 the April 18th, 2022 regular select board meeting to order with us is Flo Smith, Joe Stahl, Vince Conti is with us, Vlaia Zoom, kinda, and Diane Isabel. Let's see here. Additions or changes to the agenda? You're muted. I'd like to add the Fisher Road aving on there. We received that from Pike this week, just recently, just four April minutes are in the package. They've been added since the agenda came out. Okay. Any public comment? Anything else? Any public comment? Hearing none. Rainbow Bridge Community Center request for ARPA funding? Greg Forvis was supposed to be joining tonight, but he hasn't. Has not joined. There is a letter that explains it in your package. Community Center. Let the record show that. Join us. Join the meeting. Don't have a good excuse here. I should have just skipped around the golf. I played just before. They're not either or here. No, they're not. We'll skip on to Center Vermont Runners Club permit. There's a copy of it in your package. Please don't forget to sign it if you approve it tonight. It's for the yearly race that they hold on a junction road. Are they going UK to put up their signs beginning and everything? Yeah. It's their 44th annual 10k road race. Have a motion on that? I make the motion to approve the 44th annual road race by Central Vermont Runners and the special event permit that we have in our packet. All the details included and the date of the event is June 11th, 2022. They have an estimated attendance of 100. Time of the event is from 9 a.m. to 10.30 p.m. 10.30 a.m. Here a second. A second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Board reappointments. This is a little bit lengthy, but we've had some, again, that have been expired for some time that we've reached out to. They're still interested in being on these boards and we have some new ones as well. For example, the Economic Development Committee. So in your packet, there is a package of a page and a quarter of all the appointments that are expired or expiring or due to be reappointed, including also the Tree Warden. Mr. Wilcox, Dave Wilcox, has expressed his interest and he is certainly very qualified for that role as well. So you'll see him there on there also. If you have any questions with any of the specifics, please just let me know. Other than that, it's pretty straightforward. To reappoint these folks, I suppose we should do them by board. I make the motion to approve Randy Herring to March 2023 for the Cemetery Commission. A second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Central Vermont Fiber. I make the motion for Jeremy Hansen to continue through March 2023 for Central Vermont Fiber. A second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. And as an alternate, Jerry D'Amatidis to March 2023 also for Central Vermont Fiber. Second. Any discussion? Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Before we go on, can I ask a question? Sure. So with the names and the rest of these boards, does that make the boards folder we're not sure anyone? No. Okay. There are still some vacancies and I'll continue to keep those posted and updated on our website as well. For example, the Economic Development Committee is a board of five and we're just restarting that. We have three. So there's two right there. Yeah. Most of the others are, there may be one on the Public Works Board, but most of them, I think with the exception of the Cemetery Commission are within one person of being phoned. Okay. Thank you. And I can, I'll get those details out for you. I make the motion to reappoint Bob Warnick through March 2023, Karla Nuisel through March of 24, John Frederick, March of 2024 and Tour Nelson through March of 2025. You're second. I second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Planning Commission. I make the motion to approve Tony Snow through March of 2025 and Amanda Smith through March of 2024. I second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Public Works Board. I make the motion to approve Rob Allen through March of 2024 and Ted Long through March of 2023. You're second. I second. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Recreation and Parks Committee. I make the motion to approve Mike noise through March of 2023, Jeffrey Farrell through March of 2023 and Hannah Connor through March of 2024. Second. I second. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Representative to the Transportation Committee at Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission. I hereby recommend Bob Warnick continue through March of 2023 with a representative to oh that's separate or is it also the representative to the Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission for CVRPC Rob Warnick March of 2023. I second. Any discussion? Hearing none. Those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Alternate. And the alternate rep would be Carla Neweasel through March of 2023. Second. Any discussion on that? Hearing none. All in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Representative to the Central Vermont Solid Waste Management District. I make the nomination for Matt Levin through March of 2023 to continue. Second. