 I Would have made this movie better Well, it's just randomly thrown in the X-Men theme. No, yeah X-Men have all the X-Men in it. They just turn on Patrick Stewart rolls out in a wheelchair and has an aneurysm and just Oh Like flicks up to it, but he's like Barry To save me you have to go back and Unbreak my legs I don't know how he's like you will Who was this guy Run for the both of us Barry And then Wolverine kill sod I Was I got a few things before we begin our breakdown of the flash I was I did I had a walk. I woke up early Well, I mean I woke up at like 10 p.m. Yesterday. I've been up since so I woke up early and I went for a walk a few hours ago, and I and I witnessed two instances of predation whoa it was walking around a lake and I saw a green heron Nab a dragonfly. He was like creeping up on it, and then it snatched it and it started eating a dragonfly I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. And then a few blocks later I was walking down a street in the suburbs and I saw and I'm so crazy. I saw it There's just like robins out in front of one of the lawns and then This hawk comes down it makes that noise exactly as I said it and Just pounces on it and I'm like, oh shit. Wow. That's cool as fuck So that was really neat. That's so super awesome. You know, you don't see that often Just he just comes out of nowhere just dives and grabs it fucks it up Then he sits there all smug and then he flies away I get my phone out and everything he's on the other side of the street and he goes away He's like no, no, no. I eat alone He was like Batman No, you mean like Mandalorians Like Mandalorians that you that you're Like one of the coolest things about him Yeah, that's really cool how they eat alone. Mm-hmm like all the people who like the Mandalorian I love how that's probably a deal-breaker for so many people like yeah, I'll be a little like you gotta eat alone every time you're like But they haven't you you don't tell them about the reason why he's because well cuz no one can see your face It's like what you calling me ugly. He's like no no no no no no no no no no one can see anyone's face We're a helmet on at all times. That's one of those things where they'll be like, yeah I'm totally not gonna take it off and then you know a few hours later like everyone Core about it, you know for the first week or so, but then it's like we can take these off right and everyone's like Well, I mean, we're not supposed to but we all do Yeah, it's like I think at some point they would develop some kind of pouch or Straw yeah Yeah, it's like reporting your cash tips to the IRS is like I mean, you know There's the rules and then there's what people do You know someone's like a the darksaber and chop the top of it off It didn't hit your head it just chopped open the helmet top of it off Would you then be does that count as wearing the helmet still or no? Oh like if you got like in kill bill Just a little off the top. Yeah, but you're not dead like you survive it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know You'd probably be like, oh, thank God a fucking breeze in here now Someone opened up the sunroof You're like press on any like there's no blood you just your hairs come out. Okay. That's thank God And then all right the armor is like you have betrayed the way and you're like what no I got I got chopped I did that wasn't me that did that was that she's like betrayed the way you have to go to the swamp or whatever I'm so happy you survived. I got the fuck out of here The fuck out of that rule like standing next to the pool with your helmet off and then you jump in put it on jump out Take it off jump in put it, you know I'm not a Mandalorian now. I am not a Mandalorian now. I am Stop doing that. It's not technically against the rules. It's annoying. You're damaging the spirit of this Simpsons reference early America, Australia, America Also say it looks like have you guys you guys gone to see The I mean surely you have I ask just as a courtesy because everyone's talking about everyone is talking about it But I'm sure you guys have all gone to see elemental Apparently it had the lowest opening day for any Pixar film ever Yes, I was I was reading an article that said based on what you know What what comes true about the projections either it will be the worst performing? Pixar movie ever or it will be beaten out by Toy Story not adjusting for inflation so Not looking great for elemental out cheese, which is weird because I I saw the it was before the Before what was the movie Guardians of the galaxy? They had an Ella an Ella Madel elemental hell of them and I was like wow. This is a movie. I'll never see I Still haven't seen the trailer. What is what was the trailer rags described? It just looks okay So imagine something that is both not generic, but extremely generic at the same time Looks very generic it looks like every Water Me and rags will be grounded in it. Oh I'll be I'll be ground. I like ground. I've always I've always had a thing for ground I really like earth elements. That's fine. Like what I don't I don't care enough about that You don't care about Exposition Wow, I was my favorite game of the year or whatever it is So you guys have you guys seen life of Brian? Brian's at the window and the whole crowd all says in unison. Yes. We're all individuals That's what the trailer was We need to watch the we need to watch life of Brian, I just need to I need to cleanse my Watch that all day every day and I move is awesome Do we have any strong opinions on whether in here on whether? The holy grail or life of Brian is better Do we have any wrong opinions? I don't have a strong opinion. I think I think life of Brian is better, but I don't know. It's tough I think we'll need to rewatch the nostalgia. I do adore the holy grail. Yeah, I adore them both. It's a tough It's really tough. It's really tough, but um yeah, uh Well, that's I want to back and forth on it too. Yeah. Well, maybe we should make a poll And you also, I don't know why I guess now the youtube chat When you throw it into the into obs it has that little thing in the bottom right that makes Little faces and hearts. I told yeah, it does. It's uh, you know what mauler? That's that that's know what the best one of Someone one of us should have brought that up earlier The best part of that is it covers up messages So the thing on the bottom right when the message is long enough it covers up part of the message It's really ingenious developing. Well, do you do you not remember when I went into conniptions the first time I noticed it? It was on a stream Was it a metal stream? I forget who stream it was on it was a youtube stream. I think it was ours I don't think I've seen this on on obs because that's why I'm highlighting it Because I have specific oh on obs. Well, it was on I noticed it on youtube So what I'm suggesting is that I think this is the first efap that has this on it Yeah, I think they they did some update or whatever and now it's on there as well. Oh look at it a little Fucking bastard down there. Yeah, and you can't even spam funny modes. It's like a set set list of five emotes You can't even do like the I don't remind it. Everyone thought I was crazy, but look who's crazy now What are you talking about? Well, wait that feature? I know that feature's been there forever But this is the first time I've seen it come through the obs into the actual efap chat I haven't seen that before What if you're not watching the stream click there and then look at the look at the chat It's not that bad. It's like it's fine You know It's just it's just worse. That's the thing. It's just it doesn't add anything It takes it takes a little bit away. So Yeah, I get you I I follow It's like motion that my eye wants to like like notice, you know Well, here's the question. Are we just looking for things to talk about that aren't the flash? Is that what's happening right now? Wait, we're talking about the flash I can come up with Well, one of the things we could genuinely talk about is all the different things we've been watching lately just by chants Uh, there's a cup. We got a little pure chance. We watched some batman movies by pure chance Yeah, I was gonna say the start. I don't where did our journey begin because we had a little Yes, our journey began with Oh What what did our journey begin because I know envision the body snatch is one of the earlier ones But I don't think that was the start. Was it? Uh, we watched the thing first We watched the thing first. I could have sworn the thing wasn't the first first The thing we watched the thing because I think I had said I really want to watch the thing now and we did Yeah, um, what what was before the day but a movie prompted that What was it? Gosh darn, what was that film? Oh, oh, I got it. Oh, I remember what it is Do you want a clue or do you want to try and guess or just want to give me a clue? Give me a clue Um, how do I give it? I I referred to it. It's the only one that would probably make it into any fat movies if we had recorded any of them Oh That should help but Um Oh, hey, uh, I think I saw in the chat somebody mentioned that the link to my channel is broken Also, oh a classic youtube. Why 1989? I wasn't mine this time. I call this a success for me today Hang on. I'll fix it. It was rags. It was the the alien movie. Do you remember? Oh Now it's now it's all coming back to me all of its disappointment flooding into my veins. Yeah, our film was lame It was really lame It's it's one of those movies where the whole time when you're watching it All your brain can think about is how they could have done everything everything better Yes So we watched that we were all very much not happy with it. We thought it could have been way better There's a couple of things we liked in it Uh, I think literally a couple. Yeah, yeah, k.k. Simmons was really cool K.k. Simmons was great in it. Yes, he was His scene was great The day that they had him they did not waste. He was the best part of it. They didn't have him for a day It was an hour Adam at an app they had him for an afternoon in his actual apartment Then so they had to they retroactively worked the the the alien kidnappings into the plot so that his apartment made sense Um So then It was the thing after that then I believe. Yes, the thing. Yes The thing was after that because that put us in a bit of a horary kind of vibe But if those for those who don't know the thing is a movie that's um, it's all right. Okay That's all right. You might have heard of it. Yeah, it's pretty it's okay. Pretty good. Whatever timeless horror classic Upon re-watching it. We were like, oh man, one of the best movies ever made, you know One of those thoughts, but you know only you know, we only entertain that for a little bit Yeah, uh And then and then was invasion after that body snatch. Yeah, we saw that afterward. Yeah Then we saw invasion of the body snatchers was neat to see because I hadn't actually seen it at all I don't think any of the three of us had I had not that's um, it's cool to see the context for a lot of memes that have come out of it or at least references and Uh, it was pretty solid. Um, I wouldn't mind seeing a remake of it. That's not cringe There was a remake of it that we then watched me and rags did Then it was cringe That one's called invasion The invasion. No. No, I think it's just called invasion. Isn't it? Oh really? Oh, wow It could be the invasion item for the point is that it was very very not good Um Yeah, it kind of it stank pretty bad. It was pretty awful same premise. What was it like 2005 ish Something like that 2007 like that the point is it was really bad. Don't watch it. It sucks And then we watched the dissent after that right and that was that was a really cool movie The dissent dissent was uh, it was quite the quality whiplash. That's what super impressed with that film Big old recommendation for that especially horror fans Yes, and go in knowing nothing. It's all for the goodness of the experience Yes, um Also around the same time as well. That's a mid 2000s movie, right? 2003 I want to say five for that one. Not a hundred percent sure Um Yeah, same maker as dog soldiers Um Who the director of both films drinker interviewed on his channel so you can check that out if you want it as well But first Neil Marshall, I think Neil Marshall Buddy we should you definitely check out the movie. It's a surprise as well because it's uh Quite low budget so it's neat to see what they did with what they had It's definitely one of those impressive movies for that sort of thing And I think that's it, right? Oh well other than um, we saw we saw one more Smaller at least technically two more at least. Well, it's it's true at least one more. Yes No, at least two more at least one more At least Yeah, it's at least one Why are you saying at least it's not at least what it's at least two It's at least two at least two is at least one. But one. Yeah, at least one. Yeah, but it is the least one. Yeah What it can't be one. It has to be at least two. No, it can't be at least one. It's at least two He wants two movies. Yeah, it's at least two more He saw two movies So it has to be at least two it can't be at least one because one is a lullin and two doesn't make any sense There's at least One which could which two? No, there's not you just screwed up. That's all that happens At least one of those movies It's at least two and we can measure them now. I suppose. Yeah, it makes sense. I suppose we could Well, because they are the most relevant to our discussion today. Yes. Yes, they are as you can see the theme is not talking about the flash I do like they do this like make sure before you see the flash you watch the thing in the descent It's very important. They will come up um So, yeah, there's there's a character in this movie called Batman and he's played by Ben Affleck There's also another character in this movie called Batman And he's played by George Clooney There's another character in this movie called Batman And he's played by adam west There's another character this film called Batman And he's played by michael keen Oh wait, wait, are we talking about um, we we missed we you're not talking about. Oh, no You missed one moller and ironically you missed one of our movies What are you I I'm talking about the Batman ones first Oh, we're talking about then we're gonna go back to how do you cut me off there instead of cutting free I'll say that it was relevant to this film Why what took you so long? I thought we were going I thought we were going in order What do you mean in order? One that you missed the movie that we watched that you haven't mentioned yet I haven't mentioned two yet So what do you mean? You haven't mentioned three yet moller. Well, well, like I just said, why are you cutting me off now? And you didn't cut off anybody earlier when we were introducing that it's connected to the flash Because we we're talking about the movies that we've seen No, the answer is no, yeah, what are we talking about? No, no, there there is a reason Mole's point still stands. I said, oh the two movies we're about to talk about irrelevant to this one You should have stopped me then No, because we can still talk about the ones chronologically and then also talk about those movies So why are you cutting me off? All right So anyway But no, this makes perfect sense. If you want to talk about the batman That's fine. No, it's fine. If you want to talk, you know rags are on a clock So we want to just uh, there you go. All right. Good stuff I just didn't know if you forgot about because we were talking about the movies chronologically And if you want to discover a crime had taken place and that is that rags hadn't seen either batman 89 or batman returns Rising then as if chronologically that was the next thing that we did when it wasn't No, I didn't imply that at all. I just said that that's in the past, which it was All the things that we did were in the past. Thank you. So why are you disagreeing? I'm not disagreeing. Fantastic job not making me talk about the flash. He keeps trying to delay me from talking about the flash I know what he's up to. It's not gonna work. I'm gonna get there eventually The problem that rags is having now is that he's delaying us from talking about the batman movies Yeah, because another movie that we watched that you have seemingly skipped over in order to talk about batman movies Wait, I thought you said that you were okay with talking about that after the batman movies make your mind up I'm okay with all sorts of things. So then you don't Shut the fuck up You were doing a disservice to one of the films that we watched of which we have mixed up time Time is not linear. It's the spaghetti strand the Pivots, whenever you Moller, I am the sauce of the spaghetti that is this podcast You I am ragu. I am ragu A part in the history of this which has altered everything. Nothing is now coherent and you're gonna have to accept that That's because you went out of order. You screwed up. I want to talk about the batman movies. What's going on? We should just brute force it for you ready? Let's just Go for it. Go for it. Go for it. Go. Go with my blessing. Talk about batman 89 was watched Which is a real neat film. It's one that you should check out if you're a batman fan But you've probably seen it if you are a batman fan It's uh the classic to an extent it changed comic book movies forever. It gave a lot of uh Credence respect and oomph to them in a time where they were, you know Not having as much of that sort of thing batman went dark and uh, I don't even know What other superhero movies came out? Superman would be superman superman came out a decade before yeah But uh, those two You know, they they just considered touchstones of development over time, you know every blade x-man Brainy movies like there's all these different eras where uh changes were made and Influences developed but batman 89 is certainly Of its time. It's a it's a real unique fucking superhero movie. It's real fun to watch too One of the things that strikes you the second you watch it was gothams look It was like yeah, nothing looks great It's it's really cool to uh to see these films that give a real sense of tangibility to these places even though they are very uh unique settings Like very very unique settings that you don't often see Uh, especially nowadays with the superhero films having much more uh Grounded but at the same time a further and further move towards Not practical sets big elaborate practical sets That just give the city a whole bunch of texture It's got a great vibe And jack Nicholson as the joker is another Just uh, it's one of those times I was mentioned to Fringy When is the last time we had a casting that was like, oh that person's perfect for that role? And then they were perfect as that role like Because I I imagined some people in check and be like Henry Cavill Superman It's like did he ever get to really he ever get the opportunity to be perfect in that role, you know He could have been but like it's it's not his fault either, but like And they never got the opportunity to Where's jack Nicholson got the opportunity to eventually Yeah at the gate J.K. Simmons is j. Jonah Jameson. That's probably true actually. I don't see why I don't have to be a bad casting Yeah Jeremy irons is alfred. That's that's fair uh Willem Defoe's green goblet is pretty fucking so really as actually many many many many castings That you could point to where it's like hey great job guys. What's interesting? I suppose is that um They're not like what about like major roles as opposed to villain or or antagonist or just sort of supporting Uh I mean, yeah, Robert Downey Jr. Is Iron Man. Mm-hmm Um, yeah, I I don't know how many people would have thought Maybe 50 50 or didn't know if it was gonna definitely work for sure because he is kind of himself, but uh I don't know. It's just like that is Tony stock at this point Um, John Rhys Davies is Gimley. I don't know if people felt that way Someone mentioned Heath Ledger's Joker. It's like I I don't know about you But I when I was hearing about that shit people would complain People were like no no no. We don't want that guy. He's not gonna be able to do Joker That's what I mean about like that's a that's a different kind of thing and jackman is wolverine People fucking shout all over that when that was cast as well People did the same thing for uh, Michael Keaton as Batman when he was cast Missed him on as Batman is unacceptable. But yeah, that's not quite the category I was looking for was like ones that turned out to own the role sort of thing Um, but yeah, Batman 89. It was real neat. Um to not was very neat You know, I'm not actually trying to you know, avoid the flash forever But I was gonna say so then we watched a good old Batman returns and Um, well what's to say about that? It's uh, that's me. I really really really quite like Batman Returns I think that it's kind of a wonderful movie Um, it's got it's just oozing with character and it's got such a memorable footprint to it And it stands out and it's just so flavorful as a movie the people in Gotham and Gotham itself The practicality of everything that we're seeing Um, it's just they don't they just don't make them like that anymore Um, it's just this wonderful experience of watching a Batman movie that's so, um, I don't know. There's just I don't feel like there's anything more or less that could be Batman returns It's just such a unique feeling movie even though it has Tim Burton's very distinct style all over it It still doesn't feel like anything else. He's made it not even you know, the other the other Batman movie we were discussing It's it's just it's sort of kind of a Breville risk in what it is I really really liked it and it's and it's really strong when you talk about a lot of the you know Thematics that it has and it's it you know, there's some depth to it It's not just it's not just like junk food where it might taste really good in the moment But you don't remember it. There's a lot that you can walk away from that movie Uh, kind of thinking about and I'm really really glad that I saw it. It's got a lot of strengths I think uh, just aesthetically, uh, Batman in like the Christmas setting. I don't know why but I think it works really really well Because getting a that's because getting a good Batman movie is like a Christmas miracle. That's all right Wow, we have got so many to choose from I don't know why you would say that Um, I think it's kind of amazing how like everyone's performances in that film a top notch even Performances like from Christopher Welkin that uh, he's playing a normal reaction person to a lot of scenarios, but uh, so many great lines and expressions from him throughout the whole film And he's just playing evil businessman basically in a world filled with insane animal themed creatures running around trying to Clown themed gangs. Yeah sorts of madness. Yeah I mean, yeah, the film opens with like they celebrate their little Christmas thing that a giant present arrives and a bunch of clowns erupt from it and destroy the city like, okay As they as they do as they do Um, and yeah, michelle fife as cat woman part of the movie They were just filming in a town and that's just what happened. So they worked it into the plot Michelle fife as cat woman is fantabulous And she will likely never be beaten Uh, well, it'd be very very very very very difficult to the performance. Well, Halle Berry. I mean If we're gonna be on it here she was I think we should give her another chance I think we should give credit where it's due Why didn't she turn up in the multiversal thing in this part in this movie? What's that about? Why they snubber? Yeah, I mean it makes sense that she would why not Why don't she jump down to zald and scrammed him? She's like, yeah, that would have been great and she hissed at him. She went And then she yeah, we just kind of fun Can we we just kind of her hair stands on in to make her appear larger And so, uh, you know having seen those films, uh, rye's got to appreciate how good the flash is because of uh Eaton obviously Transferring over I I really did we saw the flash We then we saw the batman movies and I really like the batman movies one of them in particular. I really liked Uh, it did not somehow it did not retroactively give me a better appreciation For um the flash in fact it made me in fact it as it made me sad So well, that's the natural Watching this film So, yeah, now moller can talk about the one movie that he didn't mention before after your Desperation, you can take the reins on that one You don't remember it. Do you if I did I wouldn't let you know just to spite you That's true. That's true. We watched a very interesting movie that I think we walked away From with mixed feelings. We watched a movie from quite recently From 2020 I believe Called the empty man What what is there to say about the empty man, it's uh, I wanted to like it I think I I'm close to liking it like yeah Yeah, it's teetering on the edge of me liking it, but it's a little bit too disjointed Uh, I think the story kind of waivers and wanders in a few parts But there's things that I legitimately do like about it And it seems to be based on a on a series of comics that are actually looked really quite cool Um, I I don't know if I recommend it or not. It's it's a really odd one If it just a couple of tweaks, I'd probably end up loving it It's it's one of those good god the the subtlety is lost in most of horror these days, but that film was Was really, you know taken it nice and slow and creeping you out with lots of really subtle things Which is I always like that in horror because I'm like, yeah reward me for paying attention It was um, it was paced unconventionally. I won't say badly But unconventionally I think Um, some of the horror like moller said is a bit subtle and it kind of trusts you and it doesn't just like blue I just surprised you and that's scary um I think I think if you're looking for it's I think it's worth the watch I think it is too Yeah What was funny is that we had some ideas on what the whole film was about after everything we'd seen We were like, you know what might be worth checking out a You know like an explained video just to to get an idea get a grasp on what we'd missed And I was like, oh rags is a highly I say highly rated I guess I mean highly viewed and good ratioed video and it's 30 minutes long And it apparently explains the whole movie. It's like, okay, sure. We'll check that out. That'll be helpful Um, of course naturally we skipped the first 27 minutes of the video because that was summary of the film with literally no analysis But moller, isn't that what you do? Oh god, I was being driven nuts by it We watched like the first 10 minutes and we were like when like all of this is just things that happen He hasn't said anything yet. Yeah, this isn't explanation. This is description of the plot This is just you're describing what's happening And then just the final like three minutes is he only basically says what the film says happens more explicitly Like there was no real like digging into it or trying to connect like symbols Or maybe what things meant and how things came together. So it was just like I'm better off looking at the comment section Which I was I started going through the comments on that video and loads of people giving theories and how things connected and different You know, uh points of view on how different things were supposed to have rolled out and what they represent There's a lovecraft angle in that film. There's um, yep Obviously references to other horror movies and stuff and I was just like and that added to it. I just don't know that uh I don't know that I got quite the experience from watching it, but yeah He's like close to a recommendation. I think for horror fans probably a recommendation I'd probably say so if you're into horror stuff, um, I would recommend it But at least we walked away from it thinking and I think there's stuff that you absolutely can pull away from it But maybe because I don't know any movie that's really like it It's um, it might be worth a watch based on that alone. It's um And it's a little self-aware too. It's it knows it knows it's a horror movie And it knows that uh other horror movies exist. So it tries to surprise you with a couple things and To give you an example There's like a whole group of hooded people in darkness that our protagonist sees He's spying on them in the darkness And they all stop at one point and he's like, uh, you know, he's he's pretty shrouded So it should be fine. Then they all collectively look at him the same time And then he takes a step back and they all take one step forward that he just goes Yeah, no, it just spreads away It was just fun. I I quite kind of I I really kind of like the protagonist to this movie. Yeah, I like him Yeah, so he's uh, yeah, so yeah, there you go the the empty man Where I take check you check it out. Fuck it. Take it. Look check it out. It's been pretty interesting I I definitely don't I don't regret watching it. That's for sure Um, I think but uh, we're out of distractions now No, uh How's uh, how's how were you moller? Apprehensive anxious. Oh Why why ever would that be? Well, there's a movie that we like that golem game Oh They made a golem game There's only one place left to procrastinate. Do you want to go down the golem road? You're like After rings of power comes out everyone's like fuck it. We'll take a golem game at this point anything They're like, oh god, no Just tell me why his ship floats again Amazon's do a Golem tv show based on the game I've been more enjoyable than rings of power amazon's golem amazon's rings of golem amazon's golem of power All right All right, let's do it. So a movie rolled out of the cinema recently Pull into it. I guess it came sprinting out at lightning fast speeds confident A film the uh Less of a movie going experience more of a cultural event that's going to represent Hopefully the fucking end of this era because I am so done And it looks like it will uh doesn't seem like Any people are uh enjoying it We've got like several culminations of things happening at once the key jangling sort of way to distract people from bad storytelling is Is Possibly at a tight in this film the obsession with multiversal storytelling in order to get access to whatever you want The end of the dc but also the beginning of dc like this weird This is like a a retarded phoenix movie. It's it's getting I don't know how else to And you know, you blend all of that up and also then you have two Ezra millers leading and you're like why Why Exactly what I wanted And then meanwhile you also have like Warner Brothers really desperately trying to convince everybody that this is the best superhero film The dc's made in here is like to a degree that was almost baffling I didn't say shit about shazam. No shazam was sent out to die But this one it's so good guys. It's such a great movie I didn't died so that the flash could live could also die All right It's just abs like bleed it out on the floor He's like the flash you go on you go on you live for both of us And then a fucking bullet just goes straight through flashes hot like oh, well, I guess you could die too Oh, okay Oh, yeah back girl too, right? That also died. Oh, yeah the back girl got cancelled and now we still got aquaman and uh blue beetle Coming out Yeah, so I don't even know where to begin. Do we want to talk a bit about more so on the matter of this thing? Like Oh, the dceu. Wow crazy Like wow 10 years on this is 10 years since man of steel and look at where What what a what a What a tail that was the dceu is like this experiment What a mess Yeah What a dc Fuck that didn't work. That's close enough. Well, we'll buy it No, it's not it's some good stuff Uh, there's some good scenes maybe some good performances in there I I just it is unbelievable that this is the one that like caps it all off or at least it's supposed to it's just like Did you want to be more embarrassing? It's uh, it's it's it's a it's a kind of a fitting end, isn't it because of how unceremonious it is Mm-hmm. Just like just collapsing on its face. That's it. It's it's a bit of a It just sort of gives up her. Yeah Yep Uh, and of course that this movie's been it was set in production or announced rather. Uh, this is Like years and years and years ago. It's been in like development hell for ages I think like four or five different directors have been attached to it at one point or another Yeah, I think what ryan kennel said on fnt was that it was announced before bvs came out in theaters This film the earliest iteration of it. So that's how fucking old this thing was in terms of its total journey to the cinema Yeah, the original inception was going to be a buddy cop type thing with uh, or just just I don't even know Like buddy superhero format with flash and cyborg That was supposed to be one of the earliest ideas that this thing was gonna be Um, and we saw a glimpse of that in the Infinite tisms if you remember the flash cameos in that and he's on his little transceiver and he's like victor something went wrong I think that was supposed to be intended as like a You know, it would reflect the future movie But that got changed everything got changed all the different crazy things that have happened with dc's leadership and The many creators involved with them everything's been moved around And we finally ended up with this and it's not doing well as has been joked about already, uh, both critically commercially All of the Yeah, because I uh, I said like I think on fnt that it's it's um, it's doing about as well as Ant-man and they were like, no, no, no, it's behind ant-man. It's like Yeah, it is and uh, like 200 million dollar budget Probably a comparable marketing budget. So Yeah, yeah, this thing was a nightmare in terms of a money sink I'm sure considering how many different versions existed having will do exist A lot of people have been pointing out all these different leaks that have happened over the years that You know initially you might call lies, but you need to look into it be like no No, no, it's just scenes that have been cut There's loads that have been cut from this film several versions of this film probably could exist if they cut them all fully Uh all different we should release a four hour cut that will make it better, right? That's something the director said another thing the director said is the the cg in the uh multiversal portions It's supposed to look like shit I think I saw a tweet that was quite funny where it was like, um, You know, how uh, you know, how is the flash i'm seeing a lot of people hate on it Like how is it actually and someone linked that tweet and said that's how good it is Like the evidence a load of the director being like it's supposed to look off Yeah, like sometimes just don't say anything. Yeah Sometimes not sometimes being quiet is the correct move just not doing anything Sometimes you just have to well I have seen people who The world enjoyed the movie being like no, no, no that doesn't make sense because if you think about it Like do they stretch in the timelines and you kind of that's why everybody looks like Gross skin rubbery things Okay So, uh, yeah, you've heard all of that stuff. I guess it's about time we talk about the story What is the flash as a as a story? It's a Oh boy Bad see you next week That's what wants to do the thing where everybody gives that little blurb on it or does everybody I have a feeling we've all got the same Well, we might I heard a noise. I don't know what it was. Yeah, that's all right as long as you're alive meme We're good barely And we'll probably This one's gonna be a different a little different than the usual breakdowns in terms of just the pacing might be a little strange We'll probably you'll see a lot of focus on the Michael Keaton portions compared to the only two Ezra Miller portions Let's just put it that way and uh Some scenes like I don't have anything to say about in terms of positive or negative. So Probably move past sort of thing. Um In fact, I'm more than willing to start at his uh the flash Arriving my notes so we can we can go through our notes. Uh Was that really my first note? Oh, I don't know. All right fair enough. That's that's my okay. All right. Well carry on So I just I just re-looked at my notes and I was like my first note is no windshield on Bruce's bike and I'm like, okay well My notes go further back than that but to be fair my notes aren't really that early either If anyone has anything to say before he arrives at the broken building, uh, you're welcome to say whatever you want 15 minutes of cringe moving on Oh Setting the stage for the problems that happen when you have speeds to characters He can run across the continental united states and like yeah, and it's never that fast ever again What do you mean? It's good. You mentioned it there because yes, this is gonna come up a couple times and I'm not gonna allow it to go with just yeah I mean, you know, that's you get that all the time with speeds It's like yeah, and so we're gonna mention it every time you use a speedster That's what you get if you're gonna choose that problem You need to deal with when you do that and it felt like they introduced something of an attempt to deal with it And then they didn't deal with it at all ever again Uh, no apparently for that one scene and then that was it so he he he sprints over to Gotham because he's been called in And uh, he arrives and there's a building that's falling apart with people screaming and vehicles falling into like Pothole big big sinkholes. I should say Um, and the first thought I had was just like well, I mean he's gonna sort that out pretty quick We've seen in the past films. He can move people Very long distances very fast out of out of danger and he can do it all within under like, you know five seconds Everyone very quickly But instead he's sort of like standing around being like what the hell this is a huge mess bruce Why aren't you here? And I was already like what the fuck no dude go there's people who are screaming and this things happen It looks people in trouble. What are you doing? I hated his demeanor. Yeah, right off the bat. He was Janitor of the just like to annoyed me a lot. Yeah Yes, which is weird because um as my third note is the flash power The flash a flashes power set kind of makes him the perfect justice league Quote-unquote janitor Making sure all the civilians are safe and all that sort of thing that if you have a speedy speedy fast guy He would probably do a really really good job at being able to respond super quickly to whenever people are in danger I mean, he's arguably the most powerful one outside of superman Depending on how you write it. I would say so. Yeah, if if he was written Uh accurately Properly then yes, his power set would make him probably the second strongest after superman Well, he has to be right because later in the film. He's actually like fighting kryptonians So I guess I am like kind of strength level kind of as wonder woman seemingly at least the way it's presented And like they're adjacent. Well, sometimes they just Attempt to avoid how much power he actually has with the speed that he has, you know, yeah Yeah, they don't want to address that shit It's because he's too powerful But yeah being like I'm the janitor the implication I got was the you know I'm the lame one who cleans up after people once they've all done their cool Whatever they want to do shit. I always have to come in and do some lame And it's like no you'd be first on scene most of the time Obviously Aquamats one that they keep making fun of pretty consistently as well. So