh, that doesn't mean they think it's great. They could end up being like This is just something that gets to be personally or whatever. It's still shit It could be that I'm I know it's happened to me. I see something. It's not good And I know it's not good like and I'm I'm conscious. I'm like, yeah, this is shit writing But there is some element either of the visuals or of the concept that they're doing that just gets to me emotionally Because I would I don't have like I don't actually have control over my emotions And there's so many parts in the subjective tisms of the brain that it's just like I mean, I just you know, I can't Also, yes, all the motions doesn't have to be crying, of course You could be super angry at a thing and not even really realize why or it did, you know Like a lot of people be very rationally angry at jar jar beings when he's a hero A lot of this, you know a movie no matter its quality could just help you to be processing something emotionally that that um, you you haven't yet um really come to terms with um, because you're seeing Something approximating something you've been through going on on screen Even if it's not the best written in the world and that can be a that's a completely irrational Response, but it is something that will happen nonetheless. It's just how neurochemistry works My most speculative idea in this video, but this is what I think is going on I think people who get big emotions from even the most broken stories are getting those emotions directly from the characters Not from the greater narrative. It's purely through identification. It's like the emotions are how is the narrative delivered to us and you start Well, it's like normally narrative is delivered to us through what the characters do so Probably that's going to be the case. It could also be however, it could also be like the music Music can play a huge part in sort of getting our subjectitisms to start going but I think that almost I think the vast majority of A lot of the things people Will feel from a movie is going to be from the characters because the characters are the agent doing the things That's how the story is delivered to us almost You know, I'm not almost exclusive. Is he trying to split up like the Emotional state in isolation versus how everything, you know came together to get us here I think he's try I think he's you began describing projection But he's doing it in a way that's conflating it with character. So I don't I don't know character. Yeah, I It doesn't surprise me. This is not a grand revelation that the characters that do the things of the story Are gonna be the subject of most of our attention and from which we will draw most of our subjective experiences I mean, that's that seems kind of That seemed like yeah Yeah, because they're the characters of the story Start crying automatically except it is more than that. I think it's not just the subconscious neurological stimulus response thing I think it is conscious identification again independent of the greater narrative They are zeroing in say it's a scene of a character losing a romantic partner for me if the narrative doesn't make that romance Well, like I understand what's happening Uh-huh, like if someone like if there's a husband or wife and they're happy if I watch the first Seven minutes of up or whatever it is. It's like I I consciously understand what's happening And then there's the other elements going on all the background processes that are happening, but I don't it's good if the events leading up to one compelling of the characters themselves are not compelling I'm gone. I'm not in that emotion, but for these people imagine I'm relatively the same, but I wouldn't you know rule it out. It's gonna be times God so to speak or something that appeals to me specifically Very very specifically they're thinking something like wow, how would I feel if I lost my romantic partner? I would be in such pain if I was in the situation these characters are in right now The situation matters the emotion comes from that not from the story machinery Which is the narrative stuff which is narrative. Yeah I don't this is You guys you gotta redraft your videos You gotta you gotta look them over if you're trying to pass yourself off as a knowledgeable person You gotta like not fuck up like this. Well this foreign. I'm just what a what a mess tough to pull it together You know does play for these people. Maybe it's also still important like I said super speculative But in general that kind of identification How would I feel if I was in the spot right now that seems to me like an accurate description of what's happening Okay, to sum up there are six There are six categories But wait you said it wasn't a bad movie No, hang on. Hang on. I'm going back to the one thing you just said So his speculation is people put themselves in the situation And then like oh that's sad. I'm gonna cry for example Why wouldn't you go that far instead of just saying? Oh, maybe they as we already put as you guys already pointed out sorry, um I just had this situation in my life like a parent died and then in this movie that's fucking person shit Someone's parent dies like oh shit that happened to me. I can relate to that This brings this man. Why would you go that way to my mind instead of instead of going All the way around and say like oh these people never had this situation But they're so into this character for some reason that they imagine themselves in that situation and then they Relate to that even though they can't because it didn't happen. It's I'm so confused That's I I think the problem is it's like you've gone past the simpler answer Which is no they think it's good like they actually think it's well like that or that yeah They think that the film is achieving what it set out to achieve and that there's no problems to speak of Or that if those problems exist that they're negligible That's a way more likely explanation than pure identification even though I think that that's a point that can be brought up But I sort of really With a bad movie trend that that would have been since can I remind everybody that he said He said that the marry movie among many are good movies, but bad stories But they are good stories, but now they are bad movies again, but bad is in quotations Are we supposed to believe the bad in quotations means good? Well, it doesn't mean actually it doesn't actually mean bad because anyone votes around it I don't know that there's a point that's that's been made at all about a bad movie stemming from these these priorities It's always it was a bad story, but not a bad film And don't ask me what makes a bad story because The I we are mixing terms and we are lost. We we are We are stranded to see and I don't know how to get back Six categories. I've talked about today six types of enjoyment of bad movies Please summarize feeling or an experience is the entree the story is the spice Emotion experience is the entree story is the spice. I don't get it. That's a weird analogy This is a type of bad movie. This is the title which is what and can two people watch the same movie And one thinks one thing's the entree and the other thinks that same thing is the spice The emotional experience will stem from what the story is. It has to it has to The story has to be the entree What I I I don't really understand it as a premise like the emotional experience is the thing and the story is Spicing on top the emotional experience you get from it must stem from the events that happen in it Who's in it and what they do it has to it's gotta come from what happens in the story The story is out of the entree. You need you need you need it Well, I don't know what it means to say the story is the entree and the emotional experience is the spice It's just a broken analogy through and through I like I don't I don't get it. I don't like that. Yeah, I'm with you I don't think this is a good analogy because entree and spice are specific Remember right he said this outside of me, but the emotional experience is inherently subjective The music ideas and fun are spices to story or vice versa Yeah, so this is entirely broken. This is broken. It's broken because if it works vice versa, then what's the point? This isn't this isn't a So he's talking about six categories. So are we to assume that the next categories are just these things? How to enjoy bad movies These are the topics. Yes, and this was topic number one So one way to in one category of enjoying quote-unquote bad films is to Prioritize the emotional experience when the story is the spice or something Right, and this is a separate category. It's also a super category that the others belong to This is its own category and a super category. The other categories belong to by the way What does that mean helpful? That's real great. So it's it's one and then You know two will be two one and three three one four four one that because one applies to all of them Number two is that his story is delivering a different experience of a thing. I like my different experience This is the fifa thing. That must do with the bad movie trend Yeah, that's why you can like the mario movie because it's bad, but you like mario So it's okay. It's a different thing that I like so you can get a different experience of a thing. Okay Okay, well, this is what I mean like at this point He's just he's just shooting in the dark because you're like, why did anyone enjoy the mario movies? Some guys just like I liked it because I really just like colors and I was high It's like well, you got to throw that in your categories. I liked it because of the colors Favorite video game because I was high this childhood toy or this board game is a movie. That's so interesting That's so fun. Number three is more time in the sun more time with my favorite thing number four How isn't that the same as two Yeah And full and no what if the what if was also because what if was barbie. Oh my god. Yeah, you're right. The what if was barbie Yeah Yeah, and she and ghostbusters. All right. Yeah. Yeah. These are not categories two three four This is category two and remember one applies to all categories Exactly. Oh not at all confusing It's like two and three of the same category four has an overlap of examples with two and what applies to two three and four I have a graph on this one This needed to be a visual graph not like text formatting Or is answering what ifs number five is turn your brain off. It's formulaic entertainment that I Oh my god, I could summarize this in one. Why why why why when this still be the same of like emotional Oh, I guess it's formulaic comfort. But no, but that's an emotional experience and story is a spice Oh, but then again, they're all subcategories of that one. So yeah, he did say that so He sure just said they're all subcategories of each other and therefore can't be criticized Well, and number six is engaging in the meaningful emotional content through identification I put myself in the place again as I see on screen. I feel emotional. I think it's time for this video to end Yeah And that last category is the most different in my opinion one two five are people enjoying something different Identification is different from a very different from emotional experiences the entree How Do you have emotional experiences that don't have anything to do with how you identify with the experience I don't I don't know what it means. I don't even know what like again. I'm still stuck on number one What does it mean to have an emotional experience as the fundamental component with story being like an Unnecessary component like the idea that it's the thing that's added on top. How was it not necessarily dictated by the spice? But it doesn't make sense But you know like the entree being necessarily dictated by the the seasoning It just doesn't make sense to me as a as an analogy And it's the the one from which all of them stem I don't get the main course if the emotional experience is the entree. Well entree is main course, right? Like it depends on where we're going. Well, yeah, and you know in Hell's Kitchen the appetizer and then the entree Australia entrees that he appetizes for some reason. Yeah, that's where I'm getting mixed up And then six is enjoying exactly what I do enjoy it's getting the same meaningful emotional content But just taking a completely different road to get there and if anyone's wondering there is another oh, no How about you go fuck yourself the seventh category and it's fake Which is the so bad it's good movie and I just think that's a fundamentally different thing unlike what we've been talking about up until now These are not broken videos. They're not trying to be good They're trying to be bad in the process of doing that No, I don't trying to be bad a lot of the time so bad as good as the best ones are when they're trying Yeah, yeah is when they're trying to be when they're trying to be bad It's like a different kind of thing If it was like because sometimes they don't work out, you know, I just think that's a fundamentally different thing Unlike what we've been talking about up until now. These are not broken movies. They're not trying to be good They're trying to be bad and I mean, yeah, that's wrong, but the room was not trying to be bad No, so that's broken. Even if they're trying to be shit. It's like, well, yeah, but they've still got like a broken story As you just said, that's what they wanted they're doing that they're creating comedy So they are doing what they're supposed to do. They're good movies and this is probably worth its own video Okay, well what the fuck's happened? If a film was trying to be what it is in the Mario movie absolutely wanted to be what it ended up being You have to concede that it's good then Well, so he basically just created the feedback loop of like as long as you've achieved the goal of entertaining the audience That you've created the good thing and just like, okay, so everything's good then I'm pretty interesting about these Because a lot of them are actually parroting the categories we talked about today, especially that what if you So in conclusion, if you are upset about the bad movie trend I feel that it's not ideal for either of our tastes, but there are a lot of people who are honestly enjoying these movies I already knew that this video did not help me And why are not the same? We're on different universes when we're understanding and engaging in art and media If someone's super chat like why do you guys think people really like the super mario bros movie? It's like i'm pretty sure we did talk about just like people love mario as an ip That's a pretty straightforward thing and it's pretty faithful in a sense of If you played the game at some point and then you watch that it'll feel familiar Yeah, lots of great visuals a lovely animation easy to follow story The joe wonderful music performances that seem pretty passionate Yeah, there's a lot to like about it. It's a nice little story in there about brothers sticking together Yeah All very very simple the animation is pretty top-notch expressions were awesome It's nice to see the italians win a world war for once We didn't need to describe those as the seven fundamental categories in which one appeals to all of them two five and seven Kind of the same, but seven's a fake one. You can't trust it It's true because there were only six. We were just testing you If we have a second video with a fucking secret spy in there This guy in filmento would get along for the reasons we talked about and probably He just makes shit out of the comprehensive list at the end of the day It's just art changing which art will always do and if we're being honest It's actually one of the greatest things about art that it can mold to basically whatever What that is changing in a way where there's more bad He just spent the whole video explaining how they're all bad and people like them still That he's like, but this is good though I don't know just feels like you drop out to me. You don't want to own that you think it's shit and bad So subscribe. No one of the reasons I want to make this is not just that it didn't make sense to me Questions like this there's a ceiling the way people address it like they want it to be the shallow Note sorry if I dissed your favorite thing at some point in the video I don't hate all the movies slash shows I used as examples with random online ratings EG No, there's dots. Ex exempli grazia Banta menace will always have a special place in my heart. You know what? You know what I hate like fucking capitalize your shit like why Stop I don't want this to become a trend. I hate this trend of just nobody Capitalizing things and we don't give a shit about grammar and we're not going to put our fucking periods on e.g In fandom menace doesn't deserve capitalization, which even that movie does And it's just like whatever text just whatever and also it's not it's not worth me saying but it's worth me typing out, you know, yeah I think you cannot learn from like saying oh mario movie This is not a movie and I get why you'd say that but it is a movie. So then what is it? What does this mean about what a movie is same thing was saying you define it. Tell me what a movie is Yes, tell me one of them in the beginning that would have made me clear things up Yeah, I'll take it better late than never Oh, this is not a story clearly. It is a story clearly. They wrote it as a story They could have written it with absolutely no story. So what is this? I don't think they could have How you know a story? How do you write it with no reason? A level if you haven't come ever ready Define story like we do not even close And you know what if you said okay, well, how does he define it? It's like no clue I have no idea what the hell he thinks story is or isn't That's wild too to think that I like best faith as I could possibly be I couldn't tell you what he thinks a story is I legitimately have no clue I don't think that he knows you look separate story from emotion from Ideas from fun from music. Wait, was that yaw snoring? I didn't see him light up, but I saw him light up. I heard like a Oh, that was him. I heard that too. Oh god. It's contagious too. Don't know I don't know about you guys. I I just can't fall asleep at my desk. I I will always move to the bed before I fall asleep I guess the time it would happen is probably anniversary though Yeah, um, sometimes I can if it's like it's really really late, but other than that It's very cute though. He's having a happy time at 6 a.m. The day is just beginning. Yeah, also. Hi gel logic Hello, yo, what's up? Hey guys, how's it going? They'll a break. We're dying a little bit, but yeah, that video was Five years. Why? Whoa five years is amazing. It is, isn't it? Yeah going strong. There's so much Five years have been total nerds That's right. I'm just jealous Because you want to be a dude You want to have a nintendo ds while all the other kids play football Listen, I don't know what you're talking about and what's going on um, but I just want to say I really have come around on your way of thinking about the marvel movies. I think A lot of your criticisms are correct. They all do they all they all you did you like them like Recently and now you're changing your mind or what what happened to you you've been on a knock I mean, maybe I just held out hope a bit longer than you guys did Um, but I watched the ant man recently Why would you do that to yourself? Well, there wasn't many movies on there, you know, it was like that was probably one of the better options to be honest And we just to to be fair. We do have a back catalog of many many decades of movies to for you to peruse So end games. Okay. I just wanted to punish yourself so you could you know Well, if it isn't but yeah, no, it was it was Pretty good. You liked it. Oh mo doc. Mo doc looked horrendous. I know that's a bit of a mean for you guys Wow, that's cruel. That's based on a man's face Wow And uh, the kind of political aspects of it like the um Casio the cop car thing and shit like that I watched more of this video on it too. So I've maybe you know got some takes from that. I've stolen But yeah, it was dreadful. So they're meant to be out of the Okay, good. I'm fully out of the MCU. I just think it's for shit now. I don't know what else Maybe a couple of gems to come who knows, but it's done deal, isn't it? Let's hope probably Yeah, at this point, I'm just hoping they can get up to mediocre intermittently All right, even then that's the that's the watch together link if I've only got you for about an hour or whatever Judd I got a perfect video. It's gonna be great It's media related. I'm not gonna let you get away with just talking about some drama related thing We're gonna make you talk about movies Yeah Fuck and one that'll be suitable for mr. Glydis as well. How you doing by the way? Hi. Hello. Hello Hello, sir. Am I internet guy? Hello. I've got they've got the link. What's going on? Just jump in Fairy you into the wonderful arms of talking about a movie thing. This is a short video. So don't worry Okay, okay, cool. Get some of your reactionary opinions on this innocent youtube. Who's just trying to make a living Oh god I'm afraid Thor is a new one. We haven't covered this guy before but his video is called how realistic violence ruins movies I think I've seen this video Realistic violence ruins movies. I like how it's just been non-stop for me, especially be rags of free non-stop opinions that are like why I don't have no time to be tired. It's kind of amazing. It's an incredible strategy Everybody's not played any Gothic phone in the night or something. No, we didn't do any got a phone yet It's not impossible. We would do it at some point. Yeah crazy I just assumed you would do a round at some point. Oh, hey Well, we did the quality content. We did the problem game. Yeah Oh, no Why is that happening? Is it like Oh, is it is it because it's been disabled? What would be the solution to that I uh ending the stream and sleeping What if you know that's not allowed rags Can you do a really strange and quick favor if possible rags? Is it possible for you to Download it and then upload it and then see if we can play it then or see if we can get away with it Not being because I'm assuming the age restriction is making it so we can't play it on watch together, right? Is that how that works? um, let me see I guess I don't know how to actually because the other thing that could do it Is that you can set it on your own videos that they can't be played outside of youtube, right? Is that it has and and has verified one equals one at the end of the url maybe uh What like on when you put it into watch together or something else? Because uh, it has like, you know how youtube sometimes likes to put additional shit at the end of the url So this one has and has underscored verified equals one So maybe if you erase that watch together and play ball with it I just checked and um, it's been blocked from being embedded That's the reason so if you reupload it super duper quick we can still watch it Okay, you might try and take the monetization from you, but I don't think that would matter Because it'll probably just delete to the second we get to watch it anyway the I have actually what this I've got a story with this one because I watched this is the first video I ever watched to this man and I watched and I was like, oh I am really not super impressed with this video and I almost didn't watch another video of his and then he Uploaded other videos and I was like wait a minute. These other videos are actually not bad. So I don't know what happened with this one so So, uh, we'll see we'll see what we think of this one Playback unavailable. Yeah, it can only be done on youtube interesting limitation. I don't know why you would want that Maybe there's some benefit to it. I'm not seeing I'm not familiar with because is it because it's got violence in Well, that was one thing. Well, it says if you try and play it while it's in the um discord It says playback on other websites has been disabled So I assume that you can get it to be played if you reupload it quick But I don't know why you would want it so you can't play it in any place other than youtube Maybe I would have thought it's better for sharing a video if you let it be embedded You'd think and how many times is it embedded to her it really? Like is detrimental, but I don't know I've done this to stop you and specifically you well, I know the that did that that that do you remember way back red rags that uh Ralph the movie maker's joke of video. He disabled it from being uh able to be run on different sites so we had to Get a download and upload that one to be able to play it on watch together And then he deleted it remember that Oh, yeah That was uh, all right. It's starting it's starting the process. So Didn't even have to wait that long video is the miracle of the internet Yeah, it's the it's the I remember the good oldization off No monetization for this boy because it's it's We're gonna be transforming it but not here Is this guy supposed to be never here? This will be what we call meta Uh transformation We do we make sacrifices to bring the people the content they just say am I right or am I right? Judd knows all about it processing up to sd nine minutes left So we'll see it says maybe nine minutes or so. I'm not exactly certain but uh Checking if it's got copyright it probably will I mean is it I mean we're realistic violence Are we talking like you know, oh a bit of a punch up in a in a movie or we talking like so You know cutting someone's eyeballs out or some shit. What's interesting is I think Uh, what he means by realistic violence in the in the video is more so violence that is like inflicted on characters Uh without more attention to like a storytelling Uh satisfaction, you know like a stray bullet versus one that's fired by the evil dark lord galore galath into the heroes weak spot or some shit like the difference that he would he would categorize them as is realistic for the a stray bullet to catch you versus uh sort of planned Uh satisfying narrative violence Okay, before we watch it. Am I supposed to like this guy or not like this guy? What am I supposed to do? Well, that's the fun. You can decide along the way Shut up day. You're supposed to be objective. You're supposed to go in being like, you know what I will treat this man fairly That's so much easier I like his other videos. That's all I'll make sure no one like hold your breath. This has to like it's a Video that has to upload and process and everything. So um Chat about some stuff while it's uh, you know, I don't know how many big gigs was it? Uh, how many big gigs? Uh, this is a I I do I went ahead and just downloaded it 720p instead of 1080p 75 megabytes It's 14 and a half minutes So it's checking right now and it's often just like however youtube feels and how long it takes to check copyright and stuff like that Oh, but is it? No, not yet. It's not it's not visible yet. It's still 18 or 19 percent checking. Well while we're waiting Look everybody the wonderful vinyl figures Wow, look at them go. They've checked them out. Look, he's spinning. Look at him. Wow Oh, man. Don't oh, what's that? There's another one. It's the dog. Oh chud. You picked these up, right? Look at them go. What a chat. Yeah, I've got I've got into my funko pop collection. Absolutely. You've had it You you bought like 10 of each, right? I think I've got a link. Yeah, I think fucking kibakin. Oh my gosh. Is he Yo, what an absolute fucking chat. How did he do it so quick? Wait, what's happened? Five minutes. He did it five minutes ago. I don't know how he managed to do it, but I got a link Let's see if it works. I think kibakin's the fucking chad Let me see Oh my god Yo, wait, did he do did he do a reupload? I like the tile by the way how realistic violence ruins movies flume He says I always pack up videos as you cover them What the fuck This is gonna be woke, isn't it? It's got a content warning I can tell already listen if it's woke. That's good because i'm tired of the anti-woke right chad That's how we met you were tired of anti-woke people Enough of those. Yes, that's true But now you're a part of the dark side I've become more racist. That's true I'm curious if you like lost many friendships at this point Pretty much all of them should be honest No, no, no, I haven't really lost that many friends. I mean true friendships look beyond political views, right? But a lot of the left-wing types don't hang out on me anymore because they're not the fact That you know, I speak my mind about things kind of drama. I don't know. They just don't like me anymore But it's all good. I'm having a great time I'm sure you found better and stronger friendships. Isn't that right? Yes, exactly. By the way, I just want to point out I don't know it's all about me like I always do but um, you know last time I was on I made a couple of jokes about racism and stuff I try to be clear I'm not like that racist If I say anything don't take it so seriously guys. I'm British. I know it's hard to understand sometimes But that's that's the thing, okay So yeah, it's all good of 10 on the racism scale With five being average racists Probably only like I mean we're probably all We're all pretty north of five out of 10. I would say generally, yeah I'm uh, I'd say I'm cosmic on the scale of racism Oh my goodness creation means I treat all of you with that's so Which is a good thing that is incredible racism being cosmically racist That's the only true equality Uh, this is not a cosmic well. I