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Economic Development Committee. I make the motion to have Roberta Matt Paskin through March of 2023, Theron Lay Sleeper through March of 2023, and Wayne Lamberton also through March of 2023. Second. Any further discussion? Yes, I'd actually like to contribute. I'm not sure how active the committee is, but I have spoken with former select board chair Pat McDonald and she's interested in participating or contributing to the Economic Development Committee in some way. So if that's an active board, I don't know if they could contact her or... I'll take care of that. I'll reach out to her and I'll get her on here for an appointment at the... What's the next meeting? What's the membership on that board? Five. Okay. Wonderful. Thank you, Carp. Any other discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries and for Tree Warden. I make the motion for Dave Wilcox through March of 2023 as our Tree Warden here in Berlin. Second. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Okay. Audit, RFPs, review and discussion, Diane? Okay. So this is for audit services, right? And I think Diane may want to speak a little bit about this and the need and the urgency to move forward for those auditing services. We've had Father Gil and Sigali now for six years. There's only like two firms in the area that are doing it that I'm aware of right now and since the term is up we need to get somebody immediately because I have to be able to coordinate with that person so they'll have the audit done time. So as soon as we can send it out and I do believe that we will be having a single audit as well which will add to the cost. In this past year, the audit was $18,000 and that's basically, I think we have like maybe 19 in the budget for next year, not exactly so. So you're also to send the RFPs out? Yep. There's copies of the draft. It looks basically, it's almost word for word from the last one that was actually used. So yep, I just need the board's approval to proceed with that and we'll send it out for somewhere between three and five RFPs. We'll send out to get some proposals back. Can I have a motion to put out the RFP for the audit review? I make the motion to move forward with the audit RFP as presented to us this evening for review. Your second second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. In the cleaning RFP. That one's a joyful read if you'd like to. That's pretty extensive. The reason for that is again trying to standardize and make them reasonably professional RFPs that go out. We have someone that has expressed interest in bidding already. So we'll have that person and the current person as well. But I'd like to find a couple more for the cleaning services for here and for the police. You know, in talking with the staff, there's been a fair number of issues that they're not entirely happy with the services that we're currently getting and paid for. And it's due to go out anyway. So again, the one thing I'm waiting on for this RFP because it's so extensive is our attorney's review of it to make sure that it's in line with what we need. But it's very extensive. It even has a list of what they do and how many times a week they do that as part of the service to commit to. So I do expect the cost to go up a little bit because it's a little more extensive. We're asking them to clean a little bit more and, you know, take care of things here. So what you were not happy with the last contract, has that been addressed in this RFP? Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. This one, there wasn't a real contract per se with any detail to it. For the last one, this one is pretty detailed. Okay. Motion on that to put out the RFP for the cleaning services? I make the motion to go forward with putting out the RFP for the cleaning services as presented. After lawyers approval? Yes, after lawyers approval. You are here a second? Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Local emergency management presentation. Hi, Bruce. Good evening, Bruce. Good evening, everyone. It's that time of year again that the state requires that we submit a updated or revised local emergency management plan. It's just our checklist of the people we would contact, where the local shelters are, that sort of thing. Every year we do a review to make sure that the numbers are up to date and have the right contacts in there. And so that's what we've submitted for your approval tonight. So, Bruce, just so you're aware, right? They received a copy of that electronically and flow you have a copy since you're the only one that has gone through the testing that is certified to sign that. There's a copy there for you to sign. And where is the copy to review right now? I don't see it in the packet. There's one copy on the table with a red flag on it for your signature. Okay. Very good. What testing and certification is that that you took? I was just going to ask one question of Vince first is when is the last time that the testing needs to have been done to make sure that I'm valid in signing? That's a great question that I don't know the answer to. I have to look that up. I consistently took it up through, I want to say 2019. But I haven't since maybe in 20, but it would be right in that vicinity. From my perspective, the there's no expiration date for that. There's no requirement for retesting. I think it's a good idea to have it at least every years because some of that information if it's not used regularly, except like an emergencies. But there's nothing in my to my knowledge that anybody's ever said that you have to have that a certain within a certain time period. Excellent because I know I've done three to five of them and I did them