I'm not sure But we have a factor We're supposed to imagine that some guys broke into that place to steal that thing and bruce is on it trying to sort it out Alfred is aware and like they don't tell flash until the buildings explode Like if you just told him the second you're aware flash gets there before batman can put his shoes on Yeah, and they also apparently alfred tried to call diana and uh and superman first diana Yeah, diana Yeah He's german Okay, but I thought she says but it's okay. Yeah. No, that's that's yeah, they did try to call out. That's right. Yeah, dina Dina turn dina turner. Okay. What I was trying to say actually is that you murdered him? They don't even consider him like as a first choice in these scenarios even though he should be the first choice because that's just What he should you say morally speaking? He should always be alerted first if he has yeah, like lives are at stake for fuck's sake Those people that have stolen that very sensitive material. He can just go when he's got it and that's it It's over with him as lives are at stake and he is like the one person for whom geography is not a problem In terms of getting where he needs to get to at any given time again. He runs across america in like a minute Look, it's I don't wonder why we can't go that fast So I mean this this scenario this issue that this they're dealing with is a bunch of dudes in a car The batman's chasing and then a building that's falling apart because an explosion went off in it It's like oh the flash can solve both of those issues instantly Yep So to me that uh the justice league, you know because this point it seems like they're Well-oiled machine They don't have some kind of Alert system. They're still relying on Cell phone calls. He's even worse than that because he hangs up on bruce That's my second note. Why not always stay on comms. They should always be on comms. Why would they? Apparently he's always on comm with alfred, but not bruce. It's like okay There's only so much bat with that they have to work with so either you can either talk to alfred Or you could talk to batman and in this universe You know, it's fair enough. I've you know wanting to talk to alfred a bunch alfred's pretty cool in this universe But uh that you you should you should take you should be more serious about this. Yeah Yeah Also, did anybody notice the lack of left turn lanes whenever he'd start running? I did the first thing I did not He really just ran through Middle between two lanes for a great distance well, uh That's because of the pasta theory. He changed the universe Not fast enough A lot of things are going to explain by that left on red. It's uh, yeah um Yeah, uh, it's also I just find weird that from to turn up and see a building falling apart and then to be like bruce Why aren't you here in terms of like why why do you need if bruce was standing there right now? You would be the one to solve all of the shit. What's batman going to do with the building that's falling apart She was grapple. Yeah Pull the building back the other way Is yeah, it comes across as like really petty and strange and you're just like I kind of wish the flash were a bit more competent up to this point Because I don't even know how many people because of you know the virtue I'm I'm willing to accept a little bit of him being like, uh, here we go again Like that kind of attitude but ultimately like people are screaming and dying Like I would prefer that he's like I got you it's okay. Like yeah this this that you know, and uh It's like bruce. How is it on your end? Have you managed to slow them down or anything? You know, it's just like a mission instead of like And then even like the baby's thing is treated more as a joke in universe than uh You know Babies in peril is pretty funny, but it is pretty fun in yours. It should be Yeah, it's like a little bit serious He's falling out of windows is is pretty. Yeah Uh The they have the falling uh, they'd have the falling cgi babies I guess they weren't gonna I guess I don't blame them for making them cgi babies They just really looked like they really looked like it, you know, uh, I mean Struck me quick was they dropped bruce's voice modulator, which made me sad Oh, that's right. It's regular ben aflec voice, but with a bit of gravel. He's like Barry you got to do Hey, you know what else? You know, I also find really weird Yeah, you know what I also find cringe Barry just calling him bruce while they're in action all the time Yeah, yeah, I didn't do that. I hate it so much. They should probably be calling each other batman and flash And batman should be like what the fuck? Batman i'm not bruce right now. You should know that be moron If anything you should call me call to distract people from the truth that I am bruce Make them look for a guy called call, which would be easier for me um They call some alfred Wait a minute. How many alfords are in this city? Is this supposed to be alfred? No, it's supposed to be bruce. I mean, uh, but Uh, while batman's explaining to him the plan as in i'm gonna take out the bad guys who are in the truck with the Thing that they stole from the building that they've detonated a thing and you're gonna make sure the building doesn't You know crash down and people are safe by the time he ended saying that the flash could have ran and grabbed The material and disabled the cars and ran back Yep Yeah, if um a car chase. I mean a flash is a flash character is going to trivialize Bad guys getting away in a car. Yes, like it'll be over before you can tell them to do it It's just be over. You just walk you just run up to him punch him in the face slam the brakes on the car And that's it. It's done. It's over because he's the flash It was low on calories Fair enough. I'd expect him to have a utility belt full of paydays if that's what he needed No, that is that's ridiculous So if you need food, you know, even I it's good just that's just good in general You know, you know have a snack, you know, sometimes you just want a snack Yeah, especially if your super powers depend on it Well, sometimes you're not you when you don't need a snickers And is there any movie in the snider verse Where the flash is given some form of a nerf to prevent him from dominating thoroughly Technically the flash I saw that one just now Technically the answer is no But it's also yes because there is one movie, but it's not in the snider verse really It would be just this league where he has a what? And it's uh, it's just that he's very very, you know green and scared of the situation and banners to convince him You know to gradually get in the groove and actually help because obviously the flash at full fucking strength is just It's really hard to keep him under control A lot of the time you have to make him fight people who are just as fast as him So that, you know, you can have something of a balance, but Yeah, um this movie there's not a lot you can do against him Like if you tie him up, you're just gonna vibrate out of whatever you put him in He's gonna run really fast. He's I mean now you can do like the lightning things. That's really useful I mean, this is it's just hard to balance a character. It really is. Yeah, uh, and You're gonna do a lot of work to try and figure it out um I think the calories thing is kind of a good way to go, but there's something only really accounts for it once in the entire Yeah, the only way they they only use it later for like a tumor like a joke and then it's done with It served its purpose Yeah, when the action comes back around it's just like no, that's that's done though Well, I mean, I guess I say the when it comes around again It's useful to use for a joke both times because it's supposed to be like well It isn't that funny that he's slow eating those burritos and getting all that stuff coming out of the building when there's babies flying around Isn't that funny? He's like, I No, uh, I don't know how I feel about this. Um I just if it's about to be a problem. He should have known about it And he why isn't he prepared the should I know, you know backpack filled with food. She's not like the thing to do I mean, thank fuck. There was a vending machine falling there. Otherwise, I guess all those babies would have died. I don't know Train babies. Oh no Um On that janitor line as well. He ends it was saying, you know, it's like I'm always I'm willing to clean up the mess Is but it's always bat messes that I'm cleaning up. I thought it was a really bizarre thing to say Like this isn't batman's mess. He's responding to it like you are. Do you mean goth them are batman's messes? Or aren't you like bitter at batman because he's fucking up or something? Is that what I mean? I wasn't really sure what he meant by it. I feel like superman or wonder woman would cause a bit more of a mess Well, we know they do Yeah, she blasts off the sides of bank buildings And rains rubble down on the bullies below. She doesn't give a fuck Yeah, I like the idea that she's splattering heads on walls and the flash is like they were the bop Well, I was cleaning up wonder woman's messes Um So something I didn't quite like was uh You you hear it and you think about it and then you're like wait a minute Alfred is like the east wing is uh gonna collapse and then the flash is like no, it's not it's fine I was like if if Alfred has the information to prove that it's about to collapse He should be fucking shouting at barry Do something the east wing is going to collapse do something right now Yeah, he also shouldn't be like if my calculations are correct If they which they are all the time. It's like no, you're just wasting time. Just tell them. Yeah. Yeah people out of there And it's so weird too because like the flash is like uh east wing is fine, which is good because i'm running on empty I was like you we just died when you're running on empty It's like The bat mode the bat bike the bat cycle. What is it called? What is it called the bat cycle or the bat bike or the bat? the bat What do we think the bat lean the bat bike i'm it's got to be bat bike or bat cycle surely, right? the bat Waiting for ideas at rocket the bat wing the bat. No, batmobile is the main Bad pod that's what it's called. I'm pretty sure Isn't it bad? No, it's not it's not really. No, like I'm pretty sure the nola movies call it the bat pod The bat cycle most of the time It's called the bat pod the the bice the the motorbike. I think the bat pod Yeah, I mean, I don't make the rules No, okay. I was that's fine. I'm not blaming you. I just strikes me as odd But okay, he's in the bat bike the bike cycle, right? Gas mileage is not great Look at all the things that this look at all the things that the bat bike cycle can do It can it can shoot spike strips. Mm-hmm. It can it has a retractable semi useful bulletproof shield Um, it's really fast. It can turn It's big Um, you gotta I mean, he's you know, you get you get 10 minutes with it and you're already starting to run on fumes there So it follows that he's almost out of gas. I think it's weird as fuck the the flash is like I'm running low when it's like you're in a city. Just go and find a sausage or whatever Food everywhere It's so weird It's so weird because he was also running low already when he was getting the breakfast and then he does his mad dash through all of america You think there was someone he could have stolen a bit of food from Actually when he's trying to save lives He's that You he never He doesn't have a problem stealing clothes of old people So we saw him steal food at parts of this movie too. So he's not beyond that If you'll steal the clothes literally if you'll steal the clothes off of old old grandma and grandpa's back He'll steal a burrito Because wait, he does that later Or is that the other berry he steals no he he steals food for he steals the same guy's food twice Or same guy gets his food stolen. Oh, that's right. Yeah Well, remember right before he goes to the court right at the end. He steals food again That seems like a really it seems like a really jerkish thing to do But let's put this in context. At least he didn't at least he didn't walk by the food the street vendor and then Cast a curse on him to where he has to beat himself up for three weeks straight I don't know what hero would do that. I don't know why you'd even know I I I agree I don't know what hero would do that. That's a A foul vile thing to do. But I just If just just as an example, I just pulled it out of thin air I think you should use examples that are from, you know, reality at least because that's so absurd that no one's ever gonna buy that Like why are that why would that even happen? Like anyone put that in a script. Oh, yes My hero will randomly torture someone for three weeks. There's like Yeah, yeah, especially if that person was like defending themselves or not. They didn't want to get their shit stolen. Yeah, I know I just I know I was I was probably straw manning there because no one would ever actually write that Yeah, I should pick realistic examples Um, correct me if i'm wrong, but his bulletproof shielding for his little his little bat cycle. Um, it has a big hole in the middle Yeah, it does. Um, you can't see otherwise Yeah, but we'll get a glass screen then this bulletproof fucking moron I don't know. I don't know what that is like you hold up a big riot shield, but there's a big circle for where you're facing Well, in that in returns at any point though Why was there no conversation either on set if it was a practical thing or like in post production and editing of like There's a giant hole here though. The bullets will just go through that Yeah, I think it's counter intuitive Because we know enough To like have things pop up to block bullets But we don't know enough to Like cover the the the only part that because the things on the sides like that's not where your face is those are just Those aren't doing anything if anything they're they're hurting because they'll make shrapnel from the bullets spalling out But but we don't you know, it's like they knew but they didn't know It's weird because they were clearly aware of the you know of batman and batman returns Where the batmobile is very clearly shown to have bulletproof glass Because there are two clowns with with uh with machine pistols on the hood shooting at batman But he's batman's okay because obviously he has bulletproof glass because batman would be an absolute drooling door knob licking retard if he didn't put bulletproof glass In between well, I was highlighted by chat too. It's particularly hilarious being the only part of batman's entire body that's Possible to shoot is his mouth And he sees us the only part that's unblocked is like batman sticks his head up like a diglett This will show them for trying to shoot my shoulders I've been shooting myself with tiny bullets for weeks to build up an immunity And bulletproof glass and I'm gonna be superman if I'm not mistaken almost certainly this guy almost certainly Um, let's think about this even more right because no If he's got the uh, he's got the two metal plates in his faces in the middle Um, if his if his enemy isn't um that good at aiming um, that actually helps them because if they see that their Bullets are bouncing off the bulletproof plates. They're just like, oh, I adjust my aim here. Okay, still not Oh, there's the face I'll just shoot him where I'll just shoot him where his face is. Yeah, that'll get him genius So the babies sequence then let me see Yeah, uh, so I guess the the starter here is the the plan is instead of him Waiting patiently with his super speed until the babies are down at ground level and he can grab them he He like runs up the side of the building super fast and has to eat a bunch of burritos and stuff And then all of the babies are in Like comical danger. We're talking like looney tunes level danger. Well, it has to be set on fire This is in the final destination universe. I'm pretty sure this movie. Oh Oh, that makes sense. Yeah So for anybody who hasn't seen it as the babies are falling one of them Is like about to be a bunch of knives are also falling onto it One of them's like falling into fire I think there's like a fire that's spraying and it's like one's about to fall in there Yeah, it's like a gas canister that will set on fire by something. I don't even know how that happens But uh, yeah, it's just like directly like all the same time All the babies are about to be killed in mid-air by all these absurd like rude go big Machines hilarious one of the babies is about to be set on fire One of the babies is about to be stabbed with many many scalpels flying off a tray another one of the babies is I don't know if some acid or something like with something. Yeah, like some hot boiling water or something from a beaker Oh, I think it's acid Maybe acid. It could be acid. Oh boy. Yeah, it's one of those Oh, and one of one of them is like between like a plate and a big thing that's about to crush it mid-air. Yeah Yeah, there's two. Yeah. Yeah, it's about to get smushed Yeah, you just think that has to happen You just want a fifth one to be like a cartoon anvil is coming down on it. You know just to really complete a collection These babies are in so much peril right now This is like a biblical level of peril for a baby From the time it took him seeing all these threats to him like going to the vending machine and eating all the snacks Uh, they'd be dead. How fast we saw the things moving. Yeah, they would have been Yeah Oh, yeah, there's no consistency within flash time. No Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I got a question. I don't know if we're ready I don't I don't know if anyone is prepared to answer this question, but I'll ask it anyway. We'll see what happens Okay, so when the flash interacts with objects, those objects are in slow motion Right, they're essentially moving in real time. They're in their time and he's been super duper mega fast, right? So What does this mean for him? Like eating objects No, I wanted to ask that question too because I don't know Takes the burrito all of the energy and because like calories are a measure of like energy Right that you get from food that your body absorbs Right, so he grabs a burrito and he's moving super duper fast and he puts that burrito inside of him What is to stop the burrito from like not matching his own speed or is he even able to Like get the energy from the burrito or is it still in suit like the burrito can't You know, it's it's I know I know what you're trying to say. I do it's I think there's that's definitely one of those things where they're just like he ate it. He has its energy It's that yeah, that's it. All right, because I thought about that too Like does he vibrate down the things faster and then his body is like oh Super speed eating calories or something. It's like as soon as he swallows is like is that Piece getting moved by his muscle and then put into the the acid. Does it does it melt slower? Like does it get absorbed slow or faster? He's like, yeah, I don't fucking know Yeah, I have no conclusive answer on that but I thought about that too Yeah, I feel like that's another one of those things. Um, similar to how he could be Pushing himself off of falling objects in midair able to yeah, because if you do that Yeah, depending on the object It's it's you guys remember in The hobbit the battles of five armies when legolas. Yeah Jumping up the little falling stones like everyone's favorite. That's really dumb But like technically that is possible Right legolas is very light and the stones have a lot of inertia to them So technically like okay, that's dumb But I think it technically checks out within the internal logic of the lord of the rings But this one right not only is it really dumb I don't think it makes any sense for him to be able to do all this stuff. What how what about his speed? Allows him to run up a wall Right because yeah, sure you can run up for a few steps But remember you're pushing away from the wall in order to you know like move So you're gonna make a couple, you know three four steps up that wall And you are no longer making contact with that wall. There's no force to keep you applied to the wall And it's not like you're running in a circle. You're running straight up a wall I think it's just speed force shenanigans. Well, so someone just said speed force negates physics But that wouldn't you just fly at that point then? I mean, I would try to do that Oh, kido ki then I see this is all Making a lot of sense. I figured it would I'm just does Uh, it it you know what it's fine. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. It works. You can buy it and I'm not even mad even if those mechanics You're a little bit rougher on the edges. It's fine. We have they're consistent with it. Yeah, we've got character stuff If the character stuff's really good, then it's okay. It's all right. Yeah Easily look back. I I can easily look past a few little Oh burrito questions and physics stuff. It's like what it's fine You know what that would be a small price to pay if we got really awesome Character moments, you know that I don't I'd almost happily pay it Mm-hmm. Um, so so the saving of the babies begins. He just sort of protects them all It's an olympic event. It is what he does is incredible And the famous clip that many have seen online of him placing a baby into a microwave and a nurse screaming That's reversed. Okay He's taking it out and then she screams because she's just screaming in general Well, that's a baby in earlier though To protect it to protect it. She's falling off the building But that's not how this works. That's not how that clip goes Let's all right Enough of this enough you guys if indiana jones can hop in a fridge and survive a nuke No, you can put a baby in a microwave that ain't from an indiana jones film. That's for some weird Fan film that was made by two senior gentlemen You're right. That's not indiana jones. That's uh That's some other thing iowa iowa johnson Iowa johnson and the radioactive fridge radioactive fridge iowa johnson He's getting a little old, but you know, he's still got it. He's still just as sharp as he was There's many many years ago. Oh, liowa johnson uh Now that we're on the microwave, uh, I did have a question So and i'm sure we'll get to talking about this a little later, but was What exactly is the is the rule to moving Objects and moving people. Oh, I'll tell you it makes complete sense. You see it's you can't move people Faster than too fast, but you can move them a bit and if you do move them too fast They'll vomit profusely green like Nickelodeon slime levels of insanity colored shit But not applied to any of the people he moved really fast at any other point in all the movies including this one Yep, you know the flash would be really good at legend of the hidden temple Slime Slimey But was the movie was the movie trying to say that it doesn't count if they're Enclosed in a in a micro Well, they think that's out of work Even if they wanted to say that like you got all the other babies get moved at the uh, nurse got moved quite fast as well It's funny because I think they try to do a thing where it's like look how carefully is he just kind of Nodges them a little bit It's like but yeah, but this you still all move them into plays and they're still falling down I I don't know. Didn't you take a bite of a burrito and throw it at something to knock it into something to knock it And some to save the baby. I remember being like, oh my fucking god, dude. Just go and do it yourself And to the movies to the movies in the movies defense if you're gonna shake a baby violently You might as well do it inside of a microwave You have committed to this path and for a penny and for a pound Yeah, and You have alfred and I was gonna ask because I was just like, well never Why does alfred know exactly what's happening because he says like, oh my god It's a baby and then the flash goes shower because they're all falling How did alfred know that all the babies were falling from the building? Does he have like a camera? I don't know Finally alfred constantly looking at all the babies pays off He has the baby cam they can show they're okay baby cam man He watches over the the babies. By the way, he is their god in general I find in hill areas that apparently everybody got out of this room But for some reason they locked in the babies with the nurse and nobody Yeah, no the door like was locked. I they never Happened Make sure to lock the baby room if anything goes wrong This is a small thing, but I don't think these these baby I don't know beds would roll out like that because they probably have like a little Like a little break on it that you put on when you just have that thing stationary So I think a lot of them know in this unit over before they rolled over. They don't have that in this universe Oh, okay. I thought in fact that they made that clear. This is this is got them. They grease the wheels of the baby carriage So that they roll they roll an extra amount for for added peril um so Oh my god, is this the continuity where um, we're um We're penguin winds mayor and that's one of his the things he does Well grease the wheels of all the baby carriers. I can see it. Yes We're added fun. Not impossible to dragging them all to the sewer but himself It's true. He kills them in different ways. Yeah Um, so come back to batman I would have complained that his approach is a little collateral damagey, but to be fair I think that's perfectly in line with the snider batman He's a big fan of that and so it's totally okay. Like there's a bunch of exploding cars and He's doing some awesome backflips through it and stuff and it's like, yeah, you do that I'd like to call it a bad lateral damage. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you everyone. Thank you. I'm here all night Thank you. Thank you. Mahler. I think I need to remind you about a little thing called the rule of cool What about the cool of rule? That does not exist. Wow. Well, you know what does exist People praising the choice to give blue to batman's suit in this movie, which is something people have won for a while Do you have a picture? Well, so I was about to say chat, right? You may you some of you may be happy to hear this blue in his suit What you should be more concerned with is how the suit looks and so we're gonna we're gonna just have a little look See at that right now We're gonna we're gonna give ourselves a little judgment on it and see what you guys think genuine reactions. Okay chat What do you think? Oh, I did put in this code oops The history of batman's suit aesthetics is Is a very tumultuous one I think this looks like shit This this is one of the worst batman suits I've ever seen ever looked It's actually the first time I looked at it like extend like like longer than the frames that's on screen. It's like god damn This looks awful Brain's natural defense. That was the suit affected by the acid. No No, this is how it's supposed to look. That's it's just garbage. Yeah, it looks bad I don't know what happened here. Something went wrong. His belt is gold. That's something Cool-looking suits in this universe in this continuity. He has good-looking suits. Yeah, I don't mind this night of batman suits A lot of them are pretty cool. It looks good And hell when we just came off of the batman who he had a great suit in that I don't know what they were thinking with this one hard time distinguishing Ben The actor was wearing the cowl and when it was CGI I thought it was just CGI the whole time. Um Then after seeing a few like behind the scenes photos it was He's it looks like he's got like one of those vests like a vest that you know, like we're You know without the sleeves I get what you mean. Yeah. Yeah, it looked really weird and then there is of course a problem of just having batman out in daytime It's not the best setting He doesn't look that great. Yeah Like he just really goes out of place It doesn't sleep or maybe it does sleep, which is why it's happening during the day. Maybe it does I don't know like it's just yeah Something went wrong. Metal plate is eating his bat logo as well. So that It looks like a cheerleader. He looks like a he looks like a batman cheerleader I got the distinctive brush when I saw those little like Hexagon shapes like the something had been 3d printed and glued on like that's what it looks like It's just like why does that look so awful? I got in the future. Everything is hexes from what I've heard It's supposed to be an exoskeleton. It provides extra armor. It's like Oh, I did see it when he was like scraping against the side of the shoulder was on the highway, but I think they needed to go back to the design board and figure out another way to present that, you know Because exoskeletons are usually pretty cool This wasn't as cool. This was something else Um, so, you know, yeah, that was something. Um, but yeah, I did actually kind of like the uh You know, they they set a huge like car crash for him to avoid and he um He like flies through it attaches the grapple and is you know flying Uh with his his bat gliding and then like having to skid across different obstacles use like parkour on the cars to get around And stuff some of that I was like this is kind of this feels batmanny and and he has to use a bit of You know speedy reactions and ingenuity to some extent. I'm trying to be nice to the film where I can It's not gonna happen very often So You know, most of the things I really enjoyed about this film are batman related. They're not flash related In the flash film This film doesn't have a very big interest in being a flash film. No, which is interesting Well, we saw what was the promotion was it like the funko pops or the promotional I don't like seven and one's. Yeah and one What has happened here Wow, it's both funny, but also I imagine concerning because this film's not doing well Even though they had batman plastered all over it Well, the fact was that I think if it had done well, most people would have assumed It must must have been that michael keaton dragon because nobody believes the azra miller can like, you know carry a movie I don't think that is a funny sentiment though. How it how can it be failing? They plastered batman all over this flash movie Oh You know that tricky keep pulling dc will you stuff batman into everything hoping it'll sell well Times up looks like they're starting to kill batman as a fucking money-making ip We'll have to see how braven the bold and batman 2 go Well, braven the bold is now being directed by uh, the guy directed this. Yeah Well, it's it's kind of because you know, someone might be like, well, this is belly his film It's like, I mean, I don't know like I don't know I don't know we shall see we shall see Um All right, by the way Yeah, this is a This is like super new and I've just seen this Uh, hollywood reporter talking about that there were there were three different endings to this film Um Well, it's just they're three very different films that uh, Essentially the product of the fact that this film has been Passed through so many You know hands and so many heads and so many different plans that were In motion for these dc films So, yeah Which yeah, I know they were or they just the so one of the endings was that it had keaton's batman And the new supergirl were going to be in like the universe instead of our george quinney Yeah, the other one was that that one people have known about for a while because there was set photos release of that That's one of the things that got wow. So the interesting one is the second one had both of them But also henry kevillus superman and gal Gadot Wonder Woman as well apparently So I guess they would have just removed Ben athlete because I guess he's just totally done And then there's the actual ending Right god that's crazy, isn't it? A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Oh Way to make movies. It's uh Yeah, good stuff Cinema none of those endings had anything to do with the flash No, I meant to think Scorsese might not even watch this But tom croose loved this movie every day With all these dc movies every single dc movie we stray further from god and closer to scorsese You want to be like tom you really love this movie? He's like, yeah, like name three characters. He's like batman batman batman Name three more superman superman superman Like name three more. Okay flash flash There is a food Monster I call him monster flash. Hmm. We'll do the monster flash I'm partial to purple flash, but whatever you guys want to go with when we get there it caught on in a oh, no It didn't never mind We're uh, we're right up to the really cringe uh wonder woman, uh Oh, well, so again, I want to throw in components where I can Uh batman gets into the main truck and he's like beating up some of the bad guys The driver looks over at him and then just opens his door and jumps out. I thought that was kind of sound Um, yes, I like that. It's like fuck this I was um it I was my I was kind of a little bit entertained watching batman chase the car. Um I'm not definitely don't know. Don't take that as like this. You know, I was I really like really enjoyed it But you know, there was compared to all the flash shit Um, how come he didn't he isn't setting up a pattern, but I was like, oh when I said all that I thought I figured you'd have jumped in and said, oh That like at a lengthy like it was coursing back into I felt I was on an island and I was like fine I'll be on my island. You're not on an island because you we both agreed when we watched the movie No, it's like you're on two different islands and you're like, yeah, look, this is the only island that there is We're on the same. Are we close enough to talk on these islands? There is there could be any amount of islands that you want, but moller and I are on the same island It doesn't matter how many islands there are we're on the same one What you're on the same island, but you don't realize or rather, you know, you didn't realize mollus or To Even when we watched the movies I agreed with you on this and you're talking about the cool things about the batman chase and now I'm saying yeah Yeah, like the bat the two islands a part of one island, but it got flooded and so it looks like it's two islands now Is that uh, maybe like a valley an island that has a valley in it and so now it looks like the peaks Yes, we just got to wait until summertime and then we can talk again Here's the thing though. Now we're getting into the real sort of philosophical stuff here. What does it mean? The geographical stuff. What what does it mean for an island to have a valley? I'm What does it mean? You know for an island to have a valley if it's filled with water like what does that mean to say that it's An island anymore. It's a donut. It has to be two islands around. Well, not necessarily It depends on the shape of the valley Well, so I feel like there's only one continent on earth since all of there's ultimately crust all around the whole planet But I mean we would we wouldn't say that right the oceans dividing everything Like that was kind of beautiful for me. There is only one big island and we're all a part of it The big world island No, but that was pan gaya. That's not what it is now. That's how you pronounce it, right? Is it pan g or pan gaya? It's pan g. Uh, it probably depends on the other way It's probably depends on how you say that how the greek is pronounced, but Because you have because I think it's the greek greek is pronounced greek frags. Did you know that? I think I think the pulp the point of this is depending on the kind of valley if it was flooded sufficiently highly it would change the amount of islands there'd be because you could theoretically have two islands Right because you could have the space in between like two hills that this sort of a valley But the valley could also be completely circular in which case If it was to flood right you'd have like a donut I agree. I don't want a donut now A donut would be better than the flat but eating a donut would be better than discussing the flash, but The guy with Evil material that if it touches water will destroy all of everything falls over the edge of a bridge And alfred's like, oh no, if you let that forms of the water, it'll kill everybody by the afternoon or something Uh, half of it actually it's not whatever Everyone's dead by the end of the day or something So anyway By daylight it was funny because like they're packaged in something and so the first assumption you'd have is like well Surely they have to open up whatever those things are. They're all sort of briefcase that that would have to magically open up too It does For reasons it also magically closes in an extra when they get grabbed back up. So yeah And then you'd be like, well, we're fine because batman's goes grappling hook and then it breaks. It's like, oh Yeah, okay. What's that? What was something in the chase scene that broke that? I didn't see anything I think he just used it a little bit more than one grappling hook though I mean, yeah, probably Man, he does all the grapples But uh, yes, they're about to die. Everything's about to be over, but then wonder woman that turns up So fucking random I hate it so much. I quite hate her appearances Um, be it free. You'll you'll know what I'm talking about. She's like Leonard Nimoy in The Simpsons Yeah To change seats Isn't it the isn't the x files episode where he's like, well, my work here is done and he's like, what do you mean? You didn't do anything Did no Oh, that was a monorail. Well, yeah in any case. Yeah, that's how it feels I think the x files one ends with mo trying to take the whale back to see world. Yes Um But the thing about this is all I'm trying to say is like you but well, what do women did save the day? It's like, yeah, you know what she kind of sort of I guess did but like she Is she's so fucking ego driven. It's so clear Like it's the the big pose and then sorry. I'm late with a grin. It's like, oh, yeah, thanks Yeah Well, you got you got these cars crash people are screaming as fires everywhere that building came down Who knows what else needs to be done and then she's like my work here is done and flies away My work here is done. I want to help others indeed. God bless you captain. I'm sorry you Look, she just leaves when the water is so fucked up Um, yeah She does fly down. Um, is who is it cameo is longer in shazam, right? Uh, yeah, it's probably longer my like 30 seconds. Maybe 30 Well, shazam, she's there at the end as well and revives everybody. Yeah Well, that is her cameo. She's only in one scene. She the other scene is a body double Oh, okay But yeah, uh Just just she's so like the hype surrounding here and they know what they do it because the music it pretty much She was like And then it just fades away because that's it's just you play it and that's I've ruined it. They have absolutely ruined it. Yeah Because the first time you hear you're like, this is badass that you hear it for the billionth time and you're like, yeah All right Well, it's just like the yodel it's it's yes. Well, I guess it's different because yoda was never good But it was funny as shit though. It was really funny It was but like in this case it was a cool theme that's just been absolutely run into the dirt because it's like It feels pretty awkward to just play that music when all she's done is show up grab him with the Lasso and then pull them up. Yep. It's like it doesn't feel very appropriate to be playing this action music When there's really nothing exciting happening That'd be a good joke though Like we cut to Wonder Woman and she's making breakfast and she's like putting bread in the toaster And she's got some