mean the video is uh, yeah We just got we just got dev being like oh just wait. Let me cook for a sec. Does that does that mean? Oh more food When he says let me let me cook for a sec. Do you think that means like it could be like seconds? What do you think he means like a fucking half an hour? You never know I say, you know, I say I'd say let him cook and we can we'll catch him up if he gets you Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. All right. E. Are you ready? Cw That's the really good channel with all the good superhero shows This video covers violence and death bluntly to better serve the points being made Sweet. We're ready. Do it. Yeah Violence and death are the spice of story of story I mean, it's not unrealistic when a dude just gets shot in a war film Or when one character just fights better than the other Because that's how real violence works The bullets don't care if you're only in the first act of your story or some narrative threads haven't been resolved yet I'm not going to whiz past you until hitting you would maximize the emotional weight of the situation And that's why virtually no violent stories try to mimic the actual qualities of violence because I know that's why no violent stories try to mimic the qualities of actual violence, which is not true Yeah, I'm definitely not with him on this one Fascinating as it would be to decide who lives and who dies via a dice roll Your narrative will lose its structure pretty pretty sure there are eyes to do it that way Um, I'm not sure I'd be able to name any but I I'm pretty sure that when it comes actually wait wasn't um You know like the call-ins or whatever for one of the deaths in like famous comics or shit? Didn't they oh you are you talking about uh I know that's not the same as a coin toss Robin But the fact that you would leave like you know, I mean like that's got to count towards that's that environment of choosing The death of a character There's got to be writers who flip coins in history when deciding on maybe one of two characters who get shot in a particular situation and then of course like That's not necessarily a bad way to do narrative. I don't like because like what's already baked into this is that they need a grand Thematically appropriate death Whatever what it's like. I mean, I don't know about you guys But I've seen plenty of films where characters are unceremoniously killed and it's very effective It happens. It definitely happens Well, we were bringing up a no country for old men earlier and That is a film is probably the one of the most famous for doing that Yeah And you know if it's kind of funny right because it's the it's self-fulfilling It'd be like the fact that it's anti-climactic is why there's Is value to it or something and you'd be like, oh, so if it was climactic, it wouldn't have meaning It's like no probably would have as well. So You know, I mean like There's so much to draw from any particular event when a character dies, but Is this about plot armor? Is that what they're basically getting at? I think that's actually about the opposite. Our armor is an adjacent. Yeah, it's Yeah, because he's like he's saying that um No writer would want their character to just get shot by a stray bullet because that would suck That would be lame. I don't want that It's like, well, also hi dev Oh, hello Good morning. I just rolled into bed We are now stacked 10 cast again if we count sleepy yaw We are And sleepy rags and sleepy mollions sleepy for me Yeah, I was going to talk about how tired I am but I assume you guys are also tired Yeah So no one cares about you dev. No one cares about you. Oh my god. It's not a big drama. Here we go. Wow You switch politics go Wow, we get you one You ran first adam Let's go Collecting them w two nothing Chudlock has dominated that debate. Hey, how's it going? Dev was crushed in the marketplace of ideas. Dev didn't stand a chance honestly. Oh god, he came back. Yeah Oh Pathetic All right, everyone in devs like I got out of bed for this dammit. I'm staying Yeah Here do you want to argue about chasing chud since you do that every single time. So anyway the video Trying stuff. Come on chasing chasing. What's chasing? Is that when you have like a Drinker, what's that? Don't worry about look go and we'll look at dev's twitter and that's chasing. Okay. There we go It says there are 12 people in the wash together, which means I assume everyone here is in there I don't know at this point a lot of people I see some buns in a row. Is that is that right where we stop? Well, in any case if you're not even getting because we're watching opinions That's what we do. Okay This won't make much sense to people who haven't seen or read game of thrones But imagine if rob stark just died in one of his many battles like georgia martin originally planned It's just like game of thrones on vhs He's it's an aesthetic. It's a style. Oh, I let this man exist in his own truth. Okay I like his aesthetic though. I have to be fair. Yeah, there you go. I don't it's like the worst I Think a lot of people you forget how shitty vhs quality was because it was all you had back then Yeah, for those of us who grew up with vhs going back and looking at vhs was like oof man It's a vibe. He's creating like going back to an old video game. It's like, uh, wasn't it always so Pixely and gross I suppose the funny thing is when you have the old memories you play the remaster and you're like this looks exactly the same It's like it doesn't Well, you remember that when consoles like the xbox 360 they started having hdmi ports when those came a thing And then you were like, oh my god. It's like, how could I ever not play with it? I remember I had a friend who was just like, yeah, it looks way better and I was just like, I mean come on I Had a blew my mind Yeah, I've still got a vcr hooked up just for some old tapes and stuff And I mean, yeah, it still looks okay depending on the tape Yeah, you can get some decent quality out of those tapes I agree if the effect also helps evade youtube copyright. I'm all for it. So Actually, hold on a second. Yeah that grind Yes Wow, you said already done with me. Yes Just just in a curiosity. How come you always do like the vhs aesthetic on your channel. Is that your thing too? It's poor. Well, that's my editor decay that does that. Um But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I kind of like it. I guess I'm quite old as well So, you know, it kind of fits in with my age, too Reminds of reminds us of a simpler time. Yeah Yeah, I kind of feel the same way too to be honest In a red game, I might steal it from you. I don't know Whoa, sure. I mean, it's like going to the video store, isn't it? You know, you go to blockbuster get a rental You know, it's you don't do that anymore. Do you remember how randy he bought a blockbuster? And then he lost his mind Talking to the ghost. Oh, yeah, randy's lost his mind Oh Also happy anniversary guys, thank you. Thank you five whole years of pausing array almost every frame Rob Stark just died in one of his many battles like George RR Martin originally planned Just like took a stray arrow to the face or got overwhelmed by the opposing that probably wouldn't be a stray arrow, but It's just I I know what he's imagining right It's like you're in the middle of a big epic battle and then all of a sudden Kits him in the head falls off his horse. He's dead and you were just not ready for that Yeah, it could be like a guy pulls back a bow and it focuses on him and the arrow goes and goes into his Versus like Yeah, versus you absolutely don't see it coming not even like yes as soon as it starts to play out Holy shit, I wasn't expecting this to happen But like so quick that you might not even realize it's happened which that doesn't happen often It certainly doesn't happen often. Well, it's just funny because uh, the first thought I have would listen to this Is like that sounds that sounds like game of thrones would do that exactly what would happen in game Yeah He doesn't mean I'm ceremonious He does die out of fucking nowhere Like that's true, but it's this is the thing we were talking about earlier about climactic versus anti-climactic, you know It's a very um, it's the end of the season Well, it's the ninth episode at 10 and it's it's a big event But I still agree completely. It's it's the kind of just like Ned's death It's just like what the fuck subversive. I think is the keyword It is not a death you expect to see in a tv show But it is a death that would happen if this was all running in a way that you know very much can come across realistic Die as you guys were talking out earlier with um that other fucking video Um that completely goes out the window later on in the show. Yes They subverted again Boss, I bet you thought you'd have realistic consequences. Well now you don't it's a version So there was um, I forget the name of it. I still can't think of it It's a fantasy novel series that came out in the 90s And it was basically the author basically novelized his um his friend's dnd campaign And and that you have truly random deaths because that's what happens in dnd, right? You just oh, he should have character died like to nobody out of nowhere But he left that in the in the story and the novel like the story of the novel series just seems kind of all over the place as a result You can see what happens to a story when truly random deaths happen and it doesn't it doesn't seem to be good for it Well, the idea of a death being truly random isn't like well, it's not truly random Generally, there's going to be like in the universe a reason for it It's just like availability of information to the audience and In terms of the stray bullet or the stray arrow all it would be appealing to is it's entirely possible that somebody could just get really unlucky And it just so happens to be a main character Because I mean it's it's kind of the point that was made before that you know in the real world The events that are playing out aren't playing out for maximal potency in terms of a narrative that's being viewed by an outsider It's just the things that happen Yep, and that stories are generally structured with those broader narrative objectives in mind a lot of the time that means characters Aren't dying unceremoniously like it's it's the ending or the second act low point It's not like completely out of nowhere Yeah, uh, just the premise of novelizing a dnd campaign I'm just imagining because you can accidentally kill other players in that game because the only dnd game I ever played I almost killed someone because I kept misrolling Magic magic missiles So I kept shooting them in the back of the head with my magic missile when I was Meaning to aim for the goblins and this was like right at the beginning of the campaign So I'm just imagining this novel where the adventurers that just you have this sorcerer And he just keeps hitting the other character in the back of the head with the magic missile while trying to aim for the goblin And that's how one of the characters dies. Like is the stuff like that happening in those novels stuff like that Um, I don't know. I don't think it was quite that bad. No But there's there's definitely like like a few. Oh shit in just a random encounter On the road someone someone important dies and it's like well there goes that character Well Um, they should they should try again, but with the even more retarded campaigns Like if I'm if I'm writing a story like this, there is going to be a big part in you know of my mind That's going to be like Do you want this to be satisfying to read? Right? You know, that doesn't mean you have to bend over backwards to make everything, you know, super cathartic But it's like you want people to enjoy this, you know, you probably wouldn't enjoy writing it So you don't have to do things that are you don't have to do things just because of the whole like As was seen with sitch versus Let's just say for the sake of the argument fringy in terms of the impression the no country for old men gave them It's like It's such a like the problem because what we're going to get with this video is of course He's going to give us a prescription. He's going to tell us what we should be doing when deciding how to kill characters Uh, I don't know if we're going to agree with it. We'll see but of course It seemed like sitch would say probably shouldn't do what they did in no country for old men Well, fringy would probably say you absolutely should be able to that's that's a totally viable option There's many battles like george r marten originally planned Just like took a stray arrow to the face or got overwhelmed by the opposing force and stabbed You know like so many people did in medieval times the audience would accept it I think you know because Because that's how war is and the ensuing drama within the narrative would be gut wrenching I'm sure but that's not the type of world marten shows to create Rob still dies, but it's because of his choices and the choices of other characters all behave so already It's like well, wouldn't it have been his choices that got him killed if he had died theoretically in that war where he Went into battle. He was in the front lines. He didn't wear a particular gear Like if he took an arrow to the face when his advisor was saying oh, robert You need to wear this bestie. And he's like I don't want to wear the bestie But it protects your face where the bestie is like no, I will not do it And he's I'm you can't make me I want to I want them to see the anger in my eyes when I charge them And then he gets fucking shot in the eyeball Wait, isn't it the bassinet? I don't know. Is it a bassinet really? That's for the french uncultured swine All right Well, that's a that's a really clever. That's a really clever Joke there moller to call the often the pig-faced bassinet to to say that It was this very clever that you were able to work that subtly in there. Wow fantastic work. I'm glad I'm appreciated by somebody Yeah, but ultimately yeah, like putting yourself in a very dangerous position Where you're going to be charging the enemy who are probably going to be shooting a lot of pointy sticks at you I mean, it's dangerous things when he dies in there. It's not like What is the fair counter that one might expect and it might be yeah, but that's more of like a broad choice This is more of a specific cause and effect choice to get some killed in the red wedding Because he essentially went back on a deal. He struck with the phrase You marry one of his daughters and instead married someone he loved Knowing that that's going to cause significant political issues and it actually gets him killed as well as his it's You know, it's certainly more complex Right. Yeah, there's a certain it gives the it gives the feeling that it's more intentional and Like constructed instead of yep He went into battle and he was up front leading the charge and as a result he got killed and died in battle And uh, yeah, so which is pretty fine perfectly fine I didn't have itself, you know, but uh, you can always spice it up with more details Like, you know, why did he know what I think he should have Why did he insist on being at the front of the charge also? There's all sorts of stuff you can spice it up I'd say it's a failure as well on the script to just not To draw the line between those two kinds of deaths as one has his choices and one doesn't it would be a mistake Like you need to be more clear about what you mean if you're going to say it like that Having according to their respective traits like going into got season 3 episode 9 We know that rob was raised on honor and principles and that he's just left the nest Even if he did know who his true enemies were he wouldn't expect them to break a sacred custom in order to win I mean it barely even feels like a writing choice to whack him The character traits that led to this were planted at the start and they inevitably brought us to this shocking moment of narrative Combustion it's infinitely more satisfying than rob dying in battle Would that be unrealistic? No, but there's only so much drama you can but remember there's also plenty of Ways that you can construct him dying in battle or a character dying. Yeah, that is more You know far better than them being stat like for instance patin patin died in a car crash after the war Like that's not very narratively satisfying You know if he went out at a blaze of glory charging against you He's like bleeding out last caraw. You'll see they're like this is a very narratively Yeah Can ring out of it's Can ring out of it's war people die and if that wasn't enough martin goes out of his way to make sure Fights don't end like they do in real life given ned and jamie's established traits Their duel in season one was always going to happen. They're in the same place at the same time They have gratuitous beef as a writer martin. Okay, so I don't even think that's necessarily true Jamie attacking him here could or could not have happened You could easily for those who don't know the context is the tyrian's been captured at this point Jamie knows that and jamie's fucking furious because you shouldn't do that to lanus's ever and so he attacks ned here Now gliders, correct me if i'm wrong, but he was more than happy to kill ned here It's just that he can't because he He can't kill him like it would be like a dishonorable kill if he gets him after someone else crippled him, right? Um, it's either that that stopped him or just knowing well, I can get away with doing this almost But if I killed him that that is like let's go to war right this fucking moment I can't remember how they say it in the book, but obviously in the show He says to tywin that he didn't kill him because it wouldn't have been clean And I assume he was referring to the fact that yeah the that scene with the stag corpse So yeah, the uh, I don't buy the idea that there's no way you could have written it so that jamie didn't attack him here, but simultaneously Uh, you know, you can go you can go a couple ways with some character choices So I already don't don't agree, but we'll carry on pardon couldn't escape the inevitability of this fight where one character would Logically kill the others. So what does he do? He makes up some random bullshit to stop the fight That's not random bullshit. Uh, if you watch the fight Jamie's not dominating Um, yeah, they're pretty even which is uh, you know a part of this Um as far this is stretching my game of thrones knowledge, but from what I remember Ned is a pretty damn good fighter, but he's not gonna be as good as jamie lannister The only thing is is that ned doesn't fight in tournaments, right? And Uh, does he is he so many says or is it something we learn that part of that reason is he doesn't want people to know How he can fight Yeah, um at the face in winter fell in the first episode. Jamie's like, oh man, I want to fight you It'll be fun to fight you and then it's like you don't want to fight me So, um, I'm not gonna show you what I can sorry. There's so an important I need to point about this video that no one's not noticed yet. Okay. Yeah It's called how realistic violence ruins movies and it's about game of thrones so far, which isn't a movie Oh, that's true Yeah, you're right. That should probably be stories not movies. Yeah Yeah It's an important language culturally speaking that you should be familiar with if you want to avoid looking bigoted I'm just gonna say that so Um Yes So so did you read the game of thrones books? I read up to dance with dragons. I think But that was a while ago now. So my memory is spotty on them. I wouldn't mind rereading them soon. I think Do you recall how this fight went in the first book the horse falls on ned, right? That's why His legs fucked up by it. I don't think he's stabbed by a spearman or whatever Yeah, however also for a good chunk of the fight ned is just outclassed by jamey Well, so wait, hang on. I didn't get to finish my thought on that. What I was trying to say Was that um in this scene if you're watching it jamey thinks that he can basically dominate ned and I think everyone believes that That's the case ned gets like a pretty good fight with him Because of the fact that he like I'd say that's a justification that he is a good fighter and nobody's seen him fight So it was like a surprise to jamey. I think that's how it comes across in their fight And you can argue that the guy with the spear is like I don't want to even come close to risking jamey getting hurt And so it takes the initiative to stab ned in the back or back of the thigh, whatever And jamey's fucking furious at that. It's like you just stole my victory. I could have killed ned But now you fucked it all up That's what I believe happened and this guy's describing it as we had to stop them fighting because of course ned would lose So we invent some bullshit like a guy stabbing in the back of the thigh I feel like they gave reason for it The ned performed better than most people ever would have expected, but he wasn't going to win But the guy like got worried enough that he decided to protect jamey, which was unnecessary and embarrassing for jamey Okay, so what What excuse that the fight ends is more of an ass pull then is that he gets stabbed, you know In the back of the leg or is it the horse falls on him? Wait, sorry. You asked can you ask that again? So If I understand the movie is saying that like the way the fight ends basically They just had to make something up because otherwise ned dies here. Yeah But um, so What what is what is the better excuse that you get stabbed in the back of the leg by One of the soldiers or that his horse falls on him. So here's the thing I don't think you need much of an excuse for jamey to not kill ned here Ned is incredibly important politically like killing him would be huge in terms of a political move Like I can buy that jamey wouldn't want to kill him at the same time I don't think there's anything wrong with the fight breaks out and the horse gets scared or hurt and falls on him and Hurts his leg to the point where jamey doesn't want to kill him because he feels like executing a fallen man It's just fucked up honorably wise, especially ned stock or that this soldier feels protective over jamey and It's him in the back of the thigh when the fight isn't going perfectly well, you know, I I think all of those are fine I don't have any issue with them. I don't consider them ass poles Okay I think I prefer like with just with my limited knowledge from what I've heard I think I prefer the soldier taking some level of initiative Uh, I think that just to me seems more satisfying than the the quasi Uh randomness of the sword just happening to Fall on them or you know, that sort of thing that sounds of those two. I think I prefer that one I mean, who is this guy? Why would he do that in the books? It was a horse accident, but either way Martin, like I said, I think if you watch the scene the clues are there for why this happened Why would why would the horse fall? We've just shifted it to why why would this happen to why did that happen? However, you Fucking write this the the writer is still puppeteering all of it Of course, like so it's it's weird to call it an ass pole All that the horse is better when ultimately it's still the writer pulling the strings and all of it You you've essentially even like opened up a window as you've closed this door and like well that what what was the soldier thinking? Why would he think that what is jamie's reaction to it? How does he deal with the soldier? What does this create? You know that I feel like that creates a lot more options other than what we're going to do about this horse Is like I guess move it over there I suppose honestly, I'm just, you know, not as many options I was like blanked on this but someone just said like well, isn't it obvious why they did it this way? It's like yeah, this is way easier to film obviously. Yeah Yeah Is stepping in and saying no no no, that's not how people die in this story I'm not just gonna kill a character because the other guy had a good move By kill a character. It's gonna be for character driven reasons People die in Game of Thrones because the other character had a good move a lot I don't know why he's saying it like George doesn't write that way. He definitely does So that brings me to example number two the suicide squad I enjoyed it for the most part But I want to talk about one scene that really sticks out to me as a missed opportunity Okay, it's like correct or not. You should have even enjoyed it or not I enjoyed it so I also enjoyed it Yeah, it's fine for people to enjoy things the suicide squad has a lot of problems But it also does a lot of things great. So, you know, that's uh, it's fine to enjoy it Did you enjoy it shadow? Have you not seen it? I think I'll watch the first 30 minutes in federal sleep. So if that speaks to yourself, isn't it? Oh, wow. Uh, were you really sleepy that day though? Certainly says something Have you have you eaten? Were you malnutrition? To be honest a bit about it seemed fine You know, I I need plenty of torture all of it, but The original was a bit of a mixed bag. I don't know. I'll watch it and let you know, okay The original The original name of major flaw. So this character is named rick flag He is a long time military dude who puts his life on the line every day to support America's interests But in the third act of the film rick uncovers a dark secret about the u.s. Government He feels betrayed and decides to leak that secret to the u.s media Great now it's been spoiled This is actually good so that you guys will be able to give input on this because he's he's giving you all the background John Cena's character peacemaker points a gun at rick's chest and peacemaker was established earlier as a By any means american loyalist type. He reveals that the government tasked him with keeping the information secret and based on his Characterizations and ricks. We understand the situation to be plausible. So This is it You know peacemaker has this choice to make it's kill rick or don't kill rick And this choice will have massive consequences going forward. So What happens is he just playing the whole scene here? I should probably put the cover out Don't be worried. I'm not sure it feels like there wasn't The ceiling collapses on them so You must be thinking this is to facilitate rick's survival or at least I was thinking that Righted director james gun knew there was no way out for rick. So he solved the problem with some random bullshit happening No, there's a whole that's not random. It wasn't random. Yeah, it wasn't random going around Very big reason that happens The two teams The people who don't know for some reason why he's left this out two teams two missions one at the top of the tower One at the bottom the top setting explosives they go off So It feels like he's doing that just to justify his narrative for this video That seems like a complete bullshit to me. You'd be correct because he's annoyed I assume you guys have picked up enough pieces to know what the criticism is going to be At least people who've seen this film Um, you know, I said like characters shouldn't be killing each other because one of them had a good move It should be like character driven deaths or something Now, you know how the scene a lot of people know how the scene between these two ends and so he's already annoyed that um The falling building pieces didn't save one of them It just kind of delayed it into the point of them having a fight Which I have no issue with at all and it feels like he's trying to find an issue with it I don't know why I don't think he's got anything because immediately after the ceiling falls mentioned the rest of it You know, so remember it It separates the two from everyone else so that when they have the resolution of the fight no one else can like that's actually a fair Yes to point out. Yeah Yeah, and um, and like I said the explosion was not random that shit was on a timer It was gonna happen They could get up and start fighting and it's very entertaining Well, sorry not at necessary what I mean on a timer I mean narratively because what sets it off is uh polka dot man, right because he's he's uh defending them against different soldiers And some of his polka dots go into the explosives and set them off. I think that's how it happened Something like that. Yeah, and then I would need to rewatch. I'm not 100% sure Peacemaker kills rick with a shard of debris Why? Because he fought better. He had a good move Yeah, the fact these two are pretty closely matched Yeah, it was really. Yeah, it was it was quite a fight. It was quite a fight So you still got your resolution then the one that you liked. So what's the problem? Let's see. Let's see And also like how does he think fights are like decided You know, I remember the beginning of the video He said that a fight could be decided just because one person was slightly better at fighting than the other guy Yeah, but let's see. He's clearly got issues with this. So we have to find out what they are And and having a better move. How is that related to realistic violence? Which is just I mean in well, I mean if you've got two people fighting if one person wins Like a better move. That's a that's a reason why they might win. Yeah One person having a better move. Yeah. Yeah, what what what what he means that dichotomy What he what he means is that if if uh, you know, bob and bill are fighting each other Bob doesn't win because he's the protagonist of his life. He's gonna win because he has a better move That's