consistently and renewed them. But I'm just not certain. So that's good to know. Good to know. They're trainings that you can do online and when I was at the transportation agency, they were required and they were required consecutively every certain amount of years. And then when I moved to a different position, I just continued to do it. But I think it was 19 or 20 the last time I did. So I know the name of the ICS. ICS, yes. So 100, 200, 300. I think I did 501 and a few others. I think I've taken 102. Excellent. Great. That's wonderful. I avoided taking any more after taking those two. But those are those don't really expect it. I think it's good to know. I think it's strongly encouraged to review to review. I know some of them I've done multiple times. It's just remembering whether it was 19 or 20 when I last renewed them. And everybody had a chance to go over the. Merging management plan and your names and contact notes. If so, I entertain a motion on this and make the motion to approve the local emergency management plan as presented to us by Bruce Richardson. And also we have the backup documentation here with us as well. And we'll sign off on that tonight if it's approved. Your second. I'll second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? I motion carries. Anything else you need, Bruce? No, that's it. Just a thanks to the chief for becoming the emergency management director for the town. Okay. Thank you, Bruce. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Thank you. The town. What we're pregnant. Okay. So I know we're gonna be sending out an RFP. We haven't already because we feel that we are gonna be needing a reappraisal. The last time we had reappraisal was 2008. So I went back and looked it up to see what the fees were. And then I wanted to just discuss how much money we have when we count. So back in 2008 and in 2009, we spent $133,549.71. That's what we spent for fees to, I think it was the company that we use right now. We want the one that we were using right now anyways. So we spent $133 for them. Then we also at that time had listers on the payroll. And they did a lot of work on it as well. And so I just included their salaries just so that we have a basis. So it looks like $60,495 is what we paid them. So I'm saying all in all that for the 2008, we spent $194,000 basically. And then after that, there's a few fees, another like $5,500 worth of fees that we had to spend for appeal expense we had to spend with the state. Okay. So that's how much we're looking at. So now we bring it up to the current day. And I don't know how many properties they looked at at that time. And not find that I just found the numbers that we spent. So what I did is looked at the 411 report for last year, which gives us how many properties we have. So I'm showing for commercial industry, we have like 220 properties, mobile homes 199. Now mobile homes, we don't have to do again, because we did that like two years ago. And then residential and others 1,059. So that's many properties we have. And right now, we have in our reappraisal fund and the reserve 225,000. So I think we have a good amount there. Then what I did is I knew that Berrytown had done a reappraisal last year. So I looked at their newsletter to see if I could compare to, you'll see how much they spend to compare to them. They have about 3,500 properties, which obviously is a lot more than us. And as of August of last year, they spent 214,000. So I do feel that the 225,000 we have is adequate. And obviously, before we do have another reappraisal, we will be adding at least another 13,000, maybe $26,000 to that number. And like I said, we've already done the mobile homes and we won't have to do those again for another few years. So just to make you aware, that's money we have. And I'll just keep you updated as time goes along. Great dad. If the board approves going out for RFP tonight, we'll get that out. I would expect somewhere between three to six months to make a selection. And then probably another and correct me if I'm wrong, Diane, probably another 12 to 18 months before they're even going to get us on the schedule for reappraisal. So we're looking at reappraisal, probably actually two years out, based on what's going on around around. I think Barry Towns is actually or Barry City's just scheduled one and it's a year and a half out or something 18 months or two years. So how much how much money is the state paying for law for I don't know how much it is per parcel. But I can tell you that this past year, we received $13,200. And that's right around the amount that we receive each year. So the year before that was 13,269 and the year before that 13,760. So I can't tell you how much it is per parcel just based on this. But that's what we've been getting each year for the last three years. Have you heard anything about them raising the amount per parcel? Nope. No, I get very little information on that. So you're looking for an RFP on this? You have to go out? Yeah. Yeah, I thought you had one. I have a motion. I make the motion to move forward with the townwide reappraisal and all that is needed to move that forward. Here a second. Second. Any further discussion on this? How how much expected to cost after this reappraisal? How much would you expect it to cost how much you think we're going to put into the pot to get our balance backed up? Before we had a surplus and we took in we were putting I think about 10,000 years. We did for others. Yeah, quite a few years that I saw that we had done that. But not every year. You know, I think we stopped doing it actually. 