eggs on the pan It would be that's that's that's perfect sketch comedy because then you could also have like they're like Oh, can I have one of those? She goes, um And the camera cuts back to it restarts the fucking track just for her to speak Like you just start playing it anyway You have to turn around dramatically and pose and and say like yes, yes, you can while the guy's just sort of standing there awkwardly Looking around wondering what's going on and who she's performing to Because that's how it feels it feels like she's performing to an audience not there in a moment Oh, I got it. Oh, I got it. Okay. She's she's making breakfast and everything and the music's playing and then Someone's walking outside All right, and they walk up to her door and the music's really muffled and they knock on the door and when she answers it And opens the door we get the full music Does it finally opens up? I think I think it plays from her Yeah, well The point that as you're walking past you hear it muffled And I'm like when the door closes it's muffled again And you're sort of standing outside wondering what's going on that she's like The fabric of reality around or maybe like it cuts to the bathroom door and you hear the muffled music from behind it Then the flush She opens the door that we hear the music Dude, if there was a fucking multiverse movie with her you have like one of her and then the other one says hi And then like the tracks start to fucking layer over each other The audio has got to start peaking Had a control that you just have to kill it how the multiverse breaks in that film is just exactly Well, once you get enough of the standard theme clashing it creates a yodel and then you're like, oh shit, that's tier two Now you know it's shit's getting real All of the other dianas are annoyed at guys. Do you remember how many yodels remember those yodels guys? It was like 30 of those Every time Anything on screen There was the yodel it was painful. It was pretty funny though. And now it's over because this is the end Well, so I was gonna say is that the last of Wonder Woman Gal Gadot? Is that it? I really I Probably it surely is not coming back I mean if this film's failing that's got to be the end of everything right like everything If you can have a fucking cameo in Aquaman to like write the end should be like I mean Who even knows what that like is gonna look like if there's enough champagne to fill the Atlantic Ocean Sort of like stumble across the finish line collapse into a Hey, James Gunn, you're gonna talk about how that's the best dc movie ever as well You're gonna talk about how it leads into that because I mean this we might be jumping ahead I don't feel like this film leads into a future dcu at all No But this was Because that's how they set it up, right especially like press to recent interviews and stuff. They really In heavily on this movie um ending the dcu as Everyone knows it and beginning Well, I guess the the next they calling it See you Yeah, that's the dcu is the next thing But the reality is that all of these projects were in development before any of those plans were set And they just have the awkward problem right now That they have four movies that they needed to release all of which are leading to a dead end probably and they know For as bad as it is really that this is the case that a lot of people don't have an interest in watching these films If they don't lead anywhere Which says a lot really doesn't it about like absolutely how much value we assign to Individual films at this point that nobody can watch the film for the sake of its own story It has to lead somewhere, but it probably doesn't this what happens when you fucking reset a universe That's already in motion like if someone to come in let's say when black widow released and said right We're resetting the MCU it's like pretty much more than half of phase four was probably already being like cooked And it's like what do we do with all this? It's like release it Release it just release it and try to convince people as much as possible that it has some bearing On the future when the reality is because i'm pretty sure now something that james gunner saying is blue beetle is a dcu character But the film isn't a dcu film. It's like what does that mean? What does that mean? Like I don't understand what that means the actor will be reprising his role as blue beetle. I guess we'll be doing the story Yeah, it's like so he's If they have him again, then that means that he Then they can't reference them. They can't do that. Yeah, surely they can't reference the movies from Yeah, that's what i'm saying. Yeah, like if he's back if he comes back. They can't reference the movie that the first movie he was in Exactly well at least the reality you can't because you can't attach any of that to this There's too much baggage With the dcu like people don't people think dc films suck Like in a general audience sort of perspective of like a disinterest in them clearly Because look at how well these films are doing. It's a really in this case popular meme on twitter Like it's posted all the time, which is dc fans online and it shows like this credibly passionate crowd And then dc fans in the theater and it's just an empty theater and don't show up. They're just not turning up Yeah, I think it was like 10 people in this in my screening or something It's uh, and I mean this this whole film has been a crazy man I'm cycling through some of these posters on screen. I just so many of them are like Yeah, the flash is here, but it's mainly bad bad We say that uh that he wasn't um restarting everything so he was keeping virtually he was just keeping everything that That he did with Can't do that Really can't do that. You know, oh like It's just confused. I I all of it is going to lead to confusion I imagine among audiences of like wait, what is the nature of like canon? It's already going to be hard enough to run the concurrent the batman stuff Like that already is probably going to be challenging to manage But even having to manage whether or not you need to understand anything about these like what 12 13 14 films That a lot of people didn't see i'm pretty sure every single dc e u film like in the last three years has failed Like just failed actually lost money at the box office Well, yeah, someone's pointing out peacemaker is in continuity with the films of the dcu, isn't it? Uh, yeah, it has to be right aquaman shows up in it. Justice league shows it Yeah, well that old fringy. That's just cuz aquaman. He's not a he's a dc character But it's not a dc film Yeah, whatever Imagine peacemaker season two. Is it a different continuity to peacemaker season one? It's like So that's the problem. I I'd imagine it's a really frustrating situation to be in they brought james gunnen to basically Make the hard call and reset everything and what he did was I'm gonna keep the stuff that I like that I did To be honest with you if this movie had made like over a billion It would be even more confusing They'd be like, do we now keep ezra miller flash and michael keaton batman Is that what is are they in our new universe? Now that it's failed that's made the decision very easy for them. Yeah, just cut them out cut This is all yeah pointless. Yeah And you know james, I'm sorry that I thought the movie was great. Bye. Bye Um, so anyway back to the movie, uh, the the Lasso of truth is attached to batman and the bad guy and then batman says I like I would say thank you, but my ego is far too great to allow that Doesn't you have to activate that lasso for this to happen? I thought she had to ask questions Yeah, I thought batman was smart enough to get that. Well, well, if you remember in in justus league Um aquaman is sitting on it and they she didn't he didn't get asked any questions And he just started spilling all of the secret. So this film apparently is in continuity with the snider cut not justus league Ben aflux here compels you to tell the truth Because then I guess I I don't know then Yeah, there's a reference from ben aflux batman in the It's an event in the movie that's only in snider cut not in justus league from what i'm with gander And we actually have seen snider cut in the uh her active first time travel scene We see the aquaman point that we all love. I that's true I think when she says that it does activate it because it like glows doesn't it like and glows when it's Yeah, because when in way way back in wonder woman one, uh when she brings chris pine um to the original to like all the other chicks And He's like, uh, and he's like i'm not gonna tell you anything and he gives his name rank in serial number because he's a good soldier man And he's like actually the last so doesn't fucking care tell the truth. It's magic, bitch And he's like, okay, actually i'm gonna and it act and it kind of hurts But i'll do it like she does have to activate it. I think And unless unless you set on it Then you just sort of lab and just figure there was some kind of direct exposition. I didn't think that she was actually Activating it. I think it glows like she like lifts it up or like she grabs it and pulls it a little bit and it like goes Because I think it's like an active and then it turns into a passive later. It's like a really inconvenient Uh We don't activate that I just thought it was a bit cringe to that line. A lot of people said this really funny. I didn't find it funny I thought there was kind of lame that batman himself would feel his ego is too great to say thank you to people Especially after his conversation with wonder woman about that That's all yeah, that's true. You're right. Yeah That is not a canon event is Zach Snyder fucking cut out one of the good things just we Wait, no, he cut it out. Yeah, he cut it out. Well, that was a race shoot is that was something that was added Technically not cut out of Snyder's version Okay, he yeah, I can believe Zach Snyder wouldn't have had it in the first place. Yeah Yeah, it's fair. Um, I think the line that Barry has paraphrasing here But someone like I've heard about sex, but I don't know what it is or that I don't know how it feels or something like that Mm-hmm. He says I know that sex exists, but I've never experienced it myself. Yeah, it's like, okay These these are examples of some of the comedy that's just not working at all for me. I've like, oh, that's pretty cringe But all right, you do you it's okay to make fun of uh flash for being a virgin, but you mean god forbid Well, and you have the other thing that annoys me is wonder woman's just sitting there smiling like Uh, what it's like this this was a fucking disaster. What happened today. You know that He's like sure there's like sure. Oh, yeah There's that guy in that tanker that exploded. He got roasted to a crisp Free what if he's out there right now screaming as he's burning It sounds like a south park joke if you're like help me wonder woman help me wonder woman specifically Diana Diana prince, please help me It would be so sad but oh or it's not like that wicked boy. Oh god. It's all like I blame you At least the guy who died horribly in the fire that tanker explosion didn't have to watch the rest of this fucking Yeah, if there's anything else anyone to say about that set of scenes I'm willing to move on to when barry goes to work Uh, let me see uh truck driver probably dead batman kills this movie again wonder woman's in the movie Oh, yeah, this is no wonder woman's in the movie Um batman should be wanting to take off that lasso really quickly Um, oh, yeah, the justice league should probably be really concerned about all the collateral damage Like the falling buildings and the rescue efforts, but they're just like wonder woman's just like nope I'm I'm fucking off Uh, and no one else in the justice league seems to care We certainly don't get anything on it, but Yeah, we're moving on. We got a multi-vessel story to tell so yeah, we have shit to do. We don't care about civilians We got cool awesome stuff to do. We got cool hero things to do a police car that flipped over a thousand times Yeah, but then it's fine. It's this night of us. We don't do they're both roll They got roll that they're that's what the roll cage is for and if you don't use your roll cage Then it's like it's like you're wasting money It's like the airbags like what are you paying for if you don't use it? So, uh Barry's boss at work The noid that he's late and he says you need to focus your motion do the work close the case and move on Can you think of how that might apply to other things? Oh, I I move on No, yeah, sure Themes yeah, he themes I can tell I can tell that it's move on because those are the literal exact words he uses Makes it easy for someone like me who goes to see the flash Starring Michael Keaton and no one else Yeah Um, and then he's walking out of the building with his uh work buddies And he sees that same boss like having like some kind of press conference and he says Like we've analyzed the evidence and it's more than conclusive and then Barry's like what we didn't even finish Analyzing it. Geez and then the friends of his are like And then Barry like turns them He's like we're dealing with real people real families. I don't think you grasp the gravity of this situation I was just sitting there like what the fuck is going on They're trying to imagine being any of these people right like this guy's announcing We've got conclusive evidence for some case then Barry tells you like no, we don't we haven't finished analyzing it at all So that's all ready to me like why is he announcing that if that's true? What and then the friends being like la la la we haven't even finished analyzing the Evidence for the case of potential murders I think it might be the film's mega clumsy way of trying to be like Yeah, the justice system and the criminal investigatory and the yeah It sucks and it's not fair and it's bad and the people who work in it are a bunch of losers I don't know we're bad Lost listening to that conversation I didn't know what they wanted me to think the fact that barry had to remind them That depending on forensic information people's lives can be destroyed. It's like didn't everyone know this Later in the film Barry specifically says the broken justice system that we have so I guess those friends of his a part of those shit the system is I don't know It's like a soft spot that's that they started but they just don't do anything with it They just forget about it like that doesn't go anywhere the whole broken justice system And like irish shows up and he says oh, yeah, those are those are my friends I had I thought they were like harassing him. I thought they were following him and being Kind of workplace bullies. I didn't think he considered them to be any kind of oh, they just assholes like I thought they were his friends I don't know anymore. I don't know I don't know So what did chat ask by the way with uh, so you know what the consequences of the time traveling from the snider cut if this is in line with that nothing Don't think about it. Oh, right Just like the movie in which it appeared. Yeah, there was no consequences of that door. They had this. Um Yes, uh, iris does created another spaghetti noodle. Maybe this is maybe it's a noodle Maybe it's it and this is the movie that happened as a result of the spaghetti noodle Um iris shows up and they have a conversation that I thought was I had thoughts about right so you have she the first thing she says is your father's appeal is tomorrow, right? I'm covering it for the paper And then he's like, whoa, you asking me about this for the paper and she says no, you know just as a friend But the public would like to know And I was like, oh, thanks Wait, and then he's like my only official comment is that my dad is innocent And I was like, okay, good move from him because yeah, this this person might be a vulture. Be careful And then she says, well, you know, no one would want to believe their dad killed their mom And he's like, what do you mean believe? And I like and I was just I was just like jesus christ Like what happened? I thought iris supposed to be like a Friendly person and you know, she later explains like, oh, yeah, I should have been more sensitive in that conversation It's like no, you're just being a dick. Like this is just weird shit to say Like oh, yeah, your dad's like basically facing the court case of his whole life tomorrow How are you feeling about it? The people of the public world would like to know and I'm writing for the paper It's like fuck off and then yeah, and then to say like, of course you would want to believe your dad didn't kill your mom Thanks Why why? You know, and then he like runs off, um, which I thought was just a great decision to stay away from it No, she comes back though. So yeah, this is basically the love interest Office in this movie is like, okay remember when flash took the wiener And I remember the wiener Remember the sesame seed I will never actually hit that music forever burned into the back of my brain It might be the most famous sesame seed in cinematic history She ended up like asking him like, hey, didn't I like see you somewhere? Yeah, uh, was she perceiving? I don't know Him in the speed force literally like less than I don't even know if he would have registered it in front of her face even as a blip like anything Um, but apparently so yeah, she has some memory of him from that experience Which is which doesn't work because at the end when flashes with mom in the supermarket He like kind of takes his I mean, she doesn't notice anything. So that wouldn't Maybe maybe she's just all right because he does. Yeah, she's old. Yeah She's old but iris is young and fertile so she can notice with her eyeballs Just higher fbs The man in his wiener in front of her very quickly. She's like a fighter pilot She just needs to see a flash of something Nice one Wait, is this this canon just now to god? How come she doesn't know he's the flash? Oh, no Oh, no You guys are fast. That's how fast he was so fast FPS uh, so We move on to he phones his dad and he tells him like I had Bruce Wayne run the footage or a friend Whatever run the footage is crystal clear, but you never look up So it's kind of useless to them and then the dad says like don't worry about it It's actually easier for me in here than out there because at least in here I can imagine she's still alive out there living her life I thought that was really strange I don't I don't think that kind of a Man, it's it's almost awkward right that you would be like, you know It's almost better for me in here away from you not really like in your life You know because it makes things easier for me like you know what I mean? Like it's it's it's very strange things to say And his excuse is doubly odd because you'd think that if you were in prison for the murder of her It would be really difficult for you to forget There are to fool yourself into thinking that she was alive when you're in prison You have to deal with the it's something that the film doesn't address because And I'm guessing because of course there'll be no sequel But like you're just cool with like the guy who did it actually just being out there like scoffery Like you you're I suppose someone would try and argue it's like well He's saying all of this to convince barry to stop wasting any time trying to get him out of there Because he thinks it's hopeless I just think it's a really strange thing to say because you could you could argue that for Anywhere you could be home and still imagine she's alive if you want to do it that way I just think that they were they were way better options for like, you know barry We've already lost someone we love so much like why why should we lose? Like why should you lose your life trying to get me out of here or something when it's just never gonna happen Something like that, you know I was just thinking of him being in prison and then another prisoner comes up to him and says So what are you in here for and he's like no reason No reason I don't like to think about it. I don't even know what it is I just like it here. It's just I just need this, you know, this this kind of structure in my life Is just what I need to get free food. I have a scheduled day. It's great. I love it Please never talk to me again This phone call would have been a great spot for like the theme to come barging in because I would expect the movie to have done that Oh His father could have said something like, hey, you know, I'm just gonna I have to learn to move on You have to learn to move on It doesn't hit it just the very opposite. He's like, no, I'm not gonna move on. I'm gonna you might even say It's a good time to prompt the idea that some problems can't be solved You know, maybe that would be an example of a time to do that Instead in seconds from that moment, they prompt it with something else They have a little flashback in the flash's house because he's he's over He's checking it out while he's on the call with his dad And uh, he remembers being fun on the on the dad's and by the way Oh Yeah, he just very okay How do you hear like the full audio of the flashback like the above and the kids? He's just like what the fuck You're thinking out loud barry. What is happening? So the the kids doing some math problems and uh, this this is such a moment of Man, you you're a real good writer. No offense because that's obviously sarcastic But uh, a lot of films do this They'll have a seemingly innocuous event and that you think back to it once you've seen the whole movie And you see like oh that was setting the the sort of the breadcrumbs or the the Foundations for what kind of point the film's trying to make get this all the time But uh, this would be probably one of the most referenced for me in terms of just how clunky and bad this is. All right, so Let's set the scene the kid is solving a math problem And it says how many ways can you make 24? Meaning of course like, oh, I don't know 12 times two. It's like, yeah, that's one 12 plus 12 You're like, yep, that's another one and you know, you theoretically is like, I could I could fill Many pages with all kinds of answers And it's and he says, you know, mom, this is unfair. What am I supposed to do? There's so many answers Then she says a mother to her son about his math problems Not every problem has a solution sometimes you need to let go And that is how barry failed math It's so funny because it's like if your math teacher heard that they'd be like Why did they tell you that in relation to math? It's kind of weird because you know, it's been a while since I was in school But I don't recall ever correctly solving a mathematics question using a philosophy answer So My mom told me to let go Talk about as well as he already has like 50 answers on that thing. So he already He's already done it Exceeded with flying colors so Her telling him to let go of the thing He put like multiple solutions to because all the point is like, oh, that's not a solution to everything He has like 50 solutions already. So it doesn't doesn't even check out at all If you take it for what the writer was hoping you take away from it just that message It's clunky as hell But then you actually look at like the material he's done to to make it an allegory or whatever You said like this doesn't make any sense. This is nobody would ever say this about this It's like it's two layers. The clunk is framed in a clunky way It's not even like here's the clunk everybody The clunk is just it like trips in when it comes into the room. Like, hey everyone It's me. Ah, he trips on some things. He's like, oh god. It's me. It's me everyone. It's me. Hi. I'm here I'm the clunk. So I'm gonna do a meme right now Oh my god, because I actually I actually watched flash the flashpoint paradox Before we got on the stream because I I haven't watched it in a while And they have this this this theme in there as well And they put that in there like 42 seconds into the movie and it's so much simpler and way easier So the thing is they have like a like an accent not like an accent with the car like the car broke down and they're like, hey Stop for me Barry is like kid Barry and there's like, uh, why don't they stop for me? That's bullshit Fuck you random person And then the then his mom comes around. It's like, hey, that's fine And then she just says when I was a little girl grandma taught me a prayer Except the things you cannot change have the courage to change the things you can And have the wisdom to know the difference And then Barry just says I don't really I don't totally get I totally don't get that really And she's like, you will and that's it But when does the math come in? No nowhere. It's no math Well, that's a miss. It's just so funny because it's so much simpler and non convoluted. It's just oh, yeah, that's way better Yeah, but oh well Oh, well, we had a different version that it was clearly way better. Uh, yeah, it's an insane version We have the spaghetti movie. So hey man. Hey man. This is the this is the universe Where there is apparently only one fucking camera in a convenience store Pointed down at the fucking cans of tomatoes And that's not very fucking convenient Oh, yeah, I didn't even bring that up. I've complained to meme about this We just went past it. Oh, like I don't even I don't understand why his dad is in prison anyway Well, so yeah, I mean for people that don't know the way the the mum dies and this is so It's just such an absurd like set of information. She goes to the store. She picks up some stuff She comes home. Oh no, I forgot the tomato soup or whatever I'm gonna have to get your father's gonna have to go get it So he's sent to go get it and while he's gone someone comes into the house because they assume it's empty She is holding a knife and there's a scuffle and then she gets stabbed that guy runs away dad comes home Holds the the the wife grabs the knife from her and then it looks like he's the one that actually stabbed her So the only thing to be able to absolve him would be the if they had evidence that he did go and get that soup Um, yeah, I think the reason I believe in the comics it was reverse flash did it, right? Yeah, when It was me. Yeah. Yeah. He goes by both names. Um, but uh, Yeah, um, well So so the whole idea with with him is that uh, you know, he can't stop the flash from becoming the flash Because otherwise he won't become reverse flash, but he can do everything But so he can go back and ruin his life in other ways and so one of the ways he does it is kills his mum Uh, and uh, this is a I might be skipping ahead a bit here But barry seems very avoidant or very disinterested in actually seeing who killed his mom. Yep Absolutely, which is something he can get for free. He can just go grab that information whenever he wants It wouldn't even affect the timeline change anything Absolutely Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't check at all. He dude. He's He's super happy with the story some guy at the right moment in time Just happened to decide this house is empty and came in and stabbed by mum. Yeah, that just happens, you know Why does it hate my mom so much? Yeah And we see you can just pop his head into So all the time And find out but he doesn't so the high line is like wait So did he not have a receipt to prove the the purchase and it's like does he not have card information? Did he pay by cash with would the cashier not be able to Recognize him That's what I was going for Yeah, and it's like, yeah, no none of this. It's only the cam. That's it and the camera only have one camera Pointed at the fucking tomato cans. You don't have one at the entrance No Tomatoes so impressive for everybody that this is the main cause you think you have the tomatoes are from Italy They're very expensive. Okay those That's the most valuable aisle in the entire store people come from all over the all over the Town to steal the tomato sauce from this one. You can see in the footage or whatever lots of people in the store By the way, even if we were being like super generous to the film His dad leaves. He doesn't take the car. He just goes out to the middle of nowhere Comes back and his wife is stabbed. I just how would an investigation end up with him being put in prison? Well, his fingerprints would be on the knife because he grabbed it, but they should also be Competing but the fingerprints of course, it's his knife Yeah, but he pulled it out Wait, but there's a there's another problem Just because the camera shows that he was at the shop doesn't really do anything because he got there Like 10 seconds after it happened So like that alibi doesn't even mean anything. That's actually true. He could surely he killed her anyway It doesn't it actually doesn't mean anything because she gets stabbed like 10 50 He hears it. He hears the commotionum runs in. Yeah, she's still alive when he gets in the room So That doesn't involve him at all if that's the logic that the film. Wow. So like that just doesn't work at all That is the logic the film has. Yeah Holy And they show us they show us the scene. She's still like she's still like gasping while he's there. So she's not actually It doesn't it doesn't even work. Wow. Wow. Wow great. We made it even worse gray Well, and this is especially relevant because he is absolved by being spotted in that store at the end of the film Yeah, that's a good point. Jesus Christ. I was just gonna highlight like how bad this is already We haven't even gotten to the multiverse. No, we haven't gotten to the time travel on the multiverse at all of the It stems from that Like it's yeah, this is the thing is it's kind of this is one of those ones Who's just like this is gonna be awful in there and then you're like it didn't have to be this awful again Why do they like why are you so bad at this? Why do they keep making shitty movies? Just make it It could be mediocre You know, it could be like, uh, it could be four or five six out of ten, you know in that general middling It has to be like no, it has to be shit And it has to be the worst movie ever made every time Please care. Please care Please Why does it have to be broken in every single regard and now you're gonna make a batman movie Yeah, it's seriously like they just the first draft is just what they went with is just like an afternoon Uh, the mid flashes this and then the batman says this and then the time travel ruins everything And then there's two berries and he eats salad and falls asleep And then the movie ends and like it's just done. That's that's it Do you want to revise the draft? It's like I might check it for spelling But you know, it doesn't really matter If they just go with it No one goes through these things and is like, oh, does any of this make sense? This is a matter of whatever. It's fine. We'll just you know what instead of me making a good movie. What if we Make more batman This is like the cowbell. This is like the cowbell skip. More cowbell. But we need more batman or batman They did a few batmans in this but they weren't enough. They did you know Only we had more Batman the reason I brought that up by the way the whole like we haven't hit the multi-verse yet It's because we're literally about to hit the multi-verse now. This is the this is it The next thing that happens is he speeds off angrily and then he goes, whoa Needs a coliseum of things. Does nobody have a comment about his father telling him to call the cops and him running out of the house Oh, yeah, I mean he's a kid Like he's he got scared Hoping to find it is a little funny It is really it is Imagine he ran out immediately and said my dad killed my mom. My dad killed my mom Oh god, he told me to get the police but I didn't listen It's a trap the police are in on it. My dad's evil. He wasn't getting soup at all. He was getting a knife to stab my mom If he was supposed to get soup, how come he didn't come back with soup? This story doesn't add up Oh my god, I bet his fingerprints are on his own knife. That's evidence I Do have a comment though about what's it called the About about the scene in between the the coliseum and the flashback because something very funny happens that I feel must be highlighted Very well, because we we we get this You know, we see Barry. He's all sad. Oh, no, my oh, no, I'm sad I saw the house and then he like he starts running and we and we get this shot of his legs going faster and faster He's speeding up. He's speeding up and then he and then we get to the green screenshot He zooms off the super speed and he's his legs are going slower as he speeds up now. What the fuck? I don't know how this shit works. Okay. This is the fastest he's ever gone because this he that's how he unlocks the multiverse, I guess And when you go really fast you slow down, obviously Well, you know, that's how he runs. That's like his his run He's like He enters a multiverse that has a user interface designed for him. Yes You know, you don't want to like a ceiling fan or a desk fan thing spins so fast You can start seeing it. It looks like spinning slowly like the blades. They create like an image. That's what you're seeing It's not that he's moving slower. He's just really really fast. Okay. Yeah, it's like the wheels on a car Yeah, or a beyblade that was meant to Uh, convey like he's now entering the speed force. I'm just making fun of it. I don't really Does this film even say what the speed force is or is is that just so like is that an incredible amount of meta doing the heavy lifting? I think they try to avoid explaining Too much about the rights to the speed force. I'm sure they do. They just it's just the last you explain about it The speed force I'm pretty sure they do in the film. Okay. Yeah, I can't remember I think it's interesting how we don't all have a definitive answer in the affirmative, but it's Well, it's like I think it's a complicated disaster this, you know, it's it is a It's very it's like spaghetti Uh, yeah, so Oh, and how does this work with him going back in how with him running super fast in this the snider cut or the How does that what I don't know I don't know Is he running faster than that or slow? I assume he's running faster than the time travel one if he can go to different dimensions Yeah, hang on. So sorry if that's what you're asking is like what's the difference between him running so fast He reverses time and running so fast. He has access to the multiversal DVD menu or whatever Yeah Yeah, what what how does that even is it like Like is it like I start on my left foot or start on my right foot or maybe it Maybe it's a pure speed thing where you have like little Like little windows if you run between this speed and this speed you can cross dimensions But if you run between this speed and this speed now, we're now it's just time travel and that's different Why did he not already know that he could time travel? He oh me kind of did but well he did from the slider cut Yeah, well I When moller and I were watching the movie I had suggested that this time travel thing It should have been something that was on his mind for a long time Like in between movies and stuff where he's been thinking about it You know and he's and he's like researching it and he's looking at all these books and he's watching videos And he's like learning about the what's the theory behind You know quantum this and in time travel that and everything and then maybe that's what clues batman in to be like Oh, she is berry thinking about doing some time travel shenanigans. I'd better say no berry. Don't do it This is bad stuff Don't do it But instead the film is just like I don't know they talk in an alley. I guess about it we get because uh Has he they there should have been that conversation You're right where he says like I reversed it enough so that we could kill dark side Maybe I could reverse it really far and what you know, what does that mean? Can I can I really undo some disasters and then you have bat fleck be like Eh, don't We're gonna get to that actually but yeah, so he says scars make us who we are and all that so yeah We'll get there. Uh, we when we enter the multi-versal coliseum fleamer It's it's the thing that uh, the director's trying to defend You see like think of it as like as was said a coliseum where he's in the center of it On like a treadmill that's just running constantly, but he's running backwards, right? His legs are going backwards. I think I can't remember The way it works is like loads of think of it as a frame from a movie But then repeat it over and over again in a big circle And then a layer up is a different part of a different movie the same thing and up again and up again and They're all like playing but they're all not from the movies They're all recreations in cg that are really bad And apparently they are bad on purpose now I'm willing to concede that there was some Intention of trying to make them look particularly stylized. It just looks like shit. Yeah, it looks pretty bad Which both of those things can be possible Okay, I compared this Look to the look that the kryptonian ship Man of steel decided to recreate the events of like the fall of krypton Oh, yeah, look This um, I don't understand it because of how much time this has been cooking as a film But I guess they were actually happy with what they had there. They were like, yep, this is the style we want Do you think of many of the animators are like, this is the style you want and he was like, yes And they're like, okay, so the style is called unfinished We're just gonna let it be that's fine Um, yeah, and so he sees all of that and he concludes by poking Oh, you remember this he pokes his head through and they It's I've seen the meme on twitter. It's like so love and thunder bullshit all Love and thunder literally set out a challenge and the flash said hold my beer. It was like I got this It's the same thing that like disembodied head floating there with with weird cg bullshit behind it. It's like wow You did it again Did you guys not know that everyone made fun of the other movie for it? You've had like love and thunder's been out for how long That people have been making fun of that particular moment of love and thunder for how long I I just don't get it. How did nobody on the team be like we should probably say that movie has We should probably alter this and you'd be like how and it's like just don't do it with the floaty head It looks terrible. People make fun. That's just don't What do you think they will like we've got translucent or something or they're something like that it could work Something maybe but do you think the uh, they were like there's so much bad shit in here Whatever just let it go. There's no point in trying to hide a little bit of it You gotta move on it's like we fine. Well, we've gotta move on to the other 97,000 things we've got to animate if we have time we'll come back and give it a second pass and they Of course never did but that was probably what they're like. We've got to do at least all of it You know the first run through Anyway, uh from that he concludes holy shit. I can go back in time and change events Find a way Gonna be amazing So yeah, he goes to talk to bruce And he's like you can travel back through time. He's like, yeah, which I thought was weird because they already knew that um, and then he's like that's uh Sounds like it's gonna be irresponsible And he's like I figured you'd say that because you have no idea what the consequences would be which is just yep That's the normal thing to say And then he's like but I can fix things I can save your parents And then he says the thing he says barry these scars we have they make us who we are We're not meant to go back and fix them. There's nothing broken about you You know, that's that's that's to