more that's more realistic. Yeah. Yeah, but I I think james good did this for story reasons Well, we'll get we'll get into that we ought to let him say it's not first Okay, okay pills rick with a shard of debris Why? Because he fought better. He had a good move This plot beat on paper is exactly the same as it would have been if the ceiling hadn't fallen But no, we just had to do this cool fight scene even if it liquefied any sense of character agency Fights to the death liquefied any sense of character agency The fight to the death liquefies character agency. That's what's good problems No, both of them are fighting to the death because of their character. It is yeah, this By the way a peacemaker gives him the out several times of like just give me the fucking thing This is the thing this is this is like a really strong payoff in this film. It's great in terms of character Yeah, because I think he said the rest of roof explosion though That's what he means the roof explosion is what liquefies character agency still a stupid point Well, because it doesn't The event the event happens, but then they make choices because of that event the agency is still intact When we have um before the explosion we have peacemaker's got the gun on him He has you know time is ticking on terms of like give me the thing or I shoot you The the roof falling down equalizes them neither of them has a gun on the other now So now it's all about what they're going to do next and the other thing to consider as well It's interesting about it is peacemaker Absolutely does not want to kill rick rick is disgusted by peacemaker He's like a corruption of everything that he believes america's supposed to stand for These things are very important for those characters in this scene and for what's going to happen going forward, of course Aren't real drama You're only on the edge of your seat because the real drama happened earlier and now you're attached to the characters Now sometimes what happens is the action scene play out and it will be entertaining But the resolution of the fight will be grounded in a character choice Which is fine like obern and the mountain have their fight No, I don't I mean the resolution is grounded in a character choice, which is peacemaker decides to kill rick Yeah, and well and a key piece of information I think is that rick is like throttling him right and he's like yeah fucking staring into his soul doing it He's not even looking at the idea that he doesn't mind his surroundings. You could say Yes, that's how into it. That's how obsessive is to try and end peacemaker's life and peacemaker very regrettably decides I have to end yours Chooses to antagonize tywin and taunt the mountain instead of killing him and the mountain takes a yeah And you can argue that the mountain wins there because of a good move Yeah This is what I mean it depends on how you want to draw these lines because I think these are very arbitrary at this point Yeah, and you can know speaking of the arbitrariness you could also make an argument for just the For just stabbing the guy and then taunting the corpse rather than the other way around, right? It's the easy answer. Oh, sorry guy. It's just yeah, it's just arbitrary. Yeah, it doesn't feel like there's a good point He's trying to make I feel like the easy answer in the end is just gonna be Oh, it's probably more satisfying if you have like one on one fight and somebody dies instead of someone Randomly dying on the battlefield without any hurrah. Is that just all it's gonna be right now? He's being critical of a one-on-one fight between peacemaker and Is it is it not also? Yeah, you're right Like a matter of character that the mountain has a better move. It's a yeah, absolutely in itself is That's what I was trying to say with peacemaker and strange rick flag rick flag is so obsessed with killing Peacemaker he's not taking into account the situation You can't just strangle him and hope that he doesn't use his arms to do anything else Peacemaker is desperately struggling to find anything to work with he realizes what he has and in that moment He fucking goes for his heart and what does he do straight after he looks like he's filled with regret It's it's a character choice. It's a desperate one It's made because this is what I mean like there's so much going on and it feels like we're getting reduced to Good move, which is like, I mean, okay advantage of this Now if I were james gun, I would have just had peacemaker execute flag before the ceiling fell because he had the jump on him And it was a clear choice. So I don't I don't think that matches his character. He doesn't want to kill rick flag Yeah, he's very hesitant. He really doesn't want to kill rick flag He respects him you could shoot him right there if you wanted to you could let you just shoot him If you really wanted to kill him, couldn't he? Well, that's that's how you derive character It's like why didn't he's like he doesn't want to he's very clear about that And so it's like yeah, but you yeah still and it's like, okay But that's the point of the scene is that he's brought to his limit. He has to kill rick flag by the end of this fight If he wants to live To be made but if the studio forced me to have a fight scene I would Lead the fight to a place where one of the two characters has to choose between his mission or his life And I would let that choice play out. That is what happens. Yeah Both of them decide that both of them that they both make and so they they clash into each other They're both basically making the same choice. So they have to fight That's the only way you're gonna resolve things. Oh, yeah, dude. The lead into the fight It's this is such a weird observation Little king just posted the uh, the quote don't make me kill a hero like you said, please Wait, yeah Yeah, and yeah, this movie masquerades is an anyone can die a movie But that's only for the first act after that opening battle where jai kourtney gets helicoptered Our main characters are locked in and those bullets knives tentacles, whatever. No, no, no The only one that's locked in is maga robbie. She's the only one that was protected in that whole movie Anyone could have died at any point. Yeah, true. Yeah, anyone could have died The people did die, polka dot man died, rick flag died, peacemaker made well Peacemaker mostly died Until he wasn't yeah, no, I don't buy that I've seen this criticism everywhere for suicide So I was like the only time they actually killed people was the opening. It's like nope. They killed people after that too They all miss until the right time and to me also, what do you mean? They only kill them at the right time? That's What They don't die except at the right time after that opening battle where jai kourtney gets helicoptered Our main characters are locked in and those bullets knives tentacles, whatever They all miss until the right time and to me during they all miss until the right time I'm surprised nobody else finds that egregious in terms of a point Like that's just such a strange statement How can you say they're all invincible except when they're not except when they're not exactly they it happens eventually Yeah, they they don't die until they do yes You can't structure a script with conventional drama, but also pick and choose which characters die because of random chaos and when There's reason behind their death. It's not random I mean there's there's always going to be reason because characters are making choices It's not just factors outside of their control. It's both. I mean choice and things would be on them Yeah, polka dot man died because of the other fighting staro here Their friend died because he was hit by bullets when there was the gunfight in the facility If we could say as well I would argue polka dot man dies for the same reason he drew the courage to try and defeat staro He pictured it as his mum attacked it felt glorious to the fact that he finally stood up to it It wasn't paying attention got killed You know like that's character driven Yep, definitely I would pay to see a version of this script where james got literally decided each character's fate in each battle with a coin flip Why no, but that's not how it works. That's not how the world works The world doesn't actually work with a coin flip like what do you think that if you have Let these is the vietnam war is an example, right? The do you think that it was just a coin flip as to which side would win in a battle? I mean when you have one side that has a just a much much higher kill death ratio over the other side It wasn't because of coin flips. There's reason why fights are won There's a reason why fights are lost like the these it's not actually random. Sometimes it can seem that way But it's not actually random. Yeah, we've talked to this before. It's like how much information you're actually Aware of if someone got randomly poisoned versus we saw someone poison their drink, you know, I mean like oh I see how that happened versus what they randomly got poisoned The coin flips like you know like I said earlier you could write it that way But I imagine most writers are still going to want to try and build story around the coin flips result I don't see why you would think that's better for the suicide squad though And he forced himself to build the story around that But instead this property and most others don't implement random chaos until it suits their pre-planned emotional roadmap Wow, he said that was such bitterness What if it came out that that is what he did? Yeah, so fucking what? Also, I feel like that's what writing stories is you take chaos and you try and mold it into something There's nothing wrong with looking at it that way and if he's like Yeah, but you didn't implement true random chaos because aliens didn't randomly come down and abduct Holly Quinn that should be a possibility right and it's like um Why don't you write that story man? You go right. I should have done that in shawshank redemption. Yes I'm like pick a lane, you know the bad guys can't just miss until you feel a particular character has reached a good stopping point And I so when that character does get hit it would probably be a good idea to put them in a situation Where maybe they don't have access to cover. Maybe they get ambushed. Maybe the people shooting have really good equipment Maybe they're well-trained There's a million different things you could do to make it more believable why a character dies here Instead of just randomly someplace else because you don't really want to move your characters just randomly die That would just be insanely unsatisfying and I just wouldn't watch that make it makes no sense I'm like, oh people just dropped dead randomly. I just I'm I just I have better things to do if you don't give a shit and you're just going to make everything random I'm going to go do something else Well, there's some movies where the main character dies at the start Like psycho is a good example right where the main character dies The supposed main character does quite quickly and that's quite interesting as like a one-off But if like every other movie because of the coin flip thing The main star dies at the start. Yeah, yeah, this is fucking stupid. I've come to watch that person and he's dead now It's almost like the difference between a super ordered story A chaotic story that's trying to be ordered and then pure chaos Nobody would like pure chaos where it's just like everything is coin flips It's like does the character even walk through this door coin flip? Yes Emotionally exhausting like every time something happens you flip a coin to see if a character dies It's like I just can't deal with this all the time. Geez Yeah Say the flag death scene is irritating as opposed to implausible or ridiculous because I can't really take points off for it Nothing. Yeah, because it's all cool. It's an effect. It's gonna be difficult to criticize it I could only give it points It only makes the film better because it works not just logically but in terms of the characters It's a really good beat. It's really sad And the big thing about it is you made me care about a character. I couldn't give less of a fuck about in the previous film So good job Absolutely He's gonna try if nobody is acting out of character I can't tear it apart on any logical level And if you tell me this wasn't an issue for you then, you know, that's that's fine I can't refuse. There's no issue to be had. You have to find a logical reason to not like this and yet Well, I can give you logical reasons to like it. He's gonna give us something I'm sure of it that you're not wrong wrong And maybe it would have been a little off-putting if Rick just got That's really not the way this genre works, but personally, I think it's not I don't think that's the answer to that question Like why didn't he get executed? It's like it wouldn't be in peacemaker's character. That's why It's not about the genre. Yeah Yeah, but again genre is descriptive. It's it's not how it works Well, I'm fucking polka dot man got flattened in a heartbeat like the what that that's that's within the genre limits Is it I don't know how's that work? How is that different? Is so cheap to build a character with choices and then kill that character because whoopsie the other guy just did better fight moves Now I can already see in him just did better fight moves is very character made choices throughout the life that made them have those better moves That's actually yeah, and also like if we can't use if we can't use Um one character winning because of better fight moves. I mean like how do we like what about cloud city? You know like is just like vader won because he was literally the better You know Oldman lightsaber fighter, right? He that he was new luke was never going to win that if luke won that it'd be like you have to explain How it's possible that luke won And it was because vader had the better moves is as simple as that Well, what's weird there is he gave Between two vastly differently skilled Combatants like if the one with the low skill one you have to come up with a reason to justify it Objection coming which is what about rocky and other sports movies aren't those built around fight scenes? And yeah, they are but they're established variables that inform the outcome of the fight Like rocky has to train to become the champion when he stops Yeah peacemaker and rick flags training comes into their fighting their motivations comes into their fighting It's so weird how he's like Yeah, like just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it's not there and that you can't gleam it Yeah, it's you cannot separate the training from the moves like what what do you think the moves come from it's You know, they could be a nature of like one person is more willing to you know Use certain moves Like the easy one in a fight would be I don't know somebody fights dirty like to get the upper hand or in an underhand way Or you know, they ask not the enemy right rather than just beating them in a like a fist fight. They trick them All all kinds of variables Training he loses his edge. Oh look another guy is training while rocky slacks off You know, I wonder what will happen. There's a clear emphasis put on the mental component as well in sports movies The good guys have to clear your mental and emotional hurdles if they want to succeed Those hurdles are well defined and they're often laid out at the beginning of the film And remember the titans for example the characters overcoming their biases is explicitly tied to their success as a team A clear line of cause and effect is established. Yeah, but by the way, that's not just mental That's you being able to work as a team that has a tactical advantage That is essentially the same as having better moves than the other team Also, there would be a potential alternative where way more of the film is about specifically peacemaker and rick flags like, you know Conflict and the we have a huge explosive finale scene. It's all about their fight There's way more to it and stuff. It's like maybe in uh that timeline that would be better But you know, there's other things going on in the film and what they did for what they had I think was Easily strong enough for the payoff they were trying to achieve because he's describing like films that are all about these Like rocky is like all about the fucking rocky fights, of course That this film he's referencing now. It sounds like that's what all the film is about Peacemaker and rick flags conflict is a portion of the suicide squad story. It's an ensemble movie. Yeah To unify means failing to perform Another argument against this might be the fact that fighting isn't just random chaos It's a skill that involves rapid fire decision making. Yeah, which I would say yes However, those decisions rarely have which by the way as we discussed earlier in this uh in this anniversary Is part of training. It prepares you to be able to make those decisions too. Well, what's it? What's uh, what's the however? What's the caveat? It's this might be the fact that fighting isn't just random chaos. It's a skill that involves rapid fire decision making To which I would say yes However, those decisions rarely have anything to do with the character Like unless a specific fighting technique was tied to a character's arc and meant more in the grand scheme It's just not true the even the motive to pull the trigger or to swing the sword is Is so important to this uh, this is interesting, right? Because what's happening in this scene is that uh blood sports losing more and more and more of his uh nanotech As the fight goes on his choices are being reduced his options and this interesting to see what choices he makes Well, yeah, he What happens soon after this is he desperately wrestles away from them to protect uh rat catcher That's right character Of the story it's not a word. It's funny because there's enough character happening here And it's just him versus a zombie set, you know, it's not even him versus another significant character Device with which to end another because I fucking love the the standoff He has with peacemaker both of them the hyper accurate this the setup earlier with the whole idea what he does but better and uh You know the nanotech bullets being stronger than what peacemaker has sort of thing You know the fact that the bullets hit each other exactly as a Uh contrivance of course, but you know, there's still plenty of characters to draw out of that Characters arc or to further the plot really in any way This is a nothing beat narratively speaking. It is off the rails Both characters are at the mercy of the writer when they should have been at the mercy of of cause Just wait a second. Just wait a second. Okay Listen, like I this is not exactly what you guys talking about. This is a little bit different Um, this background music that this guy's using for his fucking video. I feel like it's melting my brain It does feel um, it feels subliminal like it would be in a clockwork orange type This is like if you put in a vhs, but it was slowed down to like 15 percent Like why did he choose this for his video? Why like he he must have thought thought this was a good idea at some point Why I'm sure he did. Yeah, a couple people said apparently it's the do know st Is it is it? The old one, right? It should have stated The old one, right? Presumably. Yeah, I have no idea It doesn't sound like anything from the new one, but we need to rewind. There was a statement there The plot really in any way This is a nothing beat Narratively speaking it is off the rails both characters are at the mercy of the writer When they should have been at the mercy of of causality and their own. How is it off the rails? Yeah, this is causality Because the conflict in the first place the fact that these two are at odds is causality. It's maybe he's referring flag Okay, maybe he's referring to the fact that this could There's no reason why Rick flag couldn't have hit peacemaker in such a way that he's delirious for a second And then he gets the you know next lit on him and he kills him Like the idea either one of them could theoretically have won this fight the writer decided It would be Rick that would die, but I would still push back and say like they justified it properly Yeah, like either one of them could have won but Peacemaker did win and there's a reason yeah, and I don't know There is no just like the Ned Stark Jamie thing. There is no solution That isn't the writer still pulling the strings Ultimately, they're always going to be at the mercy the point is are you getting pulled out of the experience? You very very very aware That the writer is is you know that you've been pulled out of the story. You see it for what it is You see the strings rather than this being a Beat that you can buy into Sometimes I wonder if If you took like a history book, but you didn't tell anyone it was actually history And you just like took all the events turned it into a screenplay handed to someone And everyone's like, oh, how come Balon of Evelyn or whatever how come they won this sword fight against you know Charles the chuffed or whatever and it was well because you know He was able to he was the better swordsman he trained longer and everything I like oh that shit, you know Yeah, I was surprised. It's actually history. That's what happened. They'd be like, oh, I mean This is an instance where obviously rick flag dying here and peacemaker making that choice is incredibly potent Well, you know like um He used the mountain and obron as an example of like how to do it properly The idea is the the mountains defeated obron is taunting And he doesn't realize he gets too close to the body He grabs him and punches his face the point of like crushing his skull So he's like you see that's character and it's like that's still not like I can still argue That's the the the writer pulled the strings. He could have stayed a meter away from the body He could have the writer pushed him close enough to get killed Exactly because the writer is always the writers pulling the strings. Yeah The character. Yeah, I mean, I guess I understand the idea of in spirit that A writer can recognize that a character has reached a place that logically means that this should happen Like I get that in spirit of uh an instance where they're not at the mercy of the writer But even then the writer's always going to be making the choice as to yeah, and like I said Do I go for this payoff or do I go for this payoff? Do I like And and writers have to make those choices They have to because they're creating the sequence to achieve some kind of objective Thematically in terms of character and in this case, we've got a payoff that relies on peacemaker lives and kills rick flag And also I think We got to think about what this kind of line of thinking disqualifies from storytelling Why would a character in your start why why ever train? What's the point of ever practicing combat practicing marksmanship working on you know discipline You know being familiar with your equipment. Why would you ever do anything? Because that just means you're going to win because you have better moves And So why bother this is kind of this kind of goes into the the you know the storm troopers being shit thing Like storm troopers are like professional soldiers with you know rifles and equipment They should be you know good at shooting people And they never are inexplicably right and that's a problem when a lot of the times they should be Winning because in essence they have the better moves um I I don't want to take I don't want to devalue this idea of a character and a work of fiction Training and practicing and having better equipment and things of that nature because these are elements of the plot And these enable characters to do things um Yeah, and when they This closely matched I'm okay with the writer making the decision and in this case as far as I'm concerned They both get really good hits on each other eventually to the point with a wrestle to the ground Rick thinks he's got him if he can just you know choke him out Very you've seen the shot a couple of times in this video. He seems um like he's seeing red Like and and we know that rick would be because he believes that this is the only chance to essentially save america's soul by Exposing what's been done by the government peacemaker is going to be a corrupt disgusting piece of shit that's going to try and stop him and he's now trying to kill him So this is his one chance and he's been stabbed He's uh, he's got to take it you've got to kill him and his focus is so hard core on peacemaker He doesn't see that his arms are free He's picking up something sharp and then it goes straight into his heart Which is exactly where peacemaker would stab if he wanted to save his own life I mean like one of them's got to win Exactly either way. It's like one of them has to win to explain how they want It doesn't make sense your objectives more as a writer and can you justify it? Because you're not really going to be flipping coins if like if peacemaker had to fight rat catcher You know like you're not just going to flip a coin on who went who wins I mean the peacemaker is You're going to destroy her you have to come up with a reason how she's able to win if she does or if she escapes Is that what he's asking for it feels like he's asking for something really stupid like he genuinely wants the coin flip Is that genuinely what this guy wants? I think we're gonna hear what he wants. That's an alternative I don't I don't think this guy just needs to play d&d But even that isn't like a coin flip really Yeah, I mean there is someone pulling the strings making character based decisions leading the world down a narratively satisfying You're positioning your character. You're you know, like I'm not just going to do random things into random coins Like yeah, there's an element of randomness, but you can control for the randomness in a sense You can that's a bit like life in certain ways and Yeah, some things are out of my control, you know and plus d&d is like the the rolling system of d&d is essentially and is that Is an abstraction of a million little bitty things That have to be put it made into a game mechanic. It's like hit points or anything like that, right? Um, okay, listen guys, I'm sorry to go half-way through the video, but um, I've got I'll go and do my own stream now It's okay. We appreciate your job. There's drama to farm. Isn't there chad? We Emma there is Anyway, listen, sorry. I'm not saying that to you know, vote myself. I want you guys to have a good stream five years Great stuff. Good shit. I'm glad Thanks for popping in Pleasure Fine Someone in chat said the writer could easily have just not had that thing available next to him from to reach and stab rick with He's like, yeah, that's that's the point. We've been making this whole time the writer controls all of these elements So that means if you if the writer wanted to have peacemaker win that fight, he would have needed an alternative to that The way that he chose was logical make sense. Yeah, that's what we want We don't want peacemaker to go alakazam and then rick's head explodes. We'd be like, what the fuck Oh And it's like what what difference does it make the writer decided one wins? It's like that's not No, that's not good enough. No, it's just not good enough The idea that there's a shard of porcelain or whatever material it is in the bathroom after they've smashed the shit out of it Or whatever room that is it's just like, yeah, I can believe there's something on the ground. He can use as a weapon. Yes Own arcs which are coming as aliens invading It's just as chaotic An end james gun could have ridden rick catches the blade and stabs peacemaker Or he could have ridden it misses and goes into his shoulder and I'd be saying the exact same thing right now Yep, or you could write it so that he very Aggressively taunts someone and then gets his head exploded by a big man punching it like these are all the writer's control Is he just saying fights cannot be the the victor of a fight cannot be determined by Combat like combat skill because that's madness. It's unclear exactly this one This is my primary issue with him. Is that the line is unclear Like like we said the mountain and obron that he gives that a tick that's good Ned stock I think he's he's given he's approving of that death He does not approve of this one He does approve of rob stock dying in red wedding and it's like, what does that tell you then? It's like it's confusing really. I'm not entirely sure exactly what he wants Because you're ringing these massive Uh narrative payoffs out of nothing nothing, but out of nothing. How is this out of nothing? Oh Why do you think these two characters are able to essentially go toe to toe? Why isn't even a possibility that peacemaker could kill rick flag? Why is that even possible if not for reasons? That stem from character that had been built up over the course of the film Yeah, if it was a 12 year old girl against peacemaker, it's like well The little girl's not going to win. It's just like It would be a miracle if she did and you would have to explain it Like it would it would be nonsense. It'd be madness. Of course peacemaker is and why was a well pretty obvious reasons. Why? Yeah, and these these two are equal opposites so to speak And the You know the the potency of him actually getting the killing stroke on him here is There's so much to draw out of it for him as a character as well Yep Your desire to kill one character or another A