10,000 stopped in 2013. Well, we had we had a surplus. Well, we figured we had enough. Right. Yes. And that's why that is why. So I don't know how much we'll end up spending. I'd like to think it won't be like 250,000. It should be a lot less than that considering what Berrytown spent. And they have a lot more properties in this. I'm not knowing. Obviously, after the RFP, we will know a lot more at that point in time. And then we can really plan ahead. Okay. Because usually, you know, reappraisal, you don't do that more than, you know, once in 10 years or more. Well, does the state put out any guidelines? How often they want it done? No, what they do is they send you information on when they do this post the CLA. They'll tell you where you stand at that point in time. And I know the last year that they have written in their letter that they were recommending we start looking at that. What's our CLA at now? Last time I heard it was like 100 percent or 105 or something like that. I don't have it right here. But they're saying if it's, you know, if it's way over 100%, you should do a reappraisal. If it's like 85% or less, you should do a reappraisal. So since we were over that mark, they're saying we should reappraisal. And just, I think the CLA is going to change tremendously because of the sale of the homes last year have just been so much higher than what we've appraised these homes for. And a lot of them have sold for a lot more than the appraisal that we have. Okay. Thank you, Diane. All those in favor of the motion? Aye. Motion carries. Now is probably a good time to do your additions. Yes, sir. So in your packet, there is a quote for Fisher Road Paving for us. The timing is good. We did reach out to a couple others. Hutchins comes to mind. They didn't bid. So nobody else bid. Pike is prices are going up like everything else. They also have some work from last year that they need to do early spring for us as well. So they can, if we get approval tonight, they can get that on the schedule, probably to pave buyer before the end of May on Fisher Road. The only question that I have is I see on it, it says that the price is valid through March 18th of 22. Yeah, we've talked about that. So what would that change in terms of the pricing if this is only valid? Oh, this is going to stay the same now. That quote will stay the same. We've talked to them about that. Excellent. So this is for just at the Fisher Road. That's just for Fisher Road. The others have already been approved. They just didn't get it scheduled last year. Okay. And they're holding those prices. No increases. So you sent a number of them out and Pike was the only one that answered. Yep. Okay. I make the. When does this have to be, when does this have to be approved as soon as possible to get to get it scheduled for May? Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. I make the motion to approve the bid from Pike Industries Incorporated. They were the only company that did bid and they are going to hold the price of $46,780.20 and I make the motion that we move forward with that bid. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? All right. Motion carries because I have one thing that I did forget to add before we get to that and that's the chief is here. He wants to share a few things with the board tonight as well. So to help supplement our training program, we kind of focus on the high liability areas, use of force, driving, motor vehicle stuff in our firearms. So I've been looking out for alternative ways to supplement our program. One of those is to kind of get into technology. There's a lot of digital type of technology, virtual reality, if you will, to supplement people's firearm program. They vary widely in cost. I think one of the last people that I spoke to is close to $100,000 for virtual reality firearms training program. A lot of that type of programming is you have to pay per user. So in that case, they want on us to pay like $100, $200 per officer per month to maintain this program so they could log in on their own and keep track of their own training records. So a lot of this technology is, it's a subscription essentially. You have to pay for month-to-month or year-to-year. I was able to find a program called Dark Technologies that have a mobile projection system that gives us a lot of the opportunities that the other virtual reality programs does like a fraction of the cost. This program allows you to take essentially a laptop and a small projector and bring it anywhere. For instance, I could bring it in here, project it on the back of the wall, and would run officers through firearm simulations. You can include anything from range type of training to work on very basic firearm skills like sight alignment, trigger pull, those type of things, to actual use of force scenarios where you have to use de-escalation skills which is a critical skill that the state is really hammering these days. So it allows us to work anywhere from the basics to the more advanced stuff. It has a lot of benefits in that because it's so mobile, easy to set up, any one of our officers can use it. You can take 10 minutes, 15 minutes at the end of shift, beginning of shift, or run them through a scenario, work on skills. If someone's struggling at the range, for