be you know Then uh, and he says take it from a guy who's made a lot of mistakes. Don't live in your past. Live your life Don't let your tragedy define you Uh, you contradicted yourself Wait, I did or he did He did a little bit these scars make us who we are. Don't let your past find you It's like you kind of just did though a little bit. That's true Yeah, I have a spirit of what he's saying. Well barry even says it is kind of funny to be like I think bruce is like genuinely I think bruce is saying that he is a victim of that and it's not that's not a good thing because he says Like I've been a little bit. Yeah, you know barry says your tragedy made you a hero and he says it also made me alone What he well, I think what they could have done is they could have just had uh bruce say well My parents dying is a canon event Well The point being in this case is that's what batman is saying to uh to flash Flash ain't really uh, well I thought he was like the whole your tragedy made you a hero him saying it also made me a load I was like, well, that's the way you've written that that's gonna prompt now barry to say something and he does He says do you want to hang out? Then bruce is like not this time maybe some other time I was like that that that almost feels like your meta statement, doesn't it? Oh, yeah, I was like Why did you write it that way? Because now you have to have it awkwardly end But it was like kind of the most meaningful thing you say in this whole movie that you have this ending of like I have a load. It's like I could hang out with you and he's like, no You know, we don't have time for that. We gotta get in the multi bus stuff. Uh, by the way, that's the end of you never That's the end of uh, uh, that's been like batman. That's it I'm an aphelic batman I will say both Both his bruce Wayne is per state. He's down the alley. Goodbye. Both his bruce Wayne and batman appearances. We're uh Solid considering though both like two minutes long At max, uh, yeah, yeah, I mean kind of it's sad that we never got to see a fully realized like ben aphelic Batman bruce wane in the way that could have been a great batman Uh, I mean, yeah, it's uh, it is a little bit sad, isn't it? Really could have been a great potential that was I was like it's they had three Super great. They had a great superman actor great batman actor and they're just like, well, we'll never get to know What that could have been, you know, no, we never really will and it's not their fault. It was the fault of the uh, What? Did someone hear that did y'all hear that I heard a whistle, but I don't know who that was That was me. I was just uh, sending off ben aphelic with a whistle. Oh, okay. All right Don't grumble give a whistle Yeah, he's gone and uh Although funny that berry mentioned or that is like, yeah, yeah butterfly flag understand and then he proceeds the movie not understanding the butterfly effect Like at all Well, yeah, it's a problem one way or the other on one way Uh, ben aphelic believes or rather batman believes he understands the issue which makes him a complete fool Or he doesn't believe that barry understands in which case he should be fucking following him And you know what? It would have been an excuse for another action scene to have barry commit to the whole multi-versal traveling thing He's gonna do it and then batman comes to stop him and then they have to like do a thing You know because I I think it's retarded that batman's like Oh, you're intending to save my parents and your mom and you believe you can do this with no consequences Well, you shouldn't buy Like he's gonna do it dude. He's gonna do it. He's obviously gonna do it And and what he's what's interesting is that there should be that so There's a couple like little layers here, right in terms of the The sort of things that maybe a smarter more Intelligent deep thinking writer might have gone with if you're bruce wane And you really believe that if this guy this this kid essentially It has the power to time travel cross universes do stuff like that That means that you would be living in like existential terror that you might just stop existing one moment And a different version of like everything in reality is constantly But it's it's like is that you essentially have someone Who's a reset button for the universe and they can press it at any moment And you just have to live knowing that that's something that they could just do Whenever they want to and that must be a really weighty thing to have on your mind but There's also when it comes to the element of being a time traveler There's this idea that if you can as was established in the um The the zack snider the snider cut of justice league, right? If you can constantly reset Anytime you want without consequences Then it devalues everything. Yep. No event. No person. No accomplishment Nothing has any value every conversation that you have with someone Every thing that you do everything that happens to you You can just reset it People aren't even people there is there. There's not even there's not even like a person there because if you ever If something bad happens to you that you don't want or if you have a conversation with someone and it doesn't go your way It's fine. Just reset it Nothing has any finality. Nothing has any value to it. I mean think about this uh rags from what we discovered in this movie It's not set in stone that dark side successfully invades and kills like all of the justice league But it is set in stone that the flashes mum dies like it's one of these like Yeah, it's like why is this Why is this a thing that has to happen? Why is this a canon of it? Why why is this a thing that just happens to be like serious? Is someone is there like some deity some Some agent that's making it to where it has to be this way because there's no Like there's no logical or intuitive link between These things happening, right? How come the universe resets? If the flashes mom lives like what like why is that? What's the link? What how does one lead to the other? We'll go we'll go even heavier on that once we get the person to explain all the mechanics when we get there the exposition scene Yeah, we're not Well, we're a little far away I guess um So, yeah, uh iris just pops up and she's like on a hang and uh, There's like there's a couple jokes one of them is she's like wow. You have fancy friends and he says it was an uber executive uber uh, because obviously it was freaking super expensive thing 5050 joke And she says i'm not here as a reporter can we talk which is The quickest way to trust a report. I'm sure So here's the thing like uh If you're a reporter, it's just like it's like you're if you're a game journalist just fucking stay away from me It's like it doesn't matter You're it's just like I you're trying to get news from me. You're trying to get something I just don't believe you especially after the last thing that you said to me You know, I just don't you know, we're not gonna be friends You're trying to weasel your way into learning into a story. Yeah Sucks. Yeah, imagine like when they're selecting difficulty they say i'm not here as a game journalist I'm not here as a game I'm not here as a game journalist. No, then they actually played the hard mode. It's like, uh, that's the way the way I want Ah, finally I could pretend I like video games like no, I could finally I can enjoy video games enough of this charade Ah I'm not even getting paid to play this video game. I'm doing it because I enjoy it Uh, so grabs uh, well he like fast cleans up his room Uh It turns out like a slapstick comedy for like five minutes. Yeah, kind of I hated it to be honest personally I just find funny at all. I I like I think it's I thought it was it's like yeah, it's like a lot of sometimes the jokes There's a couple jokes in here that I was like, okay, that's good And this is also yeah one of those mad ones Of course the flash is like, oh shit a girl's coming over and he uses his super flash powers To clean up his place really really really quickly before he opens the door I'm like, yeah, I see it's amusing. You know something, you know You can tell just by just by the the way the shot was framed because it was very jarring to me When they were standing in the doorway And he's walking over and there's this very clear cut in the middle of the frame He was going to lean on the wall and the closet was going to pop open Yeah, I'll come in from a mile away. Mm-hmm Uh, he phases through the wall to grab beers and uh as someone who's not that familiar with flash's powers I was like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, that's how they introduced that. That's yeah, he figured that out at some point and that's something you can do It's gonna come up later in a couple of ways um And the and the beer pops when he opens it it goes Which is another yeah, I didn't mind that one So that's a pretty good really good joke. He's very good joke Enjoyed that it didn't interrupt the scene like it just happened and they brushed it off They didn't dwell on it well We sort of passed by another little subtle one where as they're as after he cleans up the room super fast And they walk into the room He steadies the light fixture because it's kind of swaying a little bit and he reaches up and he makes it still As they're having a conversation like oh, that's nice little subtle as oh, that's a little slightly amusing Oh, look at you go. You're making some you're doing a doing a humor. All right Like you anyway the talking he says I should have been more sensitive and he says I could have been less sensitive and she's like you lost so much both parents and Technically through the system and she's like you wanted to fix it, right? That's why he became a forensics person and he says yeah fix it if I could just Go back and fix it. I could fix it I was said they're like you're that was literally your point of view with bruce. What do you mean? Why are you saying this like this is just? You haven't thought about this since the first time you realized you could time travel That wasn't like your first thing you thought about but like I don't I don't buy it That's exactly what he was saying earlier. It's like I could make it so our parents didn't die It's like, oh, you mean like fix it But for some reason in this scene when she says fix it, he's like wait a minute Fix it. Oh my god. That's it euphoria You you're what's the word you eureka? That's it We've discovered the truth fix it. That's just what I needed to hear now. I will do this is like We did it this is like if iris shows up late for the date and she says Oh, sorry, it took me so much time to you know travel over here. It's like wait time to travel Oh Time crap time wait a second wait wait there You should have just gone really clunky with it uh in this movie and had iris be like man You know, I never told anybody this but My mom almost died if I hadn't told her to get some soup and uh You know just that sometimes you just can't go back in time and tell someone to drop a soup can you know You know, I mean you were going you were going a different angle where she's like man Sometimes, you know, I sometimes I wonder if you know, if I had a time machine what I would do with it And I I would probably go back and save you know, my mom from dying and my dad from being ever being framed for her But since she actually mentioned The desire to travel back in time Does she I thought I thought If we could only I think she does I thought I thought he said something like if I could only go back And then she's like, yeah, you know, we we all wish that or whatever But yeah, it's just there's so many examples of how Uh rough the writing is in terms of just there's just no subtlety at all And it's kind of sad because like everything else is already going to be Fucked because like the multiversal rules, but I don't even get like basic dialogue to sound even remotely real Just uh the goals of pushing the plot along is is all the writing is um Yeah He goes on this ramble and it's like, oh I can do this and this and this and this and just Unlocks his super computer right in front of her and then leaves It's like, oh you probably Don't want to do that is um his logic by the way is that if I get her that soup can She won't send the dad off to go and get it And thus he will be in the house and able to protect her from the guy who stabs right? Yes, what if the dad just got stabbed as well Dad what if the whole family got hilarious? He'd be like, oh fuck. No, I killed them both Why I just like yeah, uh, it's so weird that he didn't want to find out who did the stabbing And maybe just stop them as they enter the house. He just fucking punches them in the face Yeah, he just waits outside the house, you know by there and then once the guy shows up Yeah, he just punches him. He just clocks him in the face saves his mom consider that to be like too much interaction The the the consequence is the mum staying alive. Is it not? That's the reason that everything fucks up It's not like the moving the can was the reason everything changed necessarily because this that's another problem Is that the idea they literally use the term butterfly effect and yet don't respect what that means That if you go back in time and are present there at all that means you've changed everything But you being there is a completely thing that shouldn't have happened The idea that it's like oh moving a can versus punching a guy in the face You know consequently the punch is way bigger, right and it's like not necessarily They should have gone with like ripples like well He's like changing something time is like, you know throwing rock in a pond where you know everything you do Makes a ripple so make sure that if you go back in time You just make tiny tiny little ripples that don't go very far. It doesn't really change anything big You know just do little things do little things unless you change, you know the safer you are and this is like nah spaghetti Yeah, there's actually what they as a comparison is what they do in the flashpoint paradox That's like the only rule they put up. It's like, yeah, if you change something it changes Things in front and back. That's all there's no multi-verse shenanigans going on Just uh, this is funny to see because they they base a lot of it from there And it's like you had it right there. Why did you add all these bullshit things to those rules? They needed Batman and Batman and Batman Bat fleck says like even a change of the blade of grass could make like serious consequences difference and then Barry says as he's leaving like I can go there and back without ever making much of a difference It's just like you're just avoiding Like the dialogue is easier when you don't have to actually address anything. You're just like, uh, fuck it Barry's gonna do it anyway. Uh, we don't want to have an interesting No, totally an interesting conversation. We just won Batman and Batman and Superman and Superman I mean would have appealed to be like if you change something then like you might make it to where that like I don't even exist Like we don't we we don't even exist, right? Or you don't even exist like the version of you like changes and we don't know how that like I this is all theoretical It's never been done. You might like we don't know if it causes So if we don't know how these time paradoxes might resolve if you cause yourself to not exist and I mean we like you can't do this Here's reasons one through 89 and and there's many more. I'm sure you just can't do it 89 Bruce is like nah, you probably won't He probably won't do it. It's fine. Whatever. I'm gonna go drive away in my Mercedes Benz reasons one through Batman 89 Batman 89 So he does it goes back puts the can in the cart and uh things change. Um I'm considering us having the big multivisual discussion now involving the information we get later instead of way until later because Foundationally it might be More straightforward because then we don't have to keep revealing and going backward or whatever like in terms of re-explaining everything He does it And he starts like Moving forward and he starts seeing these events where his mum is celebrating his birthday and hanging out with him as he's growing up Which of course Didn't happen originally because she was dead and he's like smiling looking at it And I think one of the first thoughts that we were having was like, oh, but You're not experiencing that Someone else is You're giving a different version of berry a life where he lives with his mom, but like you aren't Like you're not going to experience any of that yourself If anything like what you might conclude now is that you're an anomaly you come from a deleted timeline You're just existing in this bubble and you're about to teleport yourself into a world with is a different barrier Like that should probably be the first thought you have Because that yeah because berry is supposed it's kind of a problem with the movie Berry's an idiot in this movie But they say he's super smart and some of the things that he does kind of depend on him being super smart But the way that he talks and the way he thinks about things and what he does Especially regarding how he thinks time travel would work make him seem really really stupid And so uh with how the rules work is that you go back in time you change anything It'll fuck the whole timeline in terms of it pivots the whole thing. So everything's different But some things are the same because there are intersections Uh, there's still a yeah you because of course, you know, there's always going to be a city called whatever There's always going to be a batman. I guess always gonna be a lighthouse or a girl Yeah, yeah, it's not like oh actually the dominant species on earth is highly evolved arthropods or something like that No, you know, it's it's it's that kind of thing. It's that kind of different Or it's different enough to where you don't notice it at first until someone says, oh, well, what about that's does I in this out a little bit, uh, if we're using the information we have from the whole film now just mechanics wise Uh, it said the barry doing this creates the multiverse Yes So If that's true then before he did that there were no other universes Uh, which would be the same problem that problem that Loki has right that every other Marvel timeline didn't exist until Loki But multiverses were made and we're already elaborated on in Dr. Strange, right? Let's let's not get tangled up in marvels Because in the same way There should have been a multiverse created when he time traveled in the Snyder cut, right Well, just the idea that he would create the multiverse in and of itself It's like really like it doesn't just exist sort of on its own That really shouldn't be how it works Or it's just or they're just like theoretical kind of multiverses, but I'm trying to be one reality Kind to the film is possible, right? The pivot explanation comes in and then bruce says when you fuck around with it enough it creates the multiverse So did barry do it or did the spooky purple barry do it when he Did the thing bruce is kind of alluding to We go back and forth back and forth back and forth back and forth back and forth and two Because I have so many issues no matter what the answer is One of them for example is the implication that we have just timeline one and that's it. That's just that's everything That's all of it barry does his thing and he creates It's Batman 89 universe. Yeah. Question mark. Really dumb. It's awkward. It's really complicated to even off off make sense of it to go to that universe or to be in that universe and to speak to Batman himself. And Batman seems to be at peace with the idea that his is the universe as a result of a skewed prime one. I mean, yeah, you have that. But then there is also in the way that he explains it almost makes it sound like Barry didn't create new timelines. He essentially catapulted himself into another timeline where there was like a crossover point. You know how like he does the he does the explanation of you know how like general time travel rule is imagine there's a strand. This line represents time. You do something at X point. It branches off from X point to a new one, whereas he does the overlap of the spaghetti that goes, you know, backwards and forwards in time. I kind of read that as oh, so like Barry's changed the universe that he's in. He hasn't like, so does that mean he's put himself in a different timeline like there can only be one timeline at any given time. And it's just not match it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I was thinking like actual like multiverse travel that he's not changing timelines. He's essentially putting himself into existing different lines. So then did he affect his original timeline at all? So the problem is I don't know because something that Barry says is like I created a world with no meta humans. It's like, well, you didn't create it right like that. It's not that you create, but that to be fair, he says that before he meets Bruce Wayne. I think that the film plays fast and loose on purpose because it doesn't want to actually decide on what its rules are. Is it time travel? Is it multiverse travel? Is it a mixture of both? I have no idea. I think it makes zero sense no matter what you choose. You kind of just have to talk about the different potentials. Because to touch on that, something that Barry starts to realize throughout the film is well, wait a minute, I only changed time at this point in time. Why is it that people, you know, who were born before this happened weren't born or things didn't play out in that way. And then Bruce is like, oh, time obviously isn't linear, right? I was like, okay. Okay, if you say so. The consequences of the choices you make don't only span into the future, but they also span into the past. And that further confuses me because it's like, so you didn't go to a different multiverse than you created a multiverse essentially by doing this multiverse where it not only deviates in the future, but it's significantly different in the past, which I don't really understand that either. Well, it sounds like this is the original instance of it, but yet Bruce has the most clarity induced take on all of this out of all the characters. Why? He was so sure of his and he does it immediately and calmly and he's a he's at peace with the idea that his universe is a result of a different one being skewed or that Barry jumped into his from from his own one. Like, why is this so normal to him? And why does it feel like he's explained it before? What's his history with the multiverse to him when he presumably has like no history with the multiverse in which again, this is meant to be a continuation of the Tim Burton films. I basically don't consider it like I'm going to be real. I don't look at those Tim Burton films and think, yeah, this is like the direct sequel to those stories. It just doesn't. To be honest, if you watch the two of those and then you think of Snyder Vist's odd arriving in it, it's just like no, no, it really is incredible, isn't it? No, because because what you have here is a is an exit because if this is supposed to be the continuation of those films, what is the Tim Burton verse? Oh, well, it's a mangled version of the D.C.E. You that Barry created and you have the two films there and then he cleans up Gotham in between and then Zod comes down and skull fucks the planet. And that's the end of the Tim Burton Batman universe. Like you just probably enjoy skull fucking though. True. I think that it doesn't make a lot of sense. That's just kind of my conclusion here. I don't think it makes sense at all. And the idea that it's something that Barry can directly interface with convenient simple user controls and everything as well. I don't really understand that the fact that the ability for him to travel backwards or forward in time is bound to his life events rather than anything possible. I don't get that either, you know, that like the only places he can travel to seemingly are points in his life rather than any place at any time because does the speed force recognize his own existence all the way back to when he was a kid before he had the speed force that could give him some kind of connection to those points in time rather than just being able to move to any point in time and space ever. Do you got what I mean? Yeah. Well, there's I was also going to on your on your point about the catapulting thing. Wouldn't he catapult himself the second he goes back because that's already a different universe. Well, the problem is that like a lot of time travel stories don't want to deal with that. But like the fact that you you said it before the fact that you even exist that you've displaced the air particles that's going to change reality. Yeah, those two universes can't coexist. They have to be different. It is a fundamentally different. It was the same problem that fucking way. No, we don't need to talk about. Well, we do because this film has the exact same fucking line that endgame does. He's like, I bet you learned a lot about time travel from movies. Well, they they don't get it right. Like what they tell you with those movies is like stop saying that. It's so annoying with a bunch of bullshit. It's like back to the future makes more sense than you fuck off. Like don't shit on both of you and then you like in terms of storytelling because yeah, this is another one where it's like it almost it's like oh we're clever because we're not going with the standard rules. It's like here ever thought why they're the standard rules that it might be because they make a little more sense. They're a little less fucking confusing because then if you created a story with them. If you if you did create that multiverse it means he created the wombo flash version. And that kicks him out. But that can't exist because that didn't exist before and then people say that he he enabled his own existence. He made Barry create him or something. That's something he says. It was the ultimate which just doesn't make any sense. I mean they call it an endless paradox and fixed it with that in their mind. It's a paradox. It's something as well that's because because we basically find out that this is true. Like the younger Barry that he meets in this alternate universe is not him. He's like a different. It's not him in the past. He's a different person because when he dies you know spoiler or whatever kills dark flash but until normal flash because he's from an alternate timeline. It's something that a lot of time travel films struggle with. So X-Men days of future past when Wolverine goes back to the present. He like kills essentially the version of himself that existed in that timeline. He supplants his consciousness. There's time travel stories that have those kind of problems of dealing with like you know if you essentially where do you go to the consciousness that exists there. This film is different. It seems as though you essentially exist in a world where there was just another version of you when you travel to a different timeline and change the past. There's a different version of you which of course poses problems at the end of the movie because at the end of the movie there is Barry in this universe who has no memories or familiarity with anything that's happened in this universe. It's like so where's the Barry that was here? Where's the Barry who didn't know George Clooney Batman who exists in this world? Where is he disappeared? We get a serious problem for that in the desert part where like the big wasteland part. If we're told that Barry too is traveling back in time over and over and over and over and over and over again. There should be like thousands of flashes. In the desert and you see the two flashes in that time currently and then they just walk away from it and it's like oh wait where did they go? There should be four flashes when one flash would have been enough to wipe out the entire army. Usually when you say four flashes I thought you said something else for a second please. There was an episode of it was one of the Family Guy Road 2 episodes. I think it was Road 2. The Multiverse. No it wasn't that one. It was one of them traveling back in time to the pilot and they deal with the problem of duplicate you know duplicate stewards and Brian and then they have to try and deal with that. Yes Family Guy made more of a serious attempt. More of a serious meaningful attempt to actually deal with time travel. Well I mean that's the reality of it. This film is about time travel and Multiverse and then they don't know what their rules are. They don't know. I don't think that they I don't think they want to write it. Yeah because it's challenging you know to deal with it if you actually have like concrete answers to these problems. So it was just highlighted. That's true. Batman and Robin is canon to the Burton Batman. There are characters that connect sit and histories. That's true and Batman says in that movie this is why Superman works alone. Superman exists in the Burton universe. Well no but the problem is that we don't know if Superman is an actual person or if he's just a character. Right in the Burton verse right. Well you mean like they're referencing a comic but it would be Batman returns. Wait a second. That means that it would be an insane coincidence. Maybe they just have a different character named Superman who only works alone. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. But the Burton safe. He's fine in that universe. Also no I don't buy it because Keaton Keaton Batman is the first he's ever heard of Superman from Ezra Miller Flash and wouldn't he at that point be like like the comic character. If that would be in this film they've decided that Batman forever and Batman Robin aren't canon. They've decided those aren't. That's their mistake to make. Oh that is their mistake. He's Mr. Freeze is alive and well in that universe and he should have been in this. Oh yeah. And then of course we get to that universe by the end because we get George Clooney at the end. Don't you see and that's something to further elaborate on Flash doesn't seem to give a shit that he deleted potentially his best friend potentially seemingly did delete Ben Affleck Batman from existence. He doesn't he doesn't give a shit his potential father figure even if they would have gone that particular route which they could have but didn't. But yeah he's he's yeah but we'll we'll get there. He cares about a little bit at the very beginning. He's he's like super concerned with not wanting to change anything and wanted to go back. But then he does like a complete 180 when he realizes that this new this younger Barry isn't going to get his powers and oh yeah we're almost will have some effect on him. We're almost there because I have so many more questions as soon as he gets to talk into that Barry and the conclusions our. Should we just say Barry one and Barry two? I think that's probably the easiest way. That's what they are in my notes and my notes Barry one and Barry two. What's Barry and Barry two? I called him young Flash. Go to the present Barry of Monster Flash. Old Barry. So yeah I wanted to punch the actor when he said is that Barry? He's early. What universe is this? Gross. Okay and then and then Barry with his mom is like how's your day been or well your your your month your last 18 years which which is weird because we have shared memories or do we make new memories now or I legit was like oh God is the writer having a seizure like they don't even know what their own rules are. We can only hope Mahler. We can only hope. It sounded like they didn't know what their own rules are. They're just like fuck it. I don't know. Do I have memory? Do I not? Yeah, that's good enough. Whatever we can move on. I guess. Isn't this crazy? All that all that movie did for me was I really wanted some spaghetti after I really I never want to see this baby me the opposite. I never want spaghetti again. Delicious though spaghetti is the lowest here pasta. It's still delicious though. Like me. I'm a tortellini myself a tortellini. So new Barry Barry to arrives and Barry one is like when it's just like why would you have assumed anything different whatever and he tackles him and gets up to his room with him and they start. He starts trying to explain the situation. Yeah, it's so stupid because he gets punched out by Wombo Flash and I think we mentioned that he gets punched out and then instead of being like oh I'm probably not where I wanted yet because I saw the 18th birthday cake thing on my HUD my type travel HUD and he's like oh that's my house. I'm going to go in that's also annoying the getting punched out by Purple Flash because it's just like why didn't you just dodge it? He's not even coming that fast. You can clearly see him. He doesn't even think about it after he just was like oh that happened. Oh, that's my house. How does it work for like where he ends up? Because maybe we talked about those not actually being his memories or his experience. That's true. When he gets punched out. Why does he end up in? Why can't he go back in immediately? He can. But he doesn't. He can and he chooses not to because he needs to get his powers removed later on to create drama. That's why. What is the legitimate implication of why? Is he curious? I don't think there's no real argument. I think it just has to be that he is there now and he wants to see what's happening and he gets so caught up in it that he doesn't because one of the problems there is like Oh, I need to make sure that you know Barry to get struck by lightning so that I keep my powers is something that he comes to conclude which is a strange conclusion to form but also like if that was something that wasn't going to happen anyway. You would have already lost your powers, right? Because like if time is. You know, it's like in back to the future. It's not like Marty needs to go back to 1995 and then he gets deleted, right? Like if the events are set in motion, that's that's it. He's done and would be the same here, right? If the events are set in motion that he loses his powers, he would have lost him already. Like it's a strange conclusion to form. It is fascinating to think because some people have said he needed food for energy. He got to recharge the pot. It's like those are things that he could solve easily. It doesn't have to do what he does. But let's just pretend the purple flash missed or that he didn't punch him out. And he actually got to where he was going, which was just present day, but having changed the soup thing. He'd arrive on Krypton, wouldn't he? You would. You would arrive on the terraformed earth. That would be new. Krypton. Yeah, that's right. If you got punched out and that would be so fucking funny because he'd be like, so my mom having soup means Zod wins. Okay. That makes sense. Congratulations. Because I guess my so it's by design that Evil Flash punches him at that moment and specifically sends him here. Yeah. Yeah. He was trying to create himself so that he could go back in time and everything. How he was able to do that. But that's what it's trying to point out earlier, but it's just so dumb that it's hard to explain. And every fucking conversation I have had about the time travel in this film, every single person has a radically different interpretation. There is no one who has come to the same conclusion. It's the most garbled exposition I've ever seen. It's so fucked up. It's possibly one of the worst ones. I think there's just happy with that. So all over the place and they they kind of in universe say it'll get all over the place as if that makes it better. Well, yeah, we know it's not going to really pan out and make much sense. Cool. So you didn't even fucking try, did you? No, you gave up before you started in terms of trying to have it make sense. So here's a question with all of that out of the way, which film has worse multiverse like mechanics? This or Doctor Strange? Multiverse mechanics. The Doctor Strange is multiverse mechanics. Incursions are the main issue. Yeah. But at least incursions like I'm saying this. Incursions like more nuts and bolts like their actual rules and the only thing about them is that they're always really convenient. They never happen when they should. But, you know, with how they work, it's like, well, you know, if I go into a universe where I don't belong, I'm constantly emitting an aura of we might have an incursion at a 0.01 percent chance. Who could be any time now roll the dice every time? So, you know, what if you take those multiverse rules and combine them with the TVA stuff and everything to do with a sacred timeline and how that works? Oh, OK. That's where it's going to be. It really hard to. That's when it, yeah, ain't it? This one still might be worse because this one it feels like it's got like every time travel system in it all gobbled up so you can't make any sense of anything. Yeah, I wasn't really sure like what the correlation or what the movie wanted the correlation to be between time traveling and multiverse stuff. Time traveling creates the multiverse or something that kind of how we discussed I think, but not before, but it does this time but it didn't the other time. Because with the MCU, I can understand what they're trying to do. They're doing with the multiverse theory of time travel, which I heard about years ago. So I kind of got what they were going for. Maybe that's a bit of a bison. Remember, the ancient one says that removing time stones from a time line is the ship that creates time line. That's not true. That ain't that's not true. Like he says that that's not true. And the end game insists that if you basically put the time stones back, you remove all of the impact that you had on that universe, including all of the shits that those guys did when they went back to New York in 2012 that absolutely affects it. Like the fact that the Tesseract is no longer a Tesseract. It is a like that. That doesn't work at all. It's now a little gem, which means that everything changes because the Tesseract was always a cube in the main MCU timeline, but apparently it's reconciled into one timeline. So when you take that, I find it fun to compare because you really are trying to figure out like which one makes the least sense. Like the least sense. And they're both fighting real hard to get that trophy. They are fighting very hard. It's definitely are definitely are. I will still say the DCU edges is out edges it out for nonsensicality just because there's no. I feel like with the MCU, there's a framework that's garbled, but I can see it if I squint what it is. I can't see it with the DCU. I can't see it here. I can't see it with my MCU either though. It would be a lot of stuff. Also, as Ramil is annoying, Barry to is even more annoying. I wish it was pretty radical, bro. He's oh yeah, which is was mean of them to do. It's like you didn't have to, but you made it that way. Didn't you? Yeah. But fail them. I mean, it's like everything is so fragile with changing timelines and stuff was. I wrote down a question why Bruce Wayne seemed to be the only person who appeared differently and Barry was the same. His parents were the same. God was the same. Yeah, well, they get to choose whatever they want. They could literally have everything be the same, except that bunny over there is now a squirrel and they could be like, yep, that's just that's it. Shut up. I don't know the same thing with Marvel, right? You know, that they can always just choose whatever they want. Yeah, the same, you know, that kind of issue. Because I agree with you. There's so much this different. We don't have a Wonder Woman, an Aquaman, a