sentiment I hear a lot is that good films make you care about the characters before putting them in harm's way And now the action means something because you want them to win and that's true But that's not the whole truth great rewatchable action films Don't just leave the drama at the door as soon as the action starts They let the drama inform the action If I Please don't fight between peace caper and rick flag. He's a peace caper. Listen. I have peace caper He said he said great films great films as soon as that Movie showed up. Yeah, I was about to say did you just put fucking pirates three as an example of like films that do this properly? That's interesting Anything properly really I mean most people do say they like that final action scene. I'm gonna say I like it too I can't remember how good it is, but it's fun As for whether or not it does this properly whatever this is Exactly that he's talking about the whole trip. Maybe great rewatchable action films Don't just leave the drama at the door as soon as the action starts They let the drama inform the act dude It's actually hard for me to off the top of my head pick a drama Or an action scene that doesn't have any drama from character in it But it doesn't have any drama from character. I guess wow john wick right a lot of the ones in john wick is just him Oh, yeah, they're just empty. I think that's as close as you'll get Yeah, because it's just a bunch of nameless people who are motivated I guess by money and then he's motivated by survival and it's like all right Yeah, it's it's as basic as you can get But most anytime there's named characters on action scene, right? Like john versus uh The the guy from it man A lot of the old kung fu movies from back in the day have that too where it's just fighting Just a bunch of fights and because the spectacle was that they could actually fight right like in the 60s and 70s Well, yeah, sure. Um, and this kind of comes back to a little bit of what schnee was talking about the previous video The uh, it'll make these things more potent when you care more So but like this is the thing the separation is confusing And are we actually saying like the problem that the suicide squad had was it didn't model itself well after something like pirates 3 Like can you please give me more of an explanation right now Action if I were in the theater watching the return of the king in 2004 and some sweaty dude next to me leaned over and said They win I wouldn't throw my hands up in the air the dog The question of who would win was never the reason I cared Because the action in that film wasn't just a break free drama. It was the drama heavily stylized Yes, but ultimately built on a series of character payoffs that were satisfying both independently and collectively But all of this makes sense everything that we see here makes sense. Why are they here? How come these people are involved personally it all like makes sense. This was all set up I mean, this is the logic that is essentially it's the same logic as who wins in a fight They're the better fighter because of reasons that led them to become skilled with generally involving training Why can't I describe the fight between rick flag and peacemaker as drama stylized as action? Don't know Very confused video. I can and I will Yeah, that's what kept audiences coming back That's how it broke the stereotype of so-called action movies failing at the oscars And on the subject of action films at the oscars. Let's talk about black panther You could argue that what the child learns and accepts gives him the tools to win the rematch against killmonger But you'd be writing the film for ryan coogler In reality this script is nothing to connect to child's inner conflict to his fighting ability They're two completely separate things. Um, you could easily argue that black panther wins here or to child wins here because he embodies wakanda's like Fundamentals a lot more than killmonger does he's even more familiar with the technology And he got the timing right on these this facility, which he's much more familiar with You can easily argue that him being a homegrown like fully familiar wakandan Is why he was able to defeat killmonger. I don't even fucking like this movie by the way if you didn't know I just don't I find this bizarre trying to draw every last piece of character out of all fights just because you didn't I don't know I need to hear his suggestions to understand the lines Yeah, why did he lose the first fight? He didn't fight well Why did he well? So the argument for why he would have lost the first fight is they didn't like they weren't fighting with these suits on Which made an extreme difference in terms of like defense and attack. They were and they were depowered, right? They didn't have their I didn't have the power power. Yeah Which meant it was like a I don't know. I'm just guessing here was he was like an ex Uh marine or navy seal or something killmonger And one would likely argue he fucking wanted to win Like he was furious and they had a fight both depowered Which I think that to charlotte was much less ready for compared to killmonger killmonger's done in his whole life Meanwhile to charlotte, you know, I don't even know how long it's been since he's fought without the flower power I guess he did it with the umbaku, but I mean that was a close fight too. He'd be fucking lost Sure So you could you know, there's there's things to draw here. Um, what I need is for you to tell me What it would mean for this? What would this scene look like if it was a character reason that he won Win the second fight And for my final example, I would like to point out what I believe to be the only flaw in the godfather Calm down So around halfway through the first film Don Vito Corleone is gunned down in the street by would-be assassins from a rival family And despite being shot several times in the torso. He survives It's not an impossibility that breaks the story, but it does make me wonder why Like why didn't those bullets hit his heart or his brain? There's so many ways writer Mario Puzo could have made this not a contrivance to name a few Vito being a veteran gangster Could have anticipated the attack and worn protective clothing The assassins could have intentionally flooded out of respect or fear because they were so The problem here is that I'm not as familiar with godfather to be able to talk about this Well, it sounds like he's saying that He's not happy with this choice because it was more than likely for uh, uh, Vito to die, I guess Yeah, these are going along the lines of contrivance rather than whole Yeah, and then I guess he's asking why it happened narratively, but again, I'd have to rewatch it Paid off at the bullet could have hit across on his neck anything But what we get is a coin flip that would he simply lives because that's what has to happen for the story to continue Didn't take me out of the mood. Well, but then in in in turn If that would have happened if they just shot him like twice And saw there was nothing really crazy going on then you could have probably said, oh, why didn't those guys? Empty the whole the whole pistol into the chest or whatever So is is the what's happening here? Is he saying that this is a contrivance? It is plot armor and he doesn't see what the purpose of it was Is that I think that I think that's happening It'll be the first time or the second time and the godfather's still one of the best films ever made But this is a moment of weakness in the script When trained assassins are sent to kill a man and a point is made of how little protection that man has And the assassins aren't impeded by anyone or anything. He should die. I'm sorry. Yes fight me I understand that a guy like veto could have survived in that situation But are you really going to tell me that one of the biggest plot beats in the story hinges on? I mean, we also have the thing like The amount of protection you have available to you is not necessarily what you'd have in modern times It's like bulletproof clothing and vests and you know bulletproofing cars and stuff that wasn't as simple as I mean You're arguing in favor of him. He's saying he should have died. No It sounds like you're saying that in the back then there was less protection Yeah, yeah, or no I I am but I don't know like I don't Oh, well, less protection is his argument. He's saying he should have died It's he wasn't well protected. They made a point of how vulnerable he was So does this guy who just that we watch get shot does he get killed or does he live? He lived. Oh, well, you're not yeah Holy shit. Well, I'm confused. I thought that was the point these guys making this whole time That's that's why I'm not familiar with the movie. You wouldn't need to be familiar with the movie rags That was this like whole premise of the section you were divorced through the whole context at that point I mean a lot of it because I I was gone. I had the meat thing up and I they got back from the loo and Okay, I came back and I listened for a bit. Good to know That you are that racist. You won't listen to things about italian. That's fine Oh, yeah, I guess it's possible like nothing else If Vito had died the rest of the film would have played out in a completely different way Michael's arc hinges on this and you're just gonna let his fate be a matter of random chance You can throw all the tomatoes you want, but I think this is a fumble I think this is a massive fumble In real life violence is often so random and chaotic Which is why I think a lot of writers think they can get away with Making it so in their stories, but I'd like to draw your attention to the air and Can this is why I need I should have rewatched godfather fucking anniversary Um, how can we call this random? That was a hit, right? Like they went for him Random chances that it didn't kill him when he got by like so many bullets Well, but I thought his whole point was about realistic violence But remember his title is how realistic violence ruins movies So I wonder if it's Like that this is the This is plot armor ruining the movie surely not realistic violence Well A consistent argument he's making is that it should stem from character It shouldn't because the example is he put before was at the beginning of the video It was random chance and one guy just so happens to be better at fighting it than the other And those are like the two main points that he's he's criticized stories for So it seems like he's making that observation that it needs to be derived from character. You need character informing it um That it it shouldn't just be random chance But the peacemaker one isn't and this one His survival is arguably random chance. Yeah, I would give him that but again I would call that plot armor not the result of realistic violence Yeah, you need to portray it in a way where he like if you were gonna read you around the the the script Then you could change it to where you know, which is what he has to be a less. Yeah to do that Yeah, that sounds like a good, you know, which means yeah Like I feel like it just doesn't help his overall point about realistic violence instead. It sounds like yeah The overall point is bad Yeah, for sure Sorkin quote. Yeah, it's the specifics on how it's portrayed. That's the issue here literally changed Oh, wait, let's go back a bit. I'm in chaotic Which is why I think a lot of writers think they can get away with Making it so in their stories But I'd like to draw your attention to the Aaron Sorkin quote that quite literally changed my understanding of writing The properties of people and the properties of character have almost nothing to do with each other Uh, uh, they really don't I know it seems like they do Because we we look alike characters and people But people don't speak in dialogue Their lives don't unfold in a series of scenes that form a narrative arc The rules of drama are Really very much a separate from From what we know from the likes of the properties of life to extraval Interesting observation. I'm not sure what it has to do with the video, but I guess we'll see how it dies in Uh It's the way we tie in obviously I guess is that how people die in real life isn't satisfying narratively so don't do it in your stories Uh, I I guess why don't I just don't agree though Well, I I'm not I presume that's where he's probably going with it But it feels like this this statement is is about something quite different like for instance the whole people don't speak in dialogue I think that's a fair observation. It's pretty rare that you see a film where characters will stutter Have sentences that are the issue I take with that strangely structured. I don't like definitively judge Dialogue needs to all be witty or poignant or whatever A lot of the time we will rate dialogue as good when they're stuttering or pausing or even making bad points I think I nothing. Yeah, I imagine that the observation that's being made here is that There's a lot of films where the dialogue isn't necessarily Realistic, but it could still be considered really good dialogue And of course for like Aaron Sorkin in particular, right people talking very long very tightly, you know, very witty Sentences like the way that he writes is not the way that people typically talk Uh, but it's still good dialogue. It's like that. It wouldn't be that it's realistic Therefore it's good like it's not it's not derived from the realism I think that's an intuitive agreement, but I feel like if I was to rewatch like Any of his films I might end up being like Actually, no the reason I love this so much is because I believe this is fully in character and it does represent a lot of What I believe they would be saying Oh sure, but But but exactly the way that they say it like exactly I think there would be several Maybe not 100 of all of the time But like plenty that's what I'm looking for in dialogue is representative of the character Uh Sure, but I mean I imagine that that he would agree with that He'd just be saying that it's not necessarily going to like Map onto the way that it plays out in real life Sometimes it's going to be way more witty or sharp than it would be in real life And that it's not a determinant just because it's realistic that there's something else I feel like he was more definitive in the other direction than that Hmm. Okay. Uh, do you want to replay it? Cool Making it so in their stories, but I'd like to draw your attention to the air and We're grabbing someone else to put in here. I was just Yeah, I think I think y'all's having a wonderful sleep and that's awesome shoving him out while he's having a nap And I hope he didn't fall asleep. He didn't make it Go real sleepy dive. When is okay? Wow, he didn't make it I as Hey Which we are anniversary Do you plan the first three to 50? I know right? It's fine. Yeah But yeah, we're getting on now. We don't get an old You have to get them pelvises replaced or whatever. That's what you do when you're five years old, right? That's right. Yeah Um, I gotta catch up on the memes in the chat here. Oh god, you're gonna get pretty confused by the context that I'm adding Yeah, I see Borromeo with a pride arrow inside of him Pride arrow that is the link to the watch together. We're currently checking out a video called how realistic violence ruins movies Oh Bet you didn't think you'd hear that take No, no, I think realistic fighting kind of enhances films. We're all right Yeah, I mean, well, I don't even know if we gave a take on this before we kind of started up But just for me, it's just always context how you do it and it's gonna be it's gonna work It's gonna sometimes not work whatever That quite literally changed my understanding of writing the properties of people and the properties of character Have almost nothing to do with each other Uh, uh, they really see like do you agree with that ring? I Uh, well, like I said, I find it an interesting observation I don't think I agree with the wholesale, but I feel like there's something to be mine from it Not necessarily. Yeah, I feel like I can take a stronger stance and just say I don't agree with it Okay But like I have a feeling that you don't want to say that because you have so much respect for sorkin I have a tremendous amount of respect for him And I feel like there's something to to be gleaned from that and I feel my read of that is When it comes to writing characters, you're not necessarily like convincing somebody of the plausibility of a character Isn't necessarily the same thing as making them completely and utterly realistic That's kind of my that's what I I gleaned from that statement Um, I just feel like the reasonable statement would have been the characters and people are not built the same way They don't do the same things, but there's a hell of a lot of crossover Like I would be like, oh, that's a totally thing But saying they all have almost nothing to do with each other. It's like no come on Yeah, I think there's a huge, you know correlation between, you know, the two Once in a way a more refined version of the other in a sense But I mean there's a reason why we recognize them so easily and without quite so intuitive to look at one and instantly link it to another I can just say that it's it's kind of like the that by saying that this dramatically is to emphasize it because no matter what You're always going to be Like whenever you're writing characters, you're always going to be pulling from reality You're going to be pulling from rural people. So it's to try and emphasize in your mind Like strictly adhering to making them absolutely completely and utterly realistic in the way that they talk to where They stutter a lot and their sentences are kind of incomplete and they don't always necessarily know Like even in the most important moments, they don't get things out in exactly the best way possible That if you're thinking about it like that that you can miss opportunities to you know have like super witty dialogue or really I mean once just I mean characters just seem to be the Like the the the dramatically refined version of real people Um, you don't even have to explain the differences. You just show one and then show the other and like just The closeness allows intuition to fill in the rest Um, I mean the the characters are the way they are because people are the way they are Um, if humans were different characters would be different Sure Uh, I imagine you wouldn't disagree with that though Like I imagine you would have to accept that you're you're going to be deriving Like as a writer you're going to be deriving your characters from reality So you have to like what what are the bases? Do you have other than? Yeah You're experiencing a new species of creature and a new like entire like you're not going to do that. That's not going to be I mean that that's just going to be Exhaustingly difficult to have to do that all the time. I mean it's pretty obvious why you know, we model our art after reality I know it seems like they do Because we look alike characters and people But people don't speak in dialogue Their lives don't unfold in a series of scenes that form a narrative arc The rules of drama are Uh Really very much separate from uh from what we know from the likes of the properties of life But I just like yeah that let's just I just I just don't agree I think that as I get with this general point like maybe the super specific Sure, yeah, like like a like a character is going to speak in a more generally refined way than they do in reality But how come I you know, I can listen to a character Saying things and know exactly what they mean without needing any explanation whatsoever And if a character was transposed into reality and it was just like who worked Into the real world and carried on as it was it would be able to communicate efficiently It would be able to do everything that a person does just in a I guess a more refined way Um, I mean that that's how closely they can be Um, yeah, it's obviously one-on-one, but I um I would especially when he when it comes to factoring in the idea that people's lives are not going to play out in a Narrative structure that you would see in a film or a television show I would imagine that that would stem from the recognition There's plenty of things that happen in your like you could look at your life and have a narrative structure But you're not going to have like when you're sitting taking a shit like in your story probably or yeah You know the time that you're just sitting around watching tv saying nothing for hours Like these are that you're going to be making choices about what you present and how you present and how quickly or how Briefly you present it and it's not necessarily going to be Like using real life as a basis is strange because it always has to be filtered It has to be presented in some kind of way Whether it's a two hour, you know film or a 10 hour, you know television show or a video game that's interactive Yeah, and in forensic most I mean we we almost say that it like it's a difference But I mean really I don't watch anyone else take a shit Including fictional characters. So in a way that makes it as you know more realistic that I don't see that When I was gonna say as well, we don't remember most of that stuff All of that gets washed away Like in in our own recollection of significant events will often pin back on all of the things that led to it We won't be like oh, but I did take a shit and I did walk over there and I did take a drink I mean like I feel like there's more of an understanding to reverse the quote to be like It's actually amazing how much we can understand that movies are drawn from the human experience Like how we structured them all what we consider important to put in So we didn't have to do all that walking into episode. No, we we don't need to say that They had to put the walking in as otherwise the episodes would have been five minutes and that's just not good enough But the reason that we can not we don't have to show these things and you don't even have to explain why we didn't show You know all of these things. Why didn't we show the entire eight? You know our sleep of this person and every poop well And you know thing is because you don't have to explain it because we automatically and intuitively tie that to the reality of What a human is and what they do But people do make those mistakes when it comes to writing of showing things that they don't need to show There are definitely books and films and television shows where It goes like it benefits from Recognizing that you have the capacity to curate to a greater degree what you're going to show Yeah, and I think that's an element of writer skill not necessarily We we all know the mundane in life. We all know that we have to eat We all know you can use it drink You can it depends on what your goals are as a writer Utilize but it has to be if you are going to utilize it then it has to have a very specific Otherwise it just literally becomes padding in a waste of time because we we know these these like watching them We're more interested in the in the specific That's why we watch these forms of media these forms of media are very uh Normally a film two hours long normally a tv show An hour long with adverts of 45 minutes long we have specific time frames So so we remove the chaff Yeah, and and we stick with the specific and and again unless it's very much used To emphasize a point, you know, I want to emphasize a point that this man's life or this woman's life is mundane Fine Bring that in otherwise. It's just irrelevant to to what the story and what the plot should be providing for this audience Because I was going to say we uh at the scene beginning in big Lebowski where he's just having a bath He'd be like why the fuck are we watching this and then it's like well, they Burst in the room with a dropper. Is it an otter in there? That freaks him the fuck out like, you know there's there's uh But well to the point of I can't remember but uh, if um if it was to be Like a shot of just a character taking a really long p or something We would imagine if the film was particularly great. We'd be like, oh, this is supposed to just show Maybe it's like particularly alone or it's particularly dark and it's just like uh Maybe the But it was a big scene Yeah, that's that's actually a really good point. There's all kinds of ways it could be justified, of course um Narrative purpose. So yeah, it's um, this is the thing I have huge respect for salkin as well But uh, I would be curious if I could speak to him about everything he just said there How long before we'd start to broaden it out and then the statement itself would have become Relatively weak compared to what I might be able to dig out of him because I just I don't know that he fully agrees with everything He said there. I don't know But obviously he's way more experienced than I am so Uh, but as it stands probably would disagree with him. Yeah I would disagree as well To extrapolate, I think sorkin is saying art shouldn't necessarily imitate life many feel that news I feel has a very generous reading at all. That's not what he said. That's not what he said If anything, he said that art does imitate life. That's what I would just that it doesn't imitate it exactly There's uh, I that differences in the way that you're going to approach creating characters And arranging events Because it is curated and you have a goal in mind thematically or for the characters whereas life plays out as it does Retroactively, there's a story to be applied there but as it's going, you know, it's not as all like it's all, you know Being arranged to lead to the most potent resolution But funnily enough that can lead to the most potent resolution It can it can yeah for sure. I mean well, it's a matter of perspective, isn't it? People what people make of their own lives Outlets warp real events to suit a pre-planned narrative And it's not hard to see a connection between that and the myths and legends of history Things that may have started in our chaotic complicated world But have since been reshaped to accommodate cultural understandings at the risk of sounding pretentious I'd say narrative makes more sense to us than the real world People can have spontaneous lapses and judgment people can get hit by stray bullets People can die of aneurysms for no reason at all, but not characters at least not the one oh god. He's so wrong Yeah, it's like reality has to like it does make sense Like it has to and if you think that fiction makes more sense then I mean you're wrong I just said where he's coming from in the sense that because in real life You're not like an omniscient sort of viewer of everything that's going on that it can be difficult to make sense of the things that are happening In your life and that like the way that narratives are presented with the beginning middle and end some thematic element binding it all together But like that's easier to pass and understand than like All of the crazy stuff that's happening in real life. I I kind of understand what he means I still disagree. I know what he's saying. He's wrong One of the greatest and most effective deaths of all time in media Nobody needs to be specific when I say this because you know what I'm talking about if you do and you don't if you don't Let's find An aneurysm It's almost seemingly at random Creates one of the most effective Deaths in anything I've ever seen so I can't I can't buy into this at all. It's always about execution. It's never about like oh realistic deaths like a stray bullet or You know, I mean, I don't yeah, like I don't I don't I don't know what that like what that all that's about. I guess it's uh I'm saying that that making sense of a story can be easier than making sense of real life like I kind of understand that Once we agree are good So I originally wrapped this video with a single sentence about bridging the gap between action and character But I think this jumbled mess of ideas could be summarized a bit better all the negative examples I gave sure to comment through Quite on the pussy, dude, let's be honest Video with a single sentence about bridging the gap between action and character But I think this jumbled mess of ideas could be summarized a bit better All the negative examples I gave share a common through line Which is that they hinge on the audience's understanding of plausibility to work And I'm not saying there's no room for symbolic twists of fate and writing I am more so arguing that if a story intends to sustain itself beyond the anecdotal Ie a saga series a world-building venture. It has to have rules And also, yeah, like if it's uh, if there's if a character wins a fight Symbolically when there's no reason for him to actually be able to win a fight. That makes no sense whatsoever. Like that's a problem You know, like I think that's an issue. So Uh, yeah, symbolism is great, but it has to tie into something. It's it's got to be explained I'm working on an in-depth critique of the walking dead because I think it's a perfect example of how to fail at this I've heard people attribute the walking dead's fall off to a lot of things Filler content circular plots hard to believe character arcs But I don't think anyone's hit the nail on the head quite yet The biggest problem with the walking dead is that its action is too realistic. Oh come on, dude I don't know if that yeah, no one's got it right yet. So if No one's got it. This is the thing man Like the the walking dead when I was even remotely into it, which was 10 billion seasons ago Like uh, the one death I probably won't ever forget. There's a