example, a couple times a week, you can come in 15 minutes early shift, literally put something up on the wall and work on basic skills. It is very difficult to get all of us as a department up at the range to do any kind of meaningful training. It can be difficult because of the weather. Basically nine months out of the year, we're not really able to get up to the range because weather ammunition is extremely expensive these days and there's a long wait out for it. We take up to six to nine months for us to get ammunition so it is not feasible or realistic for us to go up to the range and use actual animal every time you want to train or supplement our training. This gives us an opportunity to really give us a bonus and help us out with those areas. It is a little non-pricy side. It runs in just under $10,000. I think they quoted me at about $9,800. They're add-ons that are fairly inexpensive that you can add on after that such as a rifle and other pistols so you can do partner drills and various other technology that we can look at down the road if we're able to buy into this. There's no subscription fee once they give it to us. It's ours, which is a huge plus. We can bring it with us anywhere. We can bring it over to school, practice like after-shooter type of training. We can literally put that to the top of the stairway and practice officers going up the stairway and encountering some kind of threat or situation. Put it out into a garage and have officers run through what it's like to get out of a car and engage someone. So there's a lot of mobility and versatility to the program that would be beneficial to us that we really couldn't get anywhere else. So I sent out a link to events and I'm not sure if anybody got a chance to look at it but it does run you what through what the program does and what the simulator is capable of doing. A lot of small PDs have signed on to it just because it's so versatile and relatively inexpensive when compared to the alternatives. This sounds like something that a lot of departments must use. Is there any potential for a grant for a purchase? We have asked for it in a grant. We have a technology grant right now that we've submitted a bunch of items that the PD needs but it's a shot in the dark. Excuse the pun to whether or not we're going to get that grant. We have some money in our training budget that could that would help offset the cost of it. But the answer is yes there's money out there for grants we have applied for them but one I have no idea when this grant might be accepted even if we were looking probably at a year out and the chances of us getting a small PD like we are are pretty small. Then sir are funds usable for this? Yes they are. What's the total cost to you? About $9,800 just short of $10,000. Per person? That's the whole unit. That will get us up and running for the whole PD. How much would you do? I'm sorry there's no monthly subscription unlike all these other programs once we get that we've got all the software all the equipment we need to be up and running. You have access to software updates? Yeah all that stuff. If we want additional modules for training that does cost us additional money but they do give us a basic like 30-module training program that would get us up and going anything beyond that we'd have to buy whatever the package is. Do you have any network connection with any other force that's using this current this dark technology? There are variations on this technology. Adam used to have a simulator. That's not something that's readily available to us. Other agencies that might have simulators such as this where it's just a scheduling issue getting down there. Well I was more thinking whether or not you know like on Amazon I always read the comments if I'm going to buy a new swimming pool or whatever so I've had several conversations with this salesperson and the others that I've dealt with. There's real low pressure sales pitch, these former law enforcement are the people that train the program or former law enforcement. So I had, they're out of the floor so my experience with them has been good and very professional that's really the only thing I can say about it's pretty basic software. They just happened to kind of tailor it towards law enforcement. They have a lot of military contracts. Would they be willing to give you a demo before you purchased it or like so let to let you or other officers try it or community members or select members because it sounds pretty cool. Yeah I can check but because they're out of Florida I think the logistics of that are probably pretty difficult. It's not uncommon to do training and evaluation, testing and evaluation but I think just because the logistics it would be difficult. But once we had it up here I love that. We would too. What would you consider your savings would be with a program such as this in terms of the ammunition? It's hard to compare because we're not doing the training because we're not going to go out and use real ammo but I probably $50 for a box of ammo these days. The time to get up to the range so we're looking at several $100 at least for just a couple hours of training that we don't do currently. We go up to the fire arms twice fire arms range twice a year and that's the only fire arms training we do just because it's logistically difficult to do anything else. Occasionally we piggyback on the very city they do active shooter training once a year