Cyborg or a Superman or a normal, like the same Batman that we had, yet everything else seems the same. It's like, okay, everything pertinent to the suit, man. That soup made so much difference in a bad way. Imagine, you know, he puts the soup in there and we get double the superheroes and everything's just great. And then someone's like, see, Barry, you shouldn't try to fix things. He'd be like, why not? I don't know. Looks like it's okay. Next time I want to put three soups in that card. Let's see what happens. Just everything. No, Larry. So much soup. A storm begins to arrive and Barry One is like, whoa, that's how I got my powers. If you don't get them, then I don't get them maybe and then I don't get to go back in time and then I don't know what happens. This was once again another line where I was like, the writers have no idea what's going on. They haven't when he said, if you don't get your powers, then I don't get mine. Maybe I was like, whoa, because that makes no sense at all. I can't go back in time. It's like, can you not right now? Just go back in time right now, right this time. Well, yeah. And how do you know the Barry two is supposed to get powers in this timeline? What? How do you? How does this work? Like, what does that Barry have to do with you? necessarily. He's clearly not you. This is all new. This is none of this ever happened to you. It's like, but he's like still in the world of. Yeah, did. I don't have any of those memories, but they will become me. I guess maybe. Yeah. But why so quickly from being so opposed to changing anything immediately to, oh, I have to make sure that everything goes just as it did. Like, shouldn't you have just when he saw him arriving when he when he saw Barry to coming, he should have been like, oh, fuck, and then just ran away, like fully and been like, oh, I'm going outside and I'll be right in just a sec from now. My hair is going to be all unfrazzled. Fuck it. Whatever. Bye. You know what I mean? Like, I'll just chalk it up to them remembering wrong because the fact that Barry two is like, oh, I'm supposed to be in that facility and that's where I'll get the powers. I didn't have any intention of going there at all. It's not like him talking to Barry to at that time disrupted that he was never going there anyway. So I just I just don't I don't understand. I don't know. I don't know what the fuck's going through Barry's head and I don't know how he just concludes like you've got to get your powers. Otherwise I don't get by and be like, you made that up. What I would say is I think the only way to read that is if he believes that this version of Barry leads to him like that he is an extension of that. But I just went over how he can't possibly conclude that. But he can't because he has powers and this young Barry doesn't have powers and has no intention on being there when he gets his power. He's half an hour away from when it's supposed to happen. He had no intention of going there. He he can't but he does. He concluded that like he shouldn't exist anymore. I think that that's his his belief essentially is he thinks like we've it doesn't get struck by lightning that makes me a paradox or something and I'll get deleted. But again, it's it's like you said, right? There's really like no reason to believe that at all. It should it feels like the there's just the characters aren't actually there. It's just the writers being like, all right, we got to do this to get here next. Okay. The reason why they're doing it is because they want to get rid of Barry ones powers and give Barry two powers for memes and for plot to keep him trapped in that universe. Well, yeah. And to skip to that. Just have him have powers already. He doesn't explain. This happens like three times in the film. Barry one does not explain shit all to Barry two before something significant happens. So for example, yes, it's so annoying. I want you to get your powers. Okay, cool. And Barry two never asks what that entails and Barry one never explains what that is until the moment and then what Barry one surprise the Barry two flips out. You want me to sit here while I get struck by lightning and dozed doused in like science chemical shit. Okay. No, like any normal person would react. Yeah. Instead of maybe you should have warned him ahead of time because it all goes wrong. He gets zapped and loses his powers while Barry two gains powers, which is like, okay, never that scene where they sit down and Barry one explains Barry to all the ins and outs. And that would have been funny. It would have been funny to have that scene. You could have made some jokes. They are a comedic things could have been done. But alas done. They were not so phobic of that scene. Like in every context, just characters explaining very basic things or thinking about very basic mystery intention, right? But they don't know how to do it without just keeping information from the audience, I guess, and thus from the characters in universe to it's a sign of incompetence. Every time it comes across, give a shit. Also, they try like a joke of Barry one's tooth breaks and falls into Barry two's mouth or one's tooth breaks and goes to his mouth. Yeah. And then it was strange. I don't know. I just like that. That was just kind of strange. Yeah, it's just not any glues it back on with like glue and never comes up again in the story. It falls out of the very end of the well, right at the end. Oh, I didn't very funny. It's like punched in the face. Oh, forget he doesn't notice his powers are gone until he's like all the way downstairs trying to escape. I thought that was really strange. You would think that he would know with the connection to the speed feel different. He'd know that that's gone. It feels sluggish. You'd think so, but no. But isn't it funny how he ran in the circle? I was like, I'm slow. And listen, I will take a piece of that as they were making fun of the retarded flash run that Snyder invented, which I think is funny. If that's what that is. I think about stuff like that, right? And the fact that his costume makes the lightning yellow like it is in the comics. Yeah, blue for some reason. Blue is cool. And it's a very adult color and it's very cool. So they go back to their apartment again. I'm kind of skipping a couple of things, but if you guys really want to mention anything else, you're welcome to stupid Barry. Well, let me see. No, you read it while I keep talking and then you can cut in if you have anything. You don't have to be there all the way. Well, I didn't want to surprise you. I didn't. I wanted you to be prepared for it. Yeah, but the problem is like it means that if you find nothing, we just can't talk about anything for a little bit. All right, it's fair enough. I just give up and we could just assume that there was nothing there. Oh, I actually have something that happens before the lightning bolt, because I found it very strange that they're making a big deal about the fact that he has a date with Iris and that he's going to fuck up the date if he goes to get the lightning strike. But all I could think was, you know, people get held up, maybe just call her up and say, hey, something came up. Could we just push it back an hour? And that would be fine. But we have ten minutes. Ten minutes. Yeah, just like just to give them give a little bit of leeway. It's okay. It is courtesy. You're just doing, you know, you don't have to blow her off just to get powers. You know, in fact, it'll make you very, make it very easy to get to her after you get powers. Just saying. But oh, well, and you could almost instead of calling him Barry to just call him stupid Barry at this point, because he nearly destroys the city by experimenting with his powers. Instead of waiting a second and listening to the person who had the powers help him. Yeah. And you can tell the movie's like, yeah, but he's a he's like a younger, dumber Barry. And it's like nobody's that fucking dumb where they've given like essentially powers to do absolutely anything in terms of speed. And there's a guy right next to him. Who is him from the future who could tell him everything he could possibly need to know. But instead, he's just like and then nearly kills many people. I actually was. I was like, are they actually going to have him kill someone? Is this going to be why this is like the evil flash or something? The power hungry, but no, they don't show anyone explicitly die, but he comes fucking close. He goes very close stretch to think someone dies. There's a bunch of car crashes. So, you know. Yeah. This is just an explosion of those. I mean, he like fucks with the grid, like a whole bunch of the electricity goes down in a bunch of buildings. Yeah. He makes like this little staticky shocky thing and it travels along the like floor or something and it hits a pole, something like that. I don't know. I don't. He goes back and he's super hungry and then this is this weird as fuck interaction. This is what I mean about like this some jokes feeling and then some jokes like, why did you write that? He opens the fridge and pulls out broccoli and then Barry one is like that's rotten and Barry two starts eating it. He's like, oh, it's like even for the first time here. Try this and he puts it into Barry one's mouth who then eats it and then goes to the gift. It's like, you just pointed out it was rotten. Why are you eating it? Why? Out of my mouth. You know that the writers will be like, it's funny. It's rotten. It's funny though. Oh, yep. Nothing is funny. But very funny question that it was rotten like very one didn't hear him or something. Oh, I think what I'm saying is Barry one points out that it's rotten. Barry two says eat it and then Barry one does and then goes you and spits it out. It eventually spits it out. I couldn't keep track of which Barry was no. I don't believe I was going to say the dumb one was was like, oh, but no, dammit. So then dammit. I think you get a Barry one gives Barry to his suit ring. And then their plan as far as I remember is just like they need to get like he says if I can get you to do the crazy time travel shit then maybe you can get me to the future. I think that's Barry's new plan because this is insane. But they get interrupted because Zod is invading. Oh my goodness. How inconvenient. But how terrible and I guess this day. It's a little flash. People flash organized all of this. It makes complete sense. He was like, this is the perfect time to punch you out of the sphere of multiversal fleam. Yeah, he had a knock that Barry guy to the specific day that he needs. I thought it was funny when he was like, oh my God, you were there on the day and he was like, yeah, I made like a proto suit and tried to help people, but I couldn't do a lot. And I was getting the same vibe of like how many times this night of us had to go back to that day and try and be like, no, no, they were people trying to save humans. There was an attempt to reduce the collateral damage. I swear it's like the order 66 of the night of us where they just keep going back and changing shit. Listen, OK, I know it looks bad, but it looks bad. Right. One day this will all make sense. I guess there yet. But what did you think of that scene? Were he saving the kid? Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's fine. It's all right. He's trying and it is, you know, he's a he's a scared, you know, guy. That's what, you know, when we meet him in just Justice League, he is he's a he's pretty upset, pretty scared, pretty timid. And of course, if I was in that situation, I'd be shitting my pants, powers or not. But he at least does something. You know, he does save, you know, like a girl and you know, he's it's it's fine. Comparing that to like the opening when he was in a hospital or at the hospital. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. The tone that he actually really, really cared. He really wanted to help. Wanted to do something. Yeah. Phenomenal timing, though, he becomes the flash of the night before an invasion. That is so was the timeline the same? Oh, it was because he recognized the date. Yeah. And yet it's also fundamentally different significantly. So everything else. Stop it. You're ruining it, which apparently in order to know that's the day to send him back. It would have meant that evil flash would have had to have had the memories of a version of the flash that hadn't existed yet. So if you don't think about it, it's not a problem. I thought it was funny that actors are different and like leading roles and movies. Everything is different. Well, everything is the same. Yeah, Barry one says if I can find the Justice League, I can prevent this whole thing from happening. And I was just sitting there thinking like, have you learned nothing from all of this? You're suggesting like, oh, we can stop Zod if I just keep fucking with this timeline that I have now jumped into. I don't understand. Like what? Why does he think that he should be doing anything at all? It's surely it's only going to make things either better or worse dependent. Well, worse definitively because it only seems to do that better than whatever. He thinks that that's like a viable solution. Shouldn't he also think that or shouldn't he more so think that I'm traveling again? What would solve it? And so shouldn't shouldn't his top priority being getting his powers back? You think you really, really we really would like to run in the film. They just conclude that it's the kind of thing that you could get back with like a scientific experiment rather than are you just screwed like you can't replicate Yeah. So they find out that Victor Stone is not currently cyborg. There's no weird on Wonder Woman at all. Aquaman is not born. His dad who it was neat seeing Boba Fett. And that was kind of amusing. I am Boba Fett. It's that that conversation wasn't too bad. He's like his author around and he says you want to speak to my dog. He's like, no, is your wife the Queen of Atlantis and that the cabra just pads over. There's this lady that is like, no. Well, yeah. And then Barry, you can hear him say on the phone maybe is she like a fish like woman that washed into your life? He just is very funny asshole that hangs up. I thought that's funny. It's not bad. It's not bad. Yeah. And he says like I completely destroyed history and it's like, yeah, a little bit. Apparently, I don't know this universe got really unlucky with its dice roll on heroes. Huh. Just bad. Yeah. Well, yeah, no no meta humans, as he said. Um, so yeah, we can pretty much skip all the way over to me in Bruce know what people even say that actually. There aren't many because like wonder woman isn't a meta human. Yeah. Now that I can't remember what everyone knows. I mean, he has to write like he knows that she's like from Themyscaro. Like that's not meta humans. Yeah, we probably would know. I know Bruce has meta flashes of meta human, but super I mean, Superman is not a meta human, he's a Kryptonian. Aquaman is an Atlantean. I don't know that that counts as a metafuman. Well, wait, I happen to have it on very good authority that Zeus is a Kryptonian and therefore Wonder Woman is part Kryptonian as well. That's horrible. I want to kill myself. Never ever let that begin. You're gonna have to jog my memory. How is Zeus a Kryptonian? Oh, someone in the chat made a good point. Like, are the Themyscira, does that exist in this universe? I know, no. Nobody knows. If there's no Wonder Woman, it means that there might be no Themyscira, right? Do they not care? I mean, of course, it was a problem, right? After it is they, I guess they didn't care about Zod. But they would when their whole fucking island gets obliterated. And of course, as well, because someone's pointed out, just a society, they exist in the DC. So there's no blackout. No, justice society do not exist in the whatever you don't see doesn't exist in this strand. Absolutely nothing. So I guess there are no metahumans and maybe he knows what they are. But I was just thinking like, damn, the justice league, I don't think it has any like, Victor isn't a metahuman, right? Like, does he count as a metahuman because of the cyborg plots? Well, I thought metahuman meant like flash. Essentially, you're a person who has like acquired powers. To be honest, they kind of expand the definition of metahuman over the time. Over time, and I think it varies on depending on who's saying it, like sometimes it's a very specific thing, like with a very specific origin. And sometimes it just means, oh, yeah, you're a superhuman. That's, that's, it depends. That's something they better have a clear idea of in DCU. Because otherwise, it's confusing to people. Answer rags question, though. Just there was a Snyder con thing relatively recently, and he talked about some of his future plans and how he was going to reveal that Zeus was a Kryptonian in future films. So Kryptonians can wield lightning, I guess. It's so bad. And I, and it was cool to see the Snyder fan base be like, that's great. That's actually great, actually. That's so cool. So amazing. We like that. That's a fun idea that we like. We were robbed. Well, you know, speaking of, of all that, I wonder how this new timeline is supposedly handling Darkseid and his original quest. Don't even, don't even. You don't see it. It doesn't exist. You don't see it. It doesn't exist. It's granny. Is granny goodness or whatever her name is in this universe? I hope so. Kamala Harris, what is her name? Not Kamala Harris. Who's the other one? Oh, the one who lied about being Native American. Elizabeth Warren. That's how he's going to be. Elizabeth Warren, yes. She looks like granny goodness. What did Snyder mean by this? So anyway, we're all the way over to Bruce. That's where I'm going next. If anybody wanted to go to anywhere else, be sure to let me know. Well, I could check my notes. You do that and let me know when you find something. Anyway, what is that? There was never a point against not reading the notes. It was just, you don't need to announce it. You can just read them and then see. Because if I did, then Fringy would start saying a bunch of stuff and distract us instead of carrying on. Oh my God. All right. Moving on. Racism alive and well in this particular strand. Jesus. So I don't understand what the fuck's going on here. They arrive by taxi and so picture yourself. You're Bruce, you're a hobo for some reason. You're making your food. You're also painting? I think he was. There's a reason. Huh? Yeah, there's a reason, I think. But what? I haven't even gotten to what my problem is yet. All right. Then I'll put a little, I'll put a pin in it. All right. So you're Bruce. You're doing all that and you're a hobo. And then you look out the window and you spot a taxi with two Ezra Millers coming out of it. So you panic and you run into your cupboard hoping they'll come into your kitchen so you can surprise attack and hopefully kill them. Why? Why any of that? Why instead would he just be like at the door being like, what do you want? I don't know. What the fuck was all of that? I was convinced they're going to show me the dude here in a second when he's going to stop fighting. So the back cave really tied the mansion together. I just thought that was absolutely insane and not a good start to seeing my best Batman boy returned to the screen. But for some reason he just wants to kill Ezra Millers. I mean, I guess this is, you know, I can see why he'd be defensive, but I just, yeah, I thought that was a little very strange. I kind of want to kill Ezra Millers now too. So, you know, it's understandable. That was bizarre and insane. And yeah, I also didn't want to see him hobo style, but it's really low on the list of issues, I'd say, with this vision of Keaton Batman. He is a bit unkempt. So yeah, that's my comment for that whole intro. I don't know what else to say. I just find it insane that that was what he was doing. Yeah. He even throws a bottle at Barry's head like full on. Yeah, that shit would hurt. And Barry is up and going soon after he's mostly fine. And that's human Barry, by the way, like not powered up in any way. I don't even, because you can heal when you have the speed force, right? Yes. Yep. Yeah, he don't have that. So he ain't using that shit. Actually, that's a good point. They show, because remember in the lightning strike scene, they show like past Barry healing up from the lightning hole in his chest, but Barry should, the present Barry, should have that same lightning hole in his chest, but he shouldn't have the healing powers to heal up the lightning. You are actually correct. Yeah, he should have taken serious damage from that, but fucking that would get in the way. Good point, yeah. Oh, no. So would that really be all it takes to like, I didn't think about this, but like the exact same thing to happen twice? Would that just? Yeah, we kind of didn't go with that. Why is it that that happens instead of doubling up his powers? Why does that happen instead of doing nothing at all? Why does it do that? And I think that's just a moment of the riot saying, fuck you, we get to decide what it does. It's like, okay, okay. I guess that's true. Yeah, I really have an explanation for that. It's just like that happened now. Nobody does. Moving on. So the first thing Bruce says on the topic of time travel is, time isn't linear, right? You're like, uh-oh. You are not prepared to handle it. As you already pointed out earlier, like he's just, he's like checking the spaghetti, right? And it's like, well, actually, time is not linear. He wasn't even looking at what Barry was pointing at. Like a spoon, a wooden one, like a straight one. He went from here to there and he didn't even see that. It is genuinely fucking nuts that they basically drop this on him and he can explain it better than they can. Why? It just says, you probably saw a movie that said, if you change the past, you create a branch. Time doesn't work like that. When you go back to the past, you create a fulcrum and you create a whole new strand of spaghetti. It's retrocausal. It goes both ways, many ways. It's legit like, what the fuck are you saying, old man? Why could this, how could this possibly be, what? But yeah, it all makes sense to him and he's totally chill with it. Oh, there you go. We kind of gone over the time travel-y stuff so we don't have to spend much time on it, but it's insane. And I suppose it's kind of funny too, because we all know what it's all for was just to have Michael Keaton Batman here. Why? Oh yeah. And at some point, you just want to be like, maybe you should just have him here. You don't even have to explain it anymore. You guys are really bad at explaining things, so just don't. There's a couple of people in chess like, but he's Batman. Yeah, but the way he explains it to him is like, yeah, I've done this before. Like, I know exactly what's going on. I feel like if this is the first of the creation of the multiverse and no one else has done it before, these three flashes or technically two, but you know what I mean? Bruce Wayne, Batman 89 guy, should probably have zero information on it. If that, maybe it should be negative information. Maybe he watched Endgame and he was like, wow, that's really bad time travel. I bet it's actually this. And then that's what he, how he learned it. Yeah, because it doesn't sound like he's theorizing. He's like, no, that's how it works. I think he says like, time is linear, obviously. Like he says it in that, no, it's not linear. He says it isn't linear, yeah. Yeah, like as if it's just a thing that he knows, not that he's speculating as that. Isn't it interesting though, how much time is dedicated to like scenes trying to explain it, but don't explain it like at all? It's just, it is very similar to Endgame, I think, that the arrogance with which they explain it and it's just bullshit. Yeah, it's pretty annoying. I've never seen a film with so much exposition and this goes to Barry's powers as well because they go over his powers like a lot as well when they're trying to teach past Flash how the powers work. But both the time travel and the powers, they spend so much time trying to explain it and then they proceed to completely contradict it later on in the film or even earlier in the film. Like I've never seen so much explanation for stuff that doesn't actually happen. Yeah, fucking hell. And he also says, so you guys are the reason this is odd character is about to destroy the world and there's some Superman guy with like laser eyes and can fly who can stop him. I was so confused by this. I was like, wait, it's Barry one's fault that Zod is here now? I thought that was a part of the, they're just the canon of this universe anyway. Like this would be happening no matter what. Apparently not. I don't know. It's not that Clark got skull fucked by Zod. Okay. Tara is now the matrix. But is it or is it just that this universe always existed as it did and that Barry is here because he's been fucking around and jumping multiverses or did he create this universe entirely? Which by the way, what does that mean for you existentially? Like if you're Batman, he's like, yeah, yeah, I guess you created me because you were fucking around. That's interesting. My whole life is just, you know, at your whims, I guess. Just fucking chill about it. Please don't leave. I don't want to not exist. Well, that's the thing, right? It's like, oh, we're trying to fix it. It's like fix, fix me existing fix. Okay. But of course a boy in Batman is on board with helping them, right? Well, they say, you know, he's Batman and so, you know, can he help? And he's like, I'm not Batman anymore. Gotham is one of the safest cities in the world. Like, okay. Good job, Batman. Good on you, man. That's how good of a job he did, Mahler. That's the reason is because Batman was so good that he succeeded. I mean, I'm not like fully against the idea that Batman may one day retire or whatever. That's not the issue. Of course, he's very invested to protect the city and the whole world because he did such a great job. Well, so the logic is Superman beats Zod. So we need Superman. Superman's got to be on Earth somewhere. He just hasn't been found. Maybe he's in prison, whatever. We need the world's greatest detective, i.e. Batman, to help us find Superman and save the world. And like, they have a musical cue and the camera's on Keaton and he just goes pass. Pass. I was like once. And legit, I've talked with several people who really like this film and the best they've got for this is he refuses the call to adventure. That's like the hero's journey sort of thing. That's what they always do. And then they accept. Well, then the next question, why though? But why though? Why? Okay, so why? Okay, so Barry believes that everything is going to play out as it is in his timeline. So why is he trying to find Superman? If he knows that Superman is going to appear at some point anyway. I think he believes they need to save Superman or enable Superman is kind of weird. It's like they know he's trapped somewhere or something. But you're right. They shouldn't know that they should. They should. If anything, they should assume like, oh, we don't have a Superman like obviously. In our yeah, in the universe where we won, we had a Superman. So yeah, we're in trouble because Superman is way more powerful than all of us put together. At this point in the in minutes, you'll nobody knew that's true. So yeah, then I guess his logic is that it must be the same and that he must be out there. We just got to find him. It's quite a hope. You might want to get a plan B considering how the strand ship works. You know, that's what I mean. He's like your Victor Stone and Diane Prince and stuff. It's like, there's no reason not to assume that you just don't have a clock can. And obviously the reality is they don't actually have one. He's dead at this point. So yeah, Batman doesn't want to get involved. Like, okay, that's cool. That's part of Batman's character. He doesn't want to make the world a better place. He doesn't want to use his, you know, wealth and his expertise to... Well, he saved Gotham. Isn't that enough? Does he have to save the world too? Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't have an obligation to the whole world. Isn't one entire, he single, almost single-handedly, he probably just saved Gotham. Isn't that enough? Why do you keep asking? It's ridiculous that they would expect more and more of him. Yeah. Let him paint and eat past. When will people like learn? It's just me. What will they learn? What will they learn? Me, me, me, me, me. This is especially weird considering what he says later when he dies. It was weird to... And I know we kind of discussed that already, but it was weird to make the decision why he sent Batman anymore, because Gotham is safe now. Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like, the idea of a Batman retiring, I'm not against it fully, but it seems a really weird choice that he comes across as though Gotham is just the only place he could help and it's done being helped. It's like, it is. There's just nothing else to do. Okay, that feels a little odd. It kind of reminds me of Dark Knight Rises, where Christian Bale becomes crippled because he doesn't move much anymore because there's no crime to solve, or whatever that was. He got leg braces to fix it, though. It reminds me of Crisis on Infinite Earths, where Batman... Oh, Exoskeleton. Yeah, Exoskeleton, man. And he's like, I just fucking killed them all. Good stuff. Nah. Now I'm here with my man-servant. So, Barry1 is like, all right, Barry2, we're going to break into the Batcave and use his technology to find Clark. Good luck with that. Obviously, it'll be booby-trapped to hell and back with hyper-security, because it's Bruce. Obviously not, though. They just break in and it's fine, and he's watching them fuck around with whatever they want on cameras. I thought that was really odd. He's just kind of like, wonder what they get up to. You go nuts, have fun. Yeah. Security on the Bat suit closet, whether it is the Batcave. Yes, and you get Batman theme and the whole cave and all of his gizmos and gadgets, the Batmobile, and it's the first big instance, I think, of the film being like, you're like, yeah, I know. There they are. I too recognize this. Yes, yes, yes. Move on. And I think Barry just says, Bruce has a backdoor to NASA. I'm searching for unidentified flying objects that landed within the last 20 years or something. And I'm just from thinking to myself, like, what a useless set of results you'll get. Also, that's just the thing you could do, I guess. Yeah, whatever. It's fine backdoor. You know, whatever. I guess computers are designed to be usable, I suppose. It's got a really helpful and easy to understand UI. And then the film, remember, it's still got character stuff to do. So Barry one is like, stop messing around Barry two. And then Barry two goes, OK, mom. And then he goes, shut up. You mess around. You don't take anything seriously. You have no idea. You have no idea that it was like, why are you so mad? He's like, you used monkey as a dartboard. Mom bought us that monkey. I thought this was so bad. It's so unearned. Oh, my God. You guys just come. It just comes out of nowhere. It came out of fucking nowhere. You said the word mom. Star reminds me of multiverse of madness. And no, it does that to me. It seriously. Go ahead. Kind of really liked this part, but it's probably because I wanted to yell at that very two. So finally a connection to this character. I think you want to yell at Barry two. This is a scene that comes from, like it could probably be a good moment in a film that actually builds it up. I feel like this just happens out of fucking nowhere. We haven't really, we needed to do more work of developing them to his relationship being the Barry one is getting increasingly stressed out knowing that everything is falling apart and that even if all of this was to work, he still doesn't know that he's allowed to keep his mum, you know, alive and safe. Meanwhile, Barry two is like, you know, whistful leaders who are like, Oh, I have powers. This is great. I love this. It's so much fun. He's like, You have no idea the pressure I'm going through sort of thing. That's all a valid like a relationship conflict they can have. But holy fuck, where was like the stepping stones, man? You just like hit the fucking big red button suddenly. You're like, we're doing this now. Shouting time. It's just like, whoa, okay. I don't feel like it was developed well at all. It just comes out of fucking nowhere. Like a truck. I was blown away by it. I was like, holy fuck, okay. Trucks are well. Trucks are known for coming out of nowhere. Oh, and movies all the time. It's just, characters will look left. There's nothing. Look right. There's nothing. Look left again. And then as it hits them, you hear the horn. Yes. Trucks are known for traveling as the fastest, the speed of sound so that they're like racing the waves of their own horn. Barry one and Barry two of people. Barry three is actually a big truck. Yeah. Oh. Goes real fast. It's a very joking community as well. The yelling it together to force drama. Yeah. I think that the drama is to be farmed. I just don't think they did a very good job of it. And then they just randomly banked on it. They were like, we may as well put this here. She got limited time. Everything's so disjointed. So, yeah, he doesn't end up not telling him because he didn't tell him about the original timeline where his mother died. If that was going to make a difference. Yeah. I wasn't sure about finds out anywhere. Well, what the reason is to keep that away from him because everything is so absurd anyway. You could probably have told him anything. Like I come from a universe where everyone dies. Right. You know, like the idea that's like, if I tell him my mom died in my universe, then that will what? What would that do? I don't know. I'm pretty sure Barry too would do what he does, which is just like, that's sad. Yeah. Yeah. That's sad. It feels like a payoff they generated because they didn't know what else to do. Like they treated as a payoff that Barry too says to Barry. One is like, I know I knew because he like eavesdrops on him. Right. At one point in the film. Yeah. And just, yeah, I didn't see anything coming out of that. I was like, okay. For some reason, sitting under the command center, I guess, having some bananas. He's like, what the? Barry one picks up a pen and notices that it's, I think a gift from Alfred or something. And he says, I know you're listening to Bruce. And he says, certain things always intersect. You had an Alfred. My Bruce had an Alfred. Some things are just drawn together. How do you explain that? Except maybe fate. And I was just like, ew, what the Bruce and Alfred are fated to be together. I don't like this. And to me, it's the matter is absolutely bleeding the fucking. He was fated to be my butler. You know that fans would say that you can't have a fucking Batman without an Alfred. And it's like, well, I know what you mean. It's not just that there's some way there's that's got to happen, but it's like there's a story to tell with something like that. You should never just like lock off the idea because it just sounds so alien to you. And that's what's bled into this now. It's like, of course, Batman always has to have an Alfred. And it's like, your fucking universe doesn't have an Aquaman. Is Aquaman just not like Alfred is more canon than Aquaman is. I guess, like, why? The Cosmic Alfred. Yeah. And this, by the way, him saying that, that alone, that's what convinces Batman to join them. I don't know why I don't know what. I don't get it either. It was a very convincing pen. What was it? Was it the, what was the, oh, sorry about your parents. I'm just trying to save mine. I think, well, I think that's what they were trying to do. What does that have to do with that? You already knew that. Like, wait, this is. You can't fight fate. Might as well help. Motherfucker, what information does Bruce have already? Oh, that they're just trying to save the world. Yeah. The world. Yeah. What is parents though? Oh, okay. So does this conversation, because I was thinking about this, because as of now, Bruce thinks that they're working to stop Zod, then Barry says that should clue Bruce in on that he's actually intending to travel back in time or to manipulate the timeline again, which would, I think, what this movie is trying to say, we would like destroy this timeline. Well, that was the question when we earlier, when I was talking about how we use the word fix. It's like, what does it mean to fix this? Does it kill Keaton to fix this? What does that do? Or is this universe always here? And as Frini theorized a bit earlier, like, did he hop over to this one by accident? And what you know what I mean? Like, but no matter what it is, it doesn't make any fucking sense. And you don't know what Keaton thinks of this world and you don't know if that plays into his motivations either. But ultimately, what does it matter? Zod is about to terraform the whole planet. You've got to do something, right? He's like, no. Yeah, I was hoping you would sort of be passive about something that threatens you personally, even beyond the desire to help the planet that you live on and all the people who are a part of it. Yeah, but Gotham is the safest city on Earth and Gotham will become a chunk that blows off from the Earth and that will be the thing that happens. And that's why he doesn't want to say planet Earth because Gotham will become a little asteroid that everyone lives on. Think about it. No, they conclude. I didn't catch how they figured this out. I don't know if anyone else did. They're like, clock is being held by a mercenary group in Russia. How did they figure that? Anyone? I think it's just the convenient Batman knowledge. Did they just Google it? Clock can't hidden where? And then it says mercenary group Russia. Journalism in this universe is really good. Isn't the way it goes, he falls asleep, wakes up and then the file is just there? Yeah, I got confused. I was like, did something happen? I think what they're implying is that Bruce just did the work while they were asleep because there's lots of coffee in there. It's good that they wouldn't show us the specifics because I don't know how the fuck he was going to discover that information. We need this thing to happen in the movie. Yeah, he says, I'll help you get Superman, but then you're on your own. And it's such a like, but why? Yeah, he got a Russia. And after that, I think I've done enough for the world. I'm happy to solve the first problem, but the whole world ending pot. That's a you thing. That's not a new thing. Because that's not because at this point, like his motivations should be. There's no, I don't think there's any benefit to the story for this too. Because a lot of people would say that, you know, like it's a matter of he's got to like be convinced into something. It's like, why wouldn't he just be a go getter for this? Like he gives no reason. I actually, I think I said on FNT, if you could give me something like he believes he's in a mental state slash retirement mode that he's going to make the situation worse. He's going to be unreliable as a team member. He doesn't believe in himself right now. As much as it's cliche as fuck to bring in a almost like legacy superhero and make them shit or legacy action hero make them shit. You know, you can have that be his state of mind for just like five minutes. And then you can see how idiotic the two flashes are. And they can be like, listen, we're trying to save the world. We could really use your help. And he realizes like, oh yeah, I should be with him. Something like that. But instead they give us nothing. He just says no. Nothing at all. I have no idea why he doesn't want to save the world. He's tired. You know, he's just tired. They didn't give us that free. If they had said, you know what, I'm really tired. I need to go sleepies. I'd be like, well, that's something. But they didn't even give us that. He's got a bad back and a bad knee and a bad brain that doesn't do anymore. My whole point is that if they'd given us a reason he knew how he knew how time worked. So he's got a pretty good brain. He knows how all the time rules work. But we'll know how to feed himself. The world had its chance. The DC EU had its chance. So he's got irritable bat syndrome. What I assume that's what they mean by IBS. So the mission begins. And they're launching from Batman's bat plane, bat wing. And it goes in front of the moon and the theme plays. And he's flying down. And again, I was just like, it doesn't belong to you. Yeah, like this isn't yours. This is some other better thing. You are you are reaping that, which you did not. So you bastard. And how I feel about this is not. You're doing. It's the doing of Tim Burton and his team from years ago. Yeah, you don't credit for this. Like I'm not going to give you credit for this. You're just going to remind me of better movies. The theme is so awesome. It's just like, oh, that's great. And then you're like, oh, but this is a flash movie. Fuck you make it. Must not pump fist. You know, Barry to just does his electrical fleams and gets all the way up there. Barry one has to, you know, get help from Batman. And he attaches the grapple and then he like climbs on to Batman. And he just sort of Batman stares at Barry one being like, what the fuck are you doing? Which I thought was kind of fun, especially the payoff of him just grabbing him. And then once they're up there, he throws him to the floor. It's like, yeah, Batman can can can humiliate the flash all day every day. That's fine with me. Do it again. Most specifically humiliate as Ramila. Yeah, it was that I got that mild that the kind of chuckle out of me when he had the, you know, the back grappling hook and it was like up on him. It was it was a little funny. I mean, that's what this film has. Everyone's why you're like, yeah, this guy gives you some chuckles here and there. Then there's a joke where they accidentally make a bunch of noises and allure everybody. But one of them is a shovel slowly falling over and Barry is right next to it to the point where if a normal human saw it happening, they could grab it. But he has super speed. And I think we had enough time to like say out loud, like Barry grab the shovel. Yeah, which is already way more time than he needs. By the way, they all flash. Yeah, they also climb down in the down like a big hatch. And when they arrive at the bottom, there's just a just a circle of windows with people in them. Yeah, it's a bit weird. Some of them would have seen them anyway. I don't know what the fuck that was. Yeah, they were busy working. Oh, okay. But luckily there was a there was a shovel there with that that they could bump into and knock over. Yeah, this is where the gods like shoot at them and he moved Barry to moves Barry one. And then Barry won like fucking vomits torrents of green goo, which is obviously just for the funnies, quote unquote. But I was like baffled. I was like, what the fuck was this? What are you throwing up? Oh, that too. What did you eat? Yeah, it was like an exorcist reference. What the fuck is going on here? Maybe. And I was waiting for an explanation to that and then never happened. Keep with you still in the cinema to this day waiting. Waiting. Oh, God. Like I was also just thinking like, wait, is that literally the only consequence of moving someone is that they'll just throw up at the end of the run? Is that what there's all the babies? That'll be fine. Babies throw up randomly anyway. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, it was the broccoli. So he ate a lot more than I thought he did. I thought he spat it out. It expanded its swole in his stomach. Batman action scene. And for the most part, I liked it. His batarangs, grappling hooks, bouncing off walls and using people against each other in his tech. And he's like good at it. And I was like, uh, yeah, I know the neatest. Yeah, it was actually kind of neat to watch. Yeah. It's probably, yeah. It's like there's three parts in the film and they're all like Batman related. They're like, we're seeing. Shad made this point. I kind of agree. Just wait for all the HD clips to be on YouTube and then watch them. You don't need to see the film. Yeah, that's a good point. It ain't worth sitting through all that flash movie to get to a couple cool Batman scenes. And so, yeah, they make it to the next level in the game and they got to unlock a puzzle. It's a combination puzzle and Batman is trying to hack it and then Barry too just goes, and he's like, I tried all combinations and then the door opens. Of course, like, wow, you're really lucky that it doesn't lock you out. One, exactly. Also, they beat all eight guards for this part right now. So there's no one else. They've got time for it. Yeah, there's that. There's just the clearance. It's just a code. There's nothing else to it. And then, of course, that he can type it all in in like a split second and the computer processes all of that instantly. It doesn't have like any kind of, you know, you type one, two, three, four, enter and then it goes like processing and then next try. Even something as quickly as like a split second, you'd be like, well, that would take Barry forever still. I mean, if it was half a second in order to try all combinations, that could be, like, depending on how many digits, like a thousand, 10,000, 100,000, different combinations. Oh, yeah, that was just that. I think that was just the right as being like, we got to make it a little harder than just an open door. Make it a combination that the Flash can do instantly because he runs fast. Okay. Or we could just have that man try. Batman could have just hacked it. It would have been better. A man could have, he could have said, hey, I got to hack this door. Can you distract the bad guys and everything to keep them off me while I do that? Yeah, and there's a little bar at the top of your screen that's loading while bad guys spawn and you got to take them all out as a flash while the bar's loading. Yeah, hacking progress. And if one of the bad guys runs up to Batman, he goes, ah, ah, and then it shows the bar go red and it's starting to go down. Yeah, flashes, yeah. But yeah, they could have made an easy sequence out of that. Ready for the video game, but no. He bugs off of Haxi. The Flash's perspective, was he sitting there for an hour or two hours? I get, well, if he typed in every combination, yeah, and he would have, that would have been, I didn't even think about that. That would have been insane. That actually, yeah, from the Flash's perspective, I mean, if it took him, so he'd have to do like 0, 0, 0, 0, 1. No, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2. 0, 0, and he'd have to do that for every single one until eventually he hit it. And this would also, if the computer was fast enough to keep up with him, too. Yeah, like it could process, at least it wouldn't because the computer would be in slow motion. Yeah, none of the worse. Yeah, there you go. The computer would have been in slow motion. It doesn't make sense. Awesome. Well, yeah, because when he hits a key, wouldn't it like go in and then it wouldn't come out for ages? You know what I mean? Like up and down? Yeah, it would be left there where he left it. That's true. This works if it's like a mechanical puzzle, like a Rubik's Cube you could solve instantly because it's just all purely mechanical. It doesn't rely on, you know, like a thing to do itself. Combination work. Yeah, or if it's like opening a safe, something like that where you can just do it. I assume it would work, but I was just thinking like, because if you took a Rubik's Cube and moved all of its sides really quickly to the perspective of Barry and then like a thousand ways, and then that all plays out in like a split second, would that do something? Would that have an effect of some kind? Do you know what I mean? Say that one more time. So you have the Rubik's Cube, and let's say you spin one of the sides a thousand times at the speed of a normal person in Barry's world, but that's all done within a split second in the real world. When that plays out, would it not like spin really fucking fast to the point of maybe even causing enough friction to set fire, sort of thing? Maybe. I assume even if it's mechanical, that might happen. Yeah, the Cube would get really hot a couple of people was saying. I'd assume so. Well, it's something that he talks about, right? Well, the friction with the clothes and stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, they open the security thing and Kara's in there instead of Clark. And again, just because they just want to piss me off, I guess Batman sees this and goes, that's not him. Let's go. Let's go. Dude, what the fuck is that? It's clearly a woman that's been trapped in this horrible place, probably been tortured. It's like, could you at least entertain the idea that she's innocent and needs your help? Like, maybe? No. No. What baffling shit? Like, I don't know why they wrote him this way. I don't get it. Yeah, she's not in Gotham City. She holds up an idea and she's a Gotham citizen. He goes, oh, OK, OK, sorry, I didn't realize. He's like, I don't help women. Oh, no. They need to learn to help themselves, dab it. Yeah, I'm a teacher, a fish kind of guy. Teach the fish kind of guy. So they start walking down a hallway and they bump into a random scientist and they all just stare at each other. And then Batman does a sort of like a psych out moment, like he like simulating going to run for him like scary. But he does it once. The scientist does nothing. He does it again. But the scientist drops his drink and goes for his gun. I thought it was funny as an interaction. I think I was pretty funny. I love the idea that there's just it's there doing his daily stuff. And he sees these these gaggle of weirdos. Yeah, looking at him. It's kind of funny on Batman's part to be like, I can't be able to fight this guy. So I'll just scare him. And then it doesn't work to be like, and he's just like, he's just so confused. So yeah, the flash says, don't worry, I'll take care of him, hits him, and then he starts screaming because he's been shot. And I was really confused because I was like, how did how did the scientist shoot? And it's like, no, he got shot because someone's behind him shooting a gun with a bunch of other guys. Yeah, what the fuck did they come from? No reason. Do you not see him with your eyeballs? How did we not see them? So this is the thing. Barry too has to have not seen or heard them because he could obviously react well before they could do anything. And then, of course, you have to have Bruce and Barry one not see all those people when they're looking right at them because then they'd worn Barry too. So it's just like, what the fuck? They weren't in the shot. So they don't exist. Very true. They weren't in the shot. So don't see it. They don't exist. Something to think about. Something to think about. There's a lot of things. And you throw out the rest of the section of the movie. Barry too, is that what we call him now? Barry too, the young Barry. He's like out of commission because for some reason he doesn't heal instantly. Oh, yeah. Well, Barry one didn't teach him how to do that yet, which is driving me nuts. Like because he says, like, don't worry, you'll heal. It's like you haven't told him about that. That sounds like a pretty obvious fucking thing to tell him about. Heals from the lightning. Well, yeah, it seems like it's an automatic thing. He seems to not know about that, though. Why wouldn't Barry one have explained it to him? You know what I mean? Because we don't have that. I'm saying it doesn't seem like something that he has to train to do. It seems like something that was just automatic, which is confusing because it's not healing the bullet wound. I assumed it was something he could sort of control. Like Barry, when he's wounded, he can activate whatever power and then it will heal it up. And so if it's mechanically working that way, then why wouldn't he... First of all, not just that, but also tell him that he's absolutely vulnerable to being shot, which is something else that he doesn't understand. Which is like, how did... What have you told him? Like anything? It seems like some of the basic shit, you know? It's like, you can run real fast, don't run people too fast because they'll vomit cartoon goo for ages. You can phase through walls. He does... Yeah, we see him teaching him those two things and that's it. And it's like, I might want to let him know his strength abilities or whether or not he can be wounded. But then of course, why didn't Barry two ask any of these questions? Neither of them feel very human. I feel like I would be asking or answering all of these things. Yeah, Barry two would be like, whoa, you got powers? Tell me all the things you could do. I want to know about all of them because he's so excited to get powers. He should ask what the powers are. Because you know, probably what he'd do. Then if I can try... I go ahead. Think of a cup and then above the cup is a ball that fits the cup perfectly. That's where Kara was being stored. So they've gone down now below that ball into the cup where there is a drain that they're trying to blast open. And all the soldiers are following them. And all the soldiers decide that instead of, let's just say, dropping a few grenades down there I'm pretty sure they can just shoot at them. They want to break the ball above them so that that falls down and crushes them. That's their big plan. It's really weird. I just don't. It's also weird because they have two levers they can use to get rid of cables but only partly because that doesn't... That doesn't connect everything. And then they have to shoot the last one with a grenade. And I was like, what, what? Yeah, it's bizarre. Because it's just like, so if you just had a button that let it go, that would be it. Yeah. Just one button to let it all go for whatever reason you need that. And then of course, they do eventually drop it and it only covers their escape. It doesn't do anything to them. It just makes it so they can't follow them directly anyway. And it's like, oh, well, nice. Good job. Good job. We did it. Then they get to the top and they're attacked but it's okay because Supergirl now has been hit with a sun so she's powered up and she can beat everybody up. With a note of fun in this scene is that Barry one tries to run across the battlefield while Batman's fighting people and Batman punches him in the face just in the middle of battling. And I thought that was cool. I enjoyed that. You think it was an accident or was that a thing for him to save him from some shot or whatever? No, I assume that was a genuine accident. You just don't see that enough in these sorts of movies. I think that should be in the more because Batman's fucking fine for his life. The idea that if you're going to run past him as a friendly, like there's a good chance he's going to fucking hit you. I do also enjoy that. Yeah, I mean, they get out of there. The Batwing takes them away. And it was something that I thought was kind of neat if I'm interpreting it the right way. We got a shot of like Batman's cowl is on the floor and there's bits of blood and bits of his armor. And he's sort of giving himself a bit of like, he's sewing up a wound and he looks in the mirror and he smiles. Yeah, he's like, yeah. Of course, I get the implication that they're saying like, you know, he's happy to be back sort of thing. Yeah, that's what I thought as well. That's what I got. Which, you know, I've always just have only Keaton Batman. Can we just give it up for the rest? I'm fine with Affleck Batman. I'm fine with Paterson Batman. I'm trying to think of which Batman I don't want to see. And it's like, well, I'm kind of fine with a lot of them. I don't I don't hate any of them. It's not like Joker where we have Jared Leto. We don't have Jared Leto Batman, luckily. But don't tempt him. We don't have Jared Leto who's going to give me a reach around. No. Fucking dialogue. So, yeah, Kar explains that she was an infant. No, he, Kal-El was an infant when she, when he left, she was sent to protect him. Their pods got separated and Zod must have tracked her signal. It's kind of an old universe situation because we eventually get from Zod that Kal-El's ship was intercepted by Zod before he even reached Earth. While she, I guess, did she crash land in Russia and then they captured it? Was that was the? I guess. Oh, yeah. Because that's this. That's what they do in Flashpoint Paradox as well, right? Uh, something like that. He gets captured, Superman. Yeah, but he's not in Russia or anything, but he gets captured and kept under lock by the U.S. government and they get out of there. Oh, yeah. Does he crash in Metropolis in that? And that's why the police find him. Right. Yeah, he crashed in Metropolis. There's like a huge crater in Metropolis. They go to. So, yeah. So, I thought this part was really weird. I guess I missed something, but he says, uh, Barry, too, says your solar powered. Good for you. Oh, and we'll take this, too. And he picks up her Superman suit. I was like, where the fuck did that come from? Oh, that was in the cell with her for some reason. I don't know why. So that was my theory. And then I was just going to follow up question of why the fuck is a Superman suit in her cell with her? And why doesn't she wear? It looks more comfy than his fucking lab coat she's wearing or whatever it was. I think she gets to choose her attire. But it's just in there. She could just put it on if she wants. Well, she doesn't want to change while they're watching. It's also weird because they should Barry should probably make the connection. Oh, wait, this is like a Kryptonian suit. So this is probably like a Kryptonian they captured here. So she would definitely going to need her. And when Batman says like, oh, it's not him. Let's go. It's like, no, no, no, no. That's the time. Yeah, that's like two layers of retarded, isn't it? Like, yeah. It's like she might be very powerful and useful. Also, she could just be innocent like she could be a piss. Yeah. And so Barry too says, you know, to car like are you back to full strength? And then she like blows up a gargoyle. It's just like, okay, you didn't need to do that. She spits on it. It's like you're back on power and she spits on it and explodes and you're like a sonic boomer thing. And you want Bruce to be there being like, oh, that's cool. That's neat. Yeah. I'm also glad you're here at my manor and destroying it. Thank you. Yeah. You know, I wanted to join you for this fight, but fuck you guys, get out of here. Maybe this world does need to end. You pricks. So Barry once talks about how he needs to recreate the accident that gave him his powers so he can help fight Zod. And then Bruce is like, yeah, or it'll kill you. And besides, why would you want to fight to save this universe? I thought it was such a bizarre question because I immediately think to myself like, well, because he cares about innocent people getting killed, I guess. Yeah. Then Barry once says, well, because this is the universe where my bub is alive, I was just like fucking hell, man. No, this should be because they need help. I want to help you. Not a good person. Barry, maybe you could just, you know, help in people. And by the way, he gets this right later because Kara asks him why he decided to save her. And then he says, because you were someone who needed help. It's like, yeah, that's what that's what that's. Yeah, good job. That was the thing you were supposed to say you moron. You did a hero thing. Good job. Yeah. So Batman's like, you can electrocute yourself then. He's like, yeah. And he's like, want some help? I just don't, I don't know what the fuck's going on. I feel like Bruce Wayne Batman would be like, listen, I know that you think you get your powers if you're electrocuted, but I think it's way more likely you're just going to die. And I think it's better if you don't die. And ultimately, you might need to, you know, become a new you, like your powers don't define you, that sort of thing. I feel like that's what Batman would go. I don't think that would be like, well, fuck it, right? Whatever. You die, you die, which is actually funny. I guess, oh, go ahead. I guess I just read that as like, do you want to help figuring out and do that? Well, he's the one that throws the switch. Yeah. And then right before that, he's like, oh, I think this is insane. He still does it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that's enough for me. I get that the film is like, see, he thinks it's crazy. And it's like, yeah, but then he wouldn't do it. Like you can't like, that's like half. Yeah. It's definitely weird about them. You went halfway with it because I really want people to understand what I'm trying to say here. It's like, I think his point of view is this kid is so lost. He's about to kill himself. I should stop this from happening. And, you know, you'd be like, well, no, because that's how Flash does get his powers or whatever. Just like, yeah, but Bruce doesn't fucking believe that shit right now. Bruce doesn't believe that. I don't even know if I believe it. No. To be honest with everything we've seen, I don't know that that will work. I don't know. I don't know. It just sort of happens, I guess. Yeah. That's just how it works. Okay. It was interesting to see the comparison and Flash point paradox because in this one, it's not Bruce Wayne, it's Thomas Wayne. And he went like the super inano mode. He's like, he uses guns and kills people. Like he has no problem. And he was like, I don't know. I was fucking guy. I was gonna like, I could kill them. That's fine. Someone said it already worked in the movie. First of all, Bruce didn't see any of that. And secondly, that's what I meant by even me, even me having seen it work. I don't know that you can recreate that with any blast of lightning. I don't know. I know people who've been hit by lightning who just fucking died. Yeah. Well, it's also the chemicals on top, right? Well, yeah. Did they? Yeah. But they fucked it up as well. That sounds like something that would be almost impossible to get right as well. Like to know what composition, how much of it, you know, and you could recreate it perfectly. He's like, why would you take that risk when you're very likely just going to either kill or cripple yourself permanently? Yeah. He just puts those chemicals on the side and he just goes for it. Go lucky, I guess. Yeah. Ashes, like the way Flash gets his powers, it feels like they really didn't care. Yeah, they needed to simplify it. Knock him out of having powers for that whole sequence of the movie. But you kind of, I don't know. It strikes me as being like, you could have just let him keep him. Yeah, not a lot of what have changed. I guess you wouldn't have this sequence. But I mean, this sequence gets funnier anyway because it doesn't work. He gets zapped. He's covered in blood and like he's smoking and he's like, yeah. And then he's like, do it again. Babad's like, it's fried. I can't do it again. Yeah. And before anything else happens, in that moment, if you're Bruce, you're like, I just electrocuted kids to the point where he's nearly dead. Who knows what kind of damage I've done. Probably shouldn't have gone along with this, but hey, whatever, fuck it. And then Cara comes along and she's like, don't you worry, I'll grab you and fly you up into the storm directly and get you electrocuted. And Bruce is like, ah, there you go. There's no Arusha on Krypton. By the way, really funny, because she fucks off after she has a conversation with Berry too on top of the thing. And she goes to the place where Zod landed and sees like getting all these soldiers getting fucked up. And Zod notices her. She's like, no, he looks at them, at her. We cut away and then she just comes back to do manner. And Zod doesn't follow them or follow her. It's like, that's the reason you're here. Yeah, no, that's huge. She has the genetic code to unlock the embryos. Yeah, wait, what? A poorly written Zod in every universe? No, no. It's like this, it's like this. The scene when she sees him was supposed to be after the electrocution scene. Like it feels like it's misplaced. Yeah, like it got edited out of order. Yeah. Is there, I guess, pardon me if we covered it. Is there a reason why the flash doesn't want to get electrocuted for his powers before they go to Russia? No, I think it just comes with a sense. And that's what I was asking earlier, is why wasn't that his top priority? I don't think he even considered it. That's my lightning. I don't know. From the future, I need to get it. Suddenly enough, someone in chat said, like, ah, yes, he won't do it, and then you'll just get killed by Zod. That's a better plan. Like, no, my whole point is it's better you stay alive to fight Zod in any way, shape, or form. You could even be the guy in the chair for the team. Right? Yes. If you're just kind of doing all that. It's better than being dead. Why would you want to be dead instead of that? And it's like, you treat it as though his options are be dead or be flashed. When his options are be dead, be flashed will be alive. Yeah. And be flashed and be dead most likely, as opposed to be flashed. Be flashed is very unlikely. Spent time training and coaching. Yeah, flash as well. Yeah. And like I said, there's an easy message there of like your powers don't define you, and then he gets given them back through some other means. You know, something else happens, but he gets used to the idea of not having powers, and then he gets them back. That's like super standard superhero storytelling. Spider-Man 2. Yeah, you don't need to do it the way they did it. And I just think it's especially funny that he's this corpse almost on a chair. It was like, oh, that killed me again. And the car is like, I will do it. And it's like, why? Why do you think it'll work? Why are you killing it? You might as well electricity, mother. You know, like, does she even know what's going on? No. I thought, I think I joked with Mahler when we were watching it. Does like, because she's from a different culture entirely, does she? I guess this is a warrior ritual, a warrior's death ritual or something. I will help him die and obtain honor. You will go to Valhalla. She sees him, she's some good. I was like, oh no, I fucked it up. Oh, let's go back up. She's like, she's floated him up and she's like, this is a badass way to go out. He's like, no, no, no, I'm gonna become the Flash. And she's like, oh, yeah, yes. Yeah, flash of lightning, I get it. Good joke. Right before you die. Yeah. It's all sort of weird that. He must have been paused, apparently. Yeah, he just waited. Like, Barry wanted him to hit the switch again. Because he was like near death. You'd think that going through something like that would cause him to step back and. I got the impression that Barry won legit feels that either he has his powers or he's fucking nothing and he'd rather die. Like, that's the impression I got at that point. That's how it read. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's not something that they've ever really done. It came out of nowhere, you know? Yeah. Because he's like, do it. And he's just like, oh, shit. Okay. All right. And I know that someone might be like, well, of course, because he wants to make a difference in the world. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. Just like, why wasn't that in the film then? There should have been a conversation with him and Batman or him and Barry, too, about how he's nothing without his powers. Obviously. That's like the normal thing you do. But the thing is that they're trying to recreate the incident, right? So the first time they do this, all the chemicals explode, all over him doesn't work. So if it just hits the button again, it just shouldn't work anyway, because the chemicals are not around anymore to cause the same reaction. You fool. You don't understand. You have to satisfy two aspects. There is chemicals all over you and enough lightning. He'd done the chemicals one. Now he needed more lightning to finish that part. Oh, yeah. But if he goes up, he goes through the rain. And then the... Yeah, that makes the chemicals become more potent when you do this. No, stop it. You just don't know how science is. You foolish. They don't know what science is. Science is becoming the flash by dying. It makes enough... You're dying. Got him. And then we watch a bat suit get completely desecrated. He just puts the fucking flex on it. It's like, no, stop it. I think it's a huge missed opportunity for this film to not have him sawing it, painting it, cutting it, and it just pans up to a Bruce Wade looking at him really sad, just like, fuck it, hell. What have you done? Or it could have helped you. Like, you know, I have the tools. It could have just not make it makeshift. You didn't have to fuck it up. That could have been how they spent their fuck. I'm gonna 3D-bat printer right there. Yeah, that's a thing. I'm shit as well. I hate it. And yeah, I think Batman is like interesting group. What do you say we're called again? Like Justice League. And you just said they're like, fuck off. Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. Well, what's funny about this to me is that they never named themselves the Justice League in either cut of Justice League. Yet now they're just called that. It's just funny to me. Yeah, like a meta being named it between the scenes, all right? Yeah, and he says, so you in, which yeah, you need to be rebinded. Batman is still not on board with saving the world. And yeah, that's when you get the famous moment from the trailer. You want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. You know, the character in the context in the first film of why he fucking said it. Yeah, because he was doing the whole whole, I don't, I haven't seen the movie in a bit, but it was like because of the Joker, right? And he was trying to get him out of something. It remind me. Yeah, I mean, Joker's in, in a big job. It's Vicki Vale, right? That's funny. However, you forgot the name. Because it's not as interesting as Catwoman. And yeah, like he smashes the cutlery after he was basically telling the story that could be read as being somewhat about himself. And then screams, you want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. Because Batman in the Burton movie is a little bit unhinged. Right, right. A little bit. He's a little bit, yeah, but here it's just like, oh, that's the line that you know about from the other movie. So he's going to say it. And it's just, it's all wrong. The context is all wrong. The delivery's all wrong. It's just a meme. Yeah, it's just the line that he says. Because you remember that line. It's like, yeah, but I remember why he said it, not just the line. And it's funny because I've seen people do the comparison to I'm something of a scientist myself being a positive comparison. It's like, you recontextualize a reason for Norman to say it. It's the same reason. So it is a meme, but like you actually have in-universe sort of smoothness to it compared to this where he's just like, why did you say that? What was, what? He said it because, because he's aware that he's a character in a fucking movie. More of a caricature. Yeah. Yeah. So we're moving on to the- But yeah, things do get pretty nuts because that action scene, holy shit. Well, that's, that was what I was saying. Are we ready to talk about what happens next? We're on to the end, we're so close. I can, I can go to sleep soon. So they're heading in, the team. And Batman's like, I'm going to stay airborne and take out their sky power, which I thought was a really awkward line, but that's fine. It's mostly fine. And he said, and then Flash, Barry one says to Barry two, remember your suit needs breaks because you're going to build up too much charge. And then Barry two says, wait, what? And I was just like, please don't tell me this isn't something like- Why did you talk about this earlier? This is where I mean every single time in this movie they rely on being like, he told him, see, he told him. But you're going to see it all flimpy because he didn't quite explain it the best way he could or something. Just like, why though? Why do they never say what they have to say? Not like Batman's a strategist or something that would get everyone to put all the cards on the table. Don't shoot a lot of the strategy employed by the military standing out in a big open desert and fucking just shooting at things. It's not working. Just randomly shooting. Yeah, like it's a- Randomly shooting at things. It's random chaos. It just soldier standing around just shooting guns, I guess. And you know, this is battle ground. Really worth emphasizing. You know, you look at a film like Avengers where the battle is set in New York and all of the ways that they use the environment to make the battle dynamic. And you know, tailored to the skill sets of each character has a different way of navigating that environment and fighting in that environment. And then of course, because there are civilians there, you get to see the Avengers saving people. Which is really nice in the superhero film when you get to see heroes save people. Whereas here, big empty field, just running around, no landmarks to deal with, no different terrain, just a big empty field, which not only doesn't look very interesting visually, but isn't an interesting place. By calling it an open field, you're giving it too much credit by calling it that. It's not a field, it's an open desert. I was going to say, there's no geography. We don't know where anyone ever is anywhere at any time. This is like in a game, if there's nothing to load. It's just like a flat, brown plane. I think there were a couple of like, I don't think they're mountains. Yeah, they're big rocks. They don't count as mountains. They're big rocks. And so the halt map in the Far Cry 2 map editor. The prevailing theory about this, which I think this could answer it, but there's also other theories, right? So the prevailing one is the criticism of putting it in places with high populations is bad and heroes should never do that. Zod is here. This is where Zod is. So you don't have to make it so that, yeah, making it in the city still works. It's just that I think it could be that, but it's also like way cheaper to just make this fucking desert your landscape. Well, I mean, you know, what do you, it's if all of your terrain is flat, that just makes it a lot easier, I imagine, then if you're on a bridge or if you're in this building or you're in this general area, you have to actually make up. Smashing skyscrapers and having cars and people everywhere and windows and trees and just everything you can imagine. That's going to be way more difficult than brownish, light brownish floor. That's it. You're like, okay, light brownish floor. Is there any context where they were in the desert? It was where they were in, I believe that's where they met in Man of Steel, like when they met with Clark. Yes. So this is just the direct continuation of when just was attacking them earlier? It's the same area. It's the same area that Kara visited. Yeah. But of course, I'm just highlighting like a writer could have put Zod anywhere they want, really. Yeah. You can put them in a place that's more interesting instead of a big, open, desolate wasteland with nothing in it. I am amused by the idea that they put them there. So it's like, you can't complain about population control. That's not, yeah. But the problem, the problem was like, it was so much collateral damage. Just stop it. It was the difference to the collateral damage that was the problem, not the fact that anything was happening. You know, was there a BBS slide where it's like, oh my God, the fight's been taken to blah, blah, blah, blah. That is like, that place has zero population. Good. Yeah, they keep saying that. Well, you know, downtown Gotham is mainly empty. It's like, no, it isn't. Yeah, it's an industrial area. It's like, it's uninhabited. It's just this very quick phone. It's like, oh yeah, you know, like, like downtown Manhattan. That's an intelligent life anywhere. You know, lower Manhattan. There's nobody there. It's like, yes, there is. It's New York. I think in New York, I think at Bam and V Superman, it was the, whatever, the harbor, the dock. Yeah, it was the Doomsday Island. No, no, no, no. It was also metropolis. There was two, there was two places they said were. There was, no, three places. There were three places, guys. Get it right. It was three different places. It was because metropolis was where, where Doomsday was. And Doomsday jumped up onto a building and then they had like the CNN helicopter thing saying, oh, it's mainly empty because it's nighttime in the business area, which again, it's a New York equivalent. So it ain't. And then they went to, it was Rikers Island, right in the middle. And then they're like, it's uninhabited. And then it's like, why did you bring him back to the city? And then I think Batman said, the port is, you know, uninhabited, it's empty. He took that. So three times. That man of steel criticism hit him so hard, like in terms of insecurities. Well, it sure was a really, it was just a terrible idea, like to have Superman causing this much collateral damage. He's like, you should feel insecure about your shitty fucking movie. It was a terrible idea. I don't know why you, I don't know why they did it. It was a crash land in the middle of London. And they're like, it's nighttime. Most people aren't there. Don't worry about it. Actually having Superman, because there was that thing in Smallville where the guy fell out of the helicopter, Superman grabs him and it's like, are you okay? It's like, oh yeah, a big hero moment. And then right away, one of the fucking Kryptonians comes along and starts attacking you. It's like, oh, that guy's probably dead, dead. So it's like, you know what I mean? They did that here as well. I remember when like Kara said that person in the helicopter and then they just died straight away. Because they don't want to, they don't want to deal with like actually, you know, saving the civilians, right? They got to get rid of them as quickly as possible. Or not. The problem is that, I think a lot of the times people forget, like, because the terminology has become so muddled by, you know, repetition and it's just sort of fallen away. But superhero is a combination of two words. That being super and hero, implying as if take a hero, and this is like the super version of what that is. But they really deal in a, you know, even entertain that concept. Because in their minds, I guess a superhero is just a very powerful person who does cool stuff, I guess, or something. But you look at a lot of the older superhero movies and you see it even in the ones in the 2000s, right? Spider-Man was saving people in X-Men. You have like in, you know, when Wolverine was fighting the guys when they came to the school, like saving the kids at the school. Superman saving people in the old films. Batman, you know, saving people. Like, I don't know. I feel like we've lost track of the saving people part of the