couple I won't forget But one of the ones is gonna be dale for anybody doesn't know the character that's relatively enjoyable He's got a good head on his shoulders. He's uh looking out for people and stuff He's just like I think he's walking around and then he just like gets hit by a zombie Intested in an empty field and a surprise zombie. It's someone was to tell me Why do you take issue with that? That's realistic. I'd be like, are you insane? You're realistic that a zombie just snuck up on him in the middle of a giant paddock. No, it is not realistic not realistic Yeah, like I don't is that what people think like I don't well He thinks apparently the walking dead is going downhill because of realistic violence. It's insane Well, no in things like the walking dead I had a big problem with the fact that Clearly nobody in that world has peripheral vision Yeah Well, at least nobody nobody who is like not an important character or the important characters have Like pigeon vision where they can see everything around them Oh, I like the that he is like I cracked it though. It's the realistic violence guys I don't mean it's too graphic or too lifelike in any aesthetic sense I mean when a group of characters is attacked the writers sometimes just kill one off or random the fan base of which I consider myself a part for some time It would never be rick or uh, like what's what's the other one macho like Yeah, or uh, well, carl dies right at some point Oh I mean even then the fact that it takes, you know, like 13 seasons to get to any of those super major main character deaths Well, yeah, because I remember the internet went nuts when um Fuck who the two people who got killed by neegan and his uh, it was it was uh, glenn Because he's one of the main and abraham right glenn and abraham That abraham was more of a like expected one as I understand it glenn was the surprise because he's been around since season one That's that's when glenn dies in the comics Well, and if someone said see the problem with that is realistic violence I'd be like oh, I don't think that's just you know Well, I thought I thought one of the biggest complaints about the walking dead is that because it was around the era of gamethrones It wasn't like gamethrones main characters really weren't in danger Um, they typically make it through and make it through for a long time Oh, apparently it's swapped glenn is the one that's expected abraham is the one that was a surprise Oh, okay. All right. Yeah I don't know a lot about it glenn died in the comics there and then they've been That's this is where I actually dipped out the series because I've been faking glenn's death all throughout that season and it got just ridiculous He got to the point of of parody and then they just Expectedly killed him off at the exact point and which was killed off in the comics Well, wasn't wasn't the fake out that they had a big season finale Like somebody was going to die and it was presented from like a first person pov And then it's revealed that it's abraham and then you're like, oh, that'll be it Then maybe it won't be glenn and then he just kills him Isn't that like the surprise because it's two characters when you only expected it to be one Even if it even if it was in the comics, right? How many how many people who watched the show read the comics? Uh, I I think I think then Everyone thought that's when glenn was gonna go. Yeah, all right. It was a point where the The showrunner just wanted to try in some way to deflect away from that but Okay, yeah, I like I'm not super familiar with it. This is stuff. I've heard about it I read the comics and and that is the part where glenn dies abraham was dead Prior to that so I think the where it was a fake out was in killing abraham It kind of gave the audience the signal that glenn's probably safe Because that was glenn's death that abraham then got but then they just killed glenn anyways, so Well, obviously I was out by then anyway, so Knows this and they've developed a who's gonna die culture that fuels their anticipation of the next episode The show and its supplementary content lean into this and they make you wonder who the writers are going to choose To kill off next at the end of season six They had neiging kill a main character off-screen and they made fans wait until the beginning of season seven to find out who was And it wasn't obvious like a line of causality was deliberately avoided We had no idea what was gonna happen and we definitely should have I can't think of a greater way to disrespect the character than to kill them or Spare them from death for a reason that has nothing to do with their character The people who still defend the scene because would the augment be that it has something to do with neigin Yeah, this sucks because I don't I'm not more familiar with this so I can't I can only speculate but like I mean in concept He's still like theoretically not fully correct because you can definitely do this in a way that does respect character I don't mind if you had like a russian roulette type situation Your characters got into there was six of them and you as a writer roll a dice And you say like, you know each number represents the person and I am gonna commit to whatever this dice does I don't think that's disrespectful to the characters Well, is it disrespectful that a character does succumb to random chance? I don't think so. I don't know about that I guess it depends on what you mean by random chance Well, like presuming that neigin was just picking people out at random like he didn't pick The writer rolled the dice and then made neigin kill based on whatever the dice rolled, right? Sure. Yeah, you can't blame the character for that. What were they supposed to do? Well, it's it's not that it's bad because That means it's like we we preclude any and all possibilities where it is chance where it is just random and that's just unfortunate for you know, whoever that character is didn't neigin kill these two In the show because they were they were giving him the eye So he was seeing there's resistance Okay And the others weren't weren't looking him directly in the eye. Therefore, they were showing that they were more um Were not subservient or docile, but they were more understanding of of He's sort of position of authority and power over them. And that's why abraham uh, and glenn were were killed in that scene Hmm, I thought it was just any meaning mind him. Oh, I have no idea The shock value should wait against the red wedding shock value and causality Oh, but I still agree with him that walking dead devolved into trying to do shock value deaths for sure There's no but that I would tie that more so to the shitty writing not like Yeah, I understand that that show just collapses as it goes on. Yeah Oh, hold on a second. Um, jx is in the chat and says anyone on the panel has seen tng skin of evil Uh, just a second the skin Yard eyes Yes Yeah, and that's uh, that's a main character in the show and and it was I remember being a kid at the time watching it. It was absolutely unexpected Uh, that that we didn't know that denise crossby because of course there wasn't the internet in those days So we didn't know that denise crossby was unhappy with the position on the show and and asked to leave and she wasn't Happy with patrick stewart as well and so when that episode came around and And tashiya was was hit and it's like she said you think oh, she's gonna be fine and then no, she was dead And that was a massive rock That could particularly for the first season and I think it was around about episode 19 or something approximately So it was in the end. Yeah, so pretty close. Yep. Okay I I recently rewatched tng with my girlfriend because she'd never seen it before and watching it now it does just Happen and then they could they just move on it's like oh, well, she's dead Yeah, she gets mentioned. I don't know how I feel about it. Yeah, so um, I'm not gonna I can't I like I'm not gonna doubt the logic of it, but I don't know how I feel about it. Um I don't know. I haven't thought about it too much in the line of duty. There was no Set up. She was just killed in the line of duty And uh, that's that's what made it so shocking It wasn't like they hinted at it. It wasn't that they that they set it up. There was it was just out of the blue Uh, we're stuck on this planet. I'm just trying to do my job and then the creature just kills it Um, I'm not sure it was good tv though It was just right in Denise Crosby off the show Well, yeah, I mean they had to do it right they had to do it, but I don't know the episode isn't isn't very good Well, it's the first season. So Yeah, they're they're on the very good in the first season They were still, uh, the growing pains. Let's call it Yeah, we'll call it And then they brought it back in uh yesterday's enterprise in season three and they gave her a proper send off Uh, because then they gave her that at romulan child who like time traveled. Yeah, I was all that shit. Yeah Really exclusive you just have to be a good enough writer to stay ahead of your audience The red wedding is the work of a brilliant pickpocket who's so dynamic and entertaining that we don't notice what he's doing with his other hand Until it's too late And he's stolen our watch and we're taking it back by how simple it was and how it all makes sense in retrospect The season seven premiere of the walking dead is what happens when the pickpocket realizes It's easier to just hold you at gunpoint and take the watch But instead of leaving you with a begrudging admiration for him He just makes you feel I would probably I would want to argue to him It's like your problem isn't realistic file. It's just writing quality Yeah Yeah, but marlar. That's every video But they never say it that's thing I mean, that's like the universal problem on all these videos, but they never say They never boring in their writing quality. Well, yeah, it's not exciting to say. Oh, yeah, you don't write it like shit That's not exciting. You have to say well actually there's a there's a super seeker I found out the thing or there's three is a group of clown moles working against It's all so clickbaity and like oh, I've discovered the secret or here's the easy to success Realistic violence ruins movies That's that's quite a like wow Right. Yeah, what a dull and uninformed thing to say, but yeah, right regs There's like there's like this impulse regs where if this applies to like video games it applies to movies It applies to politics applies to everything like if you can pretend like you have some sort of secret esoteric knowledge that no one else has You get clicks and also more dramatic and interesting But yeah, the truth is like like all like all these ideas people say you can't do this You can't really can't do that, but it's like all those things you could probably do if you just write it well You know it all comes down to good writing But that's kind of complex and it's not easy to make a video on what makes good writing. It's kind of kind of messy Uh, it's not like a super clean streamlined thing. I think you can talk about there's a lot of Nuance involved in so many of the questions have answers that are it depends um, so There's a general rule here that like esoteric knowledge is really fun But it's most it's most often not true just in general no matter what you're talking about Because if it were true everyone like it's not like everyone would know it But it would be common because of its truth value, right? Like people wouldn't ignore the truth that is I don't know. I don't know what i'm saying. Maybe it's too early. I think I know where you were going And then you started to fall into a place you're like way people do believe crazy lies. So maybe That's true people do believe crazy lies. No, but like if you're talking about like oh, yeah, I named three lies. You believe baller Uh Well, it's like Truth truth in general is one of those self-evident things right in in some ways It's self-evident in some ways Uh, so, okay Gravity seems like a clear one have write it down and then tell us when you write do you mean to say like intuition is not useless Kind of that's like half of it Well I should have had some coffee before I did this It's okay. I I think it might be gone. I think it might be gone I think I got what that was because esoteric knowledge can make people feel Special in a way like like you can feel like oh, I know something that all these people just don't know They don't get it. They don't understand. Yeah, all the plebs don't understand. It's the realistic violence. They don't know That's what it is. A lot of these videos are very fart-huffy. Yeah Very self-aggrandizing dude the one we watched for the guy was like Oh, you know, my friends enjoy these films much like children Involve themselves with the kids kids programs. So it's like that's cute and fine. Good for them. It's like Wow Have you guys seen old boy the korean version and have you seen a battle? Yes, yes Are absolute masterpieces of cinema. Yes That have exceedingly realistic violence and realistic consequences of the violence Which uh, absolutely add and make the films compelling I'd be inclined to agree. I think a lot of people might challenge you on the whole way fight for realistic But I think they did that that was as realistic as it's gonna get Like that was really well justified in terms of cause and effect that scene Yeah He was very tired by the end of that fight it's being like the daredevil covering It's the narrow hole where and it's the the fear that's in a lot of people Especially after he's taken out a few of them and they get in each other's way They they do a lot of work in that scene to make it work and Nothing but praise from me pretty much Better also placing What he did took no level of skill and you couldn't have seen it coming if you tried That my friends is why I don't like realistic unpredictable violence in media Which is this is a terrible visual for that because actually yeah, wait He added that Unpredictable wasn't a part of this before Yeah, it was very pretty. I mean he even said that he can't fault the logic of it One of these you couldn't predict that one of these guys was gonna die I guess he'd be saying unpredictable like the you didn't predict a stray arrow coming out and you didn't predict the method of death or Or when it would happen, you know, just the stray arrow So so that's not yeah, that doesn't work because you can't predict when Rob is going to get stabbed in the red wedding Or what weapon is going to be the thing that kills him exactly You can't predict the exact second I know it's no worse stray bullet kills the character Don't we all probably yeah Absolutely and that's the thing it can be hyper effective. I can't believe we're we're ruling it out in this video It's like that just ruins it. It's like no it doesn't No, it doesn't especially the thing he's got to ask himself is the like did the majority people who enjoyed the suicide squad Think this was a powerful and effective moment and then why? If if realistic stuff does ruin it You know, I'm not I'm not saying that that means that it's good I'm saying that it's curious to think about if it's so effective. Why what's working Why would especially from an entertainment perspective why people believing this is a strong payoff? What's wrong with them going on because the um A lot of the time for us we can be like well, they're not thinking about the fact that the bullet should have ran out by now Or that they had loads of plot armor, whatever I'm not sure what he would say. I'd be curious Because that unpredictability is just a back door for the writer to personally answer the story and play god I mean, they're doing that all the time. That's their job A lot of this isn't actually unpredictability necessarily it's What a weird video taking agency away from characters at moments when their choices should be front and center Rick died because of rick and peacemaker. This is this is all them This isn't the writer any more than it is the characters. I just don't like that distinction. I think this is stupid The violence might keep viewers on the edges of their seats in the moment It's ultimate consequences I loved it. It really is Really good moment in the film Within the narrative and an other ring of said viewers when they realize that their intellectual investments do not have intellectual returns No, if anything, it's the opposite The more into the more you intellectualize something the more logical It will be and if the fights are who is the better fighter then They'll they'll like that that'll be good than the more intellectual the better Is he actually saying if you think about it less, you'll enjoy things more If you invest too much intellectual energy into some of these scenes all it's going to do is make you not like it So you just shouldn't I suppose or is he just saying you shouldn't watch these films People have over that like you'll get as invested as you will, right? Yeah, I feel I don't choose what I'm invested in That's that's not something I just get to decide to and obviously we're not talking about like banking You know it's like it It's it's like it's like, you know dexastic and volunteerism or something It's like it's it's emergent off of all the information that I didn't and how my emotions get mixed up into things You could probably facilitate and um Exit influence on it like if I keep watching You know, whatever episodes of tv. I will increase the likelihood of being invested in it But there's still you know, yeah If I yeah, if I start watching I'm if I start watching house of the dragon I will be much more invested in house of the dragon characters Then if I never watch it or never consume any media or never learn any names or yeah plot stuff There's also fun in In fight scenes that if you do add some intellectual investment in them Like if you take the time to dig in and do things like in the first john wick movie A big thing people would do would be counting his rounds and noticing that he's reloading at appropriate times And that was really cool for people because They didn't have to make it that good as far as like he's fired six shots from this revolver And now he's reloading. I know he doesn't use a revolver and pretty much the whole movie But you know, it's easy to count the six But but you know what I mean like if it's there if the writers and the Choreographers and the director did the work and people do dig in and they find oh, they thought about this It's usually pretty rewarding for people Especially if you already like See that reminds you of something now because with star trek voyager It was the inverse effect because For those of you don't know voyager lost in the delta quadrant there They they have no place to resupply for seven whole seasons, right? And jane way is like we have like 30 photon torpedoes and that's it We have no more and then you can like watch a youtube video where she fires off like 200 torpedoes over the course of the show Well, you kind of ruined your own show here, haven't you? By not like keeping track of these things On the flip side though had they made it so that they don't address it when they do fire a torpedo But if at the end of that season you find that they only fired 28 torpedoes I think you'd be like oh nice They they stuck to that The whole point of voyager was was something different that they were trapped away from the federation They had all their supply lines cut off And the only way back home and it's going to take them 73 years or something to get back to federation space And the whole point was for them to go through the delta quadrant trying to build Relationships and gain allies to resupply And it was forgotten within moments It really was forgotten within just a few episodes and they had an unlimited supply of shuttlecraft Unlimited supply of a photon torpedoes food everything You know, you'd see them complaining about food while eating nice food and drinking coffee and stuff and So yeah, they sort of took their premise and an interesting premise and then just turned it into Unfortunately a procedural episodic Show which was a shame Well, well, do you know what's next? No, but it is a familiar face at least partially it's been a while but I was so tempted by the title of this video I was like no way And Oh, yeah, no, that was yeah, thank you very much for that Actually that video wouldn't have been able to be watched as easily without your help there. So appreciate it The site stuff too They were being made fun of on twitter for this title and it's it's a title that's just so eye-catching The video is called we killed the multiverse Oh, yes I mean, yeah, where's my medal I'm here. He's right in the hole. Do you mean like e-fap? Just we we is in like no, yeah, we is in the title we Okay, no, and it's all about comic book movies and you'd be like what could that possibly mean Don't know It's not a french video we yes That would make more sense Who is responsible for the murder? Let's really find out because the we could be a lot of different things It's our guy who is oh, no, it's the shoe. Oh, no Oh The shoe means pain I'm also going to jump out It's time. I think but thanks for having me on for the short time that you did Wow, if you would have loved this video Yeah Hold on. Hold on. Are you giving me flak for leaving? You gave chud logic less flak and he was here for half the time What does that say? I guess I love you bull Yeah, we Our expectations for you are higher Canadians that's okay. That's okay. You don't have to meet them. You're not obligated to meet our expectations. It's fine You'll only be silent. Nonetheless. I mean happy anniversary guys. Well if j i know that like it's uh, it's 10 people here You always get j xy and if I leave, I mean Potentially to be fair a lot of people are very Hyper busy. I know it's it's an unfortunate timing sometimes I think a drink is not going to be able to make it. Unfortunately neither. I don't think is gary But you know it happens and it's okay Be the best we can on anniversaries I don't know. 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You have seen it hollywood saw the potential to get our money And we took the bait fish on a hook ready to be I already don't like the framing I didn't I didn't oh man Well, yeah, if involved in taking the bait is thinking like oh man, the flash is gonna be great It's like I didn't take the bait Yeah, and in terms of like, I guess giving praise it's like you praised multiverse of madness. Yeah, we didn't You know Yeah, remember all of these youtubers who are coming out of the woodwork to say, oh, yeah, well phase x that was terrible And it was what you know No Go back through their catalog and look at all the sixes seven and eights that they gave all of these movies And it's really fucking lame that it's like jumping on the bandwagon Because now Now everybody agrees now that the landmines have been cleared now that the reinforcements are here and it's safe Now that you can sort of present it as like this perspective that you cultivated It's not like everybody believes this now that these films would be bad I was like it was it was bad on day one. Yeah Yeah Fried but other than our eyes glued to everything everywhere or swing through the spider verse Well, I guess it's not all bad then mr. Killed the multiverse, huh? So there you go films these spectacles utilize their multiverses to say Anything to say to show us anything that we have not mean spider man says something. Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah Does the flash say anything? Hmm It said don't sometimes there's problems you can't solve. That's what the flash is about, right? Even a fart makes a noise Kill your mom Kill her with tomato soup Don't search for a killer never do that. I thought my asshole was clean that I was wrong Learned a three hour lesson about one can ruins the universe 40 cans does nothing No, no, remember when the goose bumps used to form at the mere thought of three spider men quibbing two batmen Coexisting in patrick stewart being back in the chair remember the Thank you, which chair do you mean? I was not happy about that one. No first one was interesting Very fun. Yeah, that was that was kind of exciting But like I was kind of sounded like you wanted to patrick stewart to be in the electric chair I wish they would just I mean I wish they would tackle doing one batman well before they decided to have two together You know, I maybe work your way up to batman Batman's is a batman or batman's It's batman bat marmos. It's uh, latin bat marmos bat marmos No, be You know And would we use I mean would we use a homo here or we're batman stew Yes Yeah, you know, it's fine batman's cool. I didn't know because it's like if it was a proper noun I didn't know if you would change that to to keep batmans Or would you keep batman apostrophe s or b8? I I don't know which one or batman. I just I don't know I actually don't know I would be curious to know though in my pursuit for knowledge Well, because batman batman is a title though. Like like he's it's not he well I guess he is a batman to a degree. He's a man. I am batman So if another batman showed up from an alternate universe they together would be no, I think you'd be two batmans I don't think you would be at man. That's right because it's prop. That's a prop. That's a I think it's because it's a proper noun In fighting this one. So, you know batman For instance, if there were two fringies, right, we wouldn't say f r i n g i e s. You wouldn't do that because you wouldn't change the spelling of a proper noun You would say No, you'd say fringies F r i n g y apostrophe s Yes, you wouldn't change the spelling of a proper noun to That's possessive though, right? If it's the oh, did you say it's both? Yeah, if if it's a Or If there were two fringies, it would be both if you have fringies if there's two fringies You don't change the spelling of fringie in order to In order to pluralize it. You would do apostrophe s It could be I think it might be the same as the apostrophe apostrophe s for possessive But I don't think that's typically going to be an issue grammatically But I'm not sure I might be wrong, but I don't think oh, would it be no apostrophe? I thought there was That's what I was saying So it would be f r i n g y s is just yeah just a simple okay Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, the one that took me forever to learn where it has no apostrophe But it is a possessive is it's it s that is when you remove the Yeah, because You don't remove it. You just don't have it Yeah Yes, it's problem-solves. All right, cool semi-colon That man's Middles life on the e-faption Yeah The possibility that we dreamed of nothing is ever as powerful as our dreams, but Thank you Our It's so inspirational. I love it being back. Oh, yes. Remember the fan art The possibility that we dreamed of nothing is ever as powerful as our dreams, but Why does he sound like he stopped mid-sentence No, he was he was he was the inflection. He was doing the wooded animal thing as powerful as our dreams I was making fun of back when I was making the ds2 videos the the video assays wounded bunny like in the forest just being like Oh Something that's so yeah, I don't like it. It's uh, I don't like it Yeah, but also if our dreams are theoretically our imagination Then doesn't literally everything that was ever written come from somebody's dreams Like something you know, you have a quite as as good as it is even though Arguably through hard work. You can make something that's a lot better than that initial idea you had I mean, yeah, I think he's just saying that's like, well, we we have all these great ideas, but It's always the bad ones that get implemented I don't think that's what he means I think he's saying that nothing can live up to what we develop in our minds Our expectations are impossible to be matched by reality I think that's what I'm saying A lot of words for that But me personally, I never could have dreamed that the multiverse would be stale on arrival would be dying I still on arrival now if I go back if I go back to the first, what's the first multiverse? What is the first one is uh, well the first one I guess would be into the spider versus like the Fucking the doors into the spider viz But yeah, but this would be the before the trend. I feel like it's probably like no way home We just said stale on arrival Well, yeah, then oh, uh-oh, it's no way home. Did you say there was no way home? Uh, well, I guess it's lucky, right? If you talk about He referenced everything everyone at once and into the spider viz all across so true So yeah, it wasn't stale on arrival The part of the reason why the trend kicked off is because the into the spider viz was not stale Yeah, cool and interesting It's kind of funny. I'm thinking if we should put endgame in there because they don't know their terms so maybe Endgame believes that there are no alternate timelines or being you know, like yeah, I wonder if they still believe that depending on you They can give you a coherent answer. Yeah Well, I mean, of course, he likes into the spider verse like that's not I I imagined that he would say well, no, it wasn't into the spider verse. I mean like Later, I meant I meant stale on the arrival of the stale ones But the problem is like he gave a positive review of dr. Strange too. That's true. That's true There's positive about that film. So you can't run away from that like you didn't think it was stale You you liked it. You loved it. I thought it was cool. Loved it. Yep Before we saw an ounce