in simunitions and that's always really valuable training but I can only afford to send one or two officers at a time like this year Sergeant Montee was the only one that I could send because of our staff in a program like this Sergeant could stay over 15 minutes we'll be on coming shift and work through some scenarios and it would cost us nothing. How many users were this handle? Two currently and we could buy a bunch of modules fire our modules from here on out to run through different types of scenarios. I mean how many how many officers can use this all of them all of them so it's I thought you meant at the same time currently yeah so unlike other systems that I've looked at there's no like you every officer I've got to pay an initial do a subscription for this is it we can do whatever we want with the program as we get maybe even suggest that you could go to bring it down to very city and let them run through and they don't they don't care if they desire us to do with what we want. I get you. You wouldn't necessarily stop going to the range. No not at all. Right so this is this is just supplementing. In the training council pretty much every other year kind of increases the difficulty of our firearms training and certification which is good we should but it's ever challenging to meet those new certifications when we really don't have an opportunity to train other than here you are here the new certifications good luck we don't have any opportunity to kind of do in-house training before that annual training every year. Do you know if there's any savings through VLTC on this through our insurance? Um not that specifically I don't I don't know that it's going to cost they probably wouldn't be any savings to us insurance wise they do have grants that will cover risk management type of things like body armor and our cameras I don't think it would cover anything like this. In looking at this as far as how much money you have left we had we had budget eight thousand dollars and we spent thirty three hundred dollars so far do you think you'll spend anything else before the end of this year on training? Maybe a couple hundred dollars a year in there but I can't send the officers to training. That right there is like okay if I subtract the thirty three oh nine that's forty six ninety one that we have left over and then you are saying as far as the bullets go I think we spent like two hundred and something dollars on bullets okay we had twenty four twenty five hundred dollars that we budgeted so that looks to me to be you know basically six seven thousand dollars that we have available in our budget for this year. Fiscal year? Yeah fiscal year twenty two and since we're almost done I can't imagine that these numbers will get much larger so that's something to consider. So jeep you feel you can get this purchase this out of your existing budget in the incoming budget? Do you think you could negotiate with them some on the pricing? No I think they gave us their rock bottom starting price. I explained the situation to them working bare bones. They threw in like a extra rifle simulator I think to kind of offset the cost a little bit. Swing the teeth. I see potential for something like this obviously for training it's helpful for preparedness but recruitment and retention because it's something that is you know making the officers better officers and it's interesting. I am trying to think outside the box. Fun to me actually to do. There's a benefit to that to make it not so stressful but someone who's inexperienced on the range for the firearm in their hand it can be a stressful experience but this is a way to get people to be a safe environment there's really no stress involved and get the fundamentals down but you're right it has potential to be a recruiting tool and I'm trying to think outside the box as far as training goes. So what are you looking for from the board here? Just the green light to go ahead and purchase this because it is on the pricier side. So it's over the $5,000 Yeah. Got you. I don't know if we need to put this on the next one and warn it or not it's money that you already have so we'll take a risk here and I have a motion on this. So are we putting it on the next meeting? I'm warning it or just making a motion now? Yeah because I mean the monies are being approved so it's just the it's over $5,000 I think chief needs would like to have us stand behind him on this. And we will be over budget for about $2,000 from everything I'm hearing. I think we'll be over budget by about $2,000 from what he's saying. For this year's funds. Yes. But if you end up having it next year I don't know when you're going to get this do you think it'll be an FY22 or do you think it'll be in July of next year or this year? What time do we actually get to get it? I'm shooting for this year. In June? Before July Before July, correct. So then we would be over budget by at least a couple thousand. But then it would be made up with a new budget. Or some funds really doesn't work that way. There's also some money left over in our equipment budget I think police equipment. Yeah we do. We have a few grand there. Yep PD fund I guess $6,000. And this may not be possible but I'll throw this out for discussion is there any money or any entity through the state that might be willing to assist us given everything you've been doing at Hilltop etc etc etc I was tempted to send the commissioner of children and