superhero thing, where we're like so disconnected from saving people. But we're busy fighting giant, multi-versal monsters. Superheroes play DPS and play support. Fuck that shit. Yeah, I guess. Well, it's really funny to think about because I think I know the reason they did what they did in Man of Steel and that's because everyone was complaining that Superman Returns didn't have enough action. So they were like, okay, you want fucking action. So they get their pump out and they start pumping up the action. But oh no, the saving people part keeps shriveling up. And suddenly you have this huge engorged action part and suddenly there's like one person being saved and the entire fucking film. So this is kind of the give and take. It's not just DC. Marvel has this problem too of a lot less saving. Like, you know, I mean, at the end of Endgame, that's a big battle and a big... It's not as empty, but it's still devoid of like clear sort of landmarks and people to account for other than combatants. That's like another instance of sort of moving it away from a hero saving people. And then it's like, what is the instance hero? It's that very strange segment with the babies falling out of the building. That's like the flash saving people, this bizarre, strange set piece. Instead of just people trapped in rubble, the bridge is collapsing and the cars are sliding down into the water. Oh no, the such and such is about to fall on what's their face. Oh, an old lady is in the street. What are we going to do? Like really, it's stuck up a tree. Well, Shazam did that and how much did that count for? You know, with the audience. Remember, it opened with them saving people. I do remember. Oh, I thought you were talking about... Yeah, because they used that song that was in like three movies, Tetris, that and Mario. Yeah, that was kind of fucking uncanny. In a matter of, yeah, in like two days, I heard that song in like three different languages. So back to the movie, unfortunately. As I've said, I've been very unhappy with Keaton's characterization, even though I'm a big fan of seeing him in general. I've said several times on other streams. I'm trying to separate my easy to manipulate heart to my recording this and understanding it mind of what's going on. There's a line he has as they're entering in. They're getting shot by random people. And obviously, there's a bit of a meme here of like, what, they're shooting at us? It's like, yeah, they don't know what the fuck's going on. They don't know who's on their side. There's something to that, I think, especially with a crazy bat vehicle. But then you do think like, maybe they would recognize that because Barry, too, recognizes the batmobile when he sees it, because he's like, oh, yeah, this used to be on the news all the time. So it's like, you may think that you'd have the opposite cool reaction of all the soldiers see the batwing coming in. And they're like, holy fuck, it's Batman. He's come here. Like he's out of retirement. Like, yeah. And that would be really like encouraging, which I think would have been a way cooler way to go with that. In any case, they're shooting at him. And I couldn't quite catch the line, but it sounded like to me that Batman says, these are the humans we came to protect. And then Barry says, Barry says, they don't know we're on their side. Why the fuck have they got Bruce Wayne referring to the people down there as humans? I had the same thought. What the fuck? Why would you say that? Why would you say it that way? Like you're from... You guys not often refer to your fellow man as humans? Hey, humans, what's up? Oh, God. How do you do, fellow humans? Clark and Man of Steel. It's metamorphosized into Batman. Every time the Amazon driver is delivering something, it's like, is this the human that's supposed to live on my package? Is this the correct human residence? Isn't it strange that they're like, oh, they won't know that they're on their side. It's like, well, they probably will when you start fighting those guys. That's what I mean. It's like, you can go that direction for that kind of commentary of like, oh, yeah, your war is hell, whatever. But I just, I don't make it so they recognize the Batwing. They'll be really cool. Yeah, like, oh, shit, it's Batman. He said to help us. He's back. He's come out of retirement to stop a fucking crazy alien god from killing us all. That's amazing. He does care. I think, I don't know. He was probably chomping on the bit to save us. The criticisms that might be calling it a question whether or not Batman is international. I would, if I was right, I'd allow that. Why wouldn't you allow that? Like, he'd be famous, right? He's like that crazy Bat guy who saved a whole city from crime. Well, our Batman is internationally recognized. Yeah, that's actually, I was going to say, that's fair. He's a fictional character in our world. But if we saw a big Batwing fly across, we'd be like, fucking Batman is here. Fuck up the aliens, dude. And wouldn't the Batwing have like a speaker on it? And he could just basically, he would just get on and she's like, this is Batman standby. Hello, humans. He's there to help. This is Batman. Let's fuck up this alien race. Hello, puny humans. Puny pores down there. Humans, I am on your side. Batman, why, why would you say it like that? Silence, Earthling. Do not question. This is what's the boomer. No Batman. So yeah, they arrive and they have that amazing shot that has been referenced everywhere. A lot of them arriving there. What night? What night? The two flashes. We love Fortnite. We love Fortnite. But seriously though, when they arrive as two flashes and a super person being super girl, it's just like, oh, so this fight's over. You guys, you guys would have won with one flash. You've got two. Well, it's just Batman, not Batman. Superman alone beat these guys. You've got Supergirl, who is also Superman, plus two flashes, plus Batman. Yeah. Yeah. And to be like, Totally, Barry is just going to use his flash time and just going to break all the necks or something. Could be really easy. You fool. Why would you assume that? That would be insane. That would be really smart. Effective. Doesn't he end up like phasing his hand through one? Well, so OK, so the scene is about to begin and you're like, this will be it. We got a Batman two flashes, Supergirl find an army of Kryptonians. This will be fun, right? This thing Barry one says to Barry two, they're Kryptonian. So we won't be able to kill them, but we can slow them down. Three six lettering kills one. So what flash has a good understanding of what Kryptonians are and how powerful they are and their weaknesses and vulnerabilities. But how does he think that they were beaten? The funny part, I guess, is that he was like, Oh, well, he sees them all as just Superman's loads and loads of Superman's. It's like, so nobody told him what the reality of the Kryptonians were. He just assumes they're all like Superman. It's like, does he never wonder how Superman managed to beat them all at that point? Then it was like, no, he kills one in three seconds later. That's what was mentioned. He actually does. He phases into the guy's heart and then kills him. It's like, so just do that with all of them. That's useful. And also terrifying. It is kind of, yeah. Yeah, that's the villain move from the flash show, actually, which is funny to think about being used here. This is the force lightning of speed powers. It's one of those competency things again. I'm just like, does the filmmaker know they just said he can't kill him and then he killed them? Do they know this? Is this something they intended? What are they going to happen in the action scene? Like that they filmed. They keep pushing them over. They keep hitting them and pushing them and slowing them down. What the danger would actually be if they went into flash time and they just moved them all? Well, we saw what happened. They make them all vomit in their masks. They throw up the Nickelodeon slime into their masks. I mean, we saw right when Flash fought the Parademons. He like kicked the shit out of them. Yeah, right. It's because he's incredibly overpowered. The idea that it's like, oh, well, he's against people who are strong. It's like, okay. Yeah, but he's fast. And that compensates. Exactly. Which makes them strong. And we see that. And they forgot the Kryptonians are meant to be fast, too. Well, yeah. They clearly know we're near fast enough to beat out the Flash. I've said it in some instances they are. Like, Feyre was fast enough to keep up. Like, you remember that part? Like, and Zod. Well, yeah, and Zod does, too. It's just inconsistent. Flash, it's one thing. It's one thing. This is fast. Why would you make them this fast? Let me have this. Yeah, they're not even powered up. They are the limited power Kryptonians. They're not even supercharged. Supercharged. They take off all of his gear and stuff and spend a little bit more time on that. I feel like they forgot about that. They're not as powerful without that. They can't let them vomit inside their own house. So fucking lame, dude. It's like, you've got to know, you have two flashes. Of course you have to nerf him. You've got no action scene if you don't. He's like, yeah, I guess so. Oh, oh, but speaking of nerfs, we found out there's a new weakness to the Kryptonians in this scene, a very interesting weakness that totally does not ruin man of steel even more. Are we ready to talk about this new weakness that we discovered for Kryptonians in this scene? Why don't you enlighten? I'm curious. I'm not exactly sure what you're going for here. Oh, okay. I think I might, but I want to, you know, you go ahead. Yeah, okay, okay. So here's the thing. Here's the thing. So what are we, I'm going to go over what we've established as a Kryptonian weakness in this universe so far. So we've got a Kryptonian atmosphere and we've got, well, technically other Kryptonians and we got Kryptonites. I don't know red sun radiation is a thing in this universe. I can't quite remember it used. They seem to have substituted with Kryptonian air, but we got those. We got those. So in this film, in this film, we discover, we discover. So first, we must flash back to man of steel. I know, I know terrifying thought, terrifying thought to think back to the beginning of this, but that's okay. So remember in that film, General Zod had a little blade that pops out of his wrist and he used it to kind of kill Russell Crowe with it. Yeah, he gave him a little shanky shanky, gave him a little tiny shanky shank. So, but we, but that's understandable because they didn't have powers on Krypton. They're, they're, they're vulnerable there. But what we discover in this film, so, so Supergirl goes up and he's like, yeah, you, what happened to the fucking, what happened to Kal-El? It's just like, oh, the infant didn't survive. I was like, no. So they fight and they fight and then Zod grabs Supergirl by the neck and remember Supergirl, fully powered Kryptonian at this point who inexplicably gets really good at her powers really quick, but whatever. Yeah, so she, so he gets out the blade and stabs the fully powered Kryptonian in the chest and there's no resistance. It just goes right through. So we discover, okay, so General Zod's blade can penetrate a fully, oh, that's a nice sentence right there, can penetrate a fully empowered Kryptonian. Oh my. And then later on in the fight, let's just say, I don't even know if I want to get to that because I feel like I want a full description of what happens later, but let's just say we find out that all that really requires is a jagged piece of Kryptonian metal and it can just straight up kill the Kryptonian. Does he do that super fast though? Is there, is it, that would be slightly better if he did it with the speed force and the armor piece or was it just normal? I think it was, I can't quite remember. I just remember that it felt like a lot of bullshit and it was kind of pairing up with the fact that you're right, all of this fucks with everything, but the thing is, everything is so fucked already that it's like, yeah, why wouldn't they just fuck it up even more, right? Add a few bits on, we're about to get to like the insane multiversal part of it. We haven't even hit that yet, technically. But yeah, I mean, well to sort of get there then, they, Zod says they caught Kal-El and he didn't survive the process of them trying to draw out of him what they needed, but it turns out Kara's the one in this universe that has the information they need for unlocking the embryos. And so they need to draw her blood out of her, I guess. I thought that, you know, when she says, what did you do? And he says the infant did not survive and she like rages out. I kind of liked that. Even though it's like, what I'm liking is imagining more of her history and the characters involved and like how that would be such a big deal and it would make her enraged, especially if she has this duty to a protected Kal-El. It's like, yeah, that works for me, but it's just like, it's so unfortunate there's so little here. This is way for thin. There was incredibly little for Kara. It's kind of unbelievable. I don't, like, it feels like she was barely a part of this film. Well, and she was kind of cool, wasn't she? Yeah, I liked her a little bit for what little there wasn't. For the minute we had. She shows up and she's there and there's a little bit of character like seeping through just a little bit but then she barely even gets a chance and then she's dead. That's it, that's it for her. Interesting terminology. Because she seemed very much about the mission and helping people where she can and the duty bound with the whole Kryptonian stuff and seeing that the world has fallen apart and that Zod likely got here from tracing her ship. I was like, there's a lot here that's... But for the five seconds that you managed to get all of that in, like, you know, we could have had more of here and it would have been okay. Yeah, absolutely. I understand. I think it was like a total waste. Yeah, it's a complete and total waste. I completely agree. Especially because the thing about Supergirl is that she's kind of what a lot of people who aren't as informed think Superman is where she is from Krypton and she grew up on Krypton. She arrives on Earth as a teenager and there's interesting things you can do literally having a Kryptonian perspective coming to Earth, but... Exactly. Film doesn't do anything with it. Well, it's just, you know, the contrast between like Clark is... It's something that I'll keep pushing at this point. Like Clark is a human. He grew up on Earth. He was raised by human parents. He is fully immersed in that experience whereas Kara is Kryptonian in the sense that she knows what Krypton was like. It's a good sort of perspective to contrast, but... 100%. The reality is that she didn't have the time. She didn't have any time here. I was just about to say he's not human. He's American, but... I'll allow Americans to be considered human. I think Bruce would call you guys humans. So you can definitely qualify. Hello, America and humans. Yeah, so she's mad and she starts beating the shit out of him, lasering him. She seems to be dominating, which if you've seen the other films, you'll know, yeah, of course she will. She's going to dominate the fuck out of him. He's not going to stand much of a chance. I'll put a pin in that. Then Batman is flying around and he manages to attach himself and trick two enemy Kryptonian ships into going around a mountain top and smashing into each other. I couldn't fucking believe it. I was like, these guys have ships that are bazillions of technologies ahead of your Batwing, which hasn't been updated presumably in like 10 years, maybe even more. The idea that you just trick them into killing each other, I know it's Batman, but I was just like, I don't know about that. That's the kind of dumb shit. Whenever I see it, like the whole, ooh, I'm going to trick them into shooting each other or bumping into each other and crashing, I was like, I just don't believe you. It's hard to buy it. That's just a really tough sell that you were able to do that at all. Just don't do that. If you split up this whole battle on this area, you get like 10% Kara versus Zod, 10% Batman flying around, 10% flashes actually hurting people and about, you know, 70% of Barry 1 and Barry 2 talking to each other. And it's hard, man. Hard to be like, why? Why'd you keep stopping and talking to each other? And it's because there's just barely any prep for Barry 2, so he just keeps fucking up, basically. And they had to do it like that because if he didn't fuck up, they would have won immediately. Yeah, it would have. So yeah, it's a really fucking lame fight. You barely see like interesting parts of people you actually give a shit about. Because yeah, I think we've actually, I've actually described all of the notable things before everyone dies. So yeah, pretty much. There's not that much to talk about in this scene. It's just a really shitty fight sequence. Yeah, that's really shitty. And like Kara's beating the fuck out of Zod and he's like rammed into a wall and then it cuts to her and she like falls over tired. And I was like, fuck off. I knew that moment. I was like, you had to nerf her because she was, she'd obviously win. And so you want me to believe that the logic is she's newly super personed. And so she's been, she did a bit of punching and lasering and now she's exhausted. Like boo. Superman didn't have to deal with this shit. Zod didn't have to deal with this shit when he was supposed to power. Yes, Zod got this pretty quick as well. But oh well. And of course, she wearily grabs his arm to access the world engine and shut it down. But because she's turned his back on him, he just stabs her and she's dead. Yeah. Boo. Lame. Absolutely, lame as fuck. Boring. Lame, lame. If you're going to kill her, could you at least have had to get ganged up by like all those Kryptonians in a big fucking fight that she gets overwhelmed by and even have Batman try to help her out or something? Something. Don't just get stabbed in the back because she turned her back. What the fuck? That's so boring. Which by the way, when that happened and how little fanfare it got, the thought I had, the first thought was like, wow, really? And then the second thought was, oh, they're going to rewind this, aren't they? This ain't it. This ain't like the end. They're going to try again. Because you can tell when the film, the ton of tone that they have when something significant happens, like especially a character death, and it just played really straight and basic. Yeah, because it was like throwaway. But yes, that is a fair inference to make from this insane story anyway. But it kind of has a funny backfire to think about, which we'll get to. So that happens, of course. And then the flash actually dominating in their fight, but somehow they allow all that to happen, even though Zod is the main one they need to take out. And they could take out, in the time it would take Supergirl to blink. I just, it's just so annoying, but whatever. So we cut to Batman and he looks at the mothership and he's like, I'm going to take out that ship and fires some rockets at it. It has shields, so his rockets do nothing. And then they just shoot once at him. And it damages his ship in such a way that he can't eject and he's just fucked. And you're like, what? And then he says, I'm going down. And Barry's like, no, he goes, but don't worry, I'm going to take him down with me. I legit didn't know what they were fucking trying to say. They have Batman announced that he's going to kamikaze. That's it for him. He's done now because he'll take someone out with him. He crashes into the mothership and it does nothing. It's like, what the fuck? It just dies and you're like, okay. Goodbye, goodbye, Batman. It's the, it's so fucking lame. I just can't describe how, no. No, it just, it hits a shield. It hits a shield and it's nothing. It was for nothing. It didn't make any difference. You could have at least, like what we'd be saying if it had worked is like, why did that work? But I would have taken that over, just making him go over and didn't do anything. But then, but then yeah, at that point it was very clear. It's like, oh, they're going to rewind this. You can't have Michael Keaton's Batman blow up like without doing any damage and then not, you know, play it very seriously. And it's just how casually he just decides that he's going to die now. Yeah. Like, like, oh, I can't, I'm having trouble, you know, getting the cockpit open on my ship. I guess, I guess I'll die now. I guess I'll kamikaze into an alien spaceship instead of, well, I guess I'll land and figure out how to get out of this thing. Or maybe I'll like turn around and hit my cockpit on a rock or something. Do we even need to talk about how that is not a Batman thing to do whatsoever, just to be like, I give up, bye. Michael Keaton Batman. Certainly not. No, it's not. It's not, it's not in the same universe as Batman and Batman Returns. It ain't. And thank God. Yes, it scrambled everything up because at times something and there's clearly something wrong with his brain. And Bruce Wayne is, something's going on. Something's going on. This isn't him. He didn't have another way of getting out. You'd think you would find something. Yeah, you don't have a bat gadget to cut through your, to cut through the, remember, just to be clear, remember, in Batman Returns, he punches through his own batmobile of his own batmobile to get the little radar device on the radio transmitter off. So I don't know. Maybe he saved all the really good material. Someone pointed out he could cut through that like Russian steel, but he can't cut through his own window. Russian steel is that cheap ship. It's that cheap ship window. The bat window made of bat steel, batmantium. Yeah, it is a good stuff. So could he not? Oh my God. Just land it? No. Yeah, just the emergency landing and then just figure it out. Let's be honest, he just wanted to die. He was done. He just didn't give a shit. He was like, ah, fuck it. I'm done. I'm bored. I got a note here that after both of those... He didn't tell anyone. I got a note that after both of those events take place, I've got, Zod gets his fleam juice to restart the Kryptonian race. Happy ending. Hooray. Happy ending. He wins. It's a good one. Good one. Start log. Bye bye. Let's see. Super, Batman dies in its lane. Super girl dies in its lane. I see you've covered the majority of the important parts of this scene then. It's that you get a free, you get a free kill on Super Girl and Batman and that's what you do. Yeah, they get like, it, they don't even, like Mahler said, you know, Super girl getting completely overwhelmed by all the Kryptonians or Batman doing everything he can to like save soldiers and, or maybe he come, tries to come to Super Girl's defense and he just gets overwhelmed as a part of it. Or maybe he dies trying to help the flashes and it's a very personal, sort of like close up death to them, which really is extra, even more motivation for them to go back because he died trying to save them and they feel more of a need to set things right because of that. You know, something, but instead we got this and it's like, man, just, you just suck. You fucking suck as a writer. If this is what you come up with, you just suck. Fuck you. Well, and I think with what you said earlier, it becomes clear what the goal is. Flash goes, wait, but they don't have to be dead, right? We can just go back. And what's interesting to me is, they should have just done the Snyder cut go back. That go back would have been more suitable here, right? Instead of the multi-versal go back. Yeah, the free one that has no negative consequences. Exactly, just do that one. Don't do the one with the strings attached. Just do the free redo. Well, so that's why... Do the load game. I would say that's why this movie had already lost its mind, but this is where it just absolutely blows up. Like, they do the same thing, technically, that Barry first did in this whole movie to make this whole scenario happen, but nothing changes in terms of the timeline, if you know what I mean. They go back. The same exact battle is happening. Yeah, they don't pivot. And everyone's in the exact same positions. They don't enter a new timeline where everything's changed, even though they're doing the exact same thing. I know that you'd be like, yeah, but he went back like 18 years or whatever. This one, this time, he only went back, you know, however long. And you'd be like, yeah, but it's going back at all, isn't it? It doesn't matter what time you're in. That's the point. It pivots no matter what. The counterbeat, the first time he did it, he went back a very long time and then traveled a little bit ahead. Ended up in a spot where everything had changed. Well, but according to Michael Keaton, it alters the whole thing. No matter what you, if you go back whatever point you change anything at, it'll now pivot the whole thing. But if you go back to the point at which you changed it, that would be the same. How does that work then? So if you never actually traveled forward, instead you lived going forward, would it not have the dramatic changes in the past as well or no? Yes, I think, oh, shoot. I don't know how it works. No, because when he goes back to the store, correct his first mistake of moving the can of tomatoes, things changed then either. Yeah, that's the problem. I don't think that makes sense either once they tell us that, so you're at 10 on the scale of time and you go back to 5 to do a thing, then you go up to 8 and everything's different now and even Michael Keaton says even 1, 2, 3, 4 are different. So then if he had gone to 5, changed something at 5 and then just lived in 5 for a while, does Michael Keaton Batman just sort of begin to just appear? Do you know what I mean? Like how does that timeline begin to turn into the pivoted one? Because it only does it once he changes something, right? But we argued, shouldn't that happen the second he goes there? Because that's already a change? I don't know why we've entertained this conversation again. We're not entertained. It's horrible, we should. Because we also, they also don't replace themselves. They go back and there's two more flashes there. So now we have four flashes. But those two don't get involved in anything even though they just seem more flashes running around. Which by the way, should probably be like, oh, fuck, there's four of us. Oh, geez. Oh, you know the more. No, just ignore them. Yeah. Is there a reason why just rewind to when they first show up to fight the Kryptonians? Because I was thinking about this. This is a problem with a lot of time travel media. Why don't you go back further? Why did you pick here? I got to do this. Oh, no, I showed up two hours before or 10 minutes before, instead of like days before, weeks before. Right. So they probably should do that. I wasn't there. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. I wasn't there already, already there, like a ton of different flashes. And if they, this is part of that same timeline. Well, we talked about it earlier, but they should end up with like millions of them running around after what flash to use. Fuck ton of flashes. But they don't care about it. If I can't remember, maybe I'm just forgetting it, but if they go back in time to save Batman and back, or girls, girl alien lady, aren't there going to be copies of them and that one that they go back to? I don't know anymore. Because if they go back in time, there's going to be four of them now in that battle. The two originals, quote unquote, and then the two ones that just went back in time to save Bat in season. Doesn't that also make the future, like does that also create the future in which they go back again? It doesn't. I mean, is there should actually be... No, I don't think so. I don't think it'll create the future where they have to go back. It will just be, now there's four of them, two of which having came to that point from the back end, and two of them came coming from the other way around. Well, this is the really weird thing about it is that when we see them come out of the time stream, we see them come out and we do see four flashes. But then the film forgets that there's four flashes immediately after that shot. We only deal with the two, with our flashes. That's the only one that we deal with and they go around. We don't even know what the other ones do. Maybe they vaporize them by going in and just like, fuck off, man. Did their deals, but there should be two more doing stuff in the background at least or whatever and be like, what the fuck? Why is there even more of us now? And yeah, if we have this loop going on, there should be multiple, at least there should be multiple flashes too because he's the one who goes in and out of time. Right. It'd be interesting if they showed up at the beginning and suddenly just saw a bunch of flashes appear. It's just all flashes. They would have to put it together. Like, oh shoot, we're going to try to go back in time. That's a lot of dead Batman's. How am I supposed to say that? Come on, let's pile it up. This is a pile. The Zod is like, what the fuck is happening? Where are you going from? What weaponry does this planet have? They have clone technology. They just assume it's clones. But it's actually freaking time travel. That's the other thing, right? Like we don't actually, Zod really doesn't have any reaction to the other superheroes there, which you would think they would at least give them like a, what the fuck? Why is there a batch person there? Why are there lightning people here? Oh well. Like they don't even do that. He's just really nonchalant about the whole thing. Well, it seems like Berry too is not even like a match for him at all. Like every time we see him go in and out, we get there in a bit, I'm sure. But it's like, just grabs him every time, notices him. He fails and fails again. I'm sure we get deep into that one, but yeah, it's just, I don't know. It's just, it's fucked. It's just really fucked. This movie is quite fucked. I would say it's supremely fucked. So bad. Yeah. Man, that soup can't be that good. Like, come on. He phases through one of them. I guess you could say this is Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, this film, or maybe Attack of the Killer Can Tomatoes. What was that with the phasing? This film, I guess it looks like this film, but if it wasn't this film, what does that look like in Attack of the Can Tomatoes? You know? Really fast tomatoes. Really fast tomatoes, as opposed to the slow ones. Running around, planning on what though? I don't know. It's going to be like a movie, like the Killer Bean movie, you know, it's like really badly animated, or really funnily animated, and just going around being cool and shit. Just with tomatoes. Yeah. Oh my god. Right, yeah. Attack of the Killer Tomatoes movies did they make? They were like super tomato, and a flash tomato, and a super girl tomato. Yeah, let's go with that. I will say, in that section scene, it was like, it really was hard to gauge exactly how strong or weak like either Barry was. Yeah, yeah. Like between seeming super strength, like if they're running really fast to like being not very strong at all, as well as like, because they have like accelerated healing capabilities, right? They do, yeah. But then like, kind of looks like injuries are permanent, because remember flash gets that that scar. We like to find out that that's a permanent one, because evil flash has it, as well as obviously the impalement with the with the super sharp objects as well, which presumably he could just phase them out of him. He doesn't even need to pull them out. He could just phase them, and then they'd fall out. Yeah. Do you love how the Baraka blade that he gets, just he happens to land perfectly to be a stabbing implementer? You just love. Really? Well, rather than being really inconvenient and debilitating. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Well, I mean, how else would it be? That's insane. They fucking not only gave the flash a Baraka blade, they accidentally gave the flash a Baraka blade. Again, that was another instance of the film being incredibly predictable. As soon as he got it, it's like, ah, he's the evil flash. He is going to use it. This is kind of funny, because you do think for a second, it's like, they thought that was clever, didn't they? They thought it was clever, but it wasn't because, of course, he's starting to get more unhinged as the battle goes, and he's getting impaled in a way that looks similar to that evil flash. He's obviously evil flash. Well, when he is like that scar, as you just pointed out, I was like, he would have healed that. That's just that terrible stab. See, he's down. I think it's hilarious, because he's been going in and out, and somehow he managed to get hit every time he got in there by some kind of ripped-night thing. And to a degree where he's covered in it with head to toe, I think for some reason, he never got ripped him out when they're getting in the way and making it harder for him. This is kind of, it's like a, what do you call it, like a symbiosis? I don't know. Symbiotic thingy. Yeah. This is really weird. He even has like shoes with it. Like it's all over his body. And I was like, okay. Their first attempt with fixing everything, so to speak, is pretty weak, as we just mentioned. You should probably just go back really fast. You can actually strategize. And if you're going to go back, right? You may as well make the most of it. But no, they only go back like a minute before both of them die. And so like, okay, Batman, he's like, I'm going to take out the big ship. It's like, no, Batman, it's shielded. And he goes, Roger that, it just moves off. And it's, it's so like, choppy. It's like, what the fuck? Yeah. Was there no way Batman could discover it was shielded without that? It was like, whatever. And then Babad's like, the big guy ain't shielded. And then Barry is like, yeah, take him out. And so, I guess we'll do Babad first. It's like, he fires his mini gun on his ship at the, at the huge Kryptonian guy. He basically just eats all of it and then jumps onto his ship until it eventually crashes. And then Batman and him have like a one on one, which Batman engages, by the way. Batman didn't have to run into him head first. He could have flown away. Yep. He decided. He could have flown away. I'm going to go for him. That's a great thing of like, weapons. You can just go far away and then shoot them from there. It's pretty, pretty useful. And so yeah, Batman takes on a Kryptonian in a one on one fight and loses, shockingly. Because the way Batman wins stuff is he's a strategist. He uses his strengths against their weaknesses. He fights smarter, not harder. He doesn't just go, fuck you. Blah. The puncher. Yeah. He dies again. So that's fun. For some reason, a lot of people found this death like satisfying. I thought it was stupid again. It's very stupid. Same. Same. Same. So like he goes out fighting. And I was like, he goes out like a fucking moron. Again. Batman is smart. Batman is really smart. He's also just clever. He's tactical. I also just saw him die. So I kind of already tried to do this. And now just doing it again. Like, okay. And so we'll get. Go ahead. Okay. I was confused. At which point the film was trying to tell me that the time traveling wouldn't work. It was really at that point. Well, because what I thought happened was I thought Gary said, tried to, does he say, oh, he said, we'll bring you back or something. And he says, you already did. Guys. First, I thought he was, I thought Bruce was saying that he knew that he had time traveled. No. I read that as him saying like, already tried that it's not going to work. I thought that was the point at which the movie was saying that time traveling solution would not work. But I don't know why he'd think that. Or because we totally know I'm Batman. If I die, then it must not even be possible for me to survive. There's no way I say the time travel. Just like it just doesn't work. It's like, is this cannon with the Snyder cut with the payoff is he saves everyone with time travel? Hello. Why am I pretending like it doesn't work after one failed try, which by the way, because remember, you can change events as we discovered by him not, you know, getting killed by the ship and kamikaze-ing. I mean, like you can clearly change events so that a different thing happens. Yeah. And also the kind of tomatoes that cause this entire thing to happen in the first place. The implication I got, even though it's only two times we see it happen, it's like, no matter what you do, Batman dies here. And it's like, no, we've done two times and both times he killed himself. So maybe if we tell him, Batman, don't kill yourself. Don't kill yourself, Batman. Yeah, stop it. Maybe we know that Batman has to die in a battle that he wasn't even originally going to be in anyway, because it didn't even exist originally. Like, what the fuck is happening? Yeah, that'd be a way to save him. Batman, we don't need you anymore. He'd be like, yeah, okay, cool, bye. Because he doesn't care. Yeah. I'm gonna go mix them all together. And then there's also just the notion that it's impossible for them to win as well. When it's like, I don't know, man, when he got empowered and got the Baraka thing, he killed Fayor pretty easily. So just gonna get Zod. Faze your fist into Zod and it's over. Exactly. Use your flash time. So stupid. Well, speaking of that, right, because I've already implied the truth, which is Kara dies again. How? Well, if you're against Zod, she already nearly won. All she needed to do was kill him instead of turning it back on him. So the flash turns up to help her too, like flash two, and you're like, oh shit. So it's definitely over for Zod now. Flash two or Baratoo's plan is to run around Zod really fast to essentially create a smoke screen so he can't quite see very well. And then Supergirl's gonna fly in and punch, fly in and punch. Fly in and punch. Fly in and punch. Punches don't seem to be doing much. Zod's like, Oh, that's annoying. Yeah. And I was reminded of Thanos when Doctor Strange and Spider-Man are doing their combo. And Thanos grabs Spider-Man by the throat and crushes him down. And I was like, oh, I'm guessing something like that will happen then, even though it makes no sense in this context because you can't see shit and she's coming in super fast and she's stronger than you. But of course, Zod punches her as she comes in because he sees her coming. And then she hits the ground so hard she's knocked out and then he just stabs her again. She's dead. Yeah. It's like, oh, that was lame. Absolutely lame as fuck again. And Barry too like got knocked out of his little tornado when it's just like, you just super speed punched him in the heart. He'd be dead. That's all you have to do. Yep. Yeah, he like drips and doesn't get up. Absolutely baffling that they showed us that to then never let that he would use it ever again. It's like, it's like the ice powers that that Defender Strange has. He just can only only once. You can only use it once and then it goes on a five year cool down. When you talk to the people who make this stuff and they're like, it looked cool. It wasn't meant to be something they could do. That's why we're so impressed because it looks so cool. You did it. Good job. You succeeded. You can tell that you succeeded. That looks so nice. And yeah, so after this happens Barry too is like, come on Barry, let's go again. And then Barry one is