of life from it. Oh, wow Stories that actually utilize it make it mean something instead of using it to shoot the story in the foot Dude, whoa, hang on Is it safe to turn against this movie now? Have you changed? Yeah, he was so in favor of multi-visit madness. What's going on? What was it? What was the title of that one called? It was like it is Dr. Strange in the madness of sam ramy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah Wait, didn't he skip this part specifically then we point that out when I think it might be right. Is this the part he hates? Is that is that the way it works because I'm pretty sure sam ramy approved of this as well No, I say he thought it was cool. Remember this was uh, not his idea the what mouth thing that was someone else's and he loved it. Yeah It was stupid. I mean, it's It's really stupid and I don't want to make any sense at all Why did this happen? How is there already multiversal fatigue? I think because it's bad because it's shit There's been a lot of it and it was all piss. Yes. If it was good, we'd be wanting more But it wasn't good what we've as a comic uh book uh reader DC back in the 80s did crisis on infinite earths because they needed to repair Multiverses they needed to repair other earths and they needed to simplify it because if you didn't simplify it You couldn't invest in your characters because Why would you invest in batman from planet x when you had batman from planet a b c d e f g etc all the way through Yeah, there was no way, you know people could go well my batman's batman f and my batman's batman g And they're like no, no, no, but we want you to be invested in batman a what no because I like batman s So there's this there's no way to invest specifically in a character when you just have Multiple iterations of that character. You kill one of them off. Who cares? There's another one in another multiverse. So what is the point of that person's death? The death becomes meaningless Many things become meaningless And so multiverses actually expose laziness because it doesn't allow the uh the writer to to specify and make you invest in very specific characters in that verse it's it's Not difficult to to kind of grab get your head around. I mean, that's why we have Different it in film we have the bat keyton batman and then that stops Then they move, you know after x amount of time to a new iteration in in the forget cloney and and uh kilmer was just a Then you go into the the bail Then we were meant to go into the aflec Now we've got to the point where we're having michael keaton batman with a ben aflec batman Meanwhile, there's also a robert paterson batman and there's going to be another batman cast Yeah, that's a lot of guns batman So it's all over the place now and and people who do I who do I invest in? Why should I invest in? Why should I invest in this new batman when there's the paterson batman existing and is this batman existing? No artistic commitment. It's all based on which one's going to make the most money. It's like and then we'll we'll pursue that one Which sucks. Yeah, that's true. Um, obviously though If they paid down and limited and made for quality these stories like, you know The flash didn't have to be an abysmal piece of shit movie. It could have been Okay, you could have had I mean we all we've all speculated forever about how we just like you should have Just fucking had a batman movie, but it's not like you couldn't have had Do we have to have a flash movie? Can we just move it around? But yeah, the quality is still going to be significant But I think that there is a natural unraveling as soon as you start playing with a multiverse It's like, how can they not be right? We've been marvel you have on top You've hit the ceiling of stakes. Uh, this I can't conceive of higher stakes And then when you look at marvel, you just have all these different kinds of universes and multiverses and quantum Verses and timelines and this is like, I don't know what anything of this means You're just devaluing each other with every entry in your universe Well, you know the guy said worlds within worlds. That's what that means. Great. There you go. That's done Yeah, sure He's just watering down your product. He's just watering it Something instead of using it to shoot the story in the foot. Why did this happen? How is there already multiversal fatigue? I think we happened Don't don't bring me in this It's not my fault if you if you give me a glass of if you give me granny's peach tea And I drink it and I spit it out Because I'm like, oh wait, this isn't granny's peach tea at all. This is urine You can't blame tea. You can't blame me for spitting it out. You gave me piss It's your fault for giving me piss. No, it's your fault for drinking Should have given it a sniff, rex. I was tricked What do you also am I just supposed to accept drivel? Yeah, like rex is correct. Well, but like he says we but like really the problem was more so you If you're gonna praise the ones that are shit Meanwhile, we're trying to break them down extensively as to exactly how they go wrong Which gets difficult with a fucking multiverse movie. Okay. It's a while So this fucking video should be me killed the multiverse I killed the multiverse. I killed. Oh, that would have been more dramatic. You should have done that actually. Yeah I absolutely everyone we stop using the royal we only say the word we if you can answer specifically the people you're talking about I think we can all agree on that Most if not all of us here feel the efforts have been made to Try and repel people from this content with how shit it is Again, yeah, it's it's it's been a fucking disaster for a while but it's like Guys like high top have finally caught up in terms of real ages That's been really bad. You know what? I think that's our fault We've been mopping up these spillages for ages and then they just walk into the room like look what we did If this person this person praised dr. Strange and they praised uh Miles Morales Then wouldn't this video have been better coming from the perspective? Well, if uh, I Made I bought into this. I made the error. This is why this is why I I Relent now. This is why I I I retract my my You know Praise of the multiverse Highlighting can you can can you like acknowledge that you had a very different opinion? Yeah I'm starting to wonder if this is clickbait because into the spider-verse across the spider-verse everything everywhere all at once No way home and multiverse a man has all got praise from him And I think you'd stand by it for the most part so which of the shit ones it's like well the flash you didn't like yeah Yeah, okay. Okay, so five to one Sorry means like good Yeah, I would actually say like from his point of view it ain't killed it's doing okay. There was one fucker five to one is stellar One thing one thing I've noticed a lot with with mcu fans a particular mcu fans They're still like all in at this point Is they're committed to the idea that all of this is going somewhere and when that payoff happens All of you are going to feel too good for not being on board We're on board By the way, wasn't the first multiverse um the cw Oh And to be fair I remember brown table and several others praised the first episode of that they said it was great Damn it. We were all like holy fuck. That was a disaster Yeah, really? Wow, these people just say whatever they want and then After things have kind of settled and they could sort of they can play the field and then act as if nothing ever happened They have despicably We killed the multiverse. We We did it good. We put it out of it. You do right? Yeah, we murdered it. It's sleep We mercy killed the multiverse Why would you do that? Does anyone remember when the critic Jay Sherman showed up on the Simpsons and it was just fine like it was just a good episode And it felt like it was a pretty good. It was a really good episode. It stinks This should be why you praised it are the problem Well, I guess it depends on the conclusion about why it's yeah, let's see Let's get some of the meat from this video. See what we got. We're the problem Yeah, please Regardless of what his arguments his arguments would be terrible, but it would make more sense if it was well pre-watched Praise this were the problem. What yeah, but I I don't I don't know if that's going to be his argument. Let's see what he has Well, I think as is saying that that's the truth though Oh, that's the truth. Yeah, we are the problem. Yeah. Well, is he I'd be interested to see if he takes a Any possibility? Yes. No I assume he does with the weed He'll like symbolically throw himself in there, but he won't actually take any blame But if he says, you know what? I just realized I thought all of these movies were pretty darn good too amazing And here I am and I'm gonna totally like I'm gonna I'm gonna really think about that I'd be like, well, you know what good for you because a lot of people are just going to sail on I'm not going to give a fuck Well, well, he also said we so that includes him, right? So, you know, this guy if he cleans his hands That's what I'm saying. He's not gonna just push us into the swamp and then stay step out of it, right? He's gonna punch his piloters Yeah, maybe We shall see But first can you imagine if raid shadow Oh God damn it You get to hear all about Dawson collection over 700 unique champions a super detail So good Oh my god We know the other way we can stop pretending it's a meme to get sponsored by raid shadow and like there's still around Raid shadow legends sponsoring everybody is our fault. Hey, this video is sponsored by raid shadow legends My favorite thing about raid is the sheer amount of variety between wow We're talking over 700 I mean, there's over 700 It could be a problem like that like imagine if you had a fighting game with 700 characters all you think is wow Dude, the amount of fucking cloned characters. They would be in a fight a game with seven Look, look at these icons. How many of these icons are Yeah, that's true Oh my god, yeah, they're just knights just just go through the rows you you just spot them Your eyes how many of these guys are just knights with their champions are in league. How many champions are there? No, no, no Over the course of a decade of adding those characters in 140 Like seven telling me that there are 700 that doesn't that doesn't make me not want to play your game Yeah, if anything it makes me not want to play This is going to be like unfocused wait Goga said Goga said two of them are the same icon. Which can anyone spot it? I guess it's like where's walley Where's walled up? Can you get to the mystery I don't really want to search This is so much this is better than high top though. So yeah, so we could probably not next to each other. That's oh Where where I want to say it's like a it is it a Is it a booby with a helmet because that's half of them are a knight with a helmet So I'm gonna your brain because you don't know what the baseline is. Oh, wait. Yeah, I found it I found it. Yep. I found him. It is a knight. It is a knight with a helmet and there's a there are copies So third row He's got the third row and the one two third row or third row and fourth row Okay, there are two knights right hand side It'll be oh, I see him. Yeah, I see him. Yeah, but But also right to the to the one on the right there the bottom one Look at the guy next to him. I think that's a copy of the one just one up and one to the left Oh my god I'll just do a little circley boy right there and oh, I think I know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah, I see I forgot I had the power of light shot here. I think there's another I think there's another couple copies Over 700 champions. If you can imagine it blue portrait and the other is a purple portrait He'd most likely has created it like my homie skinner. Look at him. I love him offers endless costumers There's a different combination. Yeah, why is regular updates in your life? Regular updates Wow regular content updates. So it's like a video game. Yeah You're based of over 400 mil Wow For this game I can't wait. I've never played them. Yeah stick. Whoo-hoo On desktop or mobile the world is yours new players from the world can be yours in just a mobile game They're hands on great shadow like on the best at the old fridge Look, it's the stag night champions around as well as the skin for stag night designed by jon tron By using the promo code jt skin before october skin You know, I forgive it because it's jon tron, you know, there you go. It's in hydra flash It's a land-based competition. Yeah, you can smack the hydra. You know like bias What I've wanted to remind us that looks incredible. I've never seen that before 700 characters Oh my goodness I There was 190 countries involved in this There's never been anything Polly is more international than the u.m. Glide is 200,000 silver Come on worth that's worth 30 dollars. You could probably buy a whole character with that Dollar sign goes in front of the number, but that's okay. It's fine Ooh for energy home you get the whole tone It's all of all kinds of knowledge booster My favorite part of games is 700 I think they they pretend they start at level one And then you just log in and it's like no you got 5 million xp now your level 10. It's like that's not real progress Yes, it is That satisfies me. That's why I play games. He refills xp boost dude. Look at this says we're spending dollars at the top there That's where all this is. Yeah, it's worth 30. Yeah One of my pet peeves in games is when you have big numbers and you don't put commas to differentiate the amounts of zeros and stuff Please do though. If you please do that games. It's really Really great. There's a reason why that's that's a reason that's a reason why numbers are like that. Um, Yeah, I'm very helpful. Please do that. It is extremely helpful Give me the 30 dollars instead. I don't really want the silver or the energy refills. Yeah, that's true No, I'll I'll cut him a deal. Just give me 25 bucks. I'll take that. Yeah, there you go I mean man, so wait, so you're telling me that one character Some silver like an energy room 200,000 silver Yeah, and that that's worth 30 dollars. You could buy a hollow knight twice Why would anyone do that? Well, but that's a pretty good 700. The crazy thing is we were just bringing up league of legends That's free to play and it's way fucking better than this No, no guys, you get a one day xp booster John Tron Jonathan Tron Die John Tron didn't make hollow knight I have become dead Do you get Talia the epic character? Oh my god She's the epic She then she can read the epic skill tone That's the epic color There's something that I had all mentioned earlier like oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, the right shadow legends meme like the game is successful and it's because of these ads Absolutely. Yeah, exactly. How do you think they afford to make 700 plus unique characters? That's why Absolutely. No, they can't afford to make unique character or not. The ads are effective. That's why they pay And that's why we make fun of it Ladies in his life and he never will he hasn't included what he's thought about. He's reading a script Yeah, no, he's he's gonna play it one night and then he's gonna have something happen where he kills a thing and be like This is kind of fun that he'll channel all of that energy into the video This is games that you actually play in the first hour or so and then the game Well, it's just it's probably is like, uh, it's probably like in, you know, south park the canadian game Hey friend, you've got new buddies. Yeah Like Yeah Oh, that looks so incredible the gameplay I'm fine me in the name high top alex and if you're fast enough, yeah Wow, level 14. He has nine. If you're fast enough, you can join my clan. So just hit my link in the description Tell me why goober was your favorite He said look at him. He's my favorite and i'm like, oh explain why he's like I love his story. Then you go tell me it. He's like he was I love on rack Thanks guys, this video is very much for me to vent and I hope you're willing to follow along, but if not, thanks for being you Oh, that's why Hi I like this guy. You're welcome. I'm going to ask a series of questions About you being at fault This is more for me This is about how you being you put us in this situation. You piece of shit. You're like, oh, man Oh my god, you're right Like if this video was for me to vent like dude, this is the beginning of the video we haven't seen again You're about to vent Answer me in the comments. Most of this video was a great shadow legend. Oh my god. What people calling him You're on the approved Don't worry. I'm not big mad when you called me Yeah Number one why the hell is there a flash movie with no flash I mean the flash has probably the second best The villain of the film is the evil flash, right? Yeah reverse flash. Is it flip flash? I don't know. Yeah, is he That was made up of the film What? Yeah, okay. Oh, yeah, wait. Sorry. What did he say about the rogues gallery comments or just He's just about to say that I think he's just about to say that the flash is the second best rogues gallery Probably of dc If he says behind batman, it's gonna be But I see yeah If you say all time you'd have to say that it's better than either batman or spider man, which is a hard sell Why the hell is there a flash movie with no flash I understand the spirit of this complaint is probably the second best rogues gallery in all of dc comics. All right, okay What do you think? Batman Doomsday braniac zod like you got you got a bunch of uh, bizarro Lobo It's a big gallery And the example he's showing on screen is someone that most casual people tend to think is just mr. Freeze and a difference Dude, well, wait rags. What do you think of captain cold? What well, what's his real name? Lenin's not It's not like it's not like eskimo d'or or something Or maybe parkill for like a parka or the cool Um Here's a gi joe character that goes around in in the arctic stuff and he's called snow job So a snow job in a canadian schoolyard would be when a kid gets pushed to the ground and then you kick snow on him Oh That's what a snow job was at your school That's what a snow job was at my school. Well, you probably want to do a more fun school No It's never fun when you're the guy getting the snow job, which is uh, you know different than the other thing What's your problem with captain cold rags like what's what's the deal? I don't have I we've I've we've only just met I don't know anything about him other than he has He looks like he's a very determined fellow who's got a lot on his mind And then I like his I remember we learned about godspeed and zoom as well Yeah godspeed and zoom I was gonna say that was a long time ago, but it was like It was I mean, I guess it's a long time ago on the and in the streamverse Let me see, uh, this guy just he looks like a guy who's upset and it's cold Which is fine A lot for his glasses that's why before we prevent you from getting snowblind Oh, it's before we've even moved into the main point, you know, there's something to be said about it's a flash movie It's his first film. There there has been no other flash film. This is the first one And it's not really about him like No, it's about kind of hanging out I'm going to give him his best showing, you know, put your best foot forward to the shot people Again, would this have been the case if you know, if we weren't hearing such positive things about other Multiverse films that were coming out around the same time like multiverse or no way home It's absolutely insane that reverse flash wasn't in this film. Maybe maybe he was at some point Maybe maybe there was a flash film in a very very very old This film was in development for like two decades. So there was like 40 scripts written for it and they all got scrapped So Unfortunately for me I I have to I have to bounce. Um, oh my god. All right. I know. I know We're waiting from you to to be brb because we're scared No, I've told I told them all before I came in I had about an hour Okay, I'll believe you I have peed as you must leave Yeah, that girl as wants to run away. I mean, you know, it's up to you man. I mean, if you want No, you're supposed to stop him I'm gonna get to do is if you don't reverse psychology, man, you uh finish We will be finishing in Joel whatever he said Hey, let's just well probably like six hours six hours is probably it Holy shit, okay. What's how it's not in No, but the the batwomens they don't count as like time I don't know who made that rule but it sucks I don't know what you're gonna get was your 11 rule or having it be put up to a vote that had participated I can do a little bit later. You got 11 36 plus 8 11, right? So That is pretty oh, but then then we do have like four hours, but plus whatever however long the Okay Yeah Stiff upper lip as we you off you do and you do an afternoon tea is it Do an afternoon tea. Yeah, I don't want to plug it though because you're doing this That's all right. It's all right. You got you got your shit to do. I understand. That's uh, it's all good It's all good. Yeah, it's fine. It's you can head off and do your thing. It's cool. Um It's That'll be uh on az's channel Good for a good friend of the show and if you want to if you want to check it out. Yes, too, of course And maybe stay here. Just stay here. Just stay here and watch this is much more interesting Maybe if uh, if your afternoon tea wraps up in time you can come and uh, come give us another visit. Who knows? Yes All right, love you guys Bye. Oh, we lost a light us too. Bye. Bye Bye. Yeah, everybody Thanks for inviting me on always love to hang out with your mate Interesting. Oh good any time Yeah, have you guys some not right now though talk about some cheese or something? Oh, I love cheese. I like two more ferns cheese No, I don't like using thrones Hey, well Have a good uh resty day slash sleep. Oh, you're straighter. You're probably going to sleep soon. Oh, yeah Uh, I should I should You can't tell me what to do Bye. Bye. Oh happy anniversary. Thank you. Bye five five five more years. Let's go All right 100 years e-fap Yes 100 year e-fap reign forever Yes, all right I love fapping boy boy. Oh, see you. All right. Boy. I love now that we've gone rid of the losers We can get right into this. Hey, what do you mean? I'm still here. Wait Oh metal I'm gonna tell mel you said that What is called mere master grilla grod reverse flash all the potential to create imagery create emotion all the potential to create imagery. Yes Yeah, but if I have one thing it was imagery. There was images. I saw them Yeah, but do you need to have flash villains to have a good flash movie? No Yeah, exactly But I understand the idea of it's a curiosity. Yeah Yeah, it's kind of like what's the point if you're not gonna Yeah, if you have something that people already resonate with and you can adapt might as well If your idea is piss as we'll take one. That's not piss Is it cool if we spoil the flash like I'm assuming that that's not one we have to protect Absolutely not I'm kind of offended that you suggest we would protect it in any way shape or form Wow Fucking there You should probably spoil a yeah, you should spoil something else like I don't know something that's way worse than the flash There are things worse than the flash apparently well, then they've been constructed in lamps Oilers that I know that I've always got to be careful to not say so I was pretty sure that one was safe But I think they kind of did reverse flash with other berry They just sort of did a version of it a reverse flash not Yeah I mean We'll have different names. Well, I mean he is he just yeah, I think is he referred to as other berry and Well, I don't reverse flash other berry. Wow these names. They're so good Yeah, they go nothing on captain cold Yeah, the senator's remiller kind of becomes evil at the end and I thought that was them being like, okay So this this is this universe's reverse flash idea Right or am I wrong about that? I don't know. I kind of thought that It's not It's not a I'm gonna be honest. It's it's a little difficult to concentrate on all these games and people and events With time ticking on, you know, our brains are getting less and less. Yeah, it does. I marches on Yeah, I'm fitting with the multiverse. So I just saw I just wrote him tweet Uh, hang on. Let me do a vx twitter here. Dr. Strage update. There you go Uh Oh, go ahead Okay Jeff Loveness and Michael Waldron are rumored to have been laid off as the writers for Avengers the kang dynasty in Avengers secret wars To be a major player in both films Is he though? Will he be though? I doubt that. I don't know. They need it's a rumor tweet, of course But I just found that Benedict Cumberbatch is kind of all they have left other than spider-man who's sony owns Yeah, the only reason they really have him left so to speak is that he hasn't been like he's Benedict Cumberbatch and he's doing the light show as a wizards like that's pretty much there's not much to it anymore. You know I don't mean the character. I mean the actor Like I mean, Benedict Cumberbatch will probably come and do more mcu movies Whereas all their other sort of actually though I still do think that his character is probably perceived as more intact than most of the ones in the mcu that remain Even though he's not Mostly because we ignore all the things that went wrong and multi-person matters. Maybe they should some We're watching some movies online. The hope you'd have I guess is that tell you what happened with him in multi-verse madness No one's going to be able to tell you What he went through and what it means to him and who he is now and how he changed No one knows so they just chalk it up to I'm sure things worked out I I think I could make a pretty strong argument that the second he says like you said things right in westview And then Wanda does turn out to be them. We're spoiling multi-verse madness, right? Oh You know why because I think I'm the level of retarded that my my filter for spoiling is very thin So I'll just start talking about stuff and then not realize I've spoiled something major So I'm trying to train myself to always address it before I just start talking about the ending of a movie But anyways, I want to become evil And like Dr. Strange He does establish that he he was aware of the situation and just didn't do anything about it Didn't secure her and it turns out that was a very bad idea So I think that like the main premise of the movie is yeah, dr. Strange kind of like He's not very good at keeping the magic people in check apparently Even though he's like on mission to can see a million different possibilities happening at once Although he has to have the time stone for that. That's fair See I corrected myself Well, so what I was going to say is that uh, there's still a thin hope When you have a scene where captain marvel and dr. Strange are in the same room that Someone could write it so that he like says something mean to her and we get to have a smile Oh Nice probably not gonna happen though Because you know remember when he and tony met they were mean and then they were nice they went on a little lock. Yeah More of that character is probably the second best road in the gallery in all of dc comics Captain cold mere master grilla grod reversed slash all of the potential Whoa, whoa slow down. I know that was like one that was like a blur of games I don't know where one begins and one ends so to actually uh Take what rags is vibe is and to actually go even further The only reason that any of these fucking clown names have like weight is because of the probably really strong attempts at writing stories for them And the realization should come pretty quick that It doesn't actually matter if they were in the story or not. It just matters whether the story was well written That's that's literally it could have been you know Kajumbo is the enemy and it's like I don't recognize that it's like yeah, but if I wrote it amazing It wouldn't matter you wouldn't be like well, he's not from the comics I like the name kajumbo for a villain. I think he should be Captain kajumbo he gets promoted at the end of the film That's even better with a k the captain is with a k though. Yeah captain I think I think one of the reasons that this is kind of proven is that I mean Because we overlook it a lot of the times but some of the most famous like heroes Batman Yeah, no, it's completely in terms of um Batman. You know look at a Dr. Doom But dr. Do was one of the coolest fucking comic book bad guys ever it is like dr. Doom Like shut the fuck up. It works because of what's behind the the attempt of the name. You know, I mean Yeah, um, what's another one? What's one more? Just one more just we're gonna play a goofy name or Yeah, like a goofy name that's been normalized into not being goofy even though it's goofy Well spider-man is up there superman Superman is I mean mr. Freeze Mr. Freeze. Yeah, mr. Freeze Yeah, I see. Yeah, so mr. Freeze, but he's really cool though. He is so cool mr. Freeze is high tier He is a motion create something that we haven't seen in a superhero movie before Imagine a mirror dimension depicted on film imagine A mirror dimension men a mirror. Oh, I said a mirror dimension and I was like, what do you mean a mirror dimension? That's a whole lot of stuff But he said mirror dimension. We've have seen the mirror. I mean not the flash is mirror dimension But dr. Strange is mirror dimension, you know, let's go Yeah Because I guess he because I guess