family services an invoice for a call out we had this weekend but I guess not in good form so I'm afraid from doing that. Understood. So I make the motion to go forward with the presentation by our chief of the police department to go forward with the mobile projection firearms simulation. Most of the money for it is in the budget already FY 22 and if I have it pronounced properly dark realities. Yeah. Yes. At a cost of approximately $9,800 to $10,000. With add-ons and there is a technology grant that has been applied for and some funds could possibly come out of that as well. Here's a second. Any further discussion on this? All those in favor? All right. All right, but motion carries. Thank you for your forward thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's exciting. Should be exciting. Reserves some time on there chief for Carl. Yeah. Is there anything else as far as additions? Vince? No, that's it. Okay. Uh, approval, licenses, permits, vouchers. I would just ask for the paperwork. It's probably at the front of that purple finder at the very top inside. I had a chance to look at it. So I haven't seen it. Thank you. I make the motion to approve payroll warrant 22-21 for payroll from March 27th of this year through April 9th of 2022 paid on April 13th, 2022 in the amount of $49,000 $244.69 payable warrant 22G20 with checks 21 937 to 21 971 in the amount of $48,590.92 and the Vita ACH payment number one for Fisher Road Culvert Project in the amount of $20,518.02 the March trial balance report March budget status report and the March general journal entries. In your second? In your second? Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. The motion carries approval of minutes from 21st of February March 7th, 2022 and March 21st, 2022 and March 24th, 2022 and the add-on for April minutes for April 4th, 2022 Make a motion that we accept the minutes as written Second Any other discussion? If not, those in favor? Aye. Motion carries and round table Yeah, and this is just maybe thinking outside the box and thinking about our departments being taxed with the hilltop and I'm not real familiar with that facility but do they have a conference room? Have any type? They do. They do. You know we're thinking about dealing with that and it is part of our community and they are whether they're placed here or they move here they choose here they're still part of our community. We're thinking about and reacting to that location with law enforcement but maybe there's something the state would be more willing to contribute to than law enforcement after the fact and I was thinking if they have a conference room it would make sense because a lot of what the Chief described to us happening there is because of substance abuse conflict management anger management maybe possible counseling needs that maybe the state would be willing to contribute in a way to have some type of daily or weekly or whatever possible group therapy sessions for anger management substance abuse counseling there as far as you know anything like an alcoholics anonymous or or anything that the state would be willing to contribute to facilitate and I was thinking even I'm sure there are a lot of faith-based churches or or synagogues or or whatever that would be willing to go there and offer up something as a way to preemptively prevent the difficulty for our for our police department so it's just an idea I had and wanted to share it with the rest of the board to to think about you know there's there there are people there and they are our neighbors right now and you know we can either try to help them or we can just look to at them as a problem you know and unfortunately it is a difficulty for our police department but maybe there's a way we can take that burden off without it having to be law enforcement doing it it's a good suggestion I know that the hospital used to do many of those types of training not sure if they still do but I think I think it's definitely worth looking into further you know and I'm thinking you know if the state has pizza and soft drinks to attract people to go to these meetings or or whatever you know sometimes all it takes is a seed planted to to help somebody make good decisions in in a time where they may not otherwise without hearing that bit of wisdom from somebody that cares then can you get a hold I have are you in the chief you get a hold of children family services and see if they be willing to sponsor something like that yeah anything else Cara I'm not sure if it's roundtable but I would like to just throw this out there again we're we're going to be coming upon a situation because of the resignation of our town clerk where we may have the opportunity to because we're appointing a position or two possibly to really structure and I know we don't have dominion over that position but we can structure at least when we're appointing our job description our expectations of the appointed town clerk and if it's a new assistant town clerk it may be an opportunity for us to really structure those job descriptions in a way that we make the town office more of a team and working together to complete all of the missions that that we need completed to have a successful town and I am thinking of Diane's being overwhelmed and doing a great job by the way but I'd love to think that you weren't you know thrown on an island by yourself and if you needed help that maybe it could come from other individuals