like, no, there's no point. And I was like, yeah, there is. You can just save them. You guys fucked it up again. All you need to do is actually win this time. That's it. All you have to do is use this crazy power as you showed us in the beginning of the movie. No. And they don't even implement the whole nerve with the calorie intact. That's just not a thing anymore. That's just they just go nuts this whole time. It's like, no, we're good. And yeah, and they, yeah, they kill big guy on Fiora pretty easily. And again, it just supports the whole idea that like they could win. They could have won, but whatever. And Barry two is like, let's go crazy and starts trying to keep doing it over and over again. And he's like, as he's doing it, he's like reporting back to flash one. I think at one point he says, like, I need you as well. You need to jump in. And if he has like, essentially infinite time by standing in the multi-verse thing, why isn't he standing still and saying, please come with me. I've done this a thousand times and I'm still losing, please. But no, he just keeps going without him and losing. I don't know how he loses that many times. I almost want to see it. It's like, how could this be possible? And then how many flashes are running around in that reality where you've kept traveling back to it? A billion. A billion. It's an army. Apparently not enough to win. And it never, and it never resets the spaghetti verse to where it changes everything. And it's not even, everything's right where they left it. You keep showing imagery of Kara dying in all these different like scenarios, but mainly it's just Zod grabbing her and punching her and stuff. And it's just like, the film completely forgets that the average fight between those two, she wins. That's how the mechanics have been built previously. You can't just like, nah, Zod wins. Zod just wins because he just does, I guess. She probably turned it back in most of those. That's the easy way to get it. He should just warn her every time. Zod has a knife on his gauntlet. Don't let him stab you with it or it'll kill you. Then we get a quote that generally speaking about this whole movie, I don't know what the fuck we're supposed to make of it. Barry once says, we could try a million times. We can't fix this. No matter what we do, this will dies today. He's, yeah. Yeah, sure. I feel like that. So for me, it's like, if someone was submitting that as dialogue for the superhero movie and I had to approve it, I'd be like, you're going to need a lot of justification to let this line come into this movie, that we have to let the world die. That's something you're going to have to really justify. And it's not at all. It's just like, why we can all, you guys, the flash could easily have destroyed the world engines himself. But no. Nope. No. We're just going to let Zod win. Because Barry once decided that's just fate. He wins. Fuck the Batman 89 universe or whatever the hell this universe is supposed to be called. And then. Yeah, I guess he's just like, yeah, I guess fate's real. Destiny's a thing. It's just supposed to happen, I guess it's been. It's bad enough. How it is. But he thinks that. But he's also decided himself that you can't save their world. And it's like, who said that? But you already agree that you can change some things. The fact that you've been around at all means that you can change things. But you've decided you can't change that. That sounds like something that you probably shouldn't give up on, you know, the whole world. It looks like we're like, yeah, we can take steps, but we can't walk down the street. Yeah. So then Barry two says, you're the one that told me I was a hero. Now what? Are you saying you don't want me to be? And I was like, that's not, I feel like you're missing the real substance here, which is how about we actually like keep trying though? That's the thing. You really want to see how that scene turns out if flash two just said, so I'm going to try and save these innocent people. And I'm going to keep trying. And you can stay here if you want and watch me. Like fail over and over again until I some point succeed in saving my family, which by the way, I know it's dumb to say but like flash two should be probably appealing to that. It's like this is the world where all of my family and loved ones live. Maybe you can understand me not giving up as fast as you. Yep. But no, we don't do any of that. He just says, I am the flash. And nobody has to die. Like, okay. It's like, it's a, do you know who I am? Kind of line. It's like, I'm evil line. I'm me, but evil. As long as it is flash two does keep trying to be fair. It's like, yeah, but his justification is I am the flash. Which is like, instead of appealing to the fact that first of all, you should just want to try and save this world's Barry one. That's something that you should probably be motivated to do, even if it seems hopeless. But I don't know, man. This movie is almost nihilistic at certain points. It's like, well, we're fucked because fate says so. Everything's fucking meaningless. You're like, though. No, I kind of need that other character to be like, no, actually. Yeah, because Barry one then says not everything has a solution. Sometimes you just have to let go and they even have flashbacks to the stupid math scene. Yeah, instead, in case you're stupid and didn't remember that. Absolutely fucking insane that he's appealing to that memory in the context of let the world burn. Sometimes you just got to let the whole fucking universe. Sometimes the earth just has to die. You know how it is. Maybe it's like, oh, yeah. We're superheroes. I love me. Some Barry Allen flash, you know, where he's like, fuck it, we lost. I'm out of here. Fuck this shit. Yeah. And by the way, Barry two says back to him, you're full of shit, dude. Which is like, yeah, that's yeah, good response. There's like some point that they're trying to go for in terms of like accepting reality for what it is. But the problem is that the character can just rewind time. And you did it in the Snyder cut. That's candid to this film, apparently on that. That was, I mean, which is just remembered before. Sorry. Fuck no. Before he said that, he was like, oh, I have to break my one rule. Do we? We don't even know what that rule is by now, right? Like that's just something he said. Yeah. Like that kind of applies. He knows some shit is going to happen when he does something, but that's just forgotten now, I guess. It says like weird things happen with time. He's like, hmm. Oh, okay. Even if the Snyder cut wasn't canon to this movie, and this movie was trying to tell me that messing with time, you can't go back and fix things. Even if you try like a hundred million ways. I still think even as unbelievable that as that is, I still think there's a better way to execute that than what they were doing. You then people flash shows up and he says, he says like zapping. It was me, Barry. He starts zapping Barry one. And it was me, Barry. It's that shot that's been shared around a lot that looks awful of Ezra Miller screaming as he's electrocuted. It looks just awful in the multi-vessel bone. Really in one bow. Yeah. And then the flashes are like angry at each other and they start zapping and it like puts holes in the multi-viz ball and old purple flash. It turns out to be younger. Well, older flash too. And he looks like this because he's trying to save everyone over and over and over and over and over again for like a thousand years or whatever. Yeah. And yeah, I would just say they'd be like, uh-huh. I just don't care. Yeah, I almost have a really uplifting message. Yeah. Well, again, it's a problem that there's like a message there about the nature of like accepting reality for what it is and, you know, moving on and things like that. But the problem is again, you know, people can't rewind time. Flash can. And there's like, there's a conversation to even be had there as well about what does it mean to save people if like somebody dies and then you rewind it? It's like, have you saved them or are you essentially saving like a duplicate of themselves? You know, those sorts of questions about, you know, but I don't think the film is ready for that kind of, uh, that kind of conversation about whether it's even possible to save somebody by rewinding the fun or if you are necessarily saving a different entity. Yeah, they're not ready for that. Someone in chat said, uh, I am the flash, Dr. Hudd. I am the flash. I am the flash. I am the flash. Which brings us to possibly the part that everyone would have wanted to talk about the most. Yeah, the fun cameos. The cameos. This is when we said like this is kind of raw here where it's all peaked out as this era filmmaking. This feels like the most like kind of gross key jangling crap we have ever seen. And they took very little time to justify this in universe. They just wanted to show you things you like on screen. That's it. Head hurting. It's bad. The first one we see is like the earliest, I guess, on-screen Superman. Yeah. Is that Christopher Reef? No, it was before that. It's George Reeves, then. Yeah. Was that when George Reef or was it even earlier like the 30s serials? I assumed it would just be the first because that would, I don't know, make some sense to in terms of... I checked. I'm pretty sure the first one that shows up in the same thing is then George Reeves. Okay. Yeah. And then we got the Christopher Reef one, I think. Well, no, Wally West is next. We had Wally West, right? And then we had Adam West. The order is... Wally West is... Original Superman, Wally West, Christopher Reef, Superman, and then Adam West, then Nicholas Cage, Superman, and then Reeves again. Or Reeve. Yeah. Hey, where was Wally West in this? Yeah, he pops in second. He's the second one. It's black and white. Oh. That would be... That was... That wouldn't be Wally West. Wait, aren't you talking about Jake, Eric? That's that, yeah. Oh, okay. I don't know my flashes that well. Wally West is like one of the newer, like newer, he was after our crashes. The one they showed... He was originally Kid Flash. Yeah, because they tried to bring in some other older flashes into the infinitisms, right? We saw... He sacrificed himself so the Grandgustin doesn't have to write. That was not the guy who showed up here. No, I figured, because that guy was in black and white and shit. Well, no C-doubling you cameos here. Well, something that people have talked about, right? Grandgustin, the guy who played Flash for what? Like a decade at this point is alive. Actually able to agree to this because, yeah, there is that conversation. I like the idea he says a fucking email to them saying, I am alive, like... You know, Christopher... That's why he's not in there. It's just Christopher Reeve doesn't get to, like, agree or disagree. Like, he doesn't get a choice and whether or not he wants to participate in this or have his likeness. How does that work? Like, do they just have to write? I have no idea. Do they just have to write to the DIP and then they can just do it? Or do they ask family members or whatever? Presumably it's whoever inherits so it could be family members that approved it. I know that... Isn't that how they did it for talking, I think? It's like the estates, I think. I don't think I know. I'm not sure how it works when it comes to somebody's essentially rights to their own image, especially when was that baked into any sort of agreements that they would have made in the 70s, you know? Like, I actually don't know. I have no idea. But... Well, and so maybe to try and make this clear, like, why is this so kind of gross? It's... You open up a little portally thing and then it's like this static, not very well-rendered Christopher Reeve model that's just there to be looked at and then the theme plays and then it spins around and then he's just staring at this insane crap film through a portal and just like... They just look at it and it's like, oh, God, it's a flash, fuck. I have to turn back time to prevent that feature from happening. It is a blank expression. Yeah. It's like he's a prop. It's like they're using it as a prop. There's very little immersion or fantasy between you and the writer and that is the writer saying, excuse me, sir. And you go, yeah? You know, like, do you like Christopher Reeve as Superman? You know, like, yes. Here's a poster of him. You know, like, yeah? Oh, okay. Oh, thanks. And then they're like, okay, so do you like our movie? Doesn't that make you like our movie? Yeah. You feel happy now. You're like, no, I don't like your movie. In fact, the fact that you've just made that, yeah. I just like you more for that, just for doing this. That's really gross, actually. I would do you if I could. And it's made, it's just, I think they've they've bitten off more than they could chew with this. They assume we put these people in and everyone's happy, right? Which, by the way, I know several people who were happy seeing this stuff. Very happy. I also have seen the internet revolt against this shit to the point where it's become much more popular to say, this is gross, never do it again. Yeah. I think it was the thing that turned people on the film before it even came out because that was one of the first things that we started talking about around. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, I think that set the narrative essentially, the narrative being, fuck this movie. Like it really, really got that emotion. We had a really weird choice. It's particularly crazy as well because I've talked about like other cameos that they thought that they wanted to do. Like this wasn't even it. There was, there were other ideas that were entertained. Of getting more people thrown in there to just throw them in there for the sake of having them. And it's like, and what? Like you think that that earns you points for your movie? That has nothing to do with your movie. It earns you nothing. It's true. You lose. Good day, sir. It's, what is it? Good day, sir. I want you people standing around as giant like spears are crashing into each other in these universes with shit visual effects. Well, the implication is that there's leads and holes and stuff is like, Nicholas Cage would probably come in then. Would he not? He'd be like, what the fuck is that? He'd be more than happy to. Oh, I was actually, I meant that in universe, but also yes, you're correct. I don't know why the fuck they didn't just get Nicholas Cage to come in. Well, the amazing, the amazing visual effects there, right? Where every single thing on screen doesn't look real. Every single thing. Yeah, but it's supposed to look that way. That isn't supposed to look that way. That's meant to be real representations of those people. It's the multiversal sphere thing. Everything is seen from Ezra Miller's perspective. And therefore the director said anything to do with that scene is supposed to look like shit, except that he's making. Yeah, he's making it. It's supposed to look shit like he's making. Consider that actually. Don't worry. He won't have scenes in Batman that are supposed to look shit, right? If he makes that movie. I guess I just, I don't know. Like that's how how this. Well, you know, this sucks to be like a VFX artist. Oh, I'm sure it did. Like, but again, this film was shot like two years ago. So what happened? Were they not working on it? I don't know. Like what was the incursion? I strongly believe that a good chunk of these decisions were made very, very late in the game. I could believe that. I saw them. Let's just throw that in there. So a screenshot of the sort of static almost like rag dolly of like several of these cameos versus just one screenshot of the three Spider-Man hugging at the end of No Way Home where they're all like actually beaten up. They've got the blood makeup on. They're all smiling at each other. And it's just like, please can people understand the difference? This is seriously important. Love of God. I think a lot of people learn very bad lessons from that film. Yeah. I learned all the wrong lessons. Yeah. You guys like Adam West? You guys like Nicholas Cage? Nicholas Cage one is especially funny because this vast majority of the people in the world don't know what that's even referencing. And so all they have to go on is did you throw a Nicholas Cage Superman in just because it's the multiverse and you can do anything? Because Nicholas Cage is kind of a meme of a person at this point. And so they might just assume that you did it for the lulls. Look, it's Nicholas Cage fighting a giant spider. When it's like, no, there's a whole story behind that, but you'll never know what it is. Most people will never know that story. The stories don't matter. Look, it's Nicholas Cage. That's an awkward vibe to sort of get from people when this is meant to be like the big dramatic sort of conclusion of the story. At least at Nicholas Cage, they rang. Oh, no, he's got a massive cock. So anyway, I thought it was good to just let that summer for like a second. It's called soaking. So anyway, because we're getting real close to the credits now, I'm just saying. Thank God. Barry says, we're destroying the fabric of everything. You have to stop. And then Evil Barry, I guess, says it stops when I fix everything. I made you create me. And now you're in my way. And so he goes to stab Barry one. And it's so funny because it's hyper telegraphed, right? It's like, you're the flash. You can dodge that shit. At most, he's as fast as you. So you're just moving out of the way. But then Barry, too, who's also there is like, no, and gets in the way of it and takes the hit and dies. And it's like, you didn't have to do that. But like, you're just bad. You're bad at stuff. You're really, you're a new evil purple flash man is like, what? And then crumbles because, you know, past him is just dead now. Yeah. And so I guess it works like that. Yeah. And then Barry, too, says, tell my mom I love her. And I was like for a moment, like, fucking hell, Barry one, you have caused so much suffering with your stupid decision. Like this kid was dragged around by you, given powers forced into a situation that you told him to simply accept his whole world's death and that he dies, protecting you. Like, fuck it, L. Obviously the film is crap, but that is really buyer for Barry, isn't it? As a character, I don't think he even realizes that by the time he hits the end of the movie, he's joyful again. But it's like, man, he shouldn't be thinking about that other Barry. He was cringe. Sure. But like, God damn. Yeah. That doesn't mean you deserve to like die or have your entire sense of self and your entire world destroyed. You know, that's pretty bad cringe, but like, come on. I would have loved to hear the conversation between Flash and Batman after all this is over. Yeah. Like you did fucking. What? Wow. I don't know if I want you to just speak anymore. You piece of shit, Barry. I don't even want you on the Justice Friends. The Justice Associates. So the Associates of Justice as quicker. Yeah. So Barry decides to go back in time and to obviously fix his mistake with the soup. I don't know if anyone else felt this way, but the second he started talking to his mum, I was like, oh, so you just fucked it up again now. Yeah, you've ruined it again. Because that never happened before. And that's all it takes. The universe doesn't see the difference between dropping some soap or soup in there and you talking to someone that you don't talk to. He needs to watch The Simpsons episode where it was just like, you know, I almost sat in that fish and that was it. That was enough to throw everything off. Stupid bug. You go squish now. That was just one little mosquito. That can't change the future, right? Right? I wish I hadn't sat on that. Oh, God. And then went, uh, do you think the writers were like, well, he's bigger. She doesn't know. So the universe doesn't know. So it's fine. Oh, it's just the problem is people get really bad when the fact that you were there displacing the air molecule was changed and everything. Like that's how simple it is. It's not even the butterfly effect. It's the you're here effect. You are here. You are causing problems simply by virtual being here. All I was going to say was just, man, it was funny when Homer went to that world where everything was amazing. But then there were no donuts. And these trees are runs away and then it starts raining donuts. Would you kindly pass me a donut? What's a donut? A donut. Oh, no. It's raining again. Yeah. Oh, poor Homer. Better show, better media. Better time travel. Yes, better time travel. So, yeah, they have the chat. It's kind of I would feel something if there was a real movie behind it, but there's not. Yeah, that's what I thought. It was like, man, in isolation, this is actually not terrible. But I just want to go home now. That's the problem. Yeah, in isolation, it's like, yeah, there is like a better film where this is a great payoff. But in totality, it's a mess. It's a complete mess. I also think the Flash show, I mean, virtually did the exact same thing that the show did. I think the show handled it a little better. I hope so. Maybe it did. I mean, I watched Crustis on Infinite Earth, so I do have low expectations of the CW stuff in general after that. Oh, we did like that. I think that's a story. It's something really depressing. There are VFX in the CW Flash that are better than this Flash in this movie because of people moving at the right speed. Yeah, but those weren't meant to be shitty. That's right. Yeah, idiot. I got two notes before credits, so I'm so happy right now. Okay. Flash is tampered with the footage in such a way or whatever that it saves his dad now in court. But of course that means... Do you know what he did? What did he do? He changed. So there were cans of soup on top and the ones he wanted on the bottom, so he changed the whole soup layout. So that you would have to look up sort of to grab the soup. Exactly, yeah. He was retarded, but fine, whatever. The point, of course, is that if you do that, then you've literally repeated the mistake you spent the whole movie learning not to do. So I don't understand that at all. Maybe he moved enough soup that it's fine. No, it doesn't. The point, why does he put the soup in her thing? It's to save her life. Why is he doing that with the soup now? It's to save his dad from being in jail. It's like, why does he think that it wouldn't pivot? Like, it always did. And then he's surprised when it pivots. On my last notes, yeah. How does he... Is going back in time to unfuck up your fuck up, not going to cause more fuck ups? Why don't you just go back in time, peek your head in to the moment your mother gets killed, see who the fuck did it, and then you can form a paper trail in the fucking present. Go to Batman and say, this guy did it. Let's find a way to pin him down. Why don't you time travel nowhere and kill yourself? It's just... I don't get... They spent the whole movie learning the lesson and then he just shits on it. What? Yeah, it's like, oh, are you really doing... What was this journey about? And then he has the balls to be surprised that something changes. What's wrong with you? Of course, something changed. Batman. Batman and Robin Cannon. Well, that's the thing. I was kind of happy about that. Slight... I got another little note here. Let me see. Sorry. Trial happens, Father Shragas. After the trial, you think that Barry would really want to be with his father, spending a lot of time with him, not chatting with Iris? Whatever. We need to pay off, okay? For some reason, she wants to go on a date now and I don't know why. Because happily ever after, except the little twist of the earth. Whoa, yeah. My God. Wait, oh my God. Where's... Where's Ben at? I do like the idea that someone like, constantly be like, you fucked the world up so much, it made Batman and Robin Cannon. That's funny. No, this means that nature is healing. You've reached the utopia universe. You have reached. This is the bad hell coming. They're not making another one, I assume. But it'd be so funny if they did have Arnie come in as like a scientist who, you know, Dr. Freeze, who's like helping, you know, modern elderly Clooney with whatever. I'd just be like, yes. Have him say it, pun. Just one. Just one. And I'll be happy. Hey, you cool guy. I think you're pretty cool. I used to meet you. Have a cool day. Yeah, sorry. If anyone didn't catch that, George Clooney shows up. He's Bruce at the end. Yeah. Obviously just a fun cameo. This movie needs to fucking die and never come back. And then after that shows up in the post credit scene drunk and then that's it. Which pissed off a lot of Aquaman fans. Arnie needs to be worried about where his friend is. Well, I get. Yeah, I mean, yeah. But where's my friend? Where's my my quasi father figure? But I tell you what, where is the flash of this universe? Where's the flash? I exist in the back. I believe you. Yeah. Where's the flash for me? Well, they just pretend that this is now his time. They can't pretend that. George fucking Clooney is here. No, I'm existed. So many people. Oh, no. That's so dude imagined in this universe. He's like, wait, so Zod didn't take over. And Clooney's like, no, me and freeze took him out. Literally, the ship arrived and freeze fired his ice laser at the ship and it just crashed. Well, the cryptons, the ice age. Get off my planet. Well, maybe George Clooney hopped over independently of Barry and is just gaslighting Barry into thinking that he's from that universe, you know, as part of his scheme to do something. It's literally George Clooney in that universe and Ben Affleck Batman hired him to trick Barry for the fun of it. Yeah. Gonna be a lesson for Barry. He's talking about Barry. It's me. Like, of course, everything's fine. You didn't change anything, did you? Not this time. Flash is like. By the way, what was the after credit scene? Because I just left to send him out. Aquaman was right. There was Aquaman sleeps in a dirty puddle. OK, cool. And I don't know if that takes place. Like, if Barry found a way to get back to, you know, the original timeline or if this is Aquaman and the Batman of Robin World. And I imagine that Aquaman, too, is not going to address these questions. Oh, that's still around. Fuck. Yeah, that's coming out. That's the last DCEU film. That's the end. Can I kill myself after that? It's going to be the end for me, too. Oh, no, no. We have an entirely new DCEU to tackle after this. It really is a brave and boring thing. James kind of said this film was great. Liar. Yes. Liar, liar, liar. No, he's just getting all of his lies out of the way so that it's truth from here on out. I don't know, man. It feels like what the fuck. That's how it works. You thought this movie was good. Just like, conclusion thought. It's like, what an abysmal fucking disaster that's just actually insulting. It's a one out of 10. It's a one out of 10. Probably, yeah. It's a one out of 10. Yeah. There is no character that's not making retarded decisions at any point in this film. Exactly. And it breaks time and space. Well, and Keen Batman was annihilated most of the time. He is not himself. He has some weird caricature that's kind of flow on the screen. Downright disgusting cameos. This is the worst it's ever gotten. Yeah, it's a really, yeah, cynical movie. Yeah. Every part of it is just crumpled. Again, it really just didn't feel like it was revised. It felt like they rushed something. They just wrote something, had something on paper, and then shot it. To try and draw some kind of thematic through line, you might end up saying, sometimes the world just has to burn. Are you like, what? What do you mean, that's what they're here for? That was. Sometimes. Which is so weird. Sometimes you just have to accept that the world is going to be conquered by aliens and terraformed and everything that you love and know if you're unexistent anyway is going to die again. So, yeah. Just really frustrating because I think the thematic element of just learning to live in the presence or to be okay with the way things are instead of wanting to go back and change things constantly. Yeah, that's the Multiverse of Madness theme. Yeah. It's unbelievable to me because at least Multiverse of Madness's cameos had, they had more reason to exist for longer in that thing. They just don't because it was fucked up. But like in this, it's so gross, like it's so pathetic and thin and just so blatant. Exactly what they want. People are going to look back at this little clump of movies and they're going to say, oh yeah, remember back in like 2020 or whatever, you know, when they made those shitty like Multiverse movies and that was all the rage and that's just they just, they really tried to cash in on all that shit and every movie was a damn Multiverse movie. Yeah, that's sucked. I'm so glad we grew out of that and learned our lesson. Like a damn back time. And then you get told like, don't worry, the DCU is heading for a full reboot and you're like, oh, thank gosh. Well, I don't even know what that means though now. Like I actually don't because he's directing the Batman movie. Would it be if I have to wonder how Snyder vs. Fads feel doing this is the cap off to the series? Uh, I mean, I'm sure that, but I mean, like what a shit show this whole thing was, what a, what a mistake it was, what an embarrassment it was, what damage it did to DC as a brand, all this was. Uh, I mean, I don't know. I was, I was pretty fond of, obviously, uh, Batman DC Remain and the, uh, that's okay. I mean, like, all I'm saying is this is sucked. Yeah, really bad. Well, so what I'm gathering is there are very few people who think anything positive about this film. And even they are like, well, it's mainly the key Batman, or it's mainly the action scenes, you know. I've seen people compliment the relationship between Flash and his mum, but even that, I think is thin as hell. Yeah. Mainly the production, I imagine. I'm going to assume I speak for everyone here when I say, not really recommending this one. I don't recommend this one. No, I don't. I'm going to take out a bit of it. Like, I'm not comfortable from it. You might want to get a restraining order against this film. I really liked, I think I actually started to like it once it was the two Berries and Michael Keaton's Batman going to Siberia. I don't know. I thought that whole sequence I found relatively enjoyable. Were the most fun I had was that area? Yeah. And it's, it's more so because I get to see Batman be competent and. Oh, it's heavily loaded because of Batman. Yeah. Batman just kind of watching him, you know, fight some guards and stuff with his gadgets. It was just kind of like, oh, look at that. This is fun. I'll, I'll look at the clip of this later and nothing else. That's it. That's what we did. Yeah, people are going to, people aren't going to talk about this movie in two weeks. If not long. Are we going to fail? It's probably going to fail. It might be picked as the representative of this era, though, this one. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is a valid choice. I still, I mean, there's a multi-verse and Madden is still. People like that a lot more than they like this, I think. I know that we rate it lower, but still. No, but yeah, I, yeah. Man, what a time. We, we look like a couple of movies. They're like, or at least two was like, yeah, that's a one out of 10. It's like, damn, now we're looking at what is the stronger one. It's like, what the fucks happens? Yeah, go hard or go home. Jesus Christ. One or a 10. At least we have Gollum to play these days. So that's cool. Well, that's the thing games for every Gollum we get, they give us a resume for remakes. It's like, okay, thank you with films. It's like, well, give us a sec. Or for every multiverse of madness you get, you get to the flash. Yeah. Give us something that follows the rules. Just a little bit. Give me a three out of 10 once in a while to recuperate. That'd be nice. Yeah. Well, hey, we don't have to talk about the flash ever again. Oh, hooray. Fuck the flash. Well, maybe you don't. Oh, right. Yeah. Sorry. Bell's Forge is tomorrow for today, I guess. Well, you've got some practice now. You know what to do. You know what to talk about. I'll be on that one too. Have so much. The fun only continues. Fun on the bun, as they say. I figure we start with, I should have probably introduced you, but I just just wanted to get going with it and have some fun. Hopefully you had fun as well. I was just kind of like, Colin Sanders, as I meant there. I don't introduce me more Mel because those guys are hanging around here a whole bunch of weirdos. Oh. But thank you for joining us. For those who don't even remember or know, the last we interacted with you, I believe was regarding the DCEU. Probably like how long ago was it? I don't know. Numbers are hard. Maths is problems you can't solve, I learned from this. Oh, here. Here we go, maybe. Well, I don't know if this fits in with the, you can't wait to make videos talking about this underlying meaning in this that can maybe boost it up a little bit, the flash, or if maybe you're gonna make a video that you fucking hate it. Either way, it was fun talking to you about it and we appreciate you coming on. Thank you. Absolutely. You bet. Oh yes, there is definitely probably going to be a video on this. Yeah, well, so you want to tell people who are listening, what you're up to and why they should check out your channel. I'll pop the link in chat and it's in the description as well. Should work. I did give it an update. Yeah, sure. Yeah, nothing too fancy. My channel is in the description, I believe, yes. And I primarily do video essays in short films. I just finished a short film, went through some festivals. I'm pretty proud of it. I'm gonna put it on my channel in July. I've got obviously the flash video essays coming and also a Pirates of the Caribbean video essay. I'm gonna dive into the writing and characters from those movies. So I very much enjoy them. I'm just like excluding the fourth and fifth movie. But yeah, if you're interested in that, give me a little click. A little click. A little click around. A little clickeroni. Oh yeah, you gotta, like I said, links are all there and he's covered plenty of topics that you guys are interested in. So give a look see if you have any interest. And again, thank you so much. Moving on to our next lad. Meme repost story, what are you up to? What are you doing? What are you doing? You'll, what are you doing? What's up there? What's going on? Currently streaming Shadow, we've moved on from Mordor and going on to Shadow of War. So that's the thing. And people are really desperate for me to play Golem. So we'll see. Oh gosh. I love it. That is your kind of game. Oh yeah, I can already tell. But yeah, just keeping on, keeping on editing EFAP TV at the moment. Yeah, just figure and slowly trying to figure out what my next video is going to be. I want to do something maybe just nice and short, just to ease back into it. But we'll see what happens when the stars line up. It'll end up being about Golem now. It'll be about Golem, the unappreciated masterpiece of a generation. But yeah, that's me at the moment. Wow, sweet. Obviously, I think you've actually had a pretty familiar with you. But if not, links are all there. Yeah. Metal. What are you doing on the day of Tomorrow that relates to the video? Tomorrow. What we're doing right now. Because I love this movie so much. I'm going to talk about it again. Normally I try to do these on Fridays, but because of time fleams, we moved it to the Sunday. And then maybe she was like, you want to join? It was like, fine. And now I'm here. So yeah, this is going to be covered tomorrow. Also did some coverage of Spondovers. We talked a little bit about that last week. So we want to check that out. If you haven't seen any coverage on that, we got you covered last week. So yeah, tomorrow is going to be Meme, James Moore and me. We're going to be talking about this movie. If you want to watch us again, come hang out. It's going to be good stuff. Good times, fun times. If you want to see my Gollum playthrough, that is now also on the Moodle channel, on the Archive channel. That's not linked down below, but just look for Moodle. You'll find the Archive channel. That's in there with a in the playlist and everything for your convenience to watch. Plenty of pain and anguish. Yeah, to enjoy. There's lots of, lots of basically all of my playthroughs since I started that Archive channel. You can just check them out. I put them in playlists. You can pop them on and then you can just yeah, watch them. But if you're all right. I'm going to say all your playthroughs are pain and anguish. And I was like, oh, I mean, depends on the game. Well, yeah, probably going to, I'm going to be playing Final Fantasy XVI next week when that comes out. I'm probably going to go order a copy of that. Because I quite like the demo. People have been going crazy about that game. I'm just a little more cautious, you know, we started off the story. It's all right. I've been liking it, but everyone needs to calm down a little bit. All right. Two hours of game. It's the intro. Calm down. All right. I'm going to be the spicy boy here. Just calm down. All right. It's the start. You don't know anything yet. But I'll be playing it because I've been enjoying it quite a bit though. And yeah, and then just working away on the video. I do that. Speaking of which, bringing in Rags, was there anything you guys wanted to say? I got some stuff lined up. I may have something done tomorrow for Dogmines. I'm not sure. Depends on how I feel after I am. Can I rest up today? No, I got no tomorrow is tomorrow's Father's Day. So yeah, I don't know. There was going to be a, yeah, maybe Monday then, playing for it coming up Monday. I try to get a few things out this week other than that. But yeah, big video progress, you know, crawls forward, getting worked on piece by piece. It'll be out, you know, one day. But until then, no real updates. I'm just working. That's it. Work at work at work. Which, yeah, is exactly what I'm doing as well. You know, things taking form. And I look forward to being able to maybe show a screenshot at some point of something to imply what may be on the way, but it's still in its infancy, you see. Not reach the age of adulthood where it can jump onto the internet and say hello. But it will eventually. An important aspect slash update of what's happening soon is that we're going to have to organize something for the upcoming EFAP on the 24th. We might have one that's pre-recorded or it might be a skipped week. It's one of those, too. Because we are not going to be one of the two weeks that Mr. Rags is not going to be able to join us. And therefore, we will not be able to be doing a live as per usual. But that's all right. We got plenty of things that are probably going to happen. And then I believe the following week will indeed be the dial of destiny. Which everyone is looking forward to, I believe. That's just that's what a great movie already kind of something that everyone wants to see and enjoy. So yes, that's what you can expect in the upcoming. But for tonight, for to now, as they say, we'll simply bid you all adieu. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. Hope you had a good evening. Hope you enjoyed us talking about whatever this was. They call it a movie. I don't know. I think that's a bit generous. In any case, good night. And goodbye. We shall Wednesdays for Super Chat catch ups will be released. And we will make sure to hit all of them. Don't you worry. Yes, goodbye for now. And good night. Good bye, everybody. Bye.