he means the flash one because of the visual Unless he is actually saying a different word like m m e Okay, if he's saying mirror fair enough, okay, I assume the mirror dimension for the flash is a very different and cool thing as well Gorilla city is something to say about our society imagine seeing that translated adapted with 200 million dollars I don't want to see this. I do I shit would be but you if done correctly. Yeah, but everything's bangin when done correctly everything Yeah, I I'm sure that a really good gorilla city Movie would be really cool and that's the thing a really good blah blah blah would be really good. Yes I bet gorilla city would be a banger if it was done really poorly Funny, yeah Nowadays there is no if Why the hell is there a flash movie with no flash villains? Well, we like zod and man of steel, right? Yeah, but what if he was done good? I did fucking not by way I like making fun of zod. You know, we call it astroturfing. We're pretending everyone loved zod when we did not Not everyone loved zod. It's not true Sliding like you liked zod. You did On a farm hold me I will find you I want to find you but to be fair. He could have been in the flash movie and done really well and we could have been like, oh my god How good is that? That's so great. Oh my god. They salvaged zod. Yeah Of all the dcu villains, he was probably most definitely the best probably most probably most definitely I'm barely lucid and I know that what you said was dumb Why are you showing that like a plus? The penis ships, that's what's happens next They got a little kryptonian space dildos They went to the sky Shady brought something to that role a power a presence. Why bank on something new? Why tell your own story when we like the story that came before? Okay, well, what if someone argued we had more story to tell for him What was something incredible and creative that has vision and blah blah blah all the things you say soul and purpose and power What if the even It's easier to just use him drag him out and cover him in visual effects. Yeah, see that's execution though That's not him. Yep Come on If he was in this movie and he was really well written and he was actually intimidating and interesting that would have been fun Yeah, and like he he represented a really important file to both cara and the flash or represented some kind of narrative thing There's loads of ways you can intertwine it. Why are we pretending like just having zod as a mistake automatically? Yeah, we know how he feels about farms. He could represent the encroaching industrialization of England and uh, yeah Yes, that cg was indeed cringe though. Yes It's easier to trust our nostalgia than to give us the I do not not I do not have nostalgia for some Normally, I'm having this is such a high top video. Yeah, this this point already fails. So I'm like, oh, we could skip this video It's just all just for a lot of things Fox 64 beyblades the the cat or pee Pokemon card. I like but it ain't it ain't zon. Okay Power Rangers why the fuck is the first appearance of tom haulins green goblin sam ray's green goblin? Um Did you say this when you reviewed? What happened I doubt he did But even if he did it's not like So this isn't a why does this require justification when it's a phenomenal actor playing a phenomenal character that has reason in universe to meet our So to speak current spider-man Oh, oh, I think he's covering his basis Like this is uh, this is actually a different character done, right? So that's why he's justifying it. Oh, yeah, because this would be the counter wouldn't it to the zod example It's like this is bringing them back and then doing it right. You're right. Yeah So now he's saying like it's but it's well, let's see what he moves on to say like what is the problem I'm assuming he's gonna develop it Listen, I'm not just before we move on but the way he phrased that I thought he was talking about tom haulins playing the green goblin because He didn't say That's why I was quiet because I was confused and I let y'all do that I was confused. I thought I wait I don't recall and then I thought it was like did he do like a voice job or something But he didn't a snow job. I was just confused. Did he do a snow job on green goblin? Oh my goodness. No, and I thought he was talking about the flash movie too So I thought tom haulins green goblin in the flash movie. That's kind of that's a confusing concept Oh, that's all g versus getting really hard to follow. I don't know what actors in what movie or who they're fighting or what's happening It's like it it's just it's mad libs It's all mad libs Mad libs all the way down Oh boy I'm not critiquing the way they use sam ramies world to get even more of our money. I'm not even saying that you will find it Boy, hang on. Why'd you phrase it like that? Why did you get it? You have the spongebob webs well, you know, yeah Sam ramy and it was and and it's fundamentally The It's also fundamentally the mcu tom haulins spider-man world. That's the the main backdrop. So So like yeah, I need him to be clear on this one. What is the problem? This is again after having Two of his own from his own universe. Yeah, so I need to need to understand Listen, I'm not critiquing the way they use sam ramies world to get even more of our money I'm not even saying that you will find a better green goblin than william defoe I'm saying that you didn't even give john watts and mcu peter parker a chance to showcase I think john was would have adored working with william defoe And his green goblin And that by the way that that's so like to say like you didn't give him his chance What if he considered this his chance with green goblin? As in like he wanted to work with william defoe. He wanted to integrate This is the thing as much as people can try and shit on No way home or using ramies elements is like william defoe in this film was banger Yeah, yeah, yeah so It's not really analogous to the flash because tom haulins spider-man did have two movies where he does fight a very Very iconic spider-man villain in each one Did you realize as well? Why did he say the first green goblin is swinging because it's like yeah because we could get this universe's own green goblin That could still happen Yep, that's always possible But there's a universe I suppose where we did get that in this film and we didn't get william defoe's Uh performance, which I think would be like that's that's that's a loss. It was really fucking good Yeah, I don't like that we've balanced this as yeah, but it's ramies like, okay Why is this a bad thing? He's like balancing it between um How do I say this it's like He's saying it's bad In the other thing. Yeah, I mean it's just confusing right now It's like not right I think he's saying it's not right that uh an iteration of spider-man should have green goblin Be from another universe instead of his own because green goblin is like arch nemesis, you know, big bad He should have his own one But I mean he can have his own one. It's funny. He appeals to You know put the power of the potency of storytelling and he's just like automatically assumed it would have been better than what we got in terms of The end of no way home The end of no way home does set him up to be like, okay now He's gonna go on his own sort of just spider-man adventures not having any connection to Like he just has a so the suit that he sewed up himself and he's now swinging around. I guess bullish for no way home But I mean and also I mean they had an opportunity with tony stark dying You could easily say okay The stark corporation is maybe in a bit of turmoil right now because they're trying to figure things out without having tony So that gave oscorp a chance to kind of rise up And then so many could very easily be like, okay now spider-man is dealing with oscorp stuff in new york Because they're this competing firm that has all this crazy stuff going on And maybe he does become friends with harry osborn and that well if he meets norman before all this shit goes down That's an especially interesting dynamic, isn't it to know that that's gonna he's gonna become the green goblin At least in theory he has in other timelines You know, this this this is an option there a different story to tell And what that norman could be just a really good dude at least at first and it's like he's thinking Well, I know this guy's evil, but like what if at that point he hasn't gone through his evil arcs of peters anticipating it like there is already a story kind of there and I think acting like well, this was his green goblin, I guess But it was toby maguire's is like well Oh for now, I guess like I mean that's the story they told in this movie, but Unless I forget having Versions of people like we have seen sort and didn't they also kind of say that it isn't ramy's green goblin Who's actually there? It's like kind of a different one. Um, I'm more than happy to concede. It's a variant of the ramy one It's branch from it's obviously ramy's Like designs or at least intentions, right? If you want to say he has a grip on that particular iteration, and I'm totally fine with that This is the thing. I don't see it as a bad thing um Having him there and having toby maguire spider-man there Having that big interaction at the end like these are all really big potent payoffs You can't you can't really get that if you use a completely new green goblin I mean you can you can have something similar you can write it in different ways But this feels a little bit like a reach to me Like isn't it awful that the first green goblin we saw for tom hawn to fight was not his own universe is one Like I don't know isn't it about execution? Yeah, definitely is something a strong contemplation of um personal preference and actual execution. It's um It's something he's very not good at mr. Mr. High Top Who take on norman on awk on samman on lizard on electro? I'm sure we might get those takes I'm sure we will eventually see what in whom those characters look like in the mcu But you will never ever ever ever ever ever get another green goblin that killed Aunt may Ah He can do other terrible things like that the voice Also, like I mean what what is your point here? This green goblin dead and that was really potent for peter. He was huge story Yeah, which would predispose him to really not trust another norman osborne Even if he seems like a reasonable person Yeah, that's a lot of potential It's funny coming from me But there's a lot of people that peter's gonna care about in the future that You know, they're gonna have expiry dates Oh, yeah, you're gwen stacy's your harry osborne's, you know, they're they've got time limits even your captain stacy's right tick tock Oh your captain stacy's as well. Yeah There's a lot of dead spider-man allies out there. There's a whole graveyard spider Some of them were killed with his radioactive semen. Oh, no Oh, that was a good one the spider yard Yeah, now they're making a sequel to that story The only things that ever made peter parker feel loved made him feel the fire of hope and extinguished it right before I can't with this fucking emotion Yeah, he sure did. Yep. He did that Um, I mean, he's just he's just explaining why it's potions Like if you will defose rabies goblin does not make this less potent. I don't understand how you can make that argument Yeah, you know, it still does the same Whatever Let's move on. I'm not sure we were ready that peter was ready to meet two spider men that have faced that have loved and lost So many times Okay, okay, wait, wait, I guess I was ready. I handled it. Okay. I feel like uh, does that mean I was able to you know deal with it at the end of the day It's the story bad because he's not saying it right. He's just he's just like he said we're not ready We went ready weekend. We went ready. I I feel like when I went into the theater That I was prepared for pretty much anything that They were gonna throw at me And I remember being okay. I was like, okay, you know, this is this is good. I like this is pretty good And I walked out of there. I don't think I was traumatized or anything. I think I did okay I don't know how I was prepared specifically for this But it was underneath the umbrella of things that that that I'd be okay with on account of it being a film Elm in a theater I see He doesn't really liked and now he says I don't think we were ready for him to be ready to be ready He's like, what are you saying? You're saying I don't know. I can't hear myself Yeah, what's going on? Oh Lewis, are you are you guys hearing echo because I'm not You with you with you with you with you Hello Someone in the chat to turn off echo cancellation and I noticed that in addition to being echo cancellation on my mixing board Which was off there is also in discord. So Oh, no, you turned on echo You enabled echo So I what's the what's the enable you enabled echoes you you gave power to echoes I I turned it off hoping that would make me sound better But it it caused it caused my my I guess second flood total Echo later 4000 I I need to go back to the robot factory. I'm I'm a poor poorly designed cyborg No work in progress work in progress get that negative self talk out of here, ma He himself had yet to learn or relearn that with great power comes great responsive re-learn I think Learn or relearn is like all right that with great power comes great responsibility is not binary and people need to fucking understand That it's a hell of a lot more complicated as if ethics is all binary like the trolley problem Is you learn it and that's it. There's nothing else to it, you know, it is binary. You pull the lever for you don't Yep, it's done. There's nothing else to learn. There's no other permutations. There's no other complications There's no other questions to deal with it's just you know it or you don't It's not like every spider-man trilogy Deals with different versions if I say as if there's more than two I guess there's two of the amazing spider-mars, but all of his films are always like variations of understanding responsibility And who only learned that because someone else's villain someone why are you phrasing it that way? Why like they belong that like villains belong to certain heroes Sounds like he's almost gonna cry like he Don't you think it's all the time Green goblin is spider-man from the mcu's villain. He killed may He's the main villain of that film. He is his villain as well It's so weird that he's implying like there's this gross stain of ramy now in the mcu. It's like, what do you mean? Where was this energy when the film came out? I don't know But i'm sure you had some like there must have been some sentiment of like there's sapping ramy I don't know I'm gonna be under the umbrella of just key jangling and just bringing back all the old things And now it's not even going to look if the things that were were brought back actually Well, I hope we get a big section shitting on multiverse of madness. Yeah, I think that's what we are heading toward actually Okay From ragged into another universe, I love you phrasing dragged into Delivery Oh, yeah Not a fucking soap opera No matter what they do or how well they do it another filmmaker's vision of spider-man will always have Arguably this was john watz's vision of spider-man. This was john watz directing willam defose green goblin It doesn't make any sense at all that because he appeared in someone else's film first That that means the director that's like saying like look at joss weed and trying to pretend He has some level of control of a loki when it's clearly kenneth brannas loki That doesn't make any fucking sense I don't agree with yeah Look at that the russo is trying to use thanos Don't they know that's weed and sthanos because he appeared in the fucking post credit scene of avengers That's where we first saw him. Yeah, get your The hands off thanos Yeah, believe the most important place in the life of this current peter parker Maybe that was the idea Peter Parker Stop crying Stop crying oh my god One minute mark at a high-top video and it's it's getting it's pretty emotional It's pretty every after he's done with every recording session. He's just a wreck Yeah, I can't get over that It occurred to him that It occurred to him that it might just be the idea that hey this green goblin shows up and has the major effect on Am I sounding bad again? No I mean you sound okay. It's the things you say They're fine I said they're fine Oh, okay. Well, it was he just admitted that he's like well I mean, maybe it was the intention that this green goblin came to the mcu and had an actual Tangible character effect on that world spider-man. Yeah, that was probably the idea man What? Peter Parker should have said hey hey you you get out of here. You're someone else's Yeah, you're not my Greek Back to the universe you came back with from you're not my green goblin. You're another peter parker's green goblin No, touchy place in the life of this current peter parker. Maybe that was the idea That we believe that there will never be better takes on these characters. So why not use that was a different take It's not it's not how it works that a character just because from somewhere else can't be delivered in a different way Doc arc is not exactly the same Well, I mean he likes spider-man ps4 and and doc arc in that game has a very different Storyline than doc arc in spider-man 2. Well, and the implication of course is that like any other What if it was like fucking a Why do we just automatically assume it would have been better? Why I don't get it I think we scored pretty high with The reason why they chose to do this was because they never believed that they could do better I mean, that's just an opportunity that presents itself to leverage these characters and service of your story At this time At a time when the actors are still reasonably young enough to do it Like I think If you put McGuire back for a multiverse mcu movie is probably better to do now than 10 years from now It's assuming there is still mcu Was beloved takes instead of dreaming something. That's why what ramy did 20 years ago is unmatched I do believe that but I would I do I do Believe that you could it could be implied from the statement that I'd made before that I also believe that given the chance a filmmaker a writer a storyteller could dream up something so Unexpected, you don't have to do that a filmmaker a writer a storyteller. You can just say like A best boy of a makeup artist a costume designer Sorry guys, but like once you notice that that he often does It was a three and then I'm a lot of the time And rattle them off pretty quickly like once you notice that you can't unsee it as a The last one is the much more impassioned one Yes Yes a film a story a film an experience He needs to have heart to have power to have conviction Yeah, like it's so predictable. He does it all the time It's uh, it's gonna be at least one more time before this video is through for sure. Yeah I'll be uh I stand by what I said earlier We roll the dice on a brand new or a variant version of whatever green goblin And I think that we're probably gonna end up with something worse than what we got because he was fucking phenomenal in no way home Yes Original true, but why even try especially these days You know as soon as the rumors start rampaging and william's iconic goblin laugh starts echoing in our ears Yeah, but it wasn't superficial was it? Yeah, it wasn't that which should be the one reason for it That is what separates this film from the other mcu multiverse projects Yeah, this one actually uses these characters in service of the story Oh guys crazy. Oh guys that This video it doesn't have a lot to do with the multiverse Not yet. Maybe he'll justify it Maybe well, yeah, wait because we killed the multiverse. This whole thing is a completely different thing Yeah I'm waiting for the uh For the context like oh, yeah, it's all under the umbrella because we use the multiverse things We can just bring everything back and now everyone is uh creatively bankrupt and we're not gonna do anything else except bringing things back So we kill the universe or something. I don't know Again, the green goblin kind of looks like alien just a little bit With his long And his teeth his little teeth up front And he's kind of got his Yeah, like if if there were no eyes there that would he'd look pretty he'd look kind of like no ears Look at alien a little bit. Yeah Why don't they yeah all are hit on your hands? They knew that we would be seated popcorn in hand ready to revive Oh, he just stole popcorn from him three Why in the middle of a dr. Strange movie about trying to find happiness is patrick is that what it's about to get his next snack Okay, that's an interesting question to ask that's very specific I think multiverse of madness at least tries to use the multiverse to say something thematic So no way home didn't okay Oh It's mom is the one that has meaning of course the flash tries as well Yeah fails, but it tries But the implications that multiverse is the only one which is I think that the flash is more coherent as a message than mom moms is really fucked up in a lot of ways, right like Like seven different things is trying to say all or one one of them is that um, they're they're constants in the multiverse Across the multiverse, which is just ah, I mean if you want to you know, yeah Meanwhile like the flash doing the whole like, you know, there's just some problems You can't solve and you need to understand that you need to move on from them sort of thing It's like that's a fine message. Yeah Or and then he changes something anyway, what's what I mean this damage in the in the flash But there's also damage in mom like I guess I'm already annoyed because it feels like in one and two We didn't load in anything positive for those films and then the third one It's like loading in you know, why is it that a dr. Strange film that is about this theme has this bullshit in the middle It's like, ah, right because it is the better one of the three, huh? This is the better. Does he actually think this is the best? I thought he I guess he probably does He probably does yeah I have a couple friends who absolutely love this movie and they're just like, oh, yeah, man It's like it's mcu, but it's also like sam ramy evil dead stuff Dinky Sam ramy stuff you can possibly imagine. There's no Visuals any of it And even the visuals are nerf because the visuals in evil dead are like ultra gory They're absolutely not in walter's madness. It's nerfed for sure Plot the force dr. Strange to reflect can steven strange be happy without christine in what universe or reality? That feels like a question that came out of nowhere A hubris filled world ender and yeah, yeah, because he's an excess filled world Kids you bought into absolutely sad as hell But the most evil dr. Strangers are all about trying to get with christine's like come on She just isn't that important. She yeah, I don't know what they see in her. She's kind of annoying and dumb Yeah, I didn't mind her in the first one Oh, yeah, yeah, we're talking about her in multiverse of madness. Yeah. Oh, I think others Everything's broken in that film. Yeah Yeah, what reality can he be that hero and also be happy? That's so smart on paper the potential for that is beautiful I'm gonna go sniff my farts They feel so real Is that what's been complicated though? Like I mean, it's like okay. It can this person be a hero and still be happy It's like well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, yeah, it's kind of like what old superhero movies are about Like I mean it's like an element running through it about that The whole premise of him Like they they chose to start the movie with him going to christine's wedding where she's getting married to another man Like that that didn't have to be what happened after the first movie I'm confused. You're right I don't even if it happened so briefly by the need to play the hits charles xavier captain carter black bolt fan I'm sorry. Play the hits captain carter. It's not like play the hits captain carters. I hit bang smack I've been waiting. I've been waiting to see captain carter and boy Boy my one. I was what if scenario or whatever it was sure was disappointed both times They were fast. I personally were five or six fans of the inhumans who really were happy to see black bolt again But another long Captain colder. You don't want to watch that show No There to see any of these characters in a doctor strange movie Especially one that seems like it has or had something to say about grief and about giving up so much of yourself Why weren't you talking? What does that have to do with this? I don't know what it was trying to say about, you know, fuck that movie. It had What do these characters have to do with the message of the film being what you think it is? Well, that's the point is that he's saying that they have no purpose in this film or no place We've crossed the halfway point of this video She imagined those children also She didn't really part of part of the problem here Is you're focusing on one of like many contradictory fighting for screen time themes in this film Like the idea of all the happiness. It's like that's that's one theme out of a few That are fighting for air Yes, for men of others Do we really care to see any of these characters other than charlie? Probably not so why? I didn't know he was on charlie Because you don't you don't care about the inhumans or black bolt. So Or captain carterie though. He just described them as the greatest hits or mr. Fan Yeah, like that was a big one Yeah, like it's I don't know. I mean Was again was this at I I can't remember. Do we watch his is video on dr. Strange? Was this energy like in that one talked about he talked about ramey a lot Right now style a lot of style stuff. I don't think you really talked about the illuminati Much The entire group scene moment was so transparently clearly shot reshot ridden re-ridden to appeal You mean like everything right now Yeah, all of them The least common denominator us fans in the audience who thought the deadpool might be in least common You mean the lowest common denominator Oh, yeah, the least common would imply that it's unique. Yeah. Yeah Here the toga wire was going to show back up since ramey was directing the content creators who speculate on ben athlec's Derritable bringing jesca albus sue storm to life while chris evans johnny storm fires some quips back at dr Strange who jokes that he looks an awful lot like captain america disney owns everything so anything is possible We provide free press and hard-earned cash to go see a movie on the slim But you praise all these movies. I don't understand. Yeah, you you just snatched He snatched all these talking points from other creators These aren't yours. You made this shit up. Well, yeah Again, if you were part of the machine If you said this you're a guy that would be interesting, but you're saying yeah It was not after you praised all these movies you go like ha see you paid all this money to watch those movies That I said we're good. You probably went on my recommendation sometimes as well. So we killed it guys More money than I did this is the popular take. This isn't the contentious take so it's not very interesting Yeah The royal we it's terrible now that the dust has settled and it's safe to have these opinions Now that you have the safety of hindsight on your side You can say how these things was funny, by the way is uh, he's not got the the read that I think his audience Would expect him to have which is that ramy did that on purpose and its purpose is to Have a meta criticism Of the nature of like multiverse stories like look at all your characters I just fucking killed them because that's what the multiverse is a meaningless mess Like a lot of people would defend the fact that all that happened that way But a high tops chosen to say it was meaningless. It was pointless and stupid Controversial maybe that's an interesting distinction chance that your favorite version of your second favorite marvel character Will briefly make an appearance in the universe altering a venture because frankly Most of the audience did not give two shits about a dr. Strange movie or a sam ramy movie But bought the ticket because multiverse was in the title Not I I think you you don't know I just said that but I don't know if that's true I didn't go because it was I guess we moved on with we're not really shitting on multiverse and madness Yeah, he's just like he just said so very confidently and dramatically People went to go see the movie because it had multiverse in the title implying it wasn't because of dr. Strange It wasn't because it was part of the mc Even though it wasn't because it's been a cucumber bat That was because of sam ramy, which that don't normally I don't normally market their films about the director his video His video called it so it was all about it being about sam ramy That was his video about it sam ramy took your primary focus But he's like Or why do we keep traveling through the multiverse yet see nothing new in the flash Barry Allen goes to a different timeline. We would assume that this is tim Burton's timeline batman has the same costume He says the same lines, but nothing about the aesthetic of this new world. This universe is different It does not look like the brilliant work of anton first or even a pale imitation of it It looks like every single other superhero world in malta. Yeah, this is an old-ass talking point, too I sure hope he doesn't say at least in multiverse and madness the illuminati