in that in that area really defining what our dream before we appoint a town clerk and an assistant town clerk if if those two positions or maybe just one of them or become open what we would like them to do if we are to appoint them I think the state's pretty well spelled that out for us yeah because most of the town clerks do their statue yeah yeah well if you look at other towns though their structures are quite different than ours and and and our town clerk and our assistant town clerk typically there's an overlap where the treasurer is the clerk assistant clerk and the clerk is the assistant treasurer in most towns and I looked at quite a few just to see how it worked in other places so just have to make sure they're comfortable to burl in yeah maybe you know with the a large economic base right we can't tell an elected town clerk what we want but if we're going to appoint somebody we can give them a list of expectations what we hope they do when we appoint them so at this one opportunity we have a chance to to move the ball in a good direction anything else go that's it full I would just like to open up for just the conversation that I still would like to go forward with us having a conversation with Rosemary and perhaps even Corrine if if they both would would do so and just have an open discussion you know to foster the communication between both entities in terms of going forward because I really respect as you said at the last meeting everything Rosemary has done for us as well as Corrine Diane does a fabulous job and I know that we respect everything they do and I want them to know that as well and they've got a lot of knowledge that they can bring forward and impart upon us and I welcome that anything else that's it Joe well I guess I would echo the topic you know that's that date is coming coming soon and I guess she Rosemary could could take her resignation letter back probably in time but we should plan for that and I think the conversation between the board and the two or as individuals would be well worth having Vince two questions based on the board's round table one for Carl is that a template position something that you want me to draft something for you guys to review that includes the statutes and and thoughts just to prompt thought on the board's behalf so you can look at it and add and delete as you feel necessary is that something that you're looking for me to do or would you like to initiate it and then share it with Vince and then we all could have input I do it either way I guess you're I'm sure you're more knowledgeable exactly but and I'd be I'd be willing to research it and put more it in where you could do it better all right I'll come up something and I'll work with you directly on it I'll definitely decide from there bring it to the side from there if you want to bring it to the rest of the board or however I want the pro side second question is similar topic based on what the flow brought up is for the conversation with the board with the town clerk is that something that you want me to put on an upcoming agenda and invite her to or down to okay most definitely I'll get that on the agenda thank you in both regards in the executive session expecting Vince oh sir motion to adjourn I haven't seen this in there do we need to discuss that at all it was in the packet to indicate about putting it on the next agenda or was that just for our knowledge swim lesson the swim lessons or the swim lessons this is for to this round table that's right okay yeah because we talked about it earlier I just forgot to talk a little bit about it sorry yeah the swim lessons the town in the past had put like $1500 in for swim lessons on the budget but the last two years we have not done anything for a budget and obviously the last two years especially there were no swim lessons actually it was your wife and myself that used to work on the swim lessons together all the time so now we have a rec board that wants us to consider paying for the swim lessons we don't have any money in the budget right by 22 or by 23 however the rec board does have $5,000 available to at this point in time and I invited the person that asked about the swim lessons to join us tonight but they haven't and it's $25 per student resident reimbursement that's what we've been doing in the past so we we cap it at $25 per student and I think it was normally about $30 or $35 and the parent picked up the rest mm-hmm because we've done the past do you know what the new prices for the swim lessons are going to be? I don't I don't because the information you've given us what information I have and I had invited that person to talk to us tonight and that that person would be from the rec board yeah okay and and so it would be the rec board putting correct and then the money to talk to the rec board okay okay so I think there's probably I'll bring that up in another agenda I guess yeah I've got a note on this one to put it on the agenda for May 2nd excellent the rec board is is in action they're talking to Montpelier about that excuse me as well so hopefully by then we'll have more information and we'll have the someone from the rec committee here as well to speak to it and where they're at with Montpelier okay anything else for the round table then? if not maintain a motion to adjourn I make the motion to adjourn tonight's rec board meeting second all in favor all right all right motion carries we are adjourned