world was kind of like different He walked on crazy montage of different Okay, that all look way more fun way more creative way more full of possibility. We get a world war You do just do the triplet thing again He did do it. He did do it, but he's got the right shot Yeah Yeah, nice one. Yes, you are correct for saying the lights switching is fucking lame high top and anyone else Because that's correct as well The broader point is yeah, it is incredibly lame You know all of these other really wacky universes that are very different from you know What is recognizable we just flash past them to go to basically the same place except it's kind of more futuristic It's flameless more like eco-friendly and yeah the the traffic lights reversed If you can just go to an alternate universe and basically blend in really well and just live a life and talk to everybody It's it's really just a missed opportunity, isn't it? You know, like why didn't we have it in a I think it's something we've talked about before just a different universe where the chitari won in uh, uh, Avengers, so it's uh Sorry in charge The one I always bring up is as far as like the alternate timeline goes is the one where the different half of the avengers got snapped And so like you see that's interesting Yeah, like what what did the solution happen when it was like Everyone who was gone were the ones who had to deal with it because it might have worked out differently than end game A world where hamburgers ate people Oh my god And no way home We never see anyone's world other than peter's which still looks like it was shot on a green screen at best by parking lot The entire sony. Yeah, the two shots that everybody points out. Yeah, I was gonna say that was easy But also the reason why it's in peter's world is because it's very much his story. It's about him I was about to say it feels weird, doesn't it? It's like Yeah, why using rabies stuff that it's like, oh, but yeah, exactly Yeah, what's using his own stuff is like out of the question You gotta make it more interesting if it regards the multiverse instead of if your story was only regarding the People from other multiverse not like locations Your script is only 15 minutes long and there was like one minute that was an ad and you're still contradicting yourself Yeah versus the brief multiversal connections that will probably never go anywhere worth traveling Why because boardroom reasons because the vulture showed up at the That's a really great visual to highlight that. This is something that's been going on well before multiverse. Yeah, exactly That's uh, that was 10 years ago nearly Yep The end of morbius and nobody cared because craving the hunter is an R rated anti hero because the foundation of every single one of these Movies is the expectation that we will give a shit because of the two percent chance We might catch a glimpse of spider-man Yeah, people like you What is this we because every theory and every clue And every little thing. Oh, what about this? What about stop saying? Stop saying we this is a fucking consumer mindset Like we we he's waking up finally. Okay. He's having a moment Let's guide him towards the light. Yes. This is the first step on your road to recovery But remember remember like if this should be your your apology to the world I'm sure that somehow it feels like if anything the superhero multiverse restricts creativity Filmmakers having to imitate and somehow it's a lack of imagination Yeah, I mean as much as we can talk about how it It unravels and stuff. It's like you can still do whatever the fuck you want Yep Lack of imagination Into great decades all the universes that were far more out there far more Stylistic into the bland landscape that audiences have come to expect Keaton can never get nuts. Rami's villains will never be shot with the same And patrick stewart genuinely doesn't seem like he knows what movie he's in So mean to the old Is this the enterprise And gay patrick a threat That old said gay The best crew the most money and most resources the studio's focus is not on the creative potential the vast possibility of multiple worlds So there's nothing to do with the multiverse. It's just about the creative side of this Yeah, make it so Yeah, and why they keep why are they keep doing this? Why are they keeping keep keep making these Shit films because you fuckers Keep praising them and then a year later. Actually, it wasn't that great guys Yeah, the only one he didn't praise the fuck out of was the flash I suppose this is bizarre video which which is the end of the era when people were even like on board Yeah, and he described his stale on a rival Yeah Liar rival in hindsight By at least multiple as men has had something to say or whatever It is on showing you something that you have seen before but diluted to the barest of Okay, why would you say that use that as a visual? Why are you saying that's diluted? Why would you say that that you're implying that the the version of the green goblin? We got in no way home was a diluted version of the one from the ramy movie and that's nothing I don't think he saw the movie. Well, of course he saw the movie I saw the movie and creamed his pants about it Well, I mean how can how can you watch no way home and then pick out green goblin of all people Yeah, of all the characters in that film be like, yeah, that was diluted kind of water because he because he's bad at his job Yeah, he's seen it. He's there's a reason he's a regular on eFap and we come from as much as we can mentally handle it Because high talk film sucks. He's like all the it's like All the others gastris not all but he's like all the others, you know, he's shit He doesn't think about this. He doesn't script. He focuses on visuals and oh my inflection makes it seem so dramatic Oh my god, here's a picture of a shoe Oh, wow And but he doesn't like think there's no like engaging thought process He's he's on that tier one level of movie, you know consumption It's not like he turned up and just went crazy and punched people like we had Norman we had the conflict we had the The motivation we had like the reveal the The Him realizing that peter realized that he was the one that was behind a lot of this and then the fight scenes like being raw as hell Like I don't I just it's so hard to believe you just like uh diluted like okay You do you All the soul that made it work in the first place Yes, we continue to pay for it. You can week You you gave disney way more money than I did I guarantee you that you would have encouraged other people to give them money Meanwhile, we're sitting here like don't don't go near these fucking projects. Yeah, here. Let's let's go to High top flam. No, sorry Hi top film Spider man I'm so typing is difficult um Spider-man Oh, I shouldn't have said spider-man. I should be no way home because there's more spider-man. No Not me. I'm sorry. He was like no way home I taught film no way home. So one year. No, that's the other one And what's going on? While rags is doing something can I just point out he hasn't really complained about how this killed the multiverse It's like how how multiverse elements grew and spider-man no way home or the flash But the doesn't really kill the multiverse. I think we got in there. Okay We're gonna so he's so his his video on dr. Strange has 291 thousand views And it was a very positive review How many tickets, you know, did that end up generating? You know, it's not like no one watches He's you know, that's a good amount of views. It's appetizing. So you can't yeah, you can't be like, oh, how is this? How? You're making positive reviews sometimes glowing reviews for these movies And you're you're gonna generate a ticket sales from doing that and you can't be like, oh Or there were just there was a player our first spongebob is on a fucking piece of what is it a lure? It's on a fish lure for fishes and that's us He's referencing the opening visual. Yeah, but the the bait thing. Yeah, I am I remember that fried. I was there I was there. Yeah, the rainbow. He's the thing. He's doing the thing and then he's the past past high top in Present high top are enemies and they hate each other and they're there are mortal enemies It is a vicious like trapped in the handle back. Oh that bastard that all comes out that asshole How could he have done this to me? Oh, I with my last breath. I spit at the then the next movie comes I was like, this was really good in a year later. Oh, I can't believe we killed it again. Ah, damn it You smell toast. I don't buy bread Bread bread is I don't buy bread. I sometimes get it coincidentally, but not purposefully I don't know if it's funny. I don't have bread in the house as well The way you said that I don't buy bread. I don't buy bread I haven't bought bread in a long time. What I'm getting here is that rags gets accidental bread that happens to him Sometimes bread product is in things that I get But it's not I don't go in by a loaf Sometimes bread happens Sometimes bread happens I mean, maybe we are starting not to but as soon as Deadpool 3 opens with Logan rising from the dead Or the secret wars trailer ends with an ai generated andrew garfield voiceover the crisis on infinite earth's movie has a Bail batman cameo. We will be in the theater dreaming of a reality Many realities that Probably be right And then it's gonna be terrible I'll be there and then I go back home Do notes and talk about it online. Tell me phil please for the love of god. Don't watch this trash movie I did it. It's not worth your time No, stop. Stop saying we stop it What I think is really crazy Like he's talking about it's like well all we want to do is see these characters yet petitioning for them to be in Are acting as if the Audience wants them to be crossing over with the current version of those characters But I mean the other option is just what like like you were saying about the flash movie Why not just make a michael keaton batman movie if you've got michael keaton for a 200 million dollar or 300 million whatever it was Movie in which batman appears Why don't we just go all in with that Because We'll pay him more and we'll have a better movie and we'll make more money as a result Like I don't I don't know why that seems like it's not an option We're just like we just hope that dead pool is going to show up in a dc film finally Because that'll just be the ultimate cross. It's like what wait. Why? Why don't I just why don't I just want a good dc movie and a good dead pool? And would this video exist if all of this were well made and then it wouldn't Is like I guess not it wouldn't be exhausted. Yes It's exhausting when it's bad and it's always constantly bad. That's why it's exhausting Oh, we can this is another video. Yeah, it's another video in a row where they're they're not like oh because it was shit Have you seen fade unlimited blade works in heavens feel I know that's gonna sound greek I have a limited blade works. Yes. Have you have you seen heavens feel or are you aware of it? I'm aware of it. Yeah, but I have not watched it Okay, so these are two versions of the same story that are based on a video game Which has two major branching paths and they're not crossovers or multiverse things It's just hey, here's the story if the character chooses this path Completely different movie and actually different format because unlimited blade works was a season of a TV two seasons of a TV show Whereas heavens feels three movies and heavens feels like here's that same story from the other path And they're both pretty good very very very different And like everyone people like that So it's like it's not like having separate versions of similar stories is something people will not accept I don't understand the desire for multiverses I think his problem is he doesn't recognize that it's not really the multiverse's problem It's how you execute on how you write the multiverse. Yeah, it's it's like it's like he's almost there But he got the wrong lesson Right in the case with a few videos today that whole like so close but so far. Yeah Yeah, he did mention like creative bankruptcy, but it's just ultimately like even even low creatives could write You know in a way that was coherent Expectations, it's a lame dick joke that we will continue to fall for You will fall for it my friend. I don't like it. We will continue to Is the idea of killing the multiverse then is not like financially but creatively Yes, so There is no point to even doing this shit if it's only to get grandma's money because she won't hang Hang on there's a hell of a lot of meaning to pull out of the interactions pita parker at no way home has with the rabie villains. There is Yeah He already he already conceded that the multiverse matters had things to say about the multiverse So why have we now switched to who's just to grab our buddy? He remembers when michael keaton was batman or because soy boys like me can't get over sam ramy's He admitted We are being shown worst versions of what has come before and clapping while they do it No, what do you mean? Nobody collapsed a fucking flash At the end of flash god damn it I didn't go to the theater and see Mark smart man I feel like we just opened the door to the idea of a cinematic multiverse and yet somehow it's already overdone stale It feels like we want to ship that That's why Shut that damn door. He fucking showed. Oh, man. The worst choice was a multiverse Well, it had multiverse elements, but it wasn't quantum mania the quantum realm barely counts to have kang ship It's just yeah, wow you splitting hairs that's as far as you can like dimensions and an incursion The self-contained stories that actually have something to say you already said m.o.m. I had something to say you can't go back on that Like they all had stuff to say some of it was cringe You have to shut that door or reinvent what's behind it because at this rate soon Every single big budget movie while the cameo from an actor who played the same role Or a mostly forgotten character the 12 year old you once loved when I was 12 Me and my nerdy friends would joke about who would win in a fight keaton or bales batman We would dream of seeing and i refuse to fucking believe that What no way So dramatic the voice. Yeah, tell me why Why Laugh at the idea of lu for eggnose hulk joining forces with ed nordin's but it was all in jest because It was all in jest Was all in jest for sooth On midsummer's eve went's forth Sir, ah It was in jest the second multiverse stuff started happening. He would be shitting all over it He'd just be like, oh my god, they're they're doing the thing. We joked about in the schoolyard. That's so dumb But I guarantee you I I haven't watched much of his stuff But from watching this I guarantee you he was fully on board for a bunch of it I want to ingest some poison right now It was simply I got it. Do you bite your thumb at me, sir? If that ever happened on the slim possibility that it might we knew that those movies would probably Suck but these aren't fantasies of an underdeveloped world. You didn't know that his children The multiverse isn't being used to show us worlds We've dreamt of show us reflections meaningful mirrors to the characters We love it has been taken over by our desire to say it the past instead of looking towards anything new It's still master, but I feel like it is new Pizza decides to do the right thing and it gets one of his closest members of his family killed I feel like that is new especially in like a big budget movie as well Uh, where's the where's the idea that no one wants anything new coming from also What is this we mr I'd be willing to concede by the way the mom is new stuff like it's insane, but it's sure it's new Yeah, what's a movie like multiverse of madness? Quantamania was new I guess The flavors of sludge are different sort of Oh, yeah, they are They're in slightly different barrels Now when you watch gladiator probably in your youth But did you ever think that you would see a film in which rustle crow is playing Zeus in the way he did In Thor lemon thunder. No, not really I sure didn't I think that if you go and I think if you rewatch gladiator you can pick up on some subtle hints and clues that taiko itt left for us to discover He's in the background out of there. You can see him Areas sprinkling clues all over the Coliseum look at that little clue sprinkler. Oh my goodness. Look at that That's actually blue. It's a sign. It's like blues clues like we talked about earlier Yeah, we did that you No, no, I didn't no, I didn't these movies came out He's lying. There's a slander These movies came out we gave no way home of five out of ten. It was all fucking downhill from there I washed my hands of this We are not to blame If anything we cleared the landmines for you to make this shit video You're welcome by the way Who witnessed the scariest episodes of justice league the most ludicrous moments of spider men who was rocked when they first read Crisis on infinite earths who believed in the pure idea that multiple versions of our favorite characters can coexist Always was Like we've almost fucking made it guys I know Every two of time when it's one of these high cell videos, it's always so vacuous that It's Engaged it feels like so little substance is being said Yeah, you know, he's got his eyes closed when he's saying all this But it's hollow it really is I think it is Lofty and vacuous like Superman in space He's been on a couple dates where he showed the girl his video or guy I don't know what he's into but and they were like, oh my god You're reading so poetically and nice and he started playing it up more and more to the point that it's become My doctor octopus Save our world. It was an innocent mistake to believe that all you would understand It wasn't Okay The Salvador dolly man with empty promises that we keep funding Promises promises Stop input not stop Okay And we keep did it and we keep funding them, but it wasn't innocent mistake. So don't worry guys. It's fine. It's like these guys keep funding I'm not taking any responsibility, but we did we we made an innocent mistake though Wow, no more. No more of that. No more of that. No more high I've reached my yearly limit of high time Oh You've toughed out your laptop. Wow. That was that was uh, that was It's just like all the other ones all the other Hello A tough adventure that tests the limits They can't keep getting away with us. They do okay. They do can and do no Um, yes, that's that'll probably signal the end of part two for this Oh my goodness I have set in motion the next But whamen it's got 15 minutes. We got to kill that many minutes. Wait 15 minutes. Oh my god It's not 15 minutes long. 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It's like, hey How about a shit we gotta do guys you fucking serious really you're watching bat woman They're like, oh, did you just do a 24 hours tree? Okay, it's okay. We have a soka at home Where was it? It's fucking three days ago and you expected to be like They want to see us make fun of the orange lady. Okay, you have to understand. I mean, yeah, okay, but like It takes time Yeah They're doing like a 24 hour Stream with multiple like e-fap TVs coming out at the same time It's like, oh, yeah, where's this other additional In the audience it goes It's been quite a day Here's a here's a sort of thought experiment. What's I think we already kind of know what the best video that's been covered so far But what's what's the worst one? I think this was one I can I can understand him choosing that one like in terms of his feelings. I can understand it It's it's really annoying. Yeah, but no, it's it's like, um What was the mario one that one just the film enter one was really rough One after the film enter one Hmm Yeah, I haven't watched the mario one than you guys. So this is my worst one. So oh, yeah, that's true. That's everything on Or that one was tough Mario mario one was tough. What's that? Sorry? Wisecrack is my boat. Oh, yeah. Oh, fuck That was during that one. I don't I don't know Completing them was really bad too just telling one and the other one that introduced lewis to the world Yeah, I don't like the wisecrack one where they had dlc for is that it the dlc for uh, Nebula, dude Yeah, that wasn't the worst one. Uh, that one there was some valid general writing advice being provided. It was just a very Uh, bizarrely structured confused video as opposed to being like just riddled with flaws I mean, yeah, the wisecrack one was that was the one that I found like that's embarrassing I would be embarrassed if I were attached to that at a like in a production There was there was very limited amount of original arguments being presented in that video very little wisdom We're being presented. We're just from what looked like a blog like I'm not aware of that website Is that like a reputable news site or something like am I am I under selling it? You know, when you talk when you talk about like the value of uh, ethical like the value of Oh, that's funny. That's great. Yeah, I had to end on that. Weepy times Must be nice Oh, we'll be welcomed into that wonderful realm soon enough rags. We're gonna make it Oh, look at that all of the words on screen from the The schnee Saved German for snow by the way Well, then what do you call your knees then if schnee is snow knee Knee What? Yeah, you hurt me. No, I didn't actually you schooled you what? Knee Knee. Yeah. Oh, it's almost spelled the same as well. It's k and i e instead of k and e Oh, yeah, that's why I asked because of the confusion. I was just I don't make sense now. Yeah checking Yep, I think it all adds up. This is a this is a valid and sound argument Um, let's see, uh, wow, here we are. What time is it for you? It's 10 a.m. For me. That's pretty cool It's five p.m. That's exciting four oh five for me It's an am or pump. That'd be the pump It's now it's Monday now. It's Monday Oh It's 11. It's still Sontag for me. Oh, oh Oh, yeah It's Monday Monday Monday I think it's I imagine that off to the break it will start to get a bit more re-analyzed Uh, I said, how long I could go eat the direction after the break Well, actually here's how long is the uh, how long is the the old fat woman? That is a fantastic question And I know that there are people All right, here we go. We gotta work together as a team I know there are people who know how to find out how long a video is before it even for me is Can anyone do that? I don't know how you do it with what magic, but people can like, I don't know Yes cast your spells. Yes your wizard spells This guy would be someone here who knows how to do it because I've seen people do it before So use use your magical powers I don't know So is it 35 minutes? It's like Maybe Can we make it more? You want it to be more? As if it's more than that's the logger of further away we are from ending the the anniversary as well, you know in total Well, it's just such high quality content. I just want more of it. I want to eat it up like a delicious strudel Yum Up on yum Let's see. So it's a little play it twice Interesting so you can miss all the easter eggs and subtle Jokes that you missed the first time on that battleman episode It was so long ago. It was so long ago. It was like another life It was dark back then and now it's light again dark I wait this isn't a Gotham Knights reaction. They're on the way The Gotham Knights reaction and we have beautiful High tier knights I'm so glad we watched Gotham Knights. It was so good It was so good. Finally good show. I was saying the whole time. I'm like, oh finally some good Batman content. Yep My favorite part was on Batman beat the Riddler and the penguin when they teamed up to stop Gotham from being Hey, hey mohler. Hey mohler. Yes. Hey mohler. Yes. Your bat is dead What'd you say? Your bat is dead Yeah Many times we'll have to see this before I die. Your bat is dead. Who killed Batman? It was Skeletor You know for a fact this the show would have been easy 10 seasons if they had actually brought Skeletor in I'm gonna be honest. I was not uh, I was not expecting Skeletor to kill Batman, but I want Skeletor to come in and avenge Batman. They looked through the broken window They could just see him do his little run Your bat is dead. He man He wasn't a bat at all. He was a little pussy I think it was a hundred percent man Oh, someone did the thing and found out it's 36 minutes and eight seconds the video Okay There's a solid amount of time to stretch them leg arenos Yep, yep I think I'll I'll head up guys, but if I'm still awake and this stream is still going maybe I can hop in Sure, maybe Yeah, it's like it's like 11 thumb here. So I'm on the home stretch Thank you for having me happy anniversary guys. Thank you I hope that 100 year EFAP rain will continue. So Congratulations guys and uh, I'll see you guys later if I can drop by so Yeah, we will see you later you guys Bye. Bye. See you later Yeah, exactly. I agree with every word you just said When is Moodle hot tub stream metal or we're looking at Someone from my chat I think it's a fair question. I think you dodge it. You just try to dodge it because you still want to admit that that's I think hot dogs are way too expensive Wow Have you thought about that? Oh Just fill your room with hot water. Yeah, I know that seems a bit destructive Get it all Yesterday where some guy was doing this NPC stuff and he's cracked up like he started laughing. He couldn't keep it together That was kind of funny Like what's doing is this shenanigans and they just started laughing I see Tough tough crowd I see. All right. This is not a crowd This is not a crowd. There are six of us and three of us are Arguably not even present It is that kind of time where things start to phase you phase it and out and You sort of phase through the multi you're gonna walk through walls Yeah, this is appearing. Maybe I will I'm not doing an npc. Do you think if you do an npc stream is like really successful the first time you just Like I'm gonna do another one melson. I'm just like this dumb gang gang and then he gets 10,000 viewers. He's like, what? Oh, what the gang gang There's got to be a number that would make a lot so yum There's totally enough to make it worth it. But could you deal with losing that much dignity? I don't know It would have to be an amount that it's like well, but if I do this for a week I can I can retire and like have my Like I can be financially secure for the rest of my life I'd be like well at this point. It's irresponsible if I don't do it. So I don't know. What is the correct choice? Yeah, we did all of this on the first stream. Okay. We had all those questions We're never doing it again Oh, yeah, a trolley problem. That didn't even mean to I think that's gonna go down seriously It's like one of the favorite highlights for the fans that part that part was insane Everybody's shouting about like what should be done shame. They're useless and we should stop doing them, but What the trolley problem? Oh, yeah, because why is crack that that that was that was well argued Yeah, that video we covered yesterday that was that was video number two, right? Was it was a three was a two glad we knocked that one out. It was three. Yeah, it was three. Yeah Completing games. I gotta say I was not expecting that second one to be about like childhood trauma You have to complete video games. Otherwise, there's something wrong with you Like My happy friends finish this game What them bullies told you it ain't true you can do whatever you want. You can be the man you want to be You don't have to complete those video games Oh boy, you don't have to get that thousand g Gg When they added dlc's they'd add like 250 g on you'd be like, oh my god Now it's a 1,250 g game How do you spell dlc gang gang See it That's kind of yeah So, um, let me see. Where does that what is uh, where does that leave us? What what exactly is the what's our situation here? I'm trying to get a lay of the oh, we'll solve that out in a moment We'll uh, because we're about to start up the batwoman episodes. We'll be heading off The moment we get that big ol You know that wonderful sound Yeah, the only thing about that one, but that would be better Tell me that wouldn't improve youtube That would make youtube better And it would make you loud not again It would improve everything it touches Um, let me see What is what what's what's chat thinking about? Let's see. This guy said social anxiety and therapy. That's true Moller is going insane guys. How dare you maybe It's already insane. I was thinking those noises. It was referencing the premiere video. I'm not that crazy. I wasn't just doing random Show, okay Wow Premier will begin shortly Yeah, yeah chatter I am going to be watching the wrestling in about two hours. That is right. Wow. You're gonna ditch us for the wrestling Yeah, that's been planned for a while. It's all fucked up You'd rather watch a bunch of sweaty guys touching each other's most intimate areas while Rolling around on the floor in front of millions of people. I see how it is It's it's in the in the Wembley stadium. It's a really big show Actually what I'm actually meant to go there in person But I'm sure it's a lot so didn't let me buy any tickets This is one of the very few sanctioned e-fap double chat moments Oh, it's starting up. All right, you will get in there and you watch yourself some fat man We will be back soon enough I tried to warn you man. I tried to warn you Tried and failed In the in the chat and uh, yeah, we'll be back for part three Which will be x amount of time from now and it will last x amount of